Feminist Contradictions || Malaysia Lecture 2019 (2019-03-27) ​

0:00:00 it's not you please start off this very
0:00:03 evening by this time a TV sentence and
0:00:07 curtsied also kind of that my dear
0:00:14 friends tonight's event
0:00:16 it is very simply put on poster that we
0:00:20 see abundantly whether it was through
0:00:23 social media through a poster or through
0:00:25 the word of mouth of a very close friend
0:00:28 equality and equity equality or equity
0:00:32 this series or definitions have been
0:00:36 very much sing it out in different movie
0:00:39 winners there example whether if you
0:00:41 keep on speaking of equality these from
0:00:43 your mistakes of people especially in
0:00:46 says rights and opportunity however we
0:00:49 don't do the complicit you're pretending
0:00:50 these are talking about equity is
0:00:53 certainly not the value of shares is you
0:00:55 buy a company however it is truly the
0:00:58 value and tricks of behavior and
0:01:02 impartial equity energy all they are two
0:01:05 very important strategy you start
0:01:07 together exact same effort can make the
0:01:10 hurdle and achieve fairness however what
0:01:13 is the problem what is the problem when
0:01:16 it comes from religious perspective are
0:01:18 we talking about equality and equity
0:01:19 dependents are we talking about equality
0:01:22 equity between men and women I'm talking
0:01:26 about only in equity between two
0:01:28 different parties that are not related
0:01:30 here
0:01:31 now these questions are quite sure to
0:01:34 your mind that you're pretty much
0:01:36 already put in front please first sure
0:01:39 that all your questions especially
0:01:41 questions from our friends from
0:01:43 different faiths are very much
0:01:44 prioritize because this event is
0:01:47 demanding questions that can help us
0:01:50 reach a place of comfort and really try
0:01:54 as much as possible to make sure
0:02:09 earlier today in politics in history
0:02:48 which is currently doing research
0:03:05 University while it gets so the question
0:03:38 on equality or equity and whether one
0:03:43 intell's the other that's the crux of
0:03:45 the question is fresh in relation to
0:03:47 gender or sex or both and will come to
0:03:51 describing the sanctions between those
0:03:54 categories if there are this legs are
0:03:57 going to be divided into three different
0:03:58 parts inshallah the first part is going
0:04:03 to be an examination of the first
0:04:06 principles of feminism and of
0:04:10 traditionalist Islam the second part of
0:04:14 the
0:04:14 lecture will be what I deem our
0:04:18 inconsistencies in the application of
0:04:22 those first principles and the third
0:04:25 part of this lecture will be talking
0:04:28 about what's referred to as
0:04:29 intersectional feminism and that's going
0:04:32 to be an important part of this lecture
0:04:34 and it's important for the Muslim
0:04:35 community to know what that means
0:04:37 and how it can be effective both for us
0:04:42 and how it's contradictory in many ways
0:04:47 as well so to draw kind of like um a
0:04:52 generic sketch of what second wave in
0:04:57 particular second wave feminist
0:04:58 assumptions Intel and I've made this
0:05:02 point before and many other lectures the
0:05:05 idea is that there are biological and
0:05:09 anatomical differences between men and
0:05:12 women but despite those differences a
0:05:14 second where feminists would argue like
0:05:16 Simone de Beauvoir famously argued there
0:05:18 should be equality of opportunity this
0:05:21 is the presupposition now before I start
0:05:26 talking about this in more depth it's
0:05:28 important to note that feminism and
0:05:30 women's rights are not interchangeable
0:05:32 terms feminism is a political ideology
0:05:36 which most of which has has its writings
0:05:41 based in the Western Hemisphere
0:05:44 some say it's divided into three waves
0:05:47 and it has its own conceptions of
0:05:51 women's rights it does not have a
0:05:54 monopoly of that so you can have a non
0:05:57 feminist understanding of women's rights
0:06:01 and that's a possibility because to
0:06:05 argue otherwise we'll be arguing
0:06:06 actually in a circle or we had circular
0:06:08 argument so
0:06:12 when we say as Muslims that there are
0:06:15 tensions and contradictions and this
0:06:17 will this is definitely something we're
0:06:19 going to put forward today between
0:06:20 especially second-wave feminists ik
0:06:22 discourse and traditionalists Islamic
0:06:25 discourse this is an important note to
0:06:30 make that we are not saying that from a
0:06:33 traditional Islamic perspective from our
0:06:35 perspective as Muslims we're against
0:06:37 women's rights we cannot say this
0:06:40 because the Quran is very clear about
0:06:43 the fact that women's rights is a
0:06:45 project it's something that Muslims must
0:06:49 adhere to just like men's rights just
0:06:55 like the deity's rights allows rights
0:06:57 animal rights and so on and so a Muslim
0:07:03 cannot say we're against women's rights
0:07:04 this is actually counter textual it goes
0:07:08 against the sacred Texas this the sacred
0:07:11 texts for example where lots of Hanna
0:07:15 harlots is no Quran in the law halay of
0:07:16 the emblem and I mean come in Becker in
0:07:19 alpha Bob local min Bob that certainly
0:07:22 Allah does not let to waste any deed of
0:07:27 those who does good from you whether
0:07:31 you're a man or a woman and both of you
0:07:34 are from each other in other words there
0:07:39 is an equality in spiritual opportunity
0:07:42 between men and women and Islam and
0:07:45 there even is a general equality in
0:07:48 front of the law because the Prophet
0:07:51 Muhammad sallallaahu arias alum he says
0:07:52 in them and he said was a higher court
0:07:54 region and he said this in the context
0:07:57 where a woman was doing the prophets
0:07:59 wife was doing with law and she asked is
0:08:01 it the same for men and women so he
0:08:04 turned around he says certainly in them
0:08:07 and he sell she - agenda it's the same
0:08:09 for men and women women men and women
0:08:10 are equal in this regards meaning in
0:08:13 front of the law now this is a general
0:08:16 equality but of course the tensions will
0:08:19 arise when we say we'll hold on there
0:08:21 are exceptions
0:08:23 according to Islamic jurisprudence for
0:08:26 example what women wear is different to
0:08:29 what women what men wear there is a from
0:08:33 an Islamic perspective a justified
0:08:35 binary between men and women we should
0:08:36 start by saying that that we do believe
0:08:38 in the category of man and the category
0:08:42 of woman and that there are certain
0:08:44 regulations that apply to men that don't
0:08:47 apply to women and vice-versa
0:08:49 and those are the exception to the rule
0:08:51 of equality now if you pick up a locker
0:08:57 maybe a popular book on feminism like
0:09:02 this one when we go to in the UK a books
0:09:05 bookstore there they're almost like
0:09:08 right next to that where you're going to
0:09:09 pay the money for the book it's like
0:09:11 forcing you to buy it
0:09:12 what's this book a it's a it's a it's a
0:09:15 new popular it's not really an academic
0:09:16 work it's called the feminist manifesto
0:09:19 my Anu Ghazi she's very famous now in
0:09:22 terms of popular feminists and in the
0:09:25 front like things the first five pages
0:09:27 or something she candidly makes it clear
0:09:29 that we believe in an absolute equality
0:09:32 where there's no exception whatsoever
0:09:35 there's no exception whatsoever and I
0:09:38 think she made the exception of breast
0:09:39 milk and she talked about what breast
0:09:42 milk might be an exception but this is
0:09:44 that in the other right now this brings
0:09:51 us to our first point in examining
0:09:54 especially second wave feminists ik
0:09:56 discourse it's clear the premises the
0:10:01 premises there are physical differences
0:10:04 Simone de Beauvoir makes that candidly
0:10:06 clear there are physical differences
0:10:09 between men and women we know them we're
0:10:13 not ignorant to them
0:10:14 she even mentions emotional differences
0:10:16 in her book the second sex in her chats
0:10:20 on biology she says even biological
0:10:22 differences anatomical differences
0:10:24 physiological differences psychological
0:10:27 differences emotional differences but
0:10:29 the argument goes as follows despite
0:10:30 those differences there should be
0:10:33 equality
0:10:35 does that make sense so far so if a
0:10:38 second wave feminist would say despite
0:10:41 those differences there should be
0:10:43 equality afforded
0:10:45 what kind of equality political equality
0:10:48 social equality economic equality this
0:10:53 is pretty much in a nutshell what the
0:10:57 argument is now obviously one could
0:10:59 justifiably ask what's the proof of that
0:11:02 what's the evidence for that why should
0:11:05 that be the case how's that entailment
0:11:07 made from first principles Rousseff and
0:11:12 supports how can you justify that and
0:11:16 that's really not a question that there
0:11:19 is any answer to frankly well that there
0:11:21 is any formula given for us on how to
0:11:23 answer those questions however and this
0:11:29 is moving on now to the second part of
0:11:31 the lecture which I spend a little bit
0:11:32 of time on are we consistent or are
0:11:39 feminists consistent in particular
0:11:42 second where families are they
0:11:43 consistent in the application of those
0:11:47 principles now there are three things
0:11:50 three live examples I want to give you
0:11:54 to show you how problematic these
0:11:57 assumptions are for feminists the first
0:12:00 one relates and I'm sure many of you
0:12:02 might have been exposed to this it's a
0:12:06 big thing on the news now actually
0:12:07 that's why I'm bringing it up it's the
0:12:09 idea of transgendered sports now I'm not
0:12:14 sure if this is kind of them spill over
0:12:16 to Malaysia but this is certainly
0:12:19 something a hot topic in the West in
0:12:21 America and in the UK Western Europe the
0:12:24 question is say for instance you have
0:12:27 someone who identifies and who is
0:12:30 identified biologically as a man they do
0:12:34 a gender reassignment surgery and they
0:12:37 become self-identified as a woman okay
0:12:42 so they do a gender reassignment surgery
0:12:44 and they become self-identified as a
0:12:47 woman
0:12:48 can they participate in sports with
0:12:52 women now second wave feminists on the
0:12:56 whole seem adverse to the idea now you
0:12:59 can't make a generalization with
0:13:00 anything but big-time second wave
0:13:03 feminists like Germaine Greer who wrote
0:13:05 the book in 1971 the Female Eunuch she's
0:13:08 like one of the founding mothers of
0:13:12 feminism and she in an interview she
0:13:16 completely rejected the idea and guess
0:13:19 what she invoked she invoked anatomical
0:13:23 and biological advantage wait a minute
0:13:27 hold on now
0:13:29 hold on now let me hear the argument yes
0:13:35 so the argument goes now since the
0:13:38 person and this is a very sensible
0:13:40 argument to me as a non feminist right
0:13:43 the argument goes since men have
0:13:47 anatomical biological advantages
0:13:50 hormonal advantages and even haven't
0:13:54 gone through that process and then the
0:13:58 assignment the gender reassignment
0:13:59 happens if they now compete with women
0:14:02 it will give them an unfair advantage
0:14:05 and it will give them an entitled of a
0:14:08 privileged position in that context wait
0:14:12 a minute this is important now I thought
0:14:16 you said sex was not sex because that's
0:14:20 a third wave construct some say that sex
0:14:23 is a social construct Judith Butler
0:14:25 hinted to this in her book gender
0:14:26 troubles 1990 but not this some do say
0:14:30 that I thought you said gender was a
0:14:33 social construct no and you know it
0:14:39 becomes even more problematic do you
0:14:42 know when it becomes more problematic
0:14:43 when we start to see so the question is
0:14:48 now should there be an equality of
0:14:49 opportunity for men and women
0:14:54 in certain sports should we or should we
0:14:59 segregate and separate them you don't
0:15:04 like segregation but you have it in
0:15:06 sports but no no it's justified for
0:15:09 anatomical and biological reasons so
0:15:11 you're saying they're on biological and
0:15:14 anatomical grounds you can justify
0:15:16 separation well hold on now but men will
0:15:21 be given an advantage why don't you make
0:15:24 that argument in all context of
0:15:27 categories for instance if you look at
0:15:30 the 100-meter dash and I made this
0:15:34 argument before I make here again the
0:15:36 100 meter sprints in the last 100 years
0:15:38 I don't know of one white man who's won
0:15:41 that no I don't know I don't know of one
0:15:47 white man that's one that it's dominated
0:15:49 by black people no only just black
0:15:51 people West Africans and Jamaicans
0:15:55 should we separate the blacks from the
0:15:57 whites now if you say we shouldn't
0:16:01 separate the blacks from the whites
0:16:03 you're contradicting yourself you know
0:16:05 why because you said in cases where
0:16:08 there is biological and anatomical
0:16:11 advantages for one category of person
0:16:14 over another category of person there
0:16:17 should be separation so why should that
0:16:19 be the case only for gender why
0:16:22 shouldn't it also be the case for race
0:16:24 because you've recalled racist
0:16:26 this is selective invocation you see
0:16:30 they are not even consistent with their
0:16:33 principles East Africans are very good
0:16:37 at long-distance you know we have
0:16:39 someone called noir Farah very good
0:16:42 runner you know they have an advantage
0:16:46 East Africans both early they have a
0:16:48 broadening advantage white people have
0:16:51 an advantage in something swimming and I
0:16:53 want to be controversial but I've never
0:16:55 seen a black man win that swimming race
0:16:57 I was a hallmark of Michael Phelps how
0:17:00 many sounds is in you on it
0:17:02 while we're gonna separate the blacks
0:17:04 from the whites we're not gonna separate
0:17:06 the blacks from the whites so what kind
0:17:09 of record did you wanna so some
0:17:11 feminists would say we want equality of
0:17:13 opportunity and some would actually say
0:17:16 we want equality of outcome what all
0:17:23 right so yeah someone's saying we want
0:17:25 an equality of opportunity but almost
0:17:29 all feminists would say that in fact so
0:17:32 why don't you have an equality of
0:17:33 opportunity in sports
0:17:38 why don't we arrange parameters that
0:17:41 mean that people of the same weight
0:17:44 whether they're men and women they go
0:17:47 together in competition we could do that
0:17:53 it's not difficult it's not difficult in
0:17:57 boxing for example you don't think
0:17:59 there's 75 kilogram women that's the
0:18:02 most popular category for men let's
0:18:04 bring them together right you want
0:18:06 equality of opportunity no but that's
0:18:08 advantage men but the way he said the
0:18:11 anatomical thing you see it is really
0:18:13 problematic you have segregation
0:18:16 acquiesce segregation in some spheres
0:18:23 where are the feminists we need we need
0:18:28 a sign against this seriously if your
0:18:32 preview are principally averse to a
0:18:35 biological anatomical arguments arranged
0:18:39 parameters which does not discriminate
0:18:43 on gender in the field of sports but
0:18:46 they'll never do that because it's not
0:18:49 about equality
0:18:51 it's about entitlement it's about where
0:18:55 can we find the advantages that's the
0:18:59 problem
0:19:00 and this case becomes more exacerbated
0:19:04 when we look at war we need to rectify
0:19:09 the social ills problems of the past
0:19:15 patriarchal society and we need to have
0:19:20 equality of opportunity in all spheres
0:19:24 in all industries political social and
0:19:26 economic there should be absolutely no
0:19:30 exception to that but war that entails
0:19:35 death that entails injury we don't
0:19:40 really know about that one I've never
0:19:44 actually come across their movements
0:19:49 that aims to rectify a historic
0:19:54 accumulation of gender discrimination
0:20:00 against men in the field of war almost
0:20:05 every military in every country in the
0:20:09 world in all of history has been
0:20:11 male-dominated men have died now if
0:20:15 we're being honest we should say that's
0:20:19 a severe matriarchy you have force meant
0:20:23 to be society inclined or forced to kill
0:20:27 themselves and fight themselves so for
0:20:31 the protection of the country so on
0:20:33 feminism if there's an equality of
0:20:35 opportunity we should address that
0:20:37 historic discrimination and we should
0:20:41 look at all the walls now men were
0:20:43 dominating the armies in them and we
0:20:46 should have female only conscription and
0:20:51 draft forcing the women to fight for the
0:20:54 men for at least the amount of time that
0:20:56 would equalize the historic imbalance no
0:21:02 but brother
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0:21:36 what about the dangerous shows which
0:21:40 have been flooded by males men is that
0:21:47 HIV or is the actual matriarch what's
0:21:50 your color Mecca felt the need to go to
0:21:54 mining talks doing all kinds of
0:21:59 dangerous work the whole spa so if we're
0:22:03 going to go to the Equality premise
0:22:05 should we rectify that the problem is
0:22:09 guys it's just too selective you choose
0:22:14 want to be absolutely equal and you
0:22:17 choose you're in session this is the
0:22:20 father
0:22:22 so these are some clear examples of
0:22:25 inconsistencies even using the first
0:22:28 principles of feminism even using
0:22:31 exactly what they're talking about
0:22:35 now we've monogamous discussion I want
0:22:42 to talk about something which recently
0:22:44 has come about which is called
0:22:46 intersectional feminism and this is
0:22:50 coined a tournament was called by
0:22:52 someone called kimberlé crenshaw
0:22:55 and the feminists have had a battery
0:23:01 from different groups within because of
0:23:06 their colonialists and white supremacist
0:23:11 inclination so in the beginning as you
0:23:13 know the first wave feminism was
0:23:15 concerned with universal suffrage it was
0:23:18 concerned with giving women the right to
0:23:19 vote
0:23:20 which is a very not saying I mean I
0:23:22 don't think anyone in this room will
0:23:24 have any problem was that you know women
0:23:27 have the right to vote men have a right
0:23:28 to vote whatever other women vote myself
0:23:31 I don't care about voting but you know
0:23:34 it's not something we care about you
0:23:36 know you know the point is this
0:23:43 in the 60s many blacks preschool black
0:23:48 feminism kind of like a movement one of
0:23:50 the many people I think it's still alive
0:23:52 her name is billhooks she wrote really
0:23:55 books talking about the fact that really
0:23:58 the truth is the experience of second
0:24:01 wave feminism has been a white
0:24:02 experience it doesn't include the black
0:24:05 woman and it doesn't include the
0:24:08 underprivileged and so on and so there
0:24:12 was a hammering troop with him it was a
0:24:14 term folks was colonial feminism the
0:24:16 idea that this is actually the idea of
0:24:19 white women wanting to privilege
0:24:21 themselves they don't really care about
0:24:23 in their books and their arts was
0:24:25 enacted in academic pieces they were
0:24:27 making the argument for the woman of
0:24:29 color they were it was lacking in the
0:24:31 literature
0:24:33 laughing altogether of that figure on
0:24:36 the first where feminism was Italian
0:24:38 where British Empire but there was never
0:24:42 a cool for decolonization of the colored
0:24:47 things on me this country was colonized
0:24:50 by the British Empire that time wasn't
0:24:52 it or in 1957 them was a freed from the
0:24:56 shackles of colonial administration and
0:25:00 so at that time what about the white
0:25:03 feminists in America and in Britain and
0:25:08 in France saying well you know our women
0:25:11 in Malaysia in Indonesia in India in
0:25:16 Africa they need to be freed in fact
0:25:21 they were saying what was the things
0:25:22 they were saying now how can he keep
0:25:25 black people to vote before you give us
0:25:29 the ball and so on and they were making
0:25:30 racial comments about the Aborigines
0:25:33 about black people kind of things it was
0:25:35 a racist movement
0:25:36 to a large extent and explain this to
0:25:38 one of my lecturers called it stands at
0:25:41 that face of feminism on YouTube is what
0:25:43 to watch it is them and the duckface
0:25:46 or feminism some of the history of early
0:25:49 feminism but because of the fact that
0:25:53 they were kind of battered from within
0:25:54 right so a little forced at around like
0:25:58 say seventies or eighties or something
0:26:00 right to consider this idea
0:26:02 intersectional feminism and so
0:26:05 intersectional feminism considers not
0:26:06 only gender it says that the way a
0:26:11 person identifies themselves this month
0:26:14 primarily reduces agenda they might this
0:26:17 is true they might identify themselves
0:26:21 according to race they're gonna mention
0:26:24 religion fact about race class and
0:26:27 sexuality usually focus on those three
0:26:29 yeah
0:26:29 race class and sexuality yeah they will
0:26:34 say they will say that we have to
0:26:38 consider all of these entangled and
0:26:40 interlocking identify us we can't just
0:26:45 think about race or the kind of thing
0:26:47 you are definitely war we have to think
0:26:49 about gender in conjunction with race we
0:26:51 have to think about gender in
0:26:53 conjunction with class and so on and so
0:26:58 on this thesis I don't know you know
0:27:06 Sam here or something yeah who is
0:27:08 underprivileged in her all societies
0:27:10 years of the proletariat cheese working
0:27:15 class she's a completely different
0:27:18 category than a white woman they're two
0:27:23 separate categories of deceased if
0:27:25 they're two separate categories they
0:27:27 should be looked at differently
0:27:28 according to this that's true why are we
0:27:31 only looking at one parameter gender why
0:27:34 so the issue is the terms the sectional
0:27:37 feminism is a conservation because you
0:27:40 prioritize
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0:27:43 what who gave you the right to say
0:27:45 feminism there
0:27:46 why have you prioritize now the first
0:27:50 thing to say on their worldview they
0:27:52 believe in self possession and they
0:27:55 believe in self-determination would be
0:27:58 the first thing to say would be let the
0:28:02 woman decide for herself
0:28:04 watch the men decide from self what they
0:28:08 think
0:28:09 yes what they think are the most
0:28:11 important identifies for them in the
0:28:15 order that they think is most important
0:28:18 for them but this is a hybridization
0:28:23 which to do superbook's by colonial
0:28:26 feminist discourse in other words white
0:28:31 feminists in England and in the USA and
0:28:35 in France it's as if they're saying let
0:28:40 us prioritize your ideas for you the
0:28:45 most important thing you have to think
0:28:46 about your analysis is gender then after
0:28:49 that maybe is read that after that
0:28:50 lady's class and a masters will have
0:28:52 something different to say about that
0:28:54 and you know I ran into her have
0:28:56 something different to say about that
0:28:57 and so on yes but what are you making
0:29:01 that high authorization who gives you
0:29:03 the right to try this I stand up no one
0:29:09 gave you the right you cannot serve it
0:29:12 you want to be fair you conduct a survey
0:29:16 yeah with him believe me yes and ask
0:29:20 them in order
0:29:22 what other things do once you identify
0:29:27 as the most so for example of the
0:29:31 polygamous a than one religion number to
0:29:34 Nationals number three German a
0:29:36 photographer then you have no right to
0:29:39 say to her that she should be a feminist
0:29:41 because I love you on her worldview
0:29:46 she has prioritized religion over above
0:29:52 the thing about intersectional feminism
0:29:55 is it has a propensity to
0:29:58 philosophically self-enclosed just like
0:30:00 the mothers so otherwise if you really
0:30:04 want to give someone the opportunity and
0:30:08 chance to make a decision for themselves
0:30:11 when they make a decision which falls in
0:30:14 line with a dominant discourse for some
0:30:16 source you have to remove that you can't
0:30:19 tell them now no you should always
0:30:21 prioritize this now what is there is a
0:30:23 tension and contradiction between what
0:30:26 feminists understanding of gender
0:30:28 Eurocentric understanding of gender and
0:30:32 Islamic understanding of gender which
0:30:34 there are what should the Zulu if she's
0:30:36 my taxes a slap on intersectional
0:30:40 feminism just to follow it
0:30:43 so the question we usually ask guys and
0:30:47 that is usually asked of us is how
0:30:51 accommodate for feminism that's the
0:30:54 question and they force people you know
0:30:57 no it's not the feminism this coalition
0:31:00 you know come to the society I'm also
0:31:05 doing it but the point is this well I'll
0:31:22 just say no all right so the witness is
0:31:26 right
0:31:26 if you give her the choice and she says
0:31:32 actually prioritize religion over your
0:31:35 conception of China then message the
0:31:40 question therefore how should this slam
0:31:43 accommodate feminism this is the
0:31:46 question is how feminism accommodate for
0:31:48 snap yes it's not how she slap when I
0:31:55 come to accommodate sorry okay
0:31:56 that's how that's my personal choice
0:32:00 I'm looking about to anyone and this is
0:32:03 hopefully what many women will also
0:32:06 agree with I hope they do whether it is
0:32:08 a contradiction we will prefer religious
0:32:12 narratives over and above Eurocentric SS
0:32:16 big ones and yes to another and if you
0:32:20 disagree with that you're against your
0:32:21 principles your colonialist your
0:32:25 agreement nourish will force your
0:32:27 fundamentals your fundamentalism you
0:32:32 have your understanding of pizza which
0:32:35 we've already shown a spoon but let's go
0:32:37 with it if feminism is true and fabulous
0:32:42 it was truly giving women the right to
0:32:44 self-determination then they should
0:32:47 allow a woman to consent to be in a
0:32:50 patriarchal structure where hidden that
0:32:53 sounds a bit like a boo right it's wrong
0:32:55 well the story is nothing if yes if
0:32:59 feminism proposed to give women the
0:33:05 right to make their own decisions if
0:33:08 they decide to live within biggest
0:33:12 constructions that is actually a
0:33:14 tightness embolism the she's made no
0:33:16 decision and if your job was to make to
0:33:20 make your own decision the job is done
0:33:22 leave us alone
0:33:24 your job is done if you want to feel the
0:33:29 space for a woman to make the decision
0:33:30 then when she makes a decision which
0:33:33 goes against your central axis don't be
0:33:35 disappointed
0:33:36 leave them alone don't be disappointed
0:33:40 that's how it is
0:33:48 if the husband can be powerful
0:33:51 what did you say now manipulate across
0:33:56 the table by the way this whole idea of
0:33:59 big obedience to the husband is a
0:34:01 caricature one yes it is no really this
0:34:05 control of the idea of a husband
0:34:13 exercising them tropical icing them and
0:34:16 the Muslims will be this woman there are
0:34:19 shadows and the man she is the small
0:34:22 happens in there this is justice'
0:34:25 squadrons in Islamic households this is
0:34:31 the capital ready ready that's what they
0:34:34 say something serious more into this
0:34:42 image obedience is severely curtailed
0:34:50 I'll tell you of a few things
0:34:53 some piece of stress for the Ramos
0:34:55 consider wrote about this and ethos
0:34:57 Islamic ethos the focus has left after a
0:35:00 group it's muscle car alone you cannot
0:35:03 obey the creation and the disobedience
0:35:05 to the traitor this is a very important
0:35:08 principle is too much because
0:35:10 unrecovered are overlooked do you think
0:35:13 that Muslim men and just a woman to go
0:35:17 and do this no it's against the Koran
0:35:21 I'm not gonna do it you do it yeah if
0:35:24 it's against the party has no problem I
0:35:26 mean you're only here to advise me on
0:35:30 what you think the Koran says I agree
0:35:33 with you I will yes okay if you say
0:35:38 something cool drink I'll come on let's
0:35:41 go updater and it's happened by the way
0:35:42 take your camera off someday use husband
0:35:46 so this is why so the problem here is
0:35:54 they think that obedience this idea
0:35:58 which spin
0:35:59 tropical eyes is fully interruptions now
0:36:05 it's not waba if you go she gets her ice
0:36:07 what does Mogens writes on a slap so if
0:36:11 you go for this couple
0:36:13 this is not marriage by the way
0:36:16 chica if she doesn't like money and
0:36:19 that's the decision that the family has
0:36:20 taken she could take that money for
0:36:22 herself
0:36:22 it's not a suit well that's why it was
0:36:27 by the way that's not for an affirmative
0:36:29 so if Jesus is I don't want to work man
0:36:35 says look you say we keep cool I'm gonna
0:36:37 pay off the bill you pay off the bill
0:36:39 justice I'm not really interested in
0:36:41 that because they will have to be
0:36:45 obedient to me no comment is under one
0:36:51 plus one of examples but there is an
0:36:55 aspect and there's nothing of such
0:36:58 religious or whatever girls gets her
0:37:04 there's no Tommy Morrison kissing her so
0:37:08 he says that we pulled up I don't know
0:37:12 we're the same this man G will be the
0:37:16 father or something and she's like I
0:37:20 love the boulder to obedience past them
0:37:27 you have to lift the boulder yes she
0:37:31 says you know at the moment when you use
0:37:34 the mother really it's tough nose huh
0:37:37 she goes to touch this Ebola Chancellor
0:37:39 you know she has from October it's not
0:37:44 this is what mine with accessories ha
0:37:49 mm what is the thought I'm talking about
0:37:53 well there's a consultation process
0:37:54 which is so nervous by the way and there
0:37:57 are some tenants right and then he
0:38:01 decides to over just internal issues
0:38:04 whether he forgets the quality my friend
0:38:10 there should be a perfect democracy on
0:38:12 feminism
0:38:14 there should be 50 50 percent decision
0:38:17 making this is the objection fifty fifty
0:38:22 percent is just amazing so what if what
0:38:26 would that create gridlock tell me what
0:38:27 polymer there in the world that wears
0:38:29 like
0:38:30 you did every partner tries to forge
0:38:33 photography even even the ones that
0:38:35 labels proportional representation
0:38:37 Israel assistant I think what PR
0:38:40 presentation although there's not the
0:38:43 focus today other reasons and I like the
0:38:46 relation you know that's or something
0:38:48 yes from YouTube say some of the things
0:38:54 about exactly yes what you used to avoid
0:39:02 it right so how we're gonna break the
0:39:04 deadlock oh it's not actually allows to
0:39:07 be said there are some exceptions who's
0:39:10 a powerful relationship wrestler is her
0:39:12 body they provide their process that's a
0:39:15 two dollar offer from some become for
0:39:18 SuperSpeed a my way this is interesting
0:39:21 I was reading some books of the Hannibal
0:39:22 addresses which is the the method I and
0:39:26 kind of follow for the most part they
0:39:30 says woman because we know the most part
0:39:35 she should be pays for that wrestler but
0:39:37 I married well yes she should also be
0:39:40 things buzzes from here with opinion
0:39:43 let's go go without it the idea is the
0:39:50 point I'm making is that it's poking
0:39:53 through Texas but there are cases there
0:39:55 are cases because a woman has certain
0:40:00 passages firefighter or mother as well
0:40:03 as messages there were technical
0:40:08 advantages and by the way mother is a
0:40:10 big kind of underscore the way finis
0:40:13 particular because they thought the
0:40:14 final so what's a mother someone who
0:40:18 gives birth to someone else or than a
0:40:21 foolishness and some cool differences
0:40:23 yes apology is it relevant ways they are
0:40:28 very clear that mom one that takes the
0:40:31 babies were strong enough what adoption
0:40:33 all of that is mother them right do you
0:40:36 even have a clear understanding all of
0:40:38 this
0:40:38 you don't have decided on it since you
0:40:40 company mother's rights if you don't
0:40:42 buzz off
0:40:45 but the idea is his son the mother is
0:40:51 the flange
0:40:52 what it gives birth to the child and so
0:40:58 when doing give birth to the child there
0:41:01 are certain rights that are afforded to
0:41:02 her by virtue of being a mother they are
0:41:05 not afforded to the man but she has the
0:41:09 three tiny pool Brian and software or
0:41:12 companionship were from the natal the
0:41:15 chaplain definitely gonna be in most
0:41:17 cases more influenced by rather than the
0:41:20 father how do you this is an imbalance
0:41:24 of equality is balance how do you
0:41:28 rectify that hurts so you give the man
0:41:30 some rice man
0:41:31 give him some rice women boost so it can
0:41:33 be good agreeable is with no even if
0:41:39 they say no this is our system the
0:41:43 question which talk also special today
0:41:45 is 38 minutes of lecture and I try and
0:41:49 keep things to maximum or 45 because I
0:41:51 know that the special session because
0:41:56 this probably is go some questions look
0:41:58 at me yes the question is to what it
0:42:16 says if any so neurosis is a piece of
0:42:20 him no evil to us except if any should
0:42:25 remove and biological differences as
0:42:28 well as psychological physiological ones
0:42:30 and counters for mobile society
0:42:37 prescription
0:42:39 two accents and they are found in our
0:42:43 looking at the first principles of
0:42:45 second wave feminism in particular the
0:42:49 answer is to no extent whatsoever they
0:42:52 should have absolutely no say but when
0:42:56 in application that thesis is presented
0:43:00 to them the first people to talk about
0:43:02 maternity leave a motion of the force of
0:43:04 society is the society my family signing
0:43:06 in England is the one that does it
0:43:09 without necessity was in discriminatory
0:43:12 practice in England one year for
0:43:15 emotions the year now or what they've
0:43:16 changed those of the that - two weeks
0:43:18 paternity all obviously disparity
0:43:20 let's hope based on quality and many
0:43:24 feminists derivative so love some
0:43:26 examples are counter to the absolute
0:43:30 equality premise and so reading is added
0:43:33 the thing we know with difference but
0:43:36 we'll take the advantages we will find
0:43:38 them Mormon
0:43:41 this is fallacious contradictory
0:43:44 problematic and that's why we say that
0:43:49 is why we say that Islam proposes the
0:43:55 following idea that there is an
0:43:58 all-knowing all-wise all-powerful entity
0:44:02 we call Allah who revealed and a message
0:44:07 to his final customers of our epsilon a
0:44:10 message which has all of the requires
0:44:16 rules and regulations regarding to
0:44:18 whether there should be an accessory we
0:44:21 both agree that this is the exceptions
0:44:23 in a way yes but the person is virtually
0:44:27 the exceptions be things like trust
0:44:32 rules for the most part extra
0:44:35 analytics of Russia in a public roads is
0:44:38 completely different
0:44:40 in taxes I remember what time just to go
0:44:44 to attention for the other time I was
0:44:48 closed in Leicester Square this in
0:44:51 central London who give him dollar to
0:44:54 the nominal speakers and so speaking to
0:44:57 The pieman petition to slammer trying to
0:45:00 educate people about statsoft and the
0:45:05 woman was there I think she's a bit
0:45:07 tipsy maybe they're drunk so she was
0:45:12 talking to me when I thought Miller she
0:45:14 talks a lot but she can do this and I
0:45:16 thought they were a few ounces if I find
0:45:19 that she talked contains this
0:45:20 conversation I'm trying to make it
0:45:22 should retreat so she said why is it I
0:45:25 wouldn't have to wear my cap basically
0:45:26 that was my question
0:45:27 that's it look I said but most of us
0:45:32 agree that anatomical differences have a
0:45:37 say in what we wear most of us agree to
0:45:40 that so socially and culturally the
0:45:43 right and I gave her the example I said
0:45:46 for instance in most cultures even
0:45:48 Western ones semantics of assuring me
0:45:50 summertime and augmentation for sure
0:45:54 when a man does it is seen as absolutely
0:45:57 noble to be honest with you yes
0:46:00 stop seeing us especially in London
0:46:02 what'd they take - sheriff in the park
0:46:04 no problem especially in beaches which
0:46:07 is a different paradigm together but in
0:46:10 my Foreman does it is seen as public see
0:46:16 if we don't agree with that
0:46:17 a lot of us would agree that and some of
0:46:20 them said we understand but the idea is
0:46:23 that if particular isin specified a slab
0:46:26 as a discourse of analysis if you have a
0:46:28 problem with men and women dressing
0:46:32 differently you should think about the
0:46:33 slapping because in your own culture you
0:46:35 have that that's the issue just that
0:46:37 that's the argument so the witness is to
0:46:43 finalize the discussion we spoke about a
0:46:46 fact
0:46:47 the Amazon all the differences despite
0:46:49 us trying to run away from as much as we
0:46:51 can have shaped everything almost from A
0:46:56 to Z even for feminists they consider it
0:47:00 very closely they recover the advantages
0:47:03 are and they strategically play on those
0:47:05 advantages probably the most consistent
0:47:09 feminists in this regard are third wave
0:47:11 feminist queer feminists and so on who
0:47:17 actually do make the argument for
0:47:20 example the trans example that a trans
0:47:24 person fact participate in the sports if
0:47:30 they have done the gender reassignment
0:47:31 surgery fact we talked about the
0:47:36 discourse
0:47:37 Muslim societies now seem to have
0:47:39 pressures on them Muslims within those
0:47:42 societies seem to be facing those
0:47:43 pressures to feminize and this should be
0:47:47 seen as a Eurocentric type of colonial
0:47:49 expansionism of ideological proportions
0:47:52 and we should realize that this is now
0:47:56 they are doing that at you simple as
0:48:01 that they are trying to invite you to
0:48:03 their way and this might well feminist
0:48:05 narrative of is compatible with Islam
0:48:08 and let's come in through you know this
0:48:12 means a song is a false one for so many
0:48:15 reasons we will discuss them for most of
0:48:18 the manual for most of the woman in
0:48:20 order to remove all cognitive dissonance
0:48:22 and cognitive dissonance is the idea
0:48:25 that you say one thing but believe
0:48:26 another and it gives you a psychological
0:48:28 kind of problem to remove that of your
0:48:31 life and it's a piece for mind
0:48:33 seriously you really do have to decide
0:48:36 to make the decision whether you want to
0:48:39 submit to the law or not just a bit to
0:48:42 the war Allah to the structures to the
0:48:46 mind Texas oh no and you can escape
0:48:51 sessional feminism as we've discussed
0:48:53 and they can't say anything about allah
0:48:57 but you have to have that decision made
0:49:01 in your mind and with that I will leave
0:49:05 the floor score 5 minutes exactly I
0:49:07 leave the floor gel off for questions
0:49:09 and answers