Muslim Responds to Indian News .Sharia Law, Taliban and Afghanistan #Gravitas (2021-09-04) ​

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Here I react to a 'viral' Indian News video, on their pathetic attempt to malign the Shariah (Islamic Law). There are many blunders which are exposed. Watch and share, as topics discussed should be known to us all so we don't fall prey to such propaganda.

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0:00 Intro 0:51 Western standard 4:17 Blunders when discussing Shariah 15:48 They chose it 18:56 Women's rights 27:04 Religion Must evolve 28:23 Conclusion

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a Muslim responds to news about Sharia law, Taliban, and Afghanistan. The Muslim argues that if Sharia law is a democratically chosen system, then Muslims should be respectful of it. He says that European powers colonized much of the world, leaving Muslim leaders with a dilemma: to govern based on Islamic values or to embrace laws inherited from the colonial powers. The Muslim concludes that Muslims are afraid of Islam because it is a sleeping giant that has united the world for hundreds of years.

00:00:00 This woman responds to a video about Sharia law in Afghanistan, Taliban, and Sharia law in India. She makes a number of mistakes, including separating the sources of Sharia law (the Quran, the Sunnah, and consensus), and not being academically robust.

• 00:05:00 Discusses the different schools of thought within Sharia law, and provides a brief overview of the Hanbali school. states that there are many rulings within the Hambali school that are more facilitative for many different people, and that this is a "very odd kind of subjective value judgment" coming from someone who has no knowledge of Sharia law.
• 00:10:00 The narrator of the video discusses the different schools of thought within Islam, and remarks that the strictest form of sharia, based on consensus over understanding of the Quran, is practiced in Saudi Arabia and Qatar. He goes on to say that there is significant follower of sharia in other countries, including in Saudi Arabia, which practices a lot of Muslims. He then makes a fool of himself by speaking casually about sharia and secularism, and is subsequently embarrassed by his lack of education. He argues that the Taliban, who implement sharia law, are doing so because they are not aware of the differences between the schools of thought, and that this is only applicable to "elites." He concludes the video by asserting that secularism is the best way to live, and that first principles (rather than evidence) justify privileging political ideology over religious systems.
• 00:15:00 The Muslim responds to Indian news about Sharia law, Taliban, and Afghanistan. He argues that if Sharia law is a democratically chosen system, then Muslims should be respectful of it. He says that European powers colonized much of the world, leaving Muslim leaders with a dilemma: to govern based on Islamic values or to embrace laws inherited from the colonial powers. The Muslim says that if patriarchy is a social construct, then it should be questioned. He argues that because of Western hegemony, Muslims have a inferiority complex, which is why they are speaking about Islam in a fear-mongering way. He concludes that Muslims are afraid of Islam because it is a sleeping giant that has united the world for hundreds of years.
• 00:20:00 a Muslim responds to news about Sharia law, Taliban and Afghanistan. The Muslim talks about how Sharia law, Taliban and Afghanistan have changed the demographic of India. He says that Sharia law is not mentioned in the Quran and that polygyny is not allowed in Islam. He also mentions abortion, saying that it is a matter of opinion whether it is okay for men to have four wives. He says that women can choose to have an abortion before 40 days and that Saudi Arabia was the only country that implemented a ban on women driving.
• 00:25:00 The Muslim respond to Indian news about Sharia Law, Taliban, and Afghanistan. He points out that there are 1.8 billion people in the world, and that even though some cultural practices may be outdated, women still receive half of what is awarded to their brothers in inheritance, and they also receive the same inheritance if they're a man if they're a parent. He argues that because something exists for a long time, it must end. He also argues that if something is true, it should be allowed to evolve, even if it clashes with today's way of life.

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0:00:00 [Music]0:00:05 is the hijab 100:00:07 discount code for 10 percent discount on0:00:09 a wide range of products including0:00:11 premium ethiopian black seed products0:00:14 assalamu alaikum0:00:16 i am going to respond to a video that0:00:18 has gone semi viral you could actually0:00:20 say it's gone viral depending on your0:00:21 definition of course0:00:22 a woman a broadcaster from india who has0:00:25 perpetuated falsehood really monstrous0:00:28 falsehoods one after the other blunders0:00:30 she's made blunders mistakes speaking0:00:32 with authority where she shouldn't have0:00:34 done so0:00:35 and i'm gonna be reacting to this video0:00:37 of this woman speaking about the0:00:38 afghanistan situation about the taliban0:00:41 about the sharia law in fact the video0:00:43 is entitled what is the sharia law so0:00:46 that's a cess0:00:47 in watching this video whether this0:00:48 woman understands that which she's0:00:51 talking about0:00:52 there was a time when afghanistan was a0:00:54 modern state faith was a private matter0:00:57 so already we're talking about modernity0:00:58 right so there's an assumption from the0:01:00 very outset that western modernity0:01:03 progressivism in that sense0:01:05 is potentially the barometer or the0:01:07 standard0:01:08 that we should meet well these0:01:10 assertions or these assumptions0:01:13 have to be evidence in and of themselves0:01:15 we don't need to0:01:16 go towards modernity or progressivism or0:01:19 western culture0:01:20 and if you do if you do want to put us0:01:22 in that kind of category of going0:01:24 towards this and you think that's the0:01:25 right thing to do then you have to argue0:01:27 for that from first principles it's not0:01:29 good enough to just say well it's0:01:31 modernity and assume it you have to0:01:33 argue from the beginning and i come to0:01:34 you with arguably the most controversial0:01:37 concept in the world0:01:39 it's arguably the most controversial0:01:41 concept in the world of course it's not0:01:43 maybe befitting for me to to outline the0:01:46 fact that controversiality does not0:01:48 equate to falsity and i'm not saying0:01:50 that she's saying that but just to make0:01:52 sure that our audience or the end user0:01:54 here is fully familiar with this point0:01:56 but is it the most controversial thing0:01:58 in the world0:01:59 i mean0:02:00 there are lots of things historically0:02:02 and contemporaneously that have been0:02:04 more controversial the shape of the0:02:05 earth has been extremely controversial0:02:07 on the history of cosmology in the last0:02:09 thousand years0:02:10 even more controversial you could argue0:02:12 a sati0:02:13 a practice called sati0:02:15 that was done by hindu women0:02:17 historically and even up until the0:02:18 modern age actually and this practice0:02:22 what involved a woman burning herself0:02:24 in mourning0:02:26 for her husband's death0:02:29 talk about women's rights so one of0:02:31 those things it took the colonial powers0:02:33 the british powers to come and outlaw0:02:34 this thing the white man to come and0:02:36 tell you what was right and wrong0:02:38 yes no wonder why you're so obsessed0:02:40 with the white man because he stops you0:02:41 from burning yourselves i mean i0:02:43 understand the inferiority complex here0:02:46 but0:02:47 let's not try and think now that0:02:51 this is the once again the barometer0:02:53 that we must all fulfill or the0:02:56 um0:02:56 the the standard that we must all meet0:02:58 the white man standard why is it so0:03:01 controversial why does the world fear it0:03:03 will take afghanistan further back in0:03:06 time0:03:08 what do you mean by the world do you0:03:09 mean the white man0:03:11 is that what we mean or the western0:03:12 powers or colonial powers or ex-colonial0:03:14 powers or the superpowers who do you0:03:15 mean by0:03:17 the world0:03:18 okay let's keep listening we've spoken0:03:20 to a lot of scholars and experts to put0:03:22 this report together you've spoken to a0:03:24 lot of scholars and experts so i'm0:03:26 expecting what you say about sharia law0:03:28 is going to be something which is0:03:29 academically robust and if if not then0:03:32 you will be0:03:33 obviously to blame thanks to the0:03:35 misrepresentation manipulation and0:03:37 misuse of the sharia by whom islamic0:03:40 regimes politicians clerics radicals0:03:43 terrorists they've all used the sharia0:03:45 to rule in the name of god0:03:47 so coming back to the question what is0:03:48 the sharia well there is no0:03:50 that's not the exclusive property of0:03:52 religious disciples0:03:54 many radicals and terrorists have used0:03:56 secular ideology to do the same thing so0:03:59 this is not this is not an exclusivist0:04:01 discourse here i mean we can we can0:04:03 point to stalin we can point to even0:04:05 lenin we can point to mao we can point0:04:07 to many different people who had0:04:09 materialist ideologies and who did the0:04:11 same thing0:04:12 so0:04:13 this is not an exclusivist discourse and0:04:15 you shouldn't make it seem as if it is0:04:17 where do the rules come from three0:04:19 sources the quran which is islam's holy0:04:21 book the sunnah which is basically the0:04:23 deeds of prophet muhammad and the hadees0:04:25 the sayings of the prophet this is the0:04:28 first major blunder it's actually a huge0:04:30 blunder0:04:31 it's the quran0:04:33 the hadith which is the sunnah i don't0:04:35 know why you've separated the two things0:04:37 and then the third thing is ishmael0:04:39 which is consensus and the fourth thing0:04:40 is yes0:04:42 and actually nezhamad dina tofi who is a0:04:44 one of the specialists of the principles0:04:46 of jurisprudence0:04:48 he mentions 11 sources all together0:04:50 including0:04:54 so0:04:56 the saying of the sahabi all the rulings0:04:59 of those who came before us in terms of0:05:00 the other uh legal systems of moses and0:05:03 for example abraham and so on0:05:07 which is the idea of the common interest0:05:08 all of these things are also sources of0:05:10 sharia0:05:11 and this is the reductionist0:05:12 understanding that has left a lot of0:05:13 people like yourself0:05:16 reducing the sharia to just one or two0:05:18 sources0:05:19 this is not the case and in fact you0:05:21 haven't even represented it correctly0:05:22 according to any school of thought shia0:05:24 or sunnah this is completely false what0:05:27 you've said there is wrong listen to me0:05:29 carefully what you said there is wrong0:05:31 because once again to reiterate the four0:05:34 major0:05:35 masada sharia if you like0:05:37 or the the four major sources of sharia0:05:40 are the quran as you've mentioned the0:05:42 sunnah which is the hadith which itself0:05:44 is subdivided into different types0:05:46 authentic sahih yamatawa0:05:49 hassan hasan0:05:55 and these categorizations are known by0:05:56 the people of hadith and then you have0:05:59 ishmael which is the legal consensus0:06:01 which is defined by or as0:06:04 the0:06:06 the consensus of the jurists in one0:06:08 specific time in one specific issue in0:06:11 one of0:06:12 the issues of the uh islamic0:06:15 law0:06:16 this is ishmael and then you have chaos0:06:18 which is legal analogy for example if0:06:20 something is haram0:06:22 in the quran but then there's something0:06:24 which also has the same causative0:06:25 reasoning they analogize onto it for0:06:28 example0:06:29 alcohol is haram or wine is haram let's0:06:32 say they analogize on to that0:06:34 that smoking weed is haram they smoking0:06:38 anything that intoxic hallucinogens are0:06:39 haram because it's0:06:42 analogized onto and this is one of the0:06:45 masada if you like one of the0:06:48 sources of sharia but there are these0:06:50 are the four main ones there are other0:06:51 ones like masala0:06:53 this is actually a source of sharia0:06:55 masala is the common interest0:06:58 a lot of people are asking why is it0:06:59 that the taliban are0:07:00 acting in a more pragmatic manner now0:07:03 is because of this source see if you if0:07:05 you knew these things then you'd know0:07:07 how to operate and how to interact with0:07:10 those who you disagree with you don't0:07:11 even know the source of sharia ah0:07:13 therefore your analysis is going to be0:07:15 reductionist is going to be false and0:07:17 it's going to be lacking where are the0:07:19 scholars now that you said you they0:07:21 don't even know the basis of0:07:23 sharia0:07:24 in islam0:07:25 there's a range of other sources to work0:07:27 out how god wants muslims to live but0:07:30 there is no single law book no definite0:07:33 statute no said judicial proceeding0:07:36 that's false there is a set judicial0:07:37 precedent it's not precedent it's0:07:39 precedent and there is a there is a set0:07:42 precedent from the ishmael0:07:44 so when scholars make a decision on the0:07:47 par or on the uh on whatever his issue0:07:49 is they look at the ishmael if there's a0:07:50 ishmael or a consensus of a past that0:07:54 acts effectively like a judicial0:07:56 president it's basically a vast0:07:58 collection of different often0:08:00 conflicting interpretations0:08:02 these are that's not0:08:04 see you're confusing it yourself you0:08:05 said sharia is different because the0:08:08 interpretations and sharia is god's will0:08:10 now you're saying that sharia has got0:08:12 sharia is diff different interpretations0:08:14 which is false you can't even keep up0:08:16 with your own script that you're reading0:08:18 in front of your face0:08:20 this is ignorance compounded0:08:22 interpretations gave birth to five0:08:24 schools of thought five legal schools of0:08:27 sharia and you must know this there are0:08:28 different kinds of sharia0:08:30 we must know this and you're gonna teach0:08:31 us you must know this0:08:33 by the way there are more than four five0:08:35 six seven schools of thought these are0:08:36 the ones which have survived0:08:38 there are many schools of thought atari0:08:40 had a school of thought0:08:41 had a school of thought these big names0:08:43 had a school of thought they just0:08:44 haven't survived so if you want to be0:08:46 meticulous and you want to be precise0:08:48 then don't speak in the way that you've0:08:50 just spoken0:08:56 these four belong to sunni islam the0:08:58 fifth is a shia version of what about0:09:02 what about the what about zaydi shias0:09:05 you've completely missed a big chunks so0:09:07 you're all over the place zaydi shia is0:09:09 they are the majority of the yemeni0:09:11 population of shiites you've completely0:09:13 left them out in your analysis here how0:09:15 comes0:09:17 sharia it's called jafri0:09:19 all five of them are named after0:09:21 theologists and jurists the men who0:09:24 theologians and jurists0:09:27 yes0:09:29 interpreted islamic texts0:09:31 now look at this map0:09:33 the hanbali school is the smallest and0:09:35 strictest of them all it's primary0:09:38 what you define as strict this is it0:09:40 seems to be a very subjective reading0:09:42 what do you define as a strict there's0:09:43 many rulings in the hamburglar school of0:09:45 thought0:09:46 i'm not just saying that because0:09:47 obviously i come from that school0:09:48 thought but um there are many rulings0:09:50 which are by and large more facilitative0:09:54 for many different people so this is a0:09:55 very0:09:56 odd kind of subjective value judgment0:09:58 coming from someone who has no knowledge0:10:00 of any of the schools of thought and you0:10:01 probably wouldn't ask you why is it the0:10:02 strictest you probably wouldn't know how0:10:03 to answer that0:10:05 resource is the quran it is practiced in0:10:07 saudi arabia and qatar0:10:09 it also has significant followers in0:10:11 these countries i mean saudi arabia yes0:10:13 they practiced0:10:14 a lot of a lot of people a lot of0:10:16 jerusalem humbly there about a lot of0:10:18 salafists who are not non-medhabi0:10:21 actually in saudi arabia and so once0:10:23 again the awam the the labe audience the0:10:25 lay people this is very important for0:10:27 even us to know as muslims there's a0:10:28 difference between what the elitists or0:10:30 the clerics or whatever it is they0:10:32 practice and what the lay audience0:10:35 their lay audience really doesn't have a0:10:37 method0:10:39 the ami doesn't really know about the0:10:40 hamburglar school of if you ask him0:10:41 what's the difference between himself0:10:42 and hanafi they all know the difference0:10:44 so this is only applicable really to the0:10:46 elitists0:10:47 but you wouldn't know that the shafi0:10:49 school of sharia relies on consensus0:10:51 over understanding of the quran i would0:10:53 dare you i dare you to find me one book0:10:57 from imam shafi's0:10:59 the first book ever written0:11:01 on usual by the way in islamic history0:11:03 he is the one who which is islamic0:11:05 jewish prudence are they to find me one0:11:07 book of shafai usual which says that0:11:10 consensus is0:11:12 preferred over the quran there's no such0:11:15 statement made by any scholar in islamic0:11:17 history you've just made a fool of0:11:18 yourself not realizing it speaking0:11:20 nonchalantly and casually0:11:23 this is embarrassing this is totally0:11:24 embarrassing why are you speaking about0:11:25 these matters0:11:27 why are you speaking about these matters0:11:29 you clearly are uneducated0:11:31 you think you're educated you're0:11:32 uneducated you're being educated right0:11:34 now you've just made a huge blunder you0:11:36 said the shafai school of thought relies0:11:38 upon consensus over the understanding of0:11:41 the quran and there is no such there is0:11:43 not even one scholar in islamic history0:11:45 from any school of thought who's ever0:11:47 said such a thing you fool the hanafi0:11:49 school the earliest the most flexible0:11:51 version of the sharia it relies both on0:11:54 consensus and independent reasoning the0:11:56 hanafi school has the largest number0:11:59 there's all of the schools of thor have0:12:01 class except for the school of thought0:12:03 so you're making as if this is a special0:12:05 speciality of the hanafi method it's not0:12:08 independent reasoning is ps which is0:12:09 analyzing and then analogizing causative0:12:12 reasoning and then and analyzing0:12:14 backward formula this is not as special0:12:15 as a speciality of the hanafi method all0:12:18 of them if they have except for the0:12:18 vladimir which he didn't mention0:12:21 is uh in fact0:12:22 has that has that future they live in0:12:24 turkey jordan lebanon egypt afghanistan0:12:27 pakistan india0:12:29 yeah afghanistan so you've called it the0:12:31 most flexible form of sharia0:12:33 but but how do you square that with the0:12:35 fact that the taliban are implementing0:12:37 it you've you so you see there's0:12:40 contradictory messaging here in your0:12:41 broadcast you don't you don't even seem0:12:43 to realize it that's how embarrassing it0:12:45 is but the problem begins when religion0:12:47 is mixed with governance0:12:49 she says the problem begins when0:12:51 religion is mixed with governance that's0:12:53 that is a supposition you're making an0:12:55 assertion you've gone from inform0:12:57 informative broadcast to persuasive0:13:00 broadcasting so now you're inserting a0:13:02 secular ideal my question is the0:13:05 presumption of secularity how can you0:13:07 assert that without giving any evidence0:13:10 what are your demonstrative proofs that0:13:12 secularism is the neutral way or the0:13:16 best way to live0:13:18 do you have any evidence to in support0:13:20 of secularism how do you even support0:13:22 how do you even define secularism0:13:24 because if secularism is a def is a0:13:26 division between church and state0:13:28 or religion and secular governance my0:13:31 question to you is what constitutes his0:13:33 religion if you look at the sociological0:13:35 literature you'll find that there's0:13:36 broad definitions which include0:13:38 political ideologies things like0:13:40 feminism things like liberalism and0:13:42 things like ironically enough0:13:44 constitutionalism republicanism0:13:46 nationalism as well so if that is the0:13:48 case0:13:49 then to what extent can a government0:13:51 like yours in india a nationalist0:13:53 government a secular government one that0:13:55 maybe claims to be liberal and democrat0:13:56 democratic at the same time all those0:13:58 things0:13:59 could that be classified as a religious0:14:01 type of reasoning or a religious kind of0:14:04 thing in the first place and if it is0:14:06 religion0:14:07 then if it is religious then it wouldn't0:14:08 be secular and so once again your ideal0:14:11 would be dismissed why should we0:14:14 prioritize even if barring0:14:17 or bearing into consideration secularism0:14:19 why why should we con why should we0:14:22 privilege political ideology over and0:14:24 above0:14:25 theological0:14:26 uh systems is there any argument that0:14:28 you have from first principles that lead0:14:30 us to that0:14:32 so you see you see the problem is you've0:14:34 inserted your opinion0:14:36 my dear and unfortunately what you0:14:38 haven't done is provide any evidence and0:14:40 the quran states0:14:44 bring your evidences for your truthful0:14:45 many muslims who embrace the sharia0:14:47 thought of it as a substitute for the0:14:50 law of the land and that's where the0:14:51 problem lies the sharia was just0:14:53 supposed to be a way of living so now0:14:56 you're making a theological claim you're0:14:57 saying it's meant to be a way of living0:14:58 it's not meant to be for governance0:15:00 so but how would you make sense of all0:15:02 the quranic verses in that hadith which0:15:04 clearly indicates0:15:06 that0:15:07 which are addressing in the first place0:15:09 politicians0:15:11 generals and armies and so on and while0:15:13 european nations later separated the0:15:15 church from the state many islamic0:15:17 countries did not0:15:19 france britain and other europe so0:15:23 so uh0:15:25 european powers had colonized much of0:15:27 west asia africa and asia when they left0:15:30 leaders of the newly formed muslim0:15:31 majority countries faced a dilemma0:15:34 should they govern based on previous0:15:36 islamic values or should they embrace0:15:38 laws inherited leaders of those nations0:15:41 that you're talking about were usually0:15:43 puppet leaders installed by the colonial0:15:46 overlords that just left well they chose0:15:48 the sharia as the basis of their legal0:15:50 justice system well you said it yourself0:15:52 they chose if if that is what you0:15:54 believe that they chose and the people0:15:56 of the country chose that and we say 960:15:58 according to pew of afghani people want0:16:00 the sharia isn't that a kind of0:16:02 democratic reasoning0:16:04 and if it is a kind of democratic0:16:05 reasoning on your worldview shouldn't0:16:07 you be respectful0:16:09 respectful of that and get out of their0:16:10 business what's your point why are you0:16:12 getting involved in other people's0:16:13 choices you said they chose the sharia0:16:15 so what why is it what's got to do with0:16:17 you as an indian what happens in0:16:18 afghanistan iran or anywhere else0:16:20 you're it's island of your business with0:16:21 what you respect you should focus on the0:16:23 minorities in india that are being0:16:25 destroyed killed and lynched0:16:27 if you want to talk about0:16:29 rights human rights what makes this law0:16:32 acceptable in some countries and0:16:34 horrific in others0:16:35 it's understanding and implementation0:16:38 some countries enforce the most0:16:39 discriminatory and patriarchal right so0:16:42 what does so if that's true what would0:16:44 make it different from any other system0:16:47 and now you've mentioned a key term0:16:49 what if i reject the term altogether as0:16:51 a social construct because actually if0:16:53 we say for example that patriarchy talks0:16:56 about oppression of men to women0:16:58 then there's a whole range of backlash0:17:01 literature now in the west even that0:17:03 actually calls into question that very0:17:05 notion warfarin himself talks in the0:17:07 myth of male power about the fact that0:17:09 if you define power as somebody's0:17:12 ability to have control of their own0:17:13 life then you can't say that men being0:17:16 forced to go to war and go into0:17:17 dangerous jobs and so on and so forth0:17:19 that counts as power and so your idea of0:17:20 patriarchy therefore will completely0:17:23 change forget about okay backlash0:17:25 literature even third wave feminists0:17:27 people like judith butler in her book0:17:30 gender troubles she puts into the0:17:31 question this notion of patriarchy so0:17:34 why should we assume patriarchy once0:17:36 again you're assuming all these labels0:17:39 patriarchy modernity progressivism0:17:41 without arguing them for them first on0:17:43 first principles why should we be0:17:45 colonized mentally and ideologically as0:17:48 you and i in our respective nations were0:17:50 colonized physically by the british0:17:53 troops0:17:55 why are you submitting0:17:57 in this manner0:17:59 why is there some kind of inferiority0:18:01 complex perhaps that you have0:18:04 are you weakened by0:18:05 western hegemony have you got nothing to0:18:08 offer or have you got nothing that0:18:10 you've extracted from your own culture0:18:11 that can compete with western0:18:14 ideological hegemony0:18:15 and is that the reason why you have such0:18:17 an inferiority complex we don't feel the0:18:18 same way unfortunately and you know the0:18:20 thing is you and i both know the reason0:18:22 why you're speaking about islam and0:18:23 they're all scared of it is because it's0:18:25 a sleeping giant that you don't want to0:18:26 wake up because it's the thing that for0:18:29 hundreds of years civilization lee had0:18:32 brought all of these different nations0:18:34 together0:18:35 multicultural multiracial0:18:38 and also multi-religious0:18:41 under one banner0:18:42 and it's the thing you're you're scared0:18:44 of which is why in your country your0:18:46 political leadership is doing what it's0:18:48 doing to the minorities there don't0:18:50 pretend we know why you keep mentioning0:18:52 muslims in your streams and islam0:18:54 because you're scared of it you're0:18:55 coward they selectively picked certain0:18:58 verses from the quran and legalized0:19:00 draconian practices0:19:02 like polygamy0:19:04 how is polygamy a draconian practice you0:19:07 seem not to even understand the words0:19:08 that you're using polygamy by the way is0:19:10 something which is sanctionable by0:19:13 liberalism there's nothing wrong with0:19:15 polygamy or liberalism tell me one thing0:19:17 that liberalism opposes about polygamy0:19:20 by the way hinduism which is probably0:19:22 the religion of your forefathers and0:19:23 predecessors i don't know if it's your0:19:25 religion as well but certainly it's the0:19:26 majority of religion in india allows0:19:28 polygamy let's take a look at what zakir0:19:29 naik the guy by the way you tried to0:19:31 kick out of your country because he was0:19:32 converting the people to islam0:19:34 yes and because of free speech let's see0:19:36 what he has to say about this matter if0:19:38 you read ramayan the father of ram king0:19:41 dashrath he had three wives0:19:43 if you read the vishnu sutra chapter0:19:45 number 24 verse number one it says a0:19:47 brahman can have four wives0:19:49 if read ma bharat krishna and how many0:19:51 wives four0:19:52 ten thousand ten thousand krishna had0:19:55 sixteen thousand one hundred and eight0:19:56 wives he didn't like hearing his voice0:19:58 did you0:19:59 made him made you angry didn't he like0:20:01 many of the hindus nationalist hindu0:20:04 nationalist racist i know how you feel0:20:07 about that man0:20:08 but you can die in your age with all due0:20:10 respect you can die in your rage0:20:13 because he still0:20:14 has changed the demographic of your0:20:16 country genital mutation0:20:19 genital mutation0:20:21 you can't even say the word dear you0:20:23 can't even say the word it's mutilation0:20:26 mutation what is this kind of what is0:20:27 this transformers what is a cancer0:20:30 you can't even speak english properly0:20:32 can you it's mutilation and you're0:20:34 saying this is meant in the quran0:20:37 and then0:20:37 underneath is not mentioned in the quran0:20:39 in any quranic verse0:20:42 so why i mention it in the list with0:20:44 with with polygyny it should be0:20:46 pollution why polligenic and mutilation0:20:49 why are you putting them together and by0:20:50 the way triple talaq0:20:52 i mean uh doing through talking one much0:20:54 less is haram something that islam0:20:55 doesn't allow according to all schools0:20:57 of thought does god judge differently0:20:59 based on gender no the quran actually0:21:01 answers that directly itself0:21:10 that god does not let to waste0:21:13 any deed of those who do deeds from men0:21:16 and women and both of them are from one0:21:18 another why are you mentioning this as0:21:20 if it's something that we believe in0:21:23 what who are you even uh0:21:26 putting this to0:21:27 you know the answer if if you're asking0:21:29 a theological question the quran says no0:21:31 for many clerics it does it shouldn't do0:21:33 because the quran i don't know of any0:21:35 cleric scholar islam who believes that0:21:37 give me one name of a scholar who0:21:39 believes that there is not such a thing0:21:40 as spiritual equality in islam we do not0:21:43 believe that equality in value means0:21:45 identicality and roles so where there is0:21:48 physiological or0:21:51 psychological whatever it may be0:21:52 differences between men and women there0:21:54 may be some0:21:56 facilitation for either man and or woman0:21:59 in the quran0:22:00 but we would say that is fully justified0:22:03 why should man and woman dress0:22:04 differently in fact you're talking about0:22:06 dress code if i were to take my shirt0:22:08 off and a woman was to take her shirt0:22:09 off in this very country that i live in0:22:11 the uk yeah do you think will be judged0:22:13 the same even by the law in this land no0:22:16 the answer is not despite the fact that0:22:18 women worked and fought alongside the0:22:20 prophet0:22:21 they won't tell you this0:22:22 in some countries who won't tell you0:22:25 this women cannot step out without an0:22:28 abaya or a veil but men can dress the0:22:30 way they want really can men dress the0:22:32 way they want or is there not a0:22:33 restriction for them from the navel to0:22:35 the knee as well0:22:36 once again you don't know sharia and you0:22:38 don't know if so you're making blunders0:22:39 women cannot stand for president but men0:22:42 can govern for a lifetime who said women0:22:44 cannot stand for president in islam who0:22:46 said this0:22:48 this is a different a matter of opinion0:22:51 you mentioned this already there's a0:22:52 difference between khalifa0:22:54 okay and wizard0:22:57 and it's not it's no consensus in islam0:22:59 that a woman cannot stand for a0:23:01 president or if a leader of a country0:23:04 there's no consensus on to that0:23:06 to that effect women cannot choose to0:23:09 have an abortion0:23:10 women can choose to have an abortion0:23:12 before 40 days according to the hambuli0:23:14 medhab if there is a reason for it but0:23:16 abortion is not a muslim specific issue0:23:18 i don't know why you're mentioning it0:23:19 in fact islam has a more lenient view on0:23:21 abortion than catholicism0:23:24 why are you mentioning abortion anyway0:23:25 after a certain time period many people0:23:27 would say when the baby becomes viable0:23:29 or insolvent happens then no we0:23:31 shouldn't cause an abortion because we0:23:32 are not going to0:23:34 prefer so-called women's rights on0:23:35 children's rights0:23:37 so what are you talking about0:23:39 why why are you now inserting abortion0:23:40 into this discussion you seem to be0:23:43 secularizing the discourse even to the0:23:45 even to the detriment of the uh0:23:48 the american discussion on abortion this0:23:50 is a discussion that's happening in0:23:52 america whether abortion is okay or not0:23:55 but men are allowed to have four wives0:23:58 so what if men are allowed to have four0:23:59 wives what's wrong with that0:24:02 why shouldn't men have four wives in in0:24:04 this country in the uk i can have a0:24:06 thousand women sexual partners one0:24:08 thousand just like krishna had sixteen0:24:10 thousand one hundred and eight wives so0:24:12 when krishna can have sixteen thousand0:24:14 one and eight five so why can't we0:24:15 muslims have at least0:24:16 four women cannot travel without a male0:24:19 guardian why would they want to travel0:24:20 in a country like india without a male0:24:21 guardian their male guardians are being0:24:23 lynched themselves why would a woman0:24:24 want to risk it and get raped0:24:27 try women cannot retain0:24:29 where does it say women cannot drive in0:24:30 the islam and in fact i don't think any0:24:33 country now the last one was saudi0:24:34 arabia that that's implementing that0:24:37 they've stopped implementing that and0:24:38 even their foreign minister by the way0:24:40 has said that this is a cultural0:24:41 practice of ours has got nothing to do0:24:42 with islam0:24:44 so why are you mentioning that as if0:24:45 it's got something to do is this0:24:46 something that was even practiced in0:24:48 afghanistan that women can't drive is0:24:50 this something that was practiced in0:24:51 india or pakistan or egypt or indonesia0:24:54 so what's the proportion my question is0:24:56 now you're talking about demography0:24:58 saudi arabia was the only country which0:25:00 banned 30 million people was 1.8 billion0:25:02 so why are you generalizing some such a0:25:05 small country in terms of population to0:25:07 the entire muslim community in the world0:25:09 1.8 billion people0:25:11 it seems to me like you're really0:25:12 clutching at straws here and it seems to0:25:14 me like you're embarrassing yourself by0:25:16 using all these kind of orientalist0:25:18 tropes and0:25:19 kind of generalizing the discourse with0:25:22 it how embarrassing0:25:24 they have their children after divorce0:25:26 and that's that's actually false you0:25:27 should you said that women don't have0:25:28 custody of the children of the0:25:30 i don't know who who you got that from0:25:31 in fact women do have custody over their0:25:34 children of a divorce and in fact to the0:25:35 detriment of the man in most cases0:25:37 unless she gets uh divorced and so on i0:25:39 sort of get remarried again and there's0:25:41 discussions about how that takes place0:25:43 but what you're saying is false women do0:25:46 get custody of their children after0:25:48 divorce and there's that hadith in0:25:49 timothy to that effect where a woman0:25:51 came to the prophet and said i have0:25:53 raised the child and i've read thing0:25:55 i have uh gave it for my put on my lap0:25:57 and given it my milk and so on and the0:25:59 prophet said that you0:26:01 would be given custody of it but if you0:26:02 get married that the custody will be0:26:04 given to the man0:26:06 and so the jurors differ as to how this0:26:08 would take place but your what you're0:26:09 saying is false0:26:11 in fact custody laws are bolstered for0:26:13 women in islam0:26:15 and in fact there are so many things0:26:17 that i could even speak about in regards0:26:18 to breastfeeding and how breastfeeding0:26:21 can some schools have thought say the0:26:22 man has to pay for it the hamburglar0:26:24 school of thought which you said was0:26:24 more strict says you have to pay for the0:26:26 breast milk and so0:26:27 so you seem to me0:26:29 as an ignorant person who doesn't know0:26:31 about sharia and is conflating between0:26:34 cultural practices0:26:36 and the sharia receive half of what is0:26:38 awarded to their brothers in inheritance0:26:41 yes but they also receive the same if0:26:43 they're a man if sorry they're the same0:26:45 if they're a parent and they receive the0:26:48 the lion's share if there's two sisters0:26:56 if there's more than two women they get0:26:57 two thirds of what's left behind it's a0:26:59 misconception to assume therefore that0:27:01 women inheritance get less than men in0:27:03 islam all things including religion must0:27:06 evolve with time0:27:07 okay that's an assertion if that's what0:27:09 you think everything including religion0:27:10 must evolve with time what is your0:27:12 evidence for that and what is it0:27:13 evolving towards is it evolving towards0:27:16 western enlightenment value and what0:27:17 makes western and life and value true0:27:20 you have to be able to argue from first0:27:22 principles that liberalism is true that0:27:24 secularism is true that any ism that you0:27:26 decide to pluck out from them post0:27:28 enlightenment or enlightenment discourse0:27:31 is true in the first place before you0:27:32 say evolution because this implies0:27:34 progression0:27:36 if some practices are outdated they must0:27:39 end0:27:40 well what about democracy it's the most0:27:41 outdated practice known to0:27:43 western western ideology it's a three0:27:46 thousand year old it's a two thousand0:27:47 year old practice two two and a half0:27:48 thousand year old practice yet we still0:27:50 practice it in one form or another so0:27:53 this is the genetic fallacy you are0:27:55 saying because of when something uh0:27:58 existed it must end0:28:01 what if something is true0:28:03 what if it happened a thousand years ago0:28:04 but it's true maria's interpretation and0:28:06 practice clashes with today's way of0:28:08 life0:28:09 what's today's way of life what the0:28:10 white man said is that what you mean by0:28:13 what the white man said what the0:28:14 privileged white colonial white man said0:28:16 social structures then perhaps it's time0:28:19 for revision and reflection0:28:21 and perhaps not rather than resentment0:28:23 so as we've seen here this is0:28:25 misinformation lack of argument proper0:28:27 argumentation if her argument0:28:30 was of building0:28:32 okay0:28:33 the foundations would now0:28:35 would be crumbled at the edifice0:28:37 the building would be blown to bits0:28:40 and would be a pile0:28:42 or a heap of rubble0:28:45 next time when you try and speak about0:28:48 islam0:28:49 get your facts right0:28:50 or get ready to be embarrassed as you0:28:52 have been in this session0:28:54 assalamu alaikum0:28:57 foreign