Muslims reacting to Jordan Peterson on Islam (ft Dilly Hussain) (2020-09-30) ​

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"Muslims reacting to Jordan Peterson on Islam (ft Dilly Hussain)," Muslim thinkers react to and criticize Jordan Peterson's views on Islam. They argue that Peterson is ignorant of Islam and that his views are based on a Eurocentric perspective. They also suggest that more people need to hear the Muslim perspective on these issues.

00:00:00 Jordan Peterson discusses the fear muslims have of the West, and how this fear has been used to support the West. He argues that a historical perspective shows that muslims have been supportive of science and other advancements, and that the West is not as bad as people make it out to be.

• 00:05:00 The presenter discusses how Jordan Peterson believes that Islam is incompatible with secularism and that this is a problem for the west. They also talk about how, according to Peterson, the separation of church and state is something that is uniquely European and not applicable to other civilizations.
• 00:10:00 , Muslim thinkers react to Jordan Peterson's views on Islam. Dilly Hussain argues that Peterson is ignorant of Islam to protect his honor and integrity, and that Jesus would be a failure on a capitalist or liberal model due to his aesthetic value judgments.
• 00:15:00 Jordan Peterson discusses totalitarianism and hierarchy in regards to Islam, and some of his past praise of certain structures is criticized. 's host and others discuss Islam and Peterson's views, and suggest that more people hear the Muslim perspective.

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0:00:00 [Music]0:00:05 is the hijab 100:00:07 discount code for 10 percent discount on0:00:09 a wide range of products including0:00:11 premium ethiopian black seed products0:00:14 so how are you guys doing0:00:18 today me and delhi hussain are going to0:00:21 be looking at0:00:22 some of the comments that jordan0:00:23 peterson has made about islam0:00:25 and responding but before we do so0:00:27 obviously we know that he's in rehab0:00:29 so what do we want to say we wish him0:00:30 all the best and you know0:00:32 a good recovery and a whole whatever0:00:34 difficulties0:00:35 mental physically he's going through0:00:36 that you know it's eased and0:00:38 you know that he goes back to his family0:00:39 and loved ones in a good state0:00:42 absolutely let's get straight into this0:00:43 um the first video i want to react to0:00:46 is basically like a minute long video um0:00:49 let's watch0:00:49 the key part0:00:53 part of the reason that islam has its0:00:55 back up with regards to the west to such0:00:58 a degree0:00:58 i mean there's many reasons and not all0:01:00 of them are valid that's for sure but0:01:02 one of the reasons is that you know they0:01:04 being still grounded in a0:01:06 in a in a dream let's say they can see0:01:09 that the rootless0:01:11 questioning mind of the west poses a0:01:13 tremendous danger to the integrity of0:01:15 their culture0:01:16 now and it does i mean westerners us0:01:19 we undermine ourselves all the time with0:01:22 our searching intellect and i'm not0:01:23 complaining about that0:01:25 you know i mean it it there isn't0:01:27 anything easy that can be done about it0:01:29 but0:01:30 but it's still it's still a sort of0:01:34 fruitful catastrophe let's be very clear0:01:36 as well first and foremost the only0:01:37 thing that muslims0:01:39 are scared of as you mentioned rightly0:01:41 so i'm taking your line from you0:01:43 is when the next bomb is dropping above0:01:44 the skies and the next drone attack0:01:46 that's the only thing that muslims0:01:47 generally are0:01:48 scared of i'm happy that you use the0:01:50 word muslims because like0:01:52 in the readings usually when islam is0:01:53 spoken of it's actually usually spoken0:01:55 of0:01:56 either in a religious sense or0:01:57 civilization or civilizational sense but0:01:59 now we don't have an islamic0:02:00 civilization0:02:01 the the last caliphate was you know it0:02:03 was 1924 yeah0:02:05 so so we don't have a muslims of islam0:02:08 to be spoken of in that way we just have0:02:10 1.8 billion muslims0:02:12 which i find difficult to generalize in0:02:14 a few sentences0:02:15 much less a minute one minute absolutely0:02:17 i mean look there's 570:02:19 muslim majority nation states he's not0:02:20 even referring to the oic or the arab0:02:22 league or anything like this0:02:24 but i think the point he's trying to get0:02:25 at which is uh unequivocally incorrect0:02:28 is that0:02:29 islam or let's just say muslims are0:02:31 scared of0:02:32 alternative thinking of challenging0:02:34 their views challenging their0:02:36 epistemology in the way0:02:37 judeo-christianity has done right but we0:02:40 can quickly nip that on the bud0:02:41 every world view every civilization if0:02:44 he was referring to islam from a0:02:45 civilizational point of view which0:02:47 wouldn't be factual in this present0:02:48 moment in time0:02:48 over the last 89 years is that every0:02:52 world view0:02:52 has its mechanisms in place to not just0:02:55 preserve0:02:56 its belief system and values but to0:02:59 actually advance it0:03:00 so this is not something that's unique0:03:01 to islamists to all civilization all0:03:04 world views yeah0:03:05 yeah but since we don't have an islamic0:03:06 civilization at the moment we can only0:03:08 assume that he's referring to 1.80:03:09 billion muslims0:03:11 and the only thing they're scared of as0:03:12 we've already mentioned is when their0:03:14 countries are going to be invaded when0:03:15 their resources haven't been looted and0:03:17 when the next bombs are going to come0:03:18 under the name of democracy0:03:19 that's the only really thing that they0:03:21 are actually scared of i think0:03:23 that is pretty much sufficient and i0:03:25 think if we wanted to add one last point0:03:27 it would be0:03:28 that from a historical perspective i0:03:30 mean we do know that the advancement0:03:32 of science in fact the scientific method0:03:34 itself0:03:35 has been through muslim scientists like0:03:37 him hatham et cetera0:03:38 and obviously uh the polymaths that0:03:41 existed and i've actually got0:03:43 i've got a video on that the top 100:03:45 polymaths0:03:46 in muslim world so you can look at some0:03:48 of those names they all existed in0:03:49 islamic civilization and by the way not0:03:51 all of them were muslims0:03:52 like some of the greatest jewish0:03:54 thinkers like maimonides for example0:03:56 existed on the muslim rule yeah what you0:03:59 have to look at is the convavencio0:04:01 that happened in spain if for i don't0:04:03 know 600 years or whatever it was0:04:05 and so you gotta look at all these0:04:07 aspects if we're looking if we're0:04:08 talking0:04:08 in a historical way then once again the0:04:11 the statement is so0:04:13 hastily generalized that it's actually0:04:15 beggars believe that someone of such0:04:17 high intellectual standing would make0:04:19 such a generalized0:04:20 also also we have sex i mean if we're to0:04:23 go by0:04:24 what western thinkers and rulers and0:04:26 governments and establishment states0:04:27 have said0:04:28 especially in the wake of 9 11 there is0:04:30 been a consistent theme0:04:32 that they are after they are after and0:04:34 by they they talk about islamist0:04:36 extremists or whatever they want to say0:04:37 they want to change our way of life0:04:39 our way of life our freedoms our0:04:41 democracy so0:04:42 if there's anything that can be posited0:04:44 is that the west is good0:04:46 because because islam holistically0:04:48 provides an alternative to mankind0:04:50 right so really but it's interesting0:04:52 because we're scared but we're meant to0:04:54 be the one that inflicting0:04:55 exactly exactly are we are we are we0:04:58 scared are we the victim here or are we0:05:00 the perpetrator0:05:01 are we the terrorists yes because it0:05:03 seems like you want to have your cake0:05:04 yeah0:05:05 and eat it both but we'll come to that0:05:06 when we speak about the next video0:05:08 um let's let's see another thing which i0:05:11 think is probably the most comprehensive0:05:13 clip that he has on the internet about0:05:15 islam0:05:16 where he speaks about someone asks him a0:05:18 very long question in one of his0:05:20 lectures and he asks him about the0:05:23 different similarities and differences0:05:24 between islam and christianity and0:05:26 judaism0:05:27 and let's take a look at his answer0:05:29 let's take a look at what he says0:05:31 and so one is what i see as the failure0:05:35 to separate church from state0:05:37 and that's a problem0:05:41 now it may not be a problem as such but0:05:44 it's certainly a problem in relationship0:05:45 to the relation between islam and the0:05:47 west because we separate church from0:05:49 state0:05:50 so the first thing he spoke about was0:05:51 basically secularism yeah0:05:53 so he's he's saying that the problem0:05:56 with islam is that it's0:05:57 incapability of being secular in the0:06:00 same way as christianity is for obvious0:06:02 reasons0:06:02 obviously there's a verse in the bible0:06:04 about caesar and of course and and0:06:06 jesus and so i've got to remember to see0:06:08 that what belongs to0:06:09 god belongs to god so um what do you0:06:12 make of this0:06:12 bro as a as a student of politics right0:06:15 we were always taught0:06:16 uh at university on a ba level that the0:06:19 church generally was an oppressive0:06:21 structure0:06:22 in europe right and that includes0:06:24 obviously the eastern byzantium empire0:06:26 as well right0:06:27 because they prevented the advancement0:06:29 of human intellect0:06:30 on so many levels the very fact that the0:06:32 bible was not accessible from from0:06:34 a linguistic point of view to the masses0:06:35 the very fact that women0:06:37 were kind of discouraged from accessing0:06:39 the bible so it makes0:06:40 absolute sense that christianity0:06:44 as an establishment as a polity whether0:06:46 you look at it from the vatican point of0:06:48 view or from the eastern point of view0:06:49 that it was already seen as an0:06:51 oppressive mode of system which0:06:52 prevented human advances and even that0:06:54 requires some discussion exactly of0:06:56 course0:06:57 however that is not the experience that0:07:00 muslims had with islam0:07:02 in fact you'll actually find that under0:07:03 various islamic caliphates emirates0:07:05 sultanates and so forth0:07:07 that human advancement in the fields of0:07:09 maths and science was something that was0:07:10 encouraged and actually0:07:11 linked to the polity the state the0:07:14 civilization and the religion itself0:07:16 so this is a huge and common and0:07:19 repetitive mistake0:07:20 that many western thinkers especially0:07:24 liberals make when they try to0:07:25 superimpose the0:07:26 european christian experience to the0:07:28 muslim world and it's actually quite0:07:30 clear that when0:07:31 muslims moved away from islam from a0:07:35 holistic civilizational point of view0:07:37 that is when our problems occurred0:07:39 and for me i think i see another problem0:07:41 with this whole thing as well which is0:07:42 that0:07:44 really how do you prove secularism is0:07:46 true absolutely0:07:47 i mean on an epistemological perspective0:07:49 you're starting with the0:07:51 starting point which is that secularism0:07:52 is true islam is not inc0:07:54 it's not um compatible with it therefore0:07:56 islam is not it's not or it's not true0:07:58 or it's not good or it's not0:07:59 uh what we want it to be but the point0:08:02 is0:08:03 why don't you prove your secularism to0:08:06 us0:08:06 on an epistemological perspective is it0:08:08 objectively true absolutely is it0:08:09 something which can be measurably um0:08:12 seen to be true i i don't think it is0:08:14 and and this is where you start with0:08:16 it's like me saying well look at the0:08:17 christian experience or whatever0:08:19 experience it's not in line with islam0:08:22 this is not really um a fair starting0:08:24 point a first time point is to actually0:08:26 have0:08:27 epistemology argued in the first place0:08:29 from first principles0:08:31 for either islam and or secularism0:08:33 tested scrutinized and that's happened0:08:34 and let's have that discussion but0:08:35 you're starting off with within that you0:08:37 represent the default right you don't0:08:39 we remember that the separation of0:08:41 church and state is distinctly european0:08:43 and it's a new phenomena as is the0:08:45 nation state as professor noam chomsky0:08:47 in a recent podcast i did with him about0:08:49 the nation state yes0:08:50 and the caliphate um even you know he's0:08:53 a very one of the most celebrated0:08:54 thinkers of our century right0:08:56 and even he said that look the nation0:08:58 state is very new0:08:59 and and and all these other isms and0:09:01 schisms were born out of0:09:02 europe's struggle with christianity and0:09:05 it's not necessarily applicable0:09:06 to let's say the islamic civilization0:09:08 but he made the same0:09:10 he made a similar assumption as peterson0:09:12 when he said0:09:14 that centralized authority in the form0:09:15 of a caliphate is something that's0:09:17 discouraging he doesn't support them but0:09:18 let me tell you something is interesting0:09:20 because i remember one quote0:09:22 maybe someone will find it for me but0:09:24 they said in this quote that0:09:26 you tell me what religion is and i'll0:09:27 tell you what secularism is yeah0:09:29 the assumption also is always that0:09:31 liberalism and democracy and marxism0:09:33 communism all those ideology political0:09:35 ideologies are not religious0:09:37 but that of course depends upon the0:09:39 sociological definition of religion that0:09:41 you're going to employ0:09:41 absolutely there are many sociological0:09:43 definitions employed0:09:45 which would allow these ideologies to to0:09:48 actually be defined as the religions0:09:50 and if they are a way of life as a0:09:51 religion and if they are then secularism0:09:53 for all intents and purposes in the west0:09:55 doesn't actually exist0:09:56 anyway yeah it's really just not if only0:09:59 we wanna we want to0:10:00 um you know connect religion with0:10:03 ritualistic practices in the0:10:04 supernatural yeah0:10:05 it would have to be that definition of0:10:07 religion which would mean0:10:09 that secularism is is only applicable0:10:11 for one group of people if i can quickly0:10:12 just also just you know wrap up this0:10:14 whole kind of church and state kind of0:10:15 thing yeah0:10:16 look there's there's a huge conversation0:10:17 that's taken place especially in the0:10:19 last 20 years amongst uh you know um0:10:21 thinkers and think tanks and entire0:10:23 governments that when will the muslim0:10:25 majority world have an enlightenment0:10:27 yeah the truth be told is that there0:10:29 won't be an enlightenment in which you0:10:31 envision0:10:32 where they want an unequivocal and quite0:10:34 an apparent separation of religion of0:10:36 the state well that's already in place0:10:37 in the muslim majority world0:10:39 majority of the muslim majority nation0:10:40 states are secular in their constitution0:10:42 with exception to a handful0:10:44 and even they have many secular elements0:10:46 the point i'm trying to make is the0:10:47 reason why there was the0:10:48 the enlightenment the pulse0:10:49 enlightenment all those other uh you0:10:51 know0:10:52 historical moments and events in0:10:54 european history0:10:55 it was born out of the people's struggle0:10:57 with0:10:58 the christian power structures that0:11:00 didn't take place in the muslim world0:11:02 because there wasn't an intellectual0:11:04 opposition between the state or0:11:05 civilization0:11:06 and the masses and the religion itself0:11:09 right so let's look at the second part0:11:10 of this0:11:11 particular video problem number two for0:11:14 me0:11:15 and again this may be a consequence of0:11:16 my ignorance which i'm trying to rectify0:11:20 muhammad was a warlord0:11:23 and i i don't know what to do about that0:11:25 fact0:11:27 so here when he's referring to the0:11:28 prophet muhammad he refers to him as a0:11:30 warlord yeah0:11:32 now what i find really strange about0:11:35 this0:11:35 is he's not using neutral language as an0:11:38 intellectual if you want to describe a0:11:39 historical character who whoever it may0:11:41 be0:11:42 you should have the integrity to use0:11:44 neutral language a warlord is not0:11:46 neutral language you could0:11:47 you could very how much i've said0:11:49 militarily successful0:11:51 yes and it would have had exactly the0:11:52 same effect but of course0:11:54 attaching the word successful or using0:11:56 it as an adjective for the prophet0:11:57 muhammad would0:11:58 defy quite frankly what seems to be your0:12:01 agenda0:12:01 even though throughout this clip he0:12:04 keeps saying that he's ignorant of islam0:12:06 to protect his honor and his integrity0:12:08 hopefully i'll get an opportunity to0:12:10 talk to them because i would like to0:12:12 know why0:12:12 i would like to know if what i think is0:12:14 wrong0:12:16 because if it's wrong it's important0:12:18 that i know it's wrong0:12:19 now what i don't know about islam would0:12:22 fill very many volumes0:12:23 many of which i have sitting on my0:12:25 shelves at home right now because i want0:12:26 to do the reading you know0:12:28 as i progress through this but0:12:34 yeah all his um0:12:38 whatever it is he's trying to protect0:12:39 but the truth of the matter is you are0:12:41 making so many assertions0:12:43 if you're ignorant you should really not0:12:44 say anything at all about this situation0:12:46 but you have said that a warlord the0:12:49 problem with this0:12:50 a secondary problem that i see with it0:12:52 is that0:12:53 he was just praising quite frankly and0:12:56 he does in other places western values0:12:58 one of the hallmarks of western0:13:00 civilization is liberalism0:13:02 and not just political liberalism or0:13:03 social liberalism but also economic0:13:05 liberalism which is also0:13:06 known as capitalism right free market0:13:07 economics yeah0:13:09 but at the heart of free market0:13:10 economics and0:13:12 supply side economics is um competition0:13:15 competition right and meritocracy0:13:19 and if that is the case those who are0:13:21 most expansive0:13:22 those who are most successful militarily0:13:24 financially and so on are the most0:13:26 praised0:13:26 are the most praised exactly so on your0:13:28 world view0:13:29 shouldn't the prophet muhammad if he is0:13:31 a warlord according to your0:13:33 understanding0:13:34 of it be praised for being that in fact0:13:37 jesus on the conception of christianity0:13:38 would be a failure on the capitalistic0:13:40 or liberal model0:13:41 because jesus was according to the0:13:43 obviously we don't believe in this as0:13:44 muslims we don't believe in this at all0:13:46 but0:13:46 according to the christian model was0:13:48 killed he was crucified and so on it was0:13:51 beaten his lash was spat0:13:53 humiliated and all of these things now0:13:55 wouldn't this fit0:13:56 a model of a competitive failure0:14:00 he actually did not triumph over his uh0:14:02 opposition0:14:03 i mean put it in modern parlance it's0:14:05 like an mma fight taking place0:14:07 and the loser being praised absolutely0:14:10 this wouldn't take place0:14:12 i'm sorry but what seems to be happening0:14:14 is you're actually using aesthetic value0:14:16 judgments0:14:17 um putting aside those values which you0:14:20 claim in other places0:14:22 are good values and so now i read0:14:26 infidel0:14:27 and i really like that book like i i my0:14:30 sense was that she0:14:31 she was a heroine there's another part0:14:34 of this clip where he talks and praises0:14:35 ayan hershey0:14:37 um saying that she's come up you know0:14:39 certain family0:14:40 you know to tell he used to a0:14:42 totalitarian even though he hasn't heard0:14:44 the side of her mother or her father0:14:45 yeah and once again he's privileging her0:14:47 voice over their voices0:14:49 which is problematic quite frankly0:14:51 because she came out of a0:14:52 uh like a totalitarian0:14:56 let's say family structure in a0:14:58 relatively totalitarian society0:15:01 yeah so what do you think so look i mean0:15:03 he wasn't exactly very specific with0:15:05 regards to what he's referring to as0:15:06 totalitarian how do you0:15:08 had he been referring to let's say0:15:09 somalia as a society or a country then0:15:11 we can you know analyze this and0:15:13 you know scrutinize his his assessment0:15:14 of this but he mentioned hierarchy0:15:16 and he mentioned structures now the0:15:18 irony here is that jordan peterson0:15:20 previously in various interviews he's0:15:23 actually0:15:24 praised certain elements of certain0:15:26 structures0:15:27 yeah hierarchies especially those that0:15:29 have a heavy male presence hence why0:15:32 he one of his many criticisms from the0:15:34 feminist is that this man is a0:15:35 perpetuator of patriarchal systems0:15:37 so here we find yet again another0:15:39 inconsistent what appears to be an0:15:41 inconsistency0:15:42 where he has on record praised certain0:15:45 structures0:15:45 which has been interpreted as0:15:47 totalitarian by let's say0:15:49 uh feminists and others but here he has0:15:51 he has a problem0:15:53 he is praising ayan hirsi for moving0:15:55 away from a totalitarian structure and0:15:56 hierarchy0:15:57 yeah i think what's happening with0:15:58 jordan peace i think a lot of people0:16:00 realize is that0:16:01 if he actually assesses his own views0:16:03 and compares them with islam he would0:16:05 see that much of his views are0:16:07 very similar to the islamic model very0:16:09 compatible very competitive0:16:11 but i think that there may be an agenda0:16:15 yeah you know someone could say that0:16:18 he's being influenced by some of his0:16:20 friends and yeah sam harris imagine0:16:22 noise douglas murray and hershey he has0:16:24 been around their influence and these0:16:25 are some of the0:16:26 and it's actually i don't know quite0:16:28 frankly is making him not see0:16:30 the full the full picture but jordan0:16:32 pearson to be fair to him right is not0:16:34 always0:16:35 unnuanced analysis like for example when0:16:37 he was asked one time about the age of0:16:39 haisha0:16:40 um his marriage to the age of ayasha0:16:43 was union of her a young age he actually0:16:46 answered in a very nuanced way let's0:16:47 take a look at what he actually said0:16:49 he had a child bride as well i believe0:16:52 yeah well that0:16:52 that one is somewhat less problematic to0:16:56 me0:16:56 because i think that you can write that0:17:00 off to the0:17:01 cultural maurice of the time so as you0:17:03 can see here he's very nuanced he0:17:05 doesn't see this as completely0:17:06 like he even says it's not that0:17:08 problematic for me which0:17:10 i mean to be honest this is the main0:17:12 argument against islam for many of the0:17:13 islamophobes0:17:14 yeah so i i do think there's a lot to be0:17:16 said here but0:17:18 of course me and you are both very happy0:17:20 to to host this man0:17:21 yeah when he gets better or his daughter0:17:24 i think she has a0:17:25 podcast as well we can we can share our0:17:27 muslim perspective0:17:28 and i believe that more people need to0:17:30 hear this muslim0:17:32 perspective we'll put our emails in the0:17:34 description just put your title as your0:17:36 name0:17:37 and we'll be happy either of us to have0:17:40 you on our podcast0:17:41 is there anything else you want to say0:17:42 no i mean you can come over here in the0:17:43 uk we'll come and see you over in canada0:17:45 or we can do it on zoom yeah whether0:17:46 it's convenient for you mr peterson0:17:48 and mr dr peterson you should say no0:17:51 mister will suffice0:17:53 he just stripped some of his title yeah0:17:55 that's fine he's not well at the moment0:17:57 so on that note um on that note i'll say0:18:02 you know hopefully get better and0:18:04 hopefully when you get a chance you can0:18:05 you can re0:18:06 research islam a little bit more you you0:18:08 wanna you know the best cure for0:18:09 ignorance is a question0:18:11 but the best question is that which is0:18:13 asked to the right people0:18:14 and i hope you ask the muslim community0:18:17 about islam0:18:18 not those individuals that you're0:18:19 hanging around was0:18:26 allah0:18:34 you