Ex-Shia Muslim TV host Interview (Fascinating) || Br. Mohammed Hijab PART 1/2 (2016-11-09) #

0:00:02 guys today we've got a very special
0:00:03 guest
0:00:04 his name is alastair hassan rashid he is
0:00:07 actually a
0:00:08 researcher in shia islam for many many
0:00:11 years he has many publications he is
0:00:14 someone who has his own tv program
0:00:16 in farsi language which is one of many
0:00:19 languages he knows how to speak he's
0:00:20 multilingual
0:00:21 he knows how to speak four or five
0:00:22 different languages and he's with us
0:00:25 today
0:00:25 to discuss this all important topic
0:00:42 that i cover most things
0:01:06 to all the viewers and to you bravo yes
0:01:10 everything you said is correct except
0:01:12 you said that um
0:01:13 i publish a lot of things i'm not really
0:01:15 i haven't yet wrote
0:01:17 books maybe in the future insha allah
0:01:18 but yes um
0:01:20 it's now uh more than a decade that i'm
0:01:23 doing
0:01:24 in this field researching she sunni
0:01:27 issues
0:01:28 and my background as you stated is
0:01:30 correct yes i'm
0:01:31 i'm i was born in iran and um
0:01:35 i'm not raised most of my life in the
0:01:36 west and i've seen both
0:01:38 visited iran many times yeah and
0:01:42 you speak farsi fully i speak farsi i
0:01:44 speak uh would you mind saying something
0:01:46 for the camera
0:01:47 maybe someone could uh
0:01:51 yes i speak farsi fully i speak arabic
0:01:54 and i speak other languages as well
0:01:55 alhamdulillah
0:01:56 and um yes
0:01:59 as you correctly said it i'm doing this
0:02:01 now for over a decade now
0:02:03 um the most recent thing i've done
0:02:06 i was a host uh
0:02:09 i had my own show alhamdulillah on the
0:02:11 islamic
0:02:12 tv channel persian tv channel and um
0:02:16 maybe later on we can talk about that a
0:02:18 little bit more to explain what kind of
0:02:20 islamic means a lot of people i want to
0:02:22 ask you the first question get straight
0:02:23 into it inshallah
0:02:25 am i right in saying that probably imam
0:02:28 or the concept of imam that she has
0:02:30 believed in is the most
0:02:32 is the biggest difference between sunnis
0:02:34 and shia that's correct
0:02:36 could you explain exactly what this is
0:02:38 and for the viewers in china
0:02:40 first let me confirm what you said yes
0:02:43 imam
0:02:44 is is one of the or the two main
0:02:47 issue although some people might also
0:02:49 add that
0:02:50 issues such as the meaning of worship
0:02:53 what is worship and rituals that are
0:02:56 very different between sunnis and shias
0:02:58 are
0:02:58 maybe even bigger than imam but
0:03:00 everything really goes back to imam
0:03:02 of course because the shia sect in
0:03:04 general
0:03:05 is a sect that believes that um
0:03:09 the imam the the rulership after the
0:03:12 prophet sallallahu alaihi
0:03:13 wasallam should have been state within
0:03:15 the prophet's family this is just
0:03:17 generally speaking yeah of course when
0:03:18 me and you are mentioning
0:03:20 shia shia we should be a bit more
0:03:21 precise shira means a lot of things
0:03:24 so when we say imam to different shias
0:03:26 does it mean different things
0:03:27 yes to differentiate mean different
0:03:29 things to the zedis who ruled yemen for
0:03:31 thousand years it mean it is a political
0:03:33 thing
0:03:34 um it is not restricted to to a specific
0:03:38 group let alone to 12 individuals it's
0:03:40 different it's not twelve imams for
0:03:42 eighties
0:03:42 no it's not it's not travel monster to
0:03:44 non-group except the 12 verse
0:03:46 so the thing is in our age in time when
0:03:49 we speak when people use the word shia
0:03:51 shia
0:03:52 yes of course they mean to 12 because
0:03:54 they are they happen to be today the
0:03:56 majority they were not always the
0:03:57 majority
0:03:58 there were times for example in my own
0:03:59 country iran where
0:04:02 before the suffoli era where iran was a
0:04:04 majority sunni country
0:04:06 just 500 years ago there were shia in
0:04:08 iran yeah
0:04:09 even even when iran was the majority of
0:04:10 sonic country but there were zadis the
0:04:12 vast majority
0:04:13 so there was a time in islamic history
0:04:15 where the vast majority of shias in the
0:04:16 world
0:04:17 were zades is it true that so what what
0:04:20 do
0:04:21 shiites or let's say 12 is in particular
0:04:23 what do they believe about the imams
0:04:26 well the of twelvers have certain
0:04:27 beliefs about the imams which ha which
0:04:29 are
0:04:30 believed as in consensus they have okay
0:04:34 so i'm gonna what i'm gonna mention i'm
0:04:35 not gonna mention anything which is um
0:04:38 you know disputed yeah you know where
0:04:40 somebody could say i know but this is
0:04:42 you know this this is disputed
0:04:44 this is not mainstream i'm going to
0:04:45 mention only mainstream
0:04:47 among the mainstream is of course they
0:04:49 believe in 12 imams who
0:04:51 are infallible like prophets or
0:04:53 infallible like prophets
0:04:55 they are chosen by allah and his
0:04:57 messenger
0:04:58 yeah by clear nos means text from the
0:05:01 quran
0:05:02 as they claim and so we have
0:05:05 12 men who are apparently infallible
0:05:09 apparently clear-cut chosen in the
0:05:11 islamic text
0:05:12 and and there's some other things such
0:05:15 as
0:05:17 yeah that they have the knowledge of the
0:05:19 unseen
0:05:20 not as mainstream muslims believe of
0:05:23 course we believe that the prophet
0:05:24 salallahu or even you me and you
0:05:26 we we know we have knowledge of certain
0:05:28 things about the future what our prophet
0:05:30 told us
0:05:31 but you don't go around and say have the
0:05:33 knowledge of the unseen so
0:05:35 does that mean in totality they have all
0:05:37 the knowledge of the unseen they believe
0:05:38 they know everything i i yes they know
0:05:42 we i can go as far as to say it is
0:05:46 literally describe their knowledge as
0:05:48 allah's knowledge
0:05:49 and it's easy for anybody to check what
0:05:51 i say you want you need to so what kind
0:05:52 of references are there the references
0:05:54 you don't even need to go and look for
0:05:56 hadith life and
0:05:58 sahih you know somebody's saying yeah
0:06:00 are you are you
0:06:01 suggesting our weak hadith or whatever
0:06:03 no you just need to go and look the
0:06:05 chapters of al-qafi
0:06:07 al-kafi is the main shia book some
0:06:09 sunnis have mis
0:06:11 misconception about it they think it is
0:06:12 it is exactly like the bukhari of the
0:06:14 sunnis
0:06:15 it's not okay it's not exactly it's they
0:06:17 treat it different however it is correct
0:06:19 to say this is the most
0:06:20 important and the most authentic book of
0:06:23 hadith according to them
0:06:25 not everything there is authentic i'm
0:06:26 not saying that nobody should say this
0:06:28 yeah we should be honest with everybody
0:06:30 with any religion every ideology
0:06:33 we should say only the truth about them
0:06:35 however when you go through coffee and
0:06:37 you can do that
0:06:38 and um and just
0:06:41 about the chapters
0:06:44 the chapters for example i myself on my
0:06:47 show i'll never forget that just
0:06:48 quickly um one day on my show we had a
0:06:51 show about
0:06:52 uh the coffer beliefs
0:06:55 according to mainstream islam which can
0:06:59 be derived by just
0:07:00 reading the chapters of al qaeda of
0:07:03 course
0:07:03 a few examples well there's there's
0:07:05 chapters there's a number of chapters
0:07:07 about
0:07:07 what kind of knowledge the imams have
0:07:09 all right this is important
0:07:11 for example there are there's a chapter
0:07:13 that the imams know when they die
0:07:15 and so on the imam's knowledge is like
0:07:17 the he
0:07:18 has knowledge uh narrations are under
0:07:21 these chapters that the knowledge of the
0:07:22 imam is exactly he knows
0:07:26 every leafs every leaf that drops from a
0:07:28 tree
0:07:29 he knows every drop in the ocean now me
0:07:31 and you every muslim knows
0:07:33 who is described with this kind of emory
0:07:37 so you see these word games by saying
0:07:40 but every muslim believes kind of in the
0:07:43 prophet saws got some information from
0:07:45 the rape
0:07:46 yes but who said that the prophet
0:07:48 salallahu
0:07:50 which sect has ever said the prophet
0:07:52 sallallahu alaihi wasallam
0:07:53 knows every drop in the ocean yeah even
0:07:56 the quran
0:08:05 telling the prophet that say i'm not
0:08:07 something new of the prophets and i
0:08:08 don't know what's going to happen to me
0:08:10 yeah
0:08:12 there's other verses there's verses in
0:08:13 the quran uh
0:08:15 about the prophet not knowing the moon
0:08:18 which unfortunately according to
0:08:20 the sahaba we'll come to that in a
0:08:22 second
0:08:23 but just to complete that
0:08:34 i think all of these we can put it in
0:08:36 the description but people can do their
0:08:37 research
0:08:38 if this is the
0:08:43 describing the prophet in that way then
0:08:45 you have a religion where 12 people
0:08:47 after him know every leaf that drops
0:08:49 from a tree
0:08:50 no every drop that is in the ocean these
0:08:53 are not hadith sahih
0:08:54 so somebody can reject it okay chapters
0:08:57 are put and people of knowledge know
0:08:58 that
0:08:59 if a scholar puts chapters
0:09:02 why does he put these chapters to fill
0:09:04 in beliefs
0:09:06 right for example usual kafi al-kafi is
0:09:08 divided into three
0:09:10 usual rav turkafi and so on usual
0:09:13 is the main body of al-kafi where they
0:09:16 derive their beliefs
0:09:18 one of the belief which is exaggeration
0:09:21 with the imams we believe is the belief
0:09:22 about
0:09:23 the way they believe about the imams as
0:09:25 in regards to
0:09:27 what evidences um do shias have from the
0:09:31 quran
0:09:31 or from the sunnah that everyone is
0:09:34 basically sunnis and shias
0:09:36 agree on that this imam is
0:09:39 a correct imam uh or a true one
0:09:42 imam as in imam of twelve imams that
0:09:45 have to be obeyed after the prophet
0:09:48 well of course she is like every other
0:09:50 sect for the main belief have filled
0:09:52 books
0:09:52 claiming that it's very clear in the
0:09:54 quran very clear in the sunnah the imam
0:09:56 of ali
0:09:57 and the imam of the second imam al-hasan
0:09:59 and the imam of the third imam
0:10:00 al-hussein an imam of the fourth imam
0:10:02 uh
0:10:07 there's no doubt about that they have
0:10:09 written a lot but the thing is um
0:10:12 what we believe in regard to what they
0:10:14 use as evidence is that
0:10:16 all these evidences are shallow they are
0:10:18 not strong
0:10:19 for example you if you want really now
0:10:21 examples i can tell you
0:10:23 the famous and you have heard of it um
0:10:27 and they are also very quick in giving
0:10:28 names to these eyes making them
0:10:30 ayata
0:10:41 one of the first shocking thing is it's
0:10:43 not even a complete ayah what they
0:10:44 recite they
0:10:50 this is not even a complete verse it is
0:10:52 it is is cut in half
0:10:54 but they call it a verse and remember
0:10:58 in mosque and she a mosque that i used
0:11:00 to go
0:11:01 on the member especially they write the
0:11:03 ayah yeah and remember when they
0:11:05 often when the imam sits behind him you
0:11:06 see on the top
0:11:09 and then you ask what they say oh it's
0:11:10 the verse of purification
0:11:25 how would you translate this well first
0:11:27 and foremost
0:11:28 as people probably can hear i'm not a
0:11:30 native speaker i'm not a native speaker
0:11:32 i do speak english since childhood but
0:11:34 it's not my mother tongue so i will try
0:11:35 my utmost to translate if you say verily
0:11:37 in them like certainly allah
0:11:55 from you
0:11:59 a little bit allah wants to
0:12:03 wants to remove the risk from you a
0:12:06 little bit
0:12:06 so this brother what's this got to do
0:12:09 with the imam again
0:12:10 well they use this as one of the
0:12:13 yeah one of the if not the yeah but
0:12:16 could be among them some of them
0:12:18 there's ayahuaya but it's definitely one
0:12:20 of the most strongest evidences
0:12:22 they use against the rest of the muslims
0:12:24 to say no we are on the truth
0:12:26 okay so our belief is right where does
0:12:27 it say anywhere in that verse that
0:12:28 you've got to follow 12 imams that are
0:12:30 infallible and that know that knowledge
0:12:32 yeah well that's the thing that's the
0:12:33 thing that's where the
0:12:35 this is where orthodoxy comes
0:12:36 orthodoxycoms
0:12:38 in the last hundred and thousand years
0:12:41 has
0:12:42 nothing to do with new movements it is
0:12:45 sunni islam in general which rejects
0:12:47 imam rejects belief in twelve infallible
0:12:49 imams does not reject these 12
0:12:51 personalities by the way yeah
0:12:53 it's very important for me especially so
0:12:55 they were historical most of them are
0:12:56 historical figures
0:12:57 they were historical figures they were
0:12:59 scholars they were praised they were
0:13:01 they were praised by the biggest
0:13:02 scholars of islam imam zahabi in
0:13:04 um
0:13:11 the only thing we disagree with is
0:13:15 in the same way we disagree with the
0:13:18 person
0:13:19 with the virgin of jesus in trinity ism
0:13:23 in the
0:13:23 in the in the pollism form paulism form
0:13:26 of christianity we don't accept it
0:13:28 we don't accept it to be the true
0:13:29 religion of jesus we don't
0:13:31 accept christianity any form of
0:13:33 christianity to be a reflection of jesus
0:13:35 believe say we don't accept that
0:13:37 twelve-ism or any other ism
0:13:39 shi-ism is a form of reflection of the
0:13:42 beliefs
0:13:42 of this person what about the sunnah
0:13:44 because there's there are the hadith
0:13:45 that says that the prophet says
0:13:47 after me will be 12 khalifs for example
0:13:49 yeah
0:13:50 you know now we we go from the ayah they
0:13:52 use we talked about the
0:13:54 ayat here which we don't believe is a
0:13:56 strong evidence because it doesn't even
0:13:57 it it it it mentions first of all in
0:14:00 general
0:14:01 it talks about that allah wants to
0:14:04 purify them
0:14:05 and anybody who reads the whole verse
0:14:07 and i think here we forgot to go back
0:14:10 the first is cut it's cut by them
0:14:13 cut as in when when they normally uh so
0:14:15 it starts with
0:14:16 enough so it's talking to the prophet's
0:14:19 wives it's talking about the prophet's
0:14:20 wife
0:14:20 of course and then come you know we can
0:14:23 talk discuss hours now
0:14:24 some then say why is the does it
0:14:28 it changes to the masculine form yeah
0:14:31 this is answered by anybody who has
0:14:34 little knowledge
0:14:35 that is
0:14:39 is masculine and masculine must be
0:14:41 addressed
0:14:42 in a muscular form so that's why you say
0:14:44 assalamu alaikum
0:14:46 even if there are um four wives and one
0:14:49 husband
0:14:50 why do you say alaikum you you and arab
0:14:52 you're native arab
0:14:53 and when i ask you why do i say assalamu
0:14:55 when i see somebody for example with his
0:14:57 four wives
0:14:58 let's say we are in the time of the
0:14:59 prophet
0:15:02 i mean why do i say alaikum although
0:15:04 they are for women
0:15:06 because obviously because in arabic this
0:15:08 is god that this is these are rules in
0:15:10 arabic language
0:15:11 obvious that one male person is enough
0:15:14 in the group to make it
0:15:16 to make it masculine so this is about uh
0:15:19 the verse and there's other
0:15:20 verses they use of course then you ask
0:15:22 about the sunnah the is
0:15:24 and he how you said in english the way
0:15:27 they yeah
0:15:27 they're trying to drive evidences from
0:15:29 the church exactly the way they do this
0:15:32 just i always say as an actual person
0:15:36 yeah just like the hoj
0:15:55 okay so what about this it says twelve
0:15:57 uh leaders after the uh you know the
0:15:59 bring me you
0:16:00 you as a sunday you have some experience
0:16:01 bring me the strongest
0:16:03 evidence that you know that you know of
0:16:06 from the sunnah bring me this
0:16:07 this is the one they would say this is
0:16:09 there's 12 uh there are 12 leaders
0:16:11 the prophet said this is a sahih hadith
0:16:12 found in many different books of hadith
0:16:14 yeah as far as i know it's in in is in
0:16:16 the sahaya muslim or
0:16:18 definitely one of the book nobody
0:16:20 rejects the hadith
0:16:21 nobody hides the hadith but the thing is
0:16:24 um
0:16:24 i believe that if somebody wants the
0:16:27 truth and does proper research
0:16:30 and this is unfortunately my experience
0:16:32 even myself when i used to be shiri
0:16:34 most of the time i spent was
0:16:37 um and this is what the scholars of
0:16:39 islam said they say the people of the
0:16:41 truth the people of the sunnah
0:16:43 they um they they they they see the
0:16:46 kitab in the sunnah they see the book
0:16:48 of allah they see the waters the mass
0:16:50 narrated sunnah clear-cut the beliefs
0:16:52 are in front of them
0:16:54 and then believe in it yeah the people
0:16:56 of falsehood
0:16:58 they make up beliefs and then they look
0:17:00 for
0:17:01 the evidence superimposing their own
0:17:02 exactly then they look forward to
0:17:04 somehow construct
0:17:05 the evidence so those two those two that
0:17:08 are mentioned by the prophet
0:17:10 uh so are they the twelve infallible
0:17:13 imams that we must follow and does it
0:17:14 say that in hadith
0:17:15 you already gave the answer the prophet
0:17:16 salallahu said 12
0:17:20 yeah or in other narrations versions um
0:17:22 yeah
0:17:23 um is the plural of amir
0:17:26 so the prophet sallallahu islam is
0:17:28 speaking here about people who actually
0:17:30 rule
0:17:31 and you see this is the problem with
0:17:33 people who are attached to these number
0:17:36 games
0:17:36 yeah when people why is it 12
0:17:39 what it doesn't matter if it's 12 or 14
0:17:41 or 16 the prophet saws
0:17:42 i'm speaking about we won't do now
0:17:46 a full explanation of the hadees but the
0:17:48 prophet says the islam will be as he is
0:17:50 and he will be powerful respected and so
0:17:52 on as long as these twelve rule
0:17:55 none of them have ruled none of them
0:17:58 have ruled
0:17:59 and and that's one more thing the
0:18:01 problem is really with this word
0:18:02 with these number games you know do you
0:18:04 how many disciples had jesus had
0:18:06 12 12. and one of them became what
0:18:10 was he a good one one of them became
0:18:11 really really bad yeah really bad
0:18:13 so you see we can if we want to play
0:18:16 this these kind of games because the
0:18:17 12 is mentioned there well jesus had 12
0:18:20 disciples one of them was a
0:18:21 big-time munafer if you like so about
0:18:24 what about moses he had 12
0:18:26 tribes and anyway this belief of 12
0:18:29 yesterday i saw a from the torah that
0:18:32 this belief of 12 is
0:18:33 is taken from the torah and and and the
0:18:35 prophet sallallahu alaihi sallam
0:18:37 we have the sunnah all these praises of
0:18:41 problem is and i said really as actually
0:18:44 because i was
0:18:46 i had the same problem and due to i
0:18:49 believe this is my personal opinion due
0:18:51 to bias
0:18:52 due to growing up in that environment
0:18:54 due to
0:18:56 i believe shiaism is really much by
0:18:59 default sectarian because uh look
0:19:03 i remember when i used to be shiri the
0:19:05 dawah is uh
0:19:06 the dawah they do for example is
0:19:08 addressed to who
0:19:10 sunnis they go after mostly
0:19:13 especially innocent sunnis
0:19:17 uh gullible sunnis who don't have much
0:19:19 knowledge
0:19:20 whereas whereas the muslims the majority
0:19:22 of the muslims our da'wah is addressed
0:19:24 today
0:19:25 to everybody and especially to
0:19:26 non-muslims mainstream muslims exactly
0:19:29 so because this this mentality that she
0:19:31 has from
0:19:32 early childhood and especially when he's
0:19:34 religious from his religious family
0:19:36 they're looking looking looking for any
0:19:38 evidence where they can construct
0:19:40 their beliefs were you part of that as
0:19:41 well did you fall into that when you
0:19:42 were you were ashamed
0:19:43 i i can't believe that any shia it does
0:19:46 not fall into it i believe that the vast
0:19:47 majority of shias who are religious
0:19:49 we're talking about religious yes
0:19:50 they fall into this looking copy pasting
0:19:53 and discussing
0:19:54 looking to somehow you know to fill that
0:19:56 allow that narrative to
0:19:58 yes so it's i call it desperation can i
0:20:01 ask you
0:20:02 now in regards to the this is another
0:20:03 issue of the sahaba and the ahma bayt
0:20:06 and the relationship between the two
0:20:07 because one
0:20:09 very key tenant for shia people is that
0:20:11 they say look the prophet muhammad said
0:20:14 in the in the salah and many hadees and
0:20:17 we have it as mortal
0:20:18 we have it as at least very strong
0:20:20 authentic in our books
0:20:29 so so the prophet said that you know
0:20:31 i've left with you
0:20:33 two things
0:20:39 so the point is all of these different
0:20:41 constructions or these different uh
0:20:43 phraseologies of the prophet muhammad
0:20:45 were telling us that there's gonna have
0:20:46 something that's going to
0:20:47 you leave he's left behind two things
0:20:49 which is the kitab allah
0:20:51 and the bait meaning the prophet's
0:20:52 family yeah so
0:20:54 this for the shia is clear evidences
0:20:57 yeah
0:20:57 that you should be following bait and
0:21:00 you should not be following the sahaba
0:21:03 um i say who said that the sun is done
0:21:05 for bait
0:21:07 you know this is who said sunnis we
0:21:10 believe that abdullah bin abbas is a
0:21:12 little bit
0:21:12 and who is abdallah abbas and what do we
0:21:14 call it uh
0:21:15 in arabic how do you translate into in
0:21:19 english is you know is someone like uh
0:21:22 you can say
0:21:22 the scholar one of the scholars
0:21:26 we say he's the translator in the quran
0:21:28 yeah
0:22:11 sorry constrained there or a certain
0:22:13 number confine it yeah that's the word
0:22:15 okay first of all just to complete what
0:22:16 i wanted to say is that um
0:22:18 first of all we this is the you see this
0:22:21 is where the first misconception really
0:22:22 starts yeah
0:22:23 like that's why in arabic they always
0:22:25 say the scholars in arabic they call us
0:22:27 they call them they're called muslims
0:22:30 which means
0:22:31 the communists or they call them sahaba
0:22:35 the school of the sahaba or
0:22:39 this itself is wrong every student
0:22:41 should get offended
0:22:42 no sunnis believe they follow the
0:22:44 prophet sallam the only
0:22:46 and real masoom okay the only real
0:22:48 infallible
0:22:49 and his companions and his family yeah
0:22:52 despite whatever it's
0:22:53 happening they had one akida one
0:22:56 one creed one akida and uh
0:23:00 among them albeit and sunnis have taken
0:23:02 from abdullah bin abbas is one of the
0:23:03 main
0:23:04 he's a hashimi one of the main
0:23:06 fascinating among
0:23:08 another thing just to mention quickly a
0:23:10 very good friend of mine
0:23:12 also a researcher he and i translated an
0:23:16 article for him
0:23:17 from arabic which is a this pro
0:23:20 this is a huge task whoever the the
0:23:23 sheikh who
0:23:24 to translate who who did the research it
0:23:27 was about
0:23:27 who narrated more from the albeit sunni
0:23:31 authentic with proper chains of
0:23:32 narrations okay i found this article in
0:23:34 arabic i said i need to translate this i
0:23:36 translated it and gave it to a number of
0:23:38 websites
0:23:39 the result was that ali abi talib did
0:23:42 you know and i know that most sunnis
0:23:44 don't even know that
0:23:44 alibaba talib narrated musa hadith
0:23:48 authentic hadith in our books
0:23:51 then abu bakr and
0:23:55 omar and uthman together that's because
0:23:58 of his age isn't it
0:23:59 not just because of his age this is well
0:24:02 it's
0:24:03 but it's not just just because of that
0:24:04 it is also because um
0:24:07 abu bakr for example if you read what
0:24:09 the scholars wrote about him
0:24:11 was more known and ali as well but even
0:24:13 more so what's known as the fakie and so
0:24:15 was um
0:24:16 they were not known as muhaddis they're
0:24:18 writing too much okay
0:24:19 another thing in the muslim ahmed only
0:24:21 one khalif
0:24:22 narrates more than ali
0:24:26 abu bakr and uthman ali narrates more
0:24:29 than awakening
0:24:30 so is there any contradiction at all in
0:24:33 accepting
0:24:34 uh you know amar for example or off men
0:24:38 or whatever et cetera or these
0:24:39 what we couldn't consider companions and
0:24:43 other companions like that shares
0:24:45 obviously not don't accept
0:24:47 and also at the same time accepting the
0:24:48 base of the family of the prophet
0:24:50 no of course as as mainstream muslims
0:24:54 of course we believe there's no
0:24:55 contradiction
0:24:57 of course at the same time we do not
0:24:59 believe
0:25:00 as some people claim like the likes of
0:25:02 nakshawani who say the sunnis do not
0:25:04 discuss these things and they are not
0:25:06 prepared to debate these things
0:25:08 we just we have written our scholars
0:25:10 before
0:25:11 me and you were born and our
0:25:12 grandparents were born have written
0:25:13 about these things
0:25:15 have written about fitter and that
0:25:16 happened after the prophet sallallahu
0:25:18 alaihi
0:25:18 wasallam problems that was between one
0:25:20 sahabi and another sahabi one sahabi and
0:25:22 the sabbath
0:25:23 nobody denies these things but what we
0:25:25 believe firmly is that the sahaba and
0:25:28 the sahaba would we say sahabah includes
0:25:35 all these great personalities they had
0:25:37 one creed one belief one belief system
0:25:40 and they were especially the albeit
0:25:45 did not share any of the beliefs of the
0:25:47 twelvers okay any
0:25:49 this is what we firmly believe then of
0:25:51 course this opens then
0:25:53 a number of other doors for discussions
0:25:55 and for debates
0:25:57 and to discuss this further but this is
0:25:58 our firm belief we do not
0:26:00 i remember when i used to be she they
0:26:02 used to say yes sunnis do believe
0:26:04 love albeit but that's not enough
0:26:07 this is how i used to make dawah to
0:26:09 innocent sunnis to ignorance among them
0:26:11 said to them innocent sunni for example
0:26:13 came to me and say i do love
0:26:15 it what do you want from me i love i
0:26:17 love ali i love hassan i love her
0:26:19 yeah but you love the enemies of albert
0:26:20 as well you see
0:26:22 that's the catchy thing that's what they
0:26:23 call who are the enemies of alibaba you
0:26:25 think abu lahab
0:26:27 and then it believes of course it's the
0:26:29 closest friends of the prophet
0:26:30 sallallahu islam
0:26:32 it's his wives and so on so forth now
0:26:34 that needs to be dismantled let's be
0:26:35 disproves
0:26:36 it can and it has been topic really it's
0:26:38 a whole different topic we have
0:26:40 we have friends and references which
0:26:41 we're going to put in the description
0:26:42 box
0:26:43 friends of mine colleagues of mine we
0:26:45 have we we run websites
0:26:47 literally every sub hub every
0:26:49 transaction
0:26:50 doubts that they may raise or have
0:26:52 raised and do raise constantly
0:26:57 they're not unknown to us there's
0:26:59 answers to this you know especially with
0:27:01 iranians who say or claim their actions
0:27:05 i often heard this in my life they say
0:27:06 oh yo you know these iranians most of
0:27:08 them in the west they were never really
0:27:09 shared in the real
0:27:11 in the first place you were not real
0:27:13 shia
0:27:14 i say nobody should say these things i
0:27:16 don't even like when muslims hear
0:27:18 somebody leaving islam saying he never
0:27:19 been a real muslim
0:27:21 in the first place why are you saying
0:27:22 such a thing is it impossible to become
0:27:23 a mortal
0:27:24 is it impossible to become an apostate
0:27:27 it's not
0:27:28 muslims become jew you become muslim i
0:27:30 don't know muslim becomes the atheist
0:27:31 shia becomes
0:27:32 there's even a video maybe somehow we
0:27:34 included in this clip
0:27:36 famous video of hasan asalallah in
0:27:37 arabic unfortunately nobody has
0:27:38 translated it
0:27:39 where he says many people have become
0:27:41 sunni he says it
0:27:42 in imagine thousands of followers in
0:27:46 front of him
0:27:46 and millions of viewers he has he says
0:27:49 many people have become
0:27:50 sunni from shias from auschwitz and then
0:27:53 he says and many sunni shias
0:27:55 uh sorry sunnis let everybody
0:27:58 actually i really you have to give
0:28:00 credit where credit is due i liked it i
0:28:02 said okay look this man at least yeah
0:28:04 i'm not pro him and he's definitely not
0:28:07 a favorite but
0:28:08 this is the stance people generally
0:28:11 should have
0:28:11 yeah so i want to pause for a break now
0:28:15 because you mentioned nakshwani who's
0:28:17 who's a
0:28:18 famous uh really i would describe him as
0:28:21 a shiite
0:28:23 apologist or a sunni a shiite apologist
0:28:26 to sunism
0:28:27 but he does other lectures as well and
0:28:29 he's recently come out with a very
0:28:31 provocative lecture and this is a
0:28:35 a clip hopefully that you guys could
0:28:37 benefit from
0:28:43 someone says but how do i know you're
0:28:44 not concealing your faith 24 7. me
0:28:47 you know i'm going to conceal my faith
0:28:48 you want to debate me
0:28:50 come and debate me
0:28:55 he wants to debate he wants to talk he
0:28:57 wants to be out he wants to discuss his
0:28:59 views
0:29:00 and he wants to discuss them openly and
0:29:02 this is exactly
0:29:03 what we want we invite you to come and
0:29:04 talk to us and see whether we have the
0:29:06 huck or not
0:29:17 what do you think of that what do you
0:29:18 think of this of this
0:29:20 clip well for the benefit of the viewers
0:29:22 we should quickly summarize what is it
0:29:24 about
0:29:25 so us
0:29:28 is challenging accepting no not he is
0:29:30 challenging nakshawani
0:29:32 yakshiwani um said in the clip i'm ready
0:29:34 um
0:29:35 don't do tapia debate me so we have here
0:29:38 a historian
0:29:39 we have here a known person who is a
0:29:42 sunni
0:29:42 muslim who says i'm ready to discuss
0:29:44 these things and
0:29:46 what is important for the view obviously
0:29:47 is that narshawani in this year's
0:29:50 one of his lectures uh
0:29:53 very provocative lecture he said that
0:29:56 the root of terrorism
0:29:57 the past they used to say is wahhabis
0:29:59 and i don't know whatever sect
0:30:01 no he literally said the sahaba
0:30:03 mentioned names
0:30:07 or whatever term he used for him
0:30:08 criminals and so on and so forth
0:30:11 so um and i watched the whole you know
0:30:14 you asked me regarding
0:30:16 this i watched this whole lecture and
0:30:18 what many people don't know is
0:30:19 this is not a new or you say in english
0:30:22 rhetoric it's
0:30:24 not new uh yes in the past
0:30:28 like few years ago he wasn't like this
0:30:30 but last year he had a similar lecture
0:30:32 and interesting for me was when i
0:30:35 watched the whole lecture is that he
0:30:37 said
0:30:37 you know they can discuss everything
0:30:38 these sunnis they can discuss salah
0:30:41 they can discuss
0:30:44 conquest conquest where they take pride
0:30:46 in and so and so forth
0:30:48 but not the fit and the trials after the
0:30:51 prophet sallam the wars that happened
0:30:52 between sahaba no
0:30:53 don't talk about this don't talk about
0:30:55 it he claims that this is the sunni
0:30:57 attitude
0:30:59 so that we or let's say we our scholars
0:31:02 or
0:31:02 preachers or researchers to hide this
0:31:04 from the aram from the
0:31:06 from the communists which is nonsense
0:31:08 yeah that's i think it's unfortunate
0:31:10 that
0:31:10 he's the one who's kind of made the
0:31:12 challenge now he's made a sort of career
0:31:14 out of
0:31:14 uh being an apologist to sunnism
0:31:18 and he's never actually had one
0:31:20 discussion with the sunni
0:31:22 this reminds me of
0:31:25 of a dear friend who helped me and the
0:31:28 early stages when i left jesus
0:31:30 he said to me take from his his
0:31:33 all these references and what they use
0:31:36 today and copy paste
0:31:38 and somebody says well you need these
0:31:39 are the evidences
0:31:41 we're talking about what shias normally
0:31:43 do maybe you have experience with it
0:31:44 they bring you some random statement
0:31:46 random hadith and then they put you know
0:31:48 and
0:31:48 a whole train of sunni references and
0:31:51 then you see kansas
0:31:52 and you know usually
0:31:55 weak sources sources late sources for
0:31:58 example one of the
0:31:59 sources they're often used as kansa
0:32:01 amalev thousand years of the hijra
0:32:03 written
0:32:04 and if they use sources authentic
0:32:06 sources then they are
0:32:07 taken out of context that their their
0:32:10 interpretation is forced on it
0:32:12 so his advice or statement was he said
0:32:15 to me take from them
0:32:16 these things what they normally copy and
0:32:18 paste and sit with them
0:32:20 and discuss so that's why i uh
0:32:23 i really appreciate that the stuff that
0:32:29 has challenged nakshawani and the
0:32:31 challenge on its own
0:32:33 it's really a refutation because
0:32:34 nakshawani said to his followers
0:32:37 thousands and more of shays that these
0:32:39 sunnis they don't discuss they keep this
0:32:41 you know these things about sahaba and
0:32:43 what happened to fitan
0:32:44 they don't discuss these things and then
0:32:46 suddenly we see somebody
0:32:48 suddenly confident historian saying
0:32:51 let's discuss this and there are others
0:32:53 of course and if this inshallah
0:32:55 if it goes uh the discussion actually
0:32:58 happens insha'allah then people can
0:33:01 judge that's right i'm always
0:33:03 i'm always for discussion and especially
0:33:06 of course
0:33:07 you give a preference to people who are
0:33:09 people of knowledge people
0:33:10 uh like sheikha atnan and and others
0:33:15 and but let's see if the likes of
0:33:17 nakshawani
0:33:18 yeah because he does represent we're not
0:33:20 going to debate and discuss with
0:33:21 everybody it's also important
0:33:22 this is an advice i've been given in a
0:33:24 very early stage one of jesus you know
0:33:26 not going to sit with everybody discuss
0:33:28 with everybody and
0:33:29 same with you you're not going to meet
0:33:30 with everybody somebody who's for
0:33:32 example
0:33:32 not representing christians at all well
0:33:36 you discuss with the main people
0:33:38 you know catholics and orthodox and so
0:33:40 on so forth
0:33:41 so same with us i believe we should be
0:33:43 careful who we so hopefully this will be
0:33:45 something that he
0:33:46 accepts because i mean uh it would be
0:33:50 basically meeting his requirement he
0:33:51 said he wanted someone to discuss he
0:33:53 wanted to challenge someone
0:33:54 but it would be a discussion format and
0:33:56 hopefully uh you know be the first time
0:33:58 he's ever
0:33:59 put his actual ideas and his references
0:34:01 on the table to be scrutinized because
0:34:03 it's very easy
0:34:04 for someone to make comments in a mosque
0:34:07 where everyone is
0:34:08 is basically blind to the references
0:34:10 blind to the scholarly discussions
0:34:12 but it's a bit more difficult to
0:34:14 actually con to confront someone or to
0:34:16 speak to someone
0:34:17 who believes in something which is
0:34:18 opposite to you uh
0:34:20 and we hope that nakshwani will accept
0:34:23 this challenge because uh
0:34:24 because this will be the first time he's
0:34:25 actually put his rhetoric to
0:34:27 the test there was then one person
0:34:31 who was standing on a lorry and said and
0:34:34 may imam hussain also reward all of you
0:34:37 i was like i was i was looking i was
0:34:40 just i was like
0:34:41 frozen