Muslim Historian Outclasses Zionist Researcher (2019-04-03) ​

0:00:01 he had a muslim testify for him in court
0:00:03 which is true
0:00:05 and he achieved great position of
0:00:07 prominence in islamic society
0:00:09 which is true he was the physician to
0:00:11 even to salvadine i believe by the end
0:00:13 of his career
0:00:14 but even maimonides someone who we look
0:00:17 at as an example of somebody who
0:00:18 existing
0:00:19 at a high level in islamic society when
0:00:22 he's writing to his
0:00:23 own people he's honest and he says
0:00:26 the the the muslims have inflicted
0:00:29 persecution
0:00:30 upon us they we have suffered greatly
0:00:32 his words are
0:00:33 no nation has um persecuted us more
0:00:37 than this nation okay so this is clearly
0:00:39 clearly
0:00:40 and even you put forward the argument
0:00:42 that's been faith the fact that this has
0:00:43 been
0:00:44 universally accepted by jews as being
0:00:45 part of the narrative
0:00:47 suggests there must be a remnant of
0:00:49 truth in there
0:00:50 that there was persecution of jews in
0:00:52 muslim society
0:00:53 now let's get on to what is that
0:00:54 persecution okay
0:00:56 you made two points yeah i made two
0:00:58 points and then you made two characters
0:01:00 now you said and maybe this is where we
0:01:02 can make it a little more engaging
0:01:03 because the big long
0:01:04 speeches don't really help any of us
0:01:06 engage the viewers i agree
0:01:07 so i'm gonna say i can give categoric
0:01:10 examples of where i'm persecuted against
0:01:12 in a caliphate that's run according to
0:01:14 sharia according to the sunnah of
0:01:16 muhammad and my best example
0:01:19 easiest example zakat zakat is fixed
0:01:22 yeah there is a fixed amount of money
0:01:24 that the muslims pay
0:01:26 jizya is not fixed jizya is dependent
0:01:30 upon whatever the caliph
0:01:32 decides that the jew is going to pay or
0:01:34 the person of the book is going to pay
0:01:35 now under some caliphate that was a
0:01:38 reasonable amount
0:01:39 and it does say that the poor don't have
0:01:41 to pay
0:01:42 the the jizya but if they're not poor
0:01:45 then it's down to the the color to
0:01:47 determine what the jews pay what the
0:01:49 christians pay
0:01:50 and that is separate from what the
0:01:52 muslims pay and it can be a lot
0:01:54 more and it can be less it really
0:01:55 depends on the caliphate and so when you
0:01:57 segregate a society
0:01:59 and you say muslims pay this tax and
0:02:01 non-muslims pay another tax
0:02:04 that ultimately is an example of
0:02:06 discrimination
0:02:07 that has been abused throughout history
0:02:09 okay great points
0:02:11 now coming back to the letter of
0:02:12 maimonides first of all we need to show
0:02:14 whether the letter is actually authentic
0:02:16 even if it is authentic let's assume for
0:02:19 for
0:02:20 for the sake of the argument maimonides
0:02:23 actually
0:02:23 wrote that letter there is no problem in
0:02:26 it i'll tell you why
0:02:27 maimonides has been severely persecuted
0:02:32 by
0:02:32 a muslim group called al-muhad
0:02:34 al-muahidoon
0:02:37 if a person who was tortured
0:02:40 or persecuted by isis today and was to
0:02:44 write a letter about muslims
0:02:46 i wouldn't blame him i wouldn't blame
0:02:49 him for for assuming
0:02:50 that i am being persecuted by muslims
0:02:53 because these people have the appearance
0:02:54 of muslims
0:02:56 unfortunately right now maimonides the
0:02:59 question is
0:02:59 when he wrote this letter where
0:03:03 was he writing this letter from egypt
0:03:05 egypt
0:03:06 okay now what period of his
0:03:10 egyptian existence was this
0:03:13 was it was this the early period when he
0:03:15 had recently come from spain
0:03:17 having been persecuted and put through
0:03:18 all that or was it actually after he had
0:03:21 become the physician to the sultan
0:03:23 himself
0:03:24 okay if maimonides writing maimonides is
0:03:27 writing this letter after he's a
0:03:28 physician to the sultan
0:03:30 the doctors of the sultan then there are
0:03:32 two options here
0:03:33 either he is lying about his condition
0:03:37 because how can you be the physician to
0:03:38 the sultan the doctor to the sultan the
0:03:41 to the king himself
0:03:42 and say our condition is very bad and it
0:03:45 is very
0:03:46 possible that he was lying why because
0:03:48 why is he writing this letter
0:03:50 and who is he writing this letter to
0:03:52 according to what joseph read
0:03:54 this letter was being written to a
0:03:57 jewish group of people in yemen
0:03:58 who were considering accepting islam
0:04:02 who were contemplating becoming muslims
0:04:05 and
0:04:06 his job as rambam
0:04:09 or the second moses or the
0:04:12 the shepherd of the flock uh you know
0:04:16 if you like his job was to sway them to
0:04:19 put them off
0:04:20 to push them away from islam and to say
0:04:23 all those things
0:04:24 it does exactly that these people are
0:04:27 barbarians they're persecutors we're not
0:04:29 happy with them
0:04:31 don't accept islam therefore so all
0:04:33 these things put together
0:04:35 one can easily contextualize the letter
0:04:37 but looking at the
0:04:38 bigger picture now it is very clear that
0:04:41 joseph accepted that maimonides
0:04:44 definitely had a high position in muslim
0:04:45 societies
0:04:47 if the jews were persecuted as he
0:04:49 claimed
0:04:50 earlier why would a jew be a physician
0:04:52 to the sultan
0:04:54 why would a jewish person be given that
0:04:57 position
0:04:58 and such a sensitive position who is the
0:05:00 physician someone who's checking your
0:05:01 pulse
0:05:02 someone is prescribing medicine for you
0:05:04 even possibly giving you medicine
0:05:06 he can easily poison the sulphur and
0:05:08 kill him why would the sultan
0:05:10 trust a jewish man and not only any
0:05:12 ordinary jewish man
0:05:13 a rabbi of that repute a rabbi of that
0:05:17 status
0:05:18 someone who is known as the second moses
0:05:19 among the jews later on actually
0:05:21 so let's not be anachronistic about
0:05:23 history so it is very clear that he had
0:05:26 a high position now it doesn't stop
0:05:27 there
0:05:28 we can look at other jewish testimonies
0:05:30 from spain now very quickly no no
0:05:32 yeah let me finish this yeah very
0:05:34 quickly here there was a jewish rabbi
0:05:36 called
0:05:37 by bin pakuda have you heard of him yes
0:05:41 you know yeah writing
0:05:44 in cordoba 1080s he writes
0:05:48 that our living condition is not
0:05:52 the same as the muslims it is better
0:05:55 than theirs
0:05:56 we are more prosperous than the muslims
0:05:58 are
0:05:59 under the rule of the arabs
0:06:03 there you go that's one testimony let's
0:06:05 fast forward less force
0:06:08 yes let's fast forward yeah let's fast
0:06:11 forward
0:06:12 okay we have for example in the ninth
0:06:15 century
0:06:16 okay there is uh an anonymous jewish
0:06:20 source a commentary on the torah okay
0:06:22 it's called
0:06:23 petra safran petra safran karen
0:06:25 armstrong
0:06:26 she refers to this book in her history
0:06:28 of jerusalem
0:06:29 and she states that this anonymous
0:06:31 author jewish author
0:06:32 wrote about the conditions of the jewish
0:06:34 people in
0:06:36 jerusalem in the 9th century during the
0:06:38 abbasid period
0:06:41 he states that we have been honored by
0:06:44 the ishmaelites
0:06:45 that we worship together the same god in
0:06:48 this holy place
0:06:50 in other words he was praising the
0:06:52 condition of the jewish people under
0:06:54 islamic domain then we have other
0:06:57 testimonies from
0:06:58 i'm giving you different dynasties very
0:07:00 quickly because time is running out
0:07:01 and joseph needs to talk about this yeah
0:07:03 and i've written an article on this by
0:07:05 the way this is why i know these sources
0:07:06 yeah
0:07:07 um then we move forward to the ottoman
0:07:10 period
0:07:11 when jerusalem was governed by the
0:07:13 ottomans
0:07:14 to be very precise during the reign of
0:07:17 sultan
0:07:17 suleiman the magnificent who governed
0:07:19 from 1520 to 1566 if i'm not mistaken
0:07:23 right he governed 46 years during his
0:07:25 reign the the jewish people
0:07:27 flourished in jerusalem how do we know
0:07:29 this a scholar
0:07:31 named amnon cohen amnon
0:07:34 cohen who published in his book in 1994
0:07:37 and the book is titled a world from
0:07:39 within
0:07:40 the court records from
0:07:44 the the islamic court of jerusalem in
0:07:46 this in these two volumes
0:07:48 he discusses the history of the jewish
0:07:51 cases
0:07:52 are you listening everyone jewish cases
0:07:54 filed
0:07:55 within the islamic court of jerusalem so
0:07:58 he studied cases from the year 1500 to
0:08:01 1570
0:08:03 70 years of cases he studied he came up
0:08:06 with 1000 jewish cases filed in the
0:08:08 sharia court
0:08:10 filed by the jewish people voluntarily
0:08:13 and amnon cohen being a jewish scholar
0:08:16 from israel
0:08:17 he was he wanted to know why the jews
0:08:19 were doing that why were they going
0:08:21 to the sharia court even though they had
0:08:25 their best dens
0:08:26 they had their own jewish courts uh
0:08:29 in jerusalem but he states this is a
0:08:32 jewish israeli scholar
0:08:34 in 1994 he states based upon a study
0:08:38 this was because the jews expected
0:08:40 justice to come quicker
0:08:42 from the sharia court than their own
0:08:44 courts and cases vary from
0:08:47 uh uh from uh for example
0:08:50 from uh a case about nafaka what we call
0:08:54 you know provisions if a wife has been
0:08:56 divorced and she needs provisions from
0:08:58 the husband
0:08:59 and there are other domestic cases being
0:09:01 discussed in this courts
0:09:03 so his conclusion is that the jews of
0:09:06 jerusalem in the 16th century
0:09:08 were more prosperous than the muslims
0:09:10 were perfect
0:09:11 okay okay wait wait wait wait of course
0:09:14 of course of course joseph
0:09:15 don't do it i'm i'm finishing
0:09:19 i'm finishing because this topic is so
0:09:20 important and
0:09:22 yeah i'm coming back i'm coming back to
0:09:24 zakat issue okay
0:09:25 so this is these examples from different
0:09:27 dynasties in different periods different
0:09:29 places show you what
0:09:30 general pattern of muslim behavior
0:09:34 was kind generous
0:09:38 and and harmonious towards the jews
0:09:40 right the jewish people flourished
0:09:42 in different ways i can give you
0:09:43 examples of joseph joseph please i was
0:09:46 very patient listening to you be patient
0:09:48 with me as well
0:09:49 i know some of this information is is
0:09:52 difficult to to to fathom but
0:09:56 no i'm giving references a wrong wrong
0:09:59 right
0:09:59 and most references i gave are from
0:10:01 jewish sources by the way
0:10:03 even bernie lewis someone like bernard
0:10:04 lewis a staunch zionist
0:10:06 who advised the us government to attack
0:10:09 iraq in 2003
0:10:10 even him in his book jews of islam
0:10:13 acknowledges
0:10:13 that the muslims treated the jews
0:10:17 with generosity in comparison to what
0:10:20 was happening to them in christian
0:10:21 europe
0:10:22 okay so and over a thousand years
0:10:24 bernard lewis states
0:10:26 for over a thousand years jews survived
0:10:29 extinction
0:10:31 due to muslim protection for over a
0:10:33 thousand years and he also states
0:10:35 ninety percent of the jewish population
0:10:37 of the world
0:10:38 survived destruction under the
0:10:41 protection of islam and muslims
0:10:43 bernard lewis again my references are
0:10:45 very clear go and check
0:10:46 and come back to me if i'm lying okay
0:10:48 now next point zakat can we come back
0:10:51 no no no no no you raised it you raised
0:10:53 it please be patient with me i'm
0:10:54 finishing very soon and you can come
0:10:55 back
0:10:56 i will listen to you patiently no you
0:10:57 can't come in because it's me and joseph
0:10:59 okay so zakat issue now joseph made a
0:11:02 claim that uh zakat is fixed and jesus
0:11:05 is not fixed
0:11:05 actually that's not true as well because
0:11:07 in our earliest
0:11:08 sources we are told firstly the primary
0:11:12 rule
0:11:12 to deal with the non-muslims what is the
0:11:14 primary rule in bukhari
0:11:17 in bukhari we have a statement from the
0:11:20 second caliph of islam
0:11:22 omar bin khattab omar was the second
0:11:24 caliph of islam
0:11:25 and what did the public say about him
0:11:32 upon you is my way in the way of my
0:11:34 rightly guided
0:11:35 caliphs who were they omar is one of
0:11:38 them so we have to follow him umar
0:11:40 upon his deathbed when his stomach was
0:11:43 split open
0:11:44 dying man he advised he advised for his
0:11:47 successor
0:11:48 he stated whoever succeeds me beware of
0:11:52 the rights of the
0:11:54 non-muslims do not over burden them
0:11:57 do not put a burden upon them more than
0:11:59 they can be um
0:12:01 the second caliph of islam the words of
0:12:03 a dying man
0:12:04 right these words were directly relevant
0:12:07 to the jewish people
0:12:08 okay because who was he talking about he
0:12:10 was talking about the jews and the
0:12:11 christians
0:12:12 okay so what is jizya jizya is one
0:12:15 gold coin per year it is clearly stated
0:12:18 in fortune
0:12:20 imam imam buladuri's
0:12:24 the conquest of lands in that book there
0:12:26 are documents
0:12:27 that clearly state that the jizya is one
0:12:30 gold coin
0:12:32 every year which is four grams of gold
0:12:34 in current value
0:12:35 200 pounds a year so if there is a
0:12:38 millionaire
0:12:39 jewish merchant who has a million pounds
0:12:43 in his bank account
0:12:45 in theory theoretically according to the
0:12:47 islamic
0:12:48 sources he has to pay 200 pounds a year
0:12:51 every year
0:12:52 if a muslim has a million pound in his
0:12:53 bank account he must pay
0:12:56 2.5 which is 25 000 pounds where is
0:12:59 justice in that
0:13:00 i as a muslim can stand up here and say
0:13:02 you know what islam is actually not just
0:13:04 to the muslim people islam is more just
0:13:06 to the jewish people
0:13:07 the he the jewish merchant has to pay
0:13:10 200 pounds
0:13:11 every year even though he may have a
0:13:13 million pounds in his bank account
0:13:14 but me i have to give 25 25 000
0:13:17 pounds over or for a million pounds now
0:13:21 this is
0:13:21 theoretically the earliest islamic
0:13:23 sources what happened later on
0:13:25 no doubt sources are abused they were
0:13:28 misused
0:13:29 even today groups like isis and other
0:13:31 extremist entities are using
0:13:33 sources to abuse the jewish people are
0:13:36 doing it
0:13:36 is the state of israel is abusing
0:13:40 misusing the jewish sources so we have
0:13:43 extremists
0:13:44 we have unpleasant characters we have we
0:13:47 have people who abuse our sources
0:13:49 throughout our history jews are the jews
0:13:51 did it muslims did it christians did it
0:13:53 so the good thing about us me and joseph
0:13:56 is that we are brother brothers in that
0:13:59 thought
0:14:00 why because he also believes that there
0:14:02 are extremist jews
0:14:03 who do extreme things and abuse the
0:14:05 sources i also believe that there are
0:14:07 muslims where extremist muslims will
0:14:08 abuse the sources
0:14:09 now over to you sorry do do apologize
0:14:12 for long
0:14:13 long long story
0:14:21 what i want to point out is what just
0:14:22 happened then so
0:14:24 we went to the al muhart and we agreed
0:14:26 on the alma had they're not good muslims
0:14:28 we then you brought a proof which was
0:14:30 maimonides and we then established that
0:14:32 actually your understanding of
0:14:33 maimonides maybe isn't the jewish
0:14:35 understanding of maimonides
0:14:37 and the jewish understanding of
0:14:38 maimonides is that he was persecuted
0:14:40 under islam you then went through some
0:14:43 very
0:14:44 um a lot of material that i haven't
0:14:46 heard of so you mentioned petrus effort
0:14:49 never heard of it in my life so we're
0:14:51 now talking very fringe
0:14:53 sources which most jews are not familiar
0:14:56 with so i will go away bernard lewis
0:14:58 bernard lewis is he's a historian he's
0:14:59 got nothing to do with
0:15:01 the actual jewish historian i'm talking
0:15:02 about source material i'm talking about
0:15:04 the source material
0:15:05 um and then you mentioned and you went
0:15:08 you went to the 16th
0:15:11 ottomans in israel now i would encourage
0:15:15 anybody to dive into google 1517
0:15:19 massacre of jews in hebron the jews were
0:15:22 massacred by ottomans
0:15:23 in hebron in israel and so again at a
0:15:27 time when you've given
0:15:28 us jews having a
0:15:32 good head straight down straight the
0:15:34 massacre um
0:15:35 at a time when jews were supposed to not
0:15:37 be persecuted
0:15:39 there's a clear evidence of not just
0:15:41 persecution but a massacre
0:15:43 taking place in the very land you said
0:15:45 it was supposed to be amazing
0:15:46 now i'm not you've said a lot of truth
0:15:48 there were jews that did achieve
0:15:50 great positions including maimonides in
0:15:52 islamic society
0:15:54 but achieving a high position in some
0:15:56 islamic societies
0:15:57 does not mean that jews are being tried
0:15:59 well throughout islamic islam
0:16:02 history douche that jewish understanding
0:16:04 if you speak to any of the jews from the
0:16:05 middle east
0:16:06 almost all of them will universally tell
0:16:08 you that they
0:16:10 suffered in modern history and in
0:16:12 ancient history
0:16:14 and so i believe jews and muslims can
0:16:17 and will coexist i think we have more in
0:16:19 common than that divides us
0:16:21 and i think we do have a rich history of
0:16:23 coexistence
0:16:24 but i think there needs to be a
0:16:25 recognition from many muslims
0:16:28 that history isn't as they see it
0:16:31 through these rose-tinted glasses
0:16:33 but their ancestors have inflicted pain
0:16:35 upon my ancestors
0:16:37 and you can go right the way back to
0:16:41 muhammad you can go back to the battle
0:16:43 of the trenches
0:16:44 you can go back to the beheading of jews
0:16:46 you can go but from the very very
0:16:47 beginning
0:16:49 there has been persecution now you can
0:16:50 justify that and say they were
0:16:52 treacherous they betrayed muhammad
0:16:53 therefore
0:16:54 but you're doing it for me but to this
0:16:56 day
0:16:57 to this day because of a battle that
0:17:00 took place
0:17:01 hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of
0:17:03 years ago i a jew
0:17:05 i'm not allowed to step foot in mecca
0:17:07 and medina i am not allowed to live
0:17:09 in arabia omar who's quoted often as
0:17:12 being one of the best caliphs for the
0:17:13 jewish people
0:17:14 omar kicked the jews out of arabia it
0:17:17 was omar that pushed the mountain he
0:17:18 actually sent them to iran in israel and
0:17:20 he sent others to i forgot
0:17:22 i'm terrible with middle eastern
0:17:23 geography
0:17:27 people can look up you're making you're
0:17:29 making a lot of points and it's going to
0:17:30 take me a long time to respond to all of
0:17:32 them so if you don't want a long
0:17:33 response
0:17:34 keep it short and i'll keep it short
0:17:35 okay yeah because you're strength omar
0:17:38 you're throwing jews in um so
0:17:41 you're throwing a lot of things all i'm
0:17:43 doing is saying and it's a very simple
0:17:44 statement
0:17:45 that anybody who believes that the
0:17:47 jewish existence under islam
0:17:49 was consistently good is consistently
0:17:52 stupid
0:17:53 there has been good times and bad times
0:17:56 there have been good muslims
0:17:57 and bad muslims good jews and bad jews
0:18:00 um
0:18:01 now to bring it back to the jews here
0:18:03 you said no no no
0:18:04 you didn't let me do this no no problem
0:18:06 can you carry on down but my response is
0:18:08 going to be
0:18:09 try i'm trying to keep mine as brief as
0:18:11 possible because for the sake of the
0:18:12 engagement of the audience
0:18:13 okay no no go on long extensively talk
0:18:16 about all the things i mentioned all the
0:18:18 all the sources i gave what's your
0:18:20 response to those sources
0:18:21 so to be honest i would have to go away
0:18:24 and read them so i know the epistle i
0:18:26 know my money
0:18:26 as well so if if what i'm saying is true
0:18:28 you'll you're going to come back
0:18:30 you're going to come back and confirm
0:18:31 everything i said