Do We Need to Believe in the New Testamant ? (2019-02-26) ​

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This video is a discussion on whether or not Christians need to believe in the entire New Testament canon in order to be saved. Some interesting conclusions made.

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Bob Bardell discusses how Christians and Muslims differ in their understanding of the Bible and the Quran. He argues that, because there is no evidence of a singular gospel of Jesus being extant in history, Christianity cannot be based on a belief in one God. He also argues that, since Christianity is based on continuous revelation, it makes sense that Muhammad would be the final prophet of this revelation.

00:00:00 Discusses how Muslims and Christians differ in their understanding of Islamic prophet Muhammad and Christianity's roots. Christianity is based upon the gospel, not a book, while Islam recognizes Muhammad as a prophet.

• 00:05:00 Today, the presenter discussed difficulties in understanding the Bible, specifically the New Testament. He stated that although one does not have to believe all 27 books of the New Testament to be saved, one can believe in parts of it and be saved. However, for Muslims, this flies in the face of the Quran, which claims that the entire New Testament is true.
• 00:10:00 Bob Bardell discusses how believers and non-believers in the Quran should approach the book. He says that while some parts of the Quran are accepted, others are rejected. He goes on to say that if a person only believes in parts of the Quran, then they are not following the book correctly. Bardell then talks about the Bible, and how it has similar inconsistencies. He says that while there are some parts of the Bible that are accepted, others are rejected. He ends the video by saying that if a person follows the Quran and the Bible correctly, then they are on the right path.
• 00:15:00 argues that, because there is no evidence of a singular gospel of Jesus being extant in history, Christianity cannot be based on a belief in one God. He also argues that, since Christianity is based on continuous revelation, it makes sense that Muhammad would be the final prophet of this revelation.

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Krueger0:06:23 he talked about we're on the same ground0:06:26 because you can use natural religion yes0:06:29 I talked about economic cornelius van0:06:30 til yes and that we have presuppositions0:06:32 and you look at history from the Islamic0:06:34 point of view yeah we have to look at0:06:36 your glasses and critique it that's why0:06:38 we need to look at the Koran yeah then0:06:40 we went on to you and Bob talks about0:06:44 things yeah the main issues that came up0:06:45 for me was your is geography yeah what I0:06:51 found very interesting is when you give0:06:53 the chain of narration when I asked you0:06:55 further where you get your scientific0:06:57 principles from you struggled actually0:07:00 giving us the answer yeah and then you0:07:03 admitted your scientific principles yeah0:07:18 so you're reading back into history why0:07:25 do you always interrupt the flow0:07:27 uninterrupted yeah but no neither of us0:07:29 interrupted you because we had some good0:07:31 manners not to yet you consistently you0:07:35 gave the chain of narration we asked you0:07:38 a critical question where did you get0:07:40 the methodology for your scientific0:07:42 Hadees then you told us it came with the0:07:58 methodology methodology all right0:08:04 back into history objective0:08:10 yes back into history yes you look after0:08:38 yourself next week just one question0:08:42 when you bring me your evidence all0:08:50 right where is it yes thank you they've0:08:53 left me yes so today we came to some0:08:56 very fruitful conclusions he said that0:08:59 the New Testament because he realized0:09:02 after we discussed about a tenacious 270:09:06 books of the New Testament has anyone0:09:08 ever asked themselves why is it the fact0:09:12 that those 27 books are the 27 books why0:09:17 is it not for example that the Apocrypha0:09:19 or it's a gospel of st. Thomas or other0:09:22 books a part of it what determines what0:09:25 is in the New Testament and what is not0:09:27 in the New Testament0:09:28 what is where is the divine authority of0:09:30 that determination0:09:32 so today because of the difficulty of0:09:35 that question he actually admitted that0:09:38 actually you don't have to believe that0:09:40 all 27 books of the New Testament in0:09:42 order to be a Christian and to get it to0:09:44 be salvation other words you don't0:09:46 actually have to believe in the whole0:09:47 Bible to be a Christian you can believe0:09:49 in parts of the Bible and not all of the0:09:51 Bible that is the implication I'm afraid0:09:53 for us obviously as Muslims we say if0:09:55 God sent down message then has to be0:09:57 believed in in its entirety0:09:59 they cannot be a part of it that's0:10:01 rejected and a part of it which is0:10:02 accepted the Quran says after took my0:10:05 noona be barred in kitabi0:10:06 what a corona be Bob do you believe in0:10:09 parts of the book and disbelieve in0:10:10 parts of the book and subhanAllah do you0:10:12 know he was talking about it's talking0:10:14 about the Jews and Chris0:10:15 yes if I taught my noona by Bardell0:10:18 kitabi what a coruña bebop firmage semaj0:10:22 sir0:10:22 Oh Mia Farrow's aleikum income Illya -0:10:24 hyah - dunya whalemen committee you are0:10:27 doing it in a scintilla de amalah hooby0:10:29 - in a Miami loon that will be the0:10:32 recompense of someone who does that0:10:34 except for a punishment in this world0:10:36 and in the day of judgement they'll be0:10:38 humiliated even further so if God sent0:10:42 down a manual for people to follow there0:10:45 are certain expectations that we have as0:10:47 people are followers of that manual in0:10:50 order for us to maintains have salvation0:10:53 one of them is in fact entitlement we0:10:57 want this manual for salvation this0:10:59 guidance to humanity to be intact if0:11:01 it's not intact it's not agreed upon by0:11:04 those who specialized in its0:11:06 preservation then surely there's0:11:09 something wrong with that you can't say0:11:11 that ok well I believe in the Bible but0:11:13 you could but actually is conceivable to0:11:15 not believe in part of it and to believe0:11:17 in parts of it so you know it's he he0:11:19 kept acquitting the hadith the weak0:11:21 hadith with the Bible which is meant to0:11:24 be the holiest spot holy spirit-inspired0:11:26 book of God directly from the Jesus from0:11:29 Jesus the god what we accept that there0:11:32 are some things in hadith which are not0:11:34 acceptable by historical standards but0:11:37 the comparison should be made between0:11:38 the Quran and Bible not Quran and hadith0:11:41 especially not Quran and weak hadith and0:11:43 so therefore when he realized what he0:11:45 was asking they were asking me the0:11:47 questions of preservation that every0:11:49 question they had every single question0:11:52 I had those an answer every single0:11:54 question that they had baba never loved0:11:57 him0:11:57 that they asked me a question he said0:12:00 okay give me a chain of narration he0:12:02 didn't expect me to stumble gave him0:12:04 with the chain of narration then he said0:12:07 to me tell me a document which tab which0:12:10 proves the chain so I told him the name0:12:12 of the document which proves the chain0:12:13 he said to me no no it has to be before0:12:15 this guy I said no problem0:12:17 I found it0:12:19 honestly I found this document it's 950:12:22 before yes I told him he said no it has0:12:24 to be has to be a wise it's only oral I0:12:27 said no no it can't be only although I0:12:29 had to be also written what's the0:12:30 evidence of that he said that he said0:12:33 okay what a simple gesture he said0:12:35 what's the evidence from the Prophet I0:12:37 said the Prophet said write it down he0:12:39 said Bevin said to me show me the0:12:45 evidence preservation I said he taught0:12:47 at each table there must be two of each0:12:49 person for each area so is that not0:12:52 evidence that's meant to be from so I0:12:56 said to him please please Bob0:12:58 please join his name is Johnny everyone0:13:00 should know his name is John0:13:02 I said now let's do the same thing for0:13:04 the Bible you know he said no he said no0:13:07 we don't have the same standards I said0:13:09 I thought this was a historical exercise0:13:11 I thought this was so anyway at the same0:13:16 point that's why we can stand here as0:13:18 Muslims to say in tactimon and0:13:20 preservation our book the Quran 1140:13:24 chapters are agreed upon by the Sahaba0:13:26 someone says no even most out he0:13:28 believed in hundred and twelve not0:13:30 Farrakhan s saying no no he changed his0:13:33 mind but they don't know that he changes0:13:35 mine in the hydrological and he said0:13:36 that he change his mind0:13:37 they said no am Kappa believed in this0:13:39 116 no no no he didn't believe in that I0:13:42 believe that under 14 we have the0:13:43 records for that as well yeah yeah so0:13:47 everyone will all the Sahaba believed in0:13:49 this and the Quran tells us in Amman0:13:53 will be female0:13:53 I meant to be for cutting teto were in0:13:56 towel offering them I hope you rock if0:13:58 they believe in what you guys believe in0:13:59 then they're on the right path who's you0:14:02 guys it's the Sahaba if the Sahaba0:14:05 I agree that this is what the Quran is0:14:07 because these people were around the0:14:08 Prophet they heard it and there's a0:14:10 consensus on this then that's an0:14:12 historical evidence a religious one0:14:14 that's the illogical one a rational one0:14:16 a philosophical one and for me a0:14:19 satisfactory one as well as satisfactory0:14:21 one as well but when you talk about the0:14:23 Bible and you can't even provide one0:14:24 chain of provenance one person what what0:14:28 one chain of Providence what0:14:29 yeah no chain and one person who's met0:14:32 Jesus spoken to Jesus and we don't come0:14:35 on and now you're telling me you can he0:14:37 said to me it met he said you can you0:14:39 don't have to believe in all the books0:14:40 of the New Testament he said so no I0:14:43 said okay perfectly I said to him I0:14:46 that's perfect0:14:47 he said that's exactly my belief I don't0:14:50 believe in all the New Testament0:14:51 I believe in part of the New Testament I0:14:52 reject another part so now he tells me0:14:56 no you have to believe in these parts0:14:57 salvation crucifixion and listen thank0:14:59 God no no no no you can't tell me now0:15:03 you have you have an intellectual right0:15:06 to accept and reject parts of the New0:15:08 Testament on academic grounds and then0:15:10 dictate to me where the rejection should0:15:13 be where the accepting should be and so0:15:16 on0:15:16 and even said you don't even need the0:15:18 New Testament for for for salvation and0:15:22 then I said to him okay that's that's0:15:23 perfect because I've got the Quran so0:15:29 the point is and it's in gentleman the0:15:33 point is if he if the argument is listen0:15:36 to this if the argument is that you0:15:39 don't you need the Gospels the four0:15:40 Gospels because that could be the0:15:41 argument so you know you don't need the0:15:43 27 books is just the four Gospels then0:15:45 the argument he made is actually self0:15:47 refuting because he said the first0:15:49 people who sees words go back on him0:15:51 this is the first people the first0:15:54 people to ever believe in Jesus was0:15:57 there a New Testament was four books so0:15:59 no he said no so wait a minute you can0:16:02 believe in Jesus you can believe in0:16:04 Jesus's message it's conceivable not to0:16:07 believe in the four Gospels and still be0:16:10 a Christian and be saved0:16:11 that's our position that's our position0:16:15 that's our position0:16:16 and moreover what I'll say to you is0:16:18 this in the in the book of Corinthians0:16:20 2nd Corinthians0:16:21 yes verse number 18 can we get out0:16:24 somewhere can we let's see0:16:27 let's see I wanna see it refers to a0:16:30 sink in a book he makes an argument from0:16:33 silence and he doesn't even know what0:16:34 that meant when I told them an argument0:16:36 from silence is that he said that this0:16:38 knew this gospel this gospel that you're0:16:41 referring to that a singular gospel of0:16:43 Jesus it's nowhere in history to be0:16:44 found I said that just because you don't0:16:46 find something in history it doesn't0:16:48 mean it doesn't exist this argument from0:16:49 silence and I gave him the example of0:16:50 the lack of my comedy text 1945 to prove0:16:53 my point but look at this in the second0:16:56 book of second Corinthians verse number0:16:57 18 and we have sent with him the brother0:17:00 who whose praise is in that gospel0:17:03 throughout all of the churches the0:17:05 Gospels not the Gospels the idea is even0:17:08 in the Anthony in the oldest text the0:17:10 idea of a gospel a singular gospel was0:17:12 being referred to so there is evidence0:17:14 in the in the books that they believe in0:17:16 obviously that's Paul so in summary0:17:19 that's why Christianity now people are0:17:21 living it and Islam it makes sense from0:17:25 all perspectives not just from a0:17:26 Trinitarian perspective but from a0:17:28 preservation perspective it makes sense0:17:30 from a rational perspective yes guys I0:17:33 mean if you're a Christian and you're0:17:34 watching this yes one question yes0:17:42 you know the Muslim are we allowed to do0:17:49 argument or do Dawa to a non-muslim0:17:52 without having of knowledge of Islam no0:17:54 you have to have some knowledge so I0:17:57 have seen a lot of Muslim brothers that0:17:59 the astac after Wilson yes and they0:18:02 should not come here I was telling them0:18:04 I was shouting to the my mouth yeah dude0:18:08 our so my message to the Christians is0:18:12 guys look within whether you look from a0:18:14 preservation perspective a textual0:18:15 perspective a rational perspective or0:18:17 even an intuitive perspective the answer0:18:19 is always going to be one that you0:18:21 believe in one God you cannot bring0:18:22 yourself to believe in three and one and0:18:24 one and three you don't accept your0:18:26 story of the entire New Testament it0:18:28 makes perfect sense it made perfect0:18:30 sense for there to have been a renewal0:18:32 of the faith through another prophet one0:18:35 that we believe it is predicted in the0:18:36 New Testament and the Old Testament who0:18:38 came in the form of Muhammad in the0:18:40 Arabian Peninsula seven centuries I saw0:18:43 after pray before