Message to Muslim Westerners on LGBT || California (2019-05-11) ​

0:00:07 i think you made some very valid points
0:00:09 there and i want to add to something
0:00:10 very important right
0:00:12 and this is i think one of the biggest
0:00:14 challenges in in this state in
0:00:15 particular
0:00:16 with the muslim community and i have to
0:00:17 address it head-on uh obviously we have
0:00:19 the same challenge in the uk but i
0:00:21 believe that we have better mechanisms
0:00:23 of dealing with it there i'm not trying
0:00:24 to
0:00:25 you know but i think that we have a you
0:00:26 know more established community in the
0:00:28 uk only because
0:00:29 we've been there for much longer and
0:00:30 we've been able to establish ourselves
0:00:32 and our population is much
0:00:33 uh more concentrated um and we have much
0:00:36 less apostasy rates than in the united
0:00:39 states
0:00:40 however having said that to answer your
0:00:42 question directly i think
0:00:44 um the question of the first and
0:00:46 foremost about homosexuality and islam
0:00:48 yeah and lgbt activism and how does it
0:00:52 how do we deal with that because
0:00:53 obviously from an islamic perspective we
0:00:55 know that homosexuality
0:00:57 not from an inclination perspective from
0:00:59 a tendency perspective from a feeling
0:01:01 perspective
0:01:02 but certainly from an action perspective
0:01:04 is something which is an aberration
0:01:05 irreligious
0:01:06 against our religion we can't we're not
0:01:08 going to change that part of our
0:01:10 religion
0:01:10 and in fact one of the major sins of
0:01:12 islam so
0:01:14 we're i feel like this and you can
0:01:16 correct me if i'm wrong obviously this
0:01:17 is your state and you've been living
0:01:18 here
0:01:19 but i feel like there's a there's a
0:01:21 there's a pressure
0:01:22 to capitulate to this idea that actually
0:01:25 we should say
0:01:26 that the act itself i'm not talking
0:01:28 about the feeling and i'm not talking
0:01:31 about the person
0:01:32 homosexuals i'm not talking about the
0:01:34 feeling how they feel
0:01:35 i'm talking about homosexual sex to be
0:01:37 completely honest with you right
0:01:39 penetration yeah sorry to be another
0:01:41 kids in the room i'm talking about that
0:01:43 we are under pressure to say that's
0:01:45 legitimate
0:01:47 and it's it's moral it's it's fine but i
0:01:50 say
0:01:50 and this wallahi if there's anything
0:01:52 you're going to leave with today make
0:01:53 this be the thing that you live with
0:01:54 yeah because it's something that
0:01:55 hopefully will protect your community
0:01:57 and our communities everywhere this is
0:01:59 against every approach
0:02:02 let me stand up for this okay no
0:02:05 it's against every single approach let
0:02:07 me tell you why
0:02:08 we talked about the intersectional
0:02:10 approach what if someone
0:02:12 who feels gay also believes
0:02:16 that that homosexuality is a sin what if
0:02:19 they have two things that they're doing
0:02:21 at one time they feel homosexual
0:02:23 they feel like they're having homosexual
0:02:24 inclination but they also have
0:02:26 the belief that what if they if they act
0:02:28 upon that impetus
0:02:30 that what they will do is they'll do
0:02:31 something sinful
0:02:33 so on an intersection analysis now we
0:02:35 have to go back and ask
0:02:37 what do we prioritize in analysis what
0:02:39 they believe
0:02:40 or what they feel and if that person
0:02:43 makes a conscientious decision to say
0:02:45 you know what
0:02:46 i feel like this but my identity as a
0:02:49 human being
0:02:50 is should be prioritized in this way for
0:02:52 example in a religious way
0:02:53 and therefore i'm going to suppress my
0:02:55 sexual you know
0:02:57 homosexuality for example i'm going to
0:02:58 suppress it
0:03:00 then that is as legitimate on an
0:03:02 intersectional analysis
0:03:04 and the liberal analysis as someone
0:03:06 quote-unquote coming out of the closet
0:03:08 basically there is a presupposition
0:03:12 that sexual expressionism
0:03:15 should be prioritized over and above rip
0:03:18 um suppression
0:03:20 but that that doesn't make any sense why
0:03:22 is that the case can that be proven
0:03:24 so in other words there's this idea
0:03:26 which actually takes all the way it
0:03:28 takes us all the way back to freud one
0:03:29 guy called freud yeah
0:03:30 sigmund freud he wrote a book called
0:03:32 civilization and his discontent
0:03:34 and in it he basically argued and he had
0:03:36 this thing called the oedipus complex i
0:03:37 don't want to go into
0:03:38 major detail but he said that you know
0:03:40 when when when a child is born
0:03:42 they have psychosexual stages of
0:03:44 development and at one stage like for
0:03:46 example a young boy
0:03:47 feels attraction for his mother like he
0:03:49 wants to engage sexually with his mother
0:03:52 right and then we start you know
0:03:54 controlling those desires and so on
0:03:57 and he argues in his book that basically
0:03:59 we should be able to express
0:04:01 ourselves as much as possible and this
0:04:03 is incorporated into this liberal ethic
0:04:06 this liberal ethic of just do it kind of
0:04:07 like you know the nike slogan yeah just
0:04:09 do it
0:04:10 you know yolo live once and so on so
0:04:12 sexual expressionism is prioritized over
0:04:15 and above sexual
0:04:15 uh repressionism if you like so coming
0:04:18 out of the closet
0:04:20 is seen as the epitome of
0:04:23 a self-expression yes even though
0:04:27 as i made the point in my debate
0:04:29 yesterday for those who were there
0:04:30 coming out of the incest closet it was
0:04:32 not seen the same way yanni someone who
0:04:34 has sexual inclusion for their
0:04:35 brother or sister sorry to be very
0:04:37 explicit here but this is a very
0:04:38 important topic
0:04:39 because the truth is this on social
0:04:41 liberalism
0:04:42 the qaeda or the the principle is you
0:04:45 can do whatever you want so long as you
0:04:46 don't harm anyone else
0:04:47 that's what they say yeah do whatever
0:04:49 you want so long as you don't have
0:04:50 anyone else okay so therefore the
0:04:52 homosexual has the right to have sex
0:04:53 with
0:04:53 another man but a brother doesn't have
0:04:56 uh the right
0:04:57 to have uh sexual intercourse with his
0:04:58 sister sorry to be yani
0:05:00 well because deformed babies will come
0:05:02 about okay contraception
0:05:05 the same logic applies why is there lgbt
0:05:08 rights in this country and not incest
0:05:09 rights
0:05:10 when both of them are predicated on the
0:05:11 same social construct
0:05:13 idea of a harm principle so the idea is
0:05:16 that a sexual expressionism should be
0:05:19 prioritized
0:05:20 over and above a repressionism but even
0:05:22 in certain contexts there will be
0:05:24 exceptions that are made
0:05:25 like incest for example some taboo
0:05:27 things that they have society still
0:05:28 haven't has a
0:05:29 civil rights movement yet for if there
0:05:31 was if there was a you know a hundred
0:05:33 thousand
0:05:33 people that had sexual feelings for
0:05:35 their sisters and their brothers and
0:05:36 they come hand in hand in the streets
0:05:37 and they say look give us our rights
0:05:39 maybe things will change but why should
0:05:43 it be the case that that should be
0:05:44 what has to happen in order for society
0:05:47 to accept them
0:05:48 right you know they have the same they
0:05:50 should have the same rights to sexually
0:05:52 explain
0:05:52 anyway that's a different question the
0:05:54 point is as muslims we say all of these
0:05:56 things
0:05:57 are go back to our expression as muslims
0:06:01 we say as muslims our morality is
0:06:04 defined by what quran
0:06:08 and through them with that heaven so on
0:06:10 yeah so if we believe that having sex
0:06:12 with a man
0:06:13 if you're a man is a sexual aberration
0:06:15 is irreligious is wrong
0:06:16 and you say no that's an illegitimate
0:06:18 belief then you're stopping us from
0:06:20 believing what we want to believe
0:06:21 where's the freedom of expression in
0:06:22 that we're not gonna we are not going to
0:06:26 sacrifice our expression
0:06:28 to satisfy your own expression
0:06:31 don't ever allow that to happen to your
0:06:33 community you have to fight tooth and
0:06:35 nail
0:06:36 before that ever happens in this
0:06:37 community don't let them win the
0:06:38 argument well
0:06:40 even on their principles there's no way
0:06:42 you can lose this argument
0:06:43 you should be allowed to believe that
0:06:45 having sex two men having sex with each
0:06:47 other
0:06:48 is a moral aberration is irreligious is
0:06:51 not correct it's never going to be
0:06:52 correct
0:06:52 in my eyes that doesn't mean now that
0:06:55 i'm going to be disrespectful to
0:06:56 homosexuals
0:06:57 no we're going to have a good
0:06:58 relationship with homosexuals because
0:07:00 allah
0:07:09 we haven't sent you except for uh as for
0:07:12 all of the people for all of the people
0:07:13 not just for
0:07:14 you know one sexuality there's no
0:07:15 discrimination well the prophet came for
0:07:17 everyone the homosexual the heterosexual
0:07:19 the bisexual
0:07:20 the black man the white man the green
0:07:21 man the yellow man everyone
0:07:23 he wasn't sent for specific people which
0:07:25 goes back to the racist point
0:07:26 racism point you amen and allah
0:07:37 or for a black man over a white man or a
0:07:39 white man so it's an
0:07:40 inclusive message of islam but that
0:07:43 should not mean
0:07:44 that we're going to change our morality
0:07:46 because now you're impinging on our
0:07:47 freedom of expression
0:07:49 and you're impinging on our freedom of
0:07:50 thought you're telling us what to
0:07:51 believe
0:07:52 you're telling us what to believe it's
0:07:54 the equivalent it's the moral equivalent
0:07:56 of someone who's a vegetarian who
0:07:58 believes that eating meat is wrong
0:08:00 yeah is told no you can't have that
0:08:02 belief because we have this you know
0:08:04 all these people are eating meat
0:08:05 therefore you know all
0:08:07 you're calling them immoral even if they
0:08:10 they believe that that is an immoral
0:08:12 action
0:08:12 and eating meat is wrong shouldn't they
0:08:15 be allowed to
0:08:16 believe right that eating meat is an
0:08:17 immoral action is vegetarianism going to
0:08:20 be outlawed
0:08:22 are you going to call it vegephobia
0:08:24 you're a vegetable
0:08:27 no no don't don't go there the lgbt
0:08:30 community
0:08:31 they have to know full well
0:08:34 and you have to make this case very
0:08:36 clearly
0:08:37 that we will definitely treat you with
0:08:40 respect
0:08:41 and definitely allow you to enter our
0:08:42 spaces they're more welcomed in
0:08:44 our spaces than we are welcome in our
0:08:45 spaces because we want them to come into
0:08:47 the mosques
0:08:47 we want the lg we want homosexuals to
0:08:49 come to the mosque from uh from
0:08:51 from muslim faith and non-muslim faith
0:08:53 and yeah it's not an impossibility to be
0:08:54 a muslim homosexual you can have those
0:08:56 feelings and you can even commit the
0:08:57 action we're not even going to
0:08:58 excommunicate you from islam
0:08:59 even if you have sex with a thousand men
0:09:01 we're not going to excommunicate you
0:09:02 from islam
0:09:03 sorry to say i'm but however we are
0:09:06 going to say that action is wrong
0:09:09 and if you are and if we are stopped
0:09:11 from doing this
0:09:12 because of this what's referred to as a
0:09:14 homo nationalist agenda
0:09:17 yes where homosexuals juxtapose
0:09:19 themselves away from the
0:09:20 muslims in order to find some homes
0:09:23 nation state in the western world and so
0:09:25 on
0:09:26 forget about it we're not going to
0:09:27 accept that muslim communities have to
0:09:29 be strong
0:09:30 just like jewish communities were just
0:09:33 like orthodox jewish communities were
0:09:35 just like christian communities in the
0:09:36 bible belt can say ridiculous things
0:09:38 you're going to hell you know shut up
0:09:42 be quiet redneck
0:09:45 donald trump and these guys be quiet
0:09:49 and they're allowed to do that anyhow i
0:09:50 got a gun here and they're walking
0:09:52 around with guns and
0:09:53 threatening behavior and they're okay
0:09:54 but us muslims we have to be victimized
0:09:56 otherwise
0:09:57 objected for homosexuals to
0:10:00 no we believe firmly
0:10:03 wholeheartedly definitely blatantly
0:10:06 obviously willingly that homosexuality
0:10:10 if done in practice is sinful and we
0:10:13 will never back down from that
0:10:15 don't ever let you don't ever let them
0:10:17 back down from that position
0:10:19 the moment you back down from that
0:10:21 position will allah you back down from
0:10:29 islam