Cosmic Atheist Comes Closer ... (2021-07-22) ​

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discusses the difference between a "god" in human form and a "god" in nature. It argues that the concept of a god in human form is contradictory and irrational, and that only Islam has a rational conception of God. concludes by urging viewers to be spiritual and critical in their search for truth.

00:00:00 Cosmic Atheist comes closer to understanding the various arguments for and against the existence of god. He finds the contingency argument to be the most plausible on a surface level, but is still undecided about his position. He appreciates Mick for bringing up the contingency argument, and hopes that he does not change his mind on the matter.

• 00:05:00 Discusses the difference between a "god" in human form and a "god" in nature. It argues that the concept of a god in human form is contradictory and irrational, and that only Islam has a rational conception of God. concludes by urging viewers to be spiritual and critical in their search for truth.
• 00:10:00 The cosmic atheist argues that the relationship between humans and the necessary existence is one of submission. Everything else in creation is submitting to the will of the necessary existence, so humans must do the same if they want to be at one with nature.

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0:00:00 boxes that it raises i i think that's0:00:02 potentially more plausible0:00:04 um but my i should i should stress that0:00:06 the agnosticism the agnostic atheism0:00:08 that i currently0:00:09 possess is quite unlike the one that i0:00:12 had maybe four years ago beforehand it0:00:14 was very much the case0:00:16 that i essentially would have said like0:00:18 there aren't really any good reasons to0:00:20 think that god exists0:00:21 or at least those reasons that have been0:00:22 put forward i think don't work0:00:25 now and that is to say i was sat on the0:00:27 fence0:00:28 um because there was just there was just0:00:30 no breeze there was just no breeze to0:00:31 push me onto one side0:00:32 one side i was just sat there um now0:00:36 i'm still sad on the fence i'm still an0:00:38 agnostic atheist of some description0:00:41 but now it's more like there are equally0:00:43 uh0:00:44 beautiful breezes pushing in opposite0:00:45 directions right so i do0:00:47 think that uh the contingency argument0:00:51 for the existence of god is a strong one0:00:53 i do think that0:00:55 certain ontological arguments you know0:00:56 if there are certain quarrels like the0:00:58 one we're having now can be0:00:59 resolved like is is a good argument is0:01:02 at least a good attempt0:01:02 to prove the existence of god um i think0:01:04 that the idea of an infinite regress0:01:06 probably does lead to unacceptable0:01:08 paradoxes and so0:01:10 i would say that on its own yes0:01:13 like it's a it's a i think there's good0:01:16 reason to think that there is a0:01:17 necessary unmoved mover0:01:18 however now the agnosticism is that0:01:20 that's the breeze pushing in one0:01:21 direction0:01:22 uh but there's also now i've i've been0:01:25 more0:01:26 um uh i've i've thought a lot more and a0:01:30 lot more deeply about the breezes that0:01:31 would go in the opposite direction0:01:33 involving the problem of evil or divine0:01:34 hiddenness or animal suffering in0:01:35 particular and these kinds of things0:01:37 the potential paradox is involved in the0:01:39 necessary being arguments about modal0:01:41 fatalism for instance that we were just0:01:42 talking about0:01:43 that now pushed me in the other0:01:44 direction so on its own yeah i do i do0:01:47 i do find more plausible on a surface0:01:49 level0:01:50 um the idea of a necessary unmoved mover0:01:53 than the idea of an infinite regress of0:01:55 causes0:01:56 if you asked about it in isolation0:01:59 as you guys saw there cosmic has come to0:02:02 a good realization i believe0:02:03 which shows criticality possibly0:02:06 sincerity shows open-mindedness on his0:02:08 behalf0:02:09 that uh you know there are good reasons0:02:12 to believe in things like the0:02:12 contingency argument which as0:02:14 many of you know i've written a book0:02:15 about i'm doing my phd about0:02:17 because i personally believe it's it's0:02:20 something which is really it's0:02:21 inescapable the conclusion of it is0:02:22 inescapable almost it's irrefutable i0:02:24 believe and it's been around0:02:26 uh forms of it have been around for for0:02:28 thousands of years it's been around0:02:29 since the hellenistic period0:02:31 and then it's been kind of revamped by0:02:33 avicenna0:02:34 and then it was uh taken again by thomas0:02:36 aquinas and maimonides and musabi0:02:39 and it was taken again by leibniz and0:02:41 different forms has been0:02:42 elaborated upon and uh spoken about by0:02:45 different thinkers and0:02:46 in my estimation it's it's the least0:02:48 refuted argument for god's existence yes0:02:50 there are other arguments0:02:51 that have been used and these are kalam0:02:54 cosmological arguments0:02:55 and different types of calam0:02:56 cosmological arguments of course i've0:02:58 written a book called0:02:59 cosmological arguments if you guys are0:03:00 interested and of course0:03:02 in this in the debate i had of course0:03:04 mick i brought the contingency argument0:03:06 up now unfortunately you know0:03:09 we we couldn't really get anything from0:03:11 him as to0:03:12 by way of a refutation of the argument0:03:14 now we know he actually sees it as0:03:15 actually quite powerful argument0:03:17 which is good i'm happy that he's come0:03:19 to this conclusion it shows it shows0:03:20 maturity on his behalf educational0:03:22 maturity i really hope he doesn't change0:03:24 his mind on this and0:03:25 because that will show instability in uh0:03:28 in process and0:03:29 cognitive processes that one day you0:03:31 believe in this and that you know and0:03:32 that they believe in that0:03:33 i really hope that he sticks to his guns0:03:35 on this and he doesn't change his mind0:03:37 on his at least0:03:38 his classification of design um and also0:03:41 i would say well done0:03:42 well done to him good man that you've0:03:43 done that the things that he's actually0:03:45 mentioned0:03:46 um in terms of things that are pushing0:03:48 him in the other direction0:03:50 on his analogy or his uh language some0:03:53 the breeze that pushes the other way0:03:55 things like divine heightenedness or our0:03:57 hiddenness0:03:58 and um you know the problem of evil0:04:01 obviously it's been spoken about at0:04:02 length0:04:03 we have um videos on it you can put my0:04:05 name on youtube and put0:04:06 for example the problem of evil i've0:04:07 spoken about it at length and what is0:04:09 evil does it even exist on0:04:10 the atheistic paradigm does it even0:04:12 exist from the materialistic paradigm0:04:14 um you know and so on0:04:18 what does it mean to to say well does0:04:21 evil exist does that disprove0:04:22 in god we've had these conversations of0:04:24 course these are secondary0:04:26 considerations in my opinion these are0:04:27 secondary considerations once you've0:04:29 established0:04:30 the reality of a necessary existence0:04:31 this is more powerful than anything else0:04:33 and the fact that he's been able to do0:04:35 this is really really good and he's one0:04:37 step closer to the ultimate truth and i0:04:39 really encourage him to do that0:04:41 to move in that direction maybe what he0:04:43 said would not have been well received0:04:45 uh with with his people and this the0:04:47 people supporters and you know0:04:49 subscribers and so on but i i really0:04:52 acknowledge that this is a brave step0:04:53 forward and i hope we continue taking0:04:54 these brave step forwards well done to0:04:56 him0:04:56 um the other thing divine hiddenness or0:04:59 the fact that god is hidden from the0:05:00 people0:05:01 why is he so hidden this is something0:05:03 obviously we as muslims don't believe0:05:05 and we believe that0:05:08 that every human being is born on the0:05:10 predisposition and believing in god0:05:12 and this is something i've mentioned0:05:13 this i think even the debate i mentioned0:05:14 but i want to remind everyone of it0:05:16 it's the uh the or the predisposition is0:05:18 something which has good0:05:19 evidence by way of anthropological0:05:22 evidence and sociological evidence so0:05:24 for example justin barrett0:05:25 who in 2011 part of the oxford0:05:28 anthropological society0:05:30 uh spoke about us having an innate0:05:32 receptivity to believing in god and0:05:34 you know he done these the study that0:05:35 children before socialization0:05:37 that there's something which is kind of0:05:39 um corresponds across culture0:05:42 cross-culturally uh among children which0:05:44 is that children do have this0:05:45 receptivity0:05:46 in his words uh in a a receptivity to0:05:49 believing in a higher being0:05:50 and i say that this is this is evidence0:05:52 to the contrary of0:05:54 um which can be juxtaposed with the idea0:05:58 of uh0:06:04 hide-and-seek0:06:06 that's one thing aside i wanted to0:06:07 continue thinking about these things and0:06:09 obviously animal rights or something0:06:10 which we as muslims0:06:12 we very much we very much respect0:06:15 there's a hadith of a woman who's a0:06:17 prostitute okay0:06:18 that she gave a dog water and according0:06:21 to that she was forgiven for her sins0:06:23 for doing that0:06:23 just because she gave a dog water even0:06:25 though she's defiled herself0:06:27 in the most disgusting way possible by0:06:30 living0:06:31 not the most disgusting way possible0:06:33 doing that would be to be a polytheist0:06:35 but in a very damning way but that she0:06:38 gave that dog0:06:39 water would put her in a among the0:06:42 people that are forgiven as a dog0:06:44 and we believe that the day of judgment0:06:45 is a forum where in which all of these0:06:48 kinds of0:06:48 injustices that have been done to0:06:50 animals will be kind of um0:06:52 adjusted and in fact that is the day of0:06:54 recompense and we have a beautiful0:06:55 hadith0:06:56 um that talks about the two goats one of0:06:58 them horned goat and the other one is0:06:59 not horned0:07:00 and the one that attacked one horned0:07:02 goat the attack the other goat without0:07:04 horns0:07:05 will now get its retribution so0:07:06 everything will be0:07:08 fully uh and yeah it's true like what we0:07:10 see today and obviously we don't come to0:07:12 vegan conclusions0:07:13 but we see today by way of uh animal0:07:16 suffering so like0:07:17 we we think that that is against the sun0:07:19 against islam you know the0:07:20 cutting the beaks off the chicken and0:07:22 suffocating them and so on0:07:23 this is if the prophet was around he0:07:25 would surely have0:07:26 uh have have negated and0:07:30 refuted that kind of thing uh especially0:07:33 when we have hadith to that effect for0:07:34 example the woman who's0:07:36 who um was torturing her cat okay and0:07:40 she went to hell0:07:40 for that or she we know that she's gonna0:07:42 go to hell for that because she0:07:44 what kind of person does it take to0:07:45 really torture another innocent creature0:07:47 like a cat0:07:48 so yeah animal rights are important uh0:07:50 divine hiddenness if you think of it in0:07:52 you know in contra in contra distinction0:07:55 with the fetal you'll realize0:07:57 that the fethra of the predisposition is0:07:59 actually something which is super0:08:00 rational and um0:08:02 precedes any rational argumentation0:08:03 which is why i was thinking about this0:08:05 this verse in the quran which is a0:08:08 really beautiful verse0:08:09 and it came about in and i thought about0:08:11 pondering over it it was a0:08:13 verse that said uh0:08:23 you know if you're in any doubt as to0:08:26 the religion of islam0:08:27 my religion the prophet muhammad's0:08:29 religion not just his religion but the0:08:30 religion of moses and abraham and jesus0:08:32 and those as well then i don't worship0:08:35 other gods that you that are worshiped0:08:39 aside from god but i worship god who0:08:42 who brings us like who who takes away0:08:44 our lives and takes away our souls and0:08:46 takes away our consciousness0:08:49 this is such a powerful thing because0:08:51 really if you look at the six0:08:52 major world religions in the world today0:08:56 you'll find that islam is the only one0:08:57 with the conception of god which is also0:08:59 not only only natural but rational as0:09:01 well0:09:02 this is the reality like we don't0:09:04 believe in a man god we don't believe0:09:06 it's conceivable or intelligible0:09:08 or acceptable to believe that there's0:09:09 any part any human being is0:09:11 is is god because it necessitates0:09:14 contradictions in terms we don't believe0:09:16 in an animal god we don't believe in a0:09:18 man god0:09:19 you see what i mean and so you've0:09:21 already stricken off0:09:22 christianity we've already stricken off0:09:23 hinduism a pantheistic notion of it0:09:25 we've already stricken off fantastic0:09:27 notions of sikhism0:09:28 uh so what are we left with we're left0:09:31 with judaism0:09:32 right which is a very um exclusivist0:09:34 faith what we left with right0:09:37 not much buddhism which is not even a0:09:39 faith really in that sense0:09:41 uh so what we say therefore is keep0:09:44 looking0:09:44 not just to him but to his followers as0:09:46 well keep looking keep being0:09:48 critical and you'll come to this0:09:50 conclusion but just one more thing be0:09:52 spiritual as well if there is a0:09:53 necessary existence0:09:55 then think of one thing what0:09:57 relationship are we meant to have with0:09:58 this necessary existence0:10:01 what relationship are we meant to have0:10:02 and the answer we give is as follows0:10:04 the relationship we are meant to have0:10:05 with the necessary existence is the0:10:07 relationship of submission0:10:08 everything else in creation is0:10:10 submitting to the will of the necessary0:10:12 existence0:10:13 we must do the same if we do the same we0:10:16 will be at one with nature in the0:10:18 sense of the word which is acceptable uh0:10:21 you know which is which makes sense0:10:23 because we'll be doing everything we'll0:10:24 be doing things which everything else in0:10:26 creation is doing which is submitting to0:10:28 the laws of the law maker0:10:30 and so think think think and i would ask0:10:32 i would ask everyone really if0:10:34 just make supplication because we0:10:37 believe as muslims0:10:38 the quran says0:10:44 and if my slaves doesn't say the muslims0:10:48 if my slaves ask about me then i am near0:10:51 and i answer the caller of the call when0:10:53 he calls so call0:10:55 on to god and ask him to guide you0:10:56 because believe me0:10:58 believe you me if you do it you will be0:11:00 successful