The Final Moments of Apostate P's Islamophobe's Career (2020-08-26) ​

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0:00:13 what i'm saying to you is that morally
0:00:15 speaking yeah
0:00:16 as an atheist you have no anchorage
0:00:18 meaning you cannot claim anything is
0:00:20 objective
0:00:21 otherwise i'll say to you look give me
0:00:23 your mechanism because you're on the
0:00:24 record of saying that bestiality is okay
0:00:26 you're on the record saying that father
0:00:28 can have sex with his son i have never
0:00:30 said that
0:00:31 oh so you don't agree with that incest
0:00:32 is okay you said incest okay no i have
0:00:34 never said that either
0:00:35 so if two sisters or two brothers have
0:00:37 incest sexual relationship there's
0:00:39 nothing i can't see anything wrong with
0:00:40 it right well there is
0:00:41 uh actually nothing wrong with it here
0:00:45 actually nothing wrong with it here
0:00:49 look do you believe this do you believe
0:00:50 it is the case or not i have said
0:00:52 i've said to alegawa he asked me do you
0:00:54 think it's okay for the father and the
0:00:56 son to have sex
0:00:56 yeah if there was no harm to society
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0:01:03 yeah so you allow it
0:01:06 hey shut up i said if the evidence was
0:01:09 so hard
0:01:09 yeah so there you have it bro
0:01:14 so here's the problem why are you using
0:01:15 the harm principle but why are you using
0:01:18 the harm principle
0:01:19 but that is not reality but why are you
0:01:21 using the hum principle because such a
0:01:23 intercourse will have
0:01:25 harm on the individuals and the society
0:01:27 which is why
0:01:29 can you prove the harm principle can you
0:01:31 objectively prove the harm principle
0:01:34 no no i'm asking you right now you said
0:01:36 something you made a claim so can you
0:01:37 prove it
0:01:38 you asked me to prove things i've
0:01:39 answered you can you can you objectively
0:01:41 prove the hum principle
0:01:43 you cannot that's the answer that you
0:01:44 cannot it's not that you will not is
0:01:46 that you cannot
0:01:46 i can't i will no you can't because john
0:01:48 stuart milk couldn't
0:01:50 john stewart mill couldn't do it look
0:01:52 let's not pretend to be a philosopher i
0:01:54 do not believe that there is an
0:01:55 intrinsic uh sorry sorry you don't
0:01:58 believe objective
0:01:59 i don't believe that there is inherent
0:02:01 objective that doesn't make sense
0:02:02 objective morality you don't believe in
0:02:04 objection rally
0:02:08 yeah i do and i've got the degrees to
0:02:09 show it have you have you got anything
0:02:10 to show
0:02:12 on a descriptive level
0:02:15 in which you prescribe it to society i
0:02:17 do not believe that intrinsically
0:02:19 there is objective morality
0:02:31 no that doesn't make sense what you're
0:02:32 saying doesn't make sense no your
0:02:33 articulation is flawed your articulation
0:02:35 is slowed
0:02:36 your articulation is flawed now do you
0:02:38 know why because what you're saying is
0:02:40 i do not believe when a human being has
0:02:43 morality is not possessive in that sense
0:02:45 you're you're all over the place you
0:02:47 either believe in honor
0:02:48 you either believe in objective morality
0:02:50 or you don't you're either subjectivist
0:02:52 or an objectivist which one of the two
0:02:53 are you
0:02:54 are you subjectivist or objectivist
0:02:58 let me say it in different words no
0:03:00 because you don't understand english as
0:03:01 a first language i do
0:03:03 so don't try it don't try it you didn't
0:03:05 make sense in your articulation now
0:03:07 you're trying to make me look like the
0:03:08 person no your articulation was flawed
0:03:10 so now say in a proper way go on
0:03:14 i would like to say there is a
0:03:16 difference between saying a society
0:03:18 has intrinsic morality and a difference
0:03:20 between a society
0:03:21 a society should have more health what
0:03:24 about society what society got to do
0:03:26 with it
0:03:26 are do morals exist as an objective
0:03:29 reality or not
0:03:34 yeah really so there's something that's
0:03:35 called more realism what's our morals
0:03:37 are
0:03:38 our morals objectively real or not are
0:03:39 they real or not are they are
0:03:41 morals objective or they're subjective
0:03:45 so what are they are they objective or
0:03:47 subjective
0:03:49 in your view
0:03:53 okay my my question to you is so simple
0:03:55 like my question to you
0:03:56 is morality is it objective
0:04:00 or not are there such a thing as
0:04:02 objective moral
0:04:04 i don't think so okay good so so then
0:04:06 there all of your moral arguments have
0:04:08 collapsed against islam so today we've
0:04:09 collapsed all your scientific ones
0:04:11 and we've collapsed all your moral ones
0:04:14 yeah because
0:04:14 anything that you say about islam now
0:04:16 now hold on anything that you say about
0:04:17 islam now morally
0:04:19 doesn't make sense because there's no
0:04:20 such thing as morality objectively
0:04:22 this is how morality works you just said
0:04:24 it yourself you don't believe it's
0:04:25 objective it's not true it's not
0:04:26 objectively
0:04:34 nihilism is not synonymous with
0:04:35 objectivity
0:04:38 right what are you talking about yeah
0:04:42 i'm saying that they're not subjective
0:04:43 it's not synonymous nihilism is
0:04:44 something which is
0:04:46 yeah good good so you're saying you're a
0:04:48 subjectivist if you're a subjectivist
0:04:50 that you said you're not an objectivist
0:04:52 you must be a subjectivist what are you
0:04:54 doing
0:04:55 stop pretending you stop pretending i'm
0:04:57 the idiot bro i've studied this you have
0:05:00 not
0:05:01 did you just say if i'm not an
0:05:02 objectivist you have to be
0:05:04 if you're not if you don't believe in
0:05:05 objective morality what are you laughing
0:05:07 at man
0:05:08 so if i don't believe in objective
0:05:10 morality then i have to believe in
0:05:11 subjectivity yeah because either
0:05:12 objective or subjective you've got two
0:05:14 choices
0:05:14 what what's the third option go on bro
0:05:17 you're not even on a levels level
0:05:19 bro i swear to god
0:05:22 you're not even a c grade a level you're
0:05:24 not even a secret
0:05:26 if i were to if i were to mark your work
0:05:27 bro you're not on c grades
0:05:30 you're not on bro at year 10 year 11
0:05:33 in ethics can get a better understanding
0:05:35 of what i'm saying a 16 year old a sharp
0:05:37 16 year old will see that you don't know
0:05:38 what you're talking about
0:05:40 now what is the other option you've got
0:05:42 objective morality subjective money
0:05:43 what's the third one
0:05:46 now go and say it what's the third
0:05:47 option you've i've got look you're
0:05:49 talking but you have no answers
0:05:51 you've either got objective morality
0:05:52 subjective money what's the other one
0:05:54 what's the other one do you think do you
0:05:57 think there is no other option
0:05:58 yeah yeah i'm saying there's only it's
0:06:00 either objective or subjective is what's
0:06:01 the third one
0:06:04 yeah come on what's the third one
0:06:08 what are you laughing at that's not an
0:06:09 answer bro i will make a video
0:06:11 responsibility
0:06:11 no you don't need to make a video
0:06:13 response if it's not objective it has to
0:06:15 be subjective
0:06:16 bro you're going to get laughed at you
0:06:17 know cosmic skeptic and dumb guys
0:06:19 they're going to laugh at you bro
0:06:20 they're going to say we're going to
0:06:20 disassociate with this idiot of all due
0:06:22 respect
0:06:23 you have not even an a level
0:06:25 understanding of morality it's either
0:06:27 objective or not it's either objective
0:06:29 or not
0:06:30 if it's not objective it has to be
0:06:31 subjective there's no other option what
0:06:33 can it be
0:06:34 there's no crossover there's no middle
0:06:36 ground it's either objective or not
0:06:38 you that that's the that's why why you
0:06:40 got it all wrong that's why your
0:06:41 criticisms against islam
0:06:43 are flawed because you don't even have a
0:06:44 basic understanding of moral flaws you
0:06:45 don't
0:06:46 and you can't pretend you do you have
0:06:47 not done a levels even in there
0:06:51 bro you don't know it you have no
0:06:52 qualifications stop condescending us
0:06:54 man you don't know it i'm saying i'm
0:06:57 saying to all those viewers
0:06:59 i would like to say including you what
0:07:01 moment did you have said about
0:07:02 objective morality is for example
0:07:03 completely wrong go on give me the third
0:07:05 option
0:07:06 if i don't if i don't believe in
0:07:07 objective morality for example yeah
0:07:10 yes that doesn't mean that i cannot have
0:07:12 objective values
0:07:14 i'm not saying that i'm saying you
0:07:15 either believe in objective morality or
0:07:17 you believe in subjective money there's
0:07:18 no third option what's the third option
0:07:22 what's the offered option what is the
0:07:24 third option stop laughing stop
0:07:25 pretending you know what you're talking
0:07:27 about and give a third option
0:07:33 i swear to god you are finished in a way
0:07:35 that you don't even know
0:07:36 bro people are going to be laughing at
0:07:37 you atheists are going to say we thought
0:07:39 we had hope in this guy
0:07:40 the great hope of uh anti-islamic
0:07:42 polemics has just fumbled
0:07:44 bro it's either objective or subjective
0:07:46 there's no third option what is the
0:07:48 third option
0:07:50 what's the third option what's the third
0:07:52 option
0:07:55 that are not based on the belief um look
0:07:57 that's a different discussion you either
0:07:58 believe in objective morality or
0:08:00 subjective military you're saying
0:08:01 there's a third option what is the third
0:08:02 option
0:08:04 because you know there is no third
0:08:06 option you will not say it because there
0:08:07 is no answer
0:08:11 look look make a video make a video mate
0:08:13 because you're gonna you're embarrassing
0:08:14 yourself with what you respect if it's
0:08:15 not objective look
0:08:16 let me teach you let me allow me to
0:08:18 teach you allow me
0:08:20 you know just allow it just allow it
0:08:21 just submit to the knowledge submit to
0:08:23 the truth
0:08:24 submit to the knowledge allow it what
0:08:25 i'm saying to you is this
0:08:27 whether there are only two pardons i was
0:08:30 the one who asked you yeah i said it's
0:08:32 either objective or subjective what you
0:08:33 got the third what's the third one right
0:08:35 we're done we're done i answer this
0:08:36 question
0:08:37 yeah yeah yeah okay well i'm asking you
0:08:38 also further option if it's not
0:08:39 objective it has to be subjective i will
0:08:41 not respond to you
0:08:42 why don't you answer the video no
0:08:44 because he's laughing because he's
0:08:45 nervous he's nervous because he's got no
0:08:47 answers in his empty head that's the
0:08:48 reason why
0:08:52 bro look you don't you're having look
0:08:54 we're having a discussion now and you're
0:08:55 not really producing substance you
0:08:56 haven't shown your you haven't shown
0:08:58 your abilities to be honest
0:09:01 you're playing by yourself whatever man
0:09:03 this is philosophy look if if
0:09:05 you look man you're gonna try and weasel
0:09:08 away from this and scramble
0:09:09 you really have nothing to say do you
0:09:10 you really have nothing to say because
0:09:12 here's the thing
0:09:12 we talked about the science and we
0:09:14 realized that all your scientific
0:09:15 arguments are flawed
0:09:16 you pretty much admitted that then now
0:09:18 we're going to morality and we realize
0:09:20 that
0:09:20 you know what if you don't believe in if
0:09:22 you don't sorry which you've said you
0:09:23 said you don't believe in
0:09:24 objective morality if you don't believe
0:09:26 in objective morality which means this
0:09:27 means any listen this is you know what
0:09:29 the implication is the implication is
0:09:30 this
0:09:31 the implication is any argument you get
0:09:33 make against islam which is moral
0:09:35 if you're asking about uh age of consent
0:09:37 or apostasy or
0:09:39 a penal laws or anything you want to ask
0:09:42 from this
0:09:42 day onwards you have no right to say it
0:09:47 that well that's why you can't prove
0:09:49 your morality you can't prove it
0:09:51 you're asking us to prove god i'm asking
0:09:53 you to prove your morality
0:09:56 is completely based on utilitarianism
0:09:59 yeah but
0:10:00 john stuart mill and bentham jeremy
0:10:02 bentham who is the who's the founding
0:10:03 father
0:10:04 of utilitarianism they these individuals
0:10:06 never said that it was objective
0:10:09 it doesn't depend on individuals that's
0:10:10 not how it works yes it does because
0:10:12 utilitarianism is based on jeremy
0:10:14 benfield's ethic
0:10:17 that it has to utilitarianism by wait a
0:10:18 minute who who who made the idea of you
0:10:20 who is who is the philosophical founding
0:10:22 father of utilitarianism
0:10:25 let me teach you my man who who who put
0:10:28 forward utilitarianism
0:10:29 let me educate you you can't because i'm
0:10:31 telling you who is the founding father
0:10:33 of utilitarianism you can't even answer
0:10:34 that
0:10:35 who is it have you read jeremy bentham's
0:10:38 books
0:10:39 one more question have you read it have
0:10:40 you read it honestly have you read it
0:10:42 have you read it who is jeremy benson
0:10:44 who is jeremy bentham who is jeremy
0:10:45 bentham who is jeremy bentham who is he
0:10:50 who is jeremy bentham who is he is what
0:10:53 you're saying you don't know
0:10:55 it's what you're saying that if you
0:10:57 abide by a moral philosophy you have to
0:10:59 agree with what one certain person
0:11:01 who founded the philosophy no i've not
0:11:04 said that what i'm saying is this
0:11:05 that no no hold on the definition of
0:11:07 what's the definition of utilitarianism
0:11:09 what's the definition of utilitarianism
0:11:10 what's the definition of
0:11:13 i can't utilitarianism a utilitarian
0:11:14 point of view what is the definition of
0:11:17 utility i'll ask you a basic question
0:11:18 man
0:11:19 what's the definition of utilitarianism
0:11:22 what's the definition of utilitarianism
0:11:24 the great is good for the greatest
0:11:26 number
0:11:29 this guy you haven't studied this don't
0:11:31 pretend please decide
0:11:34 to decide that something is better for
0:11:38 society for which they come as a result
0:11:40 of the common consensus or due to new
0:11:42 findings
0:11:43 then it means that this will be a law
0:11:45 that society has agreed on
0:11:46 and this is utilitarian no it's not
0:11:48 really that's not that's not a
0:11:49 definition of utilitarianism
0:11:51 utilitarianism is not defined like that
0:11:52 by any moral or political philosopher
0:11:55 by the way just i've written essays on
0:11:56 italianitarianism i've written by the
0:11:58 way i've got some of something written
0:11:59 on utilitarianism as well
0:12:01 it's called the problem of liberalism
0:12:02 and you can find that on for free
0:12:04 muhammad hijab put it on google
0:12:06 problems of liberal liberalism and you
0:12:08 can find it for free i've written about
0:12:09 the stuff you claim to talk about i've
0:12:11 written about it bro
0:12:12 i've published essays on it no
0:12:15 what i'm trying to tell you is don't
0:12:16 pretend to arrogate to me you're not a
0:12:18 professor you're not my
0:12:19 senior do you get it if you're my senior
0:12:21 you could talk like that you're not like
0:12:24 just go yeah you look look at this box
0:12:27 yeah read my books bro look
0:12:30 can i can i just come back on this adam
0:12:31 adam one thing one one thing on this
0:12:33 yeah
0:12:33 or can i just please please please
0:12:36 please just allow me just for a second
0:12:37 yeah
0:12:37 utilitarianism no no just give me a
0:12:39 second give me a second let me just get
0:12:41 you yeah let me educate you let me share
0:12:42 my knowledge with you in there what's
0:12:43 wrong you educate me from your little
0:12:45 no knowledge from your google searches
0:12:47 let me educate you of formal knowledge
0:12:49 let me tell you what's going on
0:12:50 utilitarianism yeah well it's really if
0:12:52 you want to put it in a nutshell is the
0:12:54 greatest good for the greatest number
0:12:55 the greatest utility for the greatest
0:12:56 amount of people
0:12:57 now obviously no just allow me just
0:12:59 allow me just allow me just please
0:13:01 no you you know listen hold on for a
0:13:03 second hold on you didn't you used
0:13:05 democratic logic it's different what i'm
0:13:06 saying is this is you
0:13:08 what what jeremy ben from in his book
0:13:10 said wait listen what generally benfica
0:13:12 in his book he said he said it's very
0:13:13 it's interesting because there's a
0:13:14 quranic argument against this it's
0:13:16 really interesting
0:13:17 he said you've got two lords you've got
0:13:18 the lord of pain and you've got the lord
0:13:20 of pleasure
0:13:20 what the quran says have you seen the
0:13:23 one who has taken his own
0:13:25 desires as a god so it's interesting the
0:13:27 quran has actually addressed
0:13:28 utilitarianism in a in
0:13:29 an interesting kind of way now the thing
0:13:31 is what john stuart mill said
0:13:33 is that say if you have a gang greg gang
0:13:35 rape scenario yeah
0:13:36 this is a common analogy that's put
0:13:38 forward you've got a gang rape scenario
0:13:40 so you've got one woman
0:13:41 and then you've got five men and they're
0:13:42 all having their goals with her and
0:13:43 she's not wanting it she's
0:13:44 she's getting raped yeah she got
0:13:46 finished now in this situation
0:13:48 is this good now obviously according to
0:13:51 utilitarianism in a strict sense
0:13:52 it's allowed because obviously there's
0:13:55 no harm principle in place so john
0:13:56 stuart mill said look
0:13:57 in order to allow society to function we
0:13:59 have to put a harm principle in place
0:14:01 so that's how utilitarianism kind of was
0:14:03 absorbed into social liberalism
0:14:04 yeah now with social liberalism here's
0:14:06 my point
0:14:08 uh john stuart mill who really was a
0:14:09 utilitarian at heart and by the way his
0:14:11 father james mill
0:14:12 was jeremy bentham's friend they were
0:14:14 their buddies yeah that like this guy
0:14:16 who wrote
0:14:16 about utilitarianism his father james
0:14:18 mill were friends now he wrote a book
0:14:20 now in that book he said in
0:14:22 on utilitarianism the name of the book
0:14:24 on chapter four
0:14:25 yeah he talked about proving
0:14:27 utilitarianism now he didn't mention he
0:14:29 didn't name it like that
0:14:30 he named it a long thing as cosmic
0:14:31 accepted tommy in a debate but anyway he
0:14:33 took like a long um
0:14:35 title but it's candid in there he talks
0:14:37 about desirability yeah
0:14:39 he doesn't in any way shape or form try
0:14:41 and say that
0:14:42 utilitarianism is in any way an
0:14:44 objective morality this is the problem
0:14:47 what i'm saying is you're saying that
0:14:48 you you can have objective morality
0:14:49 through utilitarianism
0:14:51 but jeremy bentham and john stuart mill
0:14:53 who were the philosopher
0:14:54 philosophical founding fathers they
0:14:56 candidly said you can't really have that
0:14:58 kind of thing
0:14:58 it's more to do with it it's not meant
0:15:01 to be an objective morality in that
0:15:03 sense
0:15:03 so in other words if you're you if
0:15:05 you're pegging your moral value
0:15:06 judgments on utilitarianism
0:15:08 you can't go and attack the quran
0:15:09 because you know why you don't have an
0:15:10 anchorage you don't have an objective
0:15:12 morality
0:15:12 so you come back to the quran and say
0:15:14 the quran says this and that you can't
0:15:15 say
0:15:16 based on utilitarianism because even
0:15:17 according to those guys and
0:15:19 all the way through to today's
0:15:20 scholarship i'm telling you i've read
0:15:22 the journals bro
0:15:22 i have read the journals people that are
0:15:24 bigger than me and you look utilitarian
0:15:26 scholars
0:15:27 i've read the journals i've read the
0:15:28 books i've done the research i've done
0:15:30 the degrees please
0:15:31 don't don't don't arrogate to me yeah
0:15:33 i've read all no one no one is making
0:15:35 the argument
0:15:36 it's it's it's it's not an argument that
0:15:39 utilitarian liberal ethical scholars say
0:15:42 that actually utilitarianism is an
0:15:43 objective morality it's not
0:15:45 they know it's not wonderful
0:15:48 it's not it's not an argument therefore
0:15:50 if you want to make a moral argument
0:15:51 against islam and say well islam is
0:15:53 against this
0:15:54 and therefore islam is wrong it's a
0:15:55 false argument if you're basing on
0:15:56 utilitarianism that's your seed bed if
0:15:58 that's your intellectual and
0:15:59 epistemological seedbed it's not going
0:16:01 to work so what i'm saying is that now
0:16:04 since you've since science has crumbled
0:16:07 and since morality
0:16:08 has crumbled what have you got left to
0:16:09 try and no it has no what you're
0:16:11 laughing at man what's funny i don't get
0:16:12 it
0:16:13 since your since your scientific
0:16:15 arguments have crumbled and now
0:16:17 the philosophical thing has crumbled my
0:16:19 question is what you got left what you
0:16:20 got left for us where you go left first
0:16:21 honestly
0:16:24 it's not you i've look i'm not here to
0:16:26 destroy you you're not worthy of me
0:16:27 destroying you
0:16:28 you're not worthy of me destroying you
0:16:30 i'm just destroying your arguments your
0:16:32 weak
0:16:32 arguments that you don't even know yeah
0:16:34 i know the shame
0:16:35 the shame of the matter is this the
0:16:36 shame is i know my scriptures
0:16:38 and my worldview more than you do but i
0:16:40 know your scriptures and your worldview
0:16:42 more than you do
0:16:43 that's that's the shame here
0:16:47 have you got anything have you got
0:16:48 anything left have you got anything left
0:16:50 if you want to make islam you just have
0:16:52 to respond to people and share your
0:16:54 opinion
0:16:55 bro you look bewildered to avoid your
0:16:57 respect you looked you disappointed me i
0:16:59 have to be honest i thought you're going
0:17:00 to come swinging
0:17:01 you know it's like you know what it is
0:17:02 adam and er slim bro i'll be honest with
0:17:05 you i thought this guy had packed a
0:17:06 punch
0:17:06 i thought he had packed the punch a
0:17:08 little bit because he was coming rough
0:17:09 on twitter he was coming tough on
0:17:10 twitter he was
0:17:12 ripping up the quran this guy was eating
0:17:14 the quran his friend was
0:17:16 he was laughing i thought this guy was
0:17:17 going to swing us off
0:17:19 and finish us but you know what's
0:17:20 happened today all of his arguments have
0:17:22 collapsed
0:17:23 bro i have to say this with all due
0:17:25 respect you are finished you know you
0:17:27 are finished
0:17:28 you have been finished
0:17:32 you're finished bro you've tried your
0:17:34 best for two hours don't pretend this
0:17:36 wasn't a debate
0:17:37 it was a debate and it's done bro it's
0:17:39 finished with all due respect
0:17:42 you've got nothing you've got nothing
0:17:44 you're gonna be disowned now by the
0:17:45 atheist
0:17:47 your liability to atheists with your low
0:17:58 knowledge
0:18:00 you