Not Ruling by What Allah has Revealed - Part2.avi (2012-02-12) ​
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Part 2
Professor Muhammad Al Massari discusses the grave implications of not ruling by what Allah has revealed and not making Allah and His Messenger (SAW) the source for guidance in all affairs. The Professor provides irrefutable evidences from Quran and Sunnah leaving the objective observer who seeks true guidance under no illusions as to the correct point of view regarding this vital issue.
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00:00:00 - 01:00:00 ​
discusses the importance of being scholarly in one's beliefs, and how this can lead to success in the long run. It also discusses the importance of being honest and forthright, even when confronted with difficult situations.
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- Discusses the view that if someone is drunk, they are not responsible for their actions. He notes that there are some exceptions to this rule, such as cases of public intoxication. He emphasizes that the correct view is that if someone is drunk, they are not in control of their actions.
- **00:05:00 ** provides a general overview of the principle of not ruling by what Allah has revealed, and goes on to explain that in principle, a Muslim who is drunk cannot be held responsible for his actions. He then dives into a discussion of the use of fatwas, and how some people may use them to justify their sinful actions. finishes by providing a general overview of the state of scholarship in the Subcontinent, and how most scholars are limited in their understanding.
- **00:10:00 ** a scholar discusses the difficulty of becoming a non-Muslim and the perils of ruling by what Allah has revealed, as opposed to one's own opinion. He points out that over the centuries, all schools of Islamic thought have developed, but that in the present day, it is difficult to be independent and not adhere to one specific school of thought. He ends the video by giving the benefit of the doubt to those who may have violated Islamic law unintentionally.
- **00:15:00
- Discusses the issue of scholars who may be influenced by their relationships with powerful people, and how this can lead to wrong interpretations of Islamic law. It also discusses a scholar who was killed because he refused to rule in accordance with royal decree. points out that this situation is not unique to Tunisia, and that similar problems exist in other countries as well.
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- Discusses the importance of being scholarly in your beliefs, and how a good scholar can be positive even when they disagree with other scholars. also discusses the importance of being honest and forthright, even when confronted with difficult situations.
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- Discusses why some scholars oppose those who follow the teachings of scholars such as Nawawi and Chave. It goes on to mention that one of these scholars, halloween, is not respected by the other scholars.
- **00:30:00 ** points out that most of the rulings of Muhammed (SAW) are invalid because he misinterpreted statements made by the prophet (PBUH). also mentions that some of his students of Muhammed (SAW) are good, but because they know the alim's books are worthless, they can't say that he is wrong. concludes by saying that even if an alim makes mistakes, he is still more authoritative than anyone else.
- **00:35:00 ** explains how there are two different types of followers in Islam, those who are "jump in the power" and those who are more scholarly. points out that the scholarly followers are more likely to be successful in the long run, as they are able to argue their points using rational arguments.
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- Discusses the importance of preaching Islamic principles to the common people, and how this is difficult to do due to the lack of financial support. They mention that a respectable book of around 300 pages would cost around £5,000 to translate, and that professional translators are not available for hire.
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- Discusses how, over the course of five or six years, they edited and translated a book until they became disgusted with the content. They say that the language and concepts in the book are lost, and part of the reason is that the government base is what is driving the content. expresses their hope that the situation will change, and that eventually the Saudi regime will be kind to them. However, they are still hurt about the campaign against the juventu, which they say is not against them as human beings, but as a means to create a base against the Taliban.
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- Discusses how Muslim scholars fabricated hadith to give them ideological strength, and how this was only in the 19th century.
- **00:55:00
- Discusses the possible origins of the Quran, and how some religious texts may be fabricated. It also mentions the possible forgery of the Prophet Muhammad's life and teachings.
01:00:00 - 01:15:00 ​
discusses the possible origins of Muhammad and how this affects the reliability of history. It also argues that, if Muhammad did not exist, Islam would be a cover-up for something else.
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- Discusses the possible origins of Muhammad and how this changes the reliability of history. It goes on to say that, if Muhammad did not exist, then history makes no sense. The narrator then goes on to ask whether or not Muhammad existed biologically, and if so, from where. The narrator argues that it is possible that Muhammad is from China, and that the Islamic religion is a cover-up for something else.
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- Discusses the problems with using sources that are later than the Quran, and how Muslims have to rely on secondary sources to verify the Quran's authenticity.
- **01:10:00 ** A scholar discusses various old testament stories and how some of them may have been influenced by interference from the Prophet. He determines that one such story, about Adam being 60 feet 60 inches tall, is invalid because there is no physical evidence to support it.
- **01:15:00 ** the speaker discusses the importance of collaboration and working together in order to achieve success. He notes that this is the way to go if you want to follow Allah's commands.
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0:00:42 oh0:00:46 um0:01:46 uh0:01:47 i think0:01:48 if you follow the quran0:01:50 just quran sunna it will be0:01:53 clear that this is really0:01:56 under as the sheikh also stressed that0:01:58 the most important referral to allah is0:01:59 messenger that's ruling0:02:02 if you don't regret for example he gave0:02:03 the example of0:02:04 but there's another more clear example0:02:07 which0:02:09 at the end of the half of mania because0:02:11 it was not clear and some of the focal0:02:13 how the law of hazard0:02:15 decline0:02:17 they said we can have some european laws0:02:19 imported because they don't contradict0:02:20 islam but it's not possible because it0:02:23 will contradict islam it's not the life0:02:24 of quran0:02:26 because what's islam is quran and what's0:02:28 the right from there even if you make a0:02:30 mistake0:02:31 an example he gave another example i0:02:33 gave to someone saying listen every0:02:36 other0:02:37 person of rationality will recognize0:02:39 that a mentally a mentally raised person0:02:42 a mental guy is not responsible in a0:02:44 court of law0:02:46 but if someone in actor law saying the0:02:48 mentally deranged or the the mentally0:02:51 sick are not responsible and criminally0:02:53 responsible because this is what this0:02:55 rational analysis indicates that strange0:02:58 law says he doesn't he's not a muslim0:03:00 he's still a catholic the only way to0:03:01 become muslim is that0:03:08 i don't think any law in the world0:03:10 will say that the mentally deranged is0:03:12 responsible0:03:13 maybe the one odd loss of we're going to0:03:15 be intimidated i'm just making a joke0:03:18 but still if you don't refer to that's0:03:20 what allah and this messenger said it is0:03:22 not an islamic law and enacting it is an0:03:24 act of course0:03:26 even if it is accidentally the same like0:03:27 islamic law0:03:29 i've got two questions0:03:30 there's like one one of them is0:03:32 regarding the state of drunkenness for0:03:34 example um there is i understand that0:03:37 there are some scholars who hold the0:03:38 view that if someone is in the state of0:03:40 drunkenness and he pronounces dullap on0:03:42 his wife0:03:44 then even if after he's come back and0:03:47 he's sober and he realized he regrets0:03:48 his action that talaq actually counts0:03:52 that this this is0:03:54 a small uh0:03:56 fairly point but i think they are they0:03:59 some say because he is guilty by0:04:00 drinking but this is that does not solve0:04:03 the problem because allah said about the0:04:05 letter0:04:07 is drunk he doesn't know what he says0:04:09 and the hadith also says0:04:12 that0:04:12 he may go and make supplication to allah0:04:15 against himself that's the state of0:04:17 being done if that's so0:04:20 that's the state and the connection the0:04:23 the prohibition before the prohibition0:04:24 of drinking in the first place the0:04:25 prohibition to come near to the salah0:04:28 while you are drunk so that you know0:04:29 what you are saying0:04:31 indicate that it's the state of donkey0:04:32 so if you don't know what you are saying0:04:34 how you care is be responsible for it so0:04:35 the correct point of view is that if0:04:36 it's really drunk in the sense that he0:04:39 doesn't know0:04:40 what he's saying that what he did is0:04:44 he's not his voice0:04:47 there may be some cases like odd cases0:04:49 someone make himself drunk0:04:51 or a publicly drunk and go and kill0:04:53 someone and so on that's obviously a0:04:54 court has to analyze that very very very0:04:56 meticulously and see what was the0:04:58 intention before and after that would be0:05:00 odd cases but in principle as a modern0:05:02 principle in the state because that one0:05:04 who really makes himself drunk is he0:05:07 really drunk0:05:08 that one is not it's pretend to be drunk0:05:10 or partly uh walking maybe wobbling and0:05:14 so but not really drunk that he still0:05:16 knows what he is because he is he0:05:17 planned to do the murder he drank a bit0:05:19 so he appears and gone dude he was not0:05:22 really drunk if0:05:37 all comes but i don't think they are0:05:38 very tasty0:05:40 who got them as a responsible from0:05:42 brother i think first brother and then0:05:44 because one singer said oh allah hamza0:05:47 was sure0:05:48 so he thought that's an encouragement to0:05:50 kill these took their levels and0:05:53 grilled them and they were eating it and0:05:54 of course and then i went to the bar0:05:57 weaving saying did you see what your0:05:58 uncle did he killed by two only the only0:06:01 wealth they had ever and he was hoping0:06:03 with that money to have the dowry for0:06:05 fatima0:06:06 so my son went to hamza i said did you0:06:09 you killed why did you kill when you0:06:11 slaughtered the two camels of your0:06:13 nephew he looked to him he said0:06:16 aren't you and him slaves of my father0:06:18 supposed to knew that he stumbled that0:06:20 he's drunk he doesn't know what he's0:06:21 saying because if you say that nearly0:06:23 half a week stay tuned for something or0:06:25 a cancer clean0:06:26 so step back and let him so that's the0:06:28 real state of them you are enjoying0:06:30 yourself someone is singing and you are0:06:32 drunk and no way in that you will commit0:06:34 become a degree and bother with the0:06:36 intention so0:06:38 that with the scholar there they either0:06:40 they drove and rise properly or they do0:06:42 not say if he's really drunk0:06:44 and their evidence is all pointed at0:06:46 direction then he's tarak and all his0:06:47 actions are actually invalid0:06:50 and the column is one four and in that0:06:52 state also although he may be central0:06:53 for being putting himself in that state0:06:55 but the laws of being being not0:06:58 responsible apply for example even i0:07:01 think rightly conclude that this state0:07:03 is similar to the state of0:07:05 of uh of being missing salah for because0:07:07 you should not do salat in that state0:07:09 even if you are sinful by drinking but0:07:11 still so salat time is shifted for you0:07:13 until you are awake and then you have to0:07:15 do it as soon as you can but it has no0:07:16 end time exactly like the one who sleep0:07:19 over a sarah or forgets about salah he0:07:21 has to perform at the moment he0:07:22 remembers or he wakes up but this is the0:07:25 only way to do it0:07:26 and there's no end time but the sauna0:07:29 should be as soon as possible with no0:07:30 delay any delay intentionally is is0:07:32 simple0:07:33 so his analysis i think is correct but0:07:35 this is the matter0:07:37 there are no way0:07:38 is more stronger in his i don't need to0:07:40 get skilled another one is more deeper0:07:42 than the other this is obviously fit0:07:44 which allah gives to some people some0:07:46 people are gifted with bigger capability0:07:48 of some less capability0:07:50 that the scholars will have their own0:07:52 analysis and disagreement etc with no0:07:55 doubt but the principle is clear0:07:58 in a small factory point but the0:08:01 the fundamental issue is that this is0:08:03 both of us the one who said that0:08:06 they are only fair to allah0:08:08 they are all muslims the one who said no0:08:10 according to the french law that one is0:08:11 capital i think i agree with you the0:08:14 second question is gonna ask is actually0:08:16 regarding um0:08:18 uh people using uh0:08:20 fatwas to like say say that mortgages0:08:23 are halal under certain circumstances0:08:25 they're obviously saying in their0:08:27 intention0:08:28 as we understand it that they're using0:08:30 it's messenger yeah0:08:33 sometimes0:08:34 people are very very strange creatures0:08:37 that can be sound0:08:39 try to find justification for this but0:08:41 the majority who are using it to go0:08:42 usually to scholars of hanafi because0:08:44 majority in the west are0:08:46 the subcontinent but this was the0:08:48 measure of the0:08:49 the jew and the clown the british empire0:08:53 and they imported these subcontractors a0:08:55 very angry very simple people and they0:08:57 have this old scholarly point of view0:08:58 that usually take me river0:09:00 actually it's taking river not giving it0:09:02 but they are giving river which is0:09:03 upside down but taking river in them but0:09:05 that will help is permissible because of0:09:08 his analysis that the model of the herb0:09:10 is used anyway0:09:11 it is yours if you if you fight him you0:09:13 can't take it so if you lend him and0:09:15 take0:09:16 from him the wrong plus usually i think0:09:18 actually which belongs to you but not by0:09:20 sword by by another way this analysis is0:09:23 no problem most likely but0:09:25 but even that will not apply0:09:27 because the the current scholars most of0:09:29 them are quite weak and there's more0:09:30 they are not real because in the way you0:09:33 are not taking user you are giving the0:09:34 thank you right he is robbing you you0:09:36 are not trouble0:09:37 he's making the name on you not the0:09:39 opposite so it shouldn't be that way0:09:42 this is not your harim but0:09:44 you may find an excuse because they they0:09:47 usually the majority of these are uh0:09:52 there's some good scholars in the0:09:52 subcontinent but they are the0:09:54 scholarship is limited related to the0:09:56 manhattan0:09:57 they very few liberated themselves0:10:00 to get out of the madhab0:10:02 and become independent0:10:04 the environment does not permit since0:10:06 hundreds of years in the muslim world0:10:08 all schools0:10:09 there was some time if you0:10:11 leave the tacleed of one of the major0:10:12 malayah the people would imprison you0:10:14 like0:10:15 present in the divorcing in the issue of0:10:17 the divorce and so on so it is very0:10:19 difficult to become a non-muslim to be0:10:22 independent so i would say i will give0:10:24 them the benefit of the doubt i wouldn't0:10:26 say really that they deliberately wanted0:10:28 to violate islamic law i think they0:10:31 try to find a solution for the people in0:10:33 a situation which is missing by0:10:35 constructing some kind of fatwa does not0:10:37 mean that every one of these scholars is0:10:39 really honest and sincere in his health0:10:40 some of them are quite twisted but the0:10:43 majority i don't think so because you0:10:45 see we have met many of them they are0:10:47 quite pious they are they are people0:10:49 piety of good mothers and so on so you0:10:51 can assume that really they intended the0:10:52 best and they wanted to solve the0:10:54 people's problem within the law of0:10:56 awareness messenger even if you don't0:10:58 agree with that fatwa it's a strongly0:11:00 disagree differently0:11:01 because if i follow honey for them then0:11:03 i will be lending the bankruptcy not the0:11:04 opposite0:11:06 taking money from him or giving him0:11:08 money0:11:09 like depositing and taking interest and0:11:11 give it to somewhere in another charity0:11:13 or something like that or a question0:11:14 mark around the whole issue0:11:17 you could say also this is you are0:11:19 living in the way of kofuru actually in0:11:21 the state of uh not duress but in ms0:11:24 state0:11:25 if you run away from usury it will catch0:11:27 you the smoke of it and the dust will0:11:29 reach you anyway0:11:31 and then they thought maybe it is0:11:33 the lesser of the two evils some people0:11:34 argue though it's not a fairy argument0:11:36 but it's widespread0:11:37 either you remain rental the rest of0:11:39 your life and you don't develop any0:11:41 wealth or any assets or you pay more0:11:43 vision than after a few years decades0:11:45 maybe you have built your own assets and0:11:47 some existence some analyze this way0:11:50 which has also0:11:52 some0:11:54 pseudo sharia0:11:55 like strengthening muslims keeping their0:11:57 wealth developing their own capabilities0:12:00 so you will find scholars saying that0:12:02 and you cannot say they are not0:12:03 referring to allah these messengers0:12:07 the only one here really failing and0:12:09 bluntly not referring our the rulers0:12:11 some of them are clearly bluntly and0:12:12 some of them are just very in a nasty0:12:14 way they clear nasty way like for0:12:16 example of tunisia0:12:17 and0:12:19 and turkey they are very clear they are0:12:21 anti-islamic clearly but we have for0:12:23 example there was some argument with the0:12:25 kuwaiti prime minister 20 years ago the0:12:27 one who caused the invasion of kuwait0:12:31 and someone says0:12:50 stupid guys0:12:52 and then you have the only one who is0:12:54 really nicely hypocritical and playing0:12:56 the game well other sounds they have0:12:58 played it excellently0:13:00 giving it a name saying no it's not0:13:01 karun it's no as if the word obamacare0:13:03 would make a difference0:13:05 and then oh no they're moving their0:13:06 scholars who are0:13:08 like for example i can't believe that0:13:09 the brethren the united nations is just0:13:11 like0:13:13 it's just0:13:14 agreement like that0:13:17 they did not bother even reading the0:13:19 asking give me the united they should0:13:20 give me a translation of the united0:13:24 standing up0:13:29 but some of these scholars living behind0:13:31 the moon they're not living0:13:33 in this world completely removed from0:13:35 the reality0:13:38 or they kept like i once we met with i0:13:41 mean face to face after height0:13:43 and there was an issue that here that0:13:44 the hajj there was a block of the road0:13:46 so somehow you were unable to enter0:13:48 arafat they were outside0:13:52 and the discussion was opened what to do0:13:54 with their hajj valid or invariant0:13:57 the sheikh was quite embarrassed corner0:13:59 because obviously there's a government0:14:00 negligence they reverse the roads but0:14:01 the rules all in the morning until late0:14:04 in the afternoon they're going to alpha0:14:05 did you put off0:14:06 not here0:14:08 and then afternoon they reversed all out0:14:09 okay0:14:11 reasonable arrangement but some stupid0:14:13 police blocked some roads earlier and0:14:15 some and india before all buses were in0:14:18 so they were not in alpha they were0:14:19 outside0:14:20 so i said0:14:22 someone could say should say the hajj is0:14:24 valid because they have the attention to0:14:26 be there the the waste is connected and0:14:28 they're prevented by force and this is0:14:30 like we can't regard our fathers have0:14:32 been expanded temporarily because of0:14:34 that otherwise we declare that people0:14:36 have to be invalid and they came they0:14:38 did all the nusuk they stood if not in0:14:40 the arafat itself up to the0:14:42 while your bottom headset out of that0:14:45 but the cars are connected so alpha has0:14:48 expanded in some sense that's the only0:14:49 way we can make their hajj valid0:14:53 and then there was uh this habit0:14:55 was sitting here0:15:03 but the question is that the question is0:15:05 that i tried to make an issue a little0:15:08 bit wider the question how come that0:15:10 such stupid police is giving the power0:15:12 to block the people as well because our0:15:14 party is still capable if they don't0:15:16 block the road0:15:17 they should be educated that after the0:15:19 last car when they look the road is0:15:21 empty they block they don't pull up0:15:24 who is responsible for that0:15:27 has started us asking questions about0:15:28 some some0:15:29 uh some hadith0:15:31 and diverted the whole attention0:15:33 deliberately0:15:34 i looked at him i said who is this guy0:15:36 whoever0:16:06 this time i heard his his0:16:09 uh his broadcast and so on0:16:11 he is0:16:14 his is he seems to be quite0:16:15 simple-minded in that sense0:16:17 fallen from the world isolating himself0:16:20 but he has to be blamed because as a0:16:22 scholar you should be knowing what's0:16:23 going on in the world yeah it's going to0:16:25 be hard for like the muslim um uh given0:16:28 the0:16:28 the scholars that we have now who are0:16:31 quite um0:16:32 far removed from a lot of the realities0:16:34 in order to well they try to shield0:16:36 himself the following interesting story0:16:38 before the sheikh has to go uh has to go0:16:41 through to catch his deadline0:16:43 we well at sheikh0:16:45 may allah despite all of my objection to0:16:48 him0:16:49 and then we had a professor and0:16:51 associate professor at that time in king0:16:53 saud department for electrical0:16:55 engineering0:16:57 and then he said i will show you i will0:17:00 catch the chef today okay so we met the0:17:02 sheikh we were meeting0:17:10 what do you think about the situation in0:17:11 tunisia he went far away that's the only0:17:13 way to catch the solid school tunisia0:17:16 we have evidence now definitely that0:17:18 they give0:17:20 the gift of they give licenses for night0:17:23 clubs for striptease and so on which0:17:25 definitely uh women and men are0:17:27 completely naked so the hour which0:17:29 there's no there's no discussion about0:17:30 face on hand it's clear absolutely0:17:36 and by permission of the state by the0:17:38 peace0:17:39 every place has a license which is under0:17:40 the door0:17:44 fifties0:18:17 is very clear but he never articulated0:18:19 it the problem is there's either the0:18:21 fear or the duress0:18:23 well you find the excuse he's now dead0:18:25 physical0:18:26 hopefully it was the rest0:18:29 um that he could not do otherwise0:18:31 that he what he have to place there far0:18:33 away cannot put it here because the0:18:35 sword of the government is obviously0:18:38 clear and0:18:40 ready to strike or whatever it is but0:18:42 it's it should not be0:18:44 should not be no no doubt that0:18:47 that the either0:18:48 either0:18:49 try to avoid to look at the reality so0:18:51 they're not forced or try to avoid0:18:52 discussing it or just make to be alone0:18:55 that will kill if they are forced to do0:18:56 a corner0:18:59 but anybody of that i said0:19:00 generally still most scholar except very0:19:03 few known to be really0:19:05 real monafic i would say they are still0:19:08 within the0:19:23 are more qualified but because he is an0:19:25 appendix of the royal family and from0:19:26 alicia0:19:27 become like like and her inherited0:19:29 priesthood like0:19:31 he must be from bari haroon it's mostly0:19:33 from maharashtra what about the0:19:34 grandmother0:19:36 this is even worse0:19:38 and few others few others are definitely0:19:43 if if we follow0:19:44 according to what he said that if the0:19:46 islam gives fatwa knowingly the wrong0:19:48 one then he becomes a kafir i think0:19:50 these are the graves danger0:19:56 some some of these like this one this0:19:57 one0:20:00 it's really0:20:03 it's really pretty but what can you do0:20:06 did you meet abdullah bin sad0:20:08 yeah i met him several times you sent me0:20:10 his side0:20:12 he's good in hadith0:20:13 and he's quite sincere he was imprisoned0:20:15 by the way several times0:20:18 he's a good man he stand to what his0:20:20 belief so0:20:21 abdullah said this is uh0:20:23 who had the chief of your father and0:20:25 very very uh0:20:27 very analytical at one time i caught him0:20:29 in0:20:30 his arm which has him so he was once0:20:33 discussing this discussion about the0:20:35 hadith scholars and so on0:20:38 and then we came to0:20:41 uh and he was this was i think he was0:20:44 giving halak or he was in the radio i'm0:20:45 not sure and i said sheikh you discussed0:20:47 that and then you will discuss that0:20:50 is not to be nasty he has very nasty0:20:51 comments about alibaba0:20:53 and then you justified him that he is0:20:55 known to be truthful0:20:58 his narration if you agree i'm not0:20:59 denying that he was johnny0:21:29 as trust now and he's even i think as0:21:31 hadith swallow he's better than jonathan0:21:33 and more conversation0:21:34 and you you said uh we should avoid0:21:37 narrating him although he seems to be0:21:38 those cool i agree that he's transformed0:21:40 because he's rafael say what makes the0:21:42 difference between the nazibi and the0:21:44 rafale why this one is having the mana0:21:46 as an excuse and the one has no excuse0:21:48 and then his face became because he's0:21:50 very fair colored almost they're0:21:52 fearless0:21:53 almost like kaleem and0:21:56 meshech0:22:01 a man like you who is devoted to hadith0:22:04 and to have his sons and to the truth0:22:06 and the good muslim should make no0:22:08 difference if this one is excused0:22:10 because this is0:22:18 so you you find sometimes pitfalls like0:22:22 like like this between but this i don't0:22:24 think he said this is because the0:22:26 environment if you are in0:22:28 a hospital0:22:31 you will have a heart attack if you get0:22:32 the opposite but now it doesn't sound0:22:34 that bad most likely because nasa are0:22:36 very few they are scattered i don't0:22:38 think there was never really a real0:22:40 nasty movement except0:22:43 and even these were not really nasa as0:22:45 they were i guess0:22:46 because of tachy0:22:48 not because of albeit or anything like0:22:50 that0:22:51 they're not in this is that the0:22:52 anti-alias and they have fours are going0:22:55 to have the argument of attacking but0:22:57 really systematically enough to be in0:22:59 in in the way like uh0:23:01 like jose and others0:23:03 not not to that extent0:23:06 very few no no real moves well after0:23:08 they are a big movement0:23:11 so people are more worried so you0:23:13 understand the psychological but0:23:14 scholarly you should be0:23:16 trying to be scholarly in the same0:23:18 well-balanced way0:23:20 but it's a good scholar very good0:23:21 excellent scholar very good very honest0:23:23 very forthright0:23:26 although he's not involved in politics0:23:28 but when he was confronted with certain0:23:29 things he insisted that i put him in0:23:31 jail a few months and even after jail0:23:34 he was before jail and after he used to0:23:36 visit my father i think every one week0:23:38 or two weeks0:23:40 to read in him0:23:42 muslim and so on0:23:43 you don't need to have a better0:23:45 scholarship than i said i'm visiting you0:23:47 specifically because everyone has0:23:48 deserted you are because0:23:50 no no you know who i mean in london so i0:23:53 am the one who will continue visiting as0:23:55 long as you are and he continued0:23:56 visiting i think every few weeks0:24:00 and if he was asked i'm just reading on0:24:02 the sheikhs i am muslim0:24:04 until my father died so he is one of0:24:07 this type of0:24:09 old fam0:24:10 very good scholar0:24:12 and also technically from hadith0:24:14 scholarship is0:24:16 very0:24:19 familiar with especially with the0:24:21 methodology of the area scholar is his0:24:23 more positive daughter he's not very0:24:25 positive albany and the0:24:27 later scholars0:24:28 but this is mata also again which is0:24:41 i think what would be useful um for a0:24:43 lot of brothers as well0:24:44 when you argue or0:24:46 go into discussion with the salafi0:24:48 movement or anybody with that persuasion0:24:51 they ask some where are the scholars0:24:53 that um oppose paul jimmy0:24:56 uh0:24:57 and so on because the scholarship of0:24:59 these people you have one of them here0:25:01 but he's hiding yes0:25:02 the scholarship of these people are0:25:05 sound clear0:25:06 now who are these scholars0:25:08 who oppose these scholars this is the0:25:10 argument0:25:12 this is almost like like almost like so0:25:15 perhaps some you know a compilation of0:25:17 scholars who are sound even even if you0:25:20 give up for combination they say no this0:25:22 is0:25:23 well they say that already about0:25:24 different people but for people who are0:25:27 the students of knowledge must be0:25:28 listening to it it's become like a0:25:29 church almost like like believing before0:25:32 evidence that's the problem so because0:25:34 they have defined only they have set in0:25:35 mind0:25:37 our scholars are0:25:39 embassadors in albany they have the0:25:40 three big ones and whoever recommend is0:25:43 recommended by those and the one who0:25:44 recommended from this so they have it's0:25:46 not going through the three the0:25:47 concerning these three0:25:49 when uh was his name0:25:51 the one who was killed in afghanistan0:25:53 start in the eighth movement0:26:01 when he started i think in 88 and 87 i0:26:04 was0:26:05 the first actually0:26:07 he is0:26:08 the yeah but he but he became more0:26:10 public and then started that having0:26:12 having his own campaign so he already0:26:14 started supporting him yeah but he was0:26:16 he was the first he was not the eighth0:26:18 he0:26:19 historically but he was not very in the0:26:21 front yeah he came in the front in eight0:26:22 eight seven eight well he has his own uh0:26:25 his own state all the time from the0:26:27 beginning yeah before they can0:26:30 they have taken any other will i had was0:26:32 conor was the first to be taken from the0:26:35 russians yeah0:26:36 without doubt but he became famous and i0:26:39 think with some support in 87 88 and0:26:41 then he started0:26:43 uh the mujahid0:26:46 and the first issue had interviews or0:26:48 articles or0:26:50 extracts from um everybody's they mean0:26:53 and uh0:26:54 the first one so one one student of mine0:26:57 was a bit revolutionary they came to me0:26:59 the physics department i was doing0:27:01 something with the secretary and then he0:27:03 said did you hear about this new0:27:18 if you don't refer to these three and0:27:20 other in the best0:27:21 publication then you are nothing which0:27:24 is really a disgrace so it has become0:27:26 now these three0:27:28 and whoever recommended by them0:27:31 and then because these three died0:27:32 already so the next generation now are0:27:34 the authority0:27:36 and that is not must enter them0:27:38 and most of them are0:27:41 telling you they are really not0:27:45 they don't even come close in0:27:47 scholarship or in at least any piety and0:27:50 personal aspects to these three in any0:27:51 way these they had had had very good0:27:54 scholarly aspects well thoughts0:27:56 obviously but in personal aspects i0:27:58 think they have piety and they have they0:28:00 have considerable0:28:02 considerable level of0:28:04 devotion or maybe excuses maybe they0:28:06 were doing tawin they may be but you0:28:08 cannot really declare them to be that's0:28:10 they're so dishonest and so directly0:28:12 manifestly disgusting like this uh i0:28:15 cannot mufti or the tom powell in norway0:28:18 but the generation after them are very0:28:19 bad but are there any scholars who um as0:28:22 the brother mentioned that you might0:28:24 know that actually publicly0:28:26 are the opposition0:28:42 i think somebody should produce at least0:28:44 a small compilation of scholars who0:28:46 oppose these views so that's why you0:28:49 know people can refer to these people0:28:56 in egypt some0:29:11 because they don't rely on him0:29:15 there is0:29:17 this what his name uh0:29:19 sorry halloween no no no no it has0:29:22 nothing to do with hadith no no0:29:42 i mean he didn't albany when he made us0:29:44 all he didn't0:29:46 say this is my also0:29:48 when someone say this is my also you can0:29:49 discuss with him but once someone says0:29:52 this is the soul of the of nawawi of0:29:55 chave and then we go and see the also0:29:58 he says the opposite he shouldn't he0:30:00 couldn't only understand them0:30:02 so this also become invalid0:30:06 most of his also are invalid0:30:09 because he misunderstood the statement0:30:11 of0:30:12 at the beginning and he had never had0:30:14 time to0:30:16 go back or it was difficult0:30:19 but there is some of his0:30:21 the student of his student actually is0:30:24 some i have read their books they are0:30:26 very good and0:30:28 but because and they know that albany is0:30:31 books are worthless but still he can't0:30:34 say that0:30:36 and it's even it seems when they talk0:30:39 it seems like the0:30:41 they are convinced they will say that he0:30:43 is wrong0:30:44 he is wrong in here he is wrong in here0:30:46 he is wrong in here still they will say0:30:48 he is the biggest chair so i don't know0:30:50 how someone who can make me these0:30:52 mistakes0:30:54 for example one of them is stark0:30:57 from egypt from egypt0:30:58 there is the han he is not student of0:31:00 albany0:31:02 but he can't also if you want your books0:31:04 to be read0:31:06 uh you have to go with the current i0:31:08 mean you don't go to0:31:11 opposite side i mean how did abu hanifa0:31:14 for example become0:31:15 the biggest check if you ris if you read0:31:18 until the until ahmed muhammad0:31:20 officially0:31:22 until ahmed muhammad0:31:24 became officially0:31:26 a madhhab there was you won't find0:31:28 anyone0:31:30 who is recognized that scholar0:31:32 from malik0:31:40 all these people had a very0:31:42 bad0:31:44 uh0:31:45 they used to think very bad about them0:31:48 abu hanifa had only his students in kuwa0:31:51 who most of them are untrustworthy who0:31:54 consider him to be a clever man0:31:56 according to the majority of muslims if0:31:58 you read the books0:32:00 abu hanifa used to be nobody0:32:02 but when he became a mother0:32:05 finish0:32:06 if you want now to oppose alhaji if you0:32:08 are going to oppose to the0:32:10 three-third of the population muslim0:32:12 population0:32:14 muhammad was not a mathematician0:32:16 it was only three methods0:32:18 for about three centuries0:32:21 and his people were oppressed0:32:24 because they take mostly just they are0:32:26 almost like baharis0:32:28 only when they became at time when0:32:31 nobody was watching0:32:33 they could yeah they they could gather0:32:37 some followers0:32:38 they had then they took power0:32:41 and then they had to be localized0:32:43 even the former today which is powerless0:32:46 yeah today the same the fourth the form0:32:48 of the they don't accept anyone outside0:32:50 the formula0:32:51 but you can see now that how the0:32:53 their how they look at the salafis they0:32:56 are they have accepted them now because0:32:58 they are a majority0:33:04 soon the salafist will become for no0:33:07 vermouth0:33:15 same thing with the former life actually0:33:18 he didn't he started in the name of not0:33:20 doing it at the end0:33:23 it's a matter of0:33:24 either fame or power or good luck for0:33:27 example a metal without being uh sheikhs0:33:30 from the west of0:33:31 arabia where malik is the0:33:33 valid madhav so they have special but0:33:36 actually0:33:37 malik has has been lucky in many aspects0:33:39 he has students who enforce motherboards0:33:41 never have somewhere in in states and0:33:44 they think as as0:33:45 as a matter of opposition to the0:33:48 which has0:33:51 the the far western and louisiana0:33:53 adopted malik maybe as a kind of0:33:55 opposition or something like that0:33:56 historically maybe that's the reason but0:33:58 actually if you look even hadi for0:34:01 example many scholars say0:34:03 you will say usually there's to call the0:34:04 golden0:34:10 is better and stronger are you having0:34:12 more more comprehensive relationships0:34:14 the hadith doesn't do any abridging the0:34:16 hadith and so on and he's no less0:34:18 authority but who will know ayub0:34:21 may be the first time most of us need0:34:23 him but malik is well known yes malik0:34:25 got lucky0:34:27 it was really like0:34:29 a matter of hadith but also his regret0:34:31 if no doubt about that an authority but0:34:33 this one secondly in fact if you look at0:34:35 the malik originally and malek's fatal0:34:38 and especially whenever hasam0:34:41 makes his campaign against the maliki0:34:43 what was its own in0:34:45 it's actually0:34:47 many of the fat was the main part of you0:34:49 are just just catastrophic almost0:34:53 you feel you feel there's a lot of0:34:56 issues of racism and so on that like for0:34:58 example distinguishing between bill and0:35:00 pennel0:35:05 things which are really outrageous the0:35:07 wonder that has come from any muslim0:35:10 not an imam like mine and still the0:35:12 mother is there so you need to get lucky0:35:14 you have some followers who become jump0:35:16 in the power become a a0:35:20 chief justice in one state or in a small0:35:22 in a relevant province and then spread0:35:24 widely like malik and also hanifa0:35:27 because0:35:28 because of yousef0:35:29 became the chief justice and the how was0:35:31 she that then than the hanafi0:35:34 this is exactly what's happening with0:35:35 albany because his students0:35:38 his brahms was the adviser to king0:35:42 and then he got many of the albany0:35:44 students into the government0:35:46 and then they have discussed that his0:35:49 mother does help because nobody becomes0:35:51 no matter what he does what he does0:35:55 even even if he is the prophet this is0:35:57 gil at adam this is lack of males0:36:04 so that's so this one with this0:36:06 scholarship is sometimes a matter of0:36:07 historic conditions like usually0:36:10 power and0:36:13 it fits in one point uh historically and0:36:16 then you you0:36:18 but i think in modern times i think what0:36:20 the brother is saying it can be done0:36:22 insha'allah because now we have0:36:25 really the power of the people through0:36:26 the internet and through the white0:36:27 publications0:36:30 you don't need yes if you have a state0:36:32 it's easy obviously you can spread your0:36:34 books you have thousands and millions of0:36:36 copies you can give them for free etc0:36:44 as possible and available no doubt about0:36:46 that but uh0:36:49 with the internet with the individual0:36:51 scholarship with the jihadi movies which0:36:52 is obviously a confrontation with many0:36:54 governments despite0:36:56 all its shortcomings but being in0:36:57 confrontation with governments and those0:36:59 who have allied with the west0:37:01 gives her more standing in the people i0:37:03 think slowly they will come for water0:37:04 they will take inshallah over on in in0:37:07 terms of taking practical steps um0:37:10 like there are two approaches uh one0:37:12 approach is that you do exactly what the0:37:13 selfies do i mean if you go to selfie0:37:15 publications.com i think0:37:17 every single muslim0:37:19 that has probably lived in the last 500:37:21 years0:37:22 except for0:37:23 the wahhabis um they were classed as0:37:26 some sort of form of deviant0:37:28 absolutely in every way now0:37:31 let's let's that's that's obviously uh0:37:34 that's obviously a way of like using0:37:36 intellectual girl and intimate but as i0:37:38 said that0:37:39 that can be now0:37:40 confronted and under my face by showing0:37:43 that0:37:44 the the the grounds of deviancy they0:37:46 claim are not valid by0:37:49 but the point is is that0:37:51 they're attracting0:37:53 the standing is there yeah well i mean0:37:54 well they have a standard i'm not sure0:37:56 if it's that it's the right standard but0:37:57 their standard is that they're getting0:37:59 people clearly who don't necessarily um0:38:03 have that much knowledge so they get0:38:05 them on certain points they give them0:38:06 their rhetoric and these people become0:38:08 so close-minded that now0:38:12 yeah exactly for example i mean and if0:38:15 they don't care if they don't argue with0:38:16 you if you're there they'll beat you up0:38:18 because yeah absolutely i mean yeah0:38:19 that's the build yeah and and in my0:38:23 opinion they're the highest level of0:38:24 spies as well because that's what they0:38:26 do yeah that's no doubt but i think0:38:28 that's that's uh that's0:38:30 it shows weaknesses and splits i once0:38:33 seen by the email i think uh study of uh0:38:36 one of the universes in britain it was a0:38:38 pdf about the various selfies0:38:40 and the0:38:42 splits internally between uh0:38:50 the sign is that they have common0:38:51 symbols0:38:53 and so on every time he also is in the0:38:55 past which they can appeal to and hamlet0:38:56 and secondly that they have still in0:38:59 some sense another some kind of saudi0:39:00 family0:39:01 but this is being weakened down0:39:03 considerably so even in the uk they're0:39:05 you know like the albani0:39:07 they don't they don't agree with the0:39:09 reveal0:39:10 yeah they said they don't cooperate they0:39:11 don't talk to each other0:39:27 we have the website we're being0:39:29 developed and almost finalized by cash0:39:31 we have in arabic we have our website0:39:33 which has now0:39:34 we've started it and has picked up0:39:36 considerably0:39:38 and0:39:38 recently0:39:40 from the0:39:41 arabic ones which have islamic direction0:39:44 and through jihadi in general uh0:39:46 ours is now really in the forefront it0:39:49 took now control because the discussion0:39:51 is free0:39:53 argument is very0:39:55 streamlined and based on rational0:39:56 arguments it's very wide freedom there's0:39:59 articles for accusing me to be a0:40:00 catholic in our own website we get we0:40:02 discuss it that we will discuss it's not0:40:04 wrong bring your evidences and it is0:40:06 being built now and there's a good0:40:08 counter current against the selfie0:40:10 everywhere no but i mean my whole point0:40:13 is that0:40:14 you can't change these people so0:40:15 bringing up selfie or anti-selfie0:40:17 arguments0:40:18 um0:40:19 are we maybe0:40:22 wasting our resources and our reference0:40:23 maybe we should preach oh yeah0:40:26 said0:40:26 why we are objecting to that because we0:40:28 think that what they are representing is0:40:30 not a problem based on the evidence it's0:40:32 not that from the presentation of quran0:40:34 sunnah in this time not the prophet0:40:36 which because quran and sunnah have come0:40:39 to be a guidance to mankind as the allah0:40:41 said about the0:40:43 injil0:40:45 there is a light and guidance on it and0:40:47 those who have the engine should rule by0:40:48 it0:40:49 ruling will be applying these principles0:40:51 into the day-to-day affairs that's0:40:53 ruling by it judging by it the same here0:40:56 quran are full of life and more0:41:00 applying them to the to the0:41:03 to all situations especially to0:41:05 governments and compromising that's0:41:07 where they that's what they've got0:41:08 actually0:41:11 of the salafi0:41:14 that's their problem is that they the0:41:16 moment it gets to the rulers they0:41:19 step on the break but the common muslim0:41:21 the symbol hottest common muslim will0:41:23 not understand that especially he knows0:41:25 that0:41:26 a considerable part of muslim problems0:41:28 are because of the rulers the treachery0:41:31 the negligence the corruption0:41:34 but they excuse that because0:41:36 some of those i know but the common0:41:38 people will not excuse so to to have0:41:40 them to have a mass movement against0:41:43 them0:41:44 a valid one basically0:41:46 is to expose this aspect and put it from0:41:48 the front strongly but that looks like0:41:50 that's quite easy to do actually0:41:52 no it is easy in the theory we have the0:41:54 theory hamdallah developed quite0:41:56 considerably especially in a matter of0:41:57 allegiance0:41:58 we have it but it is difficult in the0:42:01 practice because for example i developed0:42:03 that because it's more scholarly type of0:42:05 speech hadith analysis it has to be done0:42:07 in arabic0:42:08 translating it is a really a full-time0:42:11 job for special0:42:12 specialist translator which we don't0:42:13 have the funds they have tons of funds0:42:15 and they're translating0:42:17 miserable books about funerals imagine a0:42:20 book of a funeral being translated and0:42:22 printed in a polished paper0:42:24 who cares about finalists all what we0:42:26 need maybe 200 copies for every imam too0:42:29 and if you have allah forbid the final0:42:31 in your house you go to the imam and he0:42:32 will give you the instructions0:42:35 for god's sake but some of them knew0:42:37 instead of commanding good and0:42:38 forbidding evil or not allah allah with0:42:40 the kuffar that's not printed and0:42:41 polished organized available everywhere0:42:43 so they're just the irrelevant tissues0:42:45 funerals0:42:47 things like that and they hijacking the0:42:50 field by this so they they appear to be0:42:52 present everywhere by these0:42:54 relatively there are issues but0:42:56 relatively trivial issues compared to0:42:57 the main issues0:42:59 so0:43:00 because of the availability of funds0:43:01 that are ready to support so what we are0:43:03 lacking is the aid of like the lack of0:43:05 fund and support0:43:08 yeah0:43:09 how much would it cost to0:43:12 hire a professional translators it's0:43:14 causing it to have a book really0:43:17 to have a book really yeah you can't0:43:19 find it now there's this this is what0:43:22 the swata organization the0:43:25 organization of0:43:26 arabic translator and and linguists is0:43:29 becoming well established i was five six0:43:32 years now and there are thousands of0:43:34 members0:43:34 many of them are very vocal if you go to0:43:36 the websites where is the arabic0:43:38 obviously but if you see their website0:43:40 there are many many of their market0:43:42 sizing governments that take a very0:43:43 strong position they're discussing0:43:44 issues of sharia issues of apida issues0:43:47 of philosophy so they are i think they0:43:49 are graduating to all directions so they0:43:51 can't be hired maybe at a relatively0:43:53 reduced cost to translate some of these0:43:55 things but still these people are having0:43:57 to feed their children and wives and0:43:58 children so they have to have salaries0:44:00 they have to work so any respectable0:44:02 book of like three four hundred pages0:44:04 would cost easily0:44:06 five ten thousand pounds for translation0:44:08 minimum if not more0:44:10 you can't go to those translators of0:44:12 course and so on they will kill you by0:44:14 twenty thousand thirty thousand one who0:44:16 doesn't like a whole sale job at a0:44:18 reasonable price i tried the book of0:44:20 three for example our translation for0:44:22 half of it0:44:23 which we get after sheep because i have0:44:25 a friend in egypt to hire people and0:44:28 organize them and was following with0:44:29 them up0:44:30 and it cost about four thousand pounds0:44:33 which elsewhere of course is 15 000 but0:44:35 the problem is that the translation0:44:37 level was they remember i've edited it0:44:40 x amount of times until we got really0:44:42 fed up and bought it was so bad in some0:44:44 places that i start with a file0:44:46 read one two three paragraphs and then0:44:48 i'm so disgusted that i closed it and0:44:50 then don't come with us several months0:44:52 if the translation is good you wouldn't0:44:54 have the desire to do one file0:44:57 in a few days another file would have0:44:58 that finished editing in few weeks and0:45:00 months it took us five six years0:45:03 every time i see how bad it is i'm so0:45:06 disgusted that i close it and i forget0:45:08 about four months0:45:14 in some place even they deliberately0:45:23 what they do they tend that no into yes0:45:26 the sentence is reversed and0:45:28 180 degrees0:45:30 deliberately0:45:33 so you cannot trust even translator who0:45:35 change your statement to the opposite to0:45:37 the opposite0:45:38 if there's a knot he removes the knot0:45:42 there's two boys0:45:44 with 500:46:07 didn't i tell you you should go to0:46:08 someone who translate pornography who is0:46:10 for money he may be better than islam0:46:27 one day they would know that being said0:46:29 you don't need to put your name just0:46:30 translated by some committee of0:46:31 translation no no no they will come to0:46:34 know and then the jamaa will be in bad0:46:36 trouble and will have difficulty no0:46:37 sorry i can't and they tried with0:46:39 several who whom you0:46:53 yeah we have edited it over five six0:46:55 years until we got disgusted from there0:46:57 is it is it probably the language or the0:46:58 concepts are lost as well0:47:00 part of the concepts part of the0:47:01 language is so miserable it says0:47:04 there's even i think if it was someone0:47:07 who said try the google translation0:47:08 maybe it's better yeah0:47:11 google is a bit far away you can't0:47:13 automatically drop myself0:47:15 there's still another volume no google0:47:17 translate maybe a text for a contract or0:47:20 something this is effort coming out of0:47:21 egypt which is like anti-salafi they had0:47:24 this 200-page book which just recently0:47:26 because in arabic it's been recently0:47:27 translated into english0:47:28 which one it's going along with this0:47:30 whole kind of0:47:31 liberal0:47:32 thing that's going on in the uk0:47:34 but they're exposing like fatah0:47:39 some of the really bad stuff yeah the0:47:41 stuff which seems a bit extreme0:47:42 so it's coming as the kind of you know0:47:44 the moderator yeah because other things0:47:46 that's good it's actually a there's a0:47:47 big effort coming up yeah so translated0:47:49 because the people are disgusted because0:47:51 government base is the thing but it's0:47:54 there is there's a basic nonslaughter0:47:57 as imam malek said when one was asked0:47:59 for someone that0:48:01 is faction fighting against other0:48:04 factions at his time i think someone0:48:05 fighting against that abbasi so don't0:48:08 participate in these fights just stay0:48:10 inside and say may allah destroy the0:48:13 unjust by the unjust and keep me safe0:48:15 out of them so let the unjust and the0:48:18 deviants fight against each other that's0:48:20 that's also not bad but there's a man0:48:22 because they started the campaign0:48:24 against the juventu because they were0:48:25 the friends of the rivalry when the0:48:26 taliban became known very soon obedient0:48:29 they started they said how we can attack0:48:31 the taliban and the only way0:48:39 so what to do they started the campaign0:48:41 against that they went here and they0:48:42 have and they got all the negatives of0:48:44 han if you rather have and there's a0:48:46 book about that and that was in 97 980:48:50 and uh somebody scholar he said complain0:48:53 to me what to do i said give me the book0:48:54 i will write inshallah reply to it no no0:48:56 no we don't want to offend this old0:48:58 regime for the time being we have we0:49:00 want to keep the bridges like0:49:02 the head of malawi because there's a0:49:03 famous saying while we say if there0:49:05 would have been a hair between me and0:49:06 the people it will never break if they0:49:08 pull i will ease if there is i will put0:49:10 so it's always under reasonable tension0:49:14 and they call it0:49:29 a button and analyze it because i know0:49:31 the people mentality and what's in0:49:32 america and they and they're still0:49:34 hoping that the saudi regime would be0:49:37 kind to them one day and they were this0:49:39 is unbelievable and then they were very0:49:41 hurt0:49:42 about the campaign0:49:43 said the campaign is not against you as0:49:44 that humanity convinced to have a base0:49:46 to jump against tariba because taliban0:49:48 was not over i think0:49:50 what they said taliban would give us0:49:52 bilateral in 1898 99 and so0:49:56 the book came at that time yeah it was0:49:58 98 99 not 97 but the 1097 there was0:50:01 still good vote about 90 at nine times0:50:03 then things started coming source0:50:05 and then immediately came out who does0:50:07 he translate into some of the museums0:50:09 have massive capabilities in these who0:50:11 is the translator for0:50:13 the the abdomen the one who wrote hadith0:50:16 literature0:50:18 he wrote it in english that's the0:50:19 original one oh okay yeah it was a phd0:50:22 in cambridge in english0:50:25 then he translated then bethlehem0:50:26 himself or some other people but this is0:50:28 a obviously a purely a purely academic0:50:31 work this is muhammad al-qatani no this0:50:35 is uh0:50:37 muhammad ali hamdu0:50:39 the one who got i think the first or the0:50:41 second king first surprise0:50:43 for islamic0:50:46 studies0:50:47 because he discussed0:50:49 the gold sir0:50:52 which i once mentioned casually said0:50:54 that shaq and0:50:56 and0:50:57 after guru see i started the shock they0:50:58 said0:50:59 the muslims they have this strange0:51:01 narration had that had that under these0:51:02 chains0:51:03 which is unique0:51:05 has its own internal logic0:51:07 so0:51:09 they say0:51:11 that0:51:12 gives a reasonable description of0:51:14 history like in syria so syria is valid0:51:16 is okay so they took zero on board0:51:19 but the hadith which are bits and pieces0:51:21 describing law or0:51:24 moral injunctions or akida issues0:51:28 these are wholesale fabricated0:51:31 and0:51:32 the the motivation for that i think i0:51:34 once mentioned if you remember missions0:51:36 the motivation for that is very clear0:51:37 because if they0:51:38 they but they said that indirectly said0:51:41 because it's impossible0:51:43 for this slow body because we know at0:51:45 the time of halifa already there's a0:51:46 huge body of law0:51:48 available it could fill volumes0:51:52 abu hanifa is in the generation of uh0:51:54 let's say0:51:55 he's actually minor he has seen a0:51:57 anastasia as he was a boy and he's so0:52:00 unsubmarked but he did not take anything0:52:01 for him so you could see a his right but0:52:03 let us be liberal and say is it does not0:52:05 study at any time0:52:09 in the third level0:52:12 because we have0:52:14 a table0:52:25 traditional name for international law0:52:28 how to behave with the enemy at war0:52:30 and0:52:31 booty collection and distribution and0:52:33 all action of war and whatever someone0:52:35 crosses the border without permission of0:52:37 the imam he get detained how to release0:52:39 him all of these things are there0:52:42 and that's the reason mohammed shayvan0:52:43 is regarded the founder of international0:52:45 law because of this book and his uh his0:52:47 statue immediately status in in0:52:50 switzerland in front i think of the0:52:51 united nations or some other institution0:52:53 over there0:52:54 so this huge body of law0:52:57 in the year 100 hundred fifty because of0:53:00 honey for that hundred fifty and hundred0:53:02 thousand hundred eighties are 150 1600:53:04 this already has such a huge body of law0:53:07 developed0:53:08 and all of that body of law mostly0:53:11 referred to a hadith of their prophet0:53:13 that's what the world's here were0:53:14 thinking0:53:16 but it's impossible for this building0:53:18 who is mentally deranged or risen with0:53:20 this kid liar in mecca who have all0:53:22 these utterances0:53:24 there's no way0:53:25 so this body of law must have been taken0:53:27 from the local customs from the roman0:53:30 law from the persian law0:53:33 jewish law talmud and so on0:53:36 and0:53:37 to give it a justification and to give0:53:38 it the ideological strength they0:53:40 fabricated hadith wholesale and referred0:53:43 back to their messenger0:53:44 so our our0:53:46 our0:53:47 agenda should be to prove that all these0:53:49 hadith0:53:51 and all majority and the overwhelming0:53:52 majority are fabricated0:53:54 wholesale application and they took0:53:56 things like the white had that meaning0:53:58 it's oral it's kind of it has not been0:54:00 written down et cetera et cetera which0:54:02 you know it is nonsense although it is0:54:04 stationarity down in the time of sahaba0:54:06 and transferred most of it by writing0:54:08 from writing and there's the reason you0:54:09 find something0:54:11 things which are networks have been0:54:15 that can't all fashion because this is0:54:16 the pronunciation is so different it0:54:18 can't be without conversation but the0:54:19 word hadas because the scholar insisted0:54:21 that0:54:22 you have to read the book through the0:54:24 sheikh0:54:24 and he has to approve it or he reads to0:54:26 you and you have to transcribe it they0:54:28 insist on the reading it's not only just0:54:30 a transcription and writing conception0:54:32 writing became prevalent later when the0:54:34 books were it was established under0:54:36 publishing industry was well established0:54:39 and0:54:40 fram but earlier it has to be done this0:54:42 way otherwise it's weak0:54:44 so as the word had that analysis0:54:49 so they misunderstood that or0:54:51 deliberately tried to misunderstood and0:54:52 use it as an argument to undermine the0:54:54 confidence of weak muslim sword and this0:54:56 was only in the 19th century where0:54:58 muslims were in the bottom of their0:55:00 historic decline after several centuries0:55:02 of decline0:55:05 so0:55:06 uh and that was the campaign of god see0:55:08 her and that shah came and tried to0:55:10 verify that father and strengthen it0:55:15 make sure that their arguments are all0:55:17 faulty0:55:18 and showed with counter exam because0:55:20 they mentioned example of this and0:55:22 issues of crossover etc and0:55:25 doubtful doubt doubtful doubts about0:55:27 reliability etcetera you show that they0:55:29 are all invalid in his0:55:31 his landmark uh study of uh0:55:37 the title itself is called i think0:55:46 studies0:55:57 is really coming from the prophet or0:55:58 most of it reliably0:56:00 then we have to admit that he's a0:56:02 prophet0:56:03 they call all syria all other0:56:05 information we have that he's an0:56:06 illiterate man he has no interaction0:56:08 with jews and christians0:56:10 even if you met some of them0:56:11 accidentally on the street that's not0:56:13 what the way you you gain the knowledge0:56:15 of all the0:56:16 the talmud for example0:56:18 the best jewish scholars studied full0:56:20 mood for half of their life until they0:56:21 become master of it and can analyze it0:56:24 properly and apply it properly so this0:56:26 is this is clearly not the case0:56:29 for muhammad ali there's no way even if0:56:31 he met some monks one which is not true0:56:33 the story about meeting baha'i is a0:56:34 fabrication every fabrication0:56:36 but even that's true0:56:38 meeting one morning or a couple of days0:56:40 and and your life will not make your0:56:41 squad that this is0:56:58 to show that all this this this massive0:57:02 intellectual0:57:03 structure0:57:05 is based on roman persian0:57:08 jewish law0:57:11 not not one that one has been narrated0:57:13 from the prophet so we don't need to0:57:15 wonder about his prophethood because0:57:16 there's nothing coming from him except0:57:17 that he was having some battle campaigns0:57:19 he invaded few villages took some0:57:22 prisoners of war exchanged few treaties0:57:25 that's all just like any governor0:57:27 who got lucky and have some idiots0:57:29 believe in him that's all but if all0:57:31 that body of knowledge comes back from0:57:33 him then we are not real trouble0:57:34 to understand what what this man is all0:57:36 about what's it hearing and that's the0:57:38 agenda0:57:41 but we know that this is that's this0:57:42 can't be it's just simply observed0:57:44 because there's no way that the sealer0:57:46 can be authentic you know its main0:57:49 structure without the hadith being in0:57:51 its main structure authentic0:57:54 that's just contradictory because they0:57:56 are narrated the same way so why should0:57:58 this be authentic why should narration0:58:00 that he went out to0:58:01 uh0:58:02 out of medina fought0:58:05 but0:58:06 another nation with the same is not0:58:07 saying he said0:58:09 be generous to your neighbor why should0:58:11 this be authenticated0:58:13 there must be some mischief there there0:58:16 must be some good rational ground to0:58:17 attribute that either both are authentic0:58:19 or both0:58:20 with certain reasonable probability well0:58:22 nothing with certitudes and so on that0:58:23 needs further then we have this i had it0:58:25 narrated by various channels from0:58:27 various people living in various like0:58:28 avami showed for example various aha0:58:31 with their change of narrations and how0:58:34 and this0:58:34 chain is completely egyptian this chain0:58:36 is completely coffee this chain is0:58:38 completely bustling uh there's do not0:58:40 meet accepted even sometimes the0:58:41 different sahabi wants a heavy circle0:58:43 and each of the sahabi says0:58:47 it's just0:58:48 just modern absurdity to claim that's0:58:50 all wholesale fabricated or most of it0:58:52 and this most of it is already0:58:54 and if you deny both then you are having0:58:56 a vacuum in history so how what happened0:58:58 then how suddenly0:59:00 a bunch of guys come to arabia and0:59:02 demolish two empires come on people0:59:05 and they claim they have a prophet and0:59:06 so there must be something behind that0:59:08 what's it0:59:09 you get stuck0:59:11 and they tell you that wizard there was0:59:12 five between his people he immigrated0:59:14 from a city to another why should they0:59:16 invent that story0:59:19 what's their motivation they are0:59:20 victorious they demolish the empires why0:59:22 should they fabricate stories0:59:24 that are originally oppressed and so0:59:26 what's the reason for that why should0:59:27 they give themselves a moral0:59:29 justification0:59:30 jing is0:59:32 did not do that they want to combine0:59:34 people because they want to occupy they0:59:36 want to loot other countries very simple0:59:37 they do not invent any moral stories no0:59:40 so why specifically when you get stuck0:59:43 how to understand what's happening in0:59:44 the universe0:59:46 the same problem0:59:49 so the claim of wholesale fabrication0:59:51 like also the quran which we discussed0:59:53 today0:59:53 will backfire against you with the other0:59:55 hand the whole way we don't know if0:59:56 that's all is fabricated then they could0:59:59 have sat and dropped in the quran by1:00:00 themselves maybe this muhammad never1:00:02 existed that1:00:04 nothing in history makes any sense1:00:05 anymore1:00:07 and we have to try to doubt that what1:00:09 our parents telling us about1:00:10 grandparents is just pure fabrication1:00:12 and they never existed possibly they1:00:14 must have existed biologically but who1:00:16 are they1:00:17 maybe they are chinese1:00:20 oh man chinese because of the facial1:00:22 fishes we don't see how the genetics1:00:24 work but maybe they claim they'll be1:00:26 from by job maybe they're from south1:00:28 india maybe they claim to be from1:00:29 disgust but they are from a low caste1:00:31 they're covering up for whatever reason1:00:33 all of this is possible nothing has1:00:35 become reliable whole history becomes1:00:37 questionable1:00:38 but it will contradict yourself because1:00:40 some of the history leaves traces1:00:41 material traces like british going to1:00:43 india and occupying it nobody can1:00:45 the traces are still there so they were1:00:47 there so what about these stories how1:00:49 much is authentic and unauthorized you1:00:50 go back and forth and you end that1:00:52 things will corroborate each other way1:00:54 in such a way that the majority of the1:00:56 narrations are valid only few marriages1:00:58 are publicated that's the way it works1:01:00 it doesn't work otherwise that's the way1:01:02 it works everywhere in every any1:01:04 narrative1:01:06 or social type science of science1:01:11 is there any way to root out these1:01:13 fabricated1:01:16 yeah well no because the whole size1:01:18 already1:01:20 it doesn't mean that that1:01:22 some have been for example1:01:24 the first step is to see the the1:01:26 narration chain and the reliability1:01:28 that's the first stage they don't have1:01:30 that that was one reason for the1:01:32 orienters to be shocked there because1:01:33 they don't have any previous example in1:01:35 their history what they have they have1:01:37 books from books from books classical1:01:39 transcribed1:01:40 and they have luckily for the new1:01:42 testament and the old testament they1:01:44 have original manuscripts original with1:01:47 the original parchment and so on which1:01:48 are quite old kept by the church like1:01:51 going to 400 after christ and so forth1:01:54 and there may be bits and pieces found1:01:56 dug in egypt and so on like one sheet1:01:57 two sheets half scroll of some like one1:02:00 paragraph two paragraphs which you can1:02:02 corroborate with other things1:02:04 but the oldest you can go is with these1:02:06 books is the1:02:08 until maybe three to four hundred of the1:02:10 color is 300 maybe1:02:12 bits like one paragraph half a sheet1:02:16 half a sentence because the the1:02:18 thermites have eaten some of the1:02:19 parchment and so on but so you can1:02:21 compare and see the wedding is the same1:02:23 so we can assume we have it has been1:02:25 transcribed more or less reasonably but1:02:27 the oldest you can get back that in1:02:30 physical form1:02:32 is uh1:02:34 150 after christ1:02:36 this is a huge gap this is regeneration1:02:40 this is a real problem it's a real1:02:42 problem to overcome1:02:44 because in that time1:02:47 there's no no no change at all and no no1:02:50 physical and even the transcribing for1:02:52 example1:02:54 in the clearest example if you look at1:02:55 the international version is it here1:02:57 international version of the1:02:59 of the bible in the new testament for1:03:01 example in mark1:03:05 the oldest copies of mark available one1:03:07 of the oldest or two of the oldest1:03:09 copies available to go maybe to the1:03:10 second century of the fifth century they1:03:12 don't contain the last1:03:14 chapter which described the crucifixion1:03:17 and the destruction so it ends1:03:20 with the i think with the with the last1:03:22 million gethsemane no mention of1:03:25 detention or crucifixion or anything1:03:27 like that1:03:29 but this was so bugging for many people1:03:31 later so they could not how can a gospel1:03:33 not ending with that which is essential1:03:35 so someone abridged it somewhere from1:03:38 matthew and put it at the end of mark1:03:40 but we have old copies which are lacking1:03:42 that one which shows1:03:44 the famous story about whoever without1:03:47 sin should stone here about the story of1:03:48 the altars woman in in john1:03:51 in the oldest human script is missing1:03:53 it's a lethal addition1:03:56 so that's the best they have old copies1:03:59 and transcription from but also they1:04:01 know that the written transcription1:04:03 process is not 100 reliable there will1:04:05 be mistakes in transcription but they1:04:06 can be wrote it out and so so that's the1:04:08 best change they have is that coming1:04:10 from coming1:04:12 they say that themselves as well yeah1:04:14 so the best they can if you find a very1:04:16 old copy and we have complete bibles1:04:18 going to the fourth century1:04:20 we have like they founded the church1:04:23 in scenery they found very old very one1:04:25 very old codex complete one in parchment1:04:29 in this skin and that thing arises very1:04:32 well with the existing nowadays with1:04:34 small maybe1:04:35 modification which indicates that some1:04:37 some scribes have made a mistake but can1:04:39 be easily corrected this is not a major1:04:40 problem this is well known this is this1:04:42 is not an issue that's the best1:04:45 muslim they have this change going1:04:46 through the muslim that was a shock for1:04:48 us because they don't have that1:04:51 so there was a shock if we accept that1:04:52 the system authentic or valid then we1:04:54 are undermining our own old history1:04:57 because we don't have anything similar1:04:58 but this is the reality that's the1:04:59 reality that all what they have is these1:05:01 books going through the hundred fifty1:05:02 hundred hundred two hundred something1:05:04 that's the best they can have for for1:05:06 the1:05:07 uh and some some epistle of of1:05:11 of uh1:05:13 paul they are more reserved and they go1:05:15 even older so the oldest they have1:05:17 actually only the epistles of paul but1:05:20 gospels themselves are much later so1:05:23 this is a problem if the main source of1:05:24 your religion the master source is later1:05:27 than secondary sources would be any1:05:29 problem but that's what they have so1:05:30 that's the reason they have all these1:05:32 confusions these issues ongoing still1:05:34 and will never settle but in the case of1:05:36 islam it's not like that case we have1:05:38 that1:05:39 and secondly there's now tons of1:05:42 evidences by all the scholarship1:05:44 work over there by the centuries of1:05:46 muslim scholars by the existing1:05:48 indirect references about that even the1:05:51 majority of sahabah1:05:53 and all the targaryens with very few1:05:56 exceptions they were writing down so1:05:57 that's what that had that has not been1:05:59 its order it's really written and1:06:00 dictated so we have1:06:02 but but it is we don't need because the1:06:04 verification process makes you1:06:06 independent from the original copy you1:06:07 don't need the job in your hand because1:06:09 even the latest copy1:06:11 will synchronize with that and this can1:06:12 be done for example verified on1:06:14 on the major hadith like for example1:06:17 we have copies physical copies from the1:06:20 fourth islamic century and the fifth1:06:22 four hundred fifty five hundred that's1:06:23 available and mr buddha nils where1:06:25 perfect copies very beautiful opening1:06:28 with different inks different colors1:06:30 putting very very straight balls here1:06:32 red and the blue and black1:06:34 and then we have the1:06:36 the most recent one which has been1:06:37 printed in the territory1:06:41 based on narratives other narratives if1:06:44 you compare them1:06:45 no1:06:46 no significant any difference exactly1:06:48 the same1:06:51 so we have the transcription process and1:06:53 writing is reliable and then before the1:06:55 writing we have then the verification1:06:56 process of the scholars of hadith which1:06:58 is has proven by1:07:00 claustrophobic to be very good and1:07:02 extremely reliable1:07:06 so there's there's no way out1:07:09 and the whole1:07:11 wholesale rejection completely will make1:07:13 history impossible that's the even the1:07:14 originals did not do that because they1:07:16 said the seerah is good1:07:18 while muslims gonna say the syria is1:07:20 good in general's1:07:22 framework but not in fine details1:07:24 because not every chain is1:07:26 narrated properly to the last dot1:07:30 we know that1:07:31 when he escaped makkah his friends spent1:07:33 a couple of days two three days in the1:07:34 in the cave of thor we know that but it1:07:36 was in the cave there was a pigeon which1:07:38 have laid eggs or was it was a spider1:07:41 web1:07:43 maybe maybe not1:07:45 it's not that reliably narrated but he1:07:47 was in the caves he hit their few days1:07:49 they didn't detect him scale because he1:07:51 had rich madina demolished crash later1:07:53 so definitely did not get him and killed1:07:55 him there it's very clear1:07:57 what's the fine point of that we don't1:07:58 know but then which way he took he took1:08:01 always away or halfway not a standard1:08:03 way so the prosecutor persecution could1:08:05 not find him we know that1:08:08 but which weight is exactly which values1:08:10 he crossed because the narration1:08:11 mentions that well1:08:12 who cares about such five points1:08:14 no no way no law is connected with that1:08:17 but it's also narrated the names of the1:08:19 valleys they crossed and so on1:08:21 along the hedgerow there were various1:08:23 stories and so on1:08:26 some of them were really live like for1:08:27 example he met a zebra coming from syria1:08:29 in a in a business trip1:08:32 and he has some new clothes in high1:08:34 school so he gave them new clothes for1:08:36 abu1:08:40 because he was engaged1:08:41 to us1:08:44 his prophet so he gave them two or three1:08:46 peaceful clothes so they were closed1:08:47 nightly when they entered you know1:08:49 that's narrated viably and things like1:08:51 that1:08:52 and what's the reason for anyone to1:08:54 invent that story1:08:56 it looks like a national incident is a1:08:58 business man is coming from syria1:09:00 meeting them near medina and giving them1:09:02 these as a gift and then going for1:09:04 makkah to finish his business completely1:09:06 normal nothing specially exciting there1:09:09 as it should be and so on1:09:11 so following things logically and how do1:09:13 you synchronize you will have1:09:15 a glimpse how history has worked and the1:09:17 same way you follow the other narration1:09:19 about hakka and many of the hands are1:09:22 synchronized with battle campaigns and1:09:24 so on so they could circulate as well1:09:26 or you deny all history then there will1:09:28 be a problem even in in for the quran1:09:31 just to1:09:33 verify that the quran is authentic the1:09:34 same problem because they will give we1:09:36 will deny that1:09:38 but that's1:09:39 the bulk of history is tabuta1:09:41 and the bulk of hadith1:09:45 substantially also1:09:47 so you get stuck with the problem1:09:50 what remains is few hadith which have1:09:52 issues with it is not and then after1:09:54 that one who passed it's not very few1:09:56 have issues with matan with the text1:09:58 there's no problem who said the word1:10:00 will collapse they find for example if1:10:03 they say there's a hadith in bukhari1:10:05 about adam being for example 60 feet 601:10:07 cubits in the sky seems to be absorbed1:10:10 okay fine let us verify we check it1:10:12 check that all the hadith go to one1:10:14 narrator1:10:18 this jewish scholar was going around1:10:21 either he1:10:23 innocently or deliberately spreading1:10:25 various stories about the old testament1:10:27 and maybe this one of the old testament1:10:29 and it interfered in a writer's mind as1:10:32 if it's a hadith national problem what's1:10:34 the big fuss1:10:36 if we can't prove that1:10:37 or we can substantiate that that there's1:10:40 no physical evidence for that being 601:10:42 cubit in there which is obviously1:10:44 numbers we know the graves are no1:10:46 unless we claim adam was a dinosaur or1:10:48 something against that obviously then1:10:53 a metaphor would be no tamar would be a1:10:54 metaphor for the diana so that is maybe1:10:56 another another issue1:10:58 if we assume that's a metaphorical1:11:00 expression that adam is just another1:11:02 metaphoric expression for the dinosaurs1:11:03 that's fine i have no problem with that1:11:05 would be good for darwin no problem with1:11:06 that but either this one or this one but1:11:08 it cannot be like a face value that adam1:11:10 as we know with both two legs and head1:11:13 like us could have been 60 feet 601:11:15 cubits in in in this car so that had it1:11:18 must be invalidable i must be confused1:11:19 at this one point in this narration and1:11:22 this hearing from someone else he1:11:24 thought he heard it from the rocket1:11:25 which can happen to the best narrators1:11:27 and the best memorizer in the world it1:11:29 happens to every one of us that we think1:11:30 we hit that from exit actually we need1:11:32 it from what1:11:33 along our life we have many things1:11:36 more reliable and more stronger than1:11:38 that but few things like that could1:11:39 interfere in his mind and go so of1:11:41 course this hadith because of this1:11:42 discussion that's it1:11:44 but does not mean that1:11:48 these only things which we think have1:11:50 been taken from the people of the book1:11:51 or being influenced1:12:07 innocently by interference in their mind1:12:08 okay there was some jew she was there1:12:10 narrating these stories and the people1:12:12 were1:12:13 obviously that was the knowledge of1:12:14 their time like we hear now the nice1:12:16 stories that what about science and1:12:18 technology and so on and hear them that1:12:20 is the science of our time at that time1:12:22 it was another science uh1:12:24 the main science was the the generation1:12:26 reviewed the book and the1:12:28 amazing stories about the old prophets1:12:30 and new hampshire and so on most of it1:12:33 imaginary has no historic reliability1:12:36 fine that was the sense of their time1:12:38 some of it many tattooed in their mind1:12:39 and they think they i get it from the1:12:41 prophet they didn't know that's okay but1:12:43 if it comes about or something like that1:12:45 or1:12:46 there's no reason to think this is wrong1:12:49 or reason to believe that's correct1:12:51 but this is genuinely islamic husband to1:12:53 the people of the books that's the way1:12:54 to go and you analyze1:12:57 textual create criticism that's the way1:12:59 to go for the text but after finishing1:13:01 this not first it's not first1:13:04 then1:13:05 verifying which habit was if it's only1:13:07 one sahabi and the one who is known to1:13:09 be friend with some people in the book1:13:11 then we put a question mark and then we1:13:12 analyze further1:13:14 and then we go for example1:13:17 himself the books of the ruler book and1:13:19 he was capable of reading them and said1:13:21 that he was even having his own class1:13:22 about them and many of the few were1:13:24 coming from say don't read us from these1:13:26 books give us what they asked from the1:13:27 prophet but1:13:29 wrote everything down so he was reading1:13:31 from his writing1:13:33 that's the reason no hadith coming to1:13:35 him lifted to the prophet has anything1:13:37 which is israel there he has plenty of1:13:39 israelites separately but he tells them1:13:41 others say his story or has his point of1:13:43 view but that are the same with the1:13:45 abbas but the one lifted to the prophet1:13:47 are clean and1:13:49 no problem don't have even that with the1:13:50 60 cubits or anything not nothing1:13:53 similar to that like what what went in a1:13:54 ball out of his mind1:13:56 so with this one we can't criticize text1:13:59 and analyze them and cross-reference1:14:01 them1:14:01 if needed1:14:03 yeah if needed only if there's a reason1:14:06 to to analyze and contradict like1:14:08 scientific reason like another another1:14:10 issues1:14:11 but that's just meaning ultimately we1:14:13 end like maybe from abroad we have maybe1:14:16 five or ten hadith which maybe have1:14:18 interfered in his mind with the1:14:20 prophetic out of five thousand1:14:23 who cares there's nothing1:14:25 and maybe this sahabi may go one or two1:14:27 this one may be one1:14:31 and it's only probably because of what i1:14:32 said he had never said you're all i'm1:14:34 saying that's interference in his mind1:14:36 but for example the story which we1:14:38 discussed the time for us of the1:14:40 university we say1:14:42 that was what he heard from the arabs1:14:43 which he said that's what he hear from1:14:45 them it's just nonsense1:14:47 narrated by1:14:48 by pagan arabs will have just1:14:50 old stories1:14:55 yeah so that's that's the way in the1:14:58 case of really a hadith analysis and and1:15:00 collaboration and so on the way to go1:15:18 you