MUSLIM RESPONDS TO LOGAN PAUL ON ISLAM (2020-07-12) #

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0:00:19 so I was watching this really
0:00:21 interesting podcast from Logan pool and
0:00:22 what he was talking about in that
0:00:24 podcast was some of his conceptions
0:00:26 about religion and I found it intriguing
0:00:27 so I wanted to respond to it the first
0:00:30 thing he says which I found really
0:00:31 intriguing is how he defines what he
0:00:34 believes in so he says III I think
0:00:36 there's some sort of unimaginable thing
0:00:42 that made us in this universe and
0:00:44 everything around us and that for me is
0:00:46 a great definition of God so that takes
0:00:48 him firmly out of atheism and
0:00:50 agnosticism and into at least deism or
0:00:52 theism which is the idea of believing in
0:00:55 God which is actually the position of at
0:00:57 least ninety percent of the American
0:00:59 population according to Pew Research now
0:01:02 the questions that he had which was
0:01:03 confused about was questions relating to
0:01:06 the problem of evil the fact that in his
0:01:09 words religion faith whatever you want
0:01:12 to call it has has led to the deaths of
0:01:15 too many people has led to the the
0:01:17 trauma of too many children and I agree
0:01:19 with a locum poll on that point religion
0:01:22 has actually led to all of those things
0:01:23 but just because religion has led to
0:01:26 those things or the practitioners of
0:01:29 particular religions have done those
0:01:31 things it doesn't mean that said
0:01:32 religions preach those things
0:01:34 so listen differentiation here we have
0:01:36 to differentiate between what religious
0:01:38 people do in the name of religion and
0:01:40 what religions actually say and if you
0:01:43 want to know what religions actually say
0:01:44 you have to read and see as for us as
0:01:47 Muslims it's very clear though we have
0:01:49 bad press and there's lots of things
0:01:51 being said about us the Quran makes it
0:01:53 very clear that what was someone who
0:01:55 kills one person is like killing all of
0:01:56 humanity and the Prophet Muhammad told
0:01:59 us that when I tell my hidden Lemire
0:02:02 ahead yeah tell Jenna whoever kills a
0:02:04 noncombatant non-believer will not smell
0:02:07 the fragrance of heaven including women
0:02:10 and children which in another hadith he
0:02:11 says so despite the
0:02:13 that many religious practitioners act in
0:02:15 monstrous ways it doesn't necessitate
0:02:17 that those religions themselves preach
0:02:20 monstrous things and I think that's an
0:02:22 important crucial differentiation yeah I
0:02:24 I'm not sure I can fully wrap my head
0:02:27 around so many people telling me
0:02:30 different things about their God another
0:02:32 thing he said is that there's so many
0:02:34 different gods and how do we know which
0:02:36 one is the right one well the one you
0:02:37 defined is the right one
0:02:39 you see this is very important you know
0:02:40 you have already Intuit it yeah through
0:02:44 intuition yeah inherently as you put it
0:02:47 in another place in your podcast you
0:02:49 have you have an inherent idea of what
0:02:51 God is the higher power which is
0:02:53 unimaginable that created us in the
0:02:54 universe you put it perfectly I couldn't
0:02:57 have said it any better way that creates
0:02:59 a God that we believe in now this is
0:03:01 backed by evidence there's many people
0:03:03 there was a there was a 2011 study that
0:03:06 was that shows that children that are
0:03:09 born with this belief in a higher power
0:03:11 now when they're this is in 2011 by
0:03:14 Justin Berra in the Oxford or
0:03:15 anthropological society that people are
0:03:18 born with this belief you have that
0:03:19 belief you've expressed that belief the
0:03:21 question is do we believe yeah that the
0:03:24 higher power is a man is it conceivable
0:03:27 that without socialization that we
0:03:29 believe that Jesus is God for the sake
0:03:31 of anger that's the Christian narrative
0:03:33 that Jesus is God could you imagine a
0:03:36 child being born believing there's a
0:03:38 person called Jesus Christ and not only
0:03:40 that there's a person called Jesus
0:03:41 Christ that he's God but not only that
0:03:43 he's God by he's part of a Trinity that
0:03:45 the father is God the Son is God and the
0:03:46 Holy Spirit is God and all three are God
0:03:48 all three persons are one person and all
0:03:52 three persons are one and that that is
0:03:55 God is that something you think without
0:03:56 socialization that people would be would
0:03:59 come about with I don't think so the
0:04:02 idea is what you said the definition of
0:04:04 God is the unimaginable to put it in
0:04:08 your thing that created us in the
0:04:09 universe which is not a man because it
0:04:11 can't be a man because a man is created
0:04:13 it can't be a woman
0:04:15 it can't be a child it can't be a it
0:04:18 can't be something which dies because
0:04:20 God can't die God can't rests you see
0:04:22 the idea the question of different gods
0:04:25 which God to choose from is the God
0:04:26 you already know is exists the the one
0:04:29 that you have mentioned the one who's
0:04:31 unimaginable thing that created us in
0:04:33 the universe that's the right one now
0:04:35 the first thing to do
0:04:36 because you've said that there's so many
0:04:37 different notions of God how do you know
0:04:40 which is the right one anything which
0:04:41 doesn't fit that paradigm which is your
0:04:43 paradigm yeah
0:04:45 cannot be good yeah you dis your
0:04:47 definition anything that doesn't fit
0:04:48 this cannot be good so a man can't be
0:04:50 good because we can imagine a man a
0:04:52 woman can't be good because we can
0:04:54 imagine a woman a an animal can't be
0:04:57 good the universe which are the people
0:05:00 who believe good stuff they talk to the
0:05:01 universe I do which we're gonna come to
0:05:03 can't be good because we can imagine the
0:05:06 universe and the universe was itself a
0:05:09 created thing we're gonna come to this I
0:05:11 think I think the universally accepted
0:05:14 definition of good is like you know
0:05:16 right and wrong you know and something's
0:05:19 right morality general morality we wrap
0:05:21 so you say which is really interesting
0:05:23 because you have a moral position this
0:05:25 is very fine moral position you say you
0:05:28 know what's right and wrong and you can
0:05:31 know what's right and wrong but once
0:05:33 again how do you know you're gonna say
0:05:34 it's kind of it like intuited in the
0:05:36 same way that you know there's an
0:05:37 unimaginable power but then once again
0:05:39 that's I want you to know that that's
0:05:41 against materialist nihilist and
0:05:43 atheistic discourse like for an atheist
0:05:46 there's no way of proving what's right
0:05:47 and wrong you have to understand this
0:05:48 point for someone who does not believe
0:05:50 in a higher power that in Dowell's human
0:05:52 beings with morality the question would
0:05:54 be how would they go about finding out
0:05:56 what's right and wrong yeah it would be
0:05:58 what society comes together and decides
0:06:00 which one Society can decide one thing
0:06:02 and other Society will decide another
0:06:04 thing and historically we've seen
0:06:06 differences in the way people think of
0:06:08 right and wrong so how do we know right
0:06:11 and wrong exist in the first place so
0:06:13 we'd have to say that the thing that
0:06:15 endowed us with this belief in right and
0:06:18 wrong is that higher power the
0:06:19 unimaginable creator that created us in
0:06:22 the universe
0:06:22 okay so there's right and wrong which is
0:06:25 morality but then there's also this
0:06:27 higher power so that the right and wrong
0:06:29 comes from the higher power that would
0:06:31 be something which follows right so I
0:06:34 want you to think about that having sex
0:06:36 before marriage isn't in my opinion
0:06:38 wrong but
0:06:40 according to religion it is you said
0:06:42 having sex before marriage in your
0:06:43 opinion is not wrong but the problem
0:06:45 with this postulation here rather Logan
0:06:48 the problem with this postulation is the
0:06:51 fact that how do you know this is my
0:06:53 question how do you know that that was
0:06:54 an associate belief system you have
0:06:57 because in philosophy they or even in
0:06:59 psychology they have nature versus
0:07:01 nurture right you either born believing
0:07:03 in something like you say you believe in
0:07:04 a higher power intuitively yeah or even
0:07:08 morality isn't rooted for you or your
0:07:12 socialized into that belief system so
0:07:14 how do you know that your believe that
0:07:16 marriage or having sex before marriage
0:07:18 is not something which is in fact
0:07:20 socialized as a product as a social
0:07:23 construct of the 21st century in the
0:07:24 Western world it becomes very difficult
0:07:26 to discern what comes from society and
0:07:30 what comes from the self which is why
0:07:33 there's a need for a higher prescriptive
0:07:36 Authority which we call God to give us
0:07:40 the exact guidelines on how to live life
0:07:42 you see and that higher prescriptive
0:07:46 Authority which is called God the higher
0:07:48 the unimaginable thing that created us
0:07:51 in the universe to use your term must
0:07:54 send that those prescriptions through
0:07:57 means which we can access you see so our
0:08:01 narrative Logan as Muslims is that we
0:08:04 are born believing in God just like you
0:08:06 do this is called the fitrah the fitra
0:08:09 is an innate predisposition to believing
0:08:12 one God the Creator God the powerful God
0:08:15 the one that's all-powerful that the one
0:08:17 that's not a man is not a woman it's not
0:08:19 Jesus is not God doesn't die on the
0:08:21 cross it doesn't rest on the seventh day
0:08:23 God isn't not all of those things for
0:08:25 the Muslim God is the unimaginable
0:08:28 creator that created us and the universe
0:08:31 the unimaginable thing that created us
0:08:34 and the universe your definition of God
0:08:36 is the Muslim definition of God the
0:08:38 Christian definition of God is that God
0:08:39 is the Father the Son and the Holy
0:08:42 Spirit and all three are God this is not
0:08:45 the Muslim definition that's how you do
0:08:47 demarcate between religions here so God
0:08:52 who is this Oh powerful
0:08:54 agency has endowed us with an ability to
0:08:58 know what's right and wrong yes but also
0:09:01 their guidance yeah which is in the case
0:09:06 of the old prophets Abraham Moses Jesus
0:09:08 was there books too that they were sent
0:09:11 to their people and we believe that
0:09:12 prophet muhammad was the final messenger
0:09:14 which was sent to all human human beings
0:09:17 okay so bear in mind that's the
0:09:18 narrative of Islam this or I get confuse
0:09:20 like like who's right and who's wrong
0:09:22 are Muslims wrong because they're Muslim
0:09:24 our Christians are wrong because they're
0:09:26 Christian 8/4 you asked a very good and
0:09:29 inquisitive and powerful question how do
0:09:32 we know what's right and wrong my answer
0:09:35 to you is this listen Logan listen to me
0:09:37 Logan yeah my answer to is this you know
0:09:41 what's right and wrong by using all the
0:09:43 tools at your disposal now what are your
0:09:46 tools that you know what's right and
0:09:48 wrong with number one intuition it's a
0:09:51 very powerful thing how do you know you
0:09:52 exist I think therefore I am
0:09:55 yeah but you can even go further you
0:09:58 know you are because you know you are
0:10:00 self-evident right so the same intuition
0:10:04 that you used to gauge that there was a
0:10:06 higher authority yeah is the same
0:10:09 intuition you can use to determine what
0:10:11 the higher authority isn't like
0:10:13 imaginable it's not a man you know it
0:10:16 already
0:10:16 okay so intuition is one of those tools
0:10:19 another tool is logic or rationality so
0:10:23 God can can God be if God is
0:10:26 all-powerful and is the the all creator
0:10:28 and being can God be in time in the
0:10:34 sense that he was created no God cannot
0:10:37 be created because that would mean that
0:10:40 he has a beginning can gonna have a
0:10:41 beginning no you see can God and I as
0:10:46 the Christians say that God died on the
0:10:48 cross we would say that goes against
0:10:49 rationality in logic can God have a mum
0:10:52 okay how could God have a mum you see
0:10:56 when God is meant to be the the the
0:10:58 unimaginable creator of all things me
0:11:00 and you right according to your
0:11:02 definition so we know we can use
0:11:04 intuition we can use rationality and
0:11:07 logic
0:11:07 to demonstrate what God is and what God
0:11:10 is not yeah so that's that's to answer
0:11:13 your second question and what I'm gonna
0:11:15 do is I'm gonna attach something on the
0:11:17 comment section in the description box
0:11:18 of this video which will give you a
0:11:20 secondary question which is how do we
0:11:23 know that the Prophet Muhammad who we
0:11:24 say as Muslims is in fact a true prophet
0:11:27 so we will say use the same tools use
0:11:29 your logic and rationale a I've written
0:11:32 a very small piece maybe will take you
0:11:35 ten minutes to read maybe even less yeah
0:11:37 on the evidence is that Prophet Muhammad
0:11:41 who's the final prophet we believe is
0:11:42 for all human beings has come with so
0:11:45 please read that in your spare time it
0:11:46 will increase your cultural capital yeah
0:11:49 it will increase your intelligence and
0:11:50 it'll make you a more cultured person
0:11:53 that can discern between different
0:11:54 theologies and religion so if you have
0:11:57 time please take your time to read that
0:11:59 and that after obviously you can read
0:12:00 the Quran as well which is the holy book
0:12:02 of the Muslims you see at 9 minute on 5
0:12:06 seconds you say something really
0:12:07 powerful you're saying you're talking to
0:12:09 the you talk to the universe but I would
0:12:13 say to you look talking to the universe
0:12:15 what you're really saying because you
0:12:16 said in another place that you wish
0:12:17 certain things to the universe which
0:12:20 basically what you're describing is
0:12:21 something called supplication which is
0:12:23 really a kind of prayer right when
0:12:25 you're praying to the universe and you
0:12:27 think that the universe is going to give
0:12:28 you something but the problem is that
0:12:30 the universe doesn't have any agency ok
0:12:33 the universe does is not have agency
0:12:35 it's an inanimate thing so you have to
0:12:38 think about and this is what the Quran
0:12:40 says you know Abraham who we believe is
0:12:42 a prophet who came to his people he said
0:12:46 to he said to his people he said that
0:12:51 they were worshipping certain you know
0:12:53 idols and stuff he said hell yes Malcolm
0:12:56 yeah
0:12:57 if tear down can they hear you if you're
0:13:00 calling to them listen to the question
0:13:02 of Abraham in the Quran can they hear
0:13:05 you if you call to them oh we I'm found
0:13:08 I come oh my I come a yard all wrong Oh
0:13:11 can they benefit you or harm you right
0:13:15 so can the universe benefit you or can
0:13:18 it harm you as you have you got
0:13:20 experience of that have you go ever
0:13:21 of that has come to universe here you
0:13:24 right and what's the evidence of that
0:13:26 it's an inanimate object or entity so in
0:13:30 that case the universe itself is not the
0:13:33 thing or the the agency which you should
0:13:37 direct your supplication we would say it
0:13:39 makes more sense wouldn't it you would
0:13:41 probably agree with me hopefully that
0:13:43 you should be directing your veneration
0:13:46 and your supplication to the creator of
0:13:49 the universe yeah that's what we should
0:13:53 that's the the prophetic way of Abraham
0:13:55 Moses Jesus and all of the prophets that
0:13:57 came including the final prophet prophet
0:13:59 Muhammad and with that logan paul i
0:14:01 invite you to islam yeah you seem like a
0:14:04 very sincere person you know i invited
0:14:06 to slam and write you to the religion of
0:14:09 islam read the quran read my my my
0:14:11 little clearly my little PDF that I've
0:14:14 got for you there you can take ten
0:14:16 minutes of your time
0:14:17 and then you can go back to chaos I as a
0:14:20 Muslim and then when you fight him for
0:14:22 the third time now I don't know what it
0:14:24 will be then you can even have some
0:14:26 success in that hopefully and sell my
0:14:29 way from wall to wall he water
0:14:40 you