Is "ISIS" Similar to "Israel" ? Muslim vs Jew (2019-04-01) ​

0:00:13 the reason why i was saying hamas was
0:00:15 funded by israel in 1980s
0:00:17 yeah the reason why that's an important
0:00:18 consideration is because the the main
0:00:20 threat at that time was the plo the
0:00:22 palestinian liberation organization
0:00:24 organization and the reason why they
0:00:26 were amazing they had the majority of
0:00:28 the
0:00:28 military capabilities and so on yeah and
0:00:30 so what happened was that there was a
0:00:32 conflict in interest or if there was a
0:00:34 structure
0:00:34 actually there was a no sorry there was
0:00:36 a struggle for power there was a
0:00:37 struggle for power
0:00:38 between hamas and it continues until
0:00:40 this day and the plo right
0:00:41 and that struggle for power the israelis
0:00:44 saw
0:00:45 an opening and they said you know divide
0:00:47 and conquer
0:00:48 if we fund the hamas and we militarize
0:00:51 them then they'll fight each other we
0:00:52 don't have to fight them that could be
0:00:53 yes yeah so it happens so i can't
0:00:55 justify so where
0:00:56 so this the reason why i'm telling you
0:00:59 this
0:00:59 is it's all about narrative creation
0:01:01 knowledge production the reason why
0:01:03 is because the idea of a terrorist if
0:01:05 you look at the
0:01:06 uh if you look at the forties fifty
0:01:08 sixties seventeen eighteen nineteen
0:01:09 twenty
0:01:10 two thousand so on you'll find that it
0:01:12 was more to do with arab nationality
0:01:14 in the 40s 50s and 60s all right it was
0:01:17 about
0:01:18 arab nationalism versus zionism that was
0:01:20 the struggle all right okay
0:01:22 religion played a secondary you could
0:01:24 even say a tertiary
0:01:26 kind of it was a tertiary consideration
0:01:27 at that point in terms of
0:01:29 the politics the propaganda of both the
0:01:31 arab governments not just in palestine
0:01:33 but around it like in egypt
0:01:34 and syria look the the muslim
0:01:38 the palestinians walking around
0:01:42 in the country can't just finish
0:01:45 my point the same actions were being
0:01:47 done okay all of this time
0:01:49 you've got the same problem with america
0:01:50 funding moody and all these things are
0:01:51 you with me
0:01:52 the reason why i mentioned this is
0:01:53 because the same actions are being done
0:01:56 but the explanatory force has changed
0:01:58 the reason why
0:02:00 these things are happening in the 60s
0:02:02 and 70s according to
0:02:04 if you look at just for example the
0:02:05 propaganda in newspaper materials
0:02:08 is completely different to how it was in
0:02:10 90 in the 90s 2000s
0:02:12 it shifted from a nationalistic agenda
0:02:14 to a narrative about religion
0:02:16 and that was cause that coincided by the
0:02:18 way you have to know this
0:02:19 with the ending of the cold war which
0:02:21 happened in 89
0:02:23 and the final soldiers left in 91 that
0:02:25 happened a good 27 28 years ago
0:02:28 so obviously america needed a new enemy
0:02:31 israel
0:02:31 needed to kind of come with america and
0:02:34 they came together
0:02:35 the elites of those countries almost in
0:02:38 tacit collusionary format
0:02:39 to create a new narrative of the muslim
0:02:41 terrorist threat
0:02:43 that happened it was in the interest of
0:02:45 the israeli it was in the is
0:02:46 it was in the interest of an opinion
0:02:48 listen
0:03:03 sorry you're still not thinking as broad
0:03:05 as i want you to think
0:03:06 what i'm saying to you 1979
0:03:10 which is a fact you can find i have the
0:03:12 newspaper clipping
0:03:16 or killing millions yes the fact that's
0:03:18 factual millions of being facts muslims
0:03:20 don't believe
0:03:20 not millions but hundreds of thousands
0:03:24 not even a hundred tens of thousands
0:03:25 thousands i wouldn't even say okay this
0:03:28 is
0:03:28 this is that's not available it's in
0:03:30 iraq syria we're talking about all
0:03:31 different
0:03:32 muslims but even then are being killed
0:03:34 fine so
0:03:35 i agree with you so okay that's what's
0:03:37 up it says what this terrorist and
0:03:38 a lot of that's going through the holy
0:03:39 wars and then and what isis are
0:03:41 proclaiming holy
0:03:42 what's that got to do with the west well
0:03:43 i would say to you you're telling me not
0:03:45 about even
0:03:46 isis so to muslims because nobody could
0:03:47 be terrorists well it's got everything
0:03:49 to do
0:03:49 it's everything to do with the west
0:03:50 because they left the power vacuum
0:03:52 2003 well let me know look at 911
0:04:00 i have a good discussion here okay and
0:04:02 you're just getting over excited
0:04:03 look i'm saying to you i'm telling you
0:04:05 i'm you know i think
0:04:06 well let me let me let you know can i
0:04:08 ask you a question
0:04:10 two planes went into the twin towers yes
0:04:11 yes 911 2
0:04:13 and something people so okay we're back
0:04:15 this guy burnt alive and fell to the
0:04:17 death
0:04:17 right why i could do the west
0:04:19 prototyping muslims well it's got
0:04:20 everything to do with the west if you
0:04:21 look at
0:04:22 if if we bet if we look if we if we look
0:04:24 at the exp
0:04:25 they just add bellum and they just
0:04:27 earned bellow
0:04:28 the justification for war that osama bin
0:04:31 laden supposedly wrote we don't know to
0:04:33 what extent this is
0:04:34 true he wrote this there was a fatwa he
0:04:36 wrote in 1998
0:04:37 and that's what he wrote in 2002 and
0:04:40 then
0:04:48 isaac now you're playing games now you
0:04:49 don't understand now there's a language
0:04:51 barrier
0:04:51 i'm sorry i really don't understand no
0:04:53 well let me explain to you yeah
0:04:54 if you look at his fatwas and his modes
0:04:57 of justification
0:04:58 generally against the west could you
0:04:59 explain can you just give me a giveaway
0:05:01 sorry sorry this is knowledge
0:05:03 information you don't know all right
0:05:04 so you ask me a question i'm giving you
0:05:06 the answer with with data and figures
0:05:08 i'm sorry you should yeah
0:05:13 yes before him and after him how they
0:05:16 justify
0:05:17 the cancelling out of non-combatant
0:05:20 immunity
0:05:21 yes which is the principle that
0:05:22 islamically is upheld even by them by
0:05:24 the way
0:05:25 even by them is upheld the reason how
0:05:28 they cancel that
0:05:29 that principle out of non-combatant
0:05:31 immunity is what they say is
0:05:33 the principle of reciprocity they say
0:05:35 that they're killing our listen
0:05:37 they say osama bin laden said and his
0:05:39 fats were 98. why
0:05:41 why are we killing you because you're
0:05:42 killing us he said in his photo in 2002
0:05:44 the same thing
0:05:46 in other words the reasons why isis can
0:05:49 even exist
0:05:50 is because they justify their acts and
0:05:53 their
0:05:54 terrorism yes through the actions
0:05:57 of the western world according to them
0:06:00 okay according to them that
0:06:02 justifies a person's actions
0:06:18 let's be clear we totally agree on that
0:06:20 point but what i'm saying is if what is
0:06:22 the west
0:06:22 what to do with it according to their
0:06:24 justification methods
0:06:26 they say the west because they they've
0:06:29 come into the us and
0:06:30 the saudi arabia the military they've
0:06:32 come in as military based in saudi
0:06:33 arabia
0:06:34 because of the israel they continually
0:06:37 reference
0:06:38 israel palestine bosnia and chechnya
0:06:41 they are talking about either the west's
0:06:44 um allying with israel or
0:06:48 direct intervention of muslim lands or
0:06:50 acquiescence of muslim
0:06:52 death that is how they've been able to
0:06:55 justify it
0:06:56 in the same way as the christ church
0:06:58 killer was able to justify his murder
0:07:00 in the same way by the way begin
0:07:03 the president of israel hold on excuse
0:07:05 me the president of
0:07:07 the president of israel in his book the
0:07:09 revolt which he wrote which you can read
0:07:11 is a book a primary source material he
0:07:13 says in the beginning of the book
0:07:15 we hate those arabs and he tells
0:07:19 us he tells the people how he went into
0:07:21 villages and killed all the arabs
0:07:22 he justifies his i never justified what
0:07:26 i did did i say that you did it bring
0:07:28 this to me i'm saying that they're
0:07:30 they're just a bellow and just just a
0:07:33 bellow
0:07:34 their modes of justification is
0:07:37 actually the same throughout that the
0:07:41 the jews have the
0:07:42 the jewish terrorists have the same way
0:07:44 the christchurch killer has the same way
0:07:46 and and so does the muslim terrorists
0:07:47 say it's the principle of reciprocity
0:07:49 you're doing it to us
0:07:50 we're doing it to you so from that
0:07:52 perspective they can cancel out
0:07:54 non-combatant immunity
0:07:56 and there can be terrorism so are you in
0:07:58 other words saying that the west is just
0:07:59 as responsible and just as as
0:08:01 no i'm not saying that that's not true
0:08:03 i'm saying that
0:08:04 everyone every terrorist i'm saying
0:08:06 every terrorist every single terrorist
0:08:08 every extremist
0:08:10 every monstrous person that cancels out
0:08:13 this principle of non-combatant immunity
0:08:15 must first go through a justification
0:08:17 program in their mind
0:08:18 and that justification program has to
0:08:21 start with a perpetual conflict
0:08:23 which they propose for themselves we've
0:08:25 been driven out of our land
0:08:27 we've been killed with this with that
0:08:29 and then killing children becomes
0:08:30 legitimate
0:08:31 it's legitimate for isis it's legitimate
0:08:33 for the christchurch killer
0:08:35 for the israeli state my point is that
0:08:37 you can't see
0:08:38 that the israeli government is isis and
0:08:41 isis is the israeli government
0:08:42 there is no difficulty there is no
0:08:44 difference the only difference is
0:08:46 the israeli government where's the
0:08:47 island necessarily uh
0:08:50 i would say i was saying no problem the
0:08:52 israeli government
0:09:06 that's what isis says that's what let me
0:09:07 know that's what isis says do you know
0:09:09 that's why isis says look at their books
0:09:11 look at look at the look at their
0:09:12 magazines have you read what they said
0:09:14 well that's right anyone that doesn't
0:09:15 convert islam gets butchered they start
0:09:16 no that's not they don't quote about
0:09:17 that they don't say that i say that's
0:09:19 what they do
0:09:20 okay isis i'm telling you i've read what
0:09:24 i've read
0:09:24 i don't care what they say i know they
0:09:26 go to everything well well
0:09:28 i can say the same thing about israelis
0:09:31 and killing men
0:09:33 look if that's what i thought it's not
0:09:34 about due date conversion it's about
0:09:36 a genocide it's about getting the people
0:09:38 those arabs out and keeping those
0:09:40 what doesn't mean you're getting those
0:09:40 arrows out but i'm telling you i'm not
0:09:42 necessarily going to be designers i'm
0:09:43 saying as of now that's what's happened
0:09:45 isn't it there is an argument
0:09:46 to do with what is up to they are very
0:09:50 they're living a life i suspect in the
0:09:52 u.s by the way
0:09:53 if they don't do you do you say that
0:09:54 isis is a legitimate state
0:09:56 no okay why not yeah who doesn't think
0:09:59 they are
0:09:59 they're not they're not a legitimate
0:10:01 state because it didn't have on anything
0:10:02 no no you you were saying
0:10:05 israel conquered yes that your
0:10:08 justification for their existence is
0:10:09 conquest
0:10:10 isis conquered their lands you can make
0:10:12 the same justification no
0:10:14 i never said that was a justification
0:10:17 that that the british government if
0:10:18 there is one the british government gave
0:10:20 up
0:10:20 so what's the difference between isis
0:10:25 let's be honest let's be honest you said
0:10:27 the blanket statement yeah
0:10:28 expected me to vibrate that the israeli
0:10:30 government is isis now i completely do
0:10:32 well they have the same justification
0:10:35 it's really do not have agendas to kill
0:10:37 people yes they don't no they don't
0:10:39 they're suspension
0:10:41 listen all these attacks but have you
0:10:43 read it though
0:10:44 no i'm
0:10:49 have you ever been to israel or do you
0:10:50 think i'm allowed in the country like
0:10:51 that
0:10:52 i just met i came back no matter what
0:10:54 i'm not allowed they kicked us back out
0:10:56 man you trust me
0:10:57 trust you i came back just to release a
0:10:59 jet flight from tel aviv to stanster
0:11:02 trust me i can tell you those two people
0:11:05 having a nice conversation
0:11:06 with 10 muslims i know the muslims go
0:11:08 there but not every muslim if you're
0:11:09 affiliated to a charity
0:11:11 that boycotts israel they don't let you
0:11:12 in no one frequency is not allowed
0:11:14 why not because you're a threat to the
0:11:16 country what if i boycott the they don't
0:11:18 either
0:11:18 don't eat the decision
0:11:21 i'm not going to kill you i'm just i'm
0:11:22 saying that you do that you don't have
0:11:24 marriage you pull on the flag in america
0:11:25 they put you in prison why just because
0:11:26 i've just
0:11:27 that's what happens people sorry you put
0:11:29 an american flag not in this country my
0:11:30 friend you can put any
0:11:32 american flag you want here i know you
0:11:33 can't but you burn an american flag in
0:11:34 america
0:11:35 like you said yeah the point i'll make
0:11:38 it to you is this
0:11:39 that if you're what i'm making to you is
0:11:54 right
0:12:23 afraid all these people okay he sat down
0:12:25 with him so the problem is
0:12:27 as of now what did you call it uh osama
0:12:29 bin laden sat down who's with the scia
0:12:31 did he yes in 1979 they were friends
0:12:34 they were good friends of each other
0:12:36 does that mean anything to me what is
0:12:38 that or how's that evidence he i'm
0:12:40 asking
0:12:40 in fact no you know the time you're not
0:12:42 justified the times have a picture of
0:12:44 the calling over heroes all you're doing
0:12:45 is calling israel says i'm asking you
0:12:48 what i'm doing all these reasons i'm
0:12:49 saying that you said i'm asking a basic
0:12:51 question what
0:12:52 do you want six million israeli let's
0:12:54 see let's say you morally correct that
0:12:55 they shouldn't be in the country yes the
0:12:57 problem is what do you want six million
0:12:58 israelis to do now
0:12:59 i think that this is an audition is
0:13:00 calling them assets
0:13:02 they kill people what are you doing is
0:13:04 saying that they have agendas to get rid
0:13:05 of the muslims
0:13:06 i'm telling you now there's a a major
0:13:09 conflict
0:13:10 and it's about it are you asking me a
0:13:12 question you've asked no let me just
0:13:13 finish yeah i'm just finished
0:13:16 i'm not i'm just i'm very calm okay yeah
0:13:20 just give it two minutes
0:13:21 all right yeah that's right yeah yeah
0:13:23 i'm saying people are killing each other
0:13:25 yep
0:13:25 and we know for a fact there are
0:13:27 palestinians who want to kill israelis
0:13:29 have a chance to kill all israelis
0:13:30 okay you know that's that's a fact it's
0:13:32 a given i'm telling you now i'm i had
0:13:34 friends no problem juicing people
0:13:37 you read the israeli newspapers there's
0:13:39 terrorist attacks every couple of years
0:13:40 okay go ahead keep going
0:13:42 well as of now by the way it's not it's
0:13:44 not the case i've looked at the numbers
0:13:46 that's fine
0:13:46 the case i'm telling you facts that i
0:13:48 lived there i've lived i've studied
0:13:49 therefore yeah but
0:13:50 no no no i know you studied there for
0:13:51 the past year that's one year and
0:13:53 seventy years of its history so that's
0:13:54 170th
0:13:56 well what's happened with anything
0:13:58 that's a lot of no no i'm asking as of
0:14:00 now it's like
0:14:04 so you don't really have the full volume
0:14:05 yeah yeah you hear terrorist attacks
0:14:07 left right and center
0:14:08 are you hearing this you do certainly no
0:14:11 no this is fact
0:14:11 yeah well it's usually there's a bullet
0:14:13 i know i know i know if there's a place
0:14:15 called hanov in jerusalem
0:14:17 where uh two years back five the five um
0:14:20 so what numbers are so look at the
0:14:21 civilian casualties of palestinians
0:14:23 that could also be true no hold on let's
0:14:25 look at that let's look at the last ten
0:14:26 years has ezreal ever
0:14:28 just gone and done airstrikes on gaza
0:14:30 without rockets coming before
0:14:31 never how do you know that of course
0:14:33 this rocket so what about what did you
0:14:35 make
0:14:36 for a reason i said you're now
0:14:37 justifying your candidates my parents
0:14:39 lived there in 1992 so let's let's end
0:14:41 this discussion because
0:14:42 i was going to
0:14:49 well the only thing that's clear to me
0:14:50 yeah is that your failure to recognize
0:14:53 that i know you but you you haven't let
0:14:55 me speak man i've been
0:14:56 speaking for a long time you just said
0:14:58 the blanket let me have i've been
0:14:59 speaking for a long time or has it been
0:15:00 quite even actually
0:15:01 okay it could be even but you don't say
0:15:03 that you said it's been even okay it's
0:15:05 been even
0:15:06 right you're saying that's a little bit
0:15:08 discombobulated right now
0:15:09 it could be because this is the show
0:15:18 so the point is that you said that
0:15:19 israel is a terrorist the israeli
0:15:20 government now is a terrorist
0:15:21 organization
0:15:22 what i'm saying is i will not agree
0:15:24 designers i don't agree
0:15:30 and i have and do you know why i say
0:15:32 that i say that look ergon was actually
0:15:34 you just changed your mind
0:15:38 would you mind no no let me just i was
0:15:39 just finishing do you want to finish off
0:15:40 what you're saying
0:15:41 that's exactly what i'm asking you yeah
0:15:42 yeah so what i'm saying is that as of
0:15:45 now there is definitely a threat to the
0:15:47 security security of six million jews
0:15:49 doing israel six million israelis
0:15:51 okay and there's no threat on the
0:15:52 palestinians there is
0:15:54 so which one is more severe i don't know
0:15:56 i'm asking you don't know okay let's
0:15:57 look at the numbers then
0:15:59 let's look at well look at let's look at
0:16:00 the numbers you have
0:16:02 how many people living in gaza how many
0:16:04 people it's the most densely populated
0:16:06 place in the world
0:16:20 i was going to say to you is simply this
0:16:22 is simply this simply this
0:16:24 if you're being honest with yourself
0:16:26 yeah i'm wanting to be i'm very
0:16:28 open-minded yeah if you're very
0:16:29 open-minded
0:16:29 you know that if you look at the fact
0:16:33 that in 1971 whatever it was
0:16:36 the fact that uh begin was allowed to
0:16:38 become
0:16:39 president of the country yo just not let
0:16:42 me speak okay
0:16:43 he was actually one of the people who
0:16:45 you were talking about
0:16:46 911 you were talking about sound biladin
0:16:48 he was part of an
0:16:49 operation which went into a hotel yeah
0:16:52 and killed 91 innocent
0:16:54 individuals in one of yeah it's very
0:16:56 wrong but he was your president
0:16:58 in your country for 10 years or
0:17:00 something like that yeah and then he and
0:17:02 after him the same party which was
0:17:04 actually if you look at his history
0:17:06 with the the lucid party when all
0:17:09 yeah whatever in english we say luke's
0:17:12 party
0:17:13 ludicrous party yes that party which has
0:17:16 its
0:17:17 origins historical origins in a
0:17:21 terrorist organization which is oregon
0:17:23 continues to
0:17:24 perpetrate this terrorist act all the
0:17:26 way up until this time
0:17:27 it's done so throughout the uh the the
0:17:30 intifadas
0:17:31 and up until this point in time all of
0:17:34 these uh
0:17:34 operations that have been done and look
0:17:36 at the casualties of palestinians
0:17:39 compared to the casualties of israelis
0:17:40 there is no compara there simply
0:17:43 is cannot be any comparison it's not
0:17:45 even one that's
0:17:46 because israel is more capable of
0:17:48 defensiveness oh it's not defending it's
0:17:49 attacking that's what i'm saying
0:17:50 and here's attacking who the children if
0:17:53 look how many children have been killed
0:17:55 is that something to be proud of
0:17:56 is that your how many children have been
0:17:58 killed in israel not many actually yes i
0:18:00 do know and not many
0:18:01 that's the answer how many how many how
0:18:02 many how many what are the officials
0:18:04 hundreds of thousands i don't know
0:18:05 hundred thousand not hundreds of
0:18:07 hundreds and thousands no no not even us
0:18:09 if you i
0:18:10 i dare you in the last ten years to find
0:18:12 me a statistic that says
0:18:14 in the last one year that five israeli
0:18:16 children have been killed uh or ten year
0:18:18 attempt
0:18:18 is really true that would be okay it's
0:18:19 not like this man okay it's minimal
0:18:21 it's minimal but imagine but look at the
0:18:24 environment that are dying in it
0:18:25 it's not it's not comparable man let's
0:18:26 go
0:18:31 look you're asking me the question of
0:18:33 the million-dollar question right
0:18:34 okay okay it's a pessimistic future my
0:18:37 opinion right there is no
0:18:39 there's no solution because you have
0:18:40 these competing powers they've all got
0:18:42 interest in that country
0:18:44 that's how it is and let me ask you one
0:18:46 more last question before we pass do you
0:18:47 find
0:18:48 any problem with the palestinians living
0:18:49 in israel do you find
0:18:51 any do you hold of everything that
0:18:52 palestinians users do sorry or you've
0:18:54 got
0:18:54 do you have any problem any problems
0:18:57 with what the palestinians
0:18:59 do in israel you've got you're with them
0:19:01 a hundred percent or you've got yours
0:19:03 certainly with them 100 but obviously
0:19:05 yeah absolutely every single palestinian
0:19:07 every whatever
0:19:09 of course not it is a ridiculous
0:19:11 position for anyone
0:19:12 yeah so i don't know do you write so
0:19:14 there are palestinians that
0:19:15 do want to wipe every single israelite
0:19:16 off the map that's what i'm saying just
0:19:18 like you think about israelis
0:19:20 isaac the truth is most israel most
0:19:22 palestinians main concerns
0:19:24 are their own survival and preservation
0:19:26 that's israelis means persistence
0:19:28 that is what david david coming in from
0:19:30 isaac to london
0:19:32 every couple of nights but david has
0:19:33 become goliath and unfortunately
0:19:35 maybe maybe maybe the holocaust kind of
0:19:37 this is the holocaust industry kind of
0:19:38 discussion
0:19:39 maybe in the holocaust that that kind of
0:19:41 rhetoric would have been totally
0:19:43 acceptable and it is totally acceptable
0:19:45 but what we're talking about you are the
0:19:46 bigger and stronger capable
0:19:48 uh military doing it to these little
0:19:50 groups of children and poor sisters
0:19:52 throwing rocks and whatever
0:19:53 you're you're sorry your case is no
0:19:55 longer bought why
0:19:56 why because you're the it's like me the
0:19:59 government is worried about isn't
0:20:00 innocent israel is being killed i don't
0:20:01 understand you
0:20:02 oh okay well let them be worried about
0:20:03 it's not worried it's a fact this is
0:20:05 interesting
0:20:05 okay let's let them be worried about
0:20:07 that they have a right to be worried
0:20:08 about
0:20:09 everything but here's what i'm saying to
0:20:10 you is that look at the look on the
0:20:12 ground look at the data look at this
0:20:14 look at the history everything shows
0:20:16 that this was a this is a
0:20:19 we are going to government okay i'll
0:20:20 never come with you all right
0:20:23 thank you my friend all right let's go