Atheist Apologist tries to Disprove Quran with Science (2019-09-18) #

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0:00:23 you enjoyed the videos because one thing
0:00:24 you see these 80 is doing is when they
0:00:26 try to refute these verses they
0:00:28 initially approached the Quran and they
0:00:30 tried reading it as if it was a
0:00:32 scientific textbook right and then they
0:00:35 take that verse with their particular
0:00:37 interpretation which is twisted and then
0:00:39 they try to match you up with the
0:00:41 science and say here's an inaccuracy and
0:00:43 and likewise apologists will do the
0:00:45 opposite so apologists will say well
0:00:47 look there's that there is a scope here
0:00:49 for interpretive correlation yeah so
0:00:54 let's let's put them let's make a
0:00:55 correlation between scientific fact and
0:00:56 the verse but making it as if this is
0:00:59 what the verse means 100% and and you've
0:01:01 closed the door now to all other
0:01:03 interpretations yes
0:01:05 which you can't do for many reasons a
0:01:07 lot of them I should use Prudential yeah
0:01:09 for example if we're talking about
0:01:11 abortion you know you can't just say
0:01:14 okay it's 40 days and that's it
0:01:15 there is 102 that is an opinion forty
0:01:17 days is an opinion but you can't just
0:01:19 close the door and that's it yeah so
0:01:21 it's important to realize that there's
0:01:25 there's a danger of closing doors
0:01:27 because of sight because of modern
0:01:29 science and also not to forego science
0:01:32 so there is a happy medium like we can
0:01:33 kind of try and strike I think also
0:01:36 clarify here is that what is the
0:01:39 objective of the quran guidances yeah so
0:01:42 allah revealed it as a guidance for
0:01:43 humanity and in particular those people
0:01:45 have talked about that that will benefit
0:01:47 from it yeah that being the case we know
0:01:49 the Quran is guidance and it's guiding
0:01:51 people to worship Allah towards back
0:01:53 towards their Creator right so the ayat
0:01:56 of the Quran are gonna be they are gonna
0:01:59 be speaking to people from this primary
0:02:02 perspective which is bringing people
0:02:04 back to Allah speaking to the human
0:02:06 being speak to the fitrah so worshiping
0:02:08 Allah is the primary focus of the you
0:02:09 know there's a beautiful verse in surah
0:02:11 al-hajj
0:02:12 we're lost paralysis Welli Alamelu Dena
0:02:16 ooh - Lila and the whole hakama Rebecca
0:02:19 Fatah beetle how cool ooh boom when
0:02:22 Allah Allah had in ladina a menorah last
0:02:24 year awesomest of him and this verse is
0:02:27 very powerful because it made me think
0:02:30 of kind of what you're talking about but
0:02:31 on a different level Allah subhana WA
0:02:33 Ta'ala says so that he was talking about
0:02:36 certain situation how he reveals
0:02:39 revelation Shaitaan tries to get
0:02:40 involved in a loss behind how that
0:02:42 deletes his intervention and so on so
0:02:43 forth but then he gives a reason he says
0:02:46 well yeah lamella Dina O'Toole I'm so
0:02:47 the people who have been given knowledge
0:02:48 know that is the truth from their Lord
0:02:51 for you min will be so that and then
0:02:54 they become believers of it were to meet
0:02:56 a local Imam and the hearts become
0:02:58 inclined to it were in Allah hell I had
0:02:59 in Ladino my less awesome assignment I
0:03:01 lost panna cotta is gonna guide the
0:03:02 people who believe in to the straight
0:03:04 path so this verse made me think that
0:03:07 Allah subhana WA Ta'ala he has he leaves
0:03:10 no Quran is multi-layered in that sense
0:03:13 yes he speaks to different people with
0:03:15 the same voice yes
0:03:17 and when I say voice he I'm not talking
0:03:18 about you know literal voice I'm talking
0:03:20 about in the same tone right so in
0:03:23 you've got in the same language
0:03:24 something which speaks to this person
0:03:26 and to that person
0:03:27 in other words the Quran is meant to
0:03:32 speak to the farm and the philosopher
0:03:33 yes
0:03:34 it's meant to speak to the student and
0:03:36 the scientist yes it's meant to speak to
0:03:38 the family man and you know I'm trying
0:03:42 to think of another F now way to make it
0:03:45 alliteration and Mabel can just say
0:03:49 physicist okay even though it's not an
0:03:51 official but what you see so allah
0:03:59 subhanahu wa'ta'ala he the quran a
0:04:01 scientist could not look at the quran
0:04:03 say this is completely ridiculous yes
0:04:05 that's it can't happen
0:04:06 believe me I've looked at the Quran I
0:04:07 know it very well okay so you cannot say
0:04:10 it's ridiculous from a sign even a
0:04:11 modern scientific perspective you can't
0:04:13 and if you think it is like that is
0:04:15 because you have received some kind of
0:04:16 propaganda yes at the same time if you
0:04:20 have if you look at the Quran in an by
0:04:22 looking and saying okay well you know
0:04:24 it's also science like a scientist
0:04:25 book you'd not understood yeah we're
0:04:29 trying to be objective here because a
0:04:30 lot of penalty Allah says in the Quran
0:04:32 well enter Quran Allah him la talla moon
0:04:34 one of the worst sins is that you say
0:04:36 about Allah what you don't know
0:04:38 and the professor Solari said in the
0:04:39 hadith McKenna Bali and what time and
0:04:41 then Philemon whoever lies about me
0:04:45 intentionally they let him prepare see
0:04:47 in the Hellfire so we have to be when we
0:04:49 approach the Quran we have to be fair
0:04:50 objective and look at what the author
0:04:53 actually intended yes and I think you
0:04:55 touched really good point that it's the
0:04:56 happy medium unless speaking to all
0:04:58 people yet the whole of humanity who
0:05:00 then leaned a solace is your address for
0:05:02 the whole of humanity yeah but I think
0:05:03 tying in with this we also know as the
0:05:07 Quran is guidance specifically for the
0:05:09 people or the people that benefit from
0:05:10 me other people of taqwa yes right good
0:05:12 then what 13 well so understanding that
0:05:16 like I said even if a scientist
0:05:17 approaches it I would say like you said
0:05:20 they would they would not ridicule or
0:05:21 dismiss the Quran yeah if they really
0:05:23 honestly come to it yeah and that's the
0:05:25 key it's a lot elope we're making their
0:05:28 house if they're really looking for it
0:05:30 they'll see that's how it's an ancient
0:05:33 document but it's hitting all the right
0:05:35 chords from this perspective that it's
0:05:36 not deviating from what we have so it's
0:05:39 not a scientific textbook no yes but it
0:05:41 says things which I mean with what we
0:05:43 understand yeah and that's quite
0:05:44 powerfully and that projective yeah
0:05:46 that being said bro talking about people
0:05:50 of taqwa and humility that approach the
0:05:51 Quran and they will find guidance in it
0:05:53 we have the opposite end of the spectrum
0:05:54 to the some of the New Atheists and
0:05:58 atheists online that are attacking the
0:06:00 Quran now we've clarified this is not
0:06:01 you can't claim scientific miracles in
0:06:03 that type of sense in the Quran itself
0:06:05 and we've talked about extensively but
0:06:06 just briefly to touch upon it like we
0:06:09 said we're gonna talk about this video
0:06:10 put about put out by the rationality
0:06:13 wheels and genetically-modified skeptic
0:06:15 and they obviously tried in a refutation
0:06:16 of a video that some Muslim brothers put
0:06:19 out regarding the scientific marks on
0:06:20 the Quran hopefully this will get
0:06:22 Muslims to as to why we should a new
0:06:23 scientific miracles and highlight the
0:06:25 issues with it but some of the claims
0:06:27 that they make
0:06:28 how would you well let's listen you
0:06:31 example right and tell me you give me an
0:06:32 ala sister this is about two minutes
0:06:34 thirty seconds into the video
0:06:35 and he rationality rules is giving his
0:06:38 opinion regarding I am being sent down
0:06:42 iron is not natural to the earth it did
0:06:48 not form on the earth but came down to
0:06:50 earth from outer space scientists have
0:06:52 found that billions of years ago the
0:06:54 earth was stuck by meteorites these
0:06:57 meteorites were carrying iron from
0:06:59 distant stars which had exploded the
0:07:04 Quran says the following on the origin
0:07:06 of ayran we sent down iron with his
0:07:10 great inherent strength and its many
0:07:13 benefits for humankind the fact that
0:07:16 iron came down to earth from outer space
0:07:18 is something which could not be known by
0:07:21 the primitive science of the 7th century
0:07:23 now the first thing to be said about
0:07:25 this miracle is this point protestations
0:07:28 to the contrary people knew way before
0:07:30 the 7th century the iron comes from
0:07:32 meteorites for example when
0:07:34 approximately 1295 BC or 1900 years
0:07:39 before islam a hieroglyphic word
0:07:41 appeared that literally translates to
0:07:43 from the sky and it was applied to all
0:07:46 metallic iron from this time onwards
0:07:48 so using chronic logic i guess this
0:07:50 proves that a man RAR exists right ok I
0:07:56 think both both by the way bro he does
0:07:59 what they do is they do this throughout
0:08:01 the research the same approach yeah I
0:08:03 think that both arguments are
0:08:06 problematic that the argument of the
0:08:08 apologists Muslim apologists and the
0:08:10 argument of the atheist apologist and
0:08:12 they are both apologists yes so the
0:08:15 argument of the Muslim apologists is I
0:08:18 would say inconsistent if you look at
0:08:20 the whole Quran a lot of partisans will
0:08:22 are off the cut and then alaykum
0:08:25 Lieberson you worry so a tegu militia
0:08:27 well you best talk about that like a
0:08:29 fire Allah so Allah says we have sent
0:08:31 down for you clothes raymond a doorman
0:08:35 whatever you want to call it to kind of
0:08:37 cover yourselves and so on and so forth
0:08:39 now if you ask or if you look at the
0:08:41 face here does it mean allah subhanaw
0:08:43 taala literally sent down clothes yeah
0:08:48 you know it does not mean that or it
0:08:50 could mean that or could not mean that
0:08:52 but what I'm saying is that for for this
0:08:55 to work you have to suspend all
0:08:57 possibilities of majazi meanings or
0:09:01 possibilities of it meaning being a
0:09:03 metaphor or figurative speech even if
0:09:06 you don't believe that there's such a
0:09:07 thing as majestic or unlike even Tamiya
0:09:10 had the opinion that there's no such
0:09:12 thing as metaphor in the Quran it's it
0:09:16 still be some kind of idiom or
0:09:18 figurative expression yeah you'd have to
0:09:21 make sure you'd have to be a hundred
0:09:22 percent sure that when a lot of heart
0:09:24 Allah says in the Quran when general
0:09:26 Hadid we have sent down iron that he
0:09:28 does not mean by that we have provided
0:09:31 iron we have created I in this order and
0:09:33 you cannot dismiss that Allah could have
0:09:36 meant that hmm but you also could have
0:09:39 meant during the verse you quoted bro
0:09:40 yeah that lust sent down clothes
0:09:42 clothing all right but aligns the worst
0:09:44 by saying but the clothing of taqwa is
0:09:46 burning a very beautiful pearl equated
0:09:47 with aqua and so that the objective
0:09:50 there seems to be getting the human to
0:09:52 reflect over near the distinction
0:09:54 between a physical type of clothing and
0:09:56 that spiritual clothing yeah absolutely
0:09:57 so