On Andrew Tate Allegations and Criticism (2023-01-11) #

0:00:01 how are you guys doing I've actually
0:00:04 broken down
0:00:05 yes I've broken down and the technicians
0:00:09 are coming to fix this car but in the
0:00:12 meantime I'm gonna be speaking to you
0:00:14 guys about something very important an
0:00:16 allegation which is a very serious
0:00:17 allegation
0:00:19 and subsequent I don't know if it's
0:00:21 imprisonment I should call it or what
0:00:24 term I should use of Andrew Taylor
0:00:26 brother who obviously I've just done a
0:00:28 podcast with now the reason why I didn't
0:00:30 make a video in the first instance is
0:00:32 simply because the situation was ongoing
0:00:34 and sometimes when you make a public
0:00:36 statement in the first couple of weeks
0:00:39 even of an ongoing case it can compound
0:00:43 a problem
0:00:45 but the first thing I want to say is
0:00:46 that it's very clear that from our
0:00:49 perspective not just us Muslims but most
0:00:52 people in the world operate with what is
0:00:55 referred to as natural Justice that
0:00:57 someone is innocent until proven guilty
0:00:59 the problem told us a world which would
0:01:02 be if you don't operate on this very
0:01:05 Paradigm which is that everyone will
0:01:06 just claim the rights of everybody else
0:01:08 somebody would claim the wealth of
0:01:10 another someone will claim the lives of
0:01:12 another
0:01:13 he says
0:01:17 uh that the burden of proof is upon the
0:01:20 one that is making the claim so we just
0:01:22 simply ask if there's any situation
0:01:25 which is being alleged just like with
0:01:28 every other human being on the face of
0:01:30 the Earth we would like to see the
0:01:32 evidence this is something the Quran
0:01:34 repeatedly asked
0:01:36 bring your evidences if you're truthful
0:01:39 now the evidences have not really been
0:01:43 provided for such a serious and
0:01:45 egregious crime of human trafficking
0:01:48 it's a very serious crime and we we
0:01:51 stand in a wholehearted opposition to
0:01:54 such a thing and this must be clear
0:01:56 human trafficking is a modern form of
0:02:00 slavery in fact there's something called
0:02:02 the slavery Act the slavery Act of the
0:02:04 United Kingdom which attempts to track
0:02:07 or to document the amount of human
0:02:09 trafficking that's happening
0:02:11 and I I made a video some years ago and
0:02:14 don't ask me why or how or when
0:02:17 maybe when it's fine some years ago I
0:02:18 just mentioned but in Holland the red
0:02:21 light district or not inside the red
0:02:22 light district but it's around
0:02:24 peripheral areas
0:02:25 and basically a lot of the the argument
0:02:29 I was putting forward to people as to
0:02:30 why this is immoral even on the liberal
0:02:32 paradigm part of it was because of the
0:02:36 abuse it facilitates for a lot of women
0:02:39 human trafficking is an abusive
0:02:42 situation a horrible one it's completely
0:02:45 unislamic but of course if someone's
0:02:47 going to be accused of something like
0:02:49 that my question is please provide the
0:02:52 evidence or my statement is that
0:02:55 if there is no evidence there is no case
0:02:58 having said that I'll be honest with you
0:03:00 we as Muslims from a theological
0:03:02 perspective believe that if someone
0:03:04 becomes a Muslim that whatever they've
0:03:06 done in the past whether it is murder or
0:03:08 shook which we believe is a higher form
0:03:10 of
0:03:11 uh moral
0:03:13 uh decadence or moral aberration
0:03:17 Is Forgiven anyway now I'm not saying
0:03:19 that therefore he's absorbed from
0:03:21 anything or therefore people or victims
0:03:23 potential victims or anything like that
0:03:26 that we're going to minimize pain of any
0:03:29 no because that's another issue in fact
0:03:31 Islam says although you come into Islam
0:03:35 uh it's not a get out of jail free card
0:03:38 from for example if you had taken from
0:03:41 the rights of the creation now we're not
0:03:45 saying that he has or hasn't the life
0:03:47 that he was obviously living before was
0:03:49 an unislamic Life by his own admission
0:03:52 he referred to himself as an atheist in
0:03:54 the past we've seen this and also the
0:03:57 fact he he said with his own words
0:03:59 Andrew takes him that he was living a
0:04:01 semi-headedness uh hedonistic lifestyle
0:04:04 so obviously all of that stuff is on
0:04:07 Islamic
0:04:09 um it's it's his biggest belief
0:04:11 sometimes that we have to kind of
0:04:12 mention that now there are some things
0:04:14 words of disbelief and so on that have
0:04:16 come out after his
0:04:18 um you know
0:04:19 uh conversion after the podcast that
0:04:21 we've done so people think that so I've
0:04:23 asked him about that and he said that
0:04:24 those things have asked them personally
0:04:26 were recorded before and then released
0:04:28 afterwards now the despite
0:04:30 notwithstanding these points there are
0:04:32 some things which are still problematic
0:04:34 which have been coming out of as Twitter
0:04:35 feeds and stuff like that
0:04:37 but there is something called in Islam
0:04:40 which is that the excuse of ignorance
0:04:41 someone has just come into Islam you
0:04:43 have to excuse some of their even some
0:04:46 words of koffer or disbelief or whatever
0:04:49 because they are new to their fresh the
0:04:52 religion of Islam is just reading he was
0:04:56 going into the prison and just reading
0:04:58 the translation of the Quran or
0:05:00 something like that so just give the man
0:05:02 some uh time well I would say also in
0:05:05 addition to all of this guys is that to
0:05:07 be honest with you
0:05:09 yes uh
0:05:11 there are some things which in my in my
0:05:15 behavior and in Andrew takes Behavior
0:05:17 many other people's behavior
0:05:19 extroverts in general which we can
0:05:22 we can exhibit what can seemingly be
0:05:24 seen or could be yes arrogance I'm gonna
0:05:28 be very clear about that and I don't
0:05:30 absolved for answers you know I don't
0:05:34 absolve myself from this myself and
0:05:36 that's why I feel kind of uncomfortable
0:05:38 making this point because the thing is
0:05:40 some will say well look at it Andrew
0:05:43 Tate I mean why are you
0:05:45 why haven't you addressed the fact that
0:05:48 the man has got a pompous
0:05:51 self-aggrandizing self-congratulating
0:05:53 tone the reason why I don't speak about
0:05:56 humility to people like Andrew Tate is
0:05:58 because I myself need lessons in it you
0:06:01 know the Quran says
0:06:03 why do you say that which you do not do
0:06:07 okay I don't I can't give anybody a
0:06:11 lesson in something I don't have because
0:06:13 something or someone bereft of equality
0:06:16 cannot give it
0:06:18 all I can do or faculty the the famous
0:06:22 Arabic saying all I can do is point
0:06:25 people to some verses and say listen I'm
0:06:27 still I'm still working on this stuff
0:06:28 myself does Andrew Taylor Muhammad other
0:06:31 people exhibit Islamic humility I don't
0:06:35 think so at all and of course that is
0:06:36 something from Muhammad and Andrew Tay
0:06:38 and other exhibitionists extroverted
0:06:41 individuals who if we yeah I mean even
0:06:44 even you could say have narcissistic
0:06:47 traits or of course narcissism is a
0:06:52 problematic notion I was reading a book
0:06:54 recently actually called The Narcissist
0:06:56 test I like the way the author
0:07:00 um describes nothing as a sliding scale
0:07:02 of self-importance I think that was a
0:07:04 good way of putting it and certainly and
0:07:06 and he basically makes the argument that
0:07:07 you can't be completely cause uh the
0:07:10 opposite of a narcissist and echoist he
0:07:12 said if you're an echoist you're going
0:07:13 to be a self-denier so there is a middle
0:07:15 ground once again a virtue to be found
0:07:17 between being a so-called echoist and a
0:07:20 narcissist a happy medium and middle
0:07:23 ground a virtuous middle and that isn't
0:07:27 found in let's say Muhammad hijab or
0:07:29 Andrew and other people and that's not
0:07:31 where you're meant to look for virtue
0:07:33 anyway you're meant to look for virtue
0:07:34 from the prophets we have
0:07:38 6236 verses of the Quran we have so much
0:07:42 narrations of the Prophet Muhammad
0:07:44 the the character or the museeba or the
0:07:47 Calamity that befalls the Muslim people
0:07:50 today is that because this is a lacking
0:07:53 of I'll be honest with you uh kind of
0:07:56 masculine energy if you want to put it
0:07:59 like that from the religious clergy who
0:08:02 have been
0:08:03 you know I don't I don't want to use any
0:08:06 but who who because there's no actual
0:08:09 defense or defensive Jihad or you're
0:08:11 fighting or conquering or any of these
0:08:13 things or uh going on that men have
0:08:17 reduced in their ability to exhibit
0:08:20 certain characteristics so someone like
0:08:23 Andrew Tate is going to attract young
0:08:26 men that's why he has such a great
0:08:28 following within Muslim men because
0:08:31 unfortunately religious in the religious
0:08:33 clergy and some especially in the
0:08:36 English-speaking World religious people
0:08:38 they don't exhibit that level of uh if
0:08:41 you want to call it that traditional
0:08:43 masculinity or whatever it may be
0:08:45 so he's appealing to them but it doesn't
0:08:47 mean that that's a perfect model of
0:08:50 course it's not it's far from quite
0:08:52 frankly and as I've said there's many
0:08:54 things he said and done videos that he
0:08:56 has which are unislamic to watch and I'm
0:08:58 saying this very clearly to young people
0:09:00 filled with promiscuity filled with
0:09:03 wrong Notions like one wrong notion I
0:09:06 would say and hopefully he has changed
0:09:08 it and if not there's time for him to do
0:09:10 so
0:09:11 is the importance and rotate in the past
0:09:14 has placed on Military capability or the
0:09:17 monetary capability of a man
0:09:20 um in my view this is a misguided notion
0:09:23 because
0:09:24 and I thought this was the RAC guy yeah
0:09:28 because actually
0:09:30 you know uh because actually the Quran
0:09:33 there is clearly states that the people
0:09:35 who are raised and ranked the high value
0:09:37 people if you like both men and women
0:09:39 I'm not saying that to try and be woke
0:09:41 or left-wing because I'm far from any of
0:09:43 that stuff
0:09:45 but is an increase in knowledge and
0:09:48 Faith Allah says
0:09:52 that Allah raises in rank amongst you
0:09:55 those who have higher faith and higher
0:09:57 knowledge
0:09:58 and obviously the most important
0:09:59 knowledge is religious knowledge the
0:10:01 promise
0:10:04 whoever Allah wants good for that he
0:10:06 gives them
0:10:07 understanding of the religion but that
0:10:10 doesn't just it's not just specified to
0:10:12 religion because
0:10:14 every morning and evening saying Allah
0:10:22 I seek from you a goodly provision
0:10:30 a useful knowledge so knowledge is and
0:10:33 if you look in the history of the world
0:10:35 you'll find that the most influential
0:10:37 people okay of course influence itself
0:10:40 is a concept which must be unpacked and
0:10:41 spoken about there's different
0:10:43 definitions and different
0:10:45 uh conceptions of it but just for the
0:10:48 sake of Simplicity and brevity
0:10:50 I'll say that if you look at some lists
0:10:53 that have been you know put in place by
0:10:56 some individuals like Pantheon or
0:10:57 whether even though a lot of them are
0:10:59 eurocentric Western Pro Western Centric
0:11:01 some of them are not I mean some of
0:11:03 these lists have the problem as a top of
0:11:05 them you'll find that the most
0:11:07 influential people in human history have
0:11:09 been either thinkers or political actors
0:11:12 why because they've had the most
0:11:14 demographic uh or the most um
0:11:18 demographic or you know changing effect
0:11:21 on on demography on sociology on
0:11:24 politics uh on culture
0:11:28 what made him the most influential man
0:11:31 in human history with the majority of
0:11:33 these lesbian accumulated even by
0:11:35 non-muslims agreeing to such uh a thing
0:11:38 is that he was able to change all these
0:11:41 different spheres of influence
0:11:43 uh the religious sociological or the
0:11:46 social or the political and the
0:11:48 geopolitical and so on and so forth
0:11:52 it's it was Revolution in every sphere
0:11:54 ideas have a this is an uncontroversial
0:11:58 statement ideas
0:12:00 have a more lasting
0:12:04 effect or more influential impact than
0:12:09 money unless of course money is geared
0:12:11 for the formulation of ideas or the
0:12:14 production of knowledge or or of course
0:12:18 for military reasons that we've seen
0:12:21 that you'd have to really compete
0:12:23 heavily with money the money that would
0:12:25 be required in order to compete with the
0:12:27 global hegemony now which is the United
0:12:28 States of America for example in
0:12:30 military would not be the kind of money
0:12:32 that only one person can can accumulate
0:12:36 so what I'm saying is that this these
0:12:39 Notions need to be re-evaluated however
0:12:40 having said that so there's two or three
0:12:42 things I want to say in this video guys
0:12:44 number one
0:12:45 in relation to Andrew Tate and the
0:12:47 allegations there just simply isn't any
0:12:49 evidence and and unfortunately
0:12:52 um people are jumping on the bandwagon
0:12:54 about bandwagon and they're saying
0:12:57 things that
0:12:58 is just pushing
0:13:00 the Islamic boundaries especially from
0:13:02 our communities you cannot
0:13:04 celebrate the uh the imprisonment of a
0:13:07 brother a Muslim brother who you're
0:13:09 meant to love who in Islam Allah and the
0:13:12 prophet saws advise us or command us
0:13:15 even to love follow brothers and there's
0:13:19 a there's a commodity there's a there's
0:13:21 a there is a Brotherhood there is a
0:13:24 family this is all a family Islamic
0:13:25 family the ummah seeing another person
0:13:29 being punished to go and put in prison
0:13:31 this says something about one's own face
0:13:33 I don't how can you like that kind of
0:13:35 thing as a Muslim how can you want that
0:13:39 kind of thing for a newly practiced
0:13:41 Muslim do not feel sympathy or do not
0:13:43 feel some level of sadness seeing the
0:13:45 brother go into the prison with a Quran
0:13:48 in his hand in the English language
0:13:50 trying his best to learn even before he
0:13:52 was asking some questions and he you can
0:13:55 see his genuine authentic I sat with him
0:13:57 we sat with him after the podcast and he
0:14:00 seemed
0:14:01 he seemed very authentic I have to say
0:14:05 to you so I am not happy with what's
0:14:08 happened why because he's our brother
0:14:10 he's in our family he's our family now
0:14:11 there's a there's a degree of loyalty
0:14:13 that I have for all the Muslim people
0:14:15 including but not limited to Andrew take
0:14:19 so long as you are not a monarchic and
0:14:22 not a hypocrite and not someone who's
0:14:24 treacherous to our community then we
0:14:26 have to be loyal to you
0:14:27 that's the first thing the second thing
0:14:29 is
0:14:30 the second thing is of course there's
0:14:32 some things in the Andrew tape product
0:14:35 or brand or whatever you want to call it
0:14:36 which are and or have been historically
0:14:39 honestly can continue to be but the man
0:14:41 is a new Muslim and it's always been the
0:14:43 case in Islam where we make provision
0:14:45 kind of for new Muslims or Yani we give
0:14:48 them a chance and these captain man is
0:14:50 coming from a very strong kind of
0:14:51 jahiliyah like he's coming from a
0:14:54 situation where he's really had a lot of
0:14:57 Temptations in the Dunya in the world
0:15:00 and so you've got to give them a little
0:15:01 bit more time so my what I want to say
0:15:04 to the people here is
0:15:05 I have personally been inundated with
0:15:08 messages and videos and all kinds of
0:15:10 things of people embracing Islam because
0:15:12 of this guy because he became Muslim
0:15:16 Islam
0:15:17 even people may not notice they there
0:15:19 was a category of recipient of zakat
0:15:22 which is the pillar of Islam meant for
0:15:24 people who are sympathetic to Islam
0:15:26 which are called them
0:15:28 you see uh the fact that people who are
0:15:33 influential and he is influential I'm
0:15:35 not talking about his his influential
0:15:37 even from um
0:15:39 uh I would even say a cultural
0:15:42 perspective yes from a discourse
0:15:44 perspective someone like Andrew Tate
0:15:46 extremely influential especially to
0:15:48 young people coming into the religion of
0:15:50 Islam is something we should want to
0:15:52 preserve and the some the fact that some
0:15:55 of us don't want to preserve that or are
0:15:57 angry or with him or resent him or want
0:16:00 to see him in pain or something like
0:16:01 that may indicate that our allegiances
0:16:04 are not in the right place
0:16:06 and someone will say well Muhammad
0:16:08 you're being very gender biased if this
0:16:10 was a woman uh then you wouldn't have
0:16:12 the same attitude if this was a woman
0:16:14 this and that and no I'm not and no
0:16:16 we're not for example Sinead O'Connor
0:16:18 she became a Muslim and she lived a very
0:16:21 unislamic life before and she was
0:16:23 celebrated by the entire Muslim
0:16:25 Community none of her previous sins in
0:16:28 fact I I challenge anyone to bring even
0:16:32 forth some level
0:16:34 of criticism of senado
0:16:37 about her previous misgivings and sins
0:16:40 that rivaled that of Andrew take that
0:16:44 you won't find it at all and in fact I
0:16:46 believe that this feminist influence uh
0:16:49 individuals who are jumping up and down
0:16:51 because they're triggered by Andrew tape
0:16:53 for whatever four reasons some of them
0:16:55 are justifiable and some of them are not
0:16:59 you see they would not be able to they
0:17:02 would be very upset yes at Muslim people
0:17:05 doing the same kind of thing with
0:17:06 someone like Sinead O'Connor who became
0:17:09 a Muslim and who was welcomed within the
0:17:12 community without almost any mention of
0:17:14 her previous sins or misgiving so this
0:17:17 idea of you're creating a fake gender
0:17:19 narrative
0:17:20 there is recent or contemporary examples
0:17:23 of uh individuals who have become
0:17:26 Muslims who are women
0:17:29 who have not received the treatment that
0:17:31 Andrew Tate has received and I do think
0:17:33 that it's an intentional maligning and
0:17:36 manipulation of the narrative which
0:17:38 needs to be called out it says who who
0:17:40 the the true people who have been gender
0:17:42 biased in this situation have been those
0:17:44 who have been triggered by Andrew Tay
0:17:46 and we've already spoken uh about that
0:17:48 so I I think that
0:17:51 the lessons in summary therefore because
0:17:52 I've spoken for quite some time I'll say
0:17:54 the following number one in relation to
0:17:56 the allegations there is actually no
0:17:58 evidence so
0:17:59 what am I what am I meant to do with
0:18:01 this what are we meant to do you you
0:18:03 have not provided any evidence you've
0:18:05 just made a claim
0:18:08 so what what I mean what are we meant to
0:18:10 do with that number one number two
0:18:12 uh yes there's some things in the Andrew
0:18:14 tape brand which are totally in
0:18:16 commensurate in attitude in speech and
0:18:19 in Vice
0:18:21 with the Islamic Narrative of course
0:18:24 there is and you'd be a fool not to know
0:18:26 that uh of course we're not telling you
0:18:28 to go copy him or me or anybody else
0:18:34 said
0:18:35 that everybody
0:18:39 you take something from them and you
0:18:41 reject something from them except for
0:18:43 the prophet Muhammad he pointed at the
0:18:45 cover of the Prophet Muhammad
0:18:48 what I'm saying to you therefore is
0:18:50 don't look at Andrew Tay as a final
0:18:54 finished article product uh role model
0:18:57 of course he's not he's a new Muslim
0:18:59 give him time to acclimatize to the
0:19:02 environment
0:19:04 and also I'd add to that those who are
0:19:08 happy to see the man go into prison you
0:19:10 might have something wrong with your
0:19:11 Iman or there might be some
0:19:13 trauma that you've gone through in life
0:19:15 and to give you some which his kind of
0:19:19 parlance and discourse disturbs you in
0:19:21 which case you need to work on yourself
0:19:23 a man or woman whoever you may be used
0:19:26 to work on yourself because you know
0:19:28 Sinead O'Connor or somebody else coming
0:19:31 into Islam doesn't upset you as much
0:19:33 there was a model who became a Muslim a
0:19:35 French model recently
0:19:36 you know no one's speaking badly about a
0:19:39 very famous French model she's a woman
0:19:42 many women in fact the majority of
0:19:44 converts that come to some are women
0:19:45 they're not got me treated in the way
0:19:48 that to be honest this guy's treated
0:19:49 some of them are come from very uh
0:19:52 Yankee strong Germany backgrounds
0:19:55 and finally I would say
0:19:58 you know
0:19:59 um
0:20:01 what was the final point I want to make
0:20:02 yeah the final part I wanted to make to
0:20:04 you guys is
0:20:06 um yes just follow the prophet Muhammad
0:20:08 follow Islam because at the end of the
0:20:10 day a lot of the reason why we're not
0:20:13 getting yes we're not getting
0:20:16 um why young people are going to someone
0:20:18 like Andrew Tate is because there's a
0:20:21 death
0:20:22 in the masculine product in traditional
0:20:26 masculinity there's a dearth in
0:20:28 traditional masculinity that what is
0:20:30 required is for people not just to show
0:20:33 uh humility and compassion but also to
0:20:38 show bravery and assertion and these
0:20:42 kinds of things I Undertaker if Muslim
0:20:44 men held that standard if there's a lot
0:20:47 of Muslim men that did that then young
0:20:49 Muslim men wouldn't be looking at
0:20:50 andreate as a role model that replaces
0:20:53 the Imam or the father that has got in
0:20:55 the house that I can't fight and can't
0:20:57 speak
0:20:58 uh or can cannot you know make a point
0:21:02 where properly because they haven't uh
0:21:03 studied so these are the kinds of things
0:21:05 I would uh say and hopefully
0:21:07 hopefully he comes out of prison
0:21:09 inshallah uh you know Allah gives him
0:21:12 Victory and gives the Muslims Victory
0:21:15 against these forces which are very uh
0:21:17 negative forces or some other class okay