What is Truth? with Firas Zahabi (2022-02-26) ​

0:00:02 hello everyone and welcome to blogging
0:00:04 theology today i am delighted to talk to
0:00:08 phiris zahabi you are most welcome sir
0:00:13 thank you very much happy to be here i
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0:00:29 pharas for those few who don't know who
0:00:31 he might be is the head trainer of the
0:00:33 tristar gym in montreal in canada which
0:00:36 apparently is completely snowed under at
0:00:38 the moment um
0:00:39 um
0:00:40 yeah um you attended as you know called
0:00:43 uh concordia university uh where he
0:00:45 graduated with a degree in philosophy
0:00:48 with a specialization in the ancient
0:00:50 greeks and boy does it show that you
0:00:52 graduated in philosophy i must say
0:00:55 you've got a huge following on social
0:00:58 media um you can look him up on twitter
0:01:01 youtube and instagram and there's lots
0:01:04 of amazing videos and podcasts featuring
0:01:06 you now
0:01:08 you've recently he gained much respect
0:01:10 not least from myself for your brilliant
0:01:12 destruction of stephen fry's complaining
0:01:15 and insulting god argument on the dean
0:01:19 show which is a must watch if you
0:01:21 haven't already seen it i'm really
0:01:23 serious it's very very good today pharas
0:01:26 will be discussing a very important
0:01:29 question
0:01:30 what is truth
0:01:33 what is true so what is it
0:01:36 that's one monstrous question
0:01:39 and you know instead of going to the
0:01:40 formal theories of truth you know we
0:01:42 have uh
0:01:44 correspondence theory pragmatism we have
0:01:46 of course um
0:01:48 a coherence theory
0:01:49 yeah it might be
0:01:51 we're gonna try to do it in a bit of a
0:01:52 funner way now i wanted to say that
0:01:55 yes i've studied greek philosophy but
0:01:56 i've also studied muslim philosophy and
0:01:58 british empiricism and i've
0:02:00 studied 2000 years of human thinking wow
0:02:03 for the last 20 years and i will tell
0:02:05 you i i study about
0:02:07 two to five hours a day on a regular
0:02:09 basis i'm a martial arts expert that's
0:02:10 what i do for a living eight hours a day
0:02:12 but after that in my free time
0:02:14 it's really always science history logic
0:02:17 philosophy you know so i'm constantly
0:02:20 studying this topic for the last 20
0:02:21 years so
0:02:22 um i'm gonna try to i'm gonna try to
0:02:24 verbalize it or put it in a way that's
0:02:26 uh a little bit more
0:02:28 palatable you know i think that's the
0:02:29 goal you know because
0:02:31 philosophy could be boring if you do it
0:02:33 formal like formal logic could be quite
0:02:35 boring
0:02:36 quite stale
0:02:37 so let's start with the thought
0:02:39 experiment okay so first thing i'm going
0:02:41 to do here is i'm going to grab a pen
0:02:42 here
0:02:43 okay paul
0:02:44 and i'm going to draw on my hand here
0:02:46 i'm going to show you what i'm drawing
0:02:48 my hand i'm going to draw here
0:02:50 a squared circle now i'm not drawing a
0:02:52 square and a circle
0:02:54 i'm drawing on the other side of my hand
0:02:56 you can't see paul okay i've drawn one
0:02:58 shape it's a single shape it's a square
0:03:01 and it's a circle at the same time okay
0:03:04 do you believe do you believe
0:03:06 that on the other side of my hand there
0:03:08 is a squared circle
0:03:09 uh no
0:03:11 no but why you haven't seen the other
0:03:13 side of my hand
0:03:14 because i i know enough about the
0:03:16 properties of squares and circles to
0:03:18 know that they are mutually incompatible
0:03:20 when it comes to presenting them
0:03:21 together as a single object
0:03:23 exactly there's no square circle
0:03:25 actually it'll be impossible for me to
0:03:26 draw you pretty much
0:03:28 okay yeah so you see you knew without
0:03:31 even looking that's called analytical
0:03:33 that's an analytical fact yeah
0:03:36 you know i try to convince my wife that
0:03:38 a man can be both married and a bachelor
0:03:42 she disagrees she's not formally trained
0:03:45 in logic she disagrees with me
0:03:47 now unfortunately she's correct
0:03:49 you cannot both be married and a
0:03:52 bachelor would you agree
0:03:54 no has there ever been a married
0:03:55 bachelor in history
0:03:57 no that hasn't by definition they
0:03:59 couldn't be
0:04:00 they couldn't be correct so this is what
0:04:02 we call analytical facts yep it's a fact
0:04:04 that a square a circle cannot there's no
0:04:08 squared circle actually if every human
0:04:10 being dies
0:04:12 and the universe implodes and the
0:04:14 universe is there will still be no
0:04:15 squared circles
0:04:17 actually before human beings ever
0:04:18 existed there were no squared circles
0:04:20 it's an eternal transcendent truth if
0:04:23 you were in a coma and you were dreaming
0:04:24 there would still be no squirt circles
0:04:26 in your dreams
0:04:28 if you discover
0:04:30 an alien civilization
0:04:32 trillions of light years away
0:04:34 there are still no squared circles and
0:04:36 we're certain of it these are analytical
0:04:37 truths
0:04:38 and unfortunately there are still no
0:04:40 unmarried bachelors there are no married
0:04:42 bachelors okay
0:04:44 this is what we call the law of
0:04:45 non-contradiction aristotle taught us
0:04:47 look there's this thing called the law
0:04:48 of non-contradiction
0:04:50 it cannot the proposition cannot both be
0:04:52 true and false at the same time it has
0:04:54 to be one or the other
0:04:56 it can't be both a square and a circle
0:04:58 it's analytically true
0:05:00 now paul if i tell you look i'm drawing
0:05:02 on this side of my hand a flamingo
0:05:06 do you believe me
0:05:08 um in principle it's certainly possible
0:05:10 yes it's certainly possible it could be
0:05:13 it could not be okay i didn't want to
0:05:15 draw in my hand sorry for lying you to
0:05:17 paul i apologize for deceiving you
0:05:19 it's that's a contingent fact that's an
0:05:22 inductive fact that's an inductive
0:05:23 belief so we have math and biology let's
0:05:26 put it in two simple uh categories math
0:05:29 was true before me and you were born and
0:05:31 it's going to be true after me and
0:05:32 you're born flamingos may or may not
0:05:34 exist after me and you expire
0:05:37 humanity may expire and flamingos go on
0:05:40 and they may not it's contingent we
0:05:41 don't know we have to go out into the
0:05:43 world and see you ask me look i don't
0:05:45 know it could be yes it could be no
0:05:47 you'd have to flip your hand around and
0:05:48 go and see it that's what we call
0:05:50 we call contingent it's a contingent
0:05:52 truth okay now analytical truths we use
0:05:56 deductive reasoning
0:05:57 so think math yep and then you have
0:06:00 inductive truths think biology
0:06:03 is it the case that all frogs can swim
0:06:06 well it's not a mathematical it's not a
0:06:08 squared circle question it's not a
0:06:09 married bachelor question
0:06:11 it could be that all frogs swim and it
0:06:13 could be that some frogs don't swim
0:06:16 aristotle had to go out into the wild he
0:06:18 had to study every frog
0:06:20 and after seeing a thousand frogs and he
0:06:22 said all these thousand frogs can swim
0:06:24 do you think it's time now to generalize
0:06:26 that all frogs can swim
0:06:28 i'm not confident enough a thousand is
0:06:30 not enough maybe ten thousand maybe a
0:06:32 hundred thousand maybe i go and i meet
0:06:34 another uh scientist from across the
0:06:36 world and he says all the frogs i've
0:06:38 observed also all can swim and i share
0:06:40 notes with the scientific community and
0:06:42 we all come together and we say look
0:06:43 does anybody ever see a frog that
0:06:44 doesn't swim and we all say no they all
0:06:47 can swim
0:06:49 so inductive reasoning again biology
0:06:51 contingent things
0:06:53 they're always predicated on a
0:06:54 generalization we go from specific to
0:06:57 generalization
0:06:58 now we're going to say look me and my
0:07:00 scientists scientific friends we're
0:07:01 starting to be really confident that all
0:07:03 frogs can swim
0:07:06 all right we're going to write it down
0:07:07 in this book we're going to write down
0:07:08 here all frogs can swim we're going to
0:07:10 print it in the textbook we're going to
0:07:11 send it out to the universities
0:07:13 everybody now is going to read that all
0:07:15 frogs can swim it's an inductive fact
0:07:17 it's not a
0:07:18 mathematical fact it's not a
0:07:21 a priori fact like a squared circle like
0:07:24 we talked about this square has to have
0:07:26 four sides
0:07:28 if it has three sides it cannot be a
0:07:29 square okay so it's not analytical
0:07:32 it's inductive it's contingent
0:07:35 now it could happen in the future
0:07:38 that there's a species of frogs
0:07:40 that don't swim you know i once went to
0:07:42 a pet shop to buy a
0:07:44 turtle for my kids and there was a
0:07:45 species of turtle that they had that
0:07:46 doesn't swim and i was shocked i thought
0:07:48 that all turtles can swim no they told
0:07:51 me this one you cannot put him in a body
0:07:52 of water because i wanted to buy him an
0:07:53 aquarium they're like no no no no he'll
0:07:55 drown like a turtle there could be it's
0:07:59 not illogical that in the future there's
0:08:01 a species of frogs that doesn't swim
0:08:03 now we become
0:08:04 it becomes problematic because are we
0:08:06 still gonna name that a frog are we
0:08:08 gonna still us
0:08:09 are we still going to label that animal
0:08:11 as a frog
0:08:13 or has it become that it's a
0:08:14 prerequisite for it to be a frog it has
0:08:16 to know how it has to now be able to
0:08:19 swim so for instance we can call it a
0:08:21 toad or some other name we can come up
0:08:23 with a new name for it because we can
0:08:24 say look it's like a frog but not quite
0:08:26 because it doesn't swim
0:08:28 who says who draws the line here these
0:08:30 are inductive truths that are often
0:08:33 defined by the most influential thinkers
0:08:36 in our society
0:08:38 now the fatal flaw of inductive it's
0:08:40 called the inductive problem in
0:08:41 philosophy is that
0:08:42 when we're when we're doing
0:08:44 inductive logic we're always
0:08:46 generalizing
0:08:49 we're always generalizing we're looking
0:08:50 at a specific number of of um
0:08:54 of uh we're taking a we're taking a
0:08:56 certain number of frogs and then we're
0:08:58 generalizing that idea to all frogs okay
0:09:00 so we never have the totality of
0:09:02 evidence to be certain that all frogs
0:09:05 can swim i would have to know i would
0:09:07 have to observe every frog that ever
0:09:09 existed and ever will exist
0:09:12 now there are other problems to the
0:09:13 problem of induction but we'll leave it
0:09:14 there that's quite a bit already
0:09:16 however it's
0:09:18 mathematical truths
0:09:21 if all men are mortal see we started
0:09:23 with a general proposition
0:09:25 all men are mortal not some all
0:09:28 and socrates is a man therefore socrates
0:09:31 is mortal if it's true that all men are
0:09:33 mortal
0:09:34 and if it's true that socrates is a man
0:09:36 there could be no other possibility if
0:09:39 you brought in a thousand logicians they
0:09:40 would all write the same conclusion
0:09:43 if it is true
0:09:44 that all men are mortal and it is true
0:09:46 that socrates is a man then it could be
0:09:48 no other way he must be mortal
0:09:52 this is math versus biology okay now all
0:09:55 these truths are spoken about in the
0:09:56 quran we'll circle to that later
0:09:59 one truth is more certain than the other
0:10:02 mathematical truths are more certain
0:10:04 than inductive truth contingent truths
0:10:08 now let's go one rung below one rung
0:10:10 below is
0:10:12 historical truths now i hear a lot of
0:10:14 debates online i listen to quite a lot
0:10:15 of debates and it's amazing to me that
0:10:18 people still don't understand
0:10:22 and very intelligent interlocutors are
0:10:24 discussing historical truth historical
0:10:27 truths mean nothing
0:10:31 what happened to jfk do you know what
0:10:33 happened to jfk
0:10:34 how was he killed specifically
0:10:36 nobody knows what happened to jfk
0:10:38 exactly and we had video cameras
0:10:41 thousands of witnesses
0:10:44 you know on the grassy knoll there was a
0:10:46 man holding an umbrella and one of the
0:10:48 theories was that the man with the
0:10:49 umbrella had a
0:10:51 using the umbrella hiding a gun in the
0:10:53 umbrella shot jfk
0:10:56 now that man later came out and said no
0:10:58 i'm the man with the umbrella and he
0:10:59 says i was protesting
0:11:01 i was protesting against jfk and i
0:11:03 decided to open an umbrella on a sunny
0:11:05 day very strange thing a man opening an
0:11:07 umbrella on the grassy knoll on a sunny
0:11:09 day now some people still today believe
0:11:11 that no that guy's lying he came out
0:11:13 just to basically hide in plain sight
0:11:16 some people think there were three shots
0:11:18 fired some people think there were two
0:11:19 shots fired some people think it's
0:11:20 impossible i'm forgetting his name now
0:11:22 forgive me i just finished practice
0:11:24 but um the man that was uh be harvey was
0:11:27 old lee harvey
0:11:29 you know he was he was killed
0:11:30 immediately soon after he was
0:11:31 assassinated soon after
0:11:33 some people believe that it wasn't even
0:11:35 him that there's so many possibilities 9
0:11:38 11
0:11:39 is a highly documented event
0:11:43 the firemen that were on site said
0:11:46 now i don't believe this okay
0:11:48 so please no no conspiracy theories i
0:11:49 don't they said they heard bombs
0:11:52 when the building was coming down they
0:11:53 heard bombs
0:11:55 they heard explosions now i think it
0:11:57 could be and i don't want to delve into
0:11:59 conspiracy theories here i don't know
0:12:00 what happened on 911. it could be that
0:12:02 there were bombs and it could be that it
0:12:03 was just one floor hitting into another
0:12:05 yeah now they say no it was falling at
0:12:08 free fall speeds there are many
0:12:09 arguments yeah
0:12:11 we still don't know it's a historical
0:12:13 fact 911 is a historical fact not a
0:12:15 scientific fact it's a historical effect
0:12:18 911 there was a building 7 collapsed
0:12:21 people till today's argue over what
0:12:23 happened to building seven
0:12:25 now to make it a scientific fact we
0:12:27 would have to repeat the process all
0:12:29 over you know as a morbid idea as it is
0:12:31 now of course we wouldn't use human
0:12:32 beings i'm i'm talking about
0:12:34 colliding a a jet robotically of course
0:12:37 into a empty building and seeing will
0:12:39 the building fall will there why how
0:12:41 would you explain what people think they
0:12:43 heard
0:12:46 you cannot repeat
0:12:48 ancient history there are too many
0:12:50 unknown variables ancient history is
0:12:52 full of biases and mysteries when the
0:12:55 quran tells you and we all those who say
0:12:57 they know what happened to christ
0:12:59 aren't full of doubt
0:13:00 allah is telling you that historical
0:13:04 facts you know historians say oh it's a
0:13:07 fact that jesus was crucified yeah
0:13:09 historical fact which is the weakest
0:13:10 type of fact
0:13:13 how many historical facts are untrue
0:13:16 many over time will be overturned new
0:13:18 evidence tomorrow we can have new
0:13:20 evidence that overturns what happened in
0:13:22 jfk you know for instance i'll give you
0:13:23 a great for instance uh
0:13:25 uh
0:13:26 uh bonaparte oh yeah
0:13:28 uh
0:13:30 what's his first name again i can't
0:13:31 believe i'm freaking out
0:13:32 napoleon border parts excuse me i'm blow
0:13:34 blood sugar i just finished wrestling
0:13:35 for three hours
0:13:37 napoleon bonaparte
0:13:39 after i don't know how many hundreds of
0:13:41 years he was dead they sold his hair to
0:13:44 one uh there's a collector of a
0:13:45 bonaparte uh
0:13:47 a famous collector he loves uh napoleon
0:13:49 bonaparte collects everything about
0:13:50 napoleon bonaparte he bought his hair in
0:13:52 an auction he bought napoleon's hair in
0:13:53 an awkward macabre yeah
0:13:55 and then they tested his hair and they
0:13:56 found out hey you know he was poisoned
0:13:58 rewrite history
0:14:00 napoleon bonaparte was poisoned he
0:14:03 didn't die from uh from a malady no no
0:14:05 no no this was a little deliberate
0:14:06 assassination now
0:14:08 is it napoleon's hair i don't know do
0:14:10 you know were you there when they cut it
0:14:12 these are things that are they're always
0:14:14 question marks and unknown variables
0:14:17 history
0:14:18 history is written by the champions
0:14:21 history
0:14:22 let me ask you something uh
0:14:24 uh paul what is a rumor a rumor
0:14:27 is an unverified belief
0:14:32 history is full of rumors you know they
0:14:34 did a study on twitter rumors spread
0:14:36 faster than truths
0:14:39 just because it's widely held and widely
0:14:41 believed
0:14:42 doesn't make it a scientific fact or a
0:14:45 logical fact you earlier knew that i
0:14:47 didn't draw a squared circle
0:14:49 you earlier said hey it may be a
0:14:51 flamingo on your hand may not be
0:14:54 a historical historical fact is even
0:14:56 lower than that a historical fact is
0:15:00 almost meaningless if you want me to
0:15:02 base my beliefs on his on history
0:15:05 you're asking me if if you're telling me
0:15:07 you know
0:15:08 the quran is telling you
0:15:11 base your religion on the most secure
0:15:14 and trustworthy thing and we're going to
0:15:16 get to it we haven't even gotten to it
0:15:17 yet
0:15:18 not on the loosest weakest
0:15:22 if you build your faith on something
0:15:24 weak you know
0:15:25 descartes said it beautifully he said
0:15:26 look if i'm building an itzy fist a
0:15:27 building i'm building a structure
0:15:30 the first foundational block
0:15:33 must be indestructible yeah
0:15:35 if i build an it's
0:15:37 a structure up high to the sky if the
0:15:40 first block is not the strongest it'll
0:15:42 collapse once there's a crack in the
0:15:43 foundation the whole thing will come
0:15:45 down
0:15:47 we have to find an undoubtable truth we
0:15:50 have to have contact with naked truth
0:15:53 direct contact with truth islam is about
0:15:55 direct contact with truth we're going to
0:15:58 talk we're going to get slowly there
0:16:00 in the bible paul tells us
0:16:02 if christ didn't die
0:16:04 and wasn't resurrected your faith is in
0:16:06 vain all your prayers all your
0:16:08 sacrifices all your fasting
0:16:10 throw it by the wayside now i think it's
0:16:12 technically wrong there okay but that's
0:16:14 a different topic now
0:16:16 he's telling you look you have to figure
0:16:18 out what happened to jesus christ 2000
0:16:20 years ago
0:16:21 this is what we call abduction you know
0:16:23 sherlock holmes you guys are big
0:16:24 sherlock holmes fans i assume i don't
0:16:26 want to go
0:16:27 here i don't want to journalize here but
0:16:29 i live just down the road in baker
0:16:30 street he's just a mile away from down
0:16:32 the road
0:16:34 he's using abduction sherlock holmes
0:16:37 now sherlock holmes might walk into a
0:16:39 room and say look i know the murderer
0:16:40 weapon is in that second drawer right
0:16:41 there how does he know well he looked
0:16:43 around the room he deduced certain
0:16:44 things this is abduction now and he says
0:16:46 look at murder weapons is the second
0:16:48 drawer and the butler did it you know
0:16:50 how it works right you're quite familiar
0:16:52 with shoulder crops absolutely you're
0:16:53 asking me now to use abduction now
0:16:56 abduction is even lower
0:16:59 it's even lower than induction
0:17:01 you're asking me to found my beliefs on
0:17:05 something weak the quran is telling you
0:17:07 no
0:17:09 go back to the fitra go back to the
0:17:11 natural disposition the natural religion
0:17:13 now i'll tell you something there are
0:17:15 people who believe in god i don't
0:17:16 believe in god i know god my i've went
0:17:18 from belief to certainty
0:17:21 and every muslim and you can't be muslim
0:17:23 with belief that's okay it's halal it's
0:17:25 not wrong you're a believer
0:17:26 we talk about what believer means
0:17:28 actually
0:17:31 because i'll tell you anyway that's a
0:17:33 different type i don't want to go into
0:17:33 tangent but
0:17:35 you can get to knowledge
0:17:37 naked truth direct knowledge
0:17:39 so we said there's mathematical facts
0:17:42 i'm i'm using math here as a
0:17:44 as an analogy okay
0:17:47 we we say the word analytic or a priori
0:17:49 then a posteriori or contingent truths
0:17:52 or a sin a pro a synthetic a priori
0:17:56 statement
0:17:57 but we're not we're not going to go down
0:17:59 the area that's a different topic
0:18:01 topic interesting topic but a different
0:18:02 one yeah i want to keep it simple
0:18:04 crystal clear that's the goal here to
0:18:05 keep the crystal
0:18:07 crystal crystal clear
0:18:09 and then we have these historical truths
0:18:12 basically you get to do the scientific
0:18:13 experiment but you never get to observe
0:18:15 it directly and you can never repeat it
0:18:17 don't forget history
0:18:19 excuse me science
0:18:22 when you ask when you put a room of
0:18:23 philosophers elite philosophers in the
0:18:25 room
0:18:26 philosophers of science you put them in
0:18:27 a room and you ask them what is this
0:18:29 thing called science what is this thing
0:18:31 natural science what is it we all agree
0:18:34 at the end
0:18:36 that science
0:18:38 and i challenge anybody in the world
0:18:40 any phd in the philosophy of science
0:18:44 challenged me to say what i'm about to
0:18:45 say next is incorrect i challenge
0:18:47 anybody in the world not the layman on
0:18:49 the side who's read a book or two no no
0:18:51 bring me a phd to disagree with me
0:18:54 bring me a world-class philosopher of
0:18:56 science and you tell me what i'm about
0:18:58 to say next is wrong i'm going to give
0:19:00 you a proposition and this proposition
0:19:02 we have consensus we have consensus all
0:19:05 of us agree
0:19:06 all of us all elite philosophers this is
0:19:08 what we call small circle philosophy
0:19:09 only the elite
0:19:11 thinkers got to this level most of them
0:19:12 they got they like philosophy to a
0:19:14 certain degree they never went to they
0:19:15 never got to black belt they never got
0:19:17 to this level okay this is what we call
0:19:18 small circle
0:19:22 science
0:19:23 is the faith
0:19:24 that the future will behave like the
0:19:26 past
0:19:27 science is a type of faith
0:19:30 that the future
0:19:31 will behave like the past
0:19:34 the inventor of the scientific method
0:19:36 the modern scientific method
0:19:40 excuse me
0:19:41 my blood sugars though um
0:19:46 yes i i know you mean as well i've
0:19:48 forgotten his name as well
0:19:49 uh
0:20:01 excuse me
0:20:02 here are the parameters here's how i did
0:20:04 it here was my hypothesis here's the
0:20:06 test i try to remove all subjectivity
0:20:08 here's the test it's repeatable you see
0:20:10 for yourself he famously wrote see for
0:20:12 yourself that means you could do it at
0:20:14 home yourself in your lab
0:20:17 verify what i did
0:20:19 yeah and we observe nature nature has
0:20:22 these patterns and regularities
0:20:25 and we say look we've noticed these
0:20:26 patterns and regularities and we predict
0:20:28 that it will happen again in the future
0:20:31 that's what science is science boils
0:20:33 down to the faith
0:20:35 that the future will depend will behave
0:20:38 like the past
0:20:40 i challenge anybody in the world to tell
0:20:42 me that this is not the foundation
0:20:44 of
0:20:45 science now for instance
0:20:48 you see the sun rise every morning and
0:20:49 you see it set every night yes or no yes
0:20:52 and you've seen that so many times and
0:20:54 now you have a faith that tomorrow it
0:20:55 will rise and tomorrow it will set and
0:20:57 you've never seen it any other way yep
0:21:00 you have this faith
0:21:02 this regularity is so
0:21:05 automatic it's so
0:21:07 believed because your ancestors saw it
0:21:09 also and it never changed
0:21:11 and it's such a it's such an easy thing
0:21:14 to believe because nobody questions it
0:21:15 tomorrow will be just another day where
0:21:17 the sun rises
0:21:18 now suppose
0:21:20 you have all your faculties but i erase
0:21:21 your memory i erase your memory about
0:21:24 sunrises and sunsets everything else
0:21:27 about you is the same
0:21:28 tomorrow when you wake up and you see
0:21:30 the sun rise you're going to be shocked
0:21:31 you're going to be amazed and when
0:21:33 you're going to see it set you're going
0:21:34 to be amazed
0:21:35 and then after a few hundred
0:21:38 cycles you'll be like hey it's just
0:21:39 another day
0:21:40 i expect it to rise tomorrow and i
0:21:42 expect it to set
0:21:43 there is no logical necessity for it to
0:21:46 rise and set this is also in the quran
0:21:48 the quran tells you see the night and
0:21:50 the day the cycle of night and day for
0:21:52 those who think there's a sign in there
0:21:54 for you
0:21:56 because ultimately and i'm going to make
0:21:58 this point later inshallah
0:22:00 all
0:22:02 beliefs
0:22:03 all either analytical or contingent the
0:22:06 ones we talked about math and biology
0:22:08 are all a type of
0:22:11 religious faith
0:22:12 truth is a religious experience i'm
0:22:14 going to get to that in a little bit
0:22:16 naked truth
0:22:18 is a type of religious experience like
0:22:20 it or not that's why i always tell
0:22:21 people there's no such thing as an
0:22:22 atheist i don't believe in all atheists
0:22:24 have a god all of them
0:22:26 if you sit me in a room with an atheist
0:22:28 and let me cross-examine him i will find
0:22:30 you what god he believes in
0:22:32 so for instance i asked him like you
0:22:34 know what's the process of these cycles
0:22:36 they're going to say nature now when i
0:22:37 say nature
0:22:39 i'm asking you is nature a thing out
0:22:41 there no nature look if i ask you what
0:22:43 is nature you're gonna say look look at
0:22:45 that rose over there
0:22:47 that's nature okay well if i kill all if
0:22:49 i destroy all roses in the world is
0:22:51 nature destroyed you're gonna say no
0:22:52 nature is also that river it's also the
0:22:54 water cycle it's also the stars in the
0:22:56 sky it's also
0:22:59 what's in the earth it's also how the
0:23:01 volcanic
0:23:02 cycles
0:23:04 the word nature is just a way for us
0:23:07 it's what we call a philosophy it's a
0:23:08 universal it's a way for us to address
0:23:11 the collective of things
0:23:12 it's made of particular things i look at
0:23:15 a plant i look at the the the
0:23:18 the clouds in the sky
0:23:20 all these things whatever when i want to
0:23:22 refer to this collective
0:23:24 i say the word nature
0:23:26 now nature is not a force out there
0:23:28 that's why they we mistakenly take the
0:23:31 word nature
0:23:32 as as something being a force
0:23:35 it is not a force
0:23:37 nature is something we refer to
0:23:40 is a category so it's a universal
0:23:42 philosopher as we say
0:23:44 not nominalist philosophers muslims we
0:23:46 are nominalists know it or not we are
0:23:48 nominalists nature is not a thing out
0:23:51 there nature is a category in here
0:23:54 it's a projection of the mind it's a way
0:23:56 we address the world
0:23:58 so when i ask you what creates the water
0:24:00 cycle
0:24:01 you're going to point to another god
0:24:02 you're going gonna say oh there's
0:24:04 evaporation there's gravity et cetera
0:24:06 gravity again is another force that's
0:24:09 never observed in nature what you
0:24:11 observed was a pattern
0:24:13 that pattern you inferred a force so for
0:24:16 instance i'll give you a great for
0:24:17 instance okay so
0:24:19 if i kick a soccer ball
0:24:22 the soccer ball was still and i came to
0:24:24 it and i kicked it and and isaac said
0:24:26 isaac newton said
0:24:28 an object will stay at rest until a
0:24:30 force is acted upon it we all know this
0:24:32 three laws of motion and that one was
0:24:34 pretty easy you know i think everybody
0:24:36 would agree the genius of isaac newton
0:24:38 was that he said an object will stay in
0:24:41 motion
0:24:43 until a force acts upon it because when
0:24:44 you kick a soccer ball
0:24:46 it doesn't go on forever it goes it it
0:24:49 hits air resistance we didn't know it
0:24:50 was
0:24:51 it was slowing down and hitting the
0:24:52 ground because of air resistance isaac
0:24:54 newton had to figure that out why is the
0:24:56 soccer ball not going on into eternity
0:24:59 moving forward into it he said you know
0:25:00 what there must be
0:25:01 air resistance
0:25:03 there is a pull from the earth the mass
0:25:05 of the earth but he did never he never
0:25:07 observed gravity
0:25:09 he inferred gravity okay this is again
0:25:12 in philosophy of science we have
0:25:13 consensus
0:25:14 gravity is inferred gravity is not a
0:25:17 force out there it is not a force out
0:25:20 there a god out there a ghost out there
0:25:22 a demon out there that is moving things
0:25:24 around in the universe no no no no
0:25:26 we saw things moved and then we inferred
0:25:29 a force we saw motion
0:25:31 we saw patterns and regularities in
0:25:33 nature and then we inferred a force
0:25:37 now
0:25:38 in islam i really believe that
0:25:41 a highly educated muslim and muslim
0:25:43 philosophy not theology philosophy
0:25:45 because the difference between theology
0:25:47 and philosophy is theologians
0:25:49 start with the idea of god they already
0:25:51 believe in god
0:25:55 they already believe in god that's
0:25:57 theology
0:25:58 yeah philosophy
0:26:00 philosophy or religion we have to prove
0:26:02 god and then we'll do theology
0:26:06 now
0:26:07 there are no gods
0:26:09 except god allah
0:26:12 is
0:26:13 philosophy of religion it started with
0:26:15 the negation
0:26:17 it didn't start with acceptance it
0:26:19 started with a doubt
0:26:20 we reject all these gods nature
0:26:23 randomness gravity these are all gods
0:26:26 that are not out there if you read kant
0:26:28 you read ghazali you realize they are
0:26:30 projections of the mind now these are
0:26:31 not my personal philosophies okay
0:26:33 british empiricists also came to this
0:26:35 exact same conclusion they came to this
0:26:37 exact same conclusion atheists agree
0:26:41 with us
0:26:42 that gravity is not out there
0:26:45 it's a pattern in regularity and we
0:26:46 bookmarked that pattern irregularity and
0:26:48 we called it gravity
0:26:50 that word gravity over time for those
0:26:53 who are not experts in epistemology they
0:26:55 came to believe it as a force and i
0:26:57 consider that to be an idolatry it's a
0:26:59 minor shirk it's a minor
0:27:01 it's a type of idolatry
0:27:03 you know in the quran it says
0:27:04 the quran it says see that bird in the
0:27:07 sky flapping its wings none but allah
0:27:09 holds it up now what does that mean if i
0:27:11 took a bird the arab's move i took a
0:27:12 bird i broke its wing it's not flying
0:27:14 anymore how come allah is not holding it
0:27:15 up
0:27:17 they knew that if you if there was a
0:27:20 gust of wind it would lift the sand they
0:27:22 knew that wind lifts sand what allah is
0:27:25 trying to what the quran is saying is
0:27:27 all these patterns and regularities
0:27:30 there are no forces out there there are
0:27:32 no other deities there's only one force
0:27:35 every motion in every pattern and
0:27:37 regularity you observe
0:27:39 is created by allah
0:27:42 there is only one force there is only
0:27:44 one force now i love how atheists try to
0:27:47 lecture us about occam's razor they're
0:27:49 the they're guilty
0:27:50 they are guilty muslims muslims are
0:27:54 should be should be the masters of
0:27:55 occam's razor islam is telling you
0:27:58 there are no deity save this one god we
0:28:01 couldn't muslims skeptics
0:28:05 was such a skeptic he didn't believe
0:28:07 anything he said you know
0:28:09 isn't it weird all the christians are
0:28:10 they're born christian they die
0:28:12 christian the muslims are born aren't we
0:28:13 indoctrinated it's all doctrine he asked
0:28:15 these questions
0:28:18 there's a point of doubt if you're if
0:28:20 you're an expert in doubt you doubt so
0:28:22 much you doubt existence you you doubt
0:28:24 the i
0:28:25 you doubt the self that even the
0:28:28 what is the self you know uh david hume
0:28:30 said look there is no i there is no self
0:28:33 maybe we'll get to that later in this
0:28:35 conversation but philosophers we can't
0:28:36 even put
0:28:38 we can't even put
0:28:40 the ego in a test pool we cannot put the
0:28:42 i what is the what is the essence of
0:28:44 something you know
0:28:47 if you
0:28:48 what is the essence of a human being we
0:28:50 cannot even define it
0:28:53 it seems that the whole dunya is
0:28:55 subjective
0:28:56 until except this one thing skeptics we
0:28:59 find this one thing and when we graduate
0:29:00 to this one thing
0:29:02 oftentimes will be called mystics
0:29:05 there's this one thing now where doubt
0:29:06 is proof you can no longer doubt
0:29:10 doubt actually becomes a type of proof
0:29:13 you've come now to this point of
0:29:14 awareness
0:29:16 this point of awareness
0:29:18 this death of all paradigms
0:29:20 is simply expressed
0:29:22 as
0:29:24 and you have direct
0:29:26 you have direct experience with this
0:29:28 this is what the quran is telling you
0:29:30 the quran is a reminder of your natural
0:29:33 born religion
0:29:34 now i want to remind you of a time
0:29:38 before you were born
0:29:40 where you didn't know your name you had
0:29:42 no idea of your ego they say the ego is
0:29:44 developed about one year of age
0:29:46 and you didn't know that dunya you
0:29:48 didn't taste anything sweet or warm or
0:29:51 you had no experiences with the dunya
0:29:53 you only had this
0:29:54 awareness
0:29:56 this is very early in your development
0:29:59 you were born with this fitrah you were
0:30:01 incubated in this fitrah and the quran
0:30:03 is telling you go back
0:30:06 you know in the bible there's many
0:30:08 things
0:30:09 that are argued that jesus said did not
0:30:11 say i think one is very possible that he
0:30:13 said he says look be born again what
0:30:14 does it mean be born again go back to
0:30:16 the fitra
0:30:19 go back to your natural religion and
0:30:21 this is the next point we're going to
0:30:22 talk about inshallah intuition we're
0:30:24 going to graduate from
0:30:26 historical truth
0:30:28 to inductive truths
0:30:30 to mathematical truths a prior truth and
0:30:32 we're going to touch finally
0:30:35 intuition
0:30:36 the mother of all truths and actually
0:30:38 intuition
0:30:41 it
0:30:42 it sustains all the other truths
0:30:45 all the other truths
0:30:47 depend on intuition
0:30:50 so we're going to talk now about
0:30:52 the tabula rasa okay
0:30:56 john locke said look you paul are a
0:30:58 blank slate you're this virgin sheet of
0:31:00 paper
0:31:02 anything in this your mind is this
0:31:04 virgin sheet of paper if you tasted
0:31:06 honey now you know about honey let's
0:31:08 write down honey
0:31:10 paul now knows about sweetness honey
0:31:13 liquids
0:31:14 then paul ate an apple okay now he knows
0:31:16 the color red he knows the crunch of an
0:31:19 apple he knows the sound an apple makes
0:31:21 when you crunch into it
0:31:22 okay paul now today he rode a bike okay
0:31:24 he knows about pedaling
0:31:26 he knows about turning left and right
0:31:28 all this information now is being
0:31:30 written on the tabulariza this is your
0:31:32 mind okay
0:31:35 and now
0:31:37 we're going to talk about your tabula
0:31:39 rasa once anything on the tabularaza had
0:31:42 to go through your senses john locke
0:31:43 says
0:31:45 so if you were blind your whole life you
0:31:47 would never have anything about the
0:31:49 color red on your tabular rasa
0:31:52 your tabula rasa has no
0:31:55 experience with the color red
0:31:57 if you were a supremely intelligent
0:31:59 being and you were blind no matter how
0:32:00 much i tell you about the color red you
0:32:02 can never imagine it
0:32:05 to you this is an alien subject
0:32:09 it is unknown
0:32:10 and you cannot imagine it yeah
0:32:14 now you paul
0:32:17 you've seen the color red
0:32:19 you've seen a man you've seen men you've
0:32:22 seen human beings you've seen reindeer
0:32:25 you've seen reindeer yes or no
0:32:30 yeah have you seen this have you ever
0:32:32 seen a sled
0:32:33 yes
0:32:35 have you ever seen a bird fly in the sky
0:32:37 absolutely
0:32:38 okay these are all things you experience
0:32:40 they're all in your table
0:32:41 they were in the senses sight smell
0:32:44 taste touch
0:32:45 hearing
0:32:46 and now they're all on
0:32:48 tabula rasa now once they're in the mind
0:32:50 paul
0:32:51 you can jumble them up as much as you
0:32:52 want
0:32:54 now you can invent santa claus you saw a
0:32:56 man
0:32:57 you saw a bird fly you saw a sled you
0:32:59 saw a reindeer now you can jumble up
0:33:01 santa claus
0:33:04 the santa claus exist could be could not
0:33:06 be things that are jumbled up in the
0:33:08 mine may or may not exist
0:33:11 however the simple experiences have to
0:33:13 exist the color red has to exist man has
0:33:16 to exist reindeer have to exist
0:33:19 flight has to exist
0:33:21 if you were blind paul you would never
0:33:23 know the color red no matter how logical
0:33:25 you are
0:33:26 you need it to have it you need to have
0:33:28 it in the senses
0:33:35 in the quran it says abraham he saw the
0:33:37 stars
0:33:39 and he said this is my god
0:33:41 and then the star said and he says no
0:33:43 my god doesn't set
0:33:45 then he saw the moon the light was even
0:33:47 greater and he said this is my god now
0:33:50 again i believe he was doing this in
0:33:51 jest
0:33:52 maybe he's because i'm
0:33:54 i'm too uncomfortable with thinking that
0:33:56 abraham alayhi salam was ever
0:33:58 a worshiper of stars or moons i think he
0:34:00 was doing it in jess because the pagans
0:34:02 worship star's moons
0:34:03 exactly that's a separate topic okay i
0:34:05 think he was doing it in jest okay so
0:34:06 but it's in the quran yeah
0:34:08 he says i see the moon i worship the
0:34:11 moon the moon's light is even greater
0:34:14 i worship the moon then the moon sets
0:34:16 and says no
0:34:17 then he sees the sun and the sun's light
0:34:20 is even greater says i worship
0:34:23 i worship the sun
0:34:25 and then the sun sets and he says no
0:34:27 he realized that he was jumbling up he
0:34:29 had this idea of god this fitra this
0:34:31 innate belief of god and then he saw
0:34:34 these wondrous things in the world and
0:34:35 he joined them together with god just
0:34:37 like the greeks say zeus is the god of
0:34:39 lightning they took the belief of allah
0:34:41 and they jumbled it with the
0:34:43 idea of lightning because lightning
0:34:45 comes from above and it's so powerful
0:34:47 and scary and and and marvelous
0:34:50 they connected ideas together
0:34:54 that's why when i when i speak to an
0:34:56 atheist i tell them you already believe
0:34:58 in allah you already believe in god
0:35:01 i'll prove it to you now i want you to
0:35:03 imagine in your mind
0:35:05 the r7-1 i want you to look at it
0:35:08 in your mind
0:35:09 not the not the letter r not the number
0:35:11 seven the object i'm referring to
0:35:16 i want you to flip it upside down i want
0:35:18 you to turn it around i want you to
0:35:19 picture a yellow version of it now
0:35:22 now i'll picture a blue version of it
0:35:24 everybody's wondering what's this r7-1 i
0:35:26 have no experience of art i never went
0:35:28 out in the world what's he referring to
0:35:31 because i made it up there's no such
0:35:33 thing as r7-1 i'm not i'm not this sound
0:35:36 i made r7 that is not labeling it to
0:35:38 anything in the dunya nothing i made it
0:35:40 up
0:35:41 if it's that's how a blind man feels
0:35:44 when you talk to him about the color red
0:35:45 he's like what is this guy talking about
0:35:47 i've never seen an r7-1 i want you to
0:35:50 see what a blind man
0:35:52 experiences
0:35:55 he doesn't know what when you say red he
0:35:57 doesn't understand what you're saying
0:36:00 okay
0:36:01 now ebon tufao actually gives a
0:36:03 beautiful allegory about this
0:36:05 but this is a maybe a story for another
0:36:07 day
0:36:09 when i talk to you about allah you know
0:36:11 exactly what i'm talking about
0:36:13 you say i reject this idea
0:36:16 you want to reject an idea but you
0:36:18 confirmed it by telling me you don't
0:36:20 believe in it you already you didn't say
0:36:22 that what's allah what's god what is
0:36:24 this thing god no this is not your
0:36:26 reaction no no no no no
0:36:28 you told me you know you know what i
0:36:30 don't like this idea i haven't seen it i
0:36:32 haven't i want to put it in a test tube
0:36:34 before i believe in it
0:36:36 let me say that
0:36:39 now here's here's what ghazali would
0:36:40 tell john locke
0:36:42 remember
0:36:44 every idea we had in the tabular raza
0:36:47 was once in your senses here's the the
0:36:49 fatal flaw atheists makes
0:36:52 they say look where is it in the tabula
0:36:54 rasa allah where is god i want to hold
0:36:56 his hand i want to touch
0:36:58 i want to feel
0:37:01 but here's what ghazali would tell john
0:37:03 locke he says what about this tabula
0:37:05 rasa
0:37:06 it's also a compounded idea
0:37:09 you took virgin
0:37:11 sheet of paper
0:37:12 that's something from the dunya that's
0:37:14 something from the world you saw
0:37:16 and now you mingled it with our
0:37:18 consciousness you mingled it again with
0:37:20 the
0:37:21 the tabula raza itself
0:37:23 was once in the senses
0:37:27 what is the tabula rasa without the
0:37:30 white sheet of paper
0:37:31 what are you referring to
0:37:33 he just admitted to you
0:37:35 he just admitted to you what every
0:37:37 atheist should admit to himself
0:37:40 within us all
0:37:42 there's this point of awareness
0:37:45 and this point of awareness is actually
0:37:46 not within us we are within it
0:37:50 we are within it
0:37:54 the mind not my mind the mind
0:37:56 consciousness not the contents of
0:37:58 consciousness this is where
0:38:00 abraham ali salam
0:38:02 discovered his fault
0:38:05 he was worshiping the contents of
0:38:06 consciousness
0:38:09 and he realized no this is
0:38:12 this is nested in consciousness as am i
0:38:15 nested in consciousness
0:38:17 you know i asked i ask atheist
0:38:19 materialist philosophers prove to me
0:38:23 materialism because i believe that
0:38:24 materialism
0:38:25 i believe that
0:38:27 all our beliefs and physical world is
0:38:28 also another deity nobody's ever proved
0:38:31 the physical world okay if you're
0:38:32 familiar with a great thinker english
0:38:34 thinker george berkeley you should
0:38:35 familiarize yourself with him yeah
0:38:37 idealism i'd
0:38:39 i'll tell you excuse me
0:38:41 i'm going to tell i'm gonna throw out
0:38:42 another challenge to anybody
0:38:45 who can refute idealism idealism is
0:38:47 considered in philosophy irrefutable
0:38:50 it is irrefutable
0:38:52 hard to accept because it's so
0:38:57 it's
0:38:58 so i don't know how to say but it's so
0:39:02 special it's so shocking
0:39:05 that people have an emotional reaction
0:39:07 people who who swear that they're
0:39:09 they're logical human beings that they
0:39:10 only follow the evidence once you take
0:39:12 them here they're to like they're going
0:39:13 to have an emotional reaction
0:39:15 it's too
0:39:17 powerful it's too emotionally
0:39:18 stimulating for people to even look at
0:39:21 it
0:39:22 so anyways i don't want to go off on a
0:39:23 tangent here but
0:39:24 i can i can guarantee you there's never
0:39:26 been a human being on the face of the
0:39:27 earth that has refuted
0:39:30 idealism idealism is considered
0:39:32 irrefutable you could take that to the
0:39:33 bank okay
0:39:38 now we're talking about
0:39:42 philosophers they say look
0:39:44 aspect philosophers show me how phys
0:39:46 physical things exist
0:39:48 how is the mind dependent on the brain
0:39:50 because they say the brain if you tinker
0:39:52 with it it
0:39:54 changes the mind i say no i say the
0:39:56 brain is dependent on the mind they say
0:39:57 no the the mind the mind is dependent on
0:40:00 the brain we have this feud so i tell
0:40:01 them okay prove to me that the mind is
0:40:03 dependent on the brain they say well
0:40:05 look the brain
0:40:08 is physical and if i tinker with it it
0:40:10 changes the mind
0:40:12 now i say prove to me that the brain is
0:40:14 physical
0:40:16 there is no way to prove that the brain
0:40:18 is physical
0:40:21 let me give you a a a glaring
0:40:24 example of this a glaring example that i
0:40:27 think i have to quote so many thinkers
0:40:30 came to this conclusion okay it's not me
0:40:31 okay i'm not the brilliant guy who
0:40:32 figured all this out not at all i'm far
0:40:34 from it
0:40:35 i think berkeley
0:40:37 gave the best example
0:40:40 and
0:40:41 i'm going to use his example because i
0:40:42 think he said it best
0:40:44 picture a triangle okay berkeley asks us
0:40:46 picture triangle now remember triangle
0:40:48 is mathematics it's look it's euclidean
0:40:51 geometry it's been a 2000 years and
0:40:53 nobody's ever found a flaw in euclidean
0:40:55 geometry
0:40:57 a triangle has to have two sides excuse
0:40:59 me three sides three corners
0:41:01 the the inside of the angles have to add
0:41:04 up to 180 degrees we know exactly what a
0:41:06 triangle is
0:41:07 it's purely objective
0:41:09 correct
0:41:12 now i want you to think of a triangle
0:41:13 but without any subjectivity no color
0:41:18 can you do it no
0:41:20 it's impossible it's always a green
0:41:22 triangle a blue triangle a black
0:41:24 triangle a white triangle you can't get
0:41:25 away from subjectivity now remove what's
0:41:28 subjective about it what are you left
0:41:30 with
0:41:31 ideas in the mind
0:41:33 there's nothing left so you're saying
0:41:36 you're calling something that's
0:41:37 objective a color
0:41:40 sorry you're calling something that's
0:41:41 subjective a color
0:41:44 that the triangle is made of a color
0:41:45 right the green is subjective
0:41:47 and then you're superimposing your
0:41:49 objective ideas on that subjective
0:41:51 things so even objectivity even
0:41:53 objectivity is reliant on subjectivity
0:41:58 now let's define objectivity and
0:41:59 subjectivity to our i know i'm i'm sure
0:42:02 you're aware of the differences but
0:42:04 descartes said it best so i'm going to
0:42:06 quote him think of an orange
0:42:08 if i were to weigh an orange you and me
0:42:10 would come to the same conclusion
0:42:13 if we measured its circumference me and
0:42:15 you would come to the same conclusion
0:42:17 yes or no yes
0:42:19 now if i asked you
0:42:20 is an orange tasty
0:42:22 you would say what maybe yes maybe no
0:42:25 that's subjective it depends on you
0:42:28 it could have been otherwise
0:42:31 it could be an answer yes it could be an
0:42:32 answer no remember we talked about math
0:42:34 and then biology and one is necessary
0:42:36 and one is contingent one may or may not
0:42:38 be
0:42:39 all your necessary truths are actually
0:42:41 dependent on these subjective
0:42:44 elements
0:42:46 so every time we find something with a
0:42:48 doubt we remove it
0:42:50 skeptics we become mystics
0:42:52 when we've gone so far that we've gotten
0:42:54 to a place
0:42:57 where there's no more removing
0:43:00 you can't know there's just this
0:43:02 awareness that's why i always tell
0:43:03 people allah is not something you see
0:43:05 with your eye allah is what gives you
0:43:07 seeing
0:43:09 in science they call it the hard problem
0:43:11 of consciousness they wash their hands
0:43:12 of it they say once we get here we stop
0:43:16 this is the hard problem we have no idea
0:43:18 we give up
0:43:20 they call it the heart problem of
0:43:21 consciousness the easy problem oh the
0:43:23 wiring is in your brain
0:43:26 the electrodes the blood flow the gray
0:43:28 matter one brain state transforming into
0:43:30 another that's the easy part the flesh
0:43:33 you know the quran talks about them they
0:43:34 say they only know the appearance of
0:43:36 things
0:43:37 they never think about their themselves
0:43:40 they never think about
0:43:42 themselves now
0:43:43 my uh
0:43:44 my philosophy is popular for making
0:43:46 things simple okay so i'm gonna try to
0:43:48 make things extra simple we're gonna
0:43:50 talk about intuition now but
0:43:52 if you don't mind please
0:43:56 we're going to instead of giving a
0:43:57 boring lecture i'm going to give i'm
0:43:58 going to give you a thought experiment
0:44:00 inshallah
0:44:02 i think that thought experiments are are
0:44:03 much better than logical arguments
0:44:07 suppose we're going to build a paul 2.0
0:44:09 we're going to build a robot
0:44:11 okay humor me for a second
0:44:13 instead of bones he's going to have
0:44:14 steel
0:44:16 as a skeleton
0:44:17 instead of skin he's going to have sheet
0:44:19 metal instead of a heart he's going to
0:44:20 have a pump instead of blood he's gonna
0:44:22 have an oil that goes through his system
0:44:26 instead of a brain he's gonna have a
0:44:27 computer instead of an eye he's gonna
0:44:28 have a camera instead of an ear he's
0:44:29 gonna have a recorder etcetera etcetera
0:44:31 etcetera much better
0:44:35 now paul 2.0
0:44:38 he has a program it's if this then that
0:44:43 now he's studying
0:44:44 the blood and flesh
0:44:46 paul
0:44:47 he's following you around paul 2.0
0:44:49 robotic paul he's following you every
0:44:51 day
0:44:52 and he studies you
0:44:54 and he sees if paul wakes up then he
0:44:56 drinks coffee
0:44:58 99 times out of 100. so when i wake up
0:45:00 99 times out of 100 i run the algorithm
0:45:03 if it's 8 am
0:45:05 then then coffee
0:45:08 if between 8 a.m and 10 a.m coffee
0:45:11 he figures out an algorithm if this then
0:45:13 that
0:45:15 if this then that if it rains paul gets
0:45:17 an umbrella so paul 2.0 if this then
0:45:20 that he puts on his umbrella
0:45:22 he's following you every day and he's
0:45:24 copying you every day and he's getting
0:45:25 more and more like you every day till
0:45:27 the point where
0:45:29 we can't differentiate between you and
0:45:30 him he's so sophisticated paul
0:45:34 paul 2.0 is so sophisticated his
0:45:37 algorithm for if this than that
0:45:39 is so sophisticated it even makes
0:45:42 exceptions for when you're in a bad mood
0:45:46 if paul is like this then that he
0:45:48 figured you out so he's copying you
0:45:51 so
0:45:52 well
0:45:54 now paul 2.0 is so interested in knowing
0:45:56 everything about you
0:45:59 he's following you he's copying you he's
0:46:02 doing everything exactly like you
0:46:05 is paul 2.0 human no
0:46:09 why but he's exactly like you
0:46:11 in every way he's still not human
0:46:14 he's only if this than that now here's
0:46:17 another question i want to ask you
0:46:19 does does paul 2.0 have any subjective
0:46:22 experience
0:46:23 does he know the taste of an orange
0:46:26 he
0:46:26 he followed you around he said
0:46:29 if you know he knows more about you than
0:46:30 you know about yourself did you know
0:46:32 paul that if it's a rainy day
0:46:35 in february
0:46:36 and it's between this and that
0:46:37 temperature you go to the fridge and you
0:46:39 eat an orange you don't even know that
0:46:41 about yourself but paul 2.0 says you
0:46:42 know what the statistical probability
0:46:44 that paul's going to go to an or get an
0:46:45 orange right now he knows everything
0:46:46 about you
0:46:47 and if this then that and he goes and he
0:46:49 gets that orange and he eats it and
0:46:50 you're eating an orange in your
0:46:51 apartment and he's eating an orange in
0:46:52 his apartment and he just knows that hey
0:46:54 this is what happened in the past and i
0:46:56 predict it's going to happen again in
0:46:57 the future he's using the scientific
0:46:58 method to understand everything about
0:46:59 you
0:47:01 yet you when you eat an orange you say
0:47:03 mmm delicious
0:47:05 so he repeats when paul eats an orange
0:47:07 if this then that he says um delicious
0:47:09 now he has no understanding of what
0:47:11 delicious he has no subjective
0:47:13 experience of delicious yes or no
0:47:17 absolutely correct
0:47:20 this robot only is
0:47:22 appears to be paul
0:47:25 he's only paul in appearance
0:47:29 now one day there's a lightning strike
0:47:32 and you
0:47:33 you jump in fear there's a powerful
0:47:35 lightning strike you're walking in the
0:47:36 street and it's raining and
0:47:39 powerful lightning strike it strikes
0:47:40 fear in your heart
0:47:42 and paul 2.0 sees you and he says look
0:47:45 lightning if lightning strike at this
0:47:47 many decibels at this distance then paul
0:47:50 shakes like this
0:47:52 he didn't experience your fear
0:47:56 did he experience your fear no
0:47:59 no he didn't
0:48:01 he said if this then that so every time
0:48:03 there's a lightning strike at that
0:48:04 amount of decibels at that distance at
0:48:05 this he shakes he doesn't know why you
0:48:08 shake he has no idea but he shakes he
0:48:09 stutters in fear
0:48:13 he has no subjective experience
0:48:17 this is very important this is a crucial
0:48:19 point here
0:48:20 the quran tells us
0:48:23 that when you see lightning
0:48:26 you're filled with hope
0:48:27 and or fear why fear because you might
0:48:30 die from lightning hope because it's
0:48:32 going to rain and your crops will grow
0:48:34 some people when they see lightning
0:48:37 they'll come to tears they're happy hey
0:48:38 we're going to survive this season
0:48:42 lightning will strike fear and some and
0:48:44 hope in others
0:48:46 that sensation
0:48:47 of hope and fear allah is asking you
0:48:51 to reflect on it in the quran he says
0:48:52 look you were dust
0:48:55 you were dust
0:48:56 and behold now you're human
0:48:59 soon after you become a human
0:49:01 now you said to me that robot is not
0:49:03 human
0:49:04 i'm asking you
0:49:06 he's also dust you know this science
0:49:08 tells us we're all stardust the
0:49:10 elementary part the
0:49:11 everything in the universe all tangible
0:49:13 things
0:49:14 are stardust ultimately
0:49:17 we all come from exploding stars we are
0:49:19 dust the quran says we are dust the
0:49:21 scientists the atheist tells us atheist
0:49:23 materialist tells us we are dust we
0:49:25 agree we're in agreement
0:49:27 are we not does anybody say no we're not
0:49:30 dust
0:49:31 we all agree that we come from dust
0:49:35 the robot is also dust just like you yes
0:49:38 or no yes ultimately these things that
0:49:40 came out of the earth
0:49:42 or from comets out of the sky ultimately
0:49:44 we all came come from a byproduct of the
0:49:46 sun or stars exploding stars
0:49:50 the table of elements are stardust we're
0:49:53 all made up of table of elements that's
0:49:54 the appearance of things
0:49:57 you know that that you know if i if i
0:49:59 have a what do you call those uh a
0:50:01 ventriloquist act you know the the guy
0:50:03 who sits up puts a puppet on his hand
0:50:06 now he's talking with his lips and he
0:50:08 could fool the kids right and the kids
0:50:09 will think hey that puppet has a mind
0:50:12 we project our mind onto this robot this
0:50:14 this paul 2.0 we think hey he's
0:50:16 conscious but he's not he's really if
0:50:18 this than that
0:50:21 the quran is telling you look you went
0:50:22 from dust to human you agreed that that
0:50:25 robot was not human early on
0:50:28 correct correct something is missing
0:50:30 what is this thing that he's missing
0:50:33 now allah tells us in the quran he
0:50:34 created adam from dust and then he blows
0:50:36 he breathes into him his ruach
0:50:40 that rule that consciousness that thing
0:50:41 inside us you have direct experience
0:50:44 you're not using logic you're not using
0:50:46 the scientific method you're definitely
0:50:47 not using the historical method
0:50:50 to know about your own consciousness now
0:50:52 for instance i'll give you another for
0:50:53 instance now to make this even more
0:50:55 clear
0:50:56 paul 2.0 he invents a nano robot
0:51:01 it's such a small tiny robot it actually
0:51:02 goes into your ear it seeps through the
0:51:04 canal it's so tiny you can pass between
0:51:06 the
0:51:07 the
0:51:08 the smallest cells of your body and this
0:51:10 little nanorobot goes into the brain
0:51:12 this is a lightness example
0:51:15 and it observes everything about your
0:51:16 brain
0:51:17 it sees blood flow it sees neurons
0:51:19 firing it sees gray matter it sees that
0:51:21 the sequences it's relaying all this
0:51:22 information back to paul 2.0
0:51:25 but paul 2.0 never sees consciousness no
0:51:27 matter how logical he is
0:51:30 and don't forget he's downloaded all the
0:51:32 logical
0:51:34 rules of of the history of all logicians
0:51:36 he knows he's a master of logic greater
0:51:38 than any human he's deep blue okay the
0:51:40 blue the
0:51:42 the the program that beat kasparov yeah
0:51:45 he has every logical argument that has
0:51:47 ever been uttered he has every
0:51:48 scientific he has the database of every
0:51:50 scientific experiment that's ever been
0:51:52 published
0:51:54 yet still paul 2.0 knows nothing about
0:51:56 your consciousness nothing
0:52:00 he needs intuition to have experience
0:52:05 of consciousness
0:52:06 he has no intuition
0:52:08 he has no rule
0:52:11 rule
0:52:12 is is
0:52:13 transcendent
0:52:14 it is outside the test tube it is beyond
0:52:16 logic even logic cannot encompass allah
0:52:21 you know some people say i've heard even
0:52:22 muslims say that allah could only do
0:52:24 what is logically possible i personally
0:52:26 disagree i think allah is
0:52:27 above logic we'll talk about this
0:52:29 another time inshallah maybe we'll have
0:52:30 time later on
0:52:32 but there is no
0:52:33 principle of sufficient reason psr that
0:52:36 encompass allah is above logic and i'll
0:52:39 explain to you why later this is the
0:52:40 case
0:52:41 your logic cannot grasp allah your logic
0:52:44 can only point to allah and i believe
0:52:46 there you know
0:52:47 the the muslim thinkers say they're two
0:52:49 ways to allah one logic you study the
0:52:51 world yes there's logic and you could
0:52:53 point to allah and you could say look
0:52:54 the world it would be an infinite
0:52:56 regress you there are logical arguments
0:52:58 there are arguments that hold water but
0:53:00 this is the secondary way to know allah
0:53:02 there is a primary way to know allah
0:53:05 there is a primary way
0:53:07 and allah points to it in the quran he
0:53:09 tells you
0:53:11 you are from dust
0:53:14 and behold now
0:53:16 you are human
0:53:18 now in philosophy
0:53:20 we have this uh
0:53:21 uh fallacy we sometimes refer to as
0:53:24 mystery therefore magic if it's a
0:53:26 mystery it must be magic
0:53:28 this is not the logical leap we're
0:53:30 making you know why it's the logical
0:53:32 leap that a robot paul 2.0 would make
0:53:35 because he's trying to use logic
0:53:37 and scientific experiment to figure out
0:53:40 everything about you
0:53:44 he doesn't have direct experience with
0:53:46 consciousness allah is asking you about
0:53:48 something you know directly
0:53:51 you told me earlier that that robot was
0:53:53 not dust is not human what is human
0:53:56 so you know what if i made a if i made
0:53:58 it a
0:53:59 1 million paul 2.0
0:54:02 there a dime a dozen and i crushed one
0:54:04 and i cubed one and i destroyed it you
0:54:06 wouldn't you wouldn't have a funeral for
0:54:07 him nothing special about him
0:54:09 there's another one
0:54:10 however there are billions of human
0:54:12 beings eight billion if i killed one you
0:54:14 would be very upset with me
0:54:17 why i destroyed something
0:54:21 that's irreplaceable
0:54:25 not the body there's something else
0:54:27 there's a there's not not the dust what
0:54:29 is that something else i desecrated
0:54:31 something so sacred
0:54:34 that if i if i killed the organic paul
0:54:37 2.0 it would be very different than if i
0:54:38 killed the
0:54:40 excuse me the the organic paul then if i
0:54:42 killed the paul 2.0
0:54:44 allah is telling you you have this
0:54:46 direct
0:54:47 experience
0:54:49 it's not mystery therefore magic no no
0:54:51 you have access to this naked truth
0:54:53 direct access
0:54:56 this
0:54:57 light you know allah he calls himself
0:54:58 the light in the ayat nur
0:55:01 azalea goes quite deep into this
0:55:04 the allah light
0:55:07 now there's a lot of
0:55:08 different types here i'm not actually i
0:55:10 don't want to give expert thefts i'm
0:55:11 going to rely on his ali here
0:55:13 but the light is also reflected
0:55:16 the light is also reflected
0:55:18 now
0:55:19 you know the light is a nook it's in a
0:55:21 lamp and in a nook they say the nook is
0:55:23 the chest of the believer and the lamp
0:55:25 is the heart of the believer and allah
0:55:26 is the light inside the heart
0:55:29 and the lamp the the glass of the lamp
0:55:32 it it reflects that light
0:55:34 the purer your heart the more you
0:55:36 reflect the light of allah
0:55:38 this is a an analogy for your
0:55:40 consciousness your consciousness is a
0:55:42 borrowed light
0:55:44 allah shines this kind this is what it
0:55:46 felt
0:55:47 he teaches
0:55:48 allah shines his
0:55:50 consciousness and we reflect it
0:55:53 we are not we are not
0:55:55 we are not one with god we are not gods
0:55:58 we have no share in divinity this is
0:56:00 clear
0:56:01 however
0:56:03 we are we are
0:56:05 observers eyewitnesses of the light of
0:56:08 allah
0:56:09 this consciousness
0:56:11 let me give you a a
0:56:15 thomas huxley example thomas huxley
0:56:18 darwin's bulldog
0:56:20 darwin's bulldog not an atheist an
0:56:23 agnostic and for this reason he's an
0:56:25 agnostic for this reason
0:56:27 he says look
0:56:28 if i rub a lamp and a magic genie came
0:56:31 out
0:56:33 that's the equivalent of this physical
0:56:35 brain
0:56:37 agitating itself and the mind
0:56:39 come out
0:56:41 they're equivalent
0:56:43 very quick that's why he said i can't be
0:56:45 he cannot be atheist he cannot say he's
0:56:47 going to say look i can't talk about
0:56:48 what i don't know that's it i'm going
0:56:50 agnostic
0:56:54 there's a fitra that you have direct
0:56:56 access to that the quran when it talks
0:56:59 to you about it
0:57:01 if you read the quran in this light
0:57:03 you'll have a whole different
0:57:04 interpretation
0:57:06 sujud when a when a muslim puts his head
0:57:08 on the floor
0:57:10 and it's abraham does it in the bible
0:57:12 ali sallam jesus alaihis-salam does it
0:57:13 in the bible and of course all the
0:57:15 prophets did it this is an this is a
0:57:19 physical
0:57:21 expression of
0:57:24 i when you when you prostrate your head
0:57:26 is lower than the heart because ali
0:57:27 tells us your head is now lower than the
0:57:29 heart not the heart not the lump of
0:57:30 flesh
0:57:32 that innate sense that thing that robot
0:57:34 2.0 paul 2.0 doesn't have
0:57:37 is a gift from allah it's a direct
0:57:40 connection to allah you're saying allah
0:57:42 i didn't deduce you logically i didn't
0:57:44 scientifically grasp you i didn't put
0:57:47 you in a test tube but now i know about
0:57:48 you no
0:57:49 even the most layman even the man who
0:57:51 never understood logic he knew about
0:57:53 allah
0:57:55 it's a grace you know about allah via
0:57:58 grace
0:57:59 via mercy the greatest thing the
0:58:02 greatest gift you ever had
0:58:05 was the fitra
0:58:07 and this is why allah is
0:58:09 Music
0:58:11 this is a mercy
0:58:12 you have the answer to your test already
0:58:15 you have it
0:58:17 that's why i tell people i don't believe
0:58:19 in atheists you only take this fitra and
0:58:21 you project it somewhere else you always
0:58:23 mix it with somewhere else if you let me
0:58:24 cross examine you long enough i will
0:58:26 show you you believe in some type of
0:58:28 faulty god the quran is telling you look
0:58:30 you already have the answer don't
0:58:32 partner the answer with anything out
0:58:34 there
0:58:35 and the height of arrogance is to say
0:58:38 man is allah
0:58:40 i'm gonna associate myself with allah
0:58:42 i'm gonna say i'm one with allah this is
0:58:44 the height of arrogance now you've made
0:58:45 yourself the furthest from allah
0:58:47 because the pharaoh he said he was a god
0:58:50 the pharaoh
0:58:51 this is the worst because you're you're
0:58:53 at the polar opposite of where you
0:58:55 should be
0:58:58 you didn't create this fitra you didn't
0:59:00 grasp it with your logic you didn't
0:59:02 figure it out you didn't solve a mystery
0:59:04 you're not the sherlock holmes who
0:59:05 figured it out no
0:59:07 it's an open secret every human being
0:59:09 knows
0:59:11 the word kuffar means hey you covered
0:59:14 this belief this is what originally
0:59:15 means you covered this belief this
0:59:17 innate belief that's when people tell me
0:59:19 how do you why do you believe in god
0:59:20 innate
0:59:21 yeah
0:59:22 everywhere the quran says
0:59:26 every everywhere you look you'll see the
0:59:28 face of allah when all have perished
0:59:30 there will remain the face of allah
0:59:33 razali he called if you understand what
0:59:35 this verse says
0:59:38 though those who have arrived
0:59:41 those who have arrived who are those who
0:59:43 have arrived
0:59:45 well
0:59:47 Music
0:59:48 it's a bit of a complicated story
0:59:51 but let's get into
0:59:54 let's get into it
0:59:56 let's talk about the essence
0:59:58 the essence of something
1:00:01 aristotle said look at all these knives
1:00:03 they all have one thing in common that
1:00:04 one thing is their essence
1:00:07 if i draw you a knife on a piece of
1:00:09 paper paul you're going to be like hey
1:00:11 you know what
1:00:12 i noticed that's a knife
1:00:14 why it's a piece of paper it's a drawing
1:00:16 it has the essence of a knife it
1:00:18 represents knives it shares in the
1:00:20 essence of knives
1:00:22 now if i take a knife
1:00:24 out of plastic or wood or steel or
1:00:26 whatever you're like that's a knife
1:00:30 now if i change its essence
1:00:32 if i take a steel knife and i melt it
1:00:33 down and i turn it into a fork you're
1:00:35 like it's no longer a knife it's lost
1:00:36 its essence the same bundle of metal is
1:00:39 no longer a knife you recognize that the
1:00:42 essence of knife
1:00:44 is no longer in that object it's no
1:00:46 longer a knife
1:00:47 you agree yep absolutely
1:00:50 a knife is a concept in the mind and
1:00:52 it's a thing out there in the world
1:00:55 because there are many knives if i told
1:00:57 you how much does a knife weigh you'll
1:00:59 be like that depends that's subjective
1:01:01 it could be this weight that weight
1:01:03 actually could be any weight
1:01:04 if i told you how long is the knife well
1:01:06 it all depends it's subjective again
1:01:09 because i'm referring when i say knife
1:01:10 i'm referring to a concept
1:01:13 i'm referring to a type of ghost
1:01:16 there are objects out there
1:01:18 that we label knives
1:01:19 but knife is the essence of nice is
1:01:21 really a concept that's dependent on our
1:01:23 minds
1:01:26 now how about this what if i told you i
1:01:28 had a divine knife
1:01:31 there's only one knife like this in the
1:01:32 world there are no other knives there
1:01:34 will never be another knife
1:01:37 there will never be another knife ball
1:01:38 and this knife is never changing it
1:01:41 doesn't change
1:01:42 it doesn't go through stages
1:01:45 it is the way it is it always was that
1:01:47 way and it will forever be that way
1:01:50 and there will never be another one you
1:01:51 see your concept of knives because there
1:01:53 are many knives
1:01:55 you've made a collage in your mind
1:01:56 knives represent this idea
1:02:01 there are many human beings
1:02:05 so you have you have an idea in your
1:02:07 mind uh archetype of what a human being
1:02:09 is that's the essence of human being all
1:02:10 human beings share in this archetype
1:02:14 allah has no archetype
1:02:18 allah is singular always was always will
1:02:21 be
1:02:22 if there was a divine knife paul
1:02:24 now when i say divine knife there are no
1:02:26 other knives there can never be another
1:02:28 knife
1:02:29 if i told you how much is that knife way
1:02:31 whatever i say about that knife now if
1:02:33 it's true it's objective it's no longer
1:02:35 subjective
1:02:38 we've reached now objectivity we've
1:02:40 reached something we could say this is
1:02:41 true
1:02:42 we cannot deny it
1:02:44 it's certain
1:02:47 we would have arrived as azeli says
1:02:50 because razeli was dying he was looking
1:02:52 for truth
1:02:53 that's
1:02:54 unquestionable
1:02:58 no philosopher is going to come a
1:02:59 thousand years from now and question it
1:03:00 and raise a doubt no no no he wants
1:03:03 absolute truth
1:03:06 allah is al-haq and we're going to get
1:03:08 there inshaallah
1:03:10 there is for him for the truth to be
1:03:13 it cannot be a concept it cannot be an
1:03:15 archetype archetypes vary they are
1:03:17 subjective
1:03:19 you paul
1:03:20 you paul exists as flesh as part flesh
1:03:24 and part metaphor
1:03:26 i'll give you a quote you an atheist
1:03:28 david hume he says look human beings
1:03:30 paul's mind
1:03:32 is just a chain think about it as a
1:03:33 chain one link after another your mind
1:03:36 goes through stages
1:03:38 your mind is not the same as you when
1:03:39 you were when you were five years old
1:03:41 your mind has changed over time and it
1:03:42 will change over time
1:03:44 it's not this one thing where there's a
1:03:46 nucleus and i can point to it and i can
1:03:48 hold it and i can put it in a test tube
1:03:49 and i can weigh it and i can know
1:03:50 something objective about it actually
1:03:52 everything about your mind is objective
1:03:54 excuse me
1:03:55 subjective
1:03:57 i cannot put it in a test tube i cannot
1:03:59 directly point at it i don't even know
1:04:01 where it is in space and time
1:04:04 your mind is this concept and your mind
1:04:06 is shared with other minds and there's
1:04:08 it's an archetype it's part concept
1:04:10 oftentimes i like to point to
1:04:12 the ship of thesis i'll give you the
1:04:14 ship of thesis you have you ever heard
1:04:16 of it the ship of thesis no don't have
1:04:18 no
1:04:19 picture picture a ship it has 99 parts
1:04:24 it's a man the man who owns it his name
1:04:25 is thesis
1:04:28 every day he has to change a part
1:04:31 he replaces a part every day
1:04:34 after 10 days that ship
1:04:36 has 89 original parts 10 parts that are
1:04:40 new
1:04:43 those 10 parts he puts it in a warehouse
1:04:44 somewhere
1:04:45 after 99 days he's changed all 99 parts
1:04:49 and he's been sailing for 99 days back
1:04:50 and forth and we see him every day oh
1:04:53 there's there's a ship of thesis we wave
1:04:54 to him
1:04:56 and then one day somebody goes into that
1:04:58 warehouse and takes those 99 original
1:04:59 parts and rebuilds the ship of thesis
1:05:02 now which one is the original ship of
1:05:04 thesis
1:05:06 it all depends how your outlook it's
1:05:08 subjective
1:05:10 there's no concrete
1:05:12 objective ship of thesis
1:05:15 there's no objective answer why
1:05:17 because we're talking about a
1:05:18 multiplicity of things
1:05:21 ship of theses was part
1:05:24 part object part concept
1:05:27 allah is not part concept allah is not
1:05:30 part of a quran when the quran is
1:05:32 telling you allah is one allah is
1:05:33 telling you i am literal
1:05:35 you paul
1:05:36 are metaphor not allah is a metaphor you
1:05:39 paul and me and the dunya is metaphor
1:05:42 hazari told us all is metaphor except
1:05:45 allah accept allah
1:05:48 allah is literal he's in a category to
1:05:50 himself
1:05:52 he always was that's what it takes to be
1:05:54 objective only god can be true
1:05:57 everything else is trying to be true
1:06:01 everything else is trying to mimic
1:06:03 or reach this thing called true and we
1:06:05 can never do it there is nothing else
1:06:07 actually there is nothing else
1:06:10 that is true in this sense there is
1:06:12 nothing else
1:06:16 is a direct truism
1:06:19 it's undeniable
1:06:21 it always will be true and forever
1:06:24 unchanging it is never even adam when he
1:06:26 was alone he was not objectively true
1:06:28 because adam was in transition
1:06:30 always he was learning he was growing he
1:06:33 was decaying he was going through a
1:06:35 process
1:06:38 he is
1:06:39 he was finite in some sense
1:06:43 he was limited in some sense he is part
1:06:46 concept we are part concept the whole
1:06:48 world and when you come to this
1:06:49 realization gazelle tells you now you've
1:06:51 arrived
1:06:52 now you've understood now
1:06:54 descartes
1:06:57 he wrote a book called the meditations
1:06:58 and in my opinion he studied hazel for
1:07:00 certain
1:07:01 interesting yeah for certain for sure
1:07:03 there's no doubt okay
1:07:05 i consider myself to be an expert in
1:07:07 descartes
1:07:08 yeah i noticed when i i noticed when i
1:07:10 read gaza this uh hang on this sounds
1:07:12 remarkably like renee descartes you know
1:07:14 who's writing five centuries later but
1:07:16 yeah
1:07:17 absolutely so
1:07:19 descartes says look
1:07:26 um sorry i
1:07:28 skipped all right
1:07:29 what was your second one sorry after
1:07:31 wrestling so much i my blood sugar
1:07:33 dropped so what were you talking about
1:07:34 oh you took my uh renee daycare and oh
1:07:37 yes he says uh uh excuse me sorry
1:07:40 rene descartes said something he said
1:07:42 look i want to build this uh structure
1:07:44 and i want the
1:07:45 first block don't forget he was a he was
1:07:46 a brilliant mathematician he was a
1:07:48 brilliant scientist he was a he was a
1:07:50 genius there's no doubt and i'm not
1:07:51 using that term loosely he was a genius
1:07:54 absolutely he like rasali asked how do i
1:07:58 know i'm not dreaming
1:08:00 exactly
1:08:02 how do i know i'm not dreaming which by
1:08:04 the way nobody in philosophy has ever
1:08:05 come up with a good answer nobody
1:08:08 by the way but that's a topic for
1:08:10 another day a very interesting topic
1:08:11 actually very
1:08:12 heavily rooted also in the quran
1:08:15 very important in the quran
1:08:17 now descartes says look i want to build
1:08:19 this perfect structure the first block
1:08:20 must be
1:08:22 indestructible i'm gonna doubt
1:08:24 everything i know about science math
1:08:25 history everything i'm gonna and until i
1:08:27 find this one thing the nucleus it's
1:08:29 gotta be so perfect
1:08:31 it's gonna be so perfect and then i'm
1:08:32 gonna bring back science math history
1:08:34 and this thing is gonna ensure that the
1:08:36 rest is true yeah and he reflected and
1:08:39 he reflected and he reflected and he
1:08:40 threw one thing out after another and he
1:08:42 was almost he he came by a hair
1:08:45 tulla
1:08:46 he came by a hair
1:08:49 he said you know what
1:08:51 i this is what he said he said i think
1:08:53 therefore i am if i have thoughts i must
1:08:56 exist a prerequisite for having thoughts
1:08:58 is existence therefore
1:09:00 i am
1:09:03 even if there was a
1:09:05 demon out there trying to even if i was
1:09:07 dreaming right now i would still exist i
1:09:09 would know i i think therefore i am
1:09:10 would still be true it's transcendent he
1:09:13 said
1:09:14 even if there was a demon out there that
1:09:16 if every time i touched something hot he
1:09:17 made me feel it was cold he tricked my
1:09:19 senses somehow some way ice is actually
1:09:21 really hot and fire is actually really
1:09:23 cold you're just being tricked by this
1:09:24 demon even if that was the case not that
1:09:26 he believed in such a demon he was just
1:09:28 saying even if that's the case
1:09:30 i think therefore i am is still true
1:09:34 now
1:09:35 philosophers we objected to this and
1:09:37 famously nietzsche objected to this he
1:09:39 says
1:09:40 i am
1:09:42 excuse me i think is a presupposition
1:09:45 you have never proven that part yet
1:09:48 thoughts are happening to you you didn't
1:09:49 prove that you're the one thinking
1:09:52 and we found the flaw in his supposed at
1:09:55 the time perfect
1:09:58 truism
1:10:00 his one unimpensable truth was
1:10:02 penetrated it was broken it shattered
1:10:06 he he was a presupposition i want no
1:10:08 presuppositions paul
1:10:10 i want to be presupposition free
1:10:14 i don't want any rose-tinted glasses
1:10:16 where is this nucleus where is it we're
1:10:18 looking for it we're digging we're
1:10:19 digging we're digging and we came to
1:10:21 this point of awareness
1:10:23 now take away this point because that's
1:10:25 presupposition
1:10:27 and what is there left
1:10:29 there's this one thing
1:10:31 left
1:10:34 you can't deny awareness
1:10:36 you can deny that this thing called paul
1:10:38 is having this awareness you don't know
1:10:39 this paul thing you would never put in a
1:10:41 testament we said paul is a concept paul
1:10:43 is a metaphor
1:10:45 it's all what is this thing we have
1:10:48 direct contact with naked truth
1:10:51 this one awareness this one awareness
1:10:53 paul has always been always will be it's
1:10:55 eternal it cannot be grasped by your
1:10:57 hands nor your mathematics nor your
1:10:58 logic cannot be put in the test tube yet
1:11:00 however it is blindingly obvious and you
1:11:03 cannot look away from it when everything
1:11:05 has perished there will remain the face
1:11:07 of allah this thing out there and allah
1:11:10 refers to himself as a thing in the
1:11:11 quran so it's not it's okay to say allah
1:11:13 is a thing
1:11:14 this thing out there everything is
1:11:17 nested within it nothing encompasses it
1:11:19 and it encompasses everything now you
1:11:22 understand when you reread the
1:11:24 surat class
1:11:26 you will understand that allah is giving
1:11:28 you
1:11:29 his exact
1:11:31 description
1:11:33 it's a natural religion i verify the
1:11:35 quran by what's innate in me
1:11:38 when i read the quran i can verify now
1:11:41 now that i have discovered this nucleus
1:11:43 the death of all paradigms which is
1:11:45 expressed as
1:11:47 now i can go back into the world and i
1:11:49 can bring back
1:11:51 mathematical logic scientific logic
1:11:53 historical logic
1:11:55 now look i tell you
1:11:57 you told me earlier when we first spoke
1:11:59 that you didn't believe i drew a squared
1:12:02 circle
1:12:03 you didn't believe it paul but you know
1:12:05 what that had a lot to do with faith
1:12:09 it had a lot to do with this is a you
1:12:11 didn't believe it is it's a gift from
1:12:13 allah let me tell you why
1:12:16 aristotle said
1:12:20 guys i have to teach you all this the
1:12:22 law of non-contradiction this is
1:12:23 aristotle said
1:12:24 it cannot both be the case
1:12:27 that a proposition is both true and
1:12:29 false at the same time
1:12:32 imagine
1:12:34 imagine
1:12:35 i said to you i don't believe in the law
1:12:37 of non-contradiction
1:12:39 and i tell you paul i love coffee and
1:12:41 then you offer me a coffee and i say
1:12:42 what are you talking about i don't drink
1:12:43 coffee i hate coffee
1:12:45 it's both true that i love coffee and
1:12:46 that i hate coffee
1:12:48 you become
1:12:49 mad interactive with me that's what
1:12:50 aristotle says if somebody doesn't
1:12:52 accept the law of non-contradiction i
1:12:53 refuse to debate with it i refuse to
1:12:55 speak with him
1:12:57 if you ask me here are you taller than
1:12:59 six feet tall i say yes
1:13:01 and then you tell me do you like
1:13:03 basketball no i'm too short i'm i'm not
1:13:05 six feet tall if i was six feet tall i
1:13:07 would like it i keep contradicting
1:13:08 myself
1:13:10 then you would aristotle just washes his
1:13:12 hands from you he says look i won't if
1:13:14 you don't accept the law of
1:13:15 non-contradiction i won't debate i won't
1:13:17 speak with you i won't interact with you
1:13:18 etc now ask your paul how do you know
1:13:21 the law of non-contradiction
1:13:22 you actually have an innate belief
1:13:25 for you cannot explain the law of not
1:13:27 now he says it's self-evident i can't
1:13:29 explain it i just accept it it's an
1:13:30 axiom
1:13:32 you're innate you're you know the law of
1:13:34 non-contradiction innately what's what
1:13:37 supports the law of non-contradiction
1:13:39 your innate belief there's a there's a
1:13:40 great video about a young girl
1:13:42 i think she's like four or five years
1:13:43 old and they're talking to her about
1:13:44 jesus and they're like and then jesus
1:13:46 learned about god and then she objects
1:13:48 she says wait a second jesus is god how
1:13:50 can he learn about god
1:13:53 her intuition
1:13:55 is telling her you told me p and now
1:13:57 you're saying not p
1:13:59 proposition is true and untrue at the
1:14:01 same time she she went back she said no
1:14:03 wait a second her fitnah was shining
1:14:05 Music
1:14:07 she was never taught the law of
1:14:08 non-contradiction
1:14:10 but her intuition is telling her
1:14:13 because where is the law of
1:14:14 non-contradiction written
1:14:17 we discovered it within ourselves
1:14:19 it's innate
1:14:21 all your beliefs paul in the end are
1:14:23 innate
1:14:25 your belief in the law of
1:14:26 non-contradiction
1:14:28 we say self-explanatory what does that
1:14:30 mean
1:14:30 what does it mean self-explanatory
1:14:33 don't ask what does it mean
1:14:35 it means hey i have this deep inner
1:14:37 faith that this is true i'm drawn to it
1:14:39 it's my natural disposition
1:14:42 now look at your faith in science
1:14:44 science we said earlier we put it in a
1:14:46 nutshell
1:14:47 because remember we said math okay
1:14:49 mathematical truth law of
1:14:50 non-contradiction you know that innately
1:14:52 paul
1:14:53 it's a gift from allah
1:14:54 we cannot i cannot explain to you this
1:14:56 axiom we go by faith
1:15:00 it's self-evident to us because we are
1:15:02 predisposed for it to be self-evident
1:15:04 animals in the animal kingdom they have
1:15:06 no idea of the law of non-contradiction
1:15:08 that child when they were telling her
1:15:10 jesus learned about god she said wait a
1:15:12 second
1:15:13 he is god you told me he is god he's
1:15:16 this proposition is true how could this
1:15:18 one now be true they don't her in her
1:15:20 fit that are shining
1:15:24 now what about your faith in science
1:15:26 science is the faith that the future
1:15:28 will behave like the past allah is
1:15:30 telling you look at the cycles of night
1:15:31 and day
1:15:33 you're so certain of this cycle
1:15:36 but it's really just a faith
1:15:38 actually if i object to science
1:15:41 the scientific world starts to they
1:15:42 start to attack me personally they hate
1:15:45 me not only they don't like me they hate
1:15:47 me i'm not a listen i'm the biggest
1:15:49 believer in science i have a strong
1:15:50 faith in science but my faith in science
1:15:52 is
1:15:53 i have a faith that the future will
1:15:54 behave like the past i understand
1:15:55 science philosophically
1:15:57 philosopher first developed the
1:15:59 scientific method
1:16:00 not just
1:16:02 some scientists follow the scientific
1:16:04 method blindly they're trained in that
1:16:05 method they don't understand the inner
1:16:07 workings of that method
1:16:10 and i'm very open to have a discussion
1:16:12 with any scientific expert out there
1:16:14 anybody in the world
1:16:16 bring me i'll have a nice civil
1:16:17 discussion and let's look at the the
1:16:19 inner workings of science how was it
1:16:21 developed why is it the way it is we
1:16:23 could talk about from we can we could
1:16:25 talk about from socrates from the
1:16:27 pre-socratics all the way to
1:16:30 uh
1:16:32 uh
1:16:33 popper okay we can go from pre-socratics
1:16:36 to popper i'm more than happy to
1:16:40 your faith in the cycle your faith in
1:16:43 science
1:16:46 is you have a you have this deep fitra
1:16:48 your fitra is telling you the future is
1:16:49 going to behave like the past allah is
1:16:50 telling you look you came from death
1:16:54 paul when you if i tell you
1:16:56 i woke up at 7 00 p.m not 6 59 p.m
1:16:59 excuse me if i tell you i woke up at 7
1:17:00 a.m and not 6 59 a.m
1:17:06 that means that 6 59 a.m i was what
1:17:09 asleep
1:17:10 i was asleep i cannot wake up at 7 if i
1:17:13 was already woke at 6 59 correct correct
1:17:17 if i tell you i grew taller i used to be
1:17:19 five foot seven and i grew to five foot
1:17:21 ten
1:17:22 if i tell you i grew that means before i
1:17:24 was shorter
1:17:28 if i tell you i got stronger that means
1:17:29 before i was weaker
1:17:31 if i tell you i now run faster it's
1:17:33 because i used to run slower
1:17:35 correct correct
1:17:37 one thing is generated by the other if i
1:17:39 told you i die i'm dying it's because
1:17:42 i'm alive i when i die i had to be alive
1:17:45 to die
1:17:46 correct
1:17:48 when i was born when i came to life what
1:17:50 was i before
1:17:54 in a state of non-existence
1:17:56 whatever it is you want to call it paul
1:17:58 that's what i tell atheists whatever you
1:17:59 want to call it but you weren't alive
1:18:01 you came from death you came from
1:18:04 non-existence allah is telling in the
1:18:05 quran like i brought you once from the
1:18:07 dust
1:18:08 i'm going to send you back to the dust
1:18:10 and the cycle will repeat your fitra is
1:18:13 screaming yes this is true
1:18:15 this miracle happened already you know
1:18:17 if we were a picture of this thought
1:18:19 experiment imagine i'm sitting with
1:18:22 uh we're just observing the world as
1:18:24 intellects
1:18:26 we're not in the world which observing
1:18:27 the dunya as intellects and we're seeing
1:18:29 the causal chain of things happen and
1:18:32 we predict that some of us predict that
1:18:34 life one day will come to be and some
1:18:35 say no there's just dead matter in the
1:18:37 world there's just chemistry and physics
1:18:39 there is no life
1:18:40 there is no uh genie in the bottle and
1:18:43 then one day lo and behold there's human
1:18:46 beings not robots human beings not
1:18:48 sticks and stones not physics physics
1:18:50 and chemistry this thing where
1:18:53 you and me we have this divine
1:18:56 element within us the fingerprint of god
1:18:58 or the sign of god within us
1:19:00 not that we share in divinity at all i
1:19:02 don't believe we are one with god some
1:19:04 people say we're one with god no it's
1:19:05 not one where allah is one and we
1:19:07 observe him
1:19:09 we are passive observers of the truth we
1:19:12 are metaphors that are observing the
1:19:14 literal truth
1:19:17 so
1:19:19 in this
1:19:21 in this paradigm
1:19:24 where scientific truths are also a type
1:19:27 of faith that the future will behave
1:19:28 like the past yeah historical truth are
1:19:30 also historical here's the thing with
1:19:32 the quran okay when it comes to history
1:19:34 the quran says something
1:19:36 he he really gives a beautiful
1:19:38 explanation of the quran now look look
1:19:39 at the quran okay
1:19:42 the quran tells you you weren't there
1:19:44 when the his stories of muhammad ali
1:19:46 would not know the stories of the past
1:19:48 if allah didn't inform him it says in
1:19:50 the quran you would not have known you
1:19:52 don't know history you don't have
1:19:54 supreme uh sherlock holmes level of
1:19:56 abduction and you figured out what
1:19:58 happened in the past no no no we had to
1:19:59 inform you
1:20:00 however when the quran says something
1:20:02 about history azalea is asking how do we
1:20:04 know it's true how does the fitra tell
1:20:06 us that's true well think about the
1:20:08 story of
1:20:09 because remember when we read the quran
1:20:11 we're supposed to do it through the lens
1:20:12 of the fitra then everything makes sense
1:20:16 so for instance notice uh the story of
1:20:19 jesus jesus salaam he makes birds of
1:20:21 clay he breathes into them and they
1:20:24 become alive
1:20:26 now that's happened in the in history
1:20:30 but it's more than
1:20:31 it's not just the story that happened in
1:20:33 the time and place it's also there's a
1:20:35 theological truth
1:20:38 like allah he made adam through clay and
1:20:40 breathed into him his rule and he made
1:20:42 him alive
1:20:43 jesus sort of does that with the birds
1:20:47 but the quran tells you by permission of
1:20:49 allah yeah
1:20:51 so jesus is not god that there's a
1:20:53 theological i can confirm you that truth
1:20:55 right now even though i wasn't a witness
1:20:57 to that event
1:20:58 and said
1:21:00 it's true theologically
1:21:02 it's also true historically but you can
1:21:05 only affirm the theological truth of
1:21:07 course we take
1:21:08 the historical truth by way of
1:21:11 authority the quran is telling us we
1:21:12 accept the authority of the quran of
1:21:14 course
1:21:15 but also there's a theological truth
1:21:16 that my fitrah can now
1:21:19 can now
1:21:21 verify can now acknowledge there's a
1:21:24 theological truth the whole quran the
1:21:26 whole quran is speaking to you
1:21:28 through your inductive reasoning through
1:21:30 your
1:21:31 analytical reasoning but most of all
1:21:33 through your intuitive
1:21:35 direct experience of the fitra
1:21:39 which atheists would refer to probably
1:21:41 as the heart problem of consciousness
1:21:47 sorry for my rant paul i uh
1:21:49 i sometimes get on the roll
1:21:51 absolutely feel free to shut me up
1:21:53 feel free to shut me up when i talk
1:21:54 another
1:21:59 thank you uh thank you for that so the
1:22:01 fitra is the the key cognitive faculty
1:22:04 it's the way we perceive the world it's
1:22:06 a god-given faculty
1:22:07 it's through that we uh appreciate it
1:22:10 can i ask you
1:22:11 i'm sorry can we just pause for one
1:22:12 second i gotta go check on my
1:22:19 yes so uh thank you for that as i was
1:22:22 just saying um if i've understood you uh
1:22:24 correctly that the fitra this concept in
1:22:27 the quran and the the sunnah
1:22:28 is like a cognitive faculty it's a way a
1:22:31 god-given way that we apprehend
1:22:33 the world the truth of our existence as
1:22:35 created beings and uh right and wrong
1:22:38 the sense of justice and justice even
1:22:41 the sense of this law of
1:22:42 non-contradiction which you say is just
1:22:44 because it's kind of not written there
1:22:45 in the universe it's not anywhere out
1:22:47 there is it as you say it's but it's in
1:22:49 our nature it's innate it's in our fitra
1:22:51 and another evidence of our created
1:22:54 status as creatures of god if i've
1:22:56 understood you correctly and i
1:22:57 and you seem to locate that as the
1:23:00 the surest route to
1:23:02 certainty epistemological certainty
1:23:04 epistemology being obviously the unders
1:23:06 uh the theory of knowledge how we how we
1:23:08 as human beings understand things how we
1:23:11 come to know things
1:23:12 that that's the surest route to uh
1:23:15 um knowledge of the truth about
1:23:17 ourselves and life god in the universe
1:23:20 um is that broadly what you're saying
1:23:23 i would say brother yes yes very good
1:23:25 accurate description it's something you
1:23:27 know directly
1:23:29 yes remember it's it's the missing
1:23:30 ingredient remember we talked about paul
1:23:32 2.0 he's missing an ingredient
1:23:36 absolutely absolutely that ingredient
1:23:38 that ingredient you have direct
1:23:41 experience with this ingredient
1:23:45 john sterl says turn on cyril he says
1:23:47 can you imagine a zombie
1:23:50 we say yeah he says that's proof of your
1:23:52 consciousness because
1:23:54 a zombie is human being minus
1:23:56 consciousness
1:23:57 mind is that thing
1:23:59 that thing
1:24:02 it doesn't belong to you
1:24:05 it doesn't belong to you
1:24:07 when you say allahu akbar when you pray
1:24:09 you say allah you're this is a the
1:24:11 gesture is i'm taking the dunya and i'm
1:24:13 chucking it behind me
1:24:15 yeah quite quite literally and the
1:24:17 the self is the dunya the i
1:24:20 the me
1:24:22 this thing
1:24:23 i am me my personality it's all metaphor
1:24:27 when i was in the womb i was incubated
1:24:29 in the fitrah i didn't know my name i
1:24:32 didn't develop an ego yet i hadn't known
1:24:34 the dunya
1:24:35 all i knew was this awareness and i was
1:24:38 that's why the prophet alaihis tells us
1:24:40 all children were born muslim before the
1:24:43 quran the quran tells you tell the
1:24:45 christians
1:24:46 tell the people of the book
1:24:48 that abraham was upon the truth before
1:24:50 the scriptures
1:24:53 you were born with a natural religion
1:24:55 you don't need
1:24:56 somebody to tell you about allah
1:24:59 now of course there's many things about
1:25:00 our deen we were taught and informed
1:25:02 absolutely yes
1:25:04 but to verify your deen to verify the
1:25:07 truth
1:25:08 when you read the quran the quran the
1:25:10 islam is a natural religion and a
1:25:12 revealed religion this is what the quran
1:25:14 is teaching us
1:25:17 you're making a point here it seems that
1:25:19 uh some calam theologians seem to say
1:25:23 when we talk about before we talk about
1:25:24 god we've got to establish his existence
1:25:26 by the exercise of reason by logical
1:25:28 proofs whatever they may be but you're
1:25:31 saying no actually this belief is prior
1:25:34 to reason it is instinctive it gives us
1:25:36 that direct apprehension of the divine
1:25:39 and so you're you're more in agreement
1:25:41 with actually ibn samir than kalam theo
1:25:44 theology in that sense because his
1:25:45 immaterial had a huge emphasis on the
1:25:48 fifth uh in his writing he hugely
1:25:50 elaborated this uh perhaps more than any
1:25:52 other um muslim theologian uh but in
1:25:55 that sense you're uh you're with him
1:25:57 rather than the the more formal well we
1:25:59 got to demonstrate god's existence
1:26:01 rationally before we can speak about
1:26:03 prophets revelation and so on and but i
1:26:06 agree with you that is the quran's
1:26:08 teaching in surah 30 verse 30 i think it
1:26:11 is
1:26:12 i i believe that there are two ways to
1:26:13 allah reason rationale
1:26:16 and it's not haram i don't believe it's
1:26:17 haram and i want to make a point to make
1:26:19 sure that muslims should never state
1:26:21 philosophy is haram
1:26:22 never this it's a great
1:26:25 misconception you know when ghazali
1:26:26 wrote the destruction of the
1:26:28 philosophers or the foot it means the
1:26:30 slip up he didn't say philosophy is
1:26:32 haram he's talking about the blind
1:26:34 followers of aristotle yeah to blindly
1:26:37 follow somebody is haram yes not reason
1:26:40 philosophy is just a word for
1:26:41 formal logic if you say philosophy is
1:26:43 talam say arithmetic is
1:26:45 say mathematics is haram then go all the
1:26:47 way say geometries
1:26:50 read the quran carefully the quran tells
1:26:52 you use your logic use your reason
1:26:54 contemplate think deeply muslims don't
1:26:56 think deeply enough that's the true
1:26:57 issue they don't read the quran and they
1:26:59 don't contemplate it enough they read
1:27:00 the quran and they just verbalize it
1:27:03 no no no it's okay to have a spiritual
1:27:06 experience
1:27:07 islam is about spirituality islam is
1:27:10 about
1:27:11 an innate inner experience there is no
1:27:14 greater experience there is no greater
1:27:16 human experience there is no greater if
1:27:19 you came in the world and you did
1:27:21 everything but have this one experience
1:27:22 you've wasted your time sorry one second
1:27:24 my daughter
1:27:26 come say hello
1:27:30 you lost your tooth yes come say hi to
1:27:32 paul come say hi to paul
1:27:35 hi paul
1:27:36 says hello
1:27:40 oh
1:27:41 oh
1:27:43 yeah let's go play
1:27:51 Laughter
1:27:57 how sweet
1:28:00 that's my precious there
1:28:02 he is precious yeah
1:28:04 thank you so yeah we're saying uh
1:28:06 forgive me i forget don't worry that was
1:28:08 much more important yeah
1:28:10 i know you're
1:28:12 having experience uh that was the only
1:28:14 experience we had in life um yes yes
1:28:16 this is this is the most important thing
1:28:18 it's an open secret you know angela says
1:28:21 it's a secret of secrets it's like this
1:28:23 thing it's it's it's there we all see it
1:28:25 however
1:28:27 because we can't grasp it we can't point
1:28:28 to it you know everything in the world
1:28:30 you ever learned paul when you were a
1:28:32 kid we showed you a dog we said the word
1:28:34 dog every time you saw that object we
1:28:36 pointed to it you associated the word
1:28:38 dog with a four-legged animal
1:28:40 everything you learned about the dunya
1:28:41 when we showed you the color red we made
1:28:43 the sound red we say paul we call this
1:28:45 red and every time we saw you read
1:28:47 object we said the word red you
1:28:48 associated the word red with this color
1:28:51 everything in the universe
1:28:54 everything you've learned except one
1:28:55 thing
1:28:58 when we talk to you about consciousness
1:28:59 the mind there was we didn't point to
1:29:00 anything
1:29:03 this is what sometimes philosophers
1:29:04 refer to as the beetle in the box you
1:29:06 have a box and nobody can look inside
1:29:08 your box you open the box you see a
1:29:09 beetle i have a box nobody can look
1:29:11 inside it i open it i have a beetle and
1:29:13 everybody's got this box but nobody we
1:29:15 can't look into each other's boxes
1:29:16 that's that's the mind right
1:29:18 this open secret the secret of secrets
1:29:21 you paul are directly experiencing the
1:29:24 mind but i never pointed to it
1:29:26 i never put in a test tube i never
1:29:27 deduced it logically
1:29:29 allah is beyond this grasp allah tells
1:29:32 you reflect on your hearing and your
1:29:34 seeing reflect on your senses allah is
1:29:36 not something you see with the eye allah
1:29:37 gave you seeing
1:29:39 allah is the one who gives seeing allah
1:29:41 is the awareness
1:29:42 allah is the all-aware actually
1:29:45 everything you've ever said or done is
1:29:47 encompassed in this awareness you think
1:29:49 you've escaped you think you've done and
1:29:51 nothing is nothing is ever lost it's
1:29:53 always in this one awareness
1:29:56 you know think about somebody who's
1:29:57 dreaming okay
1:30:00 the
1:30:02 the dream
1:30:03 the dream itself is not as real as the
1:30:06 dreamer
1:30:07 it's a byproduct of the dreamer
1:30:10 we are metaphors in a dream so to speak
1:30:14 so to speak we are contingent things
1:30:17 there but there has to be an unex you
1:30:19 know there has to be one thing that is
1:30:22 objective
1:30:24 there has to be a one thing that is
1:30:26 objective
1:30:28 and we are all metaphor this is what
1:30:30 gazelle ultimately reaches in in the in
1:30:32 the
1:30:33 in the
1:30:34 in the
1:30:36 niche of lights he ends up telling
1:30:38 revealing his his conclusions
1:30:41 that in the end all human beings are
1:30:43 metaphor all things that dunya is a
1:30:45 metaphor every ultimately speaking
1:30:47 ultimately and allah is objective in a
1:30:49 category by himself and this is known
1:30:51 via direct experience but only once you
1:30:53 strip every idol
1:30:56 see islam yes it
1:30:59 it destroyed the idols yes
1:31:01 the meccan idols yes but we had to keep
1:31:03 going that was a direction there are
1:31:04 many more idols to slay there are many
1:31:06 more idols of the mind of projection
1:31:08 etcetera if you read kant if you
1:31:09 graduate to kant you know can't he wrote
1:31:11 on his thesis
1:31:15 i guarantee you he read muslim
1:31:17 philosophy
1:31:18 because gazelli
1:31:20 and many other muslim takers not just
1:31:22 gazelli they understood these things as
1:31:26 projections of the mind
1:31:28 and you know i did a little i tried to
1:31:30 research why would can't write bismillah
1:31:32 why would he write the the
1:31:34 the opening sentence of every verse in
1:31:36 the quran save one why would he write
1:31:38 something so muslim unmistakably muslim
1:31:41 and i i you know as i did my research i
1:31:43 realized that he was contemporaries with
1:31:45 gote and he might have been very
1:31:47 influenced by gote gate was the german
1:31:49 shakespeare and he
1:31:51 loves the quran
1:31:54 he says actually it's our duty to
1:31:55 believe in the quran he actually wrote a
1:31:56 poem about the prophet an amazing poem
1:31:58 about how the po how the prophet is a
1:32:00 gushing spring on a mountain meaning
1:32:02 he's unstoppable and everything benefits
1:32:05 from him trickling down the mountain and
1:32:06 it's
1:32:07 try to stop a gushing spring try to
1:32:09 reverse that it's impossible his
1:32:10 momentum is irresistible he gives a
1:32:13 beautiful poem about the prophet
1:32:16 and this in my opinion probably got kant
1:32:19 interested in muslim philosophy and of
1:32:21 course his
1:32:22 his ideas
1:32:25 reflect a lot of what muslim thinkers
1:32:27 said in the past
1:32:30 these are things are projection of the
1:32:32 mind essentially i didn't realize he was
1:32:33 a contempt haven't connected him with
1:32:35 goethe and uh i'd often wondered why the
1:32:37 in his phd thesis right at the top it
1:32:39 should have in arabic the bismillah
1:32:42 is really
1:32:43 jarring until you perhaps look into his
1:32:45 you know what he would have known goethe
1:32:47 as you say who some people think was
1:32:48 actually a muslim a closet muslim anyway
1:32:51 yes yeah i think there's no doubt he was
1:32:52 muslim even though he was highly frowned
1:32:54 upon to be muslim it's not extremely
1:32:56 hard
1:32:57 yeah so he was without a doubt
1:32:59 he was without a doubt in my opinion
1:33:02 yeah i have no doubt he was muslim yeah
1:33:04 but many people say that he was the
1:33:06 evidence yeah
1:33:07 do you have any type of popular
1:33:09 objections you think atheists would
1:33:10 bring about about
1:33:12 to what we've said
1:33:14 well um there's a great deal i mean i'm
1:33:17 basically in sympathy with the idealist
1:33:19 perspective which i think is where
1:33:20 you're coming from so you mentioned
1:33:21 bishop berkeley
1:33:22 uh and and that tradition of idealism um
1:33:26 which we see up to people today people
1:33:28 like professor keith ward who i've
1:33:29 spoken to on my channel from oxford
1:33:31 he's one of the leading exponents of
1:33:33 idealism and um
1:33:35 you know they use they used to be
1:33:36 mainstream uh actually this used to be
1:33:38 the the dominant paradigm in philosophy
1:33:40 in universities in the west um it's not
1:33:42 now material when i studied philosophy
1:33:44 university
1:33:45 um in london you know analytical
1:33:48 materialism was the norm you know
1:33:50 religion was certainly never mentioned
1:33:53 and consciousness was an epic phenomena
1:33:55 it was a a byproduct of a physical brain
1:33:58 and i remember doing a class on the
1:34:00 philosophy of mind at ucl university
1:34:02 college in london here and um
1:34:04 and you know it was all about how do we
1:34:06 apprehend a patch of pink you know that
1:34:09 was the example he gave and it was like
1:34:11 really difficult to describe how the
1:34:13 mind could comprehend pink i thought
1:34:15 dude you if you have a problem with that
1:34:16 how are you going to get how are you
1:34:18 going to understand you know
1:34:20 barks mass in b minor at that time i was
1:34:22 a christian barks mass in b minor or
1:34:24 great works of art you know you you
1:34:27 don't stand a chance with your paradigm
1:34:30 which was materialist reductionist it
1:34:33 it has roots in the material processes
1:34:36 of the brain and even then as a
1:34:37 christian i understood that this was not
1:34:39 going to work and we needed a paradigm
1:34:41 shift which funnily enough is the name
1:34:43 of
1:34:44 thomas kuhn's book the structure of
1:34:46 scientific revolutions which i think you
1:34:47 referred to in a previous video
1:34:49 important book very important book um
1:34:51 he's a he's a guy at um mit i think a
1:34:54 philosopher that professor of philosophy
1:34:56 of religion and this whole thing of
1:34:57 struc of paradigm shifts the complete
1:34:59 revolutions in our world views that
1:35:01 we've been through in science whether it
1:35:03 be from uh newton from aristotle to
1:35:05 newton to einstein to whatever's going
1:35:08 to come next
1:35:09 we go through these revolutions
1:35:11 the reason i mention that is because
1:35:13 even then as an undergraduate sitting in
1:35:14 my philosophy of mine class i thought we
1:35:17 need a paradigm shift this ain't working
1:35:19 you can't pull yourself up by the
1:35:21 bootstraps
1:35:23 if you're trying to understand
1:35:24 consciousness like that you need to have
1:35:25 a top-down approach to use a different
1:35:27 metaphor
1:35:29 which gives priority to mind to
1:35:32 consciousness
1:35:33 um
1:35:34 as the origin of
1:35:36 the physical
1:35:38 which ultimately of course means the
1:35:39 mind the divine the god himself
1:35:42 um so i i'm completely idealist i'm i'm
1:35:45 with you on that and um which is why i
1:35:47 think the the the quran as you rightly
1:35:49 say it
1:35:50 is fits uh perfectly with the natural
1:35:53 disposition the heart that with our
1:35:56 hearts it's not how did allah say what
1:35:58 did how did allah create the world he
1:36:01 said be
1:36:03 he created with the word
1:36:06 be
1:36:08 he wasn't taking this lump of this or
1:36:11 this slump of that he said a word
1:36:14 what do words what what are words
1:36:18 what are words words are things of mind
1:36:22 be
1:36:25 is a word
1:36:27 think about that
1:36:28 allah started the dunya with a word
1:36:32 the first thing he created is a pen
1:36:34 to me i understand it as symbolizing
1:36:36 determinism which you could talk about
1:36:38 it maybe also as well if you wish
1:36:41 but a pen
1:36:43 this is
1:36:44 this is activity of the mind
1:36:48 allah said be
1:36:50 there are three possibilities either the
1:36:53 whole world is just
1:36:54 atoms in the void okay now the void we
1:36:57 can debate exactly what i mean some some
1:36:59 scientists when they say void they don't
1:37:00 actually mean emptiness they mean like
1:37:02 this that's another topic for another
1:37:03 day let's not get on a tangent there's
1:37:05 either just
1:37:07 chemistry and physics material stuff or
1:37:11 there's only idea
1:37:13 or there's a dualism the two
1:37:15 there's part physics and part idea
1:37:19 now me i like what the
1:37:21 ivan arabi says he says look i'm not
1:37:22 going to ask i'm not going to try to
1:37:23 figure that out i'm just going to say
1:37:24 they're seen and unseen
1:37:27 there's the observed world and then
1:37:29 there's this inner world of the mind i'm
1:37:30 not going to say which if it's actually
1:37:32 physical because the thing is
1:37:34 physical the word physical or
1:37:36 materialism is another god it's another
1:37:38 false god so for instance
1:37:41 you see this pen
1:37:43 and you see this coffee cup
1:37:45 what do they have in common
1:37:47 well you're gonna your mind's gonna tell
1:37:48 you look connect the two they're made of
1:37:50 this stuff
1:37:53 and this cell phone and every object is
1:37:55 made of this stuff and we're gonna call
1:37:56 it materialism material
1:37:58 that's another ghost you just invented
1:38:00 that that's just another concept it's
1:38:01 another metaphor it's not out there in
1:38:03 the world
1:38:04 it's again another ghost in the mind
1:38:07 when we say kill all the idols we're
1:38:09 talking about the idols in the world and
1:38:11 the ones in the mind and then you will
1:38:12 have an experience
1:38:14 because you just erected another god
1:38:16 think about do forests exist
1:38:19 forest is just a word for a number of
1:38:21 trees that i can't count
1:38:23 forest is a universal forest just means
1:38:26 hey there's a bunch of trees out there i
1:38:27 don't know the exact number
1:38:31 there's not something forest i can grab
1:38:33 and put in my hand no it's just an
1:38:34 expression but we take them as literal
1:38:36 things out there that's why the cronies
1:38:38 keep telling you do you think these
1:38:40 things can harm you or benefit you
1:38:42 you're projecting them on to the world
1:38:48 sorry yeah one of one of the examples
1:38:50 um
1:38:51 about the laws of nature the laws of
1:38:53 physics the laws of nature
1:38:55 and you say well
1:38:57 these are actually exist they're not
1:38:58 actual laws
1:39:00 these are placeholders i think
1:39:03 they're inferred i would say i like to
1:39:04 refer to them as as uh bookmarks we
1:39:07 bookmark a certain pattern is
1:39:09 irregularity and we bookmarked that look
1:39:11 that happened in the past many times and
1:39:13 now we're bookmarking it yeah and when
1:39:15 we see it again in the future we're
1:39:16 going to refer to it
1:39:17 via that bookmark okay we're marking it
1:39:19 we're giving it a name we're inferring
1:39:21 there's a law that's doing that the
1:39:23 truth of the matter is
1:39:27 gravity randomness
1:39:29 every force it's never been observed
1:39:32 you're observing a pattern yeah and then
1:39:35 you're labeling that pattern and then
1:39:36 you dream up a god that's behind that
1:39:38 pattern so let me give you a for
1:39:39 instance okay
1:39:41 let me give you a for instance imagine i
1:39:43 take a book and you know you fan through
1:39:45 the pages you see a cartoon i draw a
1:39:47 cartoon i draw i draw a picture throwing
1:39:49 a pitch
1:39:51 on each page he's going through the
1:39:53 sequence and then when i flip you know
1:39:54 when you flip through the book you see
1:39:55 like a cartoon in action you know how
1:39:56 cartoons work right they draw one
1:39:58 picture then they draw another picture
1:39:59 and they swipe the picture so fast that
1:40:01 you think there's actual motion
1:40:06 now imagine i put you in the library and
1:40:08 there's
1:40:09 billions of books and you flip through
1:40:11 the pages and you're watching a cartoon
1:40:13 over and over again you're watching
1:40:14 cartoons you're watching cartoons and
1:40:15 you're seeing you're studying these
1:40:16 cards and you're like hey the guy who
1:40:18 wrote this all these books
1:40:20 he's following certain patterns he never
1:40:22 breaks these patterns
1:40:26 and here when he once when somebody
1:40:28 throws something
1:40:29 it falls down to the earth you discover
1:40:31 gravity discover this pattern called
1:40:32 gravity
1:40:34 but to you it's just one image after
1:40:35 another it's just a cartoon there's no
1:40:37 actual law out there in the book no no
1:40:39 no you're just saying look he this this
1:40:41 this designer
1:40:43 this author
1:40:44 this artist
1:40:47 he has this signature in his
1:40:50 designs every book i've read all his
1:40:52 books i've studied them closely if you
1:40:54 give me a new edition of his book i can
1:40:56 tell you look exactly what he's going to
1:40:57 do in this book
1:40:59 i know that as the story goes he won't
1:41:01 break these laws he's never has in the
1:41:02 past this is what allah tells you in the
1:41:04 quran i never change my rules my
1:41:06 patterns
1:41:07 says in the quran allah tell you these
1:41:09 are patterns and i never changed them
1:41:10 but you took them as some other god is
1:41:12 doing them some other deity out there
1:41:15 some other thing that you never observed
1:41:17 you projected it
1:41:20 so if imagine you're in this library and
1:41:23 you're studying this author's work and
1:41:24 you're seeing these patterns over and
1:41:25 over again you would discover every
1:41:27 pattern every law of physics it's all
1:41:29 written in the book but you would never
1:41:30 take it literally
1:41:32 yeah
1:41:34 you would never take it literally you're
1:41:35 like no that's just the way he designs
1:41:36 things that's how the muslim sees the
1:41:37 dunya
1:41:39 yes there are these laws but these laws
1:41:40 are from allah allah controls these laws
1:41:42 allah makes them creates them as such
1:41:45 there's not some alien
1:41:48 force
1:41:49 so for instance i like to give the
1:41:50 catapult experiment i don't know if
1:41:51 you've heard it before but basically
1:41:53 imagine i fire a catapult you know a
1:41:55 catapult like
1:41:56 yeah yeah fire is a projectile
1:41:58 and the projectile lands on a point and
1:42:00 we mark that point as point a
1:42:03 and then we're going to reset the
1:42:04 catapult but this time when we reset the
1:42:06 catapult we're going to do a divine
1:42:08 reset
1:42:09 a perfect control we're going to reset
1:42:12 every blade of grass we're going to
1:42:14 reset every molecule of air we're going
1:42:15 to reset every heavenly body
1:42:18 we're going to
1:42:19 reset every speck of dust
1:42:22 a perfect reset
1:42:24 i'm talking about a divine reset
1:42:26 and we fire the catapult again
1:42:28 is it going to point land on point a or
1:42:31 will it land somewhere else
1:42:33 on a different point
1:42:35 new land exactly the same place
1:42:36 presumably
1:42:37 well if you're if you're a believer in
1:42:39 the throne in physics you'll say yes it
1:42:40 lands at the same point
1:42:42 now where is this randomness force where
1:42:44 is this mysterious force that floats
1:42:46 around in the universe that's affecting
1:42:47 things
1:42:49 you tell me that there's a this random
1:42:51 it's that's because of random no where
1:42:53 is this force randomness is an
1:42:55 expression
1:42:57 that's taken literally
1:42:59 randomness doesn't exist out there
1:43:01 randomness exists in here
1:43:04 you're not able to give me a perfect
1:43:05 reset
1:43:07 you're not able to factor in all the
1:43:10 possible differences every gust of wind
1:43:12 or every deflection of
1:43:14 heavenly bodies slightly pulling in this
1:43:16 direction now and it's slightly you
1:43:18 cannot compute all these variables so
1:43:20 for you it seems there's a force out
1:43:22 there random that's random but actually
1:43:24 it's not there's no actual force
1:43:26 randomness is a expression
1:43:30 randomness exists as an expression that
1:43:32 things are hard to calculate or
1:43:35 get exact in this dunya
1:43:37 in this world
1:43:39 it's not a force out there
1:43:42 it's not a force out there now look
1:43:43 there are other opinions on this
1:43:45 catapult experiment but it will be quite
1:43:46 a tangent but generally speaking
1:43:50 99 of people will agree that it lands on
1:43:52 the same point just like you trust the
1:43:55 laws of physics just like you trust
1:43:56 newtonian physics
1:44:00 you trust that randomness doesn't exist
1:44:04 as as much as newtonian physics is true
1:44:07 as much as scientific physics is as much
1:44:10 as science is true
1:44:11 that's how true randomness doesn't exist
1:44:14 it's a it's equivalent they come hand in
1:44:16 hand randomness is a byproduct it's an
1:44:19 illusion of the mind it's another deity
1:44:22 it's another obstacle between you and
1:44:24 direct observation of allah me
1:44:27 personally have no i have no objection
1:44:29 to science at all i have no objection
1:44:31 even to evolution
1:44:33 at all and i i ask any muslim to bring
1:44:35 me what objections they actually have
1:44:37 except their their claim for randomness
1:44:41 the quran calls allah the selector when
1:44:44 when neil degrasse tyson tells me that
1:44:46 one bear had a genetic mutation
1:44:50 and that bear was born white
1:44:52 that whiteness of his helped him be
1:44:53 camouflaged in the arctic hence the
1:44:56 polar bear later on i'm giving you in a
1:44:58 nutshell his explanation hence the polar
1:45:00 bear had a hunting advantage because
1:45:02 he's white he's hiding in the snow and
1:45:03 therefore he thrived in nature in the in
1:45:06 the arctic areas that's how we went from
1:45:08 brown bear to white bear polar bear
1:45:12 he says it's a random mutation
1:45:16 that's that's his interpretation i'll
1:45:18 interpret the same facts i'll i will
1:45:21 notice the mutation i will say it's
1:45:23 purposeful allah selected that mutation
1:45:26 allah is the selector allah selects
1:45:28 which animal is mutated
1:45:31 for his benefit and which one is mutated
1:45:33 to die which one will thrive which one
1:45:35 will die and there's a wisdom between
1:45:36 both
1:45:38 his interpretation
1:45:40 is that it's a copying mistake
1:45:44 i tell i will tell you the question if
1:45:46 you believe in a blind process blind
1:45:48 processes don't make mistakes
1:45:52 that's a human interpretation you would
1:45:54 say look it's supposed to be like this
1:45:56 like a human said you can't get an
1:45:58 ought from an is
1:46:00 it should have been it ought to have
1:46:01 been no no now you're talking you're
1:46:02 invoking god now
1:46:04 hume told atheists look be careful don't
1:46:06 say ut to be
1:46:08 it is this way don't take ut once you
1:46:11 say uh
1:46:11 you're you're bringing us in theology
1:46:14 you neil degrasse tyson saying look
1:46:16 it mutated it's a mistake that actually
1:46:19 turned out to be good
1:46:20 that's human interpretation
1:46:22 i don't see it as a mistake
1:46:24 i'm a hard determinist
1:46:27 if you're a hard determinist which is
1:46:29 the most hardcore sign the most hardcore
1:46:31 atheists are deterministic
1:46:32 in philosophy we say you either agree
1:46:34 with determinism or you don't understand
1:46:36 it
1:46:38 there is no alternate option it's not a
1:46:41 mistake it's not a muta it's not a
1:46:44 random mutation there's no randomness
1:46:45 this was the design of allah this is how
1:46:48 allah chose for it to be
1:46:50 you are projecting randomness you are
1:46:52 projecting the word mistake this is your
1:46:54 faulty interpretation
1:46:56 there are no random events and there are
1:46:58 no mistakes in the universe there are no
1:47:00 random events and there are no mistakes
1:47:02 now let me give you the death blow to
1:47:04 all
1:47:05 those who say
1:47:08 that there are random events
1:47:10 and that the world is just a cosmic
1:47:12 sneeze
1:47:14 i'm going to give you the death blow
1:47:15 right now okay
1:47:18 if you understand this argument you will
1:47:20 never believe
1:47:22 that we are a cosmic sneeze
1:47:28 this is i want to applaud thomas huxley
1:47:30 for coming also for also reaching this
1:47:32 conclusion an atheist is still atheist
1:47:34 today even though he says look it
1:47:35 doesn't make sense
1:47:37 what i'm saying doesn't but i he says he
1:47:39 pledges
1:47:40 he pledges to be an atheist for the rest
1:47:42 of his life
1:47:43 for whatever reason
1:47:44 he's never going to change his mind but
1:47:45 even he agrees that this doesn't make
1:47:47 sense
1:47:49 if it's true
1:47:53 that all there is
1:47:55 is
1:47:56 chaos
1:47:57 matter and chaos
1:47:59 random events
1:48:02 mishmash of bump things bumping into
1:48:05 each other
1:48:06 and by the law of big numbers we came to
1:48:08 be
1:48:11 just one universe after another being
1:48:12 created and so happened that we are in
1:48:14 the goldilocks zone and we
1:48:16 so happen to be in the perfect
1:48:17 environment and somehow you have to
1:48:19 grant them some some magic life happened
1:48:22 let's even give them one miracle
1:48:24 let's turn our eyes and say look we'll
1:48:25 even give you one miracle you went from
1:48:27 non-living to living we don't know how
1:48:30 biogenesis happened let's even give them
1:48:32 a miracle and not say that it's a
1:48:34 miracle let's turn the blind eye to the
1:48:35 miracle
1:48:37 let's say they went from paul 2.0 it's
1:48:40 the pinocchio story some magic fairy
1:48:41 came to paul 2.0 and granted him he's a
1:48:43 real man now he's a real boy he has that
1:48:46 thing and we'll turn the blind eye to
1:48:48 that miracle that we granted them things
1:48:50 are just chaos
1:48:52 well guess what
1:48:54 the processes in your mind would also be
1:48:57 random events
1:48:59 the mind is also
1:49:01 if you're telling me materialism is true
1:49:04 and chemistry is true the world is just
1:49:06 chemistry and physics
1:49:07 things bumping into each other around
1:49:09 them why are you having rational
1:49:11 thoughts
1:49:12 your rational thoughts and i love the
1:49:14 fact that thomas
1:49:15 accepts this
1:49:17 he accepts this and he admits to it
1:49:20 because it would mean that all my
1:49:22 thoughts are happening to me i'm not
1:49:24 having thoughts they're happening to me
1:49:27 just like i was born i didn't choose to
1:49:28 be born my parents met and they were
1:49:30 they were they were created by their
1:49:32 parents meeting and they were created by
1:49:34 some cosmic event some cosmic sneeze
1:49:36 it's all one giant random event after
1:49:38 another
1:49:40 but yet you have perfectly ordered
1:49:42 thoughts
1:49:44 you have logical conclusions all my
1:49:46 logical thinking why should i believe
1:49:47 these logical things it's just we're
1:49:49 just making noise
1:49:52 this is all our whole talk right now was
1:49:54 just cosmic noise
1:49:57 cosmic nonsense
1:50:00 all your objections and all your counter
1:50:01 arguments is just
1:50:03 gibber jabber
1:50:05 it destroys the
1:50:07 integrity and reliability of the
1:50:09 scientific method of the law of
1:50:11 non-contradiction of logic of
1:50:13 self-defeating it it completely subverts
1:50:16 everything if you go down that
1:50:17 materialist path for the reasons you've
1:50:19 eloquently outlined exactly it's
1:50:21 self-defeating yeah you've used reason
1:50:24 to say that reason is untrue
1:50:27 and again our fit that says this can't
1:50:28 be the case
1:50:30 yeah our god given we reject this this
1:50:32 is this is
1:50:33 this is a this is the wrong path we have
1:50:35 a fitra within us
1:50:37 and even the atheists have a fitrah and
1:50:39 they follow the fitra when i ask them
1:50:41 why do you believe in law of
1:50:42 non-contradiction he can't explain he
1:50:44 believes it
1:50:45 this is an innate belief
1:50:48 and look at all those who believe who
1:50:50 follow this innate belief that's who put
1:50:53 that's who created medicine engineering
1:50:56 who created all the the good in the
1:50:58 world we had to accept these innate
1:50:59 beliefs
1:51:02 we had to accept these innate beliefs
1:51:03 these gifts from god
1:51:06 we know them directly we see a
1:51:08 contradiction and we reject it
1:51:11 but it's an innate inner experience now
1:51:13 if you tell me that's from a random
1:51:14 event that means everything i'm saying
1:51:16 or doing is jibber jabber it's all a
1:51:20 cosmic
1:51:21 sneeze it's all just
1:51:24 nonsense but we're having a direct
1:51:26 experience
1:51:28 that is true that things are true and
1:51:30 not true we're having a direct
1:51:32 experience you there's no interpreter
1:51:34 between us
1:51:36 and this experience of uh truth this
1:51:39 innate experience of truth there is no
1:51:41 interpreter i think so
1:51:45 i was just going to say that the the
1:51:46 radical skepticism that the atheist
1:51:49 uh focuses
1:51:50 uh on on theism the belief in god
1:51:54 is actually not extended consistently
1:51:56 across the board if he applied his
1:51:57 radical skepticism um to
1:52:00 rationality to science itself to logic
1:52:03 and so on which he doesn't do
1:52:05 it would as you say it would destroy
1:52:07 everything so
1:52:08 the kind of radical skepticism from
1:52:09 atheism is highly selective it's
1:52:12 targeted in one particular area it's not
1:52:14 consistently applied as a methodology as
1:52:17 an epistemology which it should be if it
1:52:19 was a principle
1:52:21 across the board because it would it
1:52:22 would be as you have just said
1:52:24 self-defeating the their their almost
1:52:27 religious or their religious faith in
1:52:29 science would be destroyed and that's
1:52:31 what science atheists believe in science
1:52:33 like some kind of god
1:52:35 to give them all the answers to life the
1:52:37 universe and everything but that would
1:52:38 be fatally undermined if they were to
1:52:41 apply their skepticism across the board
1:52:44 which they don't so that there's an
1:52:46 inconsistency there which uh speaks of
1:52:49 its um incoherence that it's not a
1:52:51 coherent worldview i would suggest
1:52:55 i i totally agree and the thing is you
1:52:56 know science is
1:52:59 it's the new power of the day
1:53:02 science is very influential why because
1:53:03 it's pragmatic it puts a roof over our
1:53:05 head
1:53:06 it puts our enemies in the grave
1:53:08 and it puts
1:53:09 it puts all it gives us the resource
1:53:11 science is great because it's efficient
1:53:13 it it helped us survive and thrive
1:53:17 so they love the dunya so much
1:53:19 they'd say give me more of that they're
1:53:21 not lovers of truth
1:53:23 if they were lovers of truth paul they
1:53:26 would cross-examine science they just
1:53:28 want to just give me that thing that
1:53:30 puts money in my bank account and a roof
1:53:31 over my head and food in my belly
1:53:34 give me that thing that's all it's a
1:53:36 power grab that's why allah tells them
1:53:37 he criticized them you love the dunya
1:53:40 you love the dunya scientists love the
1:53:41 dunya more
1:53:43 more than anybody else
1:53:45 and then they claim oh we love truth no
1:53:47 no if you love truth you would have
1:53:48 become a philosopher you would have
1:53:50 asked hey tell me where did science come
1:53:52 from what are these why is science the
1:53:54 way that you would have asked these
1:53:55 questions
1:53:57 you would have graduated to mystic
1:54:00 you would have had a religious
1:54:01 experience because ultimate truth paul
1:54:03 if you continue you go beyond science
1:54:05 you go beyond logic and you reach the
1:54:06 highest of highs
1:54:09 the highest of highs you reach the veil
1:54:11 of allah you reach the veil of allah you
1:54:13 don't reach allah you reach the veil of
1:54:15 allah you reach the
1:54:18 the
1:54:18 the sign of allah that put allah put a
1:54:20 sign in all of us
1:54:24 allah gave us
1:54:25 a window
1:54:29 allah gave us a window
1:54:31 into direct experience
1:54:33 of
1:54:34 himself if you love truth so much you
1:54:37 climb all the way and you climb that's
1:54:39 why
1:54:40 it's such a beautiful statement it's
1:54:42 negating it negated everything it
1:54:44 doubted every step of the way it reached
1:54:46 all the way to the highest where now
1:54:48 you're in a point of awareness and this
1:54:49 point of awareness encompasses
1:54:51 everything now you can bring back all
1:54:53 the other logics because all the other
1:54:55 logics depend on this secretly remember
1:54:57 we said the law of non-contradiction
1:54:58 it's known innately the science is known
1:55:01 it's the faith that the future will
1:55:02 behave like the past you have an
1:55:04 unbelievable faith that tomorrow the sun
1:55:05 will rise if tomorrow i told you the sun
1:55:07 wouldn't rise you wouldn't believe me in
1:55:09 the least
1:55:11 your faith in this the fact that the sun
1:55:12 will rise tomorrow is so strong allah
1:55:14 you contemplate on that how do you think
1:55:16 you know that i put within you a trust
1:55:20 that if something happens over and over
1:55:21 again you develop a security and a peace
1:55:26 you don't live in a random world where
1:55:27 random things happen
1:55:29 you live in an ordered world
1:55:31 and that calmed you and you know it
1:55:32 innately and you trust paul you you have
1:55:35 no logical reason to believe that the
1:55:36 sun rises tomorrow hume the atheist
1:55:38 wrote a whole a whole essay on this
1:55:40 saying i have no good reason to believe
1:55:42 that the sun rises tomorrow i have no
1:55:44 good logical reason i'm doing it on
1:55:46 animal faith
1:55:49 but yet you you're so certain that
1:55:51 tomorrow you're going to see the sun
1:55:52 rise again that's how certain you should
1:55:54 be in your fitrah
1:55:56 and you only know this because of your
1:55:58 fitrah
1:56:00 not because of your
1:56:01 your deductive powers
1:56:06 you know philosophers we say when you
1:56:07 flip a coin the odds of it landing on
1:56:09 heads is one out of infinity
1:56:12 now when i flip a coin and i put it on
1:56:14 heads tails heads tails i do it 100
1:56:17 times 50 times on tails 50 times on 100.
1:56:19 now you have an experience with with
1:56:22 flipping coins you start to say hey you
1:56:24 know what it can only land on one side
1:56:25 or the
1:56:26 other your your reasoning backwards
1:56:30 however if i erase your your memory
1:56:32 about
1:56:33 flying objects being thrown in the air
1:56:36 and you're seeing a coin being flipped
1:56:37 for the first time
1:56:40 and now i flip the coin it turns to a
1:56:41 butterfly
1:56:43 and i flip another coin turn so every
1:56:44 time and now you see a coin being
1:56:46 flipped it turned into a butterfly you
1:56:48 could it's not an impossibility this is
1:56:50 what we call in philosophy possible
1:56:52 worlds there could be a world out there
1:56:54 that every time you flip a coin turns
1:56:55 into a butterfly and we would have
1:56:56 reason
1:56:57 of course butterflies comes from flipped
1:56:59 coins that's exactly how we know
1:57:02 the dunya
1:57:03 it now i'm giving you a pretty wild
1:57:05 example but we know that dunya
1:57:08 says you see a cotton ball touch a flame
1:57:10 and then you see combustion we didn't
1:57:12 deduce logically combustion we had to
1:57:14 see cotton ball flame combustion we
1:57:17 repeat it cotton ball flame combustion
1:57:20 the first time a human being touched a
1:57:21 flame he burned himself
1:57:24 he knew now fire burns
1:57:26 before that he didn't know he could not
1:57:28 have deduced it logically it's
1:57:30 impossible believe me i can tell you
1:57:32 take this to the bank i'm a i've been
1:57:34 studying epistemology for 20 years i
1:57:36 don't care if you're aristotle and
1:57:37 einstein or what you cannot deduce that
1:57:40 fire burns
1:57:42 until you've burned yourself you know we
1:57:44 say our kid's never going to learn until
1:57:45 he touches the hot pot he'll never
1:57:46 believe us
1:57:50 it's not deducible rationally
1:57:56 but unless you're relying on someone
1:57:57 else's experience and history of being
1:58:00 burned by fire which is it's just the
1:58:02 same thing but extend it to another
1:58:03 person i have to have faith that he's
1:58:04 telling me the truth exactly it's always
1:58:07 based on experience
1:58:09 now the dunya is perfectly ordered
1:58:13 the world is perfectly ordered things
1:58:15 happen in a cycle allah tells you in the
1:58:17 quran all the time look at the cycle the
1:58:19 the earth the grass dies the rain comes
1:58:22 it rains and the earth the grass revives
1:58:24 again
1:58:25 like that i'm going to bring you back to
1:58:26 life
1:58:27 the cycle
1:58:29 notice the cycles in nature
1:58:31 why are you so different why do you
1:58:32 think when you die you're not going to
1:58:34 cycle back to us why
1:58:36 you what you came from the dust you're
1:58:37 going to go back into the desk you think
1:58:39 you're not going to cycle again all
1:58:41 these cycles are happening around you
1:58:45 of life and death
1:58:47 the water all the the whole world is a
1:58:49 cycle after another you see a whole egg
1:58:52 and then you see a scrambled egg and you
1:58:53 ate breakfast and then tomorrow you have
1:58:55 another egg
1:58:56 and this cycle of eggs from whole to
1:58:58 scramble from whole to scramble
1:59:01 you're seeing cycles all around you
1:59:03 every which way
1:59:05 but yet you think that the atheist that
1:59:07 tells oh when you die it's ultimate end
1:59:08 what a foolish thing to say how do you
1:59:10 know
1:59:11 what a universe
1:59:13 a universe in maximum entropy when the
1:59:15 universe is completely destroyed
1:59:18 how do you know what maximum entropy
1:59:20 does to a universe you've never observed
1:59:23 a universe in maximum entropy
1:59:26 when the universe reaches maximum
1:59:28 entropy whatever that may be
1:59:32 how do you know it doesn't start all
1:59:33 over again
1:59:35 you don't know you're hoping it doesn't
1:59:37 start all over again
1:59:39 guys like
1:59:40 famous i don't even want to mention
1:59:42 their name i don't want to make them
1:59:42 more popular in there but atheists when
1:59:44 they say that oh we believe that when we
1:59:46 die it's all over
1:59:49 you're wishing it's all over why because
1:59:52 they love the dunya they want to have
1:59:53 this dunya and not worry about the
1:59:55 consequences
1:59:58 there are leading philosophers i think
2:00:00 it's thomas nakel as a
2:00:02 professor of philosophy uh has said on
2:00:04 record that he he doesn't want god to
2:00:07 exist
2:00:08 uh for his own personal reasons he's
2:00:10 actually desires that the non-existence
2:00:13 of god uh and there are other atheists
2:00:15 have said the same that these are not
2:00:16 people who reach this conclusion through
2:00:18 abstract reasoning they have a profound
2:00:20 need and desire
2:00:22 for god not to exist and they choose not
2:00:24 to believe in his existence
2:00:26 um for their own personal reasons um
2:00:30 moral reasons or other reasons so um and
2:00:33 this is often not not understood that
2:00:35 many atheists actually don't want god to
2:00:37 exist
2:00:38 uh because it will be inconvenient it
2:00:39 would
2:00:40 uh entail moral obligations they don't
2:00:42 want to undertake and so on so it's a a
2:00:46 motivated atheism based on desire rather
2:00:49 than
2:00:49 a more objective
2:00:51 view they want to be the center of
2:00:53 attention when you're an atheist you're
2:00:55 you're the center of your own universe
2:00:57 when you're a theist allah is the center
2:00:59 of the existence yes
2:01:02 it's a type of selfishness
2:01:06 i always tell people the quran tells us
2:01:08 you choose hell allah casts you in hell
2:01:10 yes but you chose hell
2:01:12 you chose to be separated from allah and
2:01:14 being separated from allah is the
2:01:16 greatest hell
2:01:17 if i separated you from your loved ones
2:01:19 you'd think that's hell you're wrong
2:01:21 wait till we separate you from allah
2:01:23 then you will know from what's hell then
2:01:25 you will know what hell is because if
2:01:27 you think being separated from your
2:01:28 loved ones is difficult wait
2:01:30 wait until allah he removes from you all
2:01:32 his mercy
2:01:34 this is the narrative of the quran
2:01:37 allah is the center of our attention
2:01:40 they make atheists want to make
2:01:41 themselves
2:01:43 the pharaoh made himself the center of
2:01:45 attention
2:01:48 so there are theological truths also we
2:01:50 didn't touch on that okay but there are
2:01:51 things the quran is telling you there
2:01:53 are theological truths and you can be
2:01:55 certain of those via your intuition
2:01:58 the story of noah you know
2:02:01 will tell you look it's literally true i
2:02:02 agree with it it's literally true but
2:02:04 there are also
2:02:05 theological truths that we can verify
2:02:08 the historical truth i take it on faith
2:02:11 i'm not even interested in go out
2:02:13 archaeology and try to figure it out i'm
2:02:14 not even interested in that i don't
2:02:15 think it's maybe i don't have the powers
2:02:17 of abduction i don't think even all of
2:02:19 humanity can figure it out we don't know
2:02:21 what happened in the past i think there
2:02:22 are many things we assumed that happened
2:02:23 in the past but we're actually wrong and
2:02:25 you know we're gonna have another
2:02:26 scientific revolution like we've had
2:02:27 many
2:02:30 and lo and behold i'm going to be
2:02:31 surprised like the rest of us
2:02:33 i don't have such a high regard for
2:02:35 human intellect i think human intellect
2:02:37 is great it's a valiant pursuit but i
2:02:39 don't trust even my own logic
2:02:42 aristotle and plato they didn't agree
2:02:45 schopenhauer and heisenberg they didn't
2:02:47 agree
2:02:48 einstein didn't agree
2:02:50 that isaac newton's time is an arrow in
2:02:52 one direction he didn't agree if he did
2:02:54 if he didn't disagree if he didn't
2:02:55 challenge isaac newton he would have
2:02:57 never discovered the relative year of
2:02:59 time theory of relativity
2:03:01 we experts don't agree do you trust your
2:03:04 math if you had this long complicated
2:03:06 mathematical problem would you wouldn't
2:03:08 you want your your ass your your
2:03:10 fellow mathematicians to cross-examine
2:03:12 you check my math you know you can make
2:03:15 errors in logic i don't trust my logic i
2:03:17 don't trust i don't trust my own
2:03:19 intellect
2:03:21 i believe that my intellect i'm not a
2:03:22 perfect logician
2:03:25 i'd have to be god to be a perfect
2:03:26 logician i try my best to reason
2:03:30 but ultimately
2:03:32 i have the answer
2:03:34 i have a cheat sheet i was all of us are
2:03:36 blessed with the answer it's innate
2:03:39 your innate intuition cannot be wrong it
2:03:42 cannot be wrong like for instance if you
2:03:45 stub your toe you're walking into a dark
2:03:46 room and you stub your toe you don't
2:03:47 know if you stubbed it on the chair the
2:03:49 library the i don't know whatever
2:03:51 furniture you have uh your a child's toy
2:03:54 whatever but you know you're in pain
2:03:57 that's a direct experience see the quran
2:03:59 says
2:04:00 allah when he cast you in hell says here
2:04:02 is for what you used to deny now you
2:04:03 cannot deny pain
2:04:05 then pain is direct
2:04:08 no philosopher ever burned himself and
2:04:10 said hmm
2:04:11 is pain real no we never ask that
2:04:13 question
2:04:14 we ask every question but we never
2:04:17 question direct experience
2:04:21 philosophers we even question does one
2:04:23 plus one really equal two you know we
2:04:25 actually have these discussions and it
2:04:27 might sound like we're crazy we maybe we
2:04:29 may be crazy
2:04:31 we doubt everything
2:04:33 but when we burn ourselves with fire we
2:04:35 don't say oh maybe i didn't feel pain
2:04:37 and it was an illusion no no no no
2:04:39 this is the ultimate truth that's why
2:04:41 hell and heaven are the ultimate
2:04:43 hell and paradise are the ultimate
2:04:45 truths
2:04:48 this is direct it this it's no illusion
2:04:51 we see the world backwards we see people
2:04:54 say oh god good and evil that's all
2:04:55 metaphor no wrong
2:04:57 allah is literal and we are the metaphor
2:05:01 we are the metaphor we are the ones who
2:05:03 are part concept
2:05:06 like we were talking about earlier about
2:05:08 the divine what is a knife you know if
2:05:10 you read the 40 books of plato it's a
2:05:11 lot of it is what is the essence of
2:05:13 something and we can never find what the
2:05:14 essence of anything is what is the
2:05:16 essence of a cup we never really grasp
2:05:19 it it's all this metaphor
2:05:21 it's always something so elusive
2:05:25 yet there is this one thing we have all
2:05:26 innate experiences this fitra
2:05:29 this direct experience
2:05:31 that cannot be denied it cannot be
2:05:33 interpreted and everybody loves to take
2:05:35 it and mix it with something else that's
2:05:36 what the quran is constantly telling you
2:05:38 do not partner allah with anything
2:05:42 and that that by the way is the problem
2:05:44 with a lot of atheists i've spoken to
2:05:45 and read about is that they assume
2:05:48 so much
2:05:50 uh as as given as objective they assume
2:05:52 for example that solipsism is false so
2:05:54 they're not just
2:05:55 their own individual unique
2:05:56 consciousness and everyone else's
2:05:58 illusion they they assume the existence
2:05:59 of an external world they assume the
2:06:01 existence uh the reliability of reason
2:06:04 as i say they assume the existence of i
2:06:07 can go online a whole list of things
2:06:08 which they
2:06:09 they assume itself evidently are just
2:06:13 true
2:06:14 and then from that they launch their
2:06:16 attack and i'm saying but you you
2:06:18 haven't established that
2:06:21 minds independent
2:06:23 minds independently of your own even
2:06:25 exist you have not given me proof that
2:06:27 the external world exists you've not
2:06:30 shown me why reason must necessarily be
2:06:33 true and accurate when it is working but
2:06:35 all these things are just
2:06:36 um taken as self-evident and axiomatic
2:06:40 and then from that they move and i'm
2:06:42 saying so you can't assume all this for
2:06:44 the reasons you said earlier on you you
2:06:47 you you basically this is um
2:06:49 you're asking for an epistemological
2:06:51 blank check here you could write
2:06:52 whatever you want on it and although you
2:06:54 haven't thought about that uh but now
2:06:57 we'll move on you know i've just given
2:06:59 you all this wealth and we'll just
2:07:00 pretend that it's just naturally there
2:07:03 and you haven't just been given it free
2:07:05 of charge we'll just assume all that
2:07:07 thank you and now we'll talk about i
2:07:08 think excuse me you know you got all
2:07:10 this well because it was given to you
2:07:13 um
2:07:14 don't just assume it argue for it and
2:07:16 you can't actually argue for it mr
2:07:18 atheist you can't demonstrate it at all
2:07:21 you are acting as you have said very
2:07:23 eloquently before
2:07:24 you are acting on faith
2:07:27 you mr atheists are acting on faith that
2:07:30 all these things are real true objective
2:07:33 and solid in some form
2:07:36 and then you argue but i'm sorry you
2:07:38 can't do that in philosophy you've got
2:07:40 to be able to at least
2:07:42 exhibit and be explicit about your
2:07:43 assumptions you can't just smuggle them
2:07:45 in
2:07:46 and say right now i'm here let's go to
2:07:49 business no you can't do that that's not
2:07:50 how philosophy works you've got to
2:07:53 uncover your assumptions you need to be
2:07:55 aware of them
2:07:56 and not just smuggle them in and then
2:07:58 start from that because there are no
2:08:00 self-evident truths you've got to argue
2:08:02 for them and account for them and not
2:08:05 just take them for granted and that's
2:08:06 what atheism does except in one area
2:08:08 where it focuses its firepower on the
2:08:10 existence of god and i'm saying well
2:08:12 again as i've already said that's not
2:08:13 consistent not consistent at all
2:08:16 they accept certain presuppositions yeah
2:08:18 not others yes the mystic has killed
2:08:21 every peace opposition
2:08:24 none no presupposition is allowed here
2:08:26 paul
2:08:29 no presupposition
2:08:31 like i told you earlier i don't say any
2:08:33 more material or mind i say
2:08:37 seen and unseen
2:08:42 the quran it says in an ayat nur it says
2:08:45 the light of allah it's not from east or
2:08:47 west
2:08:50 it's not from east or west when you
2:08:52 reach this point of awareness
2:08:54 there is no east or west
2:08:56 east and west are nested in this
2:08:58 awareness
2:09:00 where is this point
2:09:02 of awareness there is no referential
2:09:04 point other than it
2:09:06 it's not east or west
2:09:09 the quran says the most beautiful things
2:09:12 when you interpret it in the light of
2:09:14 the fitra
2:09:15 the quran is speaking to your fitrah
2:09:18 to your intellect
2:09:20 and
2:09:21 to the worldly observation you have the
2:09:23 world of the senses yes
2:09:25 allah is talking to in even allah is
2:09:26 talking about history
2:09:28 and his and theological facts but these
2:09:31 are all these are all supported by your
2:09:33 fitrah and none of them
2:09:35 no not even your logic not your sign
2:09:37 none of them are outside of the fitrah
2:09:39 none of them the fitra supports them all
2:09:42 your belief in the law of
2:09:43 non-contradiction fitra your belief that
2:09:45 the future will behave like the past
2:09:46 fitra your belief in theological
2:09:49 theological uh understanding
2:09:52 you cannot escape it paul
2:09:55 if you've if you haven't killed every
2:09:57 presupposition
2:09:58 you have not had a direct experience
2:10:00 with this truth
2:10:02 that's a type of poverty
2:10:07 is where every when you're a muslim what
2:10:08 do we tell you to say first thing
2:10:12 Music
2:10:20 your tower now where do we start why do
2:10:22 we start with the shahada
2:10:25 before we even ask you to pray well you
2:10:26 have to do shahada first
2:10:29 it's the start
2:10:30 but you're giving me lip service even
2:10:32 paul 2.0 remember the robot we're
2:10:34 talking about
2:10:36 he can give lip service to shahadah but
2:10:39 does he understand the shahada he can
2:10:40 never understand it
2:10:43 he has no subjective experience he has
2:10:45 no inner
2:10:47 experience
2:10:50 allah says in the quran i made you from
2:10:52 dust and soon after behold you're human
2:10:56 what does this mean human you have to
2:10:57 ask yourself what does it mean i'm human
2:10:59 dust is not human
2:11:01 allah created you fashioned you you're
2:11:03 still not human
2:11:05 what is it about you paul that makes you
2:11:06 human allah's telling you if they don't
2:11:08 even reflect upon themselves the quran
2:11:10 is telling you they only see the
2:11:11 appearance of things
2:11:14 they only see the world as paul 2.0
2:11:16 everything is machinery
2:11:18 chemistry and physics
2:11:22 you know
2:11:23 one man said everything's so arrogant i
2:11:25 forget he's a famous atheist hitchens
2:11:26 nichols he says i don't have a body i am
2:11:29 a body
2:11:30 think about that for a second
2:11:32 i don't have a body he says because i
2:11:34 wouldn't tell there's something else to
2:11:35 me
2:11:37 says hitchens says i am a body
2:11:42 and i forget who said i think was john
2:11:44 lennox he said well how did you survive
2:11:46 your death because when you died there
2:11:48 your body's still there
2:11:51 all the components all the parts if i
2:11:53 told you hey your cars all the parts are
2:11:55 there
2:11:56 where is that thing now that's missing
2:11:58 that we say you're dead you've
2:11:59 transitioned
2:12:00 prop him up he used to move pop him up
2:12:02 move him around no he's not moving by
2:12:04 his own why not oh he's missing
2:12:06 electrical signals charge him up shock
2:12:08 him with electricity what's wrong with
2:12:11 it why is that body there but he's not
2:12:13 there
2:12:15 what is it about him that he went
2:12:16 through a transition
2:12:18 remember we said human beings are part
2:12:20 concept human beings are part metaphor
2:12:23 that lump of flesh was always going
2:12:26 through transition we are metaphor
2:12:28 razeri said it best
2:12:30 you know he says
2:12:32 only allah exists
2:12:35 we're not only monotheistic we're
2:12:36 mono-ism we are
2:12:38 meaning only allah exists in this
2:12:40 particular category
2:12:43 exists in this one way unique to
2:12:46 him me and you exist as
2:12:50 a shadow a metaphor
2:12:53 a concept
2:12:54 almost like a dreamer the characters in
2:12:57 his dream
2:13:00 the dreamer is not the same reality as
2:13:01 the characters of his higher reality the
2:13:04 dreamer depends on him the mind your
2:13:06 mind my mind
2:13:09 is a type of reflection
2:13:11 it doesn't belong to us
2:13:14 we are here to observe it you're having
2:13:16 a direct observation observation of
2:13:18 allah when you die paul that mind that
2:13:20 you're observing will still exist the
2:13:22 face of allah will always exist
2:13:24 it existed before and it will exist
2:13:25 after now i'm going to give you a
2:13:27 beautiful argument by by emanuel kant
2:13:30 oh yes
2:13:32 emmanuel kant says this he says look
2:13:34 this is a transcendental argument oh
2:13:36 yeah
2:13:37 he says
2:13:38 are there going to be squared circles
2:13:39 after you die paul
2:13:43 no no
2:13:45 there are there are truths out there
2:13:46 that existed before we before us and
2:13:48 after us
2:13:50 but these truths
2:13:53 these analytical truths that we talked
2:13:54 about earlier
2:13:56 they only exist via mind
2:13:58 but you admitted that they are
2:13:59 indestructible
2:14:01 plato agreed we all agree they're
2:14:03 indestructible
2:14:05 but they existed eternally so there's
2:14:07 this eternal mind kant says
2:14:10 remember we said allah started the
2:14:12 universe with b
2:14:15 b is a product of mind
2:14:20 allah is talking about the realm of the
2:14:22 mind
2:14:26 i write with a pen
2:14:28 i'm writing i'm putting these symbols
2:14:31 it's for a mental activity that i'm
2:14:33 expecting you to go through the word be
2:14:36 is a mental issue it's a mental process
2:14:40 i don't i don't like to say i don't
2:14:41 agree i don't necessarily
2:14:44 only say that we're the world is ideal i
2:14:46 say i like it i say look keep it seen
2:14:48 and unseen because we don't know we
2:14:50 can't say we don't have uh you know
2:14:52 something in the philosophy called the
2:14:53 egocentric predicament maybe we don't
2:14:55 get into it now because it's quite long
2:14:56 but we don't have direct experience with
2:14:58 the dunya we can't go outside our minds
2:14:59 to check to verify but
2:15:02 long story short all we're certain of
2:15:04 what we can be certain of is that
2:15:06 there's a seen world an observed world
2:15:08 and an unseen world this we can be
2:15:10 certain of because we're having direct
2:15:11 experience of it the muslim philosophers
2:15:14 they went beyond logic and they said
2:15:16 look we want to know what we have direct
2:15:18 experience of what we cannot be wrong
2:15:20 about
2:15:23 and we want to kill all presuppositions
2:15:24 that's why if you look at the
2:15:26 the
2:15:27 the greeks they only had one mystic i
2:15:29 would say parmenides was really the only
2:15:31 mystic maybe pythagoras also possibly
2:15:33 again we don't know 100 of their
2:15:35 philosophy is what they were
2:15:37 and the arab philosophers were great
2:15:39 mistakes all of them were mystics
2:15:42 the british empiricists
2:15:43 not really they flirted with it they got
2:15:45 close to it but they never became mystic
2:15:47 i think can't almost reach mysticism but
2:15:49 not quite i think even almost uh
2:15:51 schopenhauer
2:15:52 almost reached mysticism but didn't he
2:15:54 fault it at the end
2:15:56 and i think it had a lot to do with the
2:15:57 byproduct of their time because you have
2:15:58 to understand when the plague hit the
2:16:00 church and it killed the church it
2:16:01 weakened the church science rose they
2:16:03 didn't want to go back to religion
2:16:05 whereas the muslims religion and science
2:16:07 went hand in hand the stronger islam was
2:16:09 the stronger the religion was they had
2:16:10 the golden age together there was a
2:16:12 sentiment
2:16:14 of we have to
2:16:15 strip the power of the church so don't
2:16:17 give them any religious don't reach
2:16:19 mysticism you'll bring them back in
2:16:21 there's a you see the scientists in the
2:16:23 west they hate their religion they hate
2:16:25 the religion they came from even though
2:16:26 their fault their forefathers
2:16:28 isaac newton was incredibly religious
2:16:30 galileo was incredibly religious they
2:16:32 were they were mystics they were
2:16:33 mistakes isaac newton was a mistake
2:16:36 isaac newton on his deathbed rejected
2:16:37 the trinity
2:16:39 are you aware of this
2:16:41 oh he he spent most of his life writing
2:16:44 against it we now know this was uh
2:16:45 wasn't made public during his own
2:16:47 lifetime of course because he was
2:16:48 suffering severe consequences but uh
2:16:50 correct it's well documented now from
2:16:52 his private writings that he was
2:16:54 a passionate unitarian and
2:16:56 he had a particular horror of uh for him
2:16:59 of the trinity he thought it was a
2:17:00 terrible doctrine that was false to
2:17:03 jesus christ and so on that's a
2:17:05 different subject but yeah absolutely
2:17:06 right yeah but he he also
2:17:09 rejected the trinity he was but he was a
2:17:12 mystic as well i would say he was a
2:17:13 mistake
2:17:15 he in mysticism you could not have three
2:17:19 paul let me i want you to i want you to
2:17:20 explain to me the number ten
2:17:23 what is the number ten imagine i was a
2:17:24 child you didn't explain to me the
2:17:25 number 10. go ahead explain to me gosh
2:17:27 that's a good question um
2:17:29 i would basically count from one upwards
2:17:31 and say that no don't use the number one
2:17:33 please
2:17:35 you cannot use the number one maybe
2:17:36 you're gonna say it's five and five but
2:17:38 then i'm gonna ask you what's five
2:17:39 depending on how young which i was i
2:17:41 would basically get 10 objects out on
2:17:42 the floor say 10 um
2:17:44 toys or something and say this is what
2:17:46 10 look you know i'd give i'd make it
2:17:48 visual and
2:17:49 um you know quantifiable visually
2:17:53 but you'd need the one
2:17:54 hmm you cannot have the 10 without the
2:17:57 one no oh that's what you mean in that
2:17:58 sense no so you'd say look there's two
2:18:00 five and five makes ten but what's five
2:18:02 well five well five is five ones
2:18:07 what so what you have to fundamentally
2:18:08 you have to explain one
2:18:11 to explain 10 you first have to explain
2:18:12 one to explain 0.5 you have to explain
2:18:15 one
2:18:15 everything refers back to one
2:18:21 before you had two because two is one
2:18:24 and one
2:18:26 everything is trying to be
2:18:29 a copy everything is pointing back to
2:18:31 the one
2:18:33 every road leads back to god let me let
2:18:35 me just tell you something every road
2:18:38 whether it's math arithmetic science
2:18:40 history philosophy theology it all
2:18:42 reaches it all returns back
2:18:46 to the one
2:18:47 now even the pagans the talmud paganism
2:18:49 came first impossible
2:18:51 how could you have known of one or two
2:18:53 two three four gods if you didn't know
2:18:54 about god you took allah and you copied
2:18:57 him and you made a likeness you
2:18:58 partnered to him you started with one
2:19:00 you started with this nucleus you
2:19:02 started with this awareness we all
2:19:04 started from this one awareness and then
2:19:06 the contents of this one awareness we
2:19:09 made into multiple gods we added to it
2:19:11 we we increased from there
2:19:15 we didn't start from zero
2:19:17 we didn't start from non-existence
2:19:20 we started from one that's why he's
2:19:23 constantly saying he's one when allah
2:19:24 says he's one he's telling you i'm
2:19:25 literal
2:19:26 i'm literal remember everything that's
2:19:28 multiplicity you you paul are
2:19:30 a byproduct of many things
2:19:34 your body is made of all sorts of cells
2:19:36 that have changed over time you're the
2:19:37 ship of these remember the ship that
2:19:38 these in 99 parts you're a bunch of
2:19:40 parts that are changing morphing your
2:19:43 part concept part material
2:19:46 part scene and part unseen
2:19:48 allah is only one he's not in the
2:19:51 category of seen and unseen he's not
2:19:53 this juggling act this metaphor there's
2:19:55 no metaphor to allah he's only pure
2:19:59 truth he's objective he's actually
2:20:02 he's not only a objective thing there is
2:20:04 nothing else that is a directive other
2:20:05 things have levels of objectivity
2:20:08 there are no truly objective things
2:20:12 outside of allah
2:20:14 everything else has a level of
2:20:16 objectivity and subjectivity there are
2:20:18 always a mix remember berkeley's
2:20:19 triangle
2:20:21 they're always a mix of objectivity and
2:20:24 subjectivity
2:20:26 we never have perfect objectivity until
2:20:28 we kill every presupposition we kill
2:20:29 every paradigm and we're left with
2:20:31 a state of awareness a taste that we we
2:20:35 see
2:20:36 directly we've experienced directly and
2:20:38 this is what guess what paul that's a
2:20:40 religious experience
2:20:41 you're not having a logical experience
2:20:43 you're not having a scientific
2:20:44 experience you're not definitely not
2:20:46 having a historical experience
2:20:47 you're having a religious experience of
2:20:49 truth ultimately this thing we're always
2:20:51 looking for
2:20:54 this thing we keep talking about
2:20:57 this thing we talk about like it's right
2:20:58 here on the table but when we try to ask
2:21:00 you where is it you never find it
2:21:02 this thing is a religious experience
2:21:05 like it or not like it or not all
2:21:08 truth is a religious experience you
2:21:10 start with the shahada and you work your
2:21:11 way from there and then you get to
2:21:13 mathematics and then you get to logic
2:21:14 and then you get to science it all
2:21:16 starts with this religious experience
2:21:18 and that's what the quran is telling you
2:21:19 if they don't reflect upon themselves
2:21:21 you think this and that is true and this
2:21:22 and that is good you didn't even start
2:21:25 you didn't even reflect upon yourself
2:21:29 you first had a religious experience of
2:21:31 truth and then you exported and deduced
2:21:33 it into the world
2:21:38 and the ultimate expression of this
2:21:41 is sujud
2:21:44 the head now is lower than the heart not
2:21:46 the lump of flesh as ghozali says
2:21:49 but you know what i'm saying
2:21:50 i was given the answer my intellect
2:21:52 couldn't reach you my intellect couldn't
2:21:54 encompass you it can point you it could
2:21:55 not encompass you
2:21:58 it's the ultimate
2:22:00 it's the ultimate expression of this and
2:22:03 lo and behold it's in the bible
2:22:05 even jesus makes suju even abraham does
2:22:08 moses they all did it
2:22:10 it's the ultimate expression
2:22:12 you cannot do any other express there's
2:22:14 no other way to physically enact it
2:22:19 so when somebody is in prayer of allah
2:22:21 you know when i teach people prayer i
2:22:23 always ask them when i teach them what's
2:22:25 the difference between you and that rock
2:22:27 well oh there's this yeah this is when
2:22:29 you when you pray pray from here like
2:22:31 this is where it is because he tries to
2:22:33 point to it as well he talks about not
2:22:35 that lump of flesh but that thing that
2:22:37 beetle in the box that we all know but
2:22:39 we can't do
2:22:42 allah is not the thing you see
2:22:44 allah gives you the sin he gave you this
2:22:46 awareness and it's in the quran tells
2:22:47 you reflect upon your hearing and seeing
2:22:49 the the faculties you have
2:22:52 the thing that paul 2.0 the robot we
2:22:55 made a while back he'll never have
2:22:58 he will never have even
2:23:00 uh
2:23:01 thomas huxley he admits
2:23:03 he says it's the same as if i rub a lap
2:23:05 and a genie comes out this is not my
2:23:06 words these are not my words okay
2:23:09 this is a man who's
2:23:11 they call him the
2:23:13 darwin's bulldog right he's defender of
2:23:14 darwin
2:23:17 so um you know i mean in a nutshell this
2:23:20 is it
2:23:21 in a nutshell very good no well thank
2:23:23 you very much indeed uh for that
2:23:25 extraordinary um
2:23:27 um
2:23:29 philosophy narrative it was a discussion
2:23:32 um i won't i won't attempt to summarize
2:23:34 it because there was there were so many
2:23:35 nuggets of
2:23:36 um
2:23:37 truth in that uh for us to reflect on
2:23:40 and um i like the way you brought it
2:23:41 back to the quran constantly i think
2:23:43 that's a great thing to do
2:23:45 um
2:23:46 and well like i say just thank you very
2:23:48 much indeed for your um your thoughts
2:23:50 and reflections
2:23:52 and your philosophical acumen and
2:23:54 knowledge
2:23:55 um which um many people many of us
2:23:58 myself including can benefit to to hear
2:24:00 and
2:24:01 learn from so um thank you very much
2:24:03 indeed for your time
2:24:05 thank you and i want to say look i know
2:24:06 i didn't give a formal speech on the
2:24:08 different theories of truth and this is
2:24:09 uh what is truth but i wanted to give
2:24:11 something more
2:24:13 tangible for people who are not formally
2:24:15 trained in logic
2:24:17 i find that philosophy can be intriguing
2:24:20 and
2:24:21 and it can strike the heart if done
2:24:23 correctly
2:24:24 yes but
2:24:26 logicians they like to formalize it
2:24:29 and ibn arubi says look they're teaching
2:24:31 it it's like a a dead man teaching a
2:24:34 dead man
2:24:35 you're learning your knowledge
2:24:38 as nuts and bolts
2:24:41 as
2:24:43 but knowledge doesn't start from here
2:24:45 knowledge starts from direct experience
2:24:48 that's why knowledge starts with the
2:24:49 religious experience
2:24:52 you're having a religious experience
2:24:54 the analogy we give about the robot he's
2:24:56 not having a religious experience it's
2:24:57 if then if this then that
2:25:01 that's not human
2:25:03 when you pray when you read quran
2:25:05 remember from this point this is where
2:25:07 you have to approach the quran from this
2:25:09 point this is a gift
2:25:11 this is a gift that each human being has
2:25:14 not some human beings each human being
2:25:17 and inshallah the muslims i i hope that
2:25:20 they will take this
2:25:21 and continue and don't be like other
2:25:24 groups
2:25:26 who deny
2:25:27 logic reason and science
2:25:29 gazari says we have to harmonize the
2:25:31 natural sciences and islam not reject
2:25:33 either or and yes science can be
2:25:36 transient it is transient it can't
2:25:38 change over time but we're always trying
2:25:40 to harmonize them we're never rejecting
2:25:42 it never and if there is a if there is
2:25:44 an issue
2:25:46 you know i i don't want to get too much
2:25:48 into what hazel says because i know i
2:25:49 get a lot of friction but
2:25:50 there is a way sooner or later it's
2:25:52 going to be harmonized
2:25:54 if there ever is an issue
2:25:56 and it's up to
2:25:57 it's up to us raising our thinking our
2:26:00 level of thinking
2:26:02 muslims have to raise their level of
2:26:03 thinking we're coming in an age where
2:26:05 information is being spread so fast
2:26:08 you can no longer just
2:26:11 read not understand and prop no no no
2:26:14 you must understand muslims out there i
2:26:16 beg you
2:26:18 raise your level of understanding
2:26:20 the problem is not the world around us
2:26:22 the problem is us
2:26:24 our understanding is weak i've met very
2:26:27 few muslims that understand
2:26:29 the concepts in the quran
2:26:31 i've met very few muslims that
2:26:33 understand even the the most
2:26:36 very important and some are trying yes
2:26:38 but it's time for the muslims to
2:26:41 go and hyper drive i hope this chat i
2:26:44 hope this episode was a good
2:26:46 starting point but there's not if you're
2:26:49 if you're a true believer there's
2:26:50 nothing you're scared to read or learn
2:26:52 or cross-examine
2:26:54 because
2:26:55 now you have certainty me i'm telling
2:26:57 you there's nothing tomorrow and science
2:26:59 that's going to be discovered that's
2:26:59 going to shake my faith there is nothing
2:27:02 paul when i go to the grave
2:27:06 i i don't believe in allah i know allah
2:27:10 there is nothing that's gonna scare me
2:27:14 i fear allah yes i fear to go in the
2:27:16 grave because i fear that i've done too
2:27:17 many i've done more bad than good this i
2:27:19 fear yes
2:27:21 but i don't doubt allah in any way i
2:27:23 fear allah but i don't doubt him in any
2:27:24 way once you get to this level you will
2:27:26 never worry about what some scientist
2:27:28 said
2:27:31 you will never worry about doc yeah when
2:27:33 i read dawkins i laugh
2:27:35 to me he's he's he's
2:27:37 i'm his arguments are childish and
2:27:40 moronic
2:27:42 bring me his greatest defender whoever
2:27:44 has mastered his arguments bring them
2:27:46 they're weak childish and moronic i'll
2:27:48 even use the word moronic literally am i
2:27:50 trying to attack the man
2:27:53 his arguments are diff and weak yet he
2:27:56 sells millions of books why because
2:27:58 people want a permission to be atheist
2:28:00 it's time for muslims to go to the next
2:28:02 level
2:28:03 there is no excuse
2:28:06 and
2:28:07 once you understand the fitra there is
2:28:09 no argument in the world that will shake
2:28:11 you no argument
2:28:13 inshallah this is a
2:28:16 a good starting point for a video
2:28:18 inshallah it'll uh
2:28:20 it'll inspire others to
2:28:22 you know
2:28:24 okay well i think we'll leave it there
2:28:26 but thank you uh so much indeed for your
2:28:29 time and um
2:28:30 um i hope uh people can leave their
2:28:32 comments in the description below and um
2:28:34 follow this discussion up but um
2:28:36 uh i'm not gonna say summarize anything
2:28:39 you said because it was so rich and
2:28:40 detailed uh um but um just thank you
2:28:43 finally again very much for your time
2:28:45 and um
2:28:47 uh and thank you all right until until
2:28:49 next time