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Shocking Evidence of Charity Fraud in the Muslim Community. (2019-06-26) ​

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All evidences can be found on this twitter account - https://twitter.com/abuhafsa_khan?lang=en

Asif Khan Abu Hafsa statement.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t7d3t5lqkih33wj/A response to CLARIFYING THE LIES Final.pdf?dl=0

Bid Document with Council. https://www.dropbox.com/s/lz898ygr50wck09/riic ice bid3 (2).pages?dl=0

END OF YEAR REPORT https://www.dropbox.com/s/qjkprsxnsy6d71b/END OF YEAR REPORT RIIC.doc?dl=0

Evidence List and Wittiness Statements https://www.dropbox.com/s/gtrzc4466vons9q/2018-02-03 12-36.pdf?dl=0

Inner city guidance records https://www.companiesintheuk.co.uk/ltd/inner-city-guidance

Salafi publications Charity records https://beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?regid=1083080&subid=0

Summary of Shocking Evidence of Charity Fraud in the Muslim Community. ​

This summary is AI generated - there may be inaccuracies. *

00:00:00 [00:25:00 ​

discusses how some members of the Muslim community are using religion to get a economically. suggests that the Reading Islamic Information Center has been using the charity registration number of GG Bells to claim tax relief, which is an allegation of council tax fraud.

00:00:00 an investigator speaks about charity fraud in the Muslim community. They allege that a group of people took money from government counter-terrorism funds with the intention of radicalizing Muslims. The witness provides evidence of the money's misuse.

  • 00:05:00 of the video presents evidence that Muslim charity organizations are often fraudulent, with funds being misused or stolen. also suggests that the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) may have been complicit in these frauds.
  • 00:10:00 provides evidence of charity fraud in the Muslim community, with allegations that money was misused to fund personal expenses. After the evidence was presented, the community leaders contacted the police, and an investigation was launched.
  • 00:15:00 Discusses how some members of the Muslim community are using religion to get a economically. suggests that the Reading Islamic Information Center has been using the charity registration number of GG Bells to claim tax relief, which is an allegation of council tax fraud.
  • 00:20:00 Discusses a recent scandal in which a charity group claimed to be radicalizing Muslims, but was later found to be scamming people and double-dealing. The interviewee suggests that there is a flaw in the way Muslims are prevented from radicalizing, and argues that the scandal has opened up many windows of inquiry into how Muslims are treated in the UK.
  • 00:25:00 shows shocking evidence of charity fraud in the Muslim community. Some organizations claim to be helping to promote Islam, but are actually misusing donations to fund their own interests. Meanwhile, the government is giving money to these same organizations without knowing what they're doing. This is a problem because it's contributing to the radicalization of Muslim people.

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0:00:00 assalamu aleikum wa rahmatullah wa0:00:01 barakato we have come here to reading to0:00:04 address a very serious issue and one0:00:06 which concerns both Muslim communities0:00:08 and non-muslim communities the question0:00:11 is when the government gives money to0:00:13 Muslim organizations for0:00:16 counterterrorism what do these Muslim0:00:18 organizations do today we're going to0:00:21 investigate the case of the Salafi0:00:24 publications and their offshoots and0:00:27 associates a group of people who have a0:00:30 record of accepting money from prevent0:00:32 and other counter extremism agencies0:00:36 with the pretense of being able to0:00:38 counter all yeah D radicalize if you0:00:41 like Muslim people the question is is0:00:44 that really what they're doing with the0:00:46 money0:00:47 is it advisable for taxpayers money to0:00:49 go on such services and such activities0:00:54 when in fact there can be evidences and0:00:57 there are allegations of the money being0:01:01 this approach misappropriated today0:01:03 we're going to speak to one of the0:01:05 affected parties in reading in a famous0:01:07 case where there is compelling evidence0:01:11 for the allegation of a misappropriation0:01:13 of funds we will talk about with our key0:01:17 witness some of the real problems0:01:19 pertaining to how these organizations0:01:23 make the initial bid to D radicalize0:01:26 Muslim communities take money and we0:01:30 don't see the fruits of such d0:01:31 radicalization at all salam alikum0:01:35 warahmatu liar what I care - I'm here in0:01:37 reading with that we'll have saw one of0:01:39 the main witnesses for this case this0:01:42 case which of misappropriation of wealth0:01:45 and and basically this this case is0:01:50 about sixteen and a half thousand pounds0:01:51 I have been taken from counsel money and0:01:53 and actually misappropriated completely0:01:56 so what I'm gonna be asking Bahasa today0:01:59 is about the evidence for that so alikum0:02:01 how you have bahasa I'm going to put0:02:04 over half so social media details in my0:02:06 description box so you can see a list of0:02:08 all documents that will be referred to0:02:11 today0:02:11 in on his Twitter and also I'll be0:02:14 making a specific reference to send0:02:17 documents and putting those specific0:02:19 documents in the description box as well0:02:20 so my first question is 16 and a half0:02:23 thousand pounds you allege has been0:02:26 taken i misappropriated by this this0:02:30 community or these individuals that take0:02:33 I've taken it what is your evidence for0:02:34 that okay our evidence is that we have a0:02:38 witness who was involved in the whole0:02:42 project yeah brother name is e Samantha0:02:46 and he first informed us that these0:02:50 brothers meaning the problems were run0:02:52 in the Masjid that was called ready0:02:53 Islamic information center yes that they0:02:56 applied for funding under the prevent0:02:59 scheme and they were awarded the funding0:03:01 our first will be her this will kind of0:03:04 surprised when I was shocked actually to0:03:06 find that those brothers had received is0:03:08 funny because I was not aware of this0:03:11 hmm so I party so look you need to prove0:03:15 this so you need to bring the evidences0:03:17 so he searches are come ahead into it he0:03:20 went to the counter the following day0:03:21 and I went with him so we both went to0:03:24 the council and ISA obtained the0:03:26 documents from the cancer so what you0:03:28 obtained was that you obtained a big0:03:30 document which is an application which0:03:33 the brothers put forward requesting the0:03:35 funding and we received the contract on0:03:38 the cancer but you and you have those0:03:40 documents yes of course I'll put them in0:03:41 yeah you can add them to your link there0:03:44 on my Twitter account right so the0:03:46 second document was a contract between0:03:48 them and a council staying where they0:03:50 will spend the money and XYZ and then0:03:53 the end of the end of the year report0:03:55 which they produced in that report is0:03:59 where they justify where this money went0:04:01 and that's going to be kind of the main0:04:04 evidence the end of the year0:04:06 or because in that report they've lied0:04:08 in there and claimed that they've paid0:04:09 people and stuff which they hadn't right0:04:12 so let's get this clear the council gave0:04:16 sixteen and a half thousand pounds on0:04:17 prevent for anti-terrorism related0:04:20 activities to these to these individuals0:04:22 who claim to be Salafi etc and you're0:04:26 saying that the money that was given was0:04:29 not used for those anti-extremism0:04:32 activities in effect was misappropriated0:04:35 completely well from what we know is0:04:38 that they were awarded sixteen and a0:04:40 half thousand pounds yes and in the end0:04:43 of the year port where they've0:04:45 justifying where the money went0:04:47 they claimed to have paid witnesses we0:04:50 stay had a paid and I'll give you a few0:04:52 examples all right so I've got the same0:04:55 document here yeah this is my witness0:04:57 report which of the you can add to your0:05:00 economic documents and in the in the end0:05:06 of the year they've mentioned this Brava0:05:11 called AB Dupree Abu Sufian0:05:13 of the pre McDowell okay who is coming0:05:16 in every week to do one of the main0:05:19 speakers yes0:05:20 they claim to take him and we have a0:05:24 witness statement from him saying that0:05:25 he did receive any funds from them right0:05:27 and his fuel and other expenses and the0:05:30 food and everything else was covered by0:05:32 the brothers right maybe by myself yep0:05:35 another example is the you paid for that0:05:37 yourself yeah mainly yeah with the main0:05:39 contributor towards these events okay0:05:42 another point to mention is in the end0:05:46 of the year report they mentioned that0:05:48 they had a female only event which was0:05:51 copied delivered by a qualified without0:05:54 cupping what's that got to do with0:05:55 anti-terrorism exactly now a funny thing0:05:59 about it is the actual female copper was0:06:02 the wife of one of the men towards Abdul0:06:05 Allah Allah money exactly yeah dr. Abdul0:06:08 need enough money mm-hmm and when I0:06:10 approached him or text him and I asked0:06:12 him did your wife get paid for this0:06:14 event he0:06:15 say no and you've got that detail you've0:06:17 got evidence I may have I'm gonna have0:06:19 to look for it yeah it's well known I0:06:21 believe it's in one of the recordings0:06:22 yes it's on your throat aha0:06:26 but anyway it's a well known fact so of0:06:28 question of did a lot of money regarding0:06:30 this and said did your wife get paid by0:06:32 the brothers for this event and he said0:06:34 no no also another example is that a0:06:42 claim said that in December 2010 they0:06:44 had a mini conference which they did in0:06:46 that conference both of the men to ask0:06:49 one of them abou a teacher of the white0:06:52 and Abu hockey Bilal Davis both came0:06:56 from reading and did that conference in0:06:58 the Birmingham meeting in question name0:07:00 this myself and Issa and Allah and we0:07:06 have Abdul Latif was also present and0:07:08 they are witness to that they were0:07:10 surprised that they didn't know that0:07:14 would be useful right and so they said0:07:17 they denied that they got any payment0:07:18 they received any fundings and also they0:07:20 were surprised and they grilled child in0:07:23 the meeting because they were unaware0:07:25 and this amusing that you had that we0:07:26 had in 2016 mmm-hmm and the details in0:07:31 the meeting is on my Twitter account0:07:32 anybody another thing is another thing0:07:39 they mentioned was the beginner Arabic0:07:42 course0:07:42 now this Arabic quote did take place for0:07:45 six weeks0:07:46 I believe there's only for an hour a0:07:48 week okay what were the instructors0:07:52 painters I don't know what hour because0:07:53 the DVD fighting terrorism anyway right0:07:55 and one of the main issues with this is0:07:58 that it was not in the original0:07:59 application yes so in the original in0:08:02 the bid in the initial the big document0:08:04 it states that 9,000 pounds will be paid0:08:07 for two part-time workers or part-time0:08:10 workers yes I think yes it says two0:08:12 part-time yeah mini-conference of 15000:08:15 pounds which were they were awarded for0:08:16 and a two thousand pound for admin and0:08:19 management and printing and publication0:08:22 of literature 1,5000:08:24 was there any literature that was0:08:26 produced nothing at all so leaflets in0:08:28 terms of reduced by the brothers at all0:08:31 well this is one of the main problems we0:08:34 have is that the brothers that claim to0:08:37 have what it says also here for an into0:08:39 1,000 pounds for Internet webpage0:08:40 Internet web page was WOW at that time0:08:44 okay so this is what led us to believe0:08:48 that those brothers stole the funds0:08:51 because none of these things that0:08:52 mention here more time so getting back0:08:57 mm-hmm so we mentioned about the contact0:09:01 between them and the council mmm yes0:09:04 well out of the whole event some things0:09:06 did take place yes but those activities0:09:08 that they mentioned they paid for those0:09:10 speakers when operator0:09:12 yeah we're not paid mm-hmm and most of0:09:14 the expenses were covered by either0:09:16 myself and you have some evidence for0:09:19 this if anyone were to ask you like you0:09:21 know yes yeah and here's a question do0:09:24 they have evidence of the contrary what0:09:27 is what we asked them you be my asking0:09:28 them for almost three years now right0:09:30 what we like for them to do is bring us0:09:32 evidence of proof or receipts that0:09:34 updated to the son hated not updated0:09:37 back at that time yep they're going back0:09:39 in 2009 and 10 110:09:42 I believe they put the application in0:09:44 2009 but the one I would the money0:09:45 around 2010 2010 or 2011 that was the0:09:50 time they were awarded the money and at0:09:52 that time it is fired off at the center0:09:56 but it became a much it mm-hmm0:09:58 in fact the actual contract that decided0:09:59 accounts or was in August and it became0:10:02 a must year the few must be for that0:10:04 mm-hmm alright so okay can you explain0:10:09 what kind of effect this has had on the0:10:10 community because here what we know from0:10:13 the discussions that we've had is that0:10:15 you you know this side of making0:10:18 accusations about you guys and after0:10:20 that they started doing a boycott on you0:10:22 guys so what is this what's happened in0:10:25 the community after after these kind of0:10:27 allegations were made with the evidence0:10:29 has provided that we've just seen here0:10:31 which are quite compelling to be0:10:33 what happened after that in terms of0:10:35 them yeah the first thing we did is when0:10:38 we tried to contact the Provost private0:10:41 addressed mm-hmm and tried to talk to0:10:42 them and say look he says came to this0:10:45 accusation but he's bought evidences yes0:10:47 we've seen these documents and Neely's0:10:49 documents the end the report is full of0:10:51 lights clear lies all these you know0:10:54 things that you claimed to have done0:10:56 what actual actual mustered up teasers0:10:58 and I'll give you a few examples not one0:10:59 of them yes I mentioned was that they0:11:01 beforehand twice yes no I thought about0:11:04 the children's class the teacher himself0:11:07 was s Amanda I need confirm he didn't0:11:10 get paid from any funding and rather the0:11:12 parents have paid for with we met you0:11:14 Saturday night yeah he's confirmed that0:11:17 three brothers yeah he's also confirmed0:11:19 that the parents were paying for that we0:11:21 are witness statement from the parents0:11:23 that said that so so the parents are0:11:26 paying for it the government thinks that0:11:28 they're paying for it and the government0:11:30 thinks that they're paying for it to0:11:32 fight extremism no but this is this0:11:40 shows you I mean it's not even in the0:11:42 initial bid is it an initial bid these0:11:45 things that they mentioned in the0:11:46 end-of-year report are not in the0:11:48 initial bid him and things like the0:11:50 weekly classes obviously has confirmed0:11:53 that he didn't get paid for that0:11:54 the female couple do confirm double lead0:11:56 up the lilac money and he denies it I'm0:11:59 ready to take my body with him well now0:12:02 you wanna do you know the mini0:12:05 conference was done and Abu Hakim and a0:12:08 belief a teacher in the conference both0:12:10 of them will be held but how do you love0:12:12 people witnesses0:12:13 well we've met some of your witnesses0:12:15 today haven't we do a bit too camera shy0:12:17 but we're at least two of them today and0:12:20 we've been on the phone to to numerous0:12:22 others and it does seem like there is0:12:24 corroborating witness testimony to0:12:26 everything you give your circles so0:12:28 initially we wanted to you know0:12:31 house if you like and then we ask the0:12:33 problems that we requested that they0:12:35 give us an explanation of what took0:12:37 place yes and show us the proof so under0:12:42 what had religious involvement and pull0:12:46 Davis when they found out about this0:12:49 what was their reaction0:12:50 well we contacted them ourselves to have0:12:54 a meeting and it was agreed and we went0:12:57 to this meeting and at that meeting0:13:00 those both of a hockey Minerva Katya0:13:03 were judging in the affair hmm we kind0:13:06 of surprised we didn't expect that we0:13:07 just thought it was gonna be meeting he0:13:08 said the evidence if we don't they're0:13:10 gonna question both brothers an XY said0:13:12 what took place in the meeting is a0:13:15 statement that we put together so if you0:13:16 relate to that state when they stare on0:13:18 Twitter mm-hm and the details but uh in0:13:23 that meeting it was judged by our hockey0:13:25 that there was miss his probation of0:13:28 funds hmm and that he was suggesting for0:13:31 sure and you have evidence where we have0:13:33 the witness statements you yes sir0:13:34 problems that were present in the0:13:35 meeting I know so we have recording0:13:38 someone you do have that CCTV footage0:13:44 but anyway our question it's quite safe0:13:48 already0:13:48 where did the money go that's right what0:13:51 did you do with the money that's what he0:13:54 comes out to so what we went to0:13:56 Birmingham hmm which as I said I'm a0:13:59 hockey man Hypatia well Hakim judged0:14:02 that they would miss preparation of0:14:04 France and that we suggested a shy to be0:14:07 stepped down from the shore0:14:08 no not sure there's the one who is very0:14:11 free with the main guy yeah the one0:14:13 who's doing this mustn't miss0:14:15 appropriate shots right in three four0:14:16 years down the line three four years0:14:18 down the line if you go to did for blood0:14:20 you still see shy holding the bucket0:14:21 you'll still see you'll know if you're0:14:23 going up but you might maybe upset maybe0:14:26 after this video0:14:27 [Laughter]0:14:29 I'll also send you a lot to send you an0:14:32 audio clip yes one of the members that0:14:34 was in the meeting in Birmingham in the0:14:37 name of Adam Junaid hmm and you will0:14:39 hear originated stating even in a secret0:14:42 recording where he states that it's not0:14:45 from hikmah for shy to be holding the0:14:46 bucket oh yes I'm shy be a Steve any0:14:48 third thing then what's the problem with0:14:50 him holding the bucket mmm and so what0:14:55 you're saying is that there was this0:14:57 misappropriation of funds and because of0:15:00 the gang mentality related to this this0:15:04 this gang you know0:15:06 Abraha DJ and I will bill out Paul0:15:08 Phillips they tried to cover it all up0:15:11 and the normally did they cover it up0:15:12 but they tried to attack you for coming0:15:14 out with it what happened so what0:15:16 happened in the beginning was we went to0:15:19 them and they judged it so we left it at0:15:21 that we thought you know we just moved0:15:22 forward the dour and Hum Dil uh you know0:15:25 we wanted the assumption that you know0:15:27 things were okay but then we came back0:15:30 to ready and the brothers in ready0:15:32 were attacking us on the member and0:15:34 accusing of so this is all economic then0:15:40 I mean this is I mean we thought I'm in0:15:43 Ghana below we are to think that a lot0:15:46 of these things that all these problems0:15:48 are happening with tip dia and labeling0:15:50 and things like that are actually0:15:51 related to the religion but what's being0:15:53 said here seems to know it seems to be0:15:55 the case that they're using religion as0:15:56 an ammunition like to to further their0:16:00 own economic project that's the0:16:02 allegation allegation but anyway getting0:16:07 back to what you say after that you know0:16:11 they start attacking us and you know I0:16:13 was a DJ himself came to Redmond did a0:16:15 lecture I mean that lecture he changed0:16:19 the brothers of being infiltrated0:16:22 infiltrators so this is why we decided0:16:27 in January to go public and to defend0:16:30 our honor the only reason what went0:16:31 public was to defend her honor in this0:16:33 because we based our accusation based0:16:35 upon evidence so now it's on them to0:16:37 prove they have them in the bulletin0:16:40 core since you've made the allegations0:16:42 and you've made the put the evidences0:16:43 forward they have to they have to0:16:45 produce the the receipts as you've0:16:47 mentioned and and I won't ask a final0:16:52 question when they've come to reading0:16:54 what was the difference in doubt between0:16:56 before and after they've come and they0:16:57 had their they put their hand into into0:17:00 the affairs of the reading community0:17:01 will do community I think in general0:17:03 there wasn't any issue with the brothers0:17:05 the brothers were United together is one0:17:07 individual in particular that came and0:17:09 he had you know like you know this is0:17:16 the one that kind of you know what'll be0:17:19 you know yeah this  __  that we did in0:17:21 an encounter harshness with him and0:17:23 that's when we noticed that that will0:17:25 begin to change and they started making0:17:28 a hot yet of a few which is boy calm0:17:32 evidence it so when we questioned them0:17:34 this is where they kind of you know turn0:17:36 the guns if you like mm-hmm and we've0:17:39 we've got information that suggests I0:17:41 mean obviously we can't go into too much0:17:43 detail but they've got many companies0:17:45 either come limited companies or0:17:46 charities now I get hundreds of0:17:48 thousands of pounds like you know0:17:49 selected publications charity and 20140:17:52 which is not far away from this time0:17:53 we've got a million pounds in in funds I0:17:56 mean we can't make any allegations on a0:17:59 legal level but is it safe to assume0:18:02 that a lot of that money is coming from0:18:03 prevent and should prevent and the0:18:05 government and the council in your0:18:06 opinion would you advise them to be more0:18:08 cautious as to how and why they would0:18:09 give money to to people that have a0:18:11 track record of this that's the question0:18:15 the question is when you look into the0:18:17 overriding affair yes one thing I picked0:18:20 up a notice that the actual initial0:18:21 application that was given to the0:18:23 council in there's mention that that the0:18:27 reading organization is affiliated with0:18:30 the Birmingham organization which was0:18:32 inner city guidance yes which is Paul0:18:34 Davis is an organization that is0:18:36 Hakeem's0:18:38 [Music]0:18:40 so can you make that point again so what0:18:43 which one is associated with which so in0:18:45 the documentation in the initial bit0:18:48 which is the application that portal to0:18:50 the console yeah it mentions that they0:18:54 mentioned that there worked with or0:18:55 affiliated with in Assateague Island0:18:57 City guidance which is pool Davis's0:19:01 organization which has been dissolved by0:19:04 the way yeah no accounts no conscious0:19:07 yeah no counts because it changed into a0:19:12 charity I've looked in seas right and0:19:14 even on both on that there's no accounts0:19:17 yeah but we know what we know from what0:19:19 you're saying that there was money0:19:20 pumped into that as well why the kapre0:19:22 yes why this big cover-up and why try to0:19:25 you know cover this whole thing up0:19:28 questions I'm not gonna accuse them yeah0:19:33 we can't already it's great cop just0:19:37 click up in ask Lake up yeah you know we0:19:39 could use the evidences now they have to0:19:41 produce the receipts receipts and show0:19:44 us where these money is gone so there's0:19:46 another allegation that the reading0:19:48 islamic information center have been0:19:50 using my GG bells charity registration0:19:52 number to claim tax relief which is0:19:55 actually a cable which is actually an0:19:57 allegation of council tax fraud yes I0:20:01 did some research0:20:03 only when the novel wanted to sell the0:20:05 building so maybe next occasion and in0:20:08 the business I did a little research and0:20:11 code up the council and believe the link0:20:15 is you can add the link of the audio and0:20:17 I'm questioning the council regarding0:20:18 this and they told me that the bill is0:20:21 registered under mark is more artificial0:20:22 my surprise I was quite shocked so I0:20:26 went to go visit the brothers in Slough0:20:28 and arranged to see abdula dalla Mandy0:20:33 and I approached him and I question him0:20:36 regarding this and he was shocked and0:20:38 amazed at the time and you'll hear from0:20:40 the secret recording where the0:20:42 profitable concern with this and0:20:44 I said to them look you know these0:20:45 individuals are using your charm status0:20:47 you know is there some food that they've0:20:49 done while you implicate in this or you0:20:51 know did you give him permission they0:20:53 denied it the night they gave permission0:20:56 to him today but later on down the line0:20:59 a month later once I sent him the0:21:01 evidences these are all diamo Twitter0:21:03 account where of develop money very0:21:05 upset and he claims that he did get them0:21:08 permission and he claims I remember0:21:11 again this is a serious fault0:21:13 hmm and these individuals the likes of0:21:17 the Lahani al-fatihah Albuquerque one0:21:20 bomb in the tower is a big question mark0:21:23 on a dollar and they trustworthiness0:21:26 absolutely would you say that there has0:21:28 been a sectarianism his be as is0:21:31 referred to in Arabic in the treatment0:21:33 of Muslims generally Sunni Muslims that0:21:38 claim to even be Salafi you know they0:21:40 came to be Salafi and then now they're0:21:42 being boycotted they're being attacked0:21:44 because they're coming up with these0:21:45 evidences in writing and say look we've0:21:47 paid for these things and all of the0:21:48 things are happening it and now you've0:21:50 boycotted us and their taxes have you0:21:51 experienced any of that yourself well0:21:54 this is was amazed as brothers you have0:21:57 these individuals who claim to be upon0:21:58 scent of here and they claim to be0:22:01 people of evidence and claim to be0:22:02 people of chief and Hawkins on so and we0:22:06 were made for lighting inmates we get0:22:07 bubbles duck callers and they say I feel0:22:10 you know we're hearing this and that and0:22:12 what's our simple mind about the0:22:13 brothers and when you question them you0:22:15 said have you gone for evidence II know0:22:17 have you looked at them you know you see0:22:19 the voice notes have you seen the amount0:22:20 of evidence0:22:21 yes abide it and you find no so it's0:22:24 like how did you come to that conclusion0:22:25 right right how can you judge that the0:22:27 brothers on line we faced everything0:22:29 upon evidences so yes yes definitely a0:22:32 hundred percent it seems to be a his0:22:33 beer so in other words you're saying0:22:37 that they think they're immune to0:22:39 criticism there'll be a cover anything0:22:42 happens within the Muslim community and0:22:44 they're involved they'll always vouch0:22:46 for their own you know blatant0:22:51 double standards and everything else it0:22:54 amazes me well thy amazes me and the0:22:56 situation already iliza sad situation0:22:59 because we've had the boycotting of0:23:01 Salafi prophets without justification0:23:02 and evidence is attacking Salafi purpose0:23:05 from the member warning against Salafi0:23:07 brothers not returning the salam to the0:23:09 brothers and the general folk so to0:23:12 conclude with the recent scandal with0:23:14 hassan antenor mandala where they've0:23:16 been leading double lives it's led the0:23:19 Muslim community to investigate who else0:23:22 is doing leading a double life if you're0:23:25 like who else is taking money saying0:23:27 that they're gonna do one thing with0:23:28 that money and they're doing something0:23:29 completely different with it who else is0:23:31 scamming not only the Muslim community0:23:33 but the non-muslim community and even0:23:34 the government with money and our0:23:38 investigations lead us to these kinds of0:23:41 places places where historic cases cold0:23:44 cases even have been remade we unearth0:23:49 them if you like and lots of evidences0:23:51 have been brought forward now the ball0:23:53 is in the core of those individuals and0:23:55 Salafi publications as we mentioned in0:23:58 organisation in 2014 alone which got 10:24:01 million pounds of charity funding now we0:24:04 want to understand where they got that0:24:05 money from in the first place because0:24:07 their social media accounts don't don't0:24:09 suggest that they can get that kind of0:24:11 money from general fund raising or0:24:13 Masjid fundraising but if we were to0:24:16 assume that that was from the government0:24:18 and these kinds of things are happening0:24:21 here in reading how does that give0:24:23 either the government or other Muslims0:24:25 the confidence to give you money in0:24:28 order to quote-unquote0:24:29 D radicalize people and how is it d0:24:32 radicalization when in fact people0:24:35 become more more radical in their0:24:37 attitude towards other Muslims it seems0:24:39 to us that there has been a flaw in the0:24:42 preventive strategy a real problem in0:24:44 the way both prevent have reacted to0:24:46 Muslim communities and as a result how0:24:48 Muslim communities react to prevent so0:24:52 this case this case of reading has0:24:54 opened up many different windows of0:24:57 inquiry and in this interview we've been0:25:00 able to see0:25:01 how things can go really wrong both for0:25:05 those organizations who claim to claim0:25:08 to be they say for example Salafi in0:25:09 this case and for the government who0:25:11 claim to be giving money or think that0:25:13 they're giving money for the D0:25:14 radicalization of Muslim people salam0:25:17 alikum warahmatu I hear what I get