Challenge to Ben Shapiro on Muslim Myth (2020-06-27) ​

0:00:00 yes a challenging you pigeon hearted
0:00:03 pusillanimous weasel academic weasel
0:00:06 fraud so I've always wanted to reply to
0:00:14 this video this video that ben shapiro
0:00:16 he put forward this video where he is
0:00:18 talking about islam and muslims and he's
0:00:21 trying to represent muslims in a certain
0:00:24 way he hastily generalizes in a really
0:00:27 unacquainted are with this kind of hasty
0:00:33 generalization but before we do so let's
0:00:35 take a look at actually some of the
0:00:37 claims that he's making first of all as
0:00:40 we can see in this video he speaks about
0:00:42 the Old Testament and the New Testament
0:00:43 and when he speaks about people who
0:00:46 believe in these things he acknowledges
0:00:48 that there are violent passages he says
0:00:50 in those books why he says there's
0:00:52 plenty of violent material in the Old
0:00:54 and New Testaments hey I'm an Orthodox
0:00:55 Jew I read the Old Testament a lot but
0:00:57 believers in those particular texts are
0:00:59 not currently ramming airliners into
0:01:00 towers or beheading journalists or
0:01:03 mutilating female genitalia
0:01:04 so why mention these examples is it
0:01:06 because you're trying to otherwise or
0:01:08 associate Muslims with particular acts
0:01:10 it's clear here that those three
0:01:13 examples are carefully chosen by
0:01:15 yourself and actually funny enough nor
0:01:18 even generalizable to Muslims let's take
0:01:20 your third example for example you talk
0:01:22 about female genital mutilation well
0:01:24 there is no evidence whatsoever that
0:01:25 most only Muslim countries practice this
0:01:28 act for example with the OPA is East
0:01:30 Africa many of those populations are
0:01:32 majority Christian populations yet the
0:01:35 act is very much or the practice of
0:01:38 female genital mutilation is very much
0:01:40 rampant in fact one of the books I've
0:01:42 written called fifth wave feminism I
0:01:43 dedicate an entire chapter on these
0:01:46 kinds of Acts our practices and how
0:01:48 they're committed in in the Western
0:01:52 world like for example if you look at
0:01:53 the WH old definition of what is in fact
0:01:56 considered female genital mutilation it
0:01:59 would be things like a labiaplasty why
0:02:01 is that not concerned and by the way
0:02:03 labiaplasty and clitoridectomy z' these
0:02:06 kinds of things are done right here in
0:02:09 the West and they're done at an alarming
0:02:11 rate more so than
0:02:13 any other place in the world so why is
0:02:15 that not referred to as female genital
0:02:17 mutilation and has that got anything to
0:02:18 do with Muslims no it's got nothing to
0:02:20 do with Muslims even that pacings pacing
0:02:23 of vagina is referred to as a kind of
0:02:26 mutilation by the w-h-o standard if we
0:02:29 take once again that measure what would
0:02:31 we say that that happens more in the
0:02:33 West or does that happen more in these
0:02:34 so once again I think you're trying to
0:02:37 create an image you're trying to create
0:02:39 a picture of a peculiar Muslim right and
0:02:43 it's a very failed image because when we
0:02:46 fact check some of the stuff that you're
0:02:48 saying quickly right as we're gonna find
0:02:51 out when we go through this one by one
0:02:53 bit by bit piece by piece then
0:02:56 everything like a stack of cards breaks
0:03:00 down in front of your very face let's
0:03:02 take a look at the next thing that you
0:03:03 say so you say that and this is so
0:03:08 important because you run with this okay
0:03:10 and in fact I would go as far as to say
0:03:12 is the majority of your video is based
0:03:15 on this faulty and unrecognized
0:03:18 definition which you don't even do a
0:03:20 good job in defining radical beliefs are
0:03:22 a lot broader than terrorists and
0:03:23 anybody who argues otherwise is being
0:03:25 naive or foolish or disingenuous but
0:03:27 defining what radical beliefs are not is
0:03:30 not defining what they are so by saying
0:03:33 radical beliefs are much wider than
0:03:35 terrorism what you're free to do as
0:03:38 we're gonna see in this video is
0:03:39 basically define a multiplicity of
0:03:42 things all radical beliefs but why
0:03:45 should we accept your chosen definition
0:03:48 in fact in the literature in the
0:03:50 political science literature when we
0:03:51 read the works of action or Pape or sage
0:03:54 men or any other they don't agree with
0:03:56 you in terms of that definition when we
0:03:58 talk about the process of radicalization
0:04:00 we're not talking about someone who for
0:04:03 example is we're gonna come to see with
0:04:04 your with your kind of pseudo
0:04:07 definitions that believes in or an acts
0:04:11 kind of Sharia law who agrees with this
0:04:13 definition it's not something which is
0:04:15 unanimous in the literature by any means
0:04:17 so you start with this faulty definition
0:04:19 and then you proceed in a way which
0:04:22 builds your faulty castle or your
0:04:26 Gosselaar on a thin air you building an
0:04:28 argument on a faulty premise and that's
0:04:31 what we're gonna expose today Indonesia
0:04:34 is the world's most populous Muslim
0:04:35 country it's got almost 205 million
0:04:37 Muslims living there and 70 percent
0:04:39 blamed the United States Israel or
0:04:41 somebody else for 9/11 so you make that
0:04:43 calculation it's about 143 million
0:04:45 people who are radicalized you scared
0:04:48 yet you know we're just getting started
0:04:49 so if it's true that someone who blames
0:04:53 the u.s. Israel or someone else for 9/11
0:04:55 is a radical as you're alluding to here
0:05:00 or you're kind to trying to suggest here
0:05:01 then all of those families who are whose
0:05:05 family member was killed on 9/11 who are
0:05:10 part of the truth movements in the
0:05:11 United States and all those kind of
0:05:13 things are you willing to come out and
0:05:14 say that they're radicals as well well
0:05:16 in fact you'd have to do that come out
0:05:18 and say that they are radicals those
0:05:20 people in America part of the truth
0:05:23 movements that they're all radicals if
0:05:25 that's what your definition entails
0:05:26 Bangladesh another 82% want Sharia to be
0:05:29 the official law of the country hey
0:05:31 Egypt 80 million Muslims according to
0:05:33 that same 2009 poll it showed that 65%
0:05:36 were on strict Sharia law in every
0:05:37 Islamic country the second aspects
0:05:40 strict support for Sharia law so I want
0:05:42 to know what exactly about Sharia law do
0:05:45 you think make someone a radical because
0:05:47 if you're saying Sharia law makes
0:05:50 someone a radical what exactly now I am
0:05:54 gonna assume that you're gonna say the
0:05:56 punitive laws because that's the most
0:05:58 controversial aspect of Sharia law now I
0:06:01 want you to answer me a question if
0:06:04 people believe the punitive and penal
0:06:07 laws of Islam and that makes them a
0:06:09 radical then what you say of Orthodox
0:06:12 Jews who read Exodus chapter 20 who read
0:06:16 Leviticus chapter 20 who read first
0:06:19 Samuels 15/3 and you can check those
0:06:22 references in your own time in The Book
0:06:24 of Numbers chapter 30 verse 8 check him
0:06:26 to check those number those reference
0:06:27 Gionta what about those individuals who
0:06:29 believe in those things they believe in
0:06:31 the capital punishment for murder for
0:06:33 adultery for in fact let me tell you Ben
0:06:35 let me tell you something Ben let me
0:06:38 tell you something Ben listen to me a
0:06:39 look at me
0:06:40 I am willing to say that all of the
0:06:42 punitive laws that are mentioned
0:06:44 classically in the text the primary text
0:06:47 of Islam and subsequently mentioned by
0:06:50 medieval scholars for example in
0:06:51 classical Jews potential texts they also
0:06:54 mentioned more severely yes more
0:06:58 severely in the halacha
0:06:59 texts of the Jewish Orthodox Jews so can
0:07:03 you now say that they are radicals all
0:07:05 of those Orthodox Jews who believe word
0:07:07 for word letter for letter the the
0:07:12 biblical discourse as it relates to
0:07:14 Penal goes you would probably come back
0:07:15 and say what hold on that's why it says
0:07:18 in the book but in terms of
0:07:20 implementation there's a difference and
0:07:23 we say the same thing we're not going
0:07:24 around saying well let's go cut
0:07:26 everyone's hands off and go and do these
0:07:28 things which are penal laws these things
0:07:30 as we know have a complex discussion or
0:07:33 how they are implemented but in the
0:07:35 modern world we're not saying let's go
0:07:36 and do a killing spree or do a murder
0:07:39 this and capital punishments know where
0:07:41 there's a complex discussion Muslim
0:07:43 scholars are having it just like Jewish
0:07:45 scholars are having it and there's a
0:07:47 spectrum of different opinion how
0:07:49 implementation can be done if it is at
0:07:51 all done in Muslim lands so if this
0:07:54 makes Muslims radicals and surely it
0:07:57 should be able to make Orthodox Jews
0:07:59 radicals as well because I say this
0:08:01 again almost all of the punitive laws
0:08:03 almost all of the penal laws are
0:08:07 iterated in the Old Testament almost all
0:08:10 of in fact more of them are there more
0:08:13 of their mother so that's what you tried
0:08:16 to skip in the beginning of the video
0:08:17 didn't you try to weasel from that one
0:08:20 try to scramble from that one try to
0:08:22 squirm from that one try to run away
0:08:23 from that one oh this violent passages
0:08:26 in the Old Testament do you not think
0:08:28 that some of these individuals who
0:08:30 believe in those violent passages maybe
0:08:32 could have a propensity to be inspired
0:08:36 as they were historically
0:08:38 contemporaneously to do any acts of
0:08:40 violence like the Ergun who killed 91
0:08:43 individuals innocent individuals in the
0:08:45 kingdom Solomon hotel who were a Jewish
0:08:48 terrorist group yes who then became
0:08:52 basically the guy
0:08:54 for intents and purposes the Luke it
0:08:56 party is now an extension from this
0:08:59 terrorist organization now you keep
0:09:00 mentioning who sama bin Laden in your in
0:09:03 your in your video and almost seventy
0:09:06 percent said that they had positive or
0:09:07 mixed feelings about bin Laden I imagine
0:09:10 begin who was who wrote this book called
0:09:13 the revolt he himself became the Prime
0:09:16 Minister of Israel now if that is the
0:09:19 case now you imagine after Osama bin
0:09:21 Laden has committed all of his attacks
0:09:24 he becomes the prime minister of some
0:09:26 country and he has an allied
0:09:28 relationship with the West so don't
0:09:30 don't please don't throw stones when you
0:09:32 live in the Glass House do you not know
0:09:33 your history and you not know your
0:09:35 religious book you claim you're an
0:09:37 Orthodox Jew but what exactly are you
0:09:40 advocating in terms of belief Nigeria
0:09:44 seventy five point seven million Muslims
0:09:46 live there 71% favor Sharia law that's
0:09:49 fifty three point seven million people
0:09:50 Iran seventy four point eight million
0:09:53 Muslims eighty three percent favor
0:09:55 implementation of Sharia law as of last
0:09:57 year so this is what he doesn't throw
0:09:58 the video he looks at all the countries
0:10:00 that believe in a strict go the majority
0:10:02 population believing the strict
0:10:03 compliance to Sharia law and he labels
0:10:06 them as radical but of course he
0:10:08 wouldn't have the same attitude to
0:10:10 Orthodox Jews who believe in very
0:10:12 similar things so I want to know first
0:10:16 of all who peer reviewed your definition
0:10:18 of radicalism who peer reviewed it
0:10:20 because when I was looking in the
0:10:21 academic literature I didn't find your
0:10:24 pseudo definition of radicalism it
0:10:26 doesn't actually exist number two why
0:10:31 are you not applying the same standards
0:10:33 on the Orthodox Jewish community if
0:10:35 that's what radicalism entails so it
0:10:38 seems like your presupposition is a
0:10:39 false one and therefore your
0:10:41 understanding is a problematic one
0:10:43 Bangladesh and two thirds said honor
0:10:46 killings of women can sometimes be
0:10:49 justified honor killings I looked at Pew
0:10:51 Research to see exactly what they're
0:10:53 talking about and what in fact they're
0:10:54 talking about in fact let me give you an
0:10:56 example
0:10:57 Indonesia says males it has Iran
0:11:01 achilles honor killing section talks
0:11:02 about the capital punishment for a
0:11:03 certain crime it says males for example
0:11:06 eight
0:11:07 2% believed that they would be eligible
0:11:10 for honor killings and also 82% of
0:11:12 female so it's exactly the same it's not
0:11:14 a female specific issue you're saying
0:11:16 they believe in female honor killings
0:11:17 but if you look at the biggest
0:11:19 population of Muslims in the world
0:11:20 Indonesia as an example but many of them
0:11:22 are the same those who believe in such
0:11:24 capital punishments usually believe in
0:11:26 it for both sexes now what are we
0:11:28 talking about when they say this are
0:11:29 they're talking about something which is
0:11:31 judicial it's a capital punishment for a
0:11:34 certain certain kind of crime or are we
0:11:38 talking about vigilantism oh and these
0:11:41 are very important you want says you
0:11:42 can't just skip by themselves they
0:11:44 believe in honor killings for women but
0:11:46 do they believe in I mean look at
0:11:47 Indonesia I believe 82% of them but even
0:11:49 honor killing for so-called Allah caliph
0:11:50 over but also for men so what are
0:11:52 they're talking about when they say this
0:11:53 and do they all mean the same thing when
0:11:55 they say these things these are nuances
0:11:57 which are very important so there's a
0:11:58 book called what a billion Muslims think
0:12:01 okay and there's a survey of 50,000
0:12:03 people Muslim people across I don't know
0:12:05 how many countries John Esposito and
0:12:08 Allium or more ga'head were part of this
0:12:10 this project and when we look at the
0:12:12 amount of Muslims who actually believe
0:12:15 in terrorism and killing innocent people
0:12:18 and civilians and stuff you will find
0:12:21 this a marginal number if you look at
0:12:22 page 97 to 98 of the book in the high
0:12:25 90s of people then the percentage of
0:12:28 high 90% believe that that is a
0:12:30 despicable crime and horrendous and so
0:12:31 on and so forth now we know you have to
0:12:33 remember something the Muslim
0:12:35 communities like 1.8 billion now in 2020
0:12:38 the Jewish community is not even 1% of
0:12:41 that so it's not like for like I'm
0:12:42 afraid if even 1% of the Muslim
0:12:47 community becomes radicalized in a
0:12:50 properly definitional sense in a violent
0:12:52 sense it will have massive ramifications
0:12:55 it's true and we do have a problem to
0:12:57 deal with we're not denying this as the
0:12:59 Muslim community we have to talk about
0:13:01 these things about the tech feeding
0:13:03 movements about those radical movements
0:13:04 about those repugnant movement the
0:13:07 monstrous crimes that they commit and
0:13:08 how to theologically remedy what they're
0:13:10 doing politically remedy what they're
0:13:11 doing and ideologically remedy what
0:13:13 they're doing but it's not fair for
0:13:16 someone like you to come up and
0:13:18 misrepresent an entire
0:13:19 people religious community by hastily
0:13:23 generalizing and giving false
0:13:25 definitions and not applying the same
0:13:28 standards of radicalization to one group
0:13:31 of people rather than others I want to
0:13:34 tell you something yes I've got
0:13:35 something in my hand this is an
0:13:36 unpublished paper that I wrote back in
0:13:38 2014 when I was doing one of my post
0:13:41 graduates in fact I was in the Leo Beck
0:13:43 Institute which is a situation such as
0:13:46 you probably more you should know let me
0:13:49 tell you something I was doing work to
0:13:51 see the extent of Jewish racism and in
0:13:54 fact I might publish this because when I
0:13:56 went on the Peace Index website it seems
0:13:58 to me that they're not working anymore
0:14:00 but this was one of the most robust
0:14:03 organizations that are teaming up with
0:14:05 Tel Aviv University
0:14:06 I remember referencing them now in this
0:14:09 and I was looking at the extent of the
0:14:12 problem of racism in the Jewish
0:14:14 community not look at this I want to
0:14:17 show you something yes I want you to
0:14:19 know something look at the amount of
0:14:20 racism you have in in the in the Jewish
0:14:24 come in the Israeli Jewish community
0:14:26 according to Peace Index survey
0:14:28 conducted in 2012 some sixty five point
0:14:31 two percent of Israeli Jews were either
0:14:34 moderately or greatly disturbed that
0:14:37 they were there were foreign workers who
0:14:39 came from countries like Sudan and
0:14:41 Eritrea so we're talking about greatly
0:14:44 40.5% that they had foreign neighbors
0:14:49 who came from Eritrea Sudan and Eritrea
0:14:50 in particular three black countries as
0:14:53 you know now I've never seen you come
0:14:56 out and talk about the clear racism in
0:15:01 Israel all we've do all we've seen with
0:15:05 you is you attacking the black rights
0:15:07 movement all but all black rights matter
0:15:11 movement but we don't haven't seen from
0:15:13 your attack any Jewish anti black
0:15:16 sentiments which we can see here with
0:15:18 this survey data or the survey data is
0:15:21 quite rampant same likewise as we know
0:15:25 with your own comment your anti-arab
0:15:26 comment when you're saying that Jews
0:15:28 like to build things and Arabs like to
0:15:30 bomb crap or something like this when
0:15:32 you learn and
0:15:33 Neels show 50% of Jews would not live in
0:15:38 the same building as Arabs and the
0:15:40 number fifty percent said they would
0:15:42 they would encourage their Arab
0:15:43 neighbors to emigrate to another land
0:15:45 what kind of numbers are these what kind
0:15:48 of things are these well I don't see is
0:15:50 that radicalism I won't ask a question
0:15:52 actually is that racism is can we say
0:15:54 that the majority based on the states
0:15:57 are here which conveniently the website
0:15:59 has sought it's not working right now
0:16:01 the Peace Index website because people
0:16:02 are using it like me to prove certain
0:16:05 things or to make sound claims but can I
0:16:07 say I've got this don't worry so but
0:16:11 it's all I have all I've taken
0:16:12 screenshots and I'm gonna show it to you
0:16:14 right now but when I say when I say this
0:16:17 can we say can we generalize the the
0:16:19 Jewish community in Israel Iser a racist
0:16:21 community by large and if this is
0:16:24 something we can say why don't you start
0:16:25 doing work against this using your
0:16:27 platform using your social media
0:16:30 influence instead of continually
0:16:32 attacking black people black people
0:16:33 black people or but the Blackfriars way
0:16:35 you don't want to admit even that the
0:16:38 guy who killed George Floyd was doing so
0:16:40 for racial reasons and you are at one
0:16:42 point hesitant on the fact that I should
0:16:44 he be
0:16:44 should he be prosecuted or not for
0:16:46 murder you were questioning this at one
0:16:49 point I'm not sure if you've changed
0:16:50 your mind
0:16:50 but do you I want ask a genuine question
0:16:53 I mean are you affected by this kind of
0:16:55 thing because you're yourself came up
0:16:57 with racist rhetoric so why not be open
0:17:00 and honest if we're going to be academic
0:17:02 about these things and we're going to be
0:17:03 open and honest yes we have a problem
0:17:04 with in Muslim communities but not all
0:17:06 Muslim communities are the same we're
0:17:08 talking about like you said 50 countries
0:17:10 with Muslim majority populations we're
0:17:12 talking about according to Pew that you
0:17:14 like to read to quote a religious
0:17:17 population that in the end of the
0:17:18 century will amount to one third of the
0:17:20 world's population and you want to
0:17:22 generalize those that's one third one
0:17:24 out of every three you can't even
0:17:26 compare them with Jewish people they're
0:17:27 like what thirty million people
0:17:29 worldwide there's more people in Morocco
0:17:32 than there are Jews in the world
0:17:33 so I mean please please be fair so the
0:17:38 reason why you only want to deal with
0:17:41 college students young ones untrained
0:17:44 ones little ones
0:17:46 weak ones in uneven situations and
0:17:51 settings is because your apostle animus
0:17:55 what did you say says you're a
0:17:58 pusillanimous timorous pusillanimous
0:18:01 ultra krappa Darien dilettante and you
0:18:05 don't want to face someone who can put
0:18:07 you in your place
0:18:08 yes I challenge you you pigeon hearted
0:18:12 pusillanimous weasel academic weasel
0:18:15 fraud you're a fraud you're a fraud and
0:18:21 I put you in your place I know you think
0:18:23 damn this guy's I was hoping I'll get
0:18:26 away with it if it wasn't for those
0:18:28 meddling kids you know what you're
0:18:35 finished finished you're finished you're
0:18:41 finished and you wouldn't come in death
0:18:44 even be in the same proximity as me and
0:18:47 I know you know that and that's all I
0:18:49 have to say on the matter
0:18:51 Salam aleikum wa rahmatullah hear what I
0:18:53 get
0:18:57 now having now that we've dealt with
0:18:59 this of the pusillanimous kind a
0:19:08 challenge you to a discussion on those
0:19:11 matters you see even though even this I
0:19:17 challenge the pusillanimous yes I
0:19:33 challenge you you pusillanimous
0:19:41 I know you're shivering
0:19:51 pigeon hearted pusillanimous of the
0:19:54 third degree
0:20:06 you