Douglas Murray Flees Challenge (2021-11-18) #

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0:00:31 how are you guys doing now many of you
0:00:33 will be aware
0:00:34 many of you will be aware of the back
0:00:36 and forth i've had with one douglas
0:00:38 murray now for you who don't know this
0:00:40 man is a british journalist but he has
0:00:42 been given a platform by the likes of
0:00:43 the bbc the spectator he has been part
0:00:46 of the
0:00:47 neoconservative movement in britain and
0:00:50 in the west and has been a voice against
0:00:52 uh i would say islam and muslims for
0:00:54 some time a critic of islam and muslims
0:00:57 for some time in fact let me read
0:00:59 something to you
0:01:00 to give you a flavor of what this man is
0:01:02 all about he says conditions for muslims
0:01:05 in europe must be made harder across the
0:01:06 board he says europe must look like
0:01:09 a less attractive proposition
0:01:12 from long before we were first attacked
0:01:15 it should have been made plain that
0:01:16 people who come into europe are here
0:01:18 under our rules and not theirs
0:01:20 he says where a mosque has become a
0:01:22 center of hate it should be closed and
0:01:24 pulled down if that means that some
0:01:26 muslims don't have a mosque to go to
0:01:29 then they'll have to realize that they
0:01:31 aren't owed one now the first part of
0:01:34 that sentence
0:01:35 that conditions for muslims in europe
0:01:37 must be made harder across the board
0:01:39 it's
0:01:40 so
0:01:41 anti-western ideology
0:01:43 so
0:01:44 anti-enlightenment ideology if we're
0:01:46 talking about equality if we're talking
0:01:48 minority rights all of these things it
0:01:50 goes against those
0:01:53 things now i'm not asking douglas murray
0:01:56 to become a muslim i mean we invite all
0:01:59 of the world to islam to the worship of
0:02:01 one god of course and that it does
0:02:03 include douglas murray but what i would
0:02:06 for now at least like to see is douglas
0:02:08 murray being
0:02:10 self-consistent with his own principles
0:02:12 because this is a man who i
0:02:15 i'm going to have to say as it is
0:02:17 is nothing but a hypocrite he is a
0:02:20 hypocrite
0:02:21 he makes himself out to be some kind of
0:02:23 a bastion
0:02:25 for freedom of speech and expression but
0:02:27 he's a co-founder of
0:02:29 an organization called the henry jackson
0:02:32 organization
0:02:33 he's the co-founder of an organization
0:02:35 that produces reports on a yearly basis
0:02:39 and these reports in fact are an attempt
0:02:43 to
0:02:44 account organizations which have muslim
0:02:48 speakers
0:02:49 in universities and he states or not him
0:02:52 but the report states for example
0:02:54 extremist hate preachers have
0:02:57 near unfettered access to students
0:03:00 and by that of course he means with his
0:03:02 understanding of
0:03:03 extremism
0:03:05 anything that goes against western
0:03:07 ideological or enlightenment values so
0:03:09 you see here this is really it's
0:03:11 enraging it's enraging how these
0:03:15 individuals that speak about freedom of
0:03:17 speech
0:03:18 are attempting
0:03:20 to do actions words or have words and
0:03:22 actions
0:03:23 do produce reports which have the net
0:03:26 effect and entailment of curtailing
0:03:29 freedom of speech for a minority group
0:03:33 which is the muslims he in fact or not
0:03:35 him but the report states
0:03:38 that failure by university to apply
0:03:41 there's been a failure by university to
0:03:43 apply prevent duties now for those who
0:03:45 don't know or maybe live abroad prevent
0:03:47 is the government's counter-terrorism
0:03:49 strategy so here we have a situation
0:03:52 where the henry jackson society which is
0:03:54 co-founded by douglas murray is
0:03:56 producing these reports and these
0:03:59 reports aim to vilify label or otherwise
0:04:03 cancel
0:04:04 yes
0:04:05 cancel
0:04:06 muslim speakers traditionalist orthodox
0:04:09 speakers
0:04:10 from speaking in universities because
0:04:12 they're afraid that they have quote
0:04:14 unfettered access to students
0:04:17 students were talking about what age 18
0:04:19 to 21 adult students
0:04:21 so in this situation here
0:04:24 clearly murray and co
0:04:26 are using
0:04:27 the guise of terrorism to vilify a
0:04:30 community and to inhibit freedom of
0:04:34 speech
0:04:35 don't talk to me about freedom of speech
0:04:38 what kind of censoring is this
0:04:41 you coward you are a coward
0:04:43 and this is you know why it's clear to
0:04:45 me that you are a coward and that you
0:04:47 are afraid of public engagement and
0:04:49 debate
0:04:50 because when it came to me challenging
0:04:52 you on twitter for a discussion
0:04:55 when i came to challenge you on twitter
0:04:57 for a discussion or debate let's be
0:04:59 straightforward with you because we
0:05:00 don't see i
0:05:01 what did you say you made the excuses
0:05:04 you call me anti-semitic you call me all
0:05:05 these words because i'm anti-zionist
0:05:08 because i am pro-palestinian unashamedly
0:05:11 so
0:05:12 you will never find a statement of mine
0:05:14 and the whole public record which
0:05:16 amounts to anti-semitism but you cowered
0:05:19 even if i was a fully fledged
0:05:22 anti-semite and hated jews
0:05:24 which we believe in islam it's not
0:05:26 possible to do or you shouldn't do
0:05:27 because the prophet himself married the
0:05:29 jews i fear
0:05:30 you didn't know that did you and he even
0:05:32 he condemned anti-semitism which i have
0:05:35 videos on my channel doing the same
0:05:37 thing
0:05:38 but if this is your excuse why are you
0:05:40 discussing with anjim chowdhury
0:05:42 let's take a picture let's take a look
0:05:44 at a picture of you discussing with
0:05:45 anjim chowdhury
0:05:47 anjem chowdhury is widely recognized in
0:05:49 the muslim community as someone who
0:05:52 belongs to the radical fringes someone
0:05:55 who has not condemned isis not condemned
0:05:58 al-qaeda not condemned these groups in
0:06:01 many ways as sympathetic to those groups
0:06:04 and you have you have had a discussion
0:06:06 with him but you with me
0:06:09 what now you're getting cold feet you're
0:06:10 getting a bit scared
0:06:12 what is your excuse
0:06:13 that i'm not qualified
0:06:15 i think you'll find that i'm much more
0:06:17 qualified on these topics than you are
0:06:19 especially islam what are your
0:06:20 qualifications in islam
0:06:22 what are your qualifications in islam
0:06:25 what is your training in islam
0:06:28 what background you've written two books
0:06:30 to my knowledge about islam but what is
0:06:32 your qualification to speak about such a
0:06:34 topic like theology
0:06:36 huh tell me now
0:06:38 you come to me humbly as a student
0:06:41 that's the only relationship you can
0:06:43 have with me when it comes to the
0:06:44 religion of islam you come to me humbly
0:06:47 cross-legged
0:06:49 as a student in front of me and i will
0:06:51 tell you about islam the rulings the
0:06:53 books that i've memorized the language
0:06:55 that i know
0:06:56 the years that i've spent in the islamic
0:06:58 seminary and the degrees that i've
0:06:59 acquired you're not in my league on
0:07:01 these issues don't even pretend to be
0:07:03 and how dare you try and attack the
0:07:05 quran and say the book the measly
0:07:07 pathetic little book that you have
0:07:10 produced
0:07:12 apparently he says it's uh it's more
0:07:14 bought than the quran
0:07:17 it's it's
0:07:18 people are buying it more than the quran
0:07:19 are you that
0:07:21 sorry mentally
0:07:22 slow
0:07:24 do you think people buy the quran on
0:07:26 amazon
0:07:27 this is the tweet he put up you can
0:07:28 check it on the twitter this guy he
0:07:30 thinks that his book is being read by
0:07:32 muslims or by other people as much and
0:07:34 or
0:07:35 maybe the same amount as the quran are
0:07:37 you a fool are you literally a fool
0:07:40 this book is being one of the most
0:07:42 memorized no it is the most memorized
0:07:43 book in the world
0:07:45 children memorize it and you're talking
0:07:47 about your measly little book that you
0:07:49 put on amazon
0:07:51 anyway let's move on to something else
0:07:53 let's move on to what you actually say
0:07:55 about islam let me expose your ignorance
0:07:57 further because it's not just islam and
0:07:59 theology that you have a uh inhibition
0:08:03 you have a weakness in but you have an
0:08:05 inhibition and you have a weakness when
0:08:07 it relates to the humanities in your
0:08:09 book
0:08:10 uh the strange death of europe you refer
0:08:14 to as conjuring a careful new version of
0:08:16 history which flies in the face of all
0:08:19 historical scholarships practically all
0:08:20 historical scholarship we're not saying
0:08:22 that the whole time in spain was good
0:08:24 you had the al-wahidu
0:08:25 but to try and uh
0:08:28 imply
0:08:29 that there was intolerance throughout
0:08:30 the whole time period when islam was in
0:08:32 spain is foolishness and a historical
0:08:34 understanding
0:08:35 on anyone's understanding
0:08:38 and you you make blunders historical
0:08:40 blunders you say
0:08:41 europe was never
0:08:42 a continent of islam what are you
0:08:44 talking about
0:08:45 we have europe as you have spain as the
0:08:47 example you have sicily as another
0:08:49 example and you have other places which
0:08:51 the ottoman empire had control over as
0:08:53 other examples as well are you that
0:08:56 are you literally that foolish
0:08:58 are you literally that foolish why are
0:09:00 you speaking about things which you have
0:09:02 no idea about
0:09:03 on this point let's take a look at what
0:09:05 you've said about islam let's say islam
0:09:07 is a very very complex thing
0:09:10 and the best way i can do this in the
0:09:12 very short time i have is that you have
0:09:14 three islams islam one two and three
0:09:16 islam one the quran and the life of
0:09:18 muhammad and the hadith islam to the
0:09:20 tradition of the sharia islam three what
0:09:23 muslims do now the first of those things
0:09:25 islam the quran and so on is bad
0:09:29 it is bad
0:09:30 there is a lot of violence in it and
0:09:33 what's worse the peaceful verses are
0:09:35 superseded by the violent verses
0:09:38 the violent verses also sadly are more
0:09:40 numerous in number then you've got the
0:09:42 life of muhammad again a bad man a very
0:09:45 bad man it has to be not a great role
0:09:47 model if you look at it uh it takes
0:09:50 child brides abuses a small girl
0:09:53 multiple wives uh himself a warrior
0:09:56 himself a war criminal himself beheads
0:09:58 uh
0:09:59 jews
0:10:00 this i would have thought would be a
0:10:01 signal of not great peacefulness so he
0:10:04 makes a series of as you saw with that
0:10:06 clip here
0:10:07 this
0:10:08 man
0:10:09 makes a series of claims about islam and
0:10:12 this is the video he sent me by the way
0:10:13 on twitter he said this is why i speak
0:10:15 about islam as if to shobot to
0:10:16 grandstand to show me something i didn't
0:10:18 know
0:10:21 and this is what you have to present
0:10:23 blunder after blunder of the blunder
0:10:25 let's go over each one of them he said
0:10:27 the quran is bad that's an assertion and
0:10:30 this is a static aesthetic value
0:10:31 judgment and it's not based on evidence
0:10:34 so i will not even um dignify that with
0:10:36 a response he states the peaceful verses
0:10:39 are superseded by the violent ones
0:10:41 that's not true in its entirety in fact
0:10:44 that's not true at all you have verses
0:10:47 like chapter 60 verse 8.
0:10:59 60 verse 8 that allah does not forbid
0:11:01 you to be good with those non-muslims
0:11:03 who have not tried to kill you and not
0:11:05 try to kick you out of your homes that
0:11:07 you be good with them and you be just
0:11:08 with them because allah he loves the
0:11:09 just
0:11:10 that's not abrogated and it's not
0:11:12 superseded by any verse is it peaceful
0:11:14 yes or no you answer me my questions
0:11:17 since you're the one making the claims
0:11:19 yeah you answer my questions now because
0:11:21 imagine if you are right in front of me
0:11:23 you're talking about my body he was
0:11:25 trying to body shame me the guy was
0:11:26 trying to talk about my body this
0:11:29 you're trying to talk about me and even
0:11:31 your followers were saying actually
0:11:33 you know i think you know
0:11:34 anyways i'm not going to say anything
0:11:36 but you can go and see on twitter what
0:11:37 his followers were saying
0:11:39 what your boyfriend maybe have been
0:11:41 saying and other people
0:11:43 but anyway the first thing you say is
0:11:44 that the the verses of the quran
0:11:47 are superseded the peaceful ones yeah
0:11:50 so is this a peaceful verse or not
0:11:51 chapter 60 verse 8
0:11:53 answer me the question
0:11:55 what about chapter 4 verse 90
0:12:06 except for the ones
0:12:08 that they come to you and there's a
0:12:09 peace treaty between you uh you too or
0:12:12 that you and all that they've come with
0:12:14 peace
0:12:15 this is not abrogated this verse is not
0:12:17 abrogated
0:12:26 fight those who fight you and do not go
0:12:29 across the bounds do not transgress the
0:12:30 bounds because allah does not like those
0:12:32 who transgress the bounds
0:12:35 is that superseded is that abrogated
0:12:38 this is my these are my questions i mean
0:12:41 you tell me if you
0:12:43 when the prophet muhammad said
0:12:50 that whoever kills a non-combatant
0:12:52 non-believer will not smell the
0:12:53 fragrance of heaven has that been
0:12:55 abrogated my question is
0:12:57 the answer is no the prophet told us
0:13:00 which you won't find in jewish or judah
0:13:02 christian tradition very clear
0:13:05 if you if you go to war do not kill the
0:13:06 old person the woman the chil the child
0:13:08 mckenna alejandr
0:13:10 he said about a woman it's not for this
0:13:12 woman it's a woman dead in the
0:13:13 battlefield it's not for her to be
0:13:14 killed
0:13:17 he reiterated the same commands so these
0:13:20 are just
0:13:21 old orientalist tropes misconceptions
0:13:24 which unfortunately because you have
0:13:26 been reading bernard lewis and ibn raqqa
0:13:29 who is not a school you mentioned he's a
0:13:30 scholar he's not a scholar but lewis is
0:13:31 a historian what's he got to do with
0:13:33 theology of islam
0:13:34 so you don't even know how to quote
0:13:36 proper authorities on these points
0:13:39 yeah
0:13:40 because you've been reading these people
0:13:41 you don't know how to nuance the
0:13:43 discussion you have become ignorant you
0:13:45 are ignorant you don't know how to
0:13:47 access primary source material you don't
0:13:49 know how to be honest with the sources
0:13:51 and when you try your best you fail
0:13:54 look you've just stated two sentences
0:13:56 about islam and the only thing that i
0:13:58 see you speaking about the religion
0:13:59 directly and you've already made two
0:14:01 mistakes
0:14:02 let's go on though
0:14:05 you say that
0:14:07 there are more basically the violent
0:14:09 verses
0:14:10 are more numerous than the the peaceful
0:14:12 ones there's
0:14:13 6236 verses of the quran
0:14:16 now i don't know
0:14:17 have you read the the translation of the
0:14:19 meanings of the quran because if you
0:14:21 have it's impossible to come to that
0:14:23 conclusion
0:14:24 it is impossible to come to that
0:14:26 conclusion are you telling me of a ratio
0:14:29 that the violent verses are more than
0:14:31 the non-violent verses in the quran then
0:14:33 you've you maybe have been reading the
0:14:35 art of war not the quran
0:14:37 you've been reading another book
0:14:39 this is a foolish statement that no one
0:14:41 who has read the quran even the
0:14:42 translations of the meanings of would
0:14:44 ever make you you're ignorant how dare
0:14:47 you even think that you can debate me
0:14:49 you can speak to me you're not qualified
0:14:51 you're not you're not even that popular
0:14:53 to be honest let's be honest who are you
0:14:54 anyway who are you to try and step up
0:14:56 like this who are you
0:14:58 of all you respect and you come and talk
0:14:59 about islam you talk about muslims need
0:15:01 to be treated
0:15:03 in this way and that way in the other
0:15:04 way
0:15:05 that they are ticking time bombs that's
0:15:06 another quote of his by the way they're
0:15:07 a demographic ticking time bomb
0:15:10 well i'll tell you what we're an
0:15:12 intellectual you're an intellectual
0:15:13 ticking time bomb because now you're
0:15:15 starting to implode upon yourself
0:15:18 you are starting to implode upon
0:15:19 yourself and you're continuing to do
0:15:21 that now
0:15:23 then you say the life of muhammad he was
0:15:25 a bad man or another assertion did they
0:15:27 not teach you in gcse
0:15:29 that is p-e-e point evidence explanation
0:15:33 did they not teach you that one so you
0:15:35 stating muhammad was a bad man
0:15:40 you weak man you are a weak man you are
0:15:43 a weak man look at you making
0:15:46 an error in every statement that every
0:15:49 sentence that you utter towards islam
0:15:51 about islam you're uttering it with
0:15:54 erroneous statements filled with
0:15:56 philosophy
0:15:58 and totally you are an imbecile you are
0:16:00 an imbecile what kind of debility is
0:16:03 this what kind of intellectual debility
0:16:06 imbecility personality is this
0:16:10 i tell you
0:16:12 i think you know and i know this
0:16:13 wouldn't end well if we were standing
0:16:15 next to each other and we were having an
0:16:16 intellectual discussion
0:16:18 and that's why you scurried along didn't
0:16:20 you that's the real reason why you
0:16:21 scurried along you put
0:16:23 you put your tail between your legs and
0:16:25 you had to run away
0:16:27 you tried to engage me on twitter
0:16:30 but you wouldn't engage me face to face
0:16:34 and then he says he abuses a small child
0:16:38 or a small girl
0:16:39 give me the evidence of that
0:16:41 where's the evidence of abuse
0:16:43 when ah isha herself who you referred to
0:16:47 i isha herself
0:16:49 she states that the prophet he never hit
0:16:51 any of his wives he was never abusive to
0:16:54 any of his wives or his servants ana
0:16:56 malek himself said that he the prophet
0:16:59 never so much
0:17:01 as
0:17:02 uttered
0:17:03 vocalizations of contempt and you're
0:17:05 talking about abuse what's the evidence
0:17:07 you're historically impotent
0:17:09 you're incapable intellectually
0:17:11 incapable of producing the goods
0:17:14 the knowledge goods on these matters
0:17:19 and then he says multiple wives
0:17:22 what's the problem with having multiple
0:17:23 wives you haven't given us a moral
0:17:25 reason why having multiple wives is
0:17:27 wrong
0:17:29 a warrior why is that bad thing to have
0:17:30 a warrior prophet
0:17:33 being a warrior is a good thing so
0:17:34 you're mentioning these things
0:17:36 warrior and then he states he himself
0:17:39 beheads the jews okay i want you to give
0:17:41 me one evidence from the seed of the
0:17:43 biography of the prophet where he
0:17:45 beheads jewish people because they're
0:17:47 jewish in fact if he beheads any jewish
0:17:49 people at all the prophet muhammad never
0:17:52 beheaded the jew that never happened
0:17:54 you're a liar you are a liar
0:17:56 and if you are talking about banu
0:17:57 quraida the 600 jewish people that were
0:18:00 executed because of treachery
0:18:02 and even that treachery was was realized
0:18:05 by historians in the western academy
0:18:08 people like karen armstrong who are in
0:18:10 her book the short introduction to islam
0:18:13 unequivocally and unambiguously details
0:18:15 the main reason for such a thing
0:18:18 or author
0:18:20 being or not even ben
0:18:22 i should say
0:18:23 the combatants among them
0:18:25 were was because of treachery war
0:18:28 treachery that happened in the battle of
0:18:29 khandak
0:18:30 and if it was a matter of genocide and
0:18:32 disposable disposing of jewish people
0:18:34 then why did the prophet muhammad
0:18:35 sallallahu salaam do a constitution of
0:18:37 medina
0:18:38 why did he guarantee the rights of the
0:18:39 jewish people why did he not do the same
0:18:42 thing with bernoulli
0:18:44 why why did he marry a jew
0:18:47 why in the quran in chapter number 59
0:18:49 verse number four
0:18:50 it states on this issue of banuk
0:18:56 it gives the reason for why the
0:18:58 hostilities took place between the some
0:19:01 muslim tribes and some jewish tribes
0:19:03 that is because they oppose allah and
0:19:05 his messenger
0:19:07 it's not because delhi
0:19:09 that's because they were jewish bro with
0:19:11 all due respect you don't know what
0:19:13 you're talking about you do not know
0:19:15 what you're talking about yeah and so
0:19:17 this is the thing you can you can be a
0:19:19 critic of islam in your little echo
0:19:21 chamber but you are a coward and you are
0:19:23 not courageous as jordan peterson said
0:19:25 you were because if you were and i give
0:19:27 credit to you and peterson for having a
0:19:29 conversation with me which was kurt
0:19:30 which was courteous and cordial
0:19:34 if you were you would at least talk to
0:19:35 me and with whatever energy you come to
0:19:37 me with i'll come to you with that
0:19:39 energy but the energy that you've been
0:19:41 coming to the whole muslim community
0:19:42 with talking to us about taking time
0:19:44 bombs talking to us about unequal rights
0:19:46 for our community talking to us about
0:19:48 religion being a religion of opportunism
0:19:52 yeah the religion itself is an
0:19:53 opportunistic religion and other such
0:19:56 things for a man that's unqualified
0:19:57 untrained or otherwise
0:19:59 unaware
0:20:01 you really can't make a case for
0:20:02 yourself can you
0:20:04 so next time you utter the word islam or
0:20:06 next time you utter the word muslim from
0:20:08 your mouth well next time you or your
0:20:11 your institute that you found it
0:20:12 co-founded
0:20:14 produce reports remember
0:20:17 that it's hypocrisy that runs
0:20:20 through your veins
0:20:22 not not just blood but hypocrisy that
0:20:25 runs through every artery and every vein
0:20:27 in your body
0:20:29 you talk about freedom of speech
0:20:32 and cancer culture but you do
0:20:35 to the traditionalist muslims and
0:20:36 orthodox muslims what you claim the left
0:20:39 has done to you that's the reality of
0:20:40 the situation that is the reality of the
0:20:43 situation and you
0:20:45 you do anything
0:20:47 but embody either spirit or word of what
0:20:50 the liberal theorist said which is that
0:20:52 i disapprove of what you say but i
0:20:54 defend to the death your right to say it
0:20:58 you don't embody that in either spirit
0:21:00 or sentiment because you are a coward
0:21:02 and you are a hypocrite
0:21:04 and that is the reality of the situation
0:21:06 and for those who want to see
0:21:08 bridges being built
0:21:10 and you know civility
0:21:12 and lack of toxicity and so on i say as
0:21:16 the arabs say allah yeah we want that as
0:21:18 well the muslim community does actually
0:21:20 want coexistence and harmony we do but
0:21:22 you can't reasonably ask me
0:21:25 all my community
0:21:26 to be
0:21:27 an accomplice to our own murder
0:21:30 was
0:21:32 allah