Hardcore Zionist Vs Muslim || Uncut (2018-04-23) ​

0:01:40 no problem I mean a lot of things we
0:01:42 find disrespectful as well one of them
0:01:44 being is your lack of acknowledgement or
0:01:46 Palestinian suffering the thing is what
0:01:49 we can all agree upon I think if we if
0:01:51 we're honest and objective about the
0:01:52 situation if we're looking at from the
0:01:54 from 19 so just before we saw I'm
0:01:57 climbing office with you know the
0:01:59 conditions was talking is if everyone
0:02:01 else keeps quiet no one wants you with
0:02:03 the phones the back you up because what
0:02:04 always happens it's may burst 100
0:02:06 opposed to me there's no 100 here
0:02:10 okay so let me put my camera wise well
0:02:13 the last time it was two hours and it
0:02:14 really warmed me out all right I was
0:02:16 gonna say to you Joseph the first thing
0:02:18 we all have to understand let's just
0:02:19 let's just take facts for a second the
0:02:21 facts are as follows yeah that upon the
0:02:24 invention or the establishment of the
0:02:26 State of Israel in 1948 and made the
0:02:27 fifteen forever was there were there was
0:02:30 a mass exodus of let's say 700,000
0:02:33 Palestinian individuals they were
0:02:35 displaced and that became 5.5 million
0:02:37 refugees according to the UN we can't
0:02:40 deny the fact that Palestinians have
0:02:42 been this this place from a home they
0:02:44 had once called their own now what do
0:02:47 you want to put that down to the
0:02:48 Holocaust or not that's aside the point
0:02:51 actually this conflation this is a
0:02:52 conflation is a conflation of different
0:02:54 points my point to you is do you deny
0:02:56 the fact that there has been a
0:02:58 systematic ethnic cleansing of the
0:03:00 Palestinian communities from I would not
0:03:03 even say own even stuff from the 1948 I
0:03:05 suffer from live night in the 1930s up
0:03:08 until the establishment of 90 of of
0:03:10 Israel 1948 in the form of groups like
0:03:14 organ groups like the Hagana who are
0:03:17 meant to be the moderate version of gone
0:03:19 coming together premeditatedly using
0:03:23 files which we now have access to
0:03:25 because of the 1998 military files that
0:03:28 there is Rayleigh government let loose
0:03:30 primary source materials which stipulate
0:03:32 that there's been this village files
0:03:33 which show that these groups that were
0:03:35 but before the establishment of the
0:03:37 establishment of Israel had
0:03:38 topographical information demographical
0:03:41 information all of which outlined how
0:03:42 many villages there were how many people
0:03:44 lived in those villages and what to do
0:03:46 to get those Arabs out of those villages
0:03:49 and to replace those Arabs with Jews now
0:03:52 tell me in your mind give me one reason
0:03:54 why that is not a racist establishment
0:03:58 of a state and how that is this Jewish
0:04:01 exclusive ization or this this racial
0:04:05 prejudice that that the designers
0:04:06 movement had a desk or how it is not at
0:04:09 its heart actually a racist movement can
0:04:11 you explain that to me please to respond
0:04:13 to the many mysteries so you said that
0:04:15 okay go ahead okay
0:04:17 so if you want to talk about ethnic
0:04:19 cleansing the first thing you need to do
0:04:21 is just look at things logically so if
0:04:23 you're looking at things logically and
0:04:24 you look at the areas that the
0:04:26 Palestinians control yeah what now yeah
0:04:29 now area a or the guy go ahead yeah not
0:04:32 one to besides just the job okay I was
0:04:35 quite all the way through you I said
0:04:37 okay I said okay okay so when the
0:04:41 Jordanians conquered the West Bank
0:04:43 conquer Jerusalem yeah they conquered it
0:04:45 and they declared it part they declared
0:04:46 the West Bank part of joy as I'm sure
0:04:48 you know okay and the British recognize
0:04:50 this you surfing of the land and
0:04:52 declaring it as Jordanian so when the
0:04:54 Jordanians conquered the West Bank they
0:04:57 enacted a law that said Jews aren't
0:04:58 allowed to live here the Palestinian
0:05:00 National Authority has continued that
0:05:02 law and forbade any Jew from living in
0:05:04 area a when the Egyptians conquered p.m.
0:05:07 Gaza in 1948 they also enacted a law
0:05:10 which forbade any Jew from living there
0:05:13 I've got Jewish friends of mine that
0:05:14 come from the Gaza and Jewish community
0:05:16 that were expelled from their home
0:05:18 cleansed from their home ethnically
0:05:20 cleansed from the home for you I was
0:05:22 white that sentence doesn't make sense
0:05:23 in English respectful be respectful I
0:05:27 was baby go ahead sir I was and so now
0:05:35 you look like a real ideal and so Jews
0:05:41 from Gaza Jews were ethnically cleansed
0:05:44 from Jordanian West Bank and Jerusalem
0:05:46 okay go ahead go ahead
0:05:48 now if you look at what when was that Oh
0:05:51 94 yeah okay just so I know what you're
0:05:53 talking about
0:05:57 there were three wars conquered Gaza
0:06:02 that was 1948 when joy conquered
0:06:05 when Jordan conquered the West okay no
0:06:07 problem okay you're either for
0:06:09 Palestinian independence palace and calm
0:06:12 down and continue working I'll bring
0:06:15 this into it because you interrupted me
0:06:16 I have to respond to that you're either
0:06:18 for Palestinian sovereignty or you're
0:06:19 going all over the place with your place
0:06:20 I'll just finish one point at a time
0:06:22 okay Mohammed if you dictate I won't
0:06:25 debate you if you say how I have to
0:06:26 answer you I won't debate you okay I was
0:06:28 spec full and listen to every word I
0:06:30 said okay if I don't know English as
0:06:33 well as you ever said if you were
0:06:36 English wrong you're just he's just
0:06:39 getting angry I don't know why you're
0:06:39 getting so angry
0:06:41 hold on just let him finish my point is
0:06:54 very simple zero Jews live in the
0:06:58 Palestinian areas the Palestinians
0:07:00 before twenty percent of Israelis are
0:07:03 Arab they have complete equality if you
0:07:05 actually go to Israel all the signs of
0:07:08 an Arabic and Hebrew offer their rights
0:07:09 are completely protected they have
0:07:11 complete equality right so if you want
0:07:12 to talk about ethnic cleansing do you
0:07:14 wanna buy twenty percent of Israelis are
0:07:16 Arabs you want to do timing because I
0:07:19 feel here that you've taken a bit more
0:07:20 time so I'll just respond to you anyways
0:07:23 this is what unbelievable ridiculous
0:07:25 claim that you've just made it the Gaza
0:07:27 Strip is blockaded there is a blockade
0:07:30 on the on the Gaza Strip people cannot
0:07:33 go in and not come out you're talking
0:07:35 about Jews don't live in Israel that's
0:07:37 only after 2005 where Ariel Charan
0:07:39 decided to take the the settlements
0:07:41 which were illegal settlements according
0:07:42 to UN illegal stammers according to the
0:07:44 international community not one country
0:07:46 recognized them in Gaza or the West Bank
0:07:48 Ariel Sharon decided to take those last
0:07:51 individuals that lived in the Gaza Strip
0:07:52 out of the Gaza Strip in 2005 what
0:07:55 you're saying is actually there's no
0:07:57 Jews living in Gaza what a ridiculous
0:07:59 claim to make no Palestinian could come
0:08:01 out of Gaza or come come into Gaza also
0:08:03 about no Jews coming into Gaza and it
0:08:05 was some kind of tourist resort which
0:08:06 stops Jewish from coming in because of
0:08:08 some anti-discrimination law how
0:08:10 ridiculous are the claims that you're
0:08:12 making my friend that's point number one
0:08:13 point number two you're talking about F
0:08:15 ethnic cleansing he's here talking about
0:08:17 ethnic cleansing tell me what ethnic
0:08:20 cleansing means to you for me ethnic
0:08:21 cleansing could either mean one of two
0:08:23 things genocide and all expulsion from
0:08:26 the land now you have to explain to me
0:08:28 how it is that Palestinians who lived in
0:08:31 Palestine could possibly ethnically
0:08:34 cleanse a Jewish immigrant community who
0:08:37 came from Europe that makes no sense in
0:08:39 any way shape or form
0:08:41 unless you
0:08:41 think as biblical scholars as that you
0:08:44 and I both know would say do you think
0:08:45 that actually those individuals are
0:08:48 other Jews have an inherent biblical
0:08:51 right to the homeland which is that your
0:08:53 opinion you can explain that in your
0:08:55 rebuttal so if you do think that then
0:08:56 you can potentially make a case for
0:08:58 ethnic cleansing but otherwise it's the
0:09:00 most ridiculous absurd comment that you
0:09:03 could make in this discussion right here
0:09:04 and right now especially considering
0:09:06 also that almost every two years or
0:09:08 every once in a while periodically you
0:09:10 find that the the idea is really the
0:09:13 French forces the IDF and they attack
0:09:15 him bombard the already blockaded Gaza
0:09:18 Strip in 2000 and in 2006 they attack
0:09:22 Leblon in 2014 they attacked the 2008
0:09:25 they attacked Gaza in 2014 they attacked
0:09:27 Gaza and knowing full well that there is
0:09:29 a discrepancy in disparity in the
0:09:31 strength and the size of the military
0:09:32 capabilities of either the Gazans and/or
0:09:35 comparative to the IDF that is what you
0:09:38 call X ethnic cleansing that is a
0:09:40 systematic ethnic cleansing which side
0:09:42 before thee before the establishment of
0:09:44 the State of Israel in 1948 and
0:09:46 continues until this day and is only a
0:09:48 cue a curious - why is the political
0:09:50 elites because of the Israeli Lobby and
0:09:52 other such forces which act as a
0:09:54 crippling force for those who want to
0:09:56 speak the truth now you can have the
0:09:58 opportunity to speak the truth right
0:09:59 here and now or you can decide to be as
0:10:02 racist and I'm going to use the word
0:10:04 racist and completely unfair in terms of
0:10:07 your your your analysis as you have been
0:10:09 wherein in considering that there's been
0:10:11 an ethnic cleansing of Jewish people and
0:10:14 not an ethnic cleansing of Palestinians
0:10:16 it seems like you don't want to open
0:10:18 your eyes to what's happening to
0:10:19 Palestinian people you could only have
0:10:21 that belief you can only have that
0:10:23 position if you yourself value Jewish
0:10:26 blood more than Muslim or Palestinian
0:10:28 blood go ahead go ahead in 1948 Egypt
0:10:36 conquered Gaza yep so you said this one
0:10:38 before yeah I know but you said you
0:10:40 started talking about the disengagement
0:10:41 plan in 2005 I know we're not talking
0:10:44 just about 1948 I'm saying the Jews
0:10:52 Jonathan Jonathan Simon Simon given
0:10:54 three minutes three minutes is good yeah
0:10:55 three minutes is good because that way
0:10:57 we can't accuse each other given three
0:11:00 minutes three minutes good for you give
0:11:04 him three minutes I won't talk go ahead
0:11:07 we're kind of going around in circles
0:11:08 but just one to establish when I talk
0:11:10 about the Jews being ethnically cleanse
0:11:13 that was in 1948 by the Egyptians and
0:11:15 the Jordanian and then the laws were
0:11:17 continued by the Palestinians when they
0:11:19 cooked oh that's right so you can talk
0:11:21 about the disengagement plan but you're
0:11:22 confusing your dates the second point
0:11:24 you started talking about actual
0:11:28 populations being driven our places if
0:11:30 you actually look at the Jewish
0:11:32 communities from say your country Egypt
0:11:35 that's why I was told by a king you they
0:11:37 originally from an Egyptian the Jews
0:11:40 were driven from Egypt that Jews were
0:11:41 driven from all of the Muslim world
0:11:42 we've lived there before the birth of
0:11:44 Islam and then the Muslims drove us out
0:11:46 of there's like a million Jewish
0:11:47 refugees had to flee that either Israel
0:11:49 America or Europe yeah a million Jewish
0:11:52 refugees that's ethnic cleansing we only
0:11:55 need to look at simple demographics we
0:11:57 only need to look at how many
0:11:59 Palestinians or how many Arabs live in
0:12:01 Israel today and how many Jews live in
0:12:04 Palestinian controlled areas are Muslim
0:12:06 nations to witness where the real ethnic
0:12:08 cleansing you can put all your
0:12:09 propaganda spin on it as you want but
0:12:12 numbers speak louder than words and
0:12:14 there is a large population of Arabs who
0:12:17 have complete equality with their Jewish
0:12:19 counterparts in Israel you will not find
0:12:21 that equality in almost any Muslim
0:12:23 nation for instance in the Jewish state
0:12:25 that have Muslim in the Jewish state
0:12:28 Israel there were Muslim politicians
0:12:30 there were Arab political parties yet
0:12:32 you won't find that in Saudi Arabia how
0:12:35 many Jewish politicians are there in
0:12:36 Saudi Arabia how many Jewish politicians
0:12:39 are there in Egypt the typical the
0:12:40 reality is in this conversation is you
0:12:43 can't tolerate you personally not all
0:12:45 Muslims you can't tolerate a Jewish
0:12:47 state you would much rather we were
0:12:48 under you like throughout history where
0:12:50 we were the dimi and we were under you
0:12:52 you don't want to look at me as an equal
0:12:54 you want to look at me underneath you
0:12:56 paying the jizya belonging to a muslim
0:12:58 state I don't want that I want equality
0:13:01 with you I want Jews and Muslims to be
0:13:02 equal we come from great faiths and
0:13:04 great traditions great faiths are great
0:13:07 through the sugar and so the difficulty
0:13:11 here is you cannot accept the Jewish
0:13:14 state you cannot tolerate the Jewish
0:13:16 state it's that simple and I don't need
0:13:19 three minutes that's okay he doesn't
0:13:21 need three minutes that was very nice
0:13:22 and easy for me yeah see look he's had
0:13:24 to resort to straw Manning my arguments
0:13:27 he's had to resort to inventing a
0:13:29 discourse which was never had a
0:13:31 narrative that was never made by me and
0:13:33 words that I've never said so he said
0:13:35 you can't you can't tolerate this and
0:13:37 you can't tolerate that and you can well
0:13:39 to be honest with you had chained
0:13:41 Wiseman got his crime okay hi my hime
0:13:45 Wiseman okay when he originally made it
0:13:48 when the proposition was originally made
0:13:50 for him for the Jewish nation to be in
0:13:52 Uganda and he said no because an even a
0:13:54 full letter and which you can see online
0:13:56 a full letter saying no why should it be
0:13:58 Uganda when our original place of origin
0:14:00 is Palestine and he had the same
0:14:03 argument that this man just had it's a
0:14:05 biblical argument it's an argument of
0:14:08 ethno excuse me actually that it relies
0:14:11 explicitly on the Bible it relies
0:14:13 explicitly on the biblical Old Testament
0:14:16 narrative of David King David King
0:14:18 Solomon which some agnostic and atheist
0:14:20 a atheistic historians don't even
0:14:22 believe existed so it does rely on a
0:14:25 biblical information no other nation in
0:14:28 the world makes a case for its existence
0:14:32 using ratio and biblical reasoning and
0:14:35 that is only applicable now in a secular
0:14:37 world in the in the Western world the
0:14:39 Western Hemisphere which is meant to be
0:14:40 secular because the Israeli Lobby and
0:14:43 other such strong sorry and other such
0:14:48 influences have been able and other such
0:14:53 influences have have been able to yeah
0:15:00 okay ya have been able to [ __ ] the
0:15:05 Western power elites into saying and
0:15:07 doing things they wouldn't otherwise do
0:15:09 and say you'll talk about 1948 let me
0:15:11 explicitly well let me mention exactly
0:15:13 what you're talking about you're talking
0:15:14 about the war with all of those Arab
0:15:16 countries that were in to invade and the
0:15:18 Gaza Strip was the only the Gaza Strip
0:15:20 in the West Bank were the only two
0:15:21 things that were recovered and that was
0:15:22 why it was it was a recovery it was a
0:15:24 war of recovery of land it was not a war
0:15:26 of invasion of land for you to think it
0:15:28 was a war for invasion of land would
0:15:30 mean to think that you think that the
0:15:33 complete the Arab ization of the whole
0:15:35 of the Palestinian region which by the
0:15:37 way happened if you look at the if you
0:15:40 look at the demographical data before
0:15:42 1948 may 15 you realize that majority of
0:15:45 the Arab ization has already happened
0:15:47 why because of the plans of those
0:15:48 terrorist groups which you fail to
0:15:50 condemn by the way he failed to condemn
0:15:52 the terrorist groups of Aragon who
0:15:54 everybody almost consensually
0:15:56 unanimously agrees are terrorist
0:15:58 organizations who worked hard and
0:16:00 actually collaborated with with the
0:16:02 Nazis they organ collaborated with the
0:16:04 Nazis and he is telling me about
0:16:06 anti-semitism the Irgun who collaborated
0:16:08 with the Nazis okay the Ergun who
0:16:11 collaborated with the Nazis went into a
0:16:13 hotel and shot some people who were
0:16:15 British and other people who are
0:16:16 Palestinians and they did so with
0:16:18 civilians will you condemn such an
0:16:21 attack on those civilians yes or no yes
0:16:24 or no go ahead we talked about the King
0:16:30 David your jumpring you accuse me of
0:16:32 jumping around or go through Minister
0:16:33 yeah I'm actually struggling to keep up
0:16:38 with the amount of different straw man
0:16:40 you're building you're putting words in
0:16:42 my mouth you're saying that my claim is
0:16:43 biblical it's never been biblical you're
0:16:46 saying that my claim you're saying that
0:16:48 I'm talking about anti-semitism I
0:16:49 haven't mentioned the word anti-semitism
0:16:51 once in this debate so what I would
0:16:53 request is you concentrate on what I'm
0:16:55 telling you and respond to my actual
0:16:56 point go ahead rather than my strong men
0:16:58 so in response to the biblical claims
0:17:01 that you're making not me so no Jew that
0:17:04 I know that is actually serious in the
0:17:07 Zionist movement or the pro-israel
0:17:10 movement bases their claims on religious
0:17:12 reasons
0:17:13 almost whenever they talk about the Jews
0:17:16 living there is from an archaeological
0:17:18 perspective and we dig up Hebrew which
0:17:20 is thousands of years old we dig up
0:17:22 Jewish artifacts that go back thousands
0:17:25 of years
0:17:25 we dig up Jewish remains Jewish burial
0:17:28 grounds constantly so when Jews say they
0:17:31 have a historical claim to the land it's
0:17:33 exactly that a historical claim not
0:17:35 based on the Bible based on flawed
0:17:37 archaeology yeah
0:17:39 now only a fool or someone with a
0:17:42 serious political agenda would deny that
0:17:45 the Jews lived in that region so I'll
0:17:47 actually ask you just very quickly no no
0:17:49 no you can finish your segment and then
0:17:51 you can ask me all the questions you
0:17:52 didn't ask for my question and even want
0:17:54 to condemn the terrorists I'll go ahead
0:17:55 and for those that want to know my
0:17:57 position on the King David bombing we
0:17:59 did a two-hour debate last week where I
0:18:03 explained why it was a military attack
0:18:05 against a brilliant British military
0:18:07 head HQ yeah we disagree on that that's
0:18:10 fine we did a two-hour debate on that I
0:18:12 want you to actually answer my question
0:18:15 why can you not call that finish off
0:18:17 finish oh I leave the questions at the
0:18:18 end because you've got three minutes or
0:18:19 so fine but this is the main gist of my
0:18:20 conversation is there are so many there
0:18:23 are so many states around the world that
0:18:25 were born in much more violent
0:18:26 conditions take India and Pakistan India
0:18:29 and Pakistan was created in 1947 the
0:18:32 year before Israel was created a million
0:18:34 people were killed millions were
0:18:36 displaced much much greater scale than
0:18:39 Israel Palestine the reason why you're
0:18:41 not complaining about the Pakistanis
0:18:43 m-word caller Indian was we're far more
0:18:45 property was thoughts were far more
0:18:47 refugees were created was because it
0:18:49 doesn't involve Masjid I'll actor for
0:18:51 you this is explicitly a religious
0:18:53 conversation is not for me for me it's a
0:18:56 second thing I believe in a secular
0:18:57 state a secular Israel I believe in the
0:18:59 detachment of the Church of state of the
0:19:01 synagogue and state so for you I don't
0:19:04 believe that is the case but maybe I'm
0:19:06 just maybe I'm making straw man against
0:19:07 you to be very interested to hear your
0:19:08 answer there the second point was
0:19:11 well 15 forget second fight okay all
0:19:14 right sir you see this is what you
0:19:16 expect you expect to stand over Muslim
0:19:19 and for them to make a religious case I
0:19:21 have not made a religious case I have
0:19:23 not spoken about message laksa that's
0:19:25 what you have said and then you have the
0:19:27 nerve to say that I am straw Manning you
0:19:30 I have not made the arguments you are
0:19:32 refuting today yeah you know I have not
0:19:34 made those arguments in my life and
0:19:36 you'll never find anything in the public
0:19:37 record of me saying anything about a
0:19:40 Muslim settlement or something like that
0:19:42 or discussion about Islamic Palestine
0:19:44 I've never done it I've only had the
0:19:45 same conversation as you're having
0:19:47 however you have to differentiate
0:19:49 between Islam and Judaism in the sense
0:19:51 that Islam is a religion and Judaism is
0:19:54 a religion and an ethnicity so it's a
0:19:56 ethnic religious grouping I've asked you
0:19:59 a question it's a very simple question
0:20:00 how is it and when can it be the case if
0:20:03 we believe in a racial equality if we
0:20:05 believe in an egalitarian principles
0:20:07 with race how could it be the case that
0:20:10 you believe that a state can be
0:20:12 established on the basis of race that
0:20:15 you can expel a whole grouping of people
0:20:17 in this case Arabs replace them with
0:20:19 another grouping of people and that that
0:20:21 can be justified politically or
0:20:23 otherwise morally because of some kind
0:20:27 of archaeological 2000 year old case
0:20:30 that you're making for is as absurd
0:20:31 actually more absurd than the Vikings
0:20:34 the Anglo Saxons of the Normans were
0:20:35 having a discussion here in speaker's
0:20:37 corner debating about who should own the
0:20:39 land it's ridiculous sir no one makes
0:20:41 the case except for you no one makes the
0:20:44 case except for Zionists because it's
0:20:45 the heart of their project really is a
0:20:47 racially exclusivist project which
0:20:49 depends a heart on the Jewish
0:20:51 personality the Jewish person and it
0:20:54 must at ha exclude everybody else I've
0:20:57 never seen you talk about sorry Kurds
0:21:04 wait a minute
0:21:05 Kurds don't have a unified homeland
0:21:08 Kurds don't have unified gypsies don't
0:21:10 have a unified homeland they do not have
0:21:13 a unified homeland it's not the case in
0:21:16 our worldly dialogues that if I say that
0:21:21 the Kurds shouldn't have a homeland
0:21:24 all the gypsies shouldn't have a
0:21:26 homeland that would not be considered
0:21:27 racist but according to people like
0:21:30 yourself if I say that this homeland is
0:21:33 illegitimate or undemocratic landing or
0:21:35 illegal then I am being anti-semitic you
0:21:38 see here you're applying different
0:21:40 measures of moral equivalence here if
0:21:43 you have this idea about the Jews and
0:21:46 surely issue surely it should be racist
0:21:50 for me to say that cut a Kurdish state
0:21:52 is not feasible it's not possible it's
0:21:54 not legitimate it's not democratic but
0:21:56 you my friend and people like you
0:21:57 Zionists have never made the case for
0:21:59 the Kurds have never made the case for
0:22:01 the gypsies have never made the case for
0:22:03 any other nomadic people who are
0:22:05 scattered around the world without a
0:22:06 homeland you continually make the case
0:22:08 for Jews because you have a Jewish
0:22:10 predators and you are completely
0:22:11 exclusivist in your racial thinking so
0:22:23 that aside I want to actually feel with
0:22:25 the crux of your conversation and it
0:22:27 literally comes back to numbers again
0:22:29 anybody who's watching this you've only
0:22:31 got a few cameras anyone who's watching
0:22:34 this show actually I'm not gonna tell
0:22:36 all the channels we only if you look at
0:22:39 the nation like the Saudi Arabia which
0:22:41 is a Muslim country there are zero
0:22:44 religious Jews allowed to practice there
0:22:47 Jews aren't allowed citizenship there
0:22:49 yeah so if you look at a country like
0:22:51 Saudi Arabia there are no Jews if you
0:22:54 look at Israel twenty percent of the
0:22:57 population are ethnic Arabs who have
0:23:00 complete equality with the Jews Salim
0:23:03 Gibran who is a ethnic Arab Christian is
0:23:06 the highest church in Israel and he sent
0:23:09 a Jewish Prime Minister and a Jewish
0:23:11 president the jail the Christian Arabs
0:23:13 are the best educated religious minority
0:23:17 in Israel day let's aragón the Christian
0:23:21 Arabs are the best performing in terms
0:23:23 of qualifications from universities and
0:23:26 religious minority a religious group not
0:23:29 minority religious group in Israel yeah
0:23:31 so that's the relationship of Arabs and
0:23:34 Jews in Israel now let's look at the a
0:23:36 verbs and Jews in Saudi Arabia that are
0:23:38 non now let's look at the Arabs and Jews
0:23:40 in Iran
0:23:41 the Jews cannot serve in the military
0:23:44 the Jews cannot take up office so many
0:23:45 positions in government above Muslims so
0:23:48 you talk about Jews being an ethnicity
0:23:50 which is correct but it is also a
0:23:52 religion which you ignored in the sense
0:23:54 that yeah but I'm saying you can convert
0:23:57 so just go to Saudi Arabia I need to
0:24:00 convert to Islam yeah I need to take the
0:24:03 Shahada and then I can go on Hajj until
0:24:05 then I'm forbidden from even entering
0:24:07 the cities of Mecca and Medina and
0:24:09 forbidden from driving down dirt roads
0:24:11 Israel's are complete opposite there are
0:24:13 many non-jews that are residing there
0:24:16 they have full citizenship be they
0:24:17 either with a recent immigrants you
0:24:19 don't have to convert to Judaism to move
0:24:22 to Israel unlike in the Muslim nations
0:24:25 so you present you present your
0:24:27 worldview has been more pluralistic but
0:24:29 it's not pluralistic at all because it
0:24:31 abolish ha's anyone from a different
0:24:34 faith group from even entering the city
0:24:36 of Mecca and Medina all right so then we
0:24:38 just quickly answer what he'd say say of
0:24:41 Mecca Medina Mecca quickly turns to what
0:24:43 he said Mecca where the pilgrimage
0:24:45 happens is one of the largest gatherings
0:24:46 in the world usually people when they
0:24:48 congregate and they come around the
0:24:49 Kaaba
0:24:50 there are many deaths that happen
0:24:51 because of stampeding etc there are
0:24:53 millions of people over a million people
0:24:55 that congregate and Hajj
0:24:56 now what you're saying is let's have a
0:24:58 visa visitor's visa so that we can make
0:25:00 it an even more overcrowded situation in
0:25:02 Mecca and so we can have even more
0:25:04 Muslims killed and go back to your your
0:25:07 policies of ethnic cleansing that you're
0:25:09 used to but having said that what I'm
0:25:11 saying is actually what you said about
0:25:13 Iran about Saudi Arabia about all the
0:25:15 other countries it's none of my business
0:25:16 I'm not an ambassador to Iran it's not
0:25:19 I'm not an ambassador to Saudi Arabia if
0:25:20 you wanted to have a go at one of those
0:25:22 individuals you can go out stand outside
0:25:24 with your placard outside of their
0:25:25 embassies and try and do what you want
0:25:26 to do that's point number one point
0:25:28 number two you've completely ignored why
0:25:30 I've said the reason why I keep talking
0:25:32 about King David is because this
0:25:33 unanimously agreed upon almost everyone
0:25:35 all of the international organizations
0:25:38 including the
0:25:39 by the way that they were a terrorist
0:25:40 organization which committed a terrorist
0:25:42 attack the reason why I highlight that
0:25:43 in particular is because I want to
0:25:45 expose the fact that when it comes to
0:25:47 Jewish terrorism you're all acquiescent
0:25:49 you are okay with it
0:25:50 you don't even want to label it as
0:25:52 Jewish terrorism he's only wanted to
0:25:54 identify that the killing of civilian
0:25:56 people whether they be British or
0:25:57 Palestinian by Jews is something which
0:26:00 is terroristic if I had been in your
0:26:02 position and said the same things that
0:26:05 would be front-page news you have to
0:26:07 understand here people will be attacking
0:26:10 me left right and center you think
0:26:11 you're protected because you are Jew and
0:26:14 that if people say that the Elkin who by
0:26:16 the way the Hagin a condemned the organ
0:26:18 who became the Israeli government became
0:26:21 plant vital organs of the Israeli
0:26:23 government they are terroristic act cool
0:26:25 and had an extermination policy which we
0:26:27 can trace now because of the documents
0:26:29 of the Israeli Defense Force it's not
0:26:30 your own documents that you reject we're
0:26:32 talking about the Israeli Defense Force
0:26:34 itself it's 1998 they released it 50
0:26:37 years afterwards I'll tell you all the
0:26:39 documents arms my time 1998 the release
0:26:42 of documents cuz they do it like in the
0:26:43 UK 50 years after the event in 98 it
0:26:45 showed that the Hagana and others that
0:26:47 had very specific commands to go into
0:26:50 villages and to excite you can look at
0:26:51 the works of Ilan Pappe I shall know you
0:26:53 is who is a Jew by the way he's not
0:26:55 allowed than who is a Jewish Israeli
0:26:56 who's not allowed in Israel Norman
0:26:58 Finkelstein a Jewish Israeli is not
0:27:00 allowed in Israel but he's a Jew though
0:27:03 isn't he the law of return should bring
0:27:05 him back but no because he's anti
0:27:07 Zionist he's not allowed in anyone who
0:27:08 goes against the Zionist policy in the
0:27:11 place of democracy and freedom of speech
0:27:13 yes 30 seconds is fine in the purpose of
0:27:15 democracy of freedom of speeches which
0:27:17 be the only democracy in the Middle East
0:27:19 anyone who goes against the Zionist
0:27:20 policy is either an anti-semite well
0:27:23 they're not even allowed to reside in
0:27:24 the in the in the nation which they're
0:27:26 meant to have rights to go back to what
0:27:28 kind of nonsense is this
0:27:30 are you actually going to sign there and
0:27:31 tell me that this place is democratic
0:27:33 place of free speech my friend
0:27:35 why don't you condemn the airgun while
0:27:37 you condemn the ethnic cleansing
0:27:38 cleansing
0:27:39 why don't you condemn the fact that the
0:27:40 Gosselin's have been blockaded and and
0:27:43 are being killed until this day
0:27:46 you can build as many strong I mean
0:27:48 genuine you can build as many Stormin as
0:27:50 you like but I will just encourage
0:27:52 people to look at the numbers every time
0:27:55 you talk about ethnic cleansing
0:27:57 look at the numbers there's a 1.6
0:28:00 million Arabs in Israel there are zero
0:28:03 Jews in the Palestinian areas though 1.6
0:28:07 Arabs in Israel there are zero
0:28:10 Jews and Saudi Arabia yes there is
0:28:12 because that's the problem you say ok
0:28:25 nice on video go check on he's also cows
0:28:34 if you're all as a Jew you're always
0:28:35 outgunned 1 to 100 again 1 to 100
0:28:38 whenever you come to speak as corners at
0:28:40 you you've got 100 Muslims so you here
0:28:47 for you they don't hate to attack you my
0:28:49 friend I haven't seen you for I haven't
0:28:51 seen you for two years I'm trying to
0:29:05 understand the other side Jews have been
0:29:10 persecuted
0:29:16 [Laughter]
0:29:30 my friends in the mentality yeah I've
0:30:02 been a why have you not said in one
0:30:03 sentence I've been using a website
0:30:06 dedicated to this but you never asked me
0:30:08 why thank you very much miracle worker
0:30:17 understand the right to return you have
0:30:19 to understand Jewish persecution
0:30:21 - laughing Jewish persecution Josie
0:30:23 Josie understand it what was I laughing
0:30:25 I do is persecution always let me take
0:30:27 you serious no no no I'm bluffing you
0:30:29 can continually using the same sentence
0:30:31 star I was laughing at you laughing I
0:30:35 was laughing at you keep continually
0:30:36 saying the Holocaust the Holocaust the
0:30:38 Holocaust
0:30:38 everything you have to start the
0:30:40 sentence with the Holocaust all my
0:30:41 people have been persecuted what I have
0:30:43 a conversation with this black
0:30:44 that black man I'm not people have been
0:30:46 enslaved for 400 500 600 years if I have
0:30:48 a conversation with every ethnic group
0:30:50 whose people have been persecuted and
0:30:51 they start the sentence with my people
0:30:53 have been persecuted I'm going to find
0:30:54 that they're either a pirate a robot
0:30:56 ignorant they need to go to the hospital
0:30:58 to be accused of anti-semitism shows
0:31:00 that you have no this is what they do
0:31:02 throw the anti-semitism cards whenever
0:31:04 you feel like you're being under attack
0:31:06 or whenever you feel like you know
0:31:07 you're losing the argument that's a weak
0:31:09 thing to do a weak thing to do when have
0:31:15 I ever lost on the Holocaust one way I
0:31:17 did it laughs of the Holocaust okay
0:31:20 going into that let's go let's do it
0:31:21 let's do it now because that's a very
0:31:23 that's a very hard accusation here so
0:31:25 let's get that let's get the video out
0:31:26 you put on your yeah you are building it
0:31:38 because you have to do with the people
0:31:39 that you are not involved in the
0:31:40 Holocaust know that you yourself are
0:31:43 using your families suffering as a way
0:31:49 okay so I'm asking you see look if it
0:31:52 was me on this side if it was me if it
0:31:55 was me on that side and he was asking me
0:31:57 ask me at any point do I condemn any of
0:32:00 the innocent civilians being killed
0:32:01 outside completely condemn it and I'll
0:32:03 fight against it Jonas I'm broke can you
0:32:06 come down for a second okay Joseph
0:32:21 Joseph this is an incident which is no
0:32:23 controversy around it I've picked that
0:32:25 incident I've hand-picked that incident
0:32:27 in particular yeah thank you a friend
0:32:31 yeah thank you do not mean yeah thank
0:32:33 you a friend
0:32:36 okay he can have a discussion on that
0:32:39 you've won one camera I'll send you I've
0:32:42 hand-picked that that particular
0:32:44 incident before the establishing of
0:32:46 Israel because why because it wasn't a
0:32:48 state attack you can't say there was a
0:32:50 state involved there was no state
0:32:51 involved no there was no Israeli state
0:32:54 at that time yeah it was 1946 this is
0:32:56 two years before the establishment of
0:32:57 Israel
0:32:58 I've hand-picked it because not only
0:32:59 Palestinians were killed but white
0:33:00 British English people were killed okay
0:33:04 yes fine but they were they were there
0:33:06 are in her in a hotel those individuals
0:33:08 were shot dead killed by Jewish
0:33:10 individuals who believed in a Zionist
0:33:13 state I keep asking him is this an act
0:33:16 of terrorism he says no was to me shows
0:33:18 that he does not mind casualties so long
0:33:21 as those casualties are not Jewish
0:33:23 casualties that's what you're saying
0:33:25 okay so no that's what you say go ahead
0:33:27 my word so as I categorically told you
0:33:30 last week and you can laugh at my answer
0:33:32 all you like but this is the reason in
0:33:35 the Holocaust Jews were slaughtered
0:33:37 first I got to do a one-tailed exactly
0:33:41 you have to learn to listen if you want
0:33:42 to know the other perspective you can't
0:33:44 just dictate the terms of door head
0:33:45 going because they're uncomfortable
0:33:47 Jews were started in the Holocaust as
0:33:50 the Holocaust was going on
0:33:51 the British released the 1939 white
0:33:53 paper the peel Commission here which
0:33:55 Neville Chamberlain which limited Jewish
0:33:57 immigration to mandatory Palestine yeah
0:34:00 I don't know 75,000 immigration for the
0:34:02 next ten years 75,000 for next n years
0:34:06 they limited Arab migrations world
0:34:10 i red smooth which absolutely
0:34:11 contradicts the argument you were
0:34:12 talking about about sovereignty you
0:34:14 talked about a verbs being removed
0:34:16 before the creation of the State of
0:34:17 Israel anyone who studies the actual
0:34:19 censuses will say that in 1882 there are
0:34:21 270 thousand Arabs so Muslim Arabs and
0:34:25 there by 1946 that swelled to 1.2 6
0:34:28 million according to so why that's none
0:34:30 of your business
0:34:30 that's not your country so what if their
0:34:32 population is increasing ok so what's
0:34:33 different all right guys are swelling
0:34:35 why is it that terrorism I am but you're
0:34:45 not answering a question my word you're
0:34:48 talking about the Holocaust I'm not
0:34:49 asking about Holocaust we both agree
0:34:50 that the Holocaust was a social thing
0:34:51 why because they weren't given him a
0:34:57 national homeland they were against the
0:34:59 British because they kept in the 75,000
0:35:02 whose client lost in the Holocaust and
0:35:03 they wanted to rescue the Jews that's
0:35:05 why they were fighting the British
0:35:07 that's why they targeted the military
0:35:09 headquarters of the British in
0:35:11 is that these are justified and actually
0:35:13 teaming up with their Nazis no no how
0:35:17 long because you're now justifying not
0:35:19 even calling a terrorist the group of
0:35:22 people who are not only terrorists by
0:35:24 almost everyone they collaborated with
0:35:29 the Nazis there's many documents out to
0:35:31 buy in in the world war they wanted to
0:35:33 go they wanted to they made there were
0:35:35 communications with a gun and the Nazis
0:35:37 because they both had a very similar
0:35:39 agenda both of them one is an
0:35:40 establishment of air of Israel so that
0:35:42 it can get all the Jews out of the earth
0:35:44 or all that region and into another
0:35:45 place well the ones to get the Jews out
0:35:48 of their country to me me yes or no they
0:35:51 had a very similar agenda the Jews and
0:35:53 that's why I believe and I'm going to
0:35:54 make a very controversial statement
0:35:55 today yeah I believe here this is the
0:35:57 irony of all right mother of all ironies
0:35:58 you know why because you keep talking
0:36:00 about the Holocaust well actually I can
0:36:02 tell you five or ten things which are
0:36:04 very similar between Nazis and Zionists
0:36:06 one of them is that they both stress and
0:36:08 ethnic identity as a main reasoning for
0:36:11 their existence number two their
0:36:13 homeland is based on ethnic and national
0:36:15 basis number three they both use ethnic
0:36:19 holiday number three they both use they
0:36:22 both use ethnic cleansing as a policy
0:36:25 number four they don't tolerate
0:36:27 minorities and they and they pretend to
0:36:29 play with democracy that's that's why I
0:36:31 believe so I was very similar just
0:36:35 because your family your family your
0:36:38 family were attacked by the Holocaust
0:36:40 you should myself
0:36:41 you should my from being a bad position
0:36:42 I'll say okay will win I can see the
0:36:44 horrors of the Holocaust I don't want to
0:36:46 transpose that to another community and
0:36:48 this is exactly the problem with people
0:36:50 like you what's the problem I'm making a
0:36:51 sexual favors you look at the world why
0:36:56 is it wise across it's just objectives a
0:36:57 segment from your body okay so let's
0:36:58 just compare what you said yes yes yes
0:37:00 yes courage Palestinians are they what
0:37:04 you talking about man what's their claim
0:37:05 well I guess not moral is a college
0:37:07 they're not I'm wondering if they can
0:37:09 design it well I'm not saying that the
0:37:11 urban design
0:37:15 you have to listen to exactly what I say
0:37:17 because you can't be academic otherwise
0:37:18 I said that there are similarities
0:37:20 between narcissism and sighin ISM and
0:37:22 some of those similarities in tell that
0:37:24 narcissism stresses an ethnic
0:37:25 nationalistic base for its existence
0:37:29 number two that they stress that over
0:37:32 and above everything else you've got the
0:37:34 friend in the phone Carl Schmitt are not
0:37:35 see very similar to barber can read both
0:37:37 of their works very similar ok so a
0:37:41 couch me who's a Nazi philosopher who
0:37:44 wrote in the thirties and forties he
0:37:46 talked about identifying the friend in
0:37:47 the phone and identifying the friend on
0:37:50 the phone and in a way he criticized
0:37:52 what he saw was a pluralistic liberalism
0:37:55 all these kind of things because of
0:37:57 because of what he saw was the UH the
0:38:00 corrupted elements of society that could
0:38:02 emerge as a result of it Nazism is very
0:38:04 similar to that and obviously because
0:38:05 not to diagnose isn't Kosmos are not
0:38:08 seen Zionism is very similar this is
0:38:11 wrong yeah bacon wrote a book called
0:38:13 revolt yeah I wrote it yeah so as soon
0:38:17 as okay let's see if you've read it what
0:38:19 does he say the first time when you open
0:38:20 the book page two or three what does he
0:38:22 say okay so let me tell you what it says
0:38:23 because when you read a book when you
0:38:25 read a book yeah when you read a book
0:38:27 the first thing you read should be the
0:38:29 first thing you remember implanted in
0:38:31 psychology the acrylic primacy effect
0:38:32 and recency effect the first thing you
0:38:34 read to stick in your memory the first
0:38:36 thing you talked about in an interesting
0:38:38 way is hate he talks about hating people
0:38:40 this is what would then become prime
0:38:42 minister over over Israel in the 80s he
0:38:45 talks about hating people and what does
0:38:46 he talk about how hate is a beautiful
0:38:48 thing in some instances and why is he
0:38:50 talking about hate because he wants his
0:38:51 Zionist followers to hate the
0:38:53 Palestinian minorities so that it could
0:38:55 be more motivated to go into the
0:38:57 villages which we now know we have
0:38:58 documents off he had another one other
0:39:01 gang members I call them gang members
0:39:03 had village files to go to their
0:39:04 villages and attack all these people and
0:39:06 his force and fists and six pages he
0:39:08 talks about going into the villages and
0:39:10 attacking the civilians very crudely
0:39:12 talking about actually his his
0:39:14 eyewitness testimonies what happened in
0:39:16 the villages how many villages were
0:39:17 uprooted and overturned 400 to 600
0:39:20 villages were completely demolished at
0:39:23 the face of the earth the urban
0:39:24 character of Palestine was
0:39:26 rooted and completely changed because of
0:39:29 this whole plan that was happening with
0:39:30 Raleigh's in forties what you're talking
0:39:32 master is basically Nazi policies in
0:39:34 action in Palestine but whereas you keep
0:39:37 talking about it
0:39:38 my family have this and this and that
0:39:40 and you're laughing about this you don't
0:39:42 want to acknowledge it for the
0:39:43 Palestinians that's why I believe you
0:39:45 are racial supremacist in the same way I
0:39:47 believe you are you know you've never
0:39:50 once said there's been any kind of
0:39:51 ethnic cleansing you've never once
0:39:52 acknowledge that the Brocade is against
0:39:54 human rights you've never won you never
0:39:57 once you've never once spoken about the
0:39:59 settlements being against international
0:40:01 law and actually a breach of the human
0:40:03 rights of those individuals you've never
0:40:05 once talked about the ID you've never
0:40:07 once said that the eye is Rayleigh
0:40:09 Defense Forces have completely taken the
0:40:11 right to dehumanize human beings are
0:40:13 Palestinians killed some of those you've
0:40:15 never once even amnesty has behold I'm
0:40:17 the CIO Kamiya going israeli-palestinian
0:40:20 conflict you see the hover over port on
0:40:21 this thing they'll talk about how many
0:40:23 people are being brought me I'm not me
0:40:25 visualize them and tortured by the idea
0:40:27 from the Israeli government why do you
0:40:29 not want to actually acknowledge this
0:40:30 these are not Muslim groups all of these
0:40:32 groups are come to the same conclusion
0:40:34 but you must friend off putting your
0:40:35 hands in your pockets pretending no one
0:40:37 is being killed except for Jews and you
0:40:38 keep saying you're laughing and you're
0:40:40 dying in this environment to acknowledge
0:40:45 do you acknowledge the fact that the
0:40:46 Israeli Defense Forces have been the
0:40:49 actors and the reason for a lot of the
0:40:52 torture that has taken place with the
0:40:54 Palestinian communities do you accept
0:40:55 that or not yes or no okay no so that's
0:40:59 what I'm talking about
0:41:00 you you don't mind if the Israelis that
0:41:02 you have a complete bias if I keep them
0:41:06 bias the symptom bias tell me we can
0:41:11 quickly look at that go ahead say
0:41:12 something so each one of your points
0:41:15 first and foremost on these elements
0:41:17 first and foremost settlements yeah
0:41:20 you've never been able to tell me where
0:41:22 Palestine begins and ends as a nation so
0:41:26 for all I know you settlement for you
0:41:27 where does this role begin another what
0:41:29 is this rubbing in an end hold on
0:41:31 sorry sit where does Israel begin and
0:41:33 what is Israel beginning
0:41:35 again I asked you a question and then in
0:41:38 typical style you flipped it back to me
0:41:40 okay I'll give you my definitions but I
0:41:42 want a note for you why is Israel where
0:41:44 does Israel begin and end if you ask me
0:41:46 yeah I don't know that's whether that's
0:41:48 that's why I'm asking you you know me
0:41:52 when you don't know whether you're
0:41:57 saying where does awareness partisan and
0:41:58 my opinion and in my opinion you
0:42:12 mentioned so I believe the whole I
0:42:14 believe the whole of his roses helman
0:42:15 exactly here thank you so much so for
0:42:21 you
0:42:22 matter whether it's Tel Aviv it's um
0:42:24 it's okay everyone but you know it's a
0:42:26 laugh it's all just argument for you
0:42:30 it's all settlements none of it
0:42:32 specifically here when we talk about
0:42:33 post 1967 there are specific
0:42:35 international international road to find
0:42:41 West Bank in the West Bank
0:42:49 see those cranes over there
0:42:51 we can't go whistle oh no and then you
0:43:00 have the Gaza Strip which obviously
0:43:02 they've come out good so that's that's
0:43:04 it well you pro or against this the
0:43:07 movement out of a Gaza Strip just for my
0:43:10 yes are you happy with that so why are
0:43:14 you happy the same thing with I'm asking
0:43:19 are you up here who just told me what I
0:43:20 believe okay so tell me now why do you
0:43:22 not want to condemn their set the
0:43:23 illegal from an international relations
0:43:25 perspective illegal settlement of a
0:43:27 community or friends my question go
0:43:29 ahead go ahead can you keep what other
0:43:30 borders you're talking about when you're
0:43:32 talking about an illegal settlement
0:43:33 that's all the goods of the UN we're
0:43:35 talking about the Selma's in the West
0:43:36 Bank
0:43:36 so what dramas gone to details were
0:43:40 actually cases now you get them apart
0:43:42 and do that work yourself gonna get my
0:43:43 plunder we're so bright like exactly
0:43:45 where I worse
0:43:46 really if you say oh you're talking
0:43:48 about I'm saying listen boy if you
0:43:52 accuse me building in your garden you
0:43:54 have to be able to tell me where your
0:43:55 garden begins and ends okay so all right
0:43:58 so I believe the whole of Palestine was
0:44:00 a garden which was built upon after 1967
0:44:05 oh no no no because I'm saying that
0:44:07 there has to be some kind of notice
0:44:09 enjoy okay I'm telling you now I'm
0:44:11 telling you now that they there has to
0:44:13 be some kind of mutual ground I'm saying
0:44:15 forget about my my beliefs and your
0:44:17 beliefs according to even international
0:44:20 organs yeah like the United Nations you
0:44:22 don't want to accept any oh sorry except
0:44:24 for you what borders or world nations
0:44:26 talking about denied their post 967 once
0:44:28 the post like the pre-1967 board the
0:44:31 1948 once the 1949 armistice yeah okay
0:44:35 so let's talk about the worth that West
0:44:36 Bank West bad you can ask you the same
0:44:38 question
0:44:39 West Bank mm part of Jerusalem and and
0:44:41 obviously the Gaza Strip before 2005
0:44:43 what were they what was Senate now ma'am
0:44:45 what you asking the same question man
0:44:47 temporary peace treaty between Jordan
0:44:49 and Israel yeah who says that the
0:44:51 Jordanians when they signed it okay I
0:44:57 know you're not interrupting see they're
0:44:59 both secured aliens and the Israelis
0:45:02 agree that this was a temporary
0:45:04 ceasefire line if you can see the bullet
0:45:08 holes if that's the case you don't
0:45:12 believe that what you can win from war
0:45:14 whereas you've put it in the previous
0:45:16 debate is that what you can live on yeah
0:45:17 so in that case you should leave the
0:45:18 whole of Israel because the 1948 war one
0:45:22 you the most land so if you're talking
0:45:23 about what what war gets not you said
0:45:28 this before yeah no you have said this
0:45:30 before you have said there's more trade
0:45:31 land for peace which has been a policy
0:45:34 of Israel they gave me a thought your
0:45:36 land
0:45:36 it's not your lines my friend why why
0:45:40 not all about Jewish country my friend
0:45:44 listen he keeps saying Sinai this
0:45:45 country when was Sinai the property of
0:45:48 Jewish people listen when was I'm asking
0:45:52 you a simple question
0:45:54 listen to me before the 17th before the
0:45:57 1973 war
0:45:58 before the 1966 war I'm asking a simple
0:46:00 question when was Sinai the property of
0:46:04 Jewish people before there you have it
0:46:06 so how can you say you'll give them back
0:46:07 land that you never owned because they
0:46:09 were they were invaded so who has
0:46:11 invaded it so they capture the land so
0:46:16 you're saying that you could do that in
0:46:19 the world that is not in the there was a
0:46:38 massive conflict in Kosovo I'm telling
0:46:44 you I'm not perfect he said if you so
0:47:29 basically you know the colonial sermon
0:47:32 that is is wrong how did how did Arabs
0:47:39 were not talking about the medieval
0:47:40 period we're talking about the problems
0:47:42 wasn't they because we're not talking
0:47:45 about medieval politics that's a
0:47:48 different structure like that is
0:47:50 involving itself in CBA you can go there
0:47:53 any do I don't care about girls with
0:47:57 justice are you every diplomats and
0:47:58 offend those individuals what now
0:48:01 seriously what I'm not here to defend a
0:48:03 joke about Saudis or the Jews colonizing
0:48:06 a person is no they're not they're not
0:48:07 enforcing Hebrew
0:48:09 Palestinians oh yeah so is not talking
0:48:10 with Jewish state let's freedom of
0:48:12 religion in Israel oh yeah oh yeah
0:48:14 so I said freedom of speech and
0:48:16 expression in Israel absolutely oh is
0:48:18 that why is that why everyone or almost
0:48:20 all the historians and academics that
0:48:22 speak against Israel I'm not a normal
0:48:25 figures in Israel Israel is done my
0:48:35 friend now you said name one is done all
0:48:37 right
0:48:37 Ilan Pappe this is Bangalore if you
0:48:40 can't you said name one religious
0:48:46 freedom Norman Finkelstein noise and
0:48:50 well except food with Russian assassin
0:48:52 I said females Russian before we said
0:48:55 now since the way you say now it's also
0:48:58 I saw is there freedom of X is there
0:49:00 freedom of expression in Israel in the
0:49:02 same way as days for example in the UK
0:49:03 yeah
0:49:04 so if that's the case if I were to if I
0:49:06 were to I love about is my own freedom
0:49:16 of expression my friend did the UK he
0:49:19 doesn't seem like you wonder the only
0:49:21 one free more UK I don't care what her
0:49:25 she was not first of all she was not a
0:49:28 citizen of the United Kingdom yes yes he
0:49:31 is my friend on property is a citizen of
0:49:33 Israel and pop a citizen of Israel was
0:49:35 born in Israel and he was he's a citizen
0:49:37 of his waistband for me now no no he
0:49:40 wasn't he was banned from it that's what
0:49:42 you want to be everyone to believe isn't
0:49:43 it going imagine now I attacked them
0:49:45 would you call it the British government
0:49:47 and they did not allow me back into the
0:49:48 UK I did not take the physically
0:49:50 obviously I'm [ __ ] criticism so it's
0:49:53 all I'm saying you only want freedom of
0:49:56 expression so long as it serves your
0:49:57 course when freedom of expression is
0:49:59 academically put to you there are tax
0:50:02 lien ISM exposes it you know you know
0:50:05 it's not fun anymore do you support that
0:50:07 by the way do I support Israel run in
0:50:10 banning Ilan pappé you don't so they're
0:50:12 wrong yes or no they're wrong by my
0:50:15 definition yes yeah so Israel's wrong
0:50:17 so by my definition I believe that
0:50:19 should be complete
0:50:20 okay good finally the first is how
0:50:22 difficult that was difficult to
0:50:24 criticize your own cover government
0:50:26 policies it's unbelievable no but your
0:50:29 your posit is really advocacy movement
0:50:30 so you are representing the Israeli
0:50:32 government so what were you why you
0:50:34 represent your advocate so what is the
0:50:38 advocacy wasn't so okay I'm now telling
0:50:41 you that is good that you actually not
0:50:43 done this or that and you've criticized
0:50:45 this rule now your funders your funders
0:50:49 never like that I don't know you told me
0:50:53 you have a donate say a thing if you
0:51:00 donate you have funders you have thirty
0:51:09 plans coming okay let's make that
0:51:11 transparent my friend let's make that
0:51:13 transfer you're part of a movement okay
0:51:15 if you're saying thirty plans has come
0:51:16 in I would like to see the the money for
0:51:18 that I wanna see the transparency no no
0:51:21 because it's an organization you're
0:51:23 claiming that only sorry Panthers come
0:51:24 in its place for pluralism and democracy
0:51:26 its transparency yes yes a transparency
0:51:30 of organizations that claim to do
0:51:31 certain things like charities for
0:51:33 example no but I'm saying like okay yeah
0:51:40 well thirty pounds only say parsefloat
0:51:42 in any of the dollar channels disclose
0:51:47 how much money they get donated to them
0:51:49 if any no course not
0:52:23 Netanyahu is much much better no one
0:52:36 disagrees with what is Coliseum definer
0:52:51 so I colonialism is where you have a
0:52:55 powerful entity a state yes yeah create
0:52:59 a colony yes a colony is when you
0:53:03 created the peace settlement is a good
0:53:05 work a settlement people that this guys
0:53:12 [Laughter]
0:53:25 when you have an emperor like the
0:53:27 British Empire creates a settlement or
0:53:28 colonies that's commonly called and say
0:53:30 North Africa or anywhere in the world
0:53:32 which they then look my military
0:53:34 personnel Orion which they then look to
0:53:36 spread an economic of that colony into
0:53:40 that region and then they rip out the
0:53:42 resources and send it back to the host
0:53:44 nation that sounds like Israel to me
0:53:45 okay so this is as well so let's Israel
0:53:48 do that let's explore this come on and
0:53:50 you have to be tell me how I saw Israel
0:53:53 gone okay so if you look at Arab
0:53:55 colonialism and
0:53:57 and two of this rope I'm going to start
0:53:58 my own way you look at Arab colonial yes
0:54:00 it spread out from various different
0:54:02 caliphates being based in Iran be abased
0:54:04 and Saudi Arabia I wasn't really
0:54:06 colonialism because it wasn't wasn't a
0:54:08 colony it was a complete taking overall
0:54:10 Blanco is an actual they would create
0:54:13 colonies now first like who
0:54:15 so in the business there was a colonies
0:54:17 it was a takeover was a sacred mean I
0:54:21 don't know it's called the home over you
0:54:23 in anyways and they just over there and
0:54:27 we not almost any of the Caliphate not
0:54:30 over 100 mono you Colin yes No oh my
0:54:33 aides are called oh boy you okay yes yes
0:54:36 and the Abbasids or the but there wasn't
0:54:40 it wasn't colonies they took over the
0:54:42 land they took over they conquered the
0:54:44 lab they conquered the labs that's it
0:54:46 but then what they did they move
0:54:47 military I reporters into those regions
0:54:49 yeah okay but then it wasn't until
0:54:51 generations after that they began
0:54:54 actually for instance they would spread
0:54:56 Islam is that wasn't the first thing
0:54:57 they spread we're talking about medieval
0:55:01 period now we're talking about the
0:55:03 contemporary period assist I'm a by the
0:55:05 way I'm allowed to talk on my turn but
0:55:07 why should do you I don't tell you how
0:55:08 to answer so you do the go see I'm not
0:55:10 telling me how to answer okay tell me
0:55:12 why it's not why Israel is not a
0:55:14 colonial power yes please go ahead but
0:55:18 don't go around the world examples of
0:55:21 colonialism we have to look at examples
0:55:24 of okay look at good for example look at
0:55:28 some for examples so when you had the
0:55:30 color based up for instance red Mecca
0:55:32 Medina the tribute that would look at
0:55:33 contemporary examples why you I'm gonna
0:55:38 answer in my own way okay go ahead
0:55:42 I'm not bully you know being bullied my
0:55:43 thought is you're trying to dictate how
0:55:45 we talk no we keep saying Willie Willie
0:55:47 this guy is comet I know I'm not
0:55:50 bullying you you're trying to dictate
0:55:52 how I define being bullied it's when
0:55:55 somebody tries to force coercion
0:55:57 gee where's my first question I'm not
0:55:59 using any force Khoisan right now
0:56:05 okay it seems like something's wrong
0:56:08 when they conquered when they come in
0:56:11 Alexandria
0:56:11 they said they captured forty thousand
0:56:14 or ten thousand of our members whole
0:56:16 taxpaying Jews with the boys talking
0:56:18 about irony which ones this is in the
0:56:20 mayor Dennis okay give me the reference
0:56:22 for a please okay this is in I got this
0:56:24 from a book called Islamic imperialism
0:56:27 by Ephraim Karsch
0:56:28 [Laughter]
0:56:32 okay so that's that's a secondary source
0:56:34 material so what what I have you looked
0:56:36 at the primary source now you don't need
0:56:38 to don't waste my time with this sorry
0:56:39 but I'm gonna say is that you don't you
0:56:42 don't compare maybe evil empires with
0:56:44 contemporary twenty of sense what you've
0:56:46 been doing when whenever you quoted Ilan
0:56:49 Pappe or anyone like that one you say
0:56:51 it's from documents that you've never
0:56:52 read I've read them no you have okay
0:56:54 tell me which ones and I'll tell you
0:56:55 what Weiss ISM you tell me what you've
0:56:57 read so for example I today the
0:56:59 documents I've talked about is the chain
0:57:00 Wiseman or Haim claim Wiseman docket as
0:57:03 a primary source material there were
0:57:05 letters that were sent from shame that
0:57:06 was sent 1998 papers that were published
0:57:11 by the Israeli military
0:57:13 it shows the given in the villages he's
0:57:30 talking about a medieval Islamic empires
0:57:32 okay so that's my first forward to
0:57:33 another colonial empire go on to the
0:57:35 British Empire okay that's more like it
0:57:37 how did the British colonize most of the
0:57:40 known world what were like for example
0:57:42 when they went into India 1607 or
0:57:44 whatever it is and they put they put
0:57:45 like a economic trading post and they
0:57:47 expanded from that and then they took on
0:57:48 then they actually military the wars
0:57:51 like where did they go coming back to
0:57:55 Empire so when you talk about
0:57:58 colonialism from Israel yes yes it's
0:58:01 what is Israel a colony off we're doing
0:58:04 a korneyev off what does that mean so
0:58:05 what is best in using cymatics
0:58:07 what Israel does I'm saying to you let
0:58:10 me say to you do it the same way that
0:58:11 Britain took over India and takes their
0:58:14 resources and minerals
0:58:15 yeah and it was and conducted many wars
0:58:17 like this three my soul wars and the
0:58:19 Maratha war and you know the sequel all
0:58:21 these wars that they did the Sikh Empire
0:58:23 water is water in the plastic bowel
0:58:25 applies here all them things the same
0:58:27 way that the British did that in India
0:58:31 is the same way as the Israelis are
0:58:34 doing and recheck so when Israel was
0:58:38 sorry when India was it Britain was
0:58:40 doing that in India where was the wealth
0:58:42 they were ripping out going where was
0:58:44 this Indian colonies a colony of they
0:58:47 were a colony of Britain the British
0:58:48 Empire so I'm asking you it Israel is
0:58:51 I'm not saying Israel's are calling now
0:58:52 let's say it was a calling
0:58:53 this is a colonial power okay so where
0:58:56 are the colonies that Israel okay so for
0:58:58 example the the settlements the
0:59:00 settlements in the occupied territories
0:59:02 that's these are these are pseudo
0:59:05 colonies yes and you have also the Gaza
0:59:07 Strip until 2005 yes and then even after
0:59:11 2005 that the blockades and stuff that's
0:59:12 happening within it and then you have
0:59:15 also obviously the whole of the State of
0:59:16 Israel operate from 1948 up until this
0:59:18 present day those places where Arabs
0:59:21 lived to put it bluntly towns were Arab
0:59:24 lived they were overturned those 600 to
0:59:27 800 whoever is villages and towns
0:59:29 they're urban centers
0:59:30 the fact that they were reformed
0:59:32 regenerated and made into Israeli
0:59:34 occupied places that is what you call
0:59:35 colonialism in fact it's more than
0:59:37 colonialism it's worse than colonialism
0:59:39 I believe that the British is Pakistan
0:59:40 technology of what exactly exactly this
0:59:47 is a different one hold on hold on India
0:59:58 only recently became known as India does
1:00:04 my mathematics let me explain to you
1:00:10 please here before the colonial
1:00:11 invasions of the British Empire you had
1:00:14 different regional areas of India so you
1:00:16 have for example where the Morehu Empire
1:00:18 was yeah you had you had in seven places
1:00:21 like in my school my sword area of my
1:00:22 saw you have a moving area you have you
1:00:24 know as Sindh
1:00:26 all these areas coming together which
1:00:28 now in the vernacular they call India to
1:00:29 get it but really and truly if we're
1:00:31 talking three four hundred years ago
1:00:32 there was no India on the map there was
1:00:34 no Indian no there was a Palestine on
1:00:37 the map yes there was yes there was no
1:00:42 let me tell you what there wasn't a map
1:00:44 if you look at any map of the Ottoman
1:00:47 Empire for example when when Palestine
1:00:49 was part of the Ottoman Empire they
1:00:50 called it at this sham region okay and
1:00:52 that was it was called sham sham is a
1:00:59 non-event it translates to event so that
1:01:02 the sham region is a composite of
1:01:04 different countries of them Syria and
1:01:06 Lebanon and Jordan and Palestine so
1:01:08 that's why was known as did you sleep
1:01:11 there yeah it did so we're talking about
1:01:16 knowing that for the self-determination
1:01:19 of Arabs and not general answer a
1:01:22 question so when you say the Jews lived
1:01:23 there we're talking about a I'm not
1:01:25 going to say a marginal minority but I
1:01:27 was a minority essayist they had a minor
1:01:28 just like for example who was the
1:01:30 majority of British mandatory Palestine
1:01:32 - a minority I agree okay the Jews were
1:01:38 given a tiny bit of land once I get one
1:01:40 of the smallest countries in the world
1:01:42 it about size it depends on what time
1:01:45 we're talking about because I know the
1:01:50 Kohanim other codes for the priestly
1:01:52 caste
1:01:52 within Judaism Crystalis you had the
1:01:55 tribe of Moses and you had this is a
1:01:59 believe this is fake why don't you you
1:02:01 have Aaron Boone yes brother
1:02:03 yeah yeah yeah and he was the first high
1:02:05 priests of the Jewish people the
1:02:07 descendants from that line Accord the
1:02:09 Cohanim
1:02:09 the Cohens you look look you look like
1:02:11 an anglo-saxon Viking can you actually
1:02:17 listen instead of just like being the
1:02:19 funny guy Norwegian if you were to
1:02:22 Iceland I think your indigenous
1:02:25 answer question and you know you know
1:02:27 lair from Siberia yes you have the
1:02:36 Kohanim baby sent from R&D we have
1:02:39 Kohanim in all different groups of
1:02:40 people we have to mean the Ethiopians
1:02:42 you have them in the Yemenite yes we
1:02:44 have them in the Ashkenazim the
1:02:45 Ashkenazi Jews we have them in the
1:02:47 Safari to Spanish and Portuguese Jews
1:02:48 now we have them in there the the
1:02:50 Eastern Jews which is really because
1:02:52 you're asking well I've had this bottoms
1:02:54 our mystery in there and they see opions
1:02:56 today on topic I know you find out hard
1:02:59 with your ADHD to say I'm sorry for the
1:03:15 people on camera and Mohammed if he
1:03:17 chooses to listen the Kohanim in August
1:03:20 I'm listening Jewish tribe in all these
1:03:23 different areas share the same DNA so
1:03:26 you have have you done adenine
1:03:28 what what is it go please on who is the
1:03:30 my way showed well what is it show me
1:03:33 show me
1:03:35 okay I'm just asking about DNA test man
1:03:47 all of these Jews yeah that belong to
1:03:50 this same tribe look very different is
1:03:52 there you go to an Ashkenazi show
1:03:53 because of the lack of the whole word
1:03:55 I'm intermixing an ok that's why I've
1:03:57 got a bit of jus veneers or how did that
1:03:59 happened on man how comes I've got
1:04:01 Eskenazi Jew in me how comes how comes
1:04:04 it says I've got 5% Jew how does that
1:04:06 happen
1:04:09 I also know I want to know because I'm
1:04:14 actually genuinely now it's not a baton
1:04:16 and why I'm actually as a point of
1:04:17 inquiry when did this happen imagine it
1:04:21 was a European Jew it's a European
1:04:22 Jewish
1:04:26 Egyptian there was an Ashkenazi Jewish
1:04:28 community in Asia so though their
1:04:30 intermix though definitely I don't think
1:04:37 that happened right I think was more to
1:04:39 do with like into mixing with like a
1:04:40 Jewish woman and I was probably probably
1:04:45 more like Islamic supremacists then you
1:04:51 would see it that way okay that's more
1:04:54 likely because the men are allowed to
1:04:56 marry Jewish share woman yeah I bought
1:04:59 many many Muslims have conveyed Muslim
1:05:01 friends who've been to the part that
1:05:02 converted to Judaism what that black guy
1:05:04 would think which one is it about yeah
1:05:10 yeah but to answer your question you
1:05:19 have do you have Jewish that belong to
1:05:20 two minutes you have Jews that belong to
1:05:22 the kahut that go into the tribal care
1:05:24 no they're not completely different but
1:05:26 they have the same to you may I'm
1:05:29 talking - yes sir
1:05:46 go ahead
1:05:51 all of us you you know the world over
1:05:55 there a lot of the religion that their
1:05:57 little the everybody they shot that
1:05:59 religion the religion little it's Muslim
1:06:03 is the best one
1:06:04 so now leave them on then I know as yeah
1:06:11 all right same DNA as a white maybe this
1:06:25 some intimate it's like me I've got some
1:06:26 what idea nasal good night
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