The Unholy Trinity - Atheism, Feminism and Darwinism - Saboor Ahmed (2020-02-12) ​

0:00:00 bismillah alhamdulillah wa south of San
0:00:02 Luis Villa Salaam alaikum today we're
0:00:06 going to be speaking about atheism
0:00:07 feminism and Darwinism I'm not actually
0:00:11 going to be speaking about why a theism
0:00:13 is wrong or why Darwinism is wrong or
0:00:16 why feminism is wrong I'm actually going
0:00:19 to be covering how there is a conflict
0:00:23 between these three ideological
0:00:26 worldviews so I'd like to start with an
0:00:29 example Rebecca Watson is a well-known
0:00:35 feminist she runs this organization
0:00:39 called skeptic and their motto their
0:00:43 whole philosophy is science skepticism
0:00:46 and feminism right that's very standard
0:00:49 popular narrative of feminists so you
0:00:52 know they believe in science and what
0:00:53 science says they're skeptics the
0:00:55 atheist a free thinkers and also of
0:00:57 course they subscribe to some form of
0:00:59 feminism and there I cropped a picture
0:01:02 of her when she was promoting during the
0:01:05 2008 elections you know this campaign
0:01:08 called Darwin for president you know so
0:01:10 clearly someone that thinks they can
0:01:14 wear a shirt like that they can
0:01:16 subscribe to worldview like feminism and
0:01:18 also be an atheist and everything is
0:01:20 fine
0:01:21 however there's an interesting incident
0:01:24 that happened in Ireland in 2011 2011 in
0:01:29 Dublin there was a world atheist
0:01:31 convention something like this some
0:01:33 atheist convention with all these
0:01:34 atheist from across the world and in the
0:01:37 convention you had Richard Dawkins
0:01:40 Rebecca what's her name again Rebecca
0:01:44 Watson and Aaron Ross saying down to and
0:01:47 others as well speaking about
0:01:48 communicating atheism anyway an incident
0:01:51 happened which started off like a storm
0:01:54 in a teacup but then just blew
0:01:56 completely out of proportion so what
0:01:59 happened was Rebecca Watson was going
0:02:03 back to a hotel room after spending time
0:02:07 drinking and you know had that at the
0:02:10 conference she wanted to go to a hotel
0:02:13 and someone stopped her in the elevator
0:02:15 from amongst the atheist crowd and
0:02:18 obviously this is the atheist conference
0:02:19 and all hanging out and he said you know
0:02:21 don't take this the wrong way but I find
0:02:24 you very interesting and would you mind
0:02:27 having coffee at my apartments hotel or
0:02:31 whatever it was so anyway she got really
0:02:33 creeped out and then she obviously
0:02:35 refused and then she made a video in
0:02:38 which she said this was really creepy
0:02:40 and you know stuff like that and then
0:02:43 that took off and that's like a pivotal
0:02:47 moment you know I found this funny meme
0:02:48 never forget June 4th 2011
0:02:51 skeptic dog this created a rift in the
0:02:55 atheist community you had people on both
0:02:57 camps you had people saying she was
0:03:00 right to call out that sort of behavior
0:03:01 other people are saying no that was
0:03:04 really you know uncalled for
0:03:06 so anyway Richard Dawkins decided to get
0:03:09 involved it's such a petty thing but he
0:03:11 decided to get involved and he wrote
0:03:13 this very derogatory message to her you
0:03:19 know he addressed her as dear Muslim ah
0:03:22 and then speaking about how she needs to
0:03:24 grow a thicker skin and this is so
0:03:26 pathetic and whatnot anyway she got
0:03:29 super upset and she was a Dawkins fan
0:03:34 there are before this anyway she said
0:03:36 this afterwards Richard Dawkins will no
0:03:40 longer be awarded rewarded with my money
0:03:42 my praise my intent my attention I will
0:03:45 no longer recommend his books to others
0:03:47 buy them as presents or buy them for my
0:03:50 own library I will not attend his
0:03:52 lectures or recommend that others do the
0:03:54 same so clearly she was very upset
0:03:57 however what's interesting is that was
0:04:04 something so small and she was so
0:04:08 offended and so other feminists were so
0:04:11 offended and they had this sort of very
0:04:14 negative reaction however as you started
0:04:19 to go through you know the videos and
0:04:21 the and the refutation that the Atheist
0:04:24 feminists versus the new atheist and
0:04:26 they are going back
0:04:27 and forth other people started to get
0:04:29 involved and then you started seeing
0:04:31 okay the the the smoke is moving away
0:04:34 and now we're starting to see two
0:04:36 distinct camps so the prominent feminist
0:04:39 doctor I can't
0:04:41 so that names blurred out slightly dr.
0:04:44 Marcia Bianco
0:04:47 yeah Marcie Bianco what she said about
0:04:50 this is very interesting right
0:04:52 so she said there are two predominant
0:04:55 reasons that can explain why sex um
0:04:57 sexism exists in the Atheist movement
0:05:00 right so she's speaking about the new
0:05:03 atheist movement and you had these
0:05:04 prominent feminists who were basically
0:05:05 calling out this atheism the new way the
0:05:10 sexism within New Atheism right so
0:05:13 what's interesting is that this holds
0:05:17 this small incident which they they call
0:05:20 it elevator gate or whatever
0:05:21 it showed a fracture and as you started
0:05:25 to actually delve deeper you start to
0:05:27 realize actually there's there's a very
0:05:29 clear demarcation between these two
0:05:32 camps so she gives two reasons why the
0:05:35 new atheist movement spearheaded by
0:05:37 Richard Dawkins is sexist social
0:05:40 Darwinism and the religious structure
0:05:43 that new atheism has which is obviously
0:05:46 something that new atheist won't be very
0:05:48 happy to hear that they have a religious
0:05:49 structure of anyway that's what she said
0:05:52 so first thing we need to go over why
0:05:54 social Darwinism right social Darwinism
0:05:57 is if it's like the application of
0:06:01 Darwinism to society right and that's
0:06:05 why people say social Darwinism is is
0:06:07 going from a supposed fact to a value
0:06:11 therefore they say this is a fallacy
0:06:13 known as the naturalistic fallacy many
0:06:16 ways social dog a social Darwinism took
0:06:18 off off the Darwin and what it basically
0:06:21 says is this social Darwinists held that
0:06:24 social inequalities between the sexes or
0:06:27 between classes or ethnic groups
0:06:28 represent the operation of natural
0:06:30 selection and therefore should not be
0:06:33 tampered with since this would impede
0:06:35 the progress of the species so anyway
0:06:38 this idea is not
0:06:40 really purely Darwin's idea it's
0:06:43 actually Herbert Spencer who's a
0:06:46 contemporary of Darwin however to call
0:06:49 the new atheist movement as something
0:06:52 that's based upon social Darwinism is
0:06:55 actually a very derogatory thing to
0:06:57 actually say so she goes further right
0:07:01 she says in the Atheist movement social
0:07:04 Darwinism has played out as the
0:07:06 justifiable assault of women by
0:07:10 naturally aggressive men and that
0:07:15 obviously is something that when you
0:07:18 start to study the new atheist movement
0:07:20 you start to actually realize hang on
0:07:22 she's welcome Sonam she definitely has a
0:07:26 point she definitely has a point and one
0:07:29 of the points that she clearly has is
0:07:30 that they all seem to be men who are at
0:07:34 the top of this supposed to movement go
0:07:38 back one slide please now about the
0:07:41 religious structure she says this the
0:07:45 mirroring of religion is the parent in
0:07:48 the movement structural hierarchy white
0:07:51 man at the top
0:07:52 serving as featured speakers at events
0:07:54 and figureheads of the movement everyone
0:07:56 else remains in the pews and the
0:07:57 balconies right so she she clearly is
0:08:03 pointing out some some serious alik
0:08:08 she's making some very serious
0:08:10 allegations against a new atheist
0:08:12 movement and this isn't somebody who's
0:08:14 just like a average feminist she's
0:08:18 actually an academic next slide please
0:08:22 and you when this whole elevator gate
0:08:26 thing was taking off you started to see
0:08:28 other feminists and in fact important
0:08:32 feminist philosophers started to chime
0:08:35 in and start to give their views as well
0:08:37 so the feminist philosopher Elizabeth
0:08:40 gross tonnage pronounce that she said
0:08:43 God is dead long live man Nietzsche said
0:08:46 it all referring to Friedrich Nietzsche
0:08:48 here and Dawkins and the male leaders of
0:08:51 the movement have resurrected man
0:08:54 as God so you can start your trying to
0:08:57 see that actually the they're taking
0:08:59 this really really personally right so
0:09:02 they it wasn't just a case of a a thing
0:09:05 at the elevator there was something
0:09:07 simmering before and this was like the
0:09:09 the straw that broke the camel's back so
0:09:12 I put that image in there just just to
0:09:15 basically say look there's a lot of
0:09:18 sensitivity
0:09:19 you know feminists are very very
0:09:22 sensitive about issues to do with sexism
0:09:25 issues to do it you know patriarchy and
0:09:30 these types of things
0:09:31 however this they're directing their
0:09:37 they sort of anger towards new atheism
0:09:39 which really started off with Richard
0:09:41 Dawkins maybe 15-20 years ago however
0:09:45 shouldn't they really be going for
0:09:51 Darwin because as we're gonna see if
0:09:55 they were upset an elevator gate if they
0:09:58 were upset something so small they
0:10:01 should be going
0:10:03 literally ape on what we're about to
0:10:08 explain about Darwin so here's one of
0:10:11 the things that Darwin said about women
0:10:13 the chief distinction in the
0:10:15 intellectual powers of the two sexes is
0:10:18 shown by man's attaining to a higher
0:10:22 eminence in whatever he takes up then
0:10:25 can woman whether requiring deep thought
0:10:28 reason or imagination or merely the use
0:10:32 of senses and hands so if elevator
0:10:37 if elevator gate got them riled up then
0:10:39 you can imagine what sort of things you
0:10:43 know what sort of emotions are going to
0:10:45 come out when that they start reading
0:10:46 stuff like this if two lists were made
0:10:49 of the most eminent men and women in
0:10:52 poetry painting sculpture music
0:10:54 inclusive both of composition and
0:10:56 performance history science and
0:10:58 philosophy with half a dozen names under
0:11:00 each subject the tool if would bear
0:11:04 would not bear comparison
0:11:07 yeah so he's just giving his thought
0:11:09 experiment look do you make up two lists
0:11:11 and even if we did it today even after
0:11:14 Darwin died if we look at the history of
0:11:16 the world he's trying to point out look
0:11:18 men are superior to women next slide
0:11:22 please
0:11:23 it is generally admitted that with women
0:11:27 the power of intuition by the way
0:11:28 intuition is not a good thing in this
0:11:30 context right for anybody who's aware of
0:11:33 what he means of rapid perception and
0:11:36 perhaps imitation are more strongly
0:11:38 marked than in man but some at least of
0:11:42 these faculties are characteristic of
0:11:44 the lower races and therefore of a past
0:11:47 and lower state of civilization
0:11:49 so again saying you know women they're
0:11:53 basically like more like the savages and
0:11:56 and the men the outside the world the
0:11:59 women they have these types of features
0:12:02 of imitation and these types of things
0:12:05 which are quiet which may puts them
0:12:08 quite down man is powerful in body and
0:12:13 mind and woman and in the savage state
0:12:16 he keeps her in a far more abject state
0:12:19 of bondage than does the male of any
0:12:22 other animal the female however
0:12:25 ultimately assumes certain distinctive
0:12:28 characters and in the formation of her
0:12:31 skull is said to be intermediate between
0:12:34 the child and the man out yeah so if
0:12:39 that elevator gate if that small comment
0:12:43 about oh would you like to go to my
0:12:45 hotel room with me at 4 o'clock in the
0:12:48 morning is that upset darkness I mean if
0:12:51 that upset feminists right you can
0:12:52 imagine a feminist reading this type of
0:12:55 thing and what we have what we're
0:12:58 actually going to see is there's a fight
0:13:00 there's a fight and the fight is between
0:13:03 feminism and the feministic values and
0:13:08 science current understanding of biology
0:13:11 and especially evolutionary psychology
0:13:16 so we have some values right we have
0:13:20 some value
0:13:20 and feminists feminism and you know
0:13:23 feminists they challenge certain things
0:13:26 and they want to promote other things so
0:13:28 of course they're not happy with
0:13:29 patriarchy they're definitely not happy
0:13:31 with gender roles and they're not happy
0:13:34 with toxic masculinity they're not happy
0:13:36 with that they're like you know we don't
0:13:37 we don't like that they want men to act
0:13:40 in a certain way they don't like gender
0:13:41 rules gender roles and they definitely
0:13:44 don't want a male centric structure in
0:13:47 anything
0:13:48 however Darwin described exactly that
0:13:55 that you had ancient man who was the
0:13:58 hunter and the woman was actually the
0:14:00 the gatherer I mean that's what
0:14:01 Darwinism is all about Darwinism it
0:14:04 gives clear gender roles it explains
0:14:06 that there was patriarchy in the past
0:14:08 and her men were actually more
0:14:10 aggressive now again like I mentioned
0:14:13 before we're not saying that somebody
0:14:14 can use that to therefore say therefore
0:14:17 men should act like that because I would
0:14:19 be the naturalistic fallacy however
0:14:21 they're basically pointing out is
0:14:23 biological it's not some social
0:14:25 construct right now Darwin wrote the
0:14:29 dissent of man in 1870 something right I
0:14:33 think 72 Elaine Morgan who was not an
0:14:40 evolutionary academic at all a hundred
0:14:43 years later in the 1970s she to counter
0:14:48 the Descent of Man in from which we got
0:14:51 all those previous quotations she
0:14:53 actually wrote the descent of woman and
0:14:55 this descent of woman was a complete
0:15:00 alternative evolutionary history in
0:15:03 which the man and the woman they're
0:15:06 playing like this sort of equal role
0:15:09 however even though feminists across the
0:15:13 world they laid they love this book this
0:15:15 book was you know a manual for them it
0:15:20 wasn't a scientific book it was just a
0:15:22 feminist lashing out and saying we don't
0:15:24 agree but again this is just values
0:15:27 feministic values against evolutionary
0:15:30 psychology or Darwinism
0:15:32 now it's not just the case that
0:15:35 feministic values totally contradict
0:15:40 what Darwinism says about the nature of
0:15:42 man is also that what Darwinism says
0:15:47 about the nature of man contradicts what
0:15:50 feminists value what feminists actually
0:15:53 want consider some things so the
0:15:57 feminist betty Friedan she said the
0:16:00 house is a comfortable concentration
0:16:02 camp she wanted women to work she wanted
0:16:06 women to do interesting things not just
0:16:08 be a home and just take care of the kids
0:16:10 another prominent feminist Shoeless
0:16:14 Sheila Smith Firestone I can only say
0:16:17 the last thing properly
0:16:18 she said woman would never truly be free
0:16:21 of patriarchy until they were freed from
0:16:25 the yoke of reproduction now that's a
0:16:28 big problem because that's what
0:16:30 Darwinism is about survival and
0:16:32 reproduction Richard Dawkins nosov a
0:16:34 gene he says the highest rationale of
0:16:36 life is survival and reproduction so how
0:16:43 does that make any sense from and are we
0:16:44 in front of you that you have this group
0:16:45 of people who are like you know we want
0:16:47 to be free from the yoke of reproduction
0:16:49 and we don't want to have children we
0:16:50 don't want gender roles and we don't
0:16:52 want to be mothers when how does that
0:16:55 fit with The Selfish Gene idea so you
0:16:56 can see it's not just one side
0:16:58 contradicts the other it's the other
0:16:59 side the the the imperative of Darwinism
0:17:06 the idea the main core of Darwinism the
0:17:09 rationale of life is the preservation of
0:17:10 genes totally contradicts what these
0:17:13 feminists are actually saying and is
0:17:15 actually some the interesting
0:17:21 implication of feministic values being
0:17:23 prevalent in a society here here are the
0:17:27 statistics from 1920 all the way to 1990
0:17:33 you can see the age of women 30 25 20 40
0:17:37 and you can see live births per thousand
0:17:40 women right so you're starting to see a
0:17:43 pattern so we have a
0:17:46 thousand births sorry we have live
0:17:49 births per thousand women and we have
0:17:50 the year the the actual year of birth
0:17:54 these women right so we have 1920 all
0:17:56 the way to 1990 and you can start to see
0:17:59 there's actually a decline they're
0:18:01 actually going down continuously they're
0:18:03 going down what's interesting is what
0:18:07 happened between 1940 and 1950 World War
0:18:13 two World War two you would expect
0:18:18 people to have less children during a
0:18:22 wall then you would during peacetime
0:18:24 like 1980s to 1990s however you you're
0:18:29 seeing a pattern where people are
0:18:31 totally dropping off they actually not
0:18:34 having children so feminism is like
0:18:38 kryptonite feministic values is like
0:18:41 kryptonite to the Darwinian
0:18:42 understanding of life if a society
0:18:45 accepts values that feminism promotes
0:18:48 that society is not actually going to be
0:18:52 a very good model to actually explain
0:18:56 The Selfish Gene view so look why like
0:19:03 is that some feminists some have
0:19:08 realized it's completely ridiculous it's
0:19:12 completely ridiculous to try and fight
0:19:16 off science to try and just challenge it
0:19:19 to try and just say look you know we're
0:19:21 not going to follow we're not going to
0:19:25 accept the standard evolutionary story
0:19:27 we're not going to do this we're not
0:19:29 going to do that we're gonna say there's
0:19:30 a Maya there's a male bias we're gonna
0:19:33 challenge patriarchy in science we're
0:19:34 going to do this we're going to do that
0:19:37 this particular philosopher her name is
0:19:40 great winder Muhsin you can tell she is
0:19:43 German she wrote this paper called
0:19:46 sexual selection a tale of male bias and
0:19:49 feministic denial she said something
0:19:51 very interesting for anyone that's
0:19:52 interested I highly recommend you read
0:19:54 this paper the history of male bias in
0:19:58 Darwinian theory
0:19:59 should not be used by feminists as an
0:20:03 excuse to reject evolutionary premises
0:20:07 that have now been established as
0:20:12 scientifically sound she's basically
0:20:16 trying to tell the feminists look guys
0:20:19 stop fighting science here right now
0:20:22 just as a thought experiment if I come
0:20:28 across a feminist and I say something
0:20:30 and the feminist doesn't like that and
0:20:33 they say I am offended right by saying I
0:20:37 am offended you can change someone's
0:20:39 behavior yeah you can do that and to a
0:20:42 large extent that does actually happen
0:20:44 someone says look I'm offended I'm
0:20:46 offended I don't like this I don't like
0:20:47 that however you can't really change
0:20:50 reality if you say I'm offended that it
0:20:54 was sunrise at 6:55 this morning not
0:20:56 4:00 a.m. that the you being offended
0:21:00 doesn't change the reality not not
0:21:03 saying that Darwinism is reality but the
0:21:05 reality that these are conclusions that
0:21:08 are being made within science you can't
0:21:10 change the mind of a scientist by saying
0:21:13 oh you know I understand that you've
0:21:15 done the experiment you've done this
0:21:17 you've done that but I don't agree with
0:21:19 it but the thing is that scientist is
0:21:23 gonna turn around and say to you look it
0:21:24 doesn't really matter if you agree or
0:21:25 not however she does point out some
0:21:28 interesting things that they there was
0:21:30 of course a male bias in evolutionary
0:21:34 thought which is fine but that doesn't
0:21:36 even if you strip away that bias you
0:21:38 still get down to the to some ideas
0:21:42 which are none which don't fit with
0:21:44 feminism so the idea that men and women
0:21:48 are biologically different they're
0:21:51 genetically different right and they
0:21:54 have different predispositions you can't
0:21:57 really challenge that type of thing
0:21:59 purely by saying I'm offended right
0:22:03 there was another philosopher she
0:22:07 herself as a feminist but she actually
0:22:10 challenged a idea of
0:22:13 a another another theorist about the
0:22:18 theory of moral development how do
0:22:20 morals actually develop and what she
0:22:22 basically did is she challenged that
0:22:24 theory because she said it was sexist
0:22:25 and then she came up with this
0:22:28 particular idea based upon interviews
0:22:30 and based upon her research that women
0:22:34 have a morality of care and men have a
0:22:39 morality of justice and duty and rights
0:22:41 so they approach from different
0:22:44 perspectives so it's like different
0:22:46 voices that you actually hear and a
0:22:50 prominent feminist was criticizing her
0:22:53 and saying no those are just societal
0:22:55 expectations those aren't actually
0:22:57 anything else other than that but then
0:23:00 the problem is you you can't keep doing
0:23:04 that you can't keep okay there are some
0:23:06 values which are being promoted and
0:23:09 those values contradict certain things
0:23:11 that scientists are saying you don't
0:23:13 actually like those values so you're
0:23:15 gonna turn around and say not gonna have
0:23:17 that so you can't actually have it that
0:23:20 way Emma Thompson she is a famous
0:23:24 feminist she calls herself a radical
0:23:27 feminist and she said this very
0:23:30 interesting statement she said I am an
0:23:33 atheist because religions oppress many
0:23:36 women I regard religion with fear and
0:23:40 suspicion it's not enough to say I don't
0:23:44 believe in God I actually regard the
0:23:48 system as distressing I am offended by
0:23:52 some of the things said in the Bible and
0:23:55 the Quran and I refute them and this is
0:23:58 a standard understanding of feminists
0:24:01 right I don't like what you're saying
0:24:04 so I disagree with it and I'm gonna
0:24:06 spend my life refuting it and look I am
0:24:10 an atheist because religions oppress
0:24:11 women I mean what but that even if you
0:24:16 even if you actually think about that
0:24:17 statement right firstly oppress is that
0:24:22 based upon the actual scripture is that
0:24:24 based upon people's interpretations but
0:24:26 either way
0:24:27 being an atheist because you don't like
0:24:29 certain things and in look you can
0:24:31 actually find this in the Quran in the
0:24:33 Quran I mentioned certain things which
0:24:35 some feminists may not like but that
0:24:37 doesn't mean it's you turn around and
0:24:39 say I'm actually an atheist now Emma
0:24:42 Thomason although she calls herself a
0:24:43 radical feminist and by the way there's
0:24:45 many different types is radical Marxist
0:24:50 liberal yes fantastic liberal feminist
0:24:53 you also have first wave second wave
0:24:55 third wave God knows Muhammad ajob
0:24:57 recently his book fifth wave feminism
0:25:00 right but the problem is that the
0:25:05 average feminist that you see on the
0:25:07 street they have no idea no idea about
0:25:10 what Darwin said about women about and
0:25:13 remember Darwin's not just reflecting
0:25:15 Victorian values you can't make that
0:25:19 argument but in the descent of man he's
0:25:21 basically arguing using his theory that
0:25:25 women are inferior physically mentally
0:25:28 psychologically and in other ways so
0:25:31 anyway let's take the statement of hers
0:25:33 and let's see her reaction if she wants
0:25:37 to be consistent if Emma Thompson
0:25:39 actually read the dissent of man as
0:25:41 opposed to the Quran and the Bible and
0:25:44 felt insulted so I'm going to flip this
0:25:48 statement I am a creationist because
0:25:52 Darwinism makes women inferior I regard
0:25:55 Darwinism with fear and suspicion it's
0:25:57 not enough to say I don't believe in
0:25:59 evolution
0:26:00 I actually regard the system is
0:26:02 distressing I am offended by some of the
0:26:04 things said in Darwinism and I refute
0:26:07 them at the bottom they wrote not Emma
0:26:10 Thompson because I have this this
0:26:13 tendency to attract militant atheists
0:26:16 who are always trying to say you
0:26:17 misquote you someone's I just put it
0:26:19 down there that's not Emma Thompson who
0:26:20 says that but if she is to be consistent
0:26:22 and she read the dissent of man she
0:26:25 would recognize that's actually what she
0:26:28 needs to say right she as she needs to
0:26:30 say something along those lines
0:26:34 next slide please so where are we right
0:26:37 it's a dead end for
0:26:39 because if they are going to be like oh
0:26:42 what we're going to do is we are
0:26:45 actually going to go ahead and challenge
0:26:51 religion challenge the Quran challenge
0:26:53 the Bible because they say things we
0:26:55 don't like we're gonna do that oh
0:26:58 they're gonna say ok what we're gonna do
0:27:01 is that we're just going to have a
0:27:02 scientific worldview however
0:27:04 contemporary science evolutionary
0:27:07 psychology is it says many many things
0:27:12 which do not fit with feministic values
0:27:14 so they can't go down and follow
0:27:17 religion they can't go down and really
0:27:19 follow
0:27:19 Domon ism although they've there some
0:27:22 were trying to fix that they really are
0:27:25 dead end now one of the things that
0:27:27 they're trying to do is they're trying
0:27:30 to promote this new idea of buy it buy
0:27:35 new I mean maybe a few decades old right
0:27:38 and if the idea of female epistemology
0:27:43 female theory of knowledge right and
0:27:46 they want to infuse feminine values
0:27:52 sorry feministic values within science
0:27:55 they actually want to infuse it with in
0:27:57 science and they have different
0:28:00 different types of epistemology so they
0:28:03 have post-modernism they have feministic
0:28:10 empiricism right and there was another
0:28:13 one that they actually have so
0:28:15 post-modernism oh yeah standpoint or
0:28:20 something right viewpoint standpoint
0:28:22 something like this so they had these
0:28:23 three different ways of looking at the
0:28:25 problem so they want to infuse
0:28:29 feministic values within evolutionary
0:28:32 science however they the counter and
0:28:36 there's a resistance to that problem and
0:28:38 the resistance is this so you want to
0:28:43 infuse these values within actually
0:28:47 science and you want to do them because
0:28:50 there is a male bias which your
0:28:52 saying is is affecting the scientific
0:28:56 method but then the obvious thing that
0:29:00 some philosophers can say is hang on a
0:29:03 second if you want to challenge male
0:29:08 bias shouldn't you just be using the
0:29:10 scientific method itself because the
0:29:12 scientific method all that matters is
0:29:14 the relationship between evidence and
0:29:17 your theory and the logical relationship
0:29:20 between the two and science is supposed
0:29:23 to be a system that is supposed to
0:29:24 filter out biases whether they are
0:29:26 sexiest racist or you know whatever type
0:29:31 of biases they are so that's the first
0:29:33 issue the second issue is if you wanna
0:29:35 challenge male bias how are you gonna
0:29:39 challenge it
0:29:40 how you gonna challenge it using female
0:29:41 bias right so if you wanna challenge the
0:29:45 fact that they may be implicit male
0:29:48 centric and row centric values within
0:29:50 science how you gonna get rid of the
0:29:52 problem by chucking in mobius you're
0:29:55 just adding fuel to the fire yeah she
0:29:57 gets worse and there's a third response
0:29:59 which is there's a difference between in
0:30:04 philosophy of science the discovery
0:30:10 justification though in the context of
0:30:13 discovery and the justification of the
0:30:17 actual theory so the way that you
0:30:19 actually discover the theory the origin
0:30:22 of the theory is different to the
0:30:24 justification of the theory for example
0:30:28 a scientist they may see a problem that
0:30:32 they were trying to solve and they
0:30:33 couldn't really solve it and this
0:30:35 actually has happened in the past they
0:30:37 went to sleep at night and they saw a
0:30:38 dream and in the dream they actually saw
0:30:41 the solution to the problem all right
0:30:43 and then they went out they tested it
0:30:46 and they discovered it was right if
0:30:48 somebody turns around and says right
0:30:50 that's totally false
0:30:52 how can you see in a dream that this
0:30:54 came oh you did something else and you
0:30:58 you came across the solution which
0:30:59 happened to be correct the origin of the
0:31:05 the origin the discovery of the actual
0:31:08 hypothesis and then the testing of and
0:31:09 the justification of a these two things
0:31:11 are linked that would be a type of
0:31:15 genetic fallacy genetic fallacy right so
0:31:19 I'm a Discoverer I may be a child I may
0:31:21 discover the existence of Big Bang
0:31:24 Theory as a valid scientific model by
0:31:28 reading a comic I can do that but that
0:31:30 doesn't mean that therefore I cannot
0:31:32 believe in it because I happen to read
0:31:34 it in a magazine so the justification
0:31:37 that the discovery origin and the
0:31:40 justification are two different things
0:31:41 so even if Darwin happened to be born in
0:31:47 Victorian times and those times were
0:31:50 times that were male centric it doesn't
0:31:52 mean that the hypotheses which are now
0:31:56 accepted within evolutionary psychology
0:31:58 about the fact that you had a male
0:32:01 centric structure with men being the
0:32:04 hunters and you had this type of
0:32:06 patriarchy and you had gender roles and
0:32:08 men were aggressive it doesn't mean that
0:32:11 that is false
0:32:12 simply because Darwin may have been
0:32:14 shaped by his his actual time and that's
0:32:18 why if you just go back back once more
0:32:21 once more once more that's why this
0:32:26 particular feminist who is a philosopher
0:32:29 and she's challenging the other
0:32:31 feminists her paper sexual selection at
0:32:34 home a tale of male bias and feministic
0:32:36 denial she actually challenges both
0:32:38 sides
0:32:39 she actually strips evolutionary
0:32:41 psychology or tries to explain about
0:32:43 male bias and get it tries to challenge
0:32:45 that and then also female denial but
0:32:48 you'll still even if you get rid of male
0:32:50 bias you still may be left and you are
0:32:53 left with certain things that don't fit
0:32:56 feministic values all the way just here
0:32:58 so the the failed coup of female
0:33:05 epistemology is not something that's
0:33:08 going to work it's not going to work
0:33:10 because there's very good reasons why we
0:33:15 shouldn't infuse feministic values
0:33:18 within science imagine if we actually
0:33:20 started doing that if we actually
0:33:22 started accepting this worldview where
0:33:25 we said do you know what if they are
0:33:27 values which are accepted then we are
0:33:31 going to take these values and then
0:33:33 we're going to start sticking them
0:33:34 within science this is actually
0:33:37 something that happened with the Soviet
0:33:39 Union
0:33:39 right the Soviet Union they held on to a
0:33:43 communist worldview right and that
0:33:46 communist worldview that made them
0:33:50 accept and reject certain scientific
0:33:52 hypotheses right and that's shaped and
0:33:56 that's just we human values a value does
0:33:58 actually play a role within science even
0:34:01 though we want it to be a perspective
0:34:03 less perspective they still do now if
0:34:06 you openly and while we're trying to
0:34:08 neutralize science which is very
0:34:11 difficult to do almost impossible while
0:34:13 they're trying neutralize science if we
0:34:16 accept the feministic idea of let's just
0:34:19 chuck in some values then some Muslims
0:34:22 can turn around and say I want some
0:34:23 Islamic values in science a Christian
0:34:25 can turn around say I want some
0:34:26 Christian values in fact here's the
0:34:28 funny thing
0:34:29 memin ism which you guys might have
0:34:31 heard of which is the opposite of Eman
0:34:33 ISM right meh - they believe that the
0:34:37 opposite feminism they believe that
0:34:38 throughout history women have been
0:34:40 oppressing men right and women are
0:34:44 basically you know when when the Titanic
0:34:48 is sinking they say women and children
0:34:50 first when the war happens the men go on
0:34:53 and die while the women are home so you
0:34:55 know they have this argument so memnos
0:34:58 may say well we want to infuse our
0:35:00 values within evolutionary science
0:35:03 because we think it's you know female
0:35:05 centric so once you open that door it's
0:35:08 just it's just chaos it's like a Royal
0:35:11 Rumble it's like a Hobbesian wall and we
0:35:13 can't really do that but here's a
0:35:16 beautiful thing here's a beautiful thing
0:35:18 we don't need we don't need a wall
0:35:23 between the sexes we don't need this
0:35:26 idea that a female says okay a man is
0:35:29 doing this so I want to do that or a man
0:35:31 looks at
0:35:31 says she's doing the song wanna do that
0:35:33 and you have this constant weighing okay
0:35:36 he's better than her and she's better
0:35:38 than him and this and this and this the
0:35:40 Quran breaks that paradigm you know
0:35:42 Allah breaks that paradigm how cuz a las
0:35:47 version of success is not the version of
0:35:51 success that you get in a capitalistic
0:35:52 society
0:35:53 oh she's better than her and he's better
0:35:56 than him because she has more money she
0:35:58 has a bigger following on Instagram or
0:36:00 this and that no Allah says something
0:36:02 beautiful in the Quran whoever does good
0:36:06 whether male or female and is a believer
0:36:11 we will surely bless them with a good
0:36:15 life and we will certainly reward them
0:36:18 according to the best of their deeds
0:36:22 so the previous slide it was nowhere to
0:36:25 go for feminists from that perspective
0:36:27 right the road was blocked from either
0:36:29 way and you know rather than rejecting
0:36:33 science rather than rejecting these
0:36:35 things they could just accept those
0:36:37 things as working models but just they
0:36:40 they would not have to feel inferior all
0:36:44 that they would need to recognize is
0:36:45 that the purpose of life will or degree
0:36:48 I mean even even some of the feminists
0:36:50 would agree is not surviving a
0:36:51 reproduction which is you know the
0:36:53 Darwinian sort of rationale of life and
0:36:56 it's not okay I want to be better than
0:36:59 that person because they have a bigger
0:37:01 house a better-looking husband or
0:37:03 whatever right no if actually got to do
0:37:05 with something great it's got to do with
0:37:08 spirituality a spiritual woman is a
0:37:12 woman who has value and it's not just a
0:37:15 case of oh she doesn't have a job she
0:37:16 doesn't have this she doesn't have that
0:37:18 therefore she has no particular value
0:37:21 and the beautiful thing about the
0:37:22 Quranic paradigm is that the Quran it
0:37:26 doesn't accept the paradigms of society
0:37:31 he actually challenges paradigms and it
0:37:35 tries to show that this particular
0:37:38 paradigm is actually going to make you
0:37:41 happy and what's powerful about this
0:37:44 particular
0:37:45 a paradigm of the Quran is the Quran
0:37:48 doesn't want this battle right between
0:37:51 men and women the Quran explains a
0:37:55 symbiotic symbiotic beautiful synergy
0:38:00 dovetailing between the male and the
0:38:02 female it's no longer a war yeah and if
0:38:06 there is a race if there is a race that
0:38:09 race is in who can gain the most good
0:38:13 deeds that's the competition the
0:38:16 competition isn't for these material
0:38:18 worldly things so that's what I wanted
0:38:21 to say jazakallah khair for listening
0:38:22 everything good I have said is from
0:38:24 Allah every mistake is from myself
0:38:26 jaeseok Locker