Disproving Ahmadiyyah with one Argument. (2019-10-10) ​

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Summary of Disproving Ahmadiyyah with one Argument. ​

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discusses how Ahmadiyyah Muslims are susceptible to violence or oppression because of their beliefs. It argues that prophecies are not a good measure of a prophet's truthfulness, and that Ahmadiyyah prophecies are false because they are self-serving and contain ambiguities.

00:00:00 argues that Ahmadiyya Muslims are susceptible to violence or oppression because of their beliefs, and that prophecies are not a good measure of a prophet's truthfulness.

• 00:05:00 of the YouTube video explains how prophecies can be tested by looking at two examples: one where the prophet said that a kindly treatment would be given to a family if they accepted a proposal, and another where the prophet said that a man would die within two and a half years of marrying a woman. argues that, based on these examples, the prophet was not telling the truth about the future.
• 00:10:00 Discusses a number of Ahmadiyyah prophecies, disproving them one by one. argues that Ahmadiyyah prophecies are false because they are self-serving and contain ambiguities. He also argues that Ahmadiyyah is not a Muslim sect, as it does not adhere to the basic principles of Islam.
• 00:15:00 a Muslim disproofs Ahmadiyyah by citing Quranic passages and Hadith. He argues that Ahmadiyyah is false because its adherents believe in things that are contrary to what the Prophet Mohammed and his companions believed. However, he also notes that Sunnis believe in Muhammad as the final prophet, and that they understand his teachings linguistically.

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0:00:00 Salam alaikum warahmatullahi what I care0:00:02 - how are you guys doing and this is a0:00:04 short video hopefully which is meant to0:00:07 elucidate our brothers and humanity from0:00:11 the at midi community of course we0:00:14 understand that the ahmadiyya community0:00:16 is a small community of about ten0:00:19 million people worldwide according to0:00:21 statistics and then we also understand0:00:23 that they because of that because of0:00:26 that may be susceptible to kind of0:00:29 violence or oppression all these things0:00:31 Wow so the first thing we should0:00:33 actually sell by saying is that whenever0:00:36 you see people who who are susceptible0:00:40 to those things we should be careful not0:00:42 to twist you know ideological points of0:00:45 contention theological points of0:00:47 contention which I'm going to raise in0:00:48 fact in this video to religious violence0:00:52 or oppression or anything like that so0:00:55 that's that's a disclaimer that I want0:00:56 to make and just for those who don't0:00:58 understand who and what the Atman is aa0:01:02 the admin is are a group of people who0:01:04 believe in the Quran the veracity of the0:01:06 Quran and they actually even believe in0:01:09 the son now the you know the the0:01:11 literature of the Muslims of the Sunni0:01:14 Muslims like Bukhari Muslim etc and what0:01:18 they also believe which is what0:01:19 separates them from the main body of0:01:21 Sunni Islam and Shia Islam the fact that0:01:25 there was a prophet that came after they0:01:26 call him what I'm Ahmed now this man was0:01:28 a man who was born 1835 and died in 19080:01:32 and was in British occupied India at0:01:36 that time now I'm not gonna go to0:01:38 conspiracy theories about him lazing and0:01:40 conspiring with the British it of course0:01:42 this is the main stream kind of0:01:44 narrative within Sunni circles which is0:01:47 that you know he was conspiring with a0:01:49 British or he was enacting the British0:01:51 will in that you know he kind of unquiet0:01:57 eyes the the obligation of jihad0:02:01 physical fighting back because the0:02:04 British at that time they had an agenda0:02:07 of course to to0:02:11 do you militarize if you like the0:02:14 aggressing military elements of the0:02:17 indian colonial people's that's that's a0:02:21 conspiracy i will call it or it could be0:02:23 true0:02:23 i'm not going into the details of this0:02:25 now because it's not my area of interest0:02:27 at this point in time but it's important0:02:30 just to know what kind of narratives are0:02:32 out there now here's what I do want to0:02:34 say what you think is very important how0:02:37 do we know a profit is a profit this is0:02:39 a good question0:02:40 okay how do we know a profit is a profit0:02:41 now in the Islamic tradition I've0:02:43 already made the argument that from a0:02:45 completely textual basis that they0:02:48 cannot be seen to be any profit that0:02:49 comes after Prophet Muhammad why because0:02:52 of the versions of lab where he's0:02:54 referred to as hot and hot in the0:02:56 beginning so that he's the scene of the0:03:00 profits point is also the final prophet0:03:02 now linguists and professor hoon0:03:04 exegetes of the Quran through all of0:03:06 history have said that this means that0:03:08 he is the final prophet the Prophet0:03:09 himself said in Buhari0:03:11 in many different anyway I have in fact0:03:13 different narrations that let it be0:03:15 about me there's no prophet afternoon0:03:16 now this is the strongest argument and0:03:18 there are many arguments which are0:03:19 subsidiary to those arguments we shall0:03:21 meet to show that there cannot be a0:03:24 prophet after prophet Muhammad from an0:03:26 Islamic perspective however there's an0:03:28 argument I want to make today which is a0:03:30 different kind of argument you see well0:03:32 I'm with himself who as we've said was0:03:35 quite modern man in terms of his0:03:36 political placement0:03:38 he says the following he says that to0:03:41 draw to judge my truthfulness or lies0:03:43 there is no better test than prophesies0:03:46 and he also said let it be known to the0:03:49 unbelieving persons that my truthfulness0:03:51 or false will be judged on my prophecies0:03:53 there is no other touchstone for it and0:03:56 of course I'm going to provide an0:03:58 article with all of the references for0:04:02 these things that he said so what he's0:04:04 saying is and this is mentioned just0:04:09 mentioned you know0:04:17 in Boots where I will show you the0:04:20 evidences for the references for those0:04:23 particular quotations I just came as I'm0:04:26 finding those quotations what I'm gonna0:04:27 say is that I believe that what a madman0:04:29 is actually right these points in fact0:04:32 it is a good point to make that0:04:34 prophecies are wise required for example0:04:36 those two things to judge my0:04:38 truthfulness of lives is no business and0:04:40 prophecies is mentioned in a book called0:04:42 rahani Mazzini the volume 19 page 288 is0:04:47 also let it be known to the unbelieving0:04:49 persons that my truthfulness or false0:04:51 winters am uneasy there is no better0:04:53 touchstone for it is in Amenas he mocked0:04:55 he Islam page 208 of these references I0:04:59 will provide in an article which I'm0:05:02 basing it on this research on now having0:05:05 said that he's saying basically my0:05:06 prophecies which is my predictions of0:05:08 the future this is the touchstone to0:05:11 know if I'm truthful and I think this is0:05:12 a very fair test because if someone is0:05:14 being divinely inspired if someone is0:05:17 being divinely inspired they should be0:05:19 in fact yeah telling the truth about the0:05:22 future because if God is all-knowing he0:05:23 knows the future as well0:05:24 very fair enough and that is actually0:05:26 one of the challenges we as Muslims make0:05:28 to non-muslims that if the Prophet had0:05:31 made a prediction of the future that is0:05:33 time-bound0:05:34 for example place bound that ship have0:05:38 materialized and if it can be falsified0:05:39 this effectively falsify his prophethood0:05:42 it's a very fair enough test because no0:05:44 one knows the future for sure now I want0:05:47 to just introduce you to two prophecies0:05:48 or two or three prophecies that will I'm0:05:50 adamant made and we want to look at0:05:51 these prophecies and see was he telling0:05:53 the truth or not he says what a madman0:05:57 says in the following he says it was0:05:59 revealed to me by the Most High God that0:06:03 I should seek the hand of Ahmed begs0:06:05 Eldar eldest daughter and to tell them0:06:08 that a kindly treatment shall be dealt0:06:11 to them if they accept the proposal and0:06:13 that this marriage shall bring to them0:06:15 blessings and blissful beatitude but if0:06:18 they should refuse to do so the end of0:06:21 the girl shall be very sad0:06:23 and the man who shall marry her shall0:06:26 die0:06:26 within two and a half years and her0:06:28 father within three years from the date0:06:30 of marriage God the most high will0:06:33 remove every obstacle in the end bring0:06:36 her into marriage with me Tocqueville0:06:38 Allah saying this yeah and turn the0:06:40 irreligious people into Muslims and0:06:42 bring to guidance those who have lost0:06:45 the right path it's very clear what a0:06:49 madman is saying that he will marry this0:06:51 woman0:06:52 whose name is Mohammad II Begum yeah0:06:55 he's saying that will happen in this0:06:56 time if this doesn't happen and so on0:06:58 then we problematic now highs will jump0:07:01 on this and say well hold on he says0:07:02 that if the people repent there was a0:07:04 condition of repentance the family if0:07:06 the family doesn't repent then all these0:07:08 things will happen however even after a0:07:11 family was sending because they got a0:07:13 little bit worried actually maybe this0:07:14 guy is telling the truth the family side0:07:16 writing you know letters of apology to0:07:18 the two and so on even after that he0:07:22 reiterated so a company because of0:07:24 repentance he reiterated the same0:07:26 message she said even after they0:07:29 supposedly you know apologized and so on0:07:31 but the death of Ahmed but beg broke0:07:34 their backs and this was why they sent0:07:36 letters of apology and regret so he's0:07:38 acknowledging that they said assembly is0:07:40 of a program as they were struck by fear0:07:43 and terror in their hearts it was0:07:44 essential that God the Most High0:07:46 according to his ancient way postponed0:07:48 the day of punishment to some later time0:07:50 that is to the time when those people0:07:53 again turned back fully to another time0:07:56 of fearing and turning to God is0:07:58 displayed as proved by the whole of the0:08:00 Quran but the essence of the prophecy0:08:03 that this woman will enter into this0:08:05 marriage with me is an absolute fate0:08:08 isn't a discovery is an absolute fate0:08:11 which cannot be averted now this is0:08:14 clear even after the so-called0:08:16 repentance and apology so absolute faith0:08:18 which were which one cannot be averted0:08:20 he says so after these days when God the0:08:22 most high sees that these people's0:08:24 hearts have hardened and that they have0:08:26 not valued the few days of respite and0:08:29 relaxation given to them then he will0:08:31 turn to the fulfillment of the prophecy0:08:33 of his holy word0:08:35 so you can't say that because of all the0:08:37 family repented because here saying he's0:08:38 definitely she's been definitely to be0:08:39 married with me what did this happen0:08:45 was he ever married to Mohamed he bigger0:08:47 this is the question we have to ask0:08:49 because this was saying it's absolute0:08:50 the answer is no he never married her0:08:54 and there's no evidence like he married0:08:55 her in fact she got married to another0:08:56 man now then all those bad things happen0:08:59 to Mohammed he Begum did you know did0:09:03 Allah break their backs and so on no0:09:05 more so the question is how can his0:09:09 prophecy be wrong if he knows the future0:09:10 it seems someone may be a critical say0:09:14 this man really wanted to get married to0:09:15 this woman was using fear tactics to try0:09:19 to persuade the woman for marriage but0:09:22 that never materialized but0:09:24 unfortunately what that did is it put0:09:26 the cat in with the pigeons it put the0:09:27 spanner in with the Woodworks because0:09:29 now we can say that this is a false0:09:31 prophecy which effectively you could0:09:34 argue falsifies his whole claim to0:09:38 profit so by the way he says this and0:09:42 I'll give you the references in the0:09:44 article you can check the other comfort0:09:45 in the description box0:09:46 by the way of prophecy the exalted God0:09:49 revealed him to his number one that0:09:51 ultimately the elder daughter of Mirza0:09:53 Ahmed Beck son of menahalim Beck would0:09:57 be married to me these people will0:09:59 resort to great hostility and would put0:10:01 many obstacles in the way but in the end0:10:03 it would surely take place the exalted0:10:06 God by all possible means bring her to0:10:08 me0:10:09 whether a virgin or a widow and would0:10:11 remove all impediments and would of0:10:13 necessity to the Sun and no one will be0:10:17 able to prevent it yeah if this has been0:10:21 in the hadith literature of the Salim0:10:24 that he was saying that this is gonna0:10:26 happen I'm gonna marry this woman and he0:10:28 never did it imagine what the Orientals0:10:29 would be doing they'll be having a field0:10:31 day with this information now look at0:10:36 this0:10:36 in addition to this false prophecy yeah0:10:38 secondary one he says it is God's0:10:41 intention this is him again God's0:10:44 intention that he will bring two ladies0:10:46 in my wedlock0:10:48 one will be a virgin and the other a0:10:50 widow0:10:51 therefore this inspiration now as0:10:53 related to the version has been0:10:55 fulfilled and presented by the grace of0:10:57 God I have four sons from it this wife0:10:59 I'm still waiting for the fulfillment of0:11:01 the inspiration regarding Widow now the0:11:03 thing is what I'm not married twice most0:11:04 two versions he married twice before and0:11:07 he married - harmik Bibi and no strategy0:11:09 em bigger both of them yes both of them0:11:13 are virgins now the question is he said0:11:15 I'm gonna marry a virgin and the widow0:11:16 so wait a minute we should do it the0:11:19 other way Widow that he married well0:11:21 someone can argue well when he married0:11:23 her she was no longer a virgin okay well0:11:26 this is the when she outlived him so she0:11:28 became a widow but doesn't work like0:11:30 that because he said he'll bring him -0:11:32 no I - my wedlock eonni0:11:35 that she was in that state of being a0:11:36 widow already and then she was brought0:11:39 to my weblog not that I made her the0:11:41 widow or because of me she became a0:11:43 widow Yani0:11:44 so the two things here are interlinked0:11:46 false prophecies relating to marriage0:11:48 and so obviously someone will argue if0:11:51 there was an oriental census0:11:53 [Music]0:11:54 self-serving prophesies because you want0:11:57 to marry the Orient this will sell us0:11:59 you want to hear the problem on tomorrow0:12:00 and therefore you say you're gonna marry0:12:02 this otherwise break your back to sand0:12:03 that they would have a field day with0:12:05 this and that he did not marry and so on0:12:08 so forth by him0:12:09 so imagine if it was us as the Sunni0:12:11 Muslims will be here elated in front of0:12:14 the international community with such0:12:16 false prophecies0:12:17 moreover well I'm Ahmed said I shall die0:12:21 in Mecca or Medina and the man never0:12:24 stepped foot in Mecca or Medina what0:12:26 more do you want0:12:27 ladies and gentlemen let's read the0:12:29 whole thing are you taking out of0:12:30 context0:12:30 I don't think me brother because you0:12:32 need you so this I shall die in Mecca0:12:34 Medina means that before my death I0:12:37 shall be bestowed victory like that of0:12:39 madcap listen to this that I should say0:12:41 that the holy prophet had vanquished his0:12:43 enemies through them0:12:44 sensation of majestic signs of Allah so0:12:46 it will happen now the second meaning is0:12:48 that before my death I shall bestow the0:12:50 victory like that of Medina which means0:12:53 that people's heart will be their own0:12:55 inclined towards me the phrase God has0:12:59 decreed I and my messengers shall0:13:01 prevail points of victory like that was0:13:03 Mecca and the phrase peace is the word0:13:06 for my merciful look point to a picture0:13:07 like that of Medina wait a minute0:13:09 ten million people in the world which is0:13:10 the side the size of London as a0:13:12 religious community what Mecca Medina0:13:14 I'm sorry to say how can you even0:13:16 compare the victory of Muhammad's Allah0:13:18 as something was stretched yeah from0:13:21 Michelle a calamity never of Arabia from0:13:24 the east part the worst is the worst0:13:25 part of the West with such Yanni sorry0:13:29 to say in significant gains0:13:32 comparatively from a demographic0:13:33 perspective of Allah but then those0:13:36 don't forget hold on I told us the truth0:13:39 so the Kakadu he spoke the truth0:13:43 even though in many instances he did not0:13:45 speak the truth - he said in so saying0:13:48 he said to judge my truthful missile0:13:51 lies there is no better test than0:13:52 prophesies like we use the prophecies0:13:54 and we come to the conclusion that0:13:56 actually when you came to predicting the0:13:58 future you did a miserable job you did0:14:01 not do the right thing and therefore in0:14:04 addition to all of those evidences that0:14:07 point to the fact that problem house our0:14:08 salah is the final messenger you also0:14:10 have these clear evidences to the0:14:13 brothers to the sisters in humanity0:14:15 there are many brothers and sisters0:14:16 which claim which clearly show0:14:19 unequivocally ambiguously that Allah0:14:22 Muhammad made false prophecies with this0:14:24 legend gentlemen why I think we have to0:14:26 be humble and I apologize if I came0:14:29 across the lip of passion but it's very0:14:30 important matter if we're gonna yeah me0:14:33 leave a sort of album I'm going to leave0:14:35 the bulk of the Muslim0:14:37 body in their reasoning that remark0:14:39 system is the final perfect the question0:14:41 is there has to be some incredibly0:14:43 strong evidences neither this man show0:14:46 voilá moment that he had a revelation0:14:49 from his own words or from the0:14:52 information that is provided up on0:14:54 Amazon0:14:55 we invite the brothers and sisters in a0:14:57 comedy sect to come to a mainstream0:15:00 Islam and shot a lot to just go back to0:15:03 what the Sahaba believed him0:15:04 feminine women you meant to be for buddy0:15:07 fellow into a loafer in them at home0:15:08 Fisher Park if I say ik fecal mobilize0:15:10 the Quran says if they believe in what0:15:12 you guys believe in them they're on the0:15:13 right path and if they go away from that0:15:15 then they are in France question I just0:15:18 say to the brothers let's go back to0:15:19 what the Sahaba said on these matters0:15:20 let's see what the morph SEO Hyun said0:15:22 let's see what the exegete said for0:15:24 hundreds of years was the Prophet0:15:26 Mohammed the final prophet or not did0:15:28 they understand it linguistically as0:15:29 that I think you'll find that they did0:15:32 please consider Sunni Islam Andrew oh0:15:36 happy happy happy with open arms0:15:38 well salam alikum warahmatu allahi learn0:15:40 it