Jihad | Mohammed Hijab (2022-12-12) ​

0:00:00 oh
0:00:05 assalamualaikum
0:00:07 how are you guys doing in the sessions
0:00:11 that we have just completed we did a
0:00:13 mini series about some of the modern
0:00:15 Trends in Islam we started actually with
0:00:18 some Kalam type topics we spoke about
0:00:20 and these kind of things and then we
0:00:23 moved to some of the modern trends
0:00:25 now we're going to be talking about now
0:00:29 this is the final thing we're going to
0:00:30 be doing right before we start the
0:00:33 intellectual serum on the uh on General
0:00:35 inshallah so this is going to be about
0:00:37 six lessons all together
0:00:39 and we're going to cover some things
0:00:41 which we've already covered before but
0:00:42 because of the importance of these
0:00:43 topics and the uh the repetitive nature
0:00:47 of us either hearing these topics or
0:00:50 dealing with them
0:00:51 we're going to be covering some of them
0:00:53 again
0:00:54 and some other topics in some greater
0:00:56 detail that we haven't before the first
0:00:59 thing we're going to be looking at today
0:01:00 is Jihad
0:01:02 which of course is something I think
0:01:05 we've covered before
0:01:07 but this time we have to cover it uh
0:01:09 with a bit more participation because
0:01:10 I've spoken a lot you know in the in the
0:01:13 past so the first question I want to ask
0:01:16 is what is Jihad and what are the
0:01:19 different types of jihad
0:01:23 is it to um to strive and struggle great
0:01:26 so there's a linguistic definition
0:01:29 and then there is you call a
0:01:30 terminological definition okay and this
0:01:33 subdivision of linguistic and
0:01:36 terminological definition is something
0:01:38 we need to get used to they say
0:01:40 the terminology and English so what
0:01:43 you've mentioned is correct is the
0:01:44 linguistic definition
0:01:47 and this linguistic definition
0:01:50 is in the Quran for example in the end
0:01:52 of the
0:01:53 end part of the 29th chapter
0:01:58 foreign
0:02:17 so this takes more of the uh linguistic
0:02:21 you know because Fina
0:02:24 so they have strived in our way this is
0:02:26 the kind of translation you're going to
0:02:27 find for this particular verse in the
0:02:29 Quran so certainly it's not a wrong
0:02:33 thing to say because many people think
0:02:34 this is us being apologetic by saying
0:02:36 that Jihad means to strive into struggle
0:02:39 it's not actually it's the linguistic
0:02:40 term
0:02:41 you know is uh what it means and there
0:02:43 is different types of jihad and one of
0:02:45 the jihads is in fact jihadun nefts so
0:02:48 what is Jihad of neff's
0:02:52 um they had the one
0:02:56 so basically
0:02:57 I would describe me trying to improve
0:03:00 become better Muslim but um
0:03:04 praying on time so something that you
0:03:08 fight with your own enough to become
0:03:10 yeah so the Neffs absolutely is a good
0:03:13 answer is enough is the self or the soul
0:03:16 or the self whatever how you want to
0:03:17 translate it
0:03:18 and jihadon nafs is basically you kind
0:03:21 of fighting against yourself for lack of
0:03:24 a better term
0:03:25 about doing so in the spirit of self
0:03:28 spiritual self-improvement
0:03:30 and what other ways you can do jihadana
0:03:43 so by becoming more spiritual also uh
0:03:51 praying for instance okay brilliant
0:03:53 that's uh an excellent way of putting it
0:03:57 said
0:04:01 and I think this is
0:04:04 which basically and I was looking into
0:04:06 this had these very beautiful and
0:04:07 interesting Hadith
0:04:10 that learning
0:04:12 you know it comes from you exerting
0:04:14 yourself to extract knowledge yeah
0:04:17 or
0:04:19 acquiring knowledges from from doing for
0:04:21 the process of actually extracting the
0:04:23 knowledge and Helm is forbearance
0:04:25 This Is How They translate hello Right
0:04:27 But it includes
0:04:30 it includes having self-control
0:04:34 in situations where it's difficult to do
0:04:36 so it also includes
0:04:38 being kind and so on for your you know
0:04:41 people that you uh that you might not
0:04:43 find it easy to do so because
0:04:47 so you need to be a practitioner of helm
0:04:50 in other words the best way to improve
0:04:53 yourself is by doing the activity
0:04:57 that to be patient you have to put
0:04:59 yourself in situation
0:05:02 Where You Are
0:05:05 afflicted by something and then you
0:05:07 overcome it
0:05:09 but you know and this is a beautiful
0:05:12 thing I'll tell you something I was
0:05:13 looking at actually
0:05:16 in Psychology and many of you have heard
0:05:18 the PTSD
0:05:20 post-traumatic stress disorder
0:05:23 and actually I was reading a book some
0:05:24 time ago by some guy called van der kolk
0:05:28 and the book was called the body keep
0:05:29 score
0:05:30 and he was an individual who actually
0:05:32 pioneered the diagnosis of PTSD
0:05:36 and was people that came after War I
0:05:38 think it was the Vietnam War the Second
0:05:39 World War
0:05:40 where they came to a center and he was
0:05:42 explaining in the book like how you know
0:05:44 he he put together these kinds of
0:05:47 general diagnoses which then he could
0:05:50 identify people had PTSD
0:05:52 and PTSD is where a trauma in your life
0:05:55 has caused you to
0:05:57 kind of revisit that trauma and he gave
0:06:00 very interesting uh kind of you know
0:06:03 examples he was saying like when he
0:06:05 gives participants their chance
0:06:08 to recall an event if it's an event
0:06:11 which is traumatic they are more likely
0:06:12 to remember and recall all the
0:06:15 particulars of that event
0:06:16 whereas if it's an event which is not so
0:06:19 then the memory of it is less Vivid and
0:06:22 so these are some of the things of PTSD
0:06:24 obviously nightmare scares panic attack
0:06:25 all that stuff it's become a formal
0:06:27 diagnosis
0:06:29 but there's another thing which is very
0:06:31 interesting Which is less spoken about
0:06:34 which is called ptg
0:06:36 which is referred to as post-traumatic
0:06:38 growth
0:06:39 which in many ways the crudely put it is
0:06:42 the opposite of PTSD
0:06:43 is where calamity
0:06:45 of in Life or in such as you know has
0:06:50 put you in a position which is improved
0:06:52 you look in the world in a different way
0:06:54 now because of the calamity
0:06:56 and I was speaking with my uncle when I
0:06:59 went to Egypt in Alexandria
0:07:01 I think I told some of you guys this and
0:07:03 he he had this very my maternal Uncle he
0:07:05 had a very traumatic experience where he
0:07:08 was living in a in an apartment flat and
0:07:11 his wife was there the kids were there
0:07:12 at the kids
0:07:13 and then the the building fell and they
0:07:16 all died his wife and kids died and then
0:07:18 he had another child uh oh she's my
0:07:20 cousins a long time ago
0:07:22 they had another child living in another
0:07:24 country and she died from natural causes
0:07:26 and then some time after that his mom
0:07:28 died
0:07:29 you know so I was speaking to him and
0:07:31 the way he speaks
0:07:33 it is absolutely uh renewed he goes I
0:07:38 don't look at the world in a different
0:07:39 way I completely look at the world in a
0:07:40 different way now because these cars
0:07:42 moving here completely I said how so I
0:07:45 said
0:07:45 every second I consider it to be extra
0:07:48 time a bonus time
0:07:50 like it's different when you live
0:07:52 through a situation like that but when
0:07:54 you come out with this stomach or this
0:07:55 fruit of post-traumatic growth these are
0:07:57 the kinds of things which uh which
0:08:01 has a spiritual and psychological
0:08:03 lasting impact
0:08:05 there's a beautiful verse
0:08:08 what Allah says and guys can correct me
0:08:11 um
0:08:21 there are some people who worship around
0:08:24 the edge
0:08:25 literally on the edge if something
0:08:28 happens to him which is like good he's
0:08:30 happy with it my nebby
0:08:31 when I saw a better Fitness
0:08:33 and if Fitness or a trump trauma
0:08:36 afflicts him he falls on his face he
0:08:40 loses the world and the era hereafter
0:08:43 so I'm not saying you can't have
0:08:44 prostraumatic stress as well as a Muslim
0:08:45 I'm saying if it reaches the level of
0:08:47 yes
0:08:48 and if which is hopelessness this is
0:08:54 actually because
0:08:59 Quran says that whoever who will be the
0:09:02 one who has hopelessness of the mercy of
0:09:04 God except for the disbelievers
0:09:07 interestingly it's not something that is
0:09:08 mentioned in the market is
0:09:10 that you know the turn is I don't know
0:09:12 why he put that he should have put this
0:09:13 you know if you lose hope
0:09:16 of the mercy of Allah then uh then you
0:09:20 can become a disbeliever actually okay
0:09:22 it's what yakub was saying and he was
0:09:24 the figurehead of patience to his son
0:09:29 or generally about the situation that he
0:09:32 was in the point is I'm making is
0:09:34 should not be underestimated I think we
0:09:37 know that I think that was reading he
0:09:40 was talking about that's quite a length
0:09:41 actually it's not something which we're
0:09:43 retreating when we talk about Jihad and
0:09:45 Neffs or self Jihad whatever it's not
0:09:49 something which
0:09:51 is fake or something which is PC or
0:09:54 politically correct or something it's
0:09:56 something we should actually focus on
0:09:57 the spiritual side of our religion
0:10:01 so because we talk about Jihad and if we
0:10:03 speak about fighting for this whole
0:10:04 session
0:10:05 it may give the wrong impression which
0:10:07 is that the only fighting that has to be
0:10:09 done is against people not against
0:10:11 ourselves
0:10:12 and there is Jihad against itself and
0:10:14 there's a Jihad against the devil
0:10:15 shaytan
0:10:17 there's Jihad against all of these
0:10:18 forces which we believe metaphysical
0:10:19 force and spiritual forces as well
0:10:22 now that we've put that on the table
0:10:23 what other types of jihad is there what
0:10:26 are the taxi met the heart put
0:10:27 forward
0:10:30 what other categorizations are there
0:10:33 there's obvious on the physical one
0:10:35 within the physical one what what are
0:10:38 the um
0:10:40 categories a defensive and proactive
0:10:42 beautiful okay so can you give us some
0:10:45 understanding of that
0:10:48 well defensive would be uh defending
0:10:51 yourself and your community from
0:10:52 Outsiders or
0:10:54 antagonists and then proactive would be
0:10:57 proactively uh attacking somebody for a
0:11:01 legitimate reason sorry reason and give
0:11:04 us some examples in history where both
0:11:06 of those things happened
0:11:08 right uh the Battle of Buddhism industry
0:11:10 for example sorry in Islamic history
0:11:12 yeah the Battle of Badr would be a case
0:11:14 for a defensive one um
0:11:16 with the Battle of motor right which was
0:11:18 a defensive uh it was more of a raid
0:11:21 right
0:11:22 yeah I mean you can make the argument
0:11:24 that because you know if you look at the
0:11:25 the reasons why the Mott happened like
0:11:28 the Emissary was sent and then it was
0:11:30 killed and these kind of things there
0:11:31 was kind of it was responsive
0:11:33 but certainly like fat Mecca was
0:11:35 expansive and all those you know these
0:11:38 things that came after
0:11:40 like honey
0:11:42 was it was proactive right so you know
0:11:45 is
0:11:46 you know when you were a lot of people
0:11:49 uh well
0:11:51 you know and the Earth swallowed you
0:11:53 because of ways so this was a time when
0:11:55 the Muslims were a lot you know and this
0:11:57 expanding now and it happened at that
0:11:59 time of the prophet
0:12:00 and the majority of the prophet's
0:12:01 conflicts though were defensible
0:12:03 proactive in his time the majority were
0:12:06 defensive though that's not to say there
0:12:08 was no proactive ones we're saying the
0:12:10 vast majority were defensive yeah
0:12:12 now um let's move on to the next uh to
0:12:17 the next slide
0:12:24 now if someone says well if your
0:12:26 religion has to have an expansionist
0:12:29 element
0:12:31 uh so then therefore there is no
0:12:34 situation or conceivability of Peace
0:12:37 being made between Muslims and
0:12:38 non-muslims how would you respond Maddie
0:12:39 to that yeah so like people who are
0:12:43 confused or Christians maybe even of
0:12:44 other religions that could live within
0:12:46 the Islamic State so okay so that's
0:12:48 within the Islamic State you're right so
0:12:49 now you've got the Islamic State inside
0:12:51 of it and then you've got elizuma the
0:12:53 more I heard the Muslim all these people
0:12:55 like where they have a contract it
0:12:57 doesn't We're Not Gonna is it I mean
0:12:59 false conversion or do we believe in
0:13:00 force conversion or no
0:13:03 um
0:13:05 so there's no compulsion of religion so
0:13:07 it's not possible to compel other people
0:13:10 or force them to join Islam okay now so
0:13:13 what about
0:13:14 uh if we're living in a modern age
0:13:18 if we look at the books of now they
0:13:21 still speak about Jihad or talab some of
0:13:23 them say it has to be done every year
0:13:26 like each other has to be done every
0:13:28 year
0:13:30 so in the modern world how do we
0:13:32 navigate this reality if it has to be
0:13:34 another year then as someone brings it
0:13:37 to you says look it says in your book of
0:13:38 that has to be done has to be done every
0:13:41 year
0:13:41 or every other year or every whatever
0:13:43 yeah so how would you respond to that in
0:13:46 the light of the qurans on that and
0:13:48 the fact that you've gone through before
0:13:50 uh I said there's like certain
0:13:52 stipulations to do you have to turn up
0:13:54 so you have to realize certain criteria
0:13:56 to be able to do that and the current
0:13:58 Muslim uh situation doesn't matter
0:14:01 excellent so that's one way of looking
0:14:04 at it but even if we had the fully
0:14:06 fledged Islamic governance which was
0:14:08 fully legitimate
0:14:09 is it within its power Checker to uh
0:14:13 uh on on other grounds and what kinds of
0:14:16 grounds would there be to create some
0:14:17 kind of treaty
0:14:19 yeah so um if you have uh treaties in
0:14:22 place or agreements with other states or
0:14:24 other polities then it wouldn't be
0:14:26 allowed for you to be treacherous
0:14:30 were made that you have to maintain your
0:14:32 your treaties your covenants with other
0:14:33 peoples and uh it would actually be and
0:14:36 you could actually argue that in many
0:14:38 situations it could be in the interest
0:14:39 of the Muslims to have those treaties or
0:14:41 covenants in places did at certain times
0:14:44 for strategic reasons so it's very
0:14:46 feasible beautiful and so means what how
0:14:50 do you translate that I had to be
0:14:51 faithful to your contracts or your
0:14:53 agreements is that general rule
0:14:57 Muslims are Muslims okay so now I've got
0:15:01 a question and this may be a bit of a
0:15:03 for you a shocker in the Quran what is
0:15:06 the only exception that maybe I'm saying
0:15:09 the only but one of the only I should
0:15:10 say or give me an example of a chronic
0:15:12 exception of where you shouldn't
0:15:14 fulfill your contract this might be a
0:15:16 difficult question
0:15:21 but you shouldn't before your contract
0:15:23 yeah
0:15:27 I'm gonna give you any uh you okay
0:15:29 everyone can get involved but I'm not
0:15:31 gonna give you any
0:15:32 are we considering situations where the
0:15:34 other side has already broken the
0:15:35 contract first okay what's the area
0:15:37 the first episode October
0:15:40 okay that could be but there's something
0:15:42 more clear I'm thinking about
0:15:50 if they if they started
0:15:51 there's something more clear than this
0:15:54 about breaking the contract about what
0:15:56 you're where you shouldn't for filter
0:15:58 contracts
0:16:05 what I'm thinking about is
0:16:13 this is a situation where you shouldn't
0:16:15 fulfill the contract
0:16:17 because it says if they if they break
0:16:20 their contract
0:16:23 after they have made a contract with you
0:16:27 and they've attacked your religion now
0:16:32 then fight the leaders of this belief
0:16:34 so contracts are two-way situations
0:16:38 you know they it's not just one way it's
0:16:40 two ways
0:16:42 I mean if they break it there's no
0:16:44 contract anymore
0:16:45 if there's if any you can't make a
0:16:47 contract so they break it and they say
0:16:49 well why are you doing X which we've
0:16:52 agreed to because you've already broken
0:16:53 the contract there is no contract no
0:16:54 more
0:16:58 when the the people left the battlefield
0:17:03 and they had a contract to
0:17:06 um you know when they were when they
0:17:08 actually left the battlefield High Court
0:17:10 the quarter of the army left and they
0:17:12 broke the contract there and then which
0:17:15 one I was talking about
0:17:16 um I think it's the the first one
0:17:19 brother yeah were they literally left
0:17:22 the battlefield because the prophet
0:17:24 didn't listen to their Council one of
0:17:26 them
0:17:27 yes sorry yes uh I wouldn't say that's a
0:17:31 contract issue I think that's more of a
0:17:33 bar issue like an obedience issue okay
0:17:36 because you know uh
0:17:40 Allah says he gives uh the prophet
0:17:42 sallam advice on how to do them for you
0:17:46 know proposing them forgive them and
0:17:48 seek their counsel in the affair
0:17:51 you know
0:17:53 Allah and when you have made up your
0:17:56 mind on the issue then have Reliance on
0:17:58 God and so on
0:18:01 um so this is how contracts work in
0:18:03 Islam and this is I've mentioned this
0:18:04 before I feel this is a very good point
0:18:07 of commonality between liberal Theory
0:18:09 and Islam
0:18:11 because consent and contract work in
0:18:13 both
0:18:14 uh
0:18:15 kind of World Views
0:18:17 consent and contracts
0:18:19 are very important to wealth so it makes
0:18:23 it possible for there to be business and
0:18:24 so on
0:18:26 there's three is which uh I think
0:18:29 everyone should know and I've mentioned
0:18:31 this I think to you guys before but I
0:18:32 this is important for us to because this
0:18:34 comes up all the time
0:18:36 what areas would you bring to the table
0:18:38 if I were to say listen Islam is a
0:18:40 religion which cannot get along with
0:18:41 other people of other faiths
0:18:43 what areas would you bring uh uh let's
0:18:47 say would you say
0:18:51 um
0:18:52 well um I know that if if we're living
0:18:56 in a we have to obey the rulers
0:18:59 even if they're non-muslim
0:19:02 as I don't know if that's relevant at
0:19:05 all so we can we can
0:19:08 yeah
0:19:11 I'm sorry I I don't know no worries
0:19:14 think about the Ayers in the Quran which
0:19:17 which one can think about to exhibit
0:19:20 coexistence that we don't want to combat
0:19:23 the
0:19:24 or that like any for example a
0:19:27 non-muslim person that we don't have to
0:19:29 have an adversary relationship with them
0:19:37 that you can uh
0:19:40 that you can uh marry there
0:19:43 the junior Christian
0:19:44 and what would you be trying to prove of
0:19:46 that well you know it's a bit I guess
0:19:49 impractical with
0:19:51 on one hand I guess someone says you're
0:19:53 supposed to kill non-muslim is that
0:19:54 right but then on the other hand you're
0:19:55 marrying them
0:19:56 it's like they'll say that's the
0:19:58 exception to the rule
0:20:02 I'm just like you know
0:20:04 so you have to kill all of them except
0:20:06 the ones that you marry yeah and don't
0:20:07 tell once you take the slaves as well
0:20:09 I'm just playing those Advocates yeah so
0:20:11 how would you respond to this
0:20:13 okay now you go to the these are the
0:20:16 ones this is these are the ones right so
0:20:18 this is chapter 60 verse eight all right
0:20:21 this is the one that you lay in hakima I
0:20:23 didn't like what
0:20:27 this is the one bring it because this is
0:20:29 a good air like for this kind of purpose
0:20:31 chapter 60 verse
0:20:33 it
0:20:34 that Allah doesn't how would you
0:20:36 translate this
0:20:37 uh Allah is not forbidden you in
0:20:39 relation to those who don't uh those who
0:20:43 don't fight you in your religion or kick
0:20:44 you out of your homes
0:20:45 from being
0:20:47 um kind and cordial or unjust with them
0:20:51 okay who does Allah
0:20:55 those who do do those things so those
0:20:57 who fight you in religion they kick you
0:21:00 off your homes
0:21:02 and they uh like come together aiding
0:21:05 and assisting each other in
0:21:07 um expelling you from your homes
0:21:10 is that what you do that once it
0:21:12 continue that how's it going
0:21:13 to move
0:21:16 right
0:21:18 that you cannot be allies with that yeah
0:21:21 you can't be a lot of those individuals
0:21:22 here and whoever does so is
0:21:25 I think is
0:21:27 you know transgressors or all the evil
0:21:30 the the oppressors or the unjust ones
0:21:34 so
0:21:37 Allah is telling us two things who we
0:21:39 should have called your relationships
0:21:42 with and who we shouldn't
0:21:45 I was speaking to one guy before who
0:21:49 told me about his situation
0:21:51 with some tech feed groups
0:21:56 some some like you know
0:21:58 extremist groups or something like
0:22:00 radical
0:22:01 and he was saying
0:22:03 that he was saying to them you know this
0:22:05 Hadith
0:22:07 where
0:22:08 the woman gets punished because she's
0:22:11 torturing the cat
0:22:14 and he said to him like what do you
0:22:15 think of this Hadith he said yeah it
0:22:17 shows you Haram to torture a cat
0:22:20 he goes what do you think of torturing
0:22:21 the disbelievers
0:22:23 he said that you know it's different
0:22:26 so this guy he was responding apparently
0:22:28 like this is a chain of he was like
0:22:30 if Islam is a religion which doesn't
0:22:33 even allow you
0:22:34 to harm an animal
0:22:36 how could it be a religion which allows
0:22:38 you to harm human beings
0:22:40 and animals and children and these kinds
0:22:43 of things
0:22:46 and this is goes back to the Hadith
0:22:48 which many of you should know
0:22:50 the first Hadith they teach you and kind
0:22:52 of Hadith studies and
0:22:54 they says
0:22:56 it's like
0:23:00 this is a different one
0:23:02 is
0:23:05 have mercy to those who are on the earth
0:23:07 and the one who's in the heaven will
0:23:09 have mercy on you
0:23:12 and man is
0:23:13 one of the general terms so the general
0:23:16 rule is actually to have mercy to people
0:23:19 and so for example Allah
0:23:23 and say good things to people
0:23:26 you know and so this idea that there's
0:23:29 an initial adversariality or there's an
0:23:32 initial enmity
0:23:34 or there's an initial antagonism or
0:23:36 initial whatever
0:23:37 this is not really the spirit or the
0:23:39 letter of Islamic law
0:23:41 because there's islamically there's
0:23:43 initial Mercy
0:23:45 you know there's initial safety and
0:23:47 mercy and and then after that whatever
0:23:49 happens happens through uh
0:23:52 instrumentality or exception
0:23:55 but it's not the initial state of it's
0:23:57 not what we want in in the in the
0:23:59 situation best case of the situation
0:24:01 so if Jihad happens it happens as a
0:24:03 result of either defending the territory
0:24:05 or freeing up new land that's basically
0:24:08 it
0:24:10 what other examples would you give
0:24:16 chapter 4 89
0:24:19 okay and uh remember you know the
0:24:22 contents of that
0:24:23 um
0:24:25 yeah please
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0:24:32 yeah but there's a bit in the middle of
0:24:34 it
0:24:46 is
0:24:54 490. is that right yeah yeah
0:25:01 so from what
0:25:03 I was playing
0:25:10 yeah so if they immigrate and become
0:25:13 a
0:25:22 except for the ones who are Illinois
0:25:42 um keep going
0:25:44 I think it's the highest punishment
0:25:45 interested oh okay yeah
0:25:51 no problemo
0:25:52 post-traumatical
0:26:11 maybe uh Mars yeah what is there
0:26:16 uh 498
0:26:18 um
0:26:20 first uh talks about who we can fight
0:26:23 and then we've talked about the
0:26:24 exception and mentions that the
0:26:26 exceptions are those who are allies
0:26:27 allies of a people you are bound within
0:26:30 a treaty of those uh wholeheartedly
0:26:32 opposed fighting either you or their own
0:26:33 people okay and what is this
0:26:37 the ones who came to you are
0:26:39 sorry it continues as a continuation
0:26:43 if Allah will he would have empowered
0:26:46 him to fight you so if they refrain from
0:26:48 fighting you and offer you peace then
0:26:49 Allah does not permit you to harm them
0:26:50 yeah so it's very clear isn't it yeah
0:26:52 this is not Aggregates from my
0:26:54 understanding
0:26:55 you know so these are good uh areas to
0:26:59 just bring because this idea of an
0:27:01 impossible coexistence is is defined by
0:27:04 these kinds of hadiths and ayas
0:27:10 okay so we need to make sure that we uh
0:27:15 we bring that I think another line of
0:27:17 argumentation is to show how many people
0:27:19 have been killed by each Civilization
0:27:21 now there is a book which I have here
0:27:23 I'm just going to stand up and get it
0:27:24 actually
0:27:25 I mentioned this I think before and but
0:27:28 I want you guys to this is an
0:27:30 interesting way of making an argument
0:27:32 and I know we've covered this before but
0:27:34 repetition sometimes is important
0:27:36 this is a book of War and Peace in Islam
0:27:39 yeah
0:27:40 and this guy
0:27:45 he he has these findings
0:27:50 which um
0:27:53 he he goes through like definitions what
0:27:56 he defines as well civilization so he
0:27:57 puts all these different
0:27:59 civilizations he does you know and this
0:28:02 is what he's got here
0:28:04 this is the ranking yeah he's got number
0:28:07 one he's got the anti-theists the
0:28:08 Buddhists the Christian the indic and
0:28:11 the Islamic yeah
0:28:12 and what he's showing is that the
0:28:14 minimum death toll maximum death toll
0:28:16 and median death toll for example the
0:28:18 antitheists they've got the highest if
0:28:20 they're considered a civilization
0:28:22 he puts a 95 million minimum to 152
0:28:26 maximum right he's got his own
0:28:28 methodology you can read it in your own
0:28:29 time but I'm just giving you an example
0:28:31 then you've got the Buddhist now people
0:28:33 don't associate war and death with
0:28:35 Buddhism for some reason even though we
0:28:37 have what we have with the above what's
0:28:39 going on Burma and the ringas
0:28:41 in recent in in contemporary times
0:28:44 for some reason Buddhism was seen as a
0:28:46 religion of the true religion of peace
0:28:48 or something even though the death tolls
0:28:50 and the wars
0:28:52 uh indicate to us
0:28:54 that's not the case
0:28:56 and here Christian or Christian
0:28:59 civilization well at least in practice
0:29:00 there has been war or from them
0:29:03 Christian civilizations in third place
0:29:05 119 million
0:29:07 to 236 million
0:29:10 this is the range
0:29:12 then you have the indic you know and
0:29:14 then you have the Islamic
0:29:16 so even if you look at it from a
0:29:18 perspective
0:29:19 of uh death toll numbers and we just
0:29:23 take a look at the 20th century it's
0:29:24 it's by far all you have to remember is
0:29:26 the 20th century is by far the most
0:29:29 uh many people have been killed in any
0:29:32 wars I've ever taken place the 20th
0:29:34 century World War One World War II you
0:29:35 have to remember that it's not these are
0:29:36 not Islamic
0:29:39 if you just remember this fact
0:29:42 it's it's
0:29:43 almost insulting
0:29:46 that people who come from civilizations
0:29:48 like these speak to us as if they have
0:29:51 the keys and we have you know they can
0:29:54 give us a lesson about this kind of
0:29:55 thing
0:29:56 obviously you saw me speak about this
0:29:58 with Jordan Peterson
0:30:00 and as you can see like he had to admit
0:30:02 you know his positioning and so like
0:30:05 it's not
0:30:06 it's indisputable you can't actually
0:30:09 dispute these evidences in these points
0:30:11 so just remember that
0:30:14 how else would you argue your point
0:30:15 let's see let's open up to the floor
0:30:17 Maggie how would you so what else now
0:30:18 let's imagine I am I'm gonna play those
0:30:20 advocate for a little bit uh you know an
0:30:22 atheist saying look your religion is a
0:30:24 religion of hate and uh it does not
0:30:26 encourage coexistence and solution of
0:30:29 Bloodshed and uh
0:30:31 you guys need to modernize
0:30:37 from Quran yeah now how would you now
0:30:41 I'm putting this to you how would you
0:30:42 respond to this
0:30:44 uh
0:30:45 now let him finish first let me we'll
0:30:47 come to you in a second here
0:30:48 this is my tree got there for 490
0:30:51 memorize yeah
0:30:57 beautiful okay so this is chapter five
0:30:59 verse 34. yeah yeah so if you're saying
0:31:03 how would you translate this first uh
0:31:06 whoever kill someone
0:31:08 without Yani the the right uh
0:31:14 to do so so they haven't killed the
0:31:17 person to kill somebody yeah so like a
0:31:19 non-combatant yeah
0:31:27 the entirety of mankind so I think it's
0:31:31 just like an evidence to show that Islam
0:31:34 isn't what they're saying
0:31:36 okay beautiful
0:31:37 um now what would you say for Khan tell
0:31:39 me so I'm coming with the same
0:31:40 interrogation how would you respond to
0:31:42 see so you say you said the
0:31:47 we Muslims
0:31:48 are here to kill everybody that's what
0:31:51 our religion teaches us so I would say
0:31:54 if that's the case
0:31:55 then we're doing a very poor job
0:31:58 and not only not only in recent years
0:32:02 but throughout history like we've been
0:32:05 then we've been very soft
0:32:08 with the rest of
0:32:11 the rest of the humanity
0:32:13 currently we're talking about don't deny
0:32:15 the fact that your religion was there to
0:32:17 initially instruct you to kill the
0:32:20 people there
0:32:21 initially
0:32:22 initially so now so there was that at
0:32:24 least at one point
0:32:26 and what happened after
0:32:28 I don't know you tell me I mean so you
0:32:30 don't deny this yeah
0:32:31 uh yeah then I but my point is
0:32:36 implausible deniability so you're
0:32:38 basically saying that
0:32:41 we used to be Muslims and then we
0:32:43 stopped with Muslims is that what you're
0:32:45 saying oh absolutely
0:32:47 I'm saying you I'm saying that you know
0:32:49 your religion instructs people to kill
0:32:51 innocent bystanders
0:32:53 but what
0:32:55 let me understand this so my experience
0:32:58 instructed me to kill and then he stops
0:33:00 instructing me to kill people is always
0:33:02 yeah I'm saying that's why my client I
0:33:04 don't I don't believe that I think it
0:33:06 was my religion was quite uh
0:33:09 uh
0:33:11 consistent on the on in there
0:33:18 the whole Crown okay well you have to be
0:33:20 more specific okay so next time be more
0:33:23 specific
0:33:24 uh sorry
0:33:27 foreign
0:33:32 so I say look
0:33:35 you have a Hadith that says
0:33:38 I've come to you with Slaughter and you
0:33:40 have another Hadith that says that you
0:33:42 know um I've been commanded to kill the
0:33:45 people
0:33:46 until they say
0:33:48 doesn't this indicate
0:33:51 that your religion is uh clearly
0:33:55 intolerant and is trying to kill people
0:33:58 that are non-combatants
0:34:00 yeah I would say if you take individual
0:34:03 pieces of evidence like this out of
0:34:05 context especially uh we could construct
0:34:08 any narrative that we want to so the the
0:34:10 wise thing to do or the academic thing
0:34:13 to do would be to take the evidence as a
0:34:15 whole uh which our Scholars have done
0:34:18 and see what the original uh and what
0:34:21 see what the religion says when you take
0:34:23 a holistic so what does your Prophet
0:34:25 mean by I've been commanded to kill the
0:34:27 people until I said is
0:34:30 no no he's not going to help you uh I
0:34:33 forgot the context of it so if you go
0:34:35 okay
0:34:37 exactly hold on a second hold on a
0:34:39 second but but unanimous consensus uh
0:34:42 that we don't we're not allowed to kill
0:34:44 innocent civilians regardless of so your
0:34:46 consensus goes overrides the Hadith
0:34:49 there must be in a different context
0:34:51 then uh so what is that context I'm not
0:34:53 sure
0:34:54 but I'm pretty sure the scholars who
0:34:57 came to the consensus knew it so imagine
0:34:59 what do you think the concern what do
0:35:00 you think you have to take the Hadith in
0:35:03 context of the Quran so the Ayah that I
0:35:06 mentioned so if you have the Hadith and
0:35:08 the Isle the Ayah has a higher weight of
0:35:11 epistemic weight than the Hadith so here
0:35:13 doesn't mean just to kill no no except
0:35:16 the Hadith we accept both how do you say
0:35:20 this one is specific
0:35:22 and the other one is that's it which
0:35:25 one's General diet
0:35:27 yes
0:35:37 and
0:35:41 we take in contact with the aisle and
0:35:44 the Hadith will never contradict what
0:35:46 the Ayah well here's you've got a
0:35:47 general decent a general eye and they
0:35:49 seem to be contradiction
0:35:54 what should we do with it how do we how
0:35:57 do we deal with this
0:35:59 the Hadith uh
0:36:04 like
0:36:05 you're saying that it means every single
0:36:07 human being
0:36:08 I'm saying yes this is including is that
0:36:11 including this issue yeah how is that
0:36:13 including Muslims I see that's that's
0:36:15 good now there you have it right yes you
0:36:17 know who argued on this basis because I
0:36:19 heard it from airports
0:36:22 he actually was doing shot of this
0:36:23 Hadith yeah he's a scholar of Hadith in
0:36:26 Egypt
0:36:27 and he says if we took the Hadith to be
0:36:29 I'm in a very clear way he goes I have
0:36:32 been commanded to kill the people that
0:36:33 would include Muslims as well so it
0:36:34 couldn't be accepted like this
0:36:37 that's what he was saying and he said
0:36:39 that so therefore it's a general is
0:36:44 which is like you know and what what
0:36:47 does that mean
0:36:48 so especially with a nurse like you can
0:36:51 have um there's generally speak anyways
0:36:53 if you have general terms like you can
0:36:55 use a general term in Arabic but intend
0:36:57 by something specific give me an example
0:36:59 that's indicated by it so even with the
0:37:00 word anas for example they say in Surah
0:37:02 Nisa uh
0:37:06 some of them say that that refers to the
0:37:08 prophet there's another area
0:37:14 I can see on the page what's up
0:37:21 not this one could you use that no
0:37:26 other people have come against you this
0:37:29 is the one yeah yeah so what is there
0:37:33 yeah
0:37:35 okay so here's the next what's the what
0:37:38 are you saying to uh that that if I
0:37:40 remember correctly I think it was
0:37:41 referring to
0:37:42 was it two people from um
0:37:52 since the Confederates are coming it's
0:37:55 not one it's not all the people it's
0:37:56 just a group of people yeah so it's this
0:37:58 is an example of a specific group of
0:38:00 people yeah so it's an example of
0:38:01 General's wording intended for specific
0:38:03 meaning but I put that out there because
0:38:05 it was a difficult one I want to see how
0:38:07 you guys are going to deal with it yeah
0:38:09 sorry
0:38:10 for Muslims
0:38:12 Professor didn't kill
0:38:14 everybody every non-muslim a good point
0:38:16 excellent so yeah good point he didn't
0:38:19 practice this one yeah brilliant that's
0:38:21 a good that's a good piece of evidence
0:38:23 so it couldn't mean that could it what
0:38:25 if I say now uh for Khan you know this
0:38:29 is a very
0:38:31 common interrogation chapter 929
0:38:36 .
0:38:39 you know that fight the ones who do not
0:38:42 believe in Allah in the last day
0:38:44 from the people who have been given the
0:38:46 kitab from the people who have been
0:38:49 given the the old you know the people of
0:38:50 the book
0:38:52 you know until they give the jizya in a
0:38:56 subordinate fashion
0:38:58 and they are subservient or
0:39:01 how it's clear here isn't it they're
0:39:05 saying you have to keep fighting
0:39:06 fighting the Christians and Jews until
0:39:09 they give jizya so it's compelling them
0:39:11 to give Jessica this shows you clearly
0:39:13 that it's about uh quote forcing people
0:39:16 to become Muslim
0:39:18 what would you say to something like
0:39:19 that isn't it easier for
0:39:22 for none so for Christians Jews living
0:39:25 in a Muslim land yes so I'm guessing if
0:39:30 the compulsory
0:39:32 uh power of
0:39:36 the Muslim country so if you want to
0:39:38 live in this country you need to pay
0:39:39 this
0:39:40 tax well this year okay and someone
0:39:43 refuses to do so
0:39:46 um I guess these consequences for that
0:39:49 yes but why'd you have to fight them to
0:39:51 get them to pay that so what are you
0:39:53 doing what are you expelling then
0:39:55 yeah I think you're on to something but
0:39:57 you can refine this okay because you're
0:40:00 a bit too non-apologetic here I think
0:40:02 you have to give them some level of
0:40:04 Justice
0:40:07 okay uh this is I think I'm asking you
0:40:11 like if they
0:40:15 if they don't pay
0:40:17 then
0:40:19 I mean this this needs to be a way
0:40:21 yeah nobody is saying you have to fight
0:40:23 them first then get them to pay after
0:40:25 what's going on here
0:40:26 taxes until they until they get the jizz
0:40:28 yeah so clearly they haven't not given
0:40:30 the Jersey enough so they haven't fight
0:40:31 them until they do it so I'm guessing
0:40:34 the context is when Muslims were still
0:40:36 fighting with the with the with the
0:40:39 numbers of questions I'm guessing you
0:40:41 know I'm meant to be the one asking you
0:40:42 so who's are you interested do you know
0:40:44 this or do you not know this you're
0:40:46 asking a late person for
0:40:48 [Laughter]
0:40:54 okay okay no but you're on the right
0:40:56 tracks I mean especially with this thing
0:40:59 of uh jizier being like a compulsory
0:41:01 taxes Jersey has not what I don't see I
0:41:03 actually don't I actually don't see the
0:41:05 controversy in Jersey at all I failed to
0:41:07 see the controversy in it they call it a
0:41:09 sec I remember in
0:41:10 um in University when the one person was
0:41:14 saying you have a discriminatory tax
0:41:16 called the jizier I said what is
0:41:18 discriminatory about it exactly what's
0:41:20 the problem with it what's your issue
0:41:21 with the jizier
0:41:22 says why is it that the Muslims get to
0:41:24 pay as a cat and the cat is more
0:41:27 actually you pay more in some cases
0:41:29 Muslim has to pay much more than I was
0:41:31 reading in this
0:41:32 or something the amount of money if you
0:41:36 have the cattle male and to get this one
0:41:39 and the Zara and this and the
0:41:41 plantations and
0:41:42 you might be paying a lot more
0:41:43 accounting than anyone will be paying
0:41:44 jizzier so it's not even about more it's
0:41:46 not more money necessarily that's not
0:41:48 what it's about so what is the issue
0:41:50 here
0:41:51 so that's I like that line of
0:41:53 augmentation it's just the name name
0:41:54 difference zakar is like has
0:41:57 purification connotations
0:41:59 they're also accepted from a lot of
0:42:02 things they don't have to fight do they
0:42:04 yeah there's a ward the uh the people
0:42:07 who play Jizzy they don't have to fight
0:42:08 is that right
0:42:09 yeah you don't have to fight yeah
0:42:11 basically you see it's subhanallah you
0:42:13 know just don't betray the Muslim
0:42:15 Community and stuff like that but as as
0:42:18 we've said this it's not really that
0:42:20 problematic I like that part of it it's
0:42:22 like hearing this but this how would you
0:42:25 uh assess the first part of 929
0:42:27 uh mahendi as in we're not going out to
0:42:31 enforce this on people
0:42:32 this is just like if we have a battle
0:42:34 between each other right who's talking
0:42:37 about who like if they're coming and
0:42:39 they're attacking us and we're defending
0:42:42 ourselves so if there's a war it's a
0:42:43 time of War it's not like we're going
0:42:45 out in this context right okay so how do
0:42:47 we know this is not talk about civilians
0:42:51 okay go tell me more about that so it's
0:42:54 just like Danny like
0:42:57 I just press it and it's just with
0:43:01 another person so it's reciprocal yeah
0:43:02 reciprocal that's it yeah how do we know
0:43:04 it's reciprocal because it's with that
0:43:06 alif from the beautiful yeah so far it's
0:43:09 like I can say it's like for both of
0:43:12 them are doing the same thing so this is
0:43:14 fight not kills
0:43:16 it's not kill them it's fine yeah
0:43:19 yeah so it must be fine you cannot fight
0:43:20 people that are not fighting you back so
0:43:23 it must be combatant so even in the term
0:43:25 cartilu there is an implied
0:43:29 uh imputation which is that actually
0:43:31 this is uh already reciprocal battle
0:43:34 going on yeah
0:43:36 okay well these are some of the things
0:43:38 I'm going to bring two more uh things
0:43:40 just to
0:43:41 come back for Khan
0:43:44 but we showed this one though you don't
0:43:45 say anything ridiculous because it's a
0:43:47 very controversial topic
0:43:49 um
0:43:50 what if I say well if if your Prophet
0:43:53 saws was so peaceful and so merciful
0:43:56 then what about the Jewish tribes of
0:43:58 Benoit Cordova that who he oversaw the
0:44:03 slaughter of 600 Jewish people in the
0:44:05 tribe uh and he in fact encouraged or
0:44:09 legitimized it or mandated it if this
0:44:12 was a man of Mercy then how could he do
0:44:14 such a thing
0:44:15 so first of all I would say
0:44:17 uh there was a treaty between
0:44:21 the two yeah who's two two between the
0:44:24 Muslims and the Jews okay two Jewish
0:44:27 tribes the Jewish tribes yeah to protect
0:44:28 the Muslims in case of
0:44:31 uh Outsiders yeah in this case may
0:44:34 consultation uh the Jews not only break
0:44:38 the treaty treaty but they align with
0:44:41 the mechans yeah
0:44:43 um and then when it comes to the
0:44:45 punishment
0:44:46 it was not the prophet deciding the
0:44:48 punishment it was actually uh some
0:44:51 unnatural that decided that doesn't
0:44:54 remember who it was
0:44:55 yes I might yeah so that that was
0:44:59 supposed to be the point that was the
0:45:01 Fair punishment so and who was being
0:45:04 punished only the men and the Jews so
0:45:07 those were capable of War fighting yeah
0:45:10 beautiful excellent excellent answer
0:45:11 well done that was really good
0:45:13 so these are the what I'm giving you
0:45:16 here is the interrogations you're most
0:45:17 likely to face
0:45:19 after you've answered them
0:45:21 remember the framework is the alpaca
0:45:23 framework who remembers the alpaca
0:45:24 framework
0:45:27 yeah a stands for assumption P stands
0:45:30 for Point e stands for example C stands
0:45:33 for counter counter attack or counter
0:45:35 example and an a is analysis so always
0:45:38 have that as a blueprint so any
0:45:39 Shovelhead that you're given the apeka
0:45:42 framework a-p-e-c-a you start with the
0:45:44 Assumption then the point then the
0:45:45 example then the counter example and
0:45:48 then the analysis because if you don't
0:45:49 offer a counter you're taking a punch
0:45:51 without giving one back
0:45:52 so whenever you've it's you know you
0:45:55 have to defend yourself then you have to
0:45:56 attack
0:45:58 and with that guys we will conclude uh
0:46:01 hopefully uh this is more entrenched
0:46:04 into your minds this is something we've
0:46:05 covered before but repetition on key
0:46:07 issues is actually an important part of
0:46:09 any spiral curriculum it's an important
0:46:11 part of any kind of learning and so next
0:46:14 week we're going to be talking about the
0:46:15 age of Aisha and we've got some more
0:46:17 information which we haven't covered in
0:46:19 previous sessions uh which we're going
0:46:21 to talk about the age of action the
0:46:23 marriage in the union Prophet Muhammad
0:46:25 which is one of the keys
0:46:29 um and so one which for you it's a
0:46:30 classic sugar basically it's one of the
0:46:32 classic schwart
0:46:33 so everyone here needs to be completely
0:46:35 like strong with that one and it will be
0:46:38 more like this session where we're going
0:46:40 to be doing a lot more interactive stuff
0:46:42 and hopefully you guys have enjoyed that
0:46:45 as much as I have here