Muslim Addresses Tommy Robinson Supporters in Speakers Corner (2018-03-18) ​

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A short discussion on Tommy Robinson's fascism and points made about the new political direction of country.

Summary of Muslim Addresses Tommy Robinson Supporters in Speakers Corner ​

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a Muslim speaker addresses Tommy Robinson supporters in Speakers Corner, agreeing that there is a Muslim problem in the UK. They ask Robinson to please be tolerant and understanding of other groups' rights, and to not discriminate against Muslims.

00:00:00 In this speech, a Muslim addresses Tommy Robinson supporters, agreeing that there is a Muslim problem in the UK. They ask Robinson to please be tolerant and understanding of other groups' rights, and to not discriminate against Muslims.

• 00:05:00 In this speech, a Muslim addresses Tommy Robinson supporters in Speakers Corner, stating that they have grievances, and that they are here to educate those concerns. He points out that Tommy Robinson has said that this place has become like a mosque, and that muslims are expressing themselves in the context of speaker's court negatively. He argues that this is the moment neo-fascists see people of a minority complexion as a threat, and start labeling them as protected groups.
• 00:10:00 , a Muslim speaker addresses Tommy Robinson supporters in Speakers Corner, noting that Tommy Robinson says that the Rohingya Muslims, who are being persecuted in Burma, are actually terrorists. also points out that Tommy Robinson's views are similar to those of neo-fascists, who use motifs of war and combat to discriminate against minority groups. concludes by saying that, if Tommy Robinson is not a white man, he should not want to assimilate with society, as there is no compulsion in Islam to do so.
• 00:15:00 explains that the Quran does not require anyone to convert to Islam, and that there is no compulsion in religion. If Muslims follow this message, they can create a harmonious society with non-Muslims.

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0:00:10 [Applause]0:00:12 [Music]0:00:13 [Applause]0:00:25 anyways0:00:26 so what we were saying right now is this0:00:27 guys guys0:00:29 it's time to be mature it's time to be0:00:31 mature london is a multicultural city0:00:34 the muslims are here look there are 300:00:37 million0:00:37 muslims there are 30 people0:00:41 okay thank you 30 million people0:00:44 are here in the eu that are muslim there0:00:45 are 30 million muslims in the eu0:00:47 now the question is there's not about 300:00:49 million 25 million in the eu countries0:00:51 no i'm not talking about turkey in these0:00:52 countries yeah0:00:53 we're talking about eu countries about0:00:55 25 according to pew 25 to 30 million0:00:57 muslims exist in the eu0:00:58 now let's just for the sake of argument0:01:00 for the sake of argument let's agree0:01:02 with tommy what are you saying there0:01:04 yeah let me say one more time0:01:06 let's agree with tommy there's a muslim0:01:07 problem yes they are0:01:09 yes let's agree with time there's a0:01:10 muslim problem just like there was a0:01:12 jewish problem0:01:13 yes just like there was a jewish problem0:01:15 now there's a muslim problem as well0:01:17 let's agree0:01:18 let's agree let's agree no problem so0:01:21 what we're going to do0:01:22 what we're going to do what we're hold0:01:25 on what did you say let me say one more0:01:27 time0:01:27 what are we gonna do because the thing0:01:29 is if you believe in concepts like0:01:31 absolute freedom of0:01:32 speech and if you live in concepts like0:01:34 absolute freedom of expression0:01:36 so long as there is no harm done in0:01:37 society and there are muslims0:01:40 living amongst you the moment you start0:01:42 saying let's have different rules for0:01:44 those minorities0:01:45 then you should have for the majority is0:01:47 the moment it's the moment it's the0:01:49 moment0:01:51 that's a different conversation it's the0:01:52 moment0:02:00 because there's a difference what is0:02:01 fascism guys0:02:03 what you have to understand0:02:08 the question is guys what is fascism hey0:02:11 what's fascism look fascism0:02:14 is when you prioritize the nation state0:02:19 over above individual liberties that's0:02:22 what0:02:22 that's what fascism is so this idea i0:02:25 know there's economic0:02:27 and political fascism we understand this0:02:29 authoritarianism0:02:30 and i know that tommy robinson and the0:02:32 ultra right are not espousing that kind0:02:34 of a fascism0:02:35 but they are saying this there's a0:02:37 muslim problem0:02:38 now the moment they start making policy0:02:40 recommendations0:02:42 is the moment they will invariably0:02:44 inevitably0:02:45 have to start being discriminatory in0:02:47 their reasoning0:02:48 and the moment they start being0:02:49 discriminatory to the muslim minorities0:02:51 over and above any other group of people0:02:54 is the moment they have embraced0:02:56 a fascistic logic over and above a0:02:59 liberal framework0:03:00 that's why0:03:04 if that's the case we don't have beef if0:03:06 that's the case we're all in the same0:03:08 boat0:03:08 thank you my friend we like it it's a0:03:11 law enforcement issue0:03:12 if you like hindu no beef thank you0:03:23 so you see you see this is it guys you0:03:26 know what's really interesting guys wait0:03:28 a minute0:03:29 let me tell you what i find really0:03:31 interesting0:03:33 i want to ask tommy a question when he0:03:34 comes here i'll ask him and but i'm not0:03:36 going to ask him to mma fight because0:03:38 you know i'm not i'm not going to do0:03:39 that i've done it he's seen it he's0:03:41 rejected it we'll move on0:03:43 good good take that0:03:50 don't worry i'm not going to go down0:03:52 that route today i'm not going to do it0:03:54 okay what am i going to ask tommy i'm0:03:57 going to ask him0:04:01 he doesn't he doesn't want to and it's0:04:03 not fair and frankly it's not fair yeah0:04:05 it's not fair unless it's two versus one0:04:08 or something0:04:09 which can be arranged i'm only joking0:04:12 now0:04:13 what would i ask tommy i would actually0:04:16 i'll0:04:16 okay if i agree with tommy what happened0:04:18 muhammad jab you're agreeing with tom0:04:19 robinson okay yeah i agree0:04:20 tommy we agree okay we know what we've0:04:22 been looking at the stats we've seen0:04:24 your argument0:04:26 and we agree tommy robinson we agree0:04:29 with you tommy0:04:30 there's a muslim problem for the sake of0:04:31 argument now what we're going to do with0:04:33 muslims0:04:35 if you've come here tommy you've come0:04:36 here to talk about freedom of speech0:04:38 and freedom of expression if you believe0:04:41 that muslims like any other group0:04:43 deserve freedom of speech and freedom of0:04:45 expression the moment you start saying0:04:46 shut down mosques and0:04:48 immigrate them then what you've done is0:04:50 you've gone against the premise0:04:52 thank you the premise of freedom of0:04:54 speech and expression so that's what we0:04:56 say we say that0:04:57 if you have if you have a if you have an0:05:00 issue with muslims0:05:02 then let's make it an issue of law0:05:04 enforcement0:05:05 muslims are grooming gangs they are i0:05:09 no problem there are things that are0:05:11 happening in my community0:05:13 exactly now fair enough there are things0:05:14 that are happening in my community which0:05:16 we're really unhappy about there is an0:05:18 increase in terrorism0:05:20 there is an extreme increase in0:05:22 extremism0:05:23 there is an increase in these things0:05:25 yeah i agree0:05:26 i agree seriously because islam0:05:28 according to pew research0:05:30 in 2100 one out of three people in the0:05:33 world will be muslim0:05:35 do you know what that means guys that if0:05:37 you meet everyone in the world and you0:05:39 meet0:05:39 everybody every third person you meet0:05:41 will be a muslim0:05:43 in our grandchildren's lives okay so0:05:46 when we're looking at sociological0:05:48 statistics yeah you'll find trends with0:05:49 muslims0:05:50 you'll find trends of blacks wait a0:05:52 minute what did you say comet no i'll0:05:54 tell you one more time0:05:55 you'll find trends or blacks if you look0:05:57 if you look0:05:58 you look at knife crime on the face of0:06:01 it sociologically it might seem that0:06:03 black people0:06:03 are overrepresented in jails in life0:06:05 crime it might be the case0:06:08 that if we look at jewish communities0:06:10 that integration is also a pro0:06:12 a so-called problem according to if you0:06:13 look at0:06:15 x community why commit but this is what0:06:17 we say0:06:18 we say look this is not a problem of0:06:21 race0:06:22 and this is not a problem of religion0:06:24 it's an issue of circumstance the reason0:06:26 why black people0:06:28 are more likely to commit life crime is0:06:29 not because they're intrinsically0:06:32 uh you know predisposed to that it's0:06:34 because of0:06:35 circumstance because of the history0:06:37 because of the history of0:06:39 what they've been through and the same0:06:40 thing with muslims0:06:42 look at foreign policy what robert pape0:06:44 said in his book dying to win0:06:45 is fundamentally important he said the0:06:48 reason why0:06:49 there has been an increase in terrorism0:06:51 and suicide bombing is because of0:06:54 foreign0:06:55 he's one of the most renowned academics0:06:58 and by the way he said that suicide0:07:00 bombing0:07:01 was more for hindus than it was for0:07:03 muslim groups0:07:04 according and he done a large-scale0:07:07 sociological0:07:08 study and produced probably the longest0:07:10 record0:07:12 so what we're saying is this why do we0:07:14 have to label the moment you start0:07:15 saying it's a muslim problem0:07:16 a black problem a sikh problem a jewish0:07:19 problem0:07:20 it's the moment you have we realize now0:07:22 you have an agenda0:07:24 you start having an agenda so here0:07:26 that's where neo-fascism is0:07:28 is used as a label because now you're0:07:30 over emphasizing certain motifs0:07:33 certain themes and motifs and0:07:36 in order to suppress certain minority0:07:38 groups that's why it's called0:07:40 neo-fascism0:07:40 the difference between a neo-fascist0:07:43 the difference between a neo-fascist0:07:45 right and a liberal0:07:47 who believes in free speech and freedom0:07:49 of expression is this distinction it's a0:07:51 fine line0:07:52 it's a that's a fine line i can't0:07:55 understand the language you're speaking0:08:08 yes so the point is this guys the point0:08:11 is0:08:12 what i want the crowd to do today why0:08:15 request the crowd people like0:08:16 my gentle my friend the gentleman here0:08:18 what's your name again0:08:20 but and the rest of the people0:08:24 where the muslim community look i have0:08:25 to be honest with you right we have0:08:27 grievances0:08:29 yes we have grievances yeah we want to0:08:31 express those grievances in places like0:08:33 this0:08:34 he's come here do you know what he said0:08:35 in a video tommy robinson0:08:37 he said that tommy robinson said in the0:08:40 video0:08:42 he said that this place has become like0:08:44 a mosque because we pray in the corner0:08:46 you know0:08:47 and he's he's not happy with the fact0:08:48 that muslims are expressing themselves0:08:50 in the context of speaker's court you0:08:51 know what because there's been0:08:57 you're right you know i agree right what0:08:58 i was going to say is this0:09:00 we know this is the point0:09:04 the moment neo-fascists see people of a0:09:07 minority complexion let's say0:09:09 start taking advantage of the same0:09:11 rights that they don't want them to take0:09:12 advantage of0:09:13 they start labeling them0:09:16 oh yes yes0:09:26 good thank you sir thank you sir no0:09:28 that's good no no leave him leave him0:09:31 now thank you for that it's a good0:09:33 contribution people are saying that0:09:34 muslims are protected group thank you0:09:36 very much0:09:37 now do you know one of the things that0:09:38 tommy robinson said0:09:40 i was reading his twitter and i found0:09:41 this abhorrent no i'm going to come to0:09:44 what you said0:09:44 oh thank you sir no seriously i'm here0:09:47 to i'm here to educate and address your0:09:48 concerns0:09:50 no no i will talk about it fine0:09:53 okay fine thank you sir all right fine0:09:56 fine i'll address what you said0:09:59 we believe maybe you're right maybe0:10:00 there is an issue of what you've just0:10:02 said yeah okay no problem0:10:03 what we would say does look if you're0:10:04 talking about muslims right yes maybe0:10:07 yeah yeah okay no problem but what i was0:10:08 going to say was this look listen guys0:10:10 seriously0:10:11 if we're talking about muslims as a0:10:14 world population0:10:15 look at the rohingya in burma do you0:10:18 know what tommy robinson said0:10:20 about the rohingya in burma i'll come to0:10:23 it my friend0:10:23 just give me a second give me a second0:10:25 what the what he said about the rohingya0:10:27 in burma and it's on his twitter i'll0:10:28 put it on my0:10:29 description we'll put it on the0:10:30 description he said0:10:32 that the rohingya the so-called0:10:35 persecuted0:10:36 rohingya are actually terrorists the u.n0:10:39 has said about the rohingya that they're0:10:41 the most persecuted individuals in the0:10:42 world0:10:43 because of what they've been through now0:10:45 when you can't see0:10:47 injustice when it's right in front of0:10:49 your eyes and you're willing to kind of0:10:51 overgo that in order to push and pedal0:10:54 push and pedal this neo-fascistic agenda0:10:58 that's what i think you've lost your0:10:59 humanity how could you how could he0:11:02 how dare he how would he how could we0:11:04 stand this0:11:05 that we're talking about all these0:11:07 people being killed we're talking about0:11:09 all of these people0:11:11 being butchered and exiled from their0:11:13 homeland and then he would say0:11:15 that they're so called persecuted0:11:17 minority and they're actually terrorists0:11:19 i went to cox's bazar i went to the0:11:21 border with burma0:11:23 and i met the women i met the women who0:11:25 had seen their children being killed and0:11:27 persecuted and thrown into fires0:11:30 are these terrorists as well i mean this0:11:32 is where people have lost their0:11:34 humanities it's called collective guilt0:11:36 it's another principle by which and0:11:37 through which neo-fascists0:11:39 attempt to capture the agenda0:11:45 because it's freedom of speech i can0:11:46 speak about neo-fascists0:11:48 so this is what they use collective0:11:50 guilt that's why they burn the jews0:11:52 that's why they burn the jews that's why0:11:54 they're burning the burmese0:11:56 that's why they're bombing the rohingya0:11:58 and that is the0:11:59 that is the agenda that this man wants0:12:02 to bring to this country0:12:03 hey tommy yes okay you ask your opinion0:12:06 that's my opinion0:12:08 this is my opinion yes i don't agree0:12:10 with the racists there are real racists0:12:12 here0:12:13 uh generation identity i spoke to them0:12:15 last week they want to get rid of all0:12:16 the muslims from europe0:12:17 i don't agree with that madness good0:12:18 excellent so that's that's right0:12:20 how are you going to get rid of them0:12:23 with respect i don't want to talk about0:12:24 your views here0:12:25 can i say something you're accusing0:12:26 tommy robinson yeah of being a fascist0:12:28 and a racist0:12:29 i didn't say racist right now just use0:12:30 the word fascist i've used the word0:12:33 fascist because this is what i think0:12:34 fashion you have to understand something0:12:36 about0:12:37 perfect so the word fascism comes from0:12:40 the word0:12:40 fascist which means to bundle something0:12:42 up and it entails0:12:45 it entails prioritizing the nation0:12:48 over and above the individual and that0:12:50 now what this means is0:12:52 and this is something very very common0:12:55 in the discourse of this neo-fascist0:12:57 ultra right-wing0:12:58 they will use motifs and language of0:13:02 war and combat and patriot and over0:13:05 patriotism and over nationalism0:13:07 in order to in order to discriminate0:13:10 against those minority groups0:13:12 this is what we say now what george0:13:14 orwell said is that the more0:13:16 society drifts away from the truth the0:13:19 more0:13:20 it will hate people who speak the truth0:13:22 and that's why the prophet muhammad also0:13:24 said0:13:25 the prophet muhammed he said that one0:13:28 day the muslims0:13:29 will be in a position where they'll be0:13:30 the strangest the outcast0:13:33 and this is the reality guys now if it's0:13:36 me now0:13:37 i'm not a white man and i'm not no no i0:13:39 don't want to assimilate of course i0:13:41 don't0:13:41 why would i want to assimilate i don't0:13:43 want to be no no i don't want to0:13:44 assimilate there's a difference between0:13:46 economic integration and social0:13:48 assimilation0:13:50 you go to america you ask a black man0:13:52 where he's from0:13:54 he will tell you i'm an african american0:13:56 if you go to a black man in our country0:13:58 here in britain0:13:59 where is he from he not only will tell0:14:01 you i'm from nigeria0:14:02 he'll tell you i'm evo euroba hauser0:14:04 because he is in touch with his roots0:14:06 i don't want to assimilate with the0:14:09 society to the extent which i don't know0:14:11 myself0:14:12 i know who i am i'm a muslim and we are0:14:14 muslims and this is what we believe in0:14:16 okay that the idea is this coexistence0:14:19 how do we co-exist0:14:20 now you have to understand something0:14:22 islamically i will tell you that the0:14:24 quran0:14:24 very clearly says in chapter 2 verse 2560:14:31 i'll tell you what that means it means0:14:33 that there is no compulsion in religion0:14:35 we don't force people to be there's no0:14:38 compulsion in religion0:14:39 it says you have your religion and we0:14:42 will have our religion0:14:56 you have your religion and we have our0:14:58 religion we do believe in coexistence0:15:01 you have to understand that the moment0:15:02 you accept the narrative that muslims do0:15:05 not accept harmony0:15:06 and coexistence even though it's0:15:09 patently clear0:15:10 and a matter of consensus among the0:15:12 muslim jurists0:15:14 even if you don't worship one god0:15:18 to the people i'm telling you what the0:15:19 quran says directly right0:15:21 in chapter 2 verse 256 it says0:15:29 okay okay let me tell you what the quran0:15:31 says first because that's the book of0:15:32 the muslims the quran says in chapter 20:15:35 verse 256 there is no compulsion in0:15:38 religion0:15:49 you're talking about apostasy now no um0:15:57 right now right now thank you very much0:15:59 that's a very it's good0:16:00 let me clarify it thank you very much no0:16:02 compulsion in religion0:16:04 specifically refers to non-muslims0:16:08 jews christians etc we don't force them0:16:10 to be muslims as for muslims0:16:12 they have the same thing in a sense in0:16:14 the west0:16:16 if a muslim doesn't want to become a0:16:17 muslim what's going to happen to him0:16:19 nothing's going to happen to him0:16:20 so the point is we're saying this we0:16:22 believe in harmony0:16:24 and we believe in coexistence and that's0:16:26 what the message that we want to put0:16:27 forward today0:16:28 if you accept if you accept this message0:16:32 and move away from that neo-fascistic0:16:33 message then there can be0:16:36 generations of coexistence otherwise it0:16:38 won't work0:16:40 all right