Firm Feminists Change Mind After Debate (2017-10-16) ​

0:00:21 simply because why the looks of it from
0:00:24 a new perspective not as interested in
0:00:26 debates why are we more interested a
0:00:34 makeup more interested in robots no
0:00:44 reason why I'm a moisture social
0:00:50 construction or is it something that it
0:00:52 partially is like some culture I think
0:00:57 in some cultures women don't have
0:01:07 don't know about cultures where they are
0:01:10 part of debates that I did partially
0:01:14 like their disinterest is partially the
0:01:17 fault of the society that they grew up
0:01:39 that's the case this is a natural
0:01:42 reflection of who wants to do like maybe
0:01:51 some people uncomfortable about certain
0:01:55 things due to the way that was society's
0:01:57 chocolate I think you know what the same
0:02:05 country
0:02:10 can I get something allow me to
0:02:13 speculate I mean I'm not really a as a
0:02:24 result of a feministic narrative which
0:02:28 were blood yeah so feminism is an
0:02:33 ideology which forces want to think
0:02:35 about lack of equality in every single
0:02:38 segment of society so here in speaker's
0:02:41 corner a place where there's no
0:02:43 discussion there's no disagreement that
0:02:47 there's equal opportunities yeah there's
0:02:49 no discrimination in terms of the
0:02:51 population here the demographically no
0:02:54 one is saying for there's no one can
0:02:56 argue that women are not allowed in or
0:02:58 that they're not allowed these
0:02:59 opportunities why even in a place like
0:03:00 this you communist it is not as much
0:03:01 women and there's the fault of this
0:03:03 person before that person I'm just
0:03:05 saying that this is where it becomes
0:03:07 ridiculous in my opinion why because the
0:03:10 feminists ignore it
0:03:12 well if I'm a second heretic when it
0:03:14 gets to this level of insinuating that
0:03:17 every every inequality between male and
0:03:22 female is a result of social pressure
0:03:25 resolve the institution or result of men
0:03:29 even with males for somehow maybe
0:03:32 they're doing something that you know
0:03:34 they're not allowing women to progress
0:03:36 when that happens it becomes fight
0:03:38 ridiculous so here I say sometimes we
0:03:42 have to this is my proposition there are
0:03:45 some fields
0:03:47 there are some fields in humans
0:03:50 economy yeah in any given society
0:03:54 whereby men dominates that profession I
0:03:58 was just reading on BBC that women
0:04:00 dominate Madhuri there's this guy he's a
0:04:03 BBC right now this guy he came in he
0:04:07 wanted to be a midwife yeah a midwife
0:04:09 was the guy who takes me you know care
0:04:11 of pregnant women and the delivery of
0:04:13 the baby and then afterwards yeah
0:04:16 women don't demand it and sometimes they
0:04:19 reject it so in other words the consumer
0:04:22 here which is a woman because only a
0:04:24 woman can be pregnant and give birth
0:04:25 they don't want this for the most part
0:04:28 they don't feel comfortable with this
0:04:29 yeah now the feminist movement has not
0:04:32 said anything about and not said well
0:04:35 done we want we want equality in
0:04:37 mid-missouri
0:04:39 that's not really their reason to be
0:04:42 there I mean the feminist part really
0:04:44 has the same
0:04:47 yeah about issues because they have like
0:04:50 a like a wave like it's the same thing
0:04:53 you cannot the connect movement to to
0:04:56 about the DVD child it's less to do with
0:05:01 intellectual equality and like as more
0:05:04 to do with biology and if a man was
0:05:07 having like a testicular examination he
0:05:10 would probably also want someone
0:05:14 now thank you very much that's that's
0:05:16 good I agree with that of academic like
0:05:24 intellect and that our intellect base
0:05:26 and just
0:05:30 yeah I did oh you mean I think you made
0:05:32 a really really good point yeah both of
0:05:34 you made really good points I agree with
0:05:35 your point Jeff what one the situation
0:05:38 is this
0:05:41 this firmness would actually argue that
0:05:45 there should be absolute equality
0:05:47 between men aware what absolute absolute
0:05:50 equality entails is literally every
0:05:53 social political and economic factor is
0:05:57 equalized to the nth degree so
0:05:59 everything is perfect I say no we should
0:06:03 potentially have a general equality yeah
0:06:06 well not an absolute equality because
0:06:07 when you start speaking about absolute
0:06:09 equality then these examples of males
0:06:12 wanting to be examined by another male
0:06:14 available particular cancer whatever may
0:06:17 be or woman wanting to be examined by
0:06:19 another woman when it comes to giving a
0:06:21 verse or in mid-missouri or whatever
0:06:23 those arguments can't be made but me and
0:06:25 you both can see you see the value in
0:06:28 those arguments in other words the
0:06:29 feminist premise is false
0:06:33 it's true that a lot of feminists argue
0:06:35 for absolutely polity back yes Nolan or
0:06:38 I think that's also like that used to be
0:06:41 more in the old like in the 70s that's
0:06:44 what they wanted but now something I
0:06:49 read recently a very simple is their
0:06:50 family's book by magazi I thought you
0:06:55 know a taffetta Ted Ted talk speech
0:06:57 right and it's for fourteen points of
0:06:59 Communist Manifesto some tonight
0:07:02 fifteen points or 14 I remember number
0:07:06 one point that she made was that you
0:07:08 matter equally no matter what that's
0:07:10 what she said no matter what no ifs no
0:07:12 buts so in other words the way I've
0:07:15 interpreted her first point and her
0:07:17 so-called terminus manifesto is to
0:07:19 suggest that there should be an absolute
0:07:21 equality now if we're in turn this is
0:07:23 not the seventies movement or the second
0:07:25 wave feminism this is you know three
0:07:28 first century feminism I'm saying that
0:07:29 if we want to make those arguments that
0:07:32 we've made today we should we should
0:07:33 actually say we need to revise the
0:07:35 feminist premise because every time now
0:07:38 we ask question do you have to go on our
0:07:39 feminist glasses and ask the question
0:07:42 before we do so one thing is that the
0:07:44 glasses have a have a skewed in other
0:07:50 words they skew your thinking to a
0:07:52 certain direction they magnify certain
0:07:54 things we should not be magnified and
0:07:55 they reduce sentence we should not be
0:07:57 reduced because this mug would my point
0:08:00 I think that you're saying that
0:08:05 because much of the feminist movement is
0:08:08 not really in the institutions somehow
0:08:11 they have entered the most the
0:08:18 high-class line mr. oh yeah
0:08:20 have allowed them to be like Dettol
0:08:24 really hot I mean you can't really talk
0:08:27 about the quality and and see what is
0:08:32 biologically linked to the women and
0:08:35 what is not and what is those opposed
0:08:41 down in America in the demographical
0:08:43 perspective were 85 percent of women
0:08:46 disassociated with the feminist movement
0:08:48 so from the demographic perspective I
0:08:50 don't think that people are feminists by
0:08:52 Lodge but the point of our institution
0:08:54 has definitely changed Semitism Kennedy
0:08:59 and Johnson right America they actually
0:09:03 put her law equality legislation 96 a
0:09:06 few nights until Joe Johnson drains it
0:09:10 was a range of legislation I was before
0:09:11 and continue to purport in this country
0:09:13 1998 equality act another so these
0:09:19 things are influenced by the public
0:09:21 school who can say they're not and I
0:09:23 think that there is a reason for it to
0:09:25 be in place not saying it's a bad thing
0:09:27 actually that's a bad thing why I'm
0:09:29 saying is that when we start insisting
0:09:31 on equality on every big and small thing
0:09:34 we start to fall into problems when we
0:09:37 start going into the nuances on society
0:09:39 like things like memory you need to get
0:09:45 over the bigger issues first or like
0:09:47 equality of pay and things that are
0:09:50 still a huge problem before they will
0:09:53 pay the problem yes somehow you need to
0:09:58 give it up to the so where is the
0:10:04 quality of problem where is that problem
0:10:06 in America in Germany in Germany has
0:10:08 also on how ordinal all of you come to
0:10:10 that conclusion so I know America
0:10:13 actually forced a lot of companies in
0:10:16 Germany to start hiring more women into
0:10:18 CEO positions and it was not enforced
0:10:22 enough and so even by the end of the
0:10:24 year there were less women in the CEO
0:10:26 positions than there by law should have
0:10:29 been
0:10:32 well I want to tell you is that there's
0:10:33 an interesting book there's two books at
0:10:36 this guy's written which I actually
0:10:37 recommend him there is worried feral
0:10:39 warfare in something like this between
0:10:42 the elves and
0:10:43 he wrote one book called the myth of
0:10:45 male power and he wrote another book
0:10:47 about pain but he was really very strong
0:10:52 in his analysis I believe he was talking
0:10:54 about the American context but it's also
0:10:55 the Western context what he said is that
0:10:58 basically the wage the gender wage gap
0:11:01 because of his muscle you why he says
0:11:03 that he says that when we compare men
0:11:05 and women's pain we compare like for
0:11:08 like so for example we literally look in
0:11:10 every given sector
0:11:17 we look at every given sector for things
0:11:20 like we look at what an engineer woman
0:11:24 is making compared to an engineer man
0:11:26 what engineer what a doctor woman is
0:11:28 making professor was up to man is big
0:11:30 and we look at the means of those few
0:11:32 things for the man so what he says is
0:11:40 that though he says eleven reasons why
0:11:43 actually men don't make more than women
0:11:46 he says one of them is the fact that men
0:11:47 decide to continue in what occupation
0:11:50 whereas women take maternity leave in
0:11:52 other words the experience of a man is
0:11:54 more than the experience of a woman
0:11:55 where the analysis is fair is diffic a
0:11:58 shoes and experience are the same for
0:12:00 example if I have the same
0:12:02 qualifications as you and I get a job
0:12:05 and you don't get a job I got the same
0:12:07 experiences use and that's a problem
0:12:09 that's one that's one thing the other
0:12:11 point is part-time and full-time
0:12:12 occupation to a woman choose to go on
0:12:14 part-time more often than men a third
0:12:17 thing is men decide to go to other
0:12:19 countries and other localities whereby
0:12:21 there's more traveling because for some
0:12:23 reason men generally like to travel more
0:12:25 for work for men like to do or men have
0:12:29 shown perspective to be able to work in
0:12:33 what they do survive
0:12:34 there's 11 of those I'm not going to go
0:12:35 through them but basically he goes and
0:12:38 in a lot of jobs you don't necessarily
0:12:40 enter a dangerous environment so like
0:12:43 for construction workers it's completely
0:12:45 understandable that you're a doctor like
0:12:47 you said yeah except it so we have to
0:12:50 also apply the other logic now an
0:12:52 interesting point to know is as follows
0:12:54 there's a difference and this is a
0:12:55 really powerful point that he made to
0:12:57 think about it he said there's a
0:12:59 difference between
0:13:01 next gross earnings and net spending
0:13:05 capacity okay now let me tell you what
0:13:08 we mean in most countries and most
0:13:10 civilizations and especially now even in
0:13:12 the West even in the West the second
0:13:15 time this second wave feminist movement
0:13:18 even after that we find that basically
0:13:22 men have to spend for their family
0:13:25 that's usually as a trend yeah they have
0:13:27 children they're more expected they're
0:13:29 socialized to do that now if that's the
0:13:33 case what what what Farrell was able to
0:13:36 show us and his endnotes of his book the
0:13:38 myth of her power is that when we
0:13:40 compare male and female male and female
0:13:44 spending power
0:13:45 we notice that male spending power from
0:13:48 he wrote his first book in 97 I think in
0:13:51 the second one available 2008 the same
0:13:53 book one or two editions and I think the
0:13:56 first edition you said that basically
0:13:59 woman made on average had an average
0:14:02 spending capacity of 10,000 dollars not
0:14:05 money that they make for money that they
0:14:07 can spend a year banning men made 10,000
0:14:11 women made 14,000 in other words woman
0:14:14 have women have more net spending
0:14:17 capacity than men according to this
0:14:19 study that his purport therefore we have
0:14:23 to be holistic in our economic analysis
0:14:25 I think that really the people that push
0:14:27 forward this whole gender pay disparity
0:14:31 thing people who have a disfluency real
0:14:35 at rebuilding schools a hard time
0:14:36 understanding economics
0:14:39 but if you if you like look at the
0:14:42 spending again on another level women
0:14:44 buying must've food for the household
0:14:46 because they're expected to be cooks and
0:14:49 things like that or they have we say
0:14:57 that men have been in most cultures in
0:14:59 societies have been socialized feeling
0:15:02 that they have to pay for the more and
0:15:05 more women are also contributing to the
0:15:07 household yeah I'm saying that's not
0:15:09 happening definitely the Western world
0:15:10 has somebody now when we go east that's
0:15:13 happening less and less and this is
0:15:14 where the problem is I love people say
0:15:16 that well look at the other parts of the
0:15:18 world ok Africa look at Asia China
0:15:20 places
0:15:39 so yeah point to you know and most of us
0:15:43 wanna make this point and most of the
0:15:45 permanent analyses that I've come across
0:15:47 I've always seen them and this is what
0:15:49 similar what others have said devotee
0:15:52 Baba Covenant will report
0:15:57 feminine mystique and all of these books
0:15:59 which are the seminal works talking
0:16:01 about Mike no line of books or radical
0:16:05 books about mainstream feminist book the
0:16:08 boy
0:16:08 the majority of them which I've read
0:16:10 always make this comparison which makes
0:16:12 me quite angry actually you know what
0:16:15 comparison is the makes comparison
0:16:17 between these women and stay please
0:16:19 basic obscene effects Simone de Beauvoir
0:16:22 actually goes as far as talk about black
0:16:24 slave now why does that make the upset
0:16:29 because actually
0:16:31 the meeting and demoralizing clothes
0:16:37 black people they were forced and then
0:16:40 they were whipped
0:16:41 they were raped things that don't happen
0:16:43 to women on a regular basis I'm sorry
0:16:46 they just don't we're gonna don't get
0:16:47 ripped either ways that black people
0:16:49 were whipped don't get killed they don't
0:16:50 get separated a family a child she's
0:17:01 engaged a marriage
0:17:02 I wonder what find a way if you look at
0:17:04 one of my interviews online in French
0:17:06 much translated into English yeah that
0:17:08 interview she says that she's against
0:17:12 Mary she was never married before she's
0:17:14 actually she believes that she's got a
0:17:15 chapter in a book for marriage she talks
0:17:18 about how marriage is an impressive
0:17:19 institution and she's never been married
0:17:22 and she feels this liberating to never
0:17:24 get married like this women continue to
0:17:26 get anyway one thing is this
0:17:31 not only is it demoralizing but if there
0:17:33 was going to be any kind of analysis
0:17:35 between slave and someone in the
0:17:39 household that would have to be the man
0:17:40 especially in the eastern world let me
0:17:42 explain myself
0:17:42 let me explain so we're talking about
0:17:44 muscle if you will if we now transport
0:17:49 ourselves when London speakers corner we
0:17:52 go into a transportation machine or go
0:17:54 to a plane and we're going to go - I
0:17:56 don't know Kenya one of the African
0:17:59 country swaps are in African countries
0:18:00 Kenya let's go somewhere deeper Zimbabwe
0:18:03 yeah go to any of those countries you'll
0:18:07 find small Congo Congo is a good example
0:18:09 yeah especially in some areas
0:18:12 go to Congo you'll find smooth men small
0:18:15 boys actually the age of seven years of
0:18:18 tying the world of work where you know
0:18:20 here that have you know yet three or
0:18:23 something for those kids here in the
0:18:26 Congo they have to start mining yeah
0:18:28 those those kids that start mining at
0:18:32 the age of seven and continue doing so
0:18:33 until they're 47 we're in Congo I think
0:18:37 their life expectancy is 50 or something
0:18:38 one of the lowest in the world
0:18:42 think about it to feed his family that
0:18:45 person has to go to different villages
0:18:47 and fetch different places I don't
0:18:49 consider that bus depressing his wife
0:18:54 that guy he is the slave owner and the
0:18:57 woman in his house with this name I say
0:19:00 if there's any slave is him they might
0:19:04 have some privileges I mean what the
0:19:15 David can receive always what Hyundai
0:19:18 perspective there
0:19:19 that women to be with them four hours a
0:19:24 day or something yeah
0:19:25 well 13 14 let's be perfect I mean sorry
0:19:27 the but not on the field but what I'm
0:19:34 saying is that's the pop yes you're
0:19:36 right but let me be a double dad okay
0:19:38 for a bit
0:19:38 the older is working at the household
0:19:40 she's safe with him he's a he's a higher
0:19:42 risk of death he has a lower life
0:19:45 expectancy he has a higher risk of
0:19:47 getting diseases he has a higher risk of
0:19:49 getting killed by one of the militias
0:19:51 and in Congo the appellations so when
0:19:53 they say and the news my friend the way
0:19:56 the wage gap yeah look at the wage gap
0:19:59 you have such a problem with you're born
0:20:00 a woman
0:20:00 it's ridiculous to talk about that in
0:20:02 the West but it's even more ridiculous
0:20:04 to talk about that in the east and in
0:20:05 African countries why because in those
0:20:07 countries men have more money by virtue
0:20:10 of the fact that they need to to feed
0:20:12 their families and they do that what
0:20:14 have you looked at economic indicators
0:20:15 and you listen to coming to speak on the
0:20:18 face of it if you're one-dimensional
0:20:19 you'll think wow what a disparity why
0:20:21 call it wide equality we live in what
0:20:23 your oppression we have but when you
0:20:25 think about why the question why the
0:20:27 all-important question wise we come to
0:20:29 many different conclusions will show us
0:20:31 like men have not being the oppressors
0:20:34 and the gangsters under you know but
0:20:40 they have been part of a system of
0:20:42 socialization which meant that they have
0:20:44 now been also expected
0:20:52 standpoint
0:20:55 it's hardly something I'm sorry by the
0:21:04 way sometimes I start so can I get a big
0:21:06 passion gonna say this
0:21:14 I know it's difficult what about talking
0:21:17 about let me tell you what
0:21:20 it's difficult to break away from wait
0:21:24 for a post enlightenment we could even
0:21:27 call it let's be honest a post-colonial
0:21:28 mentality
0:21:29 what do I mean by that the ideas of the
0:21:32 Western world are so ingrained into our
0:21:34 psyche that when we want me to drop
0:21:37 morality feminism racism this stuff some
0:21:43 of it is completely right we'll
0:21:45 completely against racism we don't we
0:21:47 believe in a general equality between
0:21:48 men a woman right but you have to start
0:21:51 being more critical yeah I think I'll be
0:21:55 honest with you the Western world is
0:21:56 arrogant now why because after the Cold
0:22:00 War and you know more about this after
0:22:07 91 listen tonight onwards yeah there's a
0:22:10 superpower in the world there's a huge
0:22:13 Avenue the American hegemony yeah that
0:22:16 superpower has taken the ideas from the
0:22:19 arrival period and is now pumping them
0:22:21 to the rest of the world
0:22:23 that's almost I don't see why people
0:22:25 should be arrogant about the fact that
0:22:27 there's a super-powerful United America
0:22:28 why if the history is the shortest lived
0:22:32 so far youngest super powers ever live
0:22:35 empires that look at empires that have
0:22:38 lived in the past look at for example
0:22:40 the monkeys look at the Ottoman Empire
0:22:43 for 1453 it's just another Empire 25
0:22:51 years and now America thinks has got
0:22:53 everything right and the West things has
0:22:55 got everything right all of its ideas
0:22:57 are the ultimate truth and all of the
0:22:59 other ideas are not right what we have
0:23:03 to do is we have to be more critical
0:23:04 than that just because America is
0:23:05 experiencing its turn as the world
0:23:08 empire it doesn't mean to say that it's
0:23:10 ideologies and the ideologies are far
0:23:12 from it that much from it are the
0:23:15 correct ideologies we have to think
0:23:16 people in there
0:23:19 I'm actually I guess some ideologist
0:23:21 coming somebody else yeah but I think
0:23:24 that actually you
0:23:27 the feminist view you get to realize
0:23:30 that there's no only one way of feminism
0:23:32 yes liberal feminism there are lots of
0:23:37 different
0:23:40 I know talking about what we're talking
0:23:43 about we're talking about
0:23:45 I think that you're right about the
0:23:48 things of a
0:23:50 the men are the ones will usually go to
0:23:53 the
0:23:55 the most dangerous somehow some feminist
0:24:00 movements they are trying to deal with
0:24:02 that I mean to end with those
0:24:04 relationships I know that the posterity
0:24:08 what that was a to the planter Kate is
0:24:10 not always beautiful but why is it that
0:24:20 you're not I mean why is it that you're
0:24:23 not comfortable talking about feminism
0:24:26 if they are trying to end up with those
0:24:28 relations I mean they are in the same
0:24:30 comfortable joints I mean I like why
0:24:33 don't you join the feminism
0:24:35 in that way tell you why because I don't
0:24:38 agree with the narrative women's rights
0:24:45 I'm a hundred percent for that yeah I'll
0:24:48 talk about that way what does like
0:24:50 women's rights include for you
0:24:54 feminism does not have the monopoly on
0:24:57 who is right there is a panoply of
0:25:00 different systems out there ideology is
0:25:02 all of which you can't discount the
0:25:08 fight for women's rights just because
0:25:11 feminism it is a it isn't a perfect
0:25:14 narrative and it has a lot of problems
0:25:16 like you said like discounting men's
0:25:19 rights in that whole debate as well and
0:25:23 so yeah I'm not saying over ISM is wrong
0:25:25 but I'm just saying that the parts I
0:25:27 disagree with once you're in our van
0:25:30 I've outlined them to see what I mean
0:25:32 yes but that point that you made about
0:25:34 patriarchy patriarchy because the thing
0:25:38 is this
0:25:40 if you don't go to the city here yeah
0:25:42 he's lucky central ECM
0:25:46 go we go to the sea we meet one of the
0:25:50 corporate bosses who say to the cuckoo
0:25:53 boss how many people are you managing
0:26:00 how many people are you managing he says
0:26:04 in 2008 I was my 2007 I was managing
0:26:08 four people or three people now I'm
0:26:11 managing eight people would you agree
0:26:13 that that's an increase in that managers
0:26:15 power
0:26:19 would you say that now he's managing
0:26:20 more people therefore his power has
0:26:22 increased would you say though his power
0:26:23 stayed the same
0:26:29 I'm saying if you go to a if you go to
0:26:31 them if you go to now a corporation yeah
0:26:35 yes you go to one of the bosses there
0:26:39 and you ask him how many people were you
0:26:41 managing 2008 ours managing four people
0:26:47 17 I'm managing a people who do not
0:26:50 release a therefore his influence has
0:26:53 increased his powers company now if I
0:27:14 say this woman has to changing 2008 from
0:27:20 2018
0:27:22 she has six children
0:27:26 I mean
0:27:31 so you're saying no but you see why is
0:27:34 there a difference well a manager can
0:27:42 tell people his people what to do he
0:27:44 doesn't have to train them who doesn't
0:27:46 have to live other consulate children
0:27:47 what to do yes but at the same time she
0:27:49 has to make sure that all of their needs
0:27:51 are satisfied about a job
0:27:53 no she doesn't have to you just have to
0:27:55 make sure that they stay fed and for
0:27:58 them different roles and
0:28:01 responsibilities are different yeah
0:28:02 the nature of the job is different
0:28:04 however the idea of responsibility has
0:28:07 stayed the same
0:28:08 we go now to an old person's home
0:28:10 hopeful to ask the person who's working
0:28:13 the manager how many old people are you
0:28:15 looking after there's four people I have
0:28:18 responsibilities or four people now it's
0:28:20 increased in say eight people
0:28:21 the same Keukenhof same thing this now
0:28:25 you can bring in the same kinds of
0:28:27 responsibilities the responsibilities
0:28:29 relationships not
0:28:32 somehow the workers feel that their it's
0:28:36 their responsibility to to make this
0:28:39 company grow up and the mother is the
0:28:43 one who cares about that you grow up
0:28:45 I mean the mother is it's the one who
0:29:01 cares about the children and she is the
0:29:03 one who tries to break them up in a big
0:29:06 way and in the company are the workers
0:29:09 who won the ones who won in the nature
0:29:14 of work but I'm just saying to believe
0:29:17 look if we should be by increasing
0:29:19 increase and increase the responsibility
0:29:24 usually means an increase in power
0:29:28 yeah any piece responsibility usually
0:29:31 means the increase of power or an
0:29:32 increase in power usually means
0:29:34 increased responsibility yes in most
0:29:39 economic situations an increase in power
0:29:41 it means entails and increase
0:29:44 responsibility if give me any job in the
0:29:47 world any job the president president
0:29:51 okay now his responsibilities have
0:29:54 become laws when it became president
0:29:56 okay so what we're saying is the same
0:30:00 prediction of mine the home the point is
0:30:02 that this guys
0:30:16 power dynamic between the damaja seeded
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0:31:55 now these are I'm not saying I disagree
0:31:59 with all your points I agree with the
0:32:02 general equality premise I'm saying is
0:32:04 that when we think about things I mean
0:32:24 there are studies that have like it's
0:32:27 true that the feminist art of is like
0:32:31 like it's just not a very spirit like
0:32:34 they should look at the individual
0:32:36 issues more than like the overall issues
0:32:39 like just focus on like that it's not a
0:32:43 feminist cause but it's like sitted like
0:32:46 a pause for rights in general so there's
0:32:49 a study where they sent an application
0:32:52 to the same the only difference was the
0:32:58 name called the ethnic minority isn't
0:33:25 you know yeah I'm saying that people are
0:33:31 if a woman was applying from as a
0:33:35 midwife job a midwife she would program
0:33:38 positive discrimination probably
0:33:41 preferred
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0:34:05 which are stigmatized you guys yeah
0:34:30 thank you