Sam Harris Challenges Muslims on Radicalism and Slavery (2018-02-16) ​

0:00:02 so that he would you me I don't even
0:00:11 have to go to them alright let's go to
0:00:13 the next one no you can slavery this is
0:00:17 the horror of Abrahamic religion
0:00:21 generally these are this is why we know
0:00:23 these are in books were not authored by
0:00:25 a moral genius the Bible in the Quran
0:00:28 can't give you a basis to resist slavery
0:00:32 take it away so this is this is really
0:00:36 interesting because Sam Harris is
0:00:37 actually written a book called the moral
0:00:39 landscape and in that book called the
0:00:42 moral landscape he writes in a footnote
0:00:44 and one of the ending chapters I forget
0:00:46 which type sure exactly but he writes
0:00:48 and this is a kind of paraphrase of what
0:00:51 he says he says that there is no
0:00:52 neurobiological way of ascertaining
0:00:55 truth and falsehood in other words
0:00:58 objective morality according to sam
0:01:00 harris cannot be ascertained on the
0:01:02 atheistic materialistic worldview this
0:01:05 is not just some Harris's opinion this
0:01:07 is the opinion of Richard Dawkins of
0:01:08 jacquees Derrida of Bertrand Russell of
0:01:11 Nietzsche of most post modernist atheist
0:01:15 philosophers that actually objects of
0:01:17 morality cannot be ascertained what's
0:01:20 really interesting is that on the one
0:01:21 hand where they make this patently clear
0:01:22 but there was no philosophical
0:01:24 epistemological base for basically
0:01:27 believing an objective morality
0:01:30 they'll make arguments which are moral
0:01:33 against religion and this is one of the
0:01:36 arguments that they made so he makes he
0:01:38 says that the slavery and whatnot let's
0:01:40 take for granted let's let's say for the
0:01:42 sake of argument that he's right about
0:01:43 this about slavery generally speaking
0:01:45 even if he was completely right that
0:01:48 would do absolutely nothing for the case
0:01:49 of atheism and absolutely nothing for
0:01:51 disproving Islam however he is wrong on
0:01:53 that because of one very simple verse in
0:01:57 the Quran which most of the children our
0:02:00 children have memorized in so little
0:02:02 ballads in chapter 90 of the Quran where
0:02:04 simply says were mad at the rock amela
0:02:06 ABBA FATCA Aqaba what do you know of the
0:02:10 good way what would make you know what
0:02:12 the good way is for
0:02:13 being slaves is the good way his exact
0:02:15 terminology was that there is nothing
0:02:17 within or inside or outside of the
0:02:20 scriptures which allows for the
0:02:22 resisting of slavery the Quran says very
0:02:24 clearly that actually were mad at the
0:02:27 raka malapa
0:02:28 what would make you know what the good
0:02:30 way is freeing slaves is the good way
0:02:32 what he is saying because he is I
0:02:34 believe theologically illiterate I don't
0:02:38 think he's actually someone who reads
0:02:39 books theological books Quran Sunnah
0:02:42 hadith and these things I don't think he
0:02:44 actually even looks at the Bible too
0:02:45 deeply I think he makes sociological
0:02:48 cases and generalizes them on the
0:02:50 religion and that's very very much the
0:02:53 nature of what he does he never close to
0:02:54 Quran
0:02:55 you'll never really see this guy quote
0:02:56 in the Quran sam harris sam harris
0:02:58 doesn't really quote though I've never
0:02:59 seen him I've never once seen him
0:03:00 quoting the Quran because he knows muddy
0:03:02 water for him he's not trained on this
0:03:05 he shouldn't talk about this is he is
0:03:07 what they call an ultra crapper darien
0:03:09 his non-specialists talking about
0:03:11 something which does not concern him
0:03:13 he's completely talking about something
0:03:14 which is out of his Lane when he does
0:03:16 the same thing with philosophies the
0:03:17 same thing he's a non specialist in
0:03:19 philosophy not specialists in theology
0:03:20 when he talks about both those matters
0:03:22 as if he is an authority on those two
0:03:23 matters so here he said that the the
0:03:27 Quran and I'm also quite the Bible now
0:03:29 but we're talking about the Quran
0:03:30 specifically has there's nothing in it
0:03:32 that would allow us to resist slavery so
0:03:33 he would not be able to basically just
0:03:35 he would not be able to explain away
0:03:38 that verse which is a non abrogated
0:03:40 verse of the Quran moreover I guess what
0:03:43 he's trying to say is because the office
0:03:44 of the Quran which talked about what
0:03:45 your right hand possesses and and these
0:03:48 things in the hadith the various a
0:03:51 hadith Nasir how it shows us that there
0:03:52 were slaves at the time of the Prophet
0:03:53 and we're not denying that that's the
0:03:54 case absolutely there was slaves at the
0:03:56 time of the Prophet we are saying that
0:03:58 the object of office led the whole world
0:04:00 I mean the whole world at that time
0:04:01 absolutely well slavery ended in
0:04:03 American 1865 in in Britain in 1807 and
0:04:09 you can that's legally once again if we
0:04:12 take a step back and say what is slavery
0:04:13 does it the international I think is
0:04:16 called the International anti-slavery
0:04:17 organisations they they actually said
0:04:20 that slavery is defined as includes
0:04:23 child labor human trafficking and
0:04:25 prostitution let's
0:04:27 these things if we consider these
0:04:29 factors and we're very serious about
0:04:30 those definitions and I would say I
0:04:32 would claim that the West is actually
0:04:34 more involved and engaged with slavery
0:04:37 than any other part of the world and I
0:04:40 think that now if you really care if you
0:04:43 really want to make a difference since
0:04:45 we live here that's something that's not
0:04:47 talked about that's like our little
0:04:49 secret America's secret that there are
0:04:51 child sex slave rings in our country
0:04:54 right now up to three hundred thousand
0:05:02 boys and girls are sold in the United
0:05:04 States every year and many of them don't
0:05:07 make it out of the industry alive there
0:05:10 are only 99 known survivors from the
0:05:13 state of Texas in the last 20 years
0:05:14 who've managed to escape sexual slavery
0:05:17 when we think of the most horrific of
0:05:19 crimes the ones so morally repugnant and
0:05:22 Barbara you know the widespread ones
0:05:24 that make you question humanity it can
0:05:27 help us cope to believe they happen
0:05:28 somewhere else
0:05:29 somewhere far away that's why this
0:05:31 weekend's FBI prostitution sting and
0:05:34 capture of over a hundred and fifty
0:05:35 pimps was so disturbing over a hundred
0:05:38 children rescued sexual slavery here at
0:05:42 home how does it still happen right so
0:05:44 now you want to go ahead and do some
0:05:46 social good yeah Joe Rogan's just step
0:05:48 up Sam Harris to step up while you men
0:05:50 trafficking and talk about human
0:05:51 trafficking that's happening right here
0:05:53 in our backyard yeah but no you got to
0:05:55 go talk about you know is that the other
0:05:57 I point the finger that way
0:05:59 so we don't have to really talk about
0:06:00 what's going on at home it's really
0:06:01 interesting cuz Polaris said that
0:06:03 Polaris is what I think is cool pilars
0:06:04 one of the organizations they said that
0:06:06 America's engaged in slavery the
0:06:08 majority of people that they enslave in
0:06:10 human trafficking human trafficking
0:06:11 forms is that are actually people of
0:06:13 ethnic minority descent so black people
0:06:16 etc those people are human engaged in
0:06:20 the process of human trafficking who are
0:06:21 who are trafficked are actually people
0:06:23 of ethnic minorities so they're actually
0:06:25 oppressing minorities enslaving people
0:06:28 going back to what we used to be doing
0:06:30 the 1865 days and talking to us about
0:06:33 slavery
0:06:34 it's lama's I would put this very
0:06:35 candidly only on the record one of the
0:06:38 objectives of Islam
0:06:40 is to do away with the institution of
0:06:43 slavery the the mechanism by which and
0:06:46 through which it attempted to do this
0:06:48 which is what I was saying before was an
0:06:51 incremental gradualist method
0:06:53 it wasn't an instant abolition and we
0:06:55 know from history that frankly when
0:06:57 abolitions are attempted just like in
0:06:59 this country when the abolition was at M
0:07:00 state of alcohol people rebelled against
0:07:02 it very quickly if something as deep and
0:07:05 as economically important as the
0:07:07 institution of slavery is interwoven
0:07:09 into the economic fiber of a society
0:07:12 it's not possible if we to pull the rug
0:07:14 under someone's foot so in other words
0:07:16 what Islam came with was an incremental
0:07:18 method using different things and of
0:07:21 them as they can't because in sort of
0:07:23 the touhou chapter of the Quran one of
0:07:25 the there are nine things or eight or
0:07:27 nine things that are mentioned in the in
0:07:29 the verse which talks about zakat and
0:07:31 one of them was well fed a club the
0:07:33 people who is who are enslaved so in
0:07:35 other words since the cat is one of the
0:07:37 five pillars of Islam and since the five
0:07:40 pillar this particular pillar must be
0:07:42 continued until the day of judgment we
0:07:44 believe then the e there must have been
0:07:46 a certain amount of money always
0:07:49 designated for the freeing of slaves but
0:07:52 of course sam harris doesn't know this
0:07:54 another thing which is really
0:07:56 interesting is chapter 24 verse 33 of
0:07:58 the quran which explicitly says that if
0:08:02 at that particular time which is
0:08:04 obviously not not applicable to us and
0:08:06 that particular historical time period
0:08:09 something called maquette Eber can be
0:08:10 done no kotoba is where you literally
0:08:12 have someone who's enslaved and then
0:08:14 they say to their slave owner they say
0:08:17 to their slave owner I want to be free
0:08:18 and I'll ransom myself okay that person
0:08:22 is not a criminal that person is not
0:08:25 someone who's done anything according to
0:08:27 chapter 24 verse 33 and you can look at
0:08:28 for example to fiddle Toby or other
0:08:30 tempers here like extra Jesus's that
0:08:33 explicitly say that there's an opinion
0:08:35 that says and this is a strong opinion
0:08:36 going back to the Sahaba and the
0:08:38 Companions the Prophet if this
0:08:40 particular indentured servant because
0:08:43 they're not really slaves in the
0:08:44 colloquial sense because you think of
0:08:45 slaves like racial slavery we'd never
0:08:46 had died in Islam
0:08:47 that's never been part of Islamic never
0:08:49 never ever racial stuff is the Quran is
0:08:52 very that's what people think that's
0:08:54 they have in there that we're talking
0:08:55 about indentured because at the time
0:08:56 there was no prisons so these people
0:08:58 were put into into homes and imprisoned
0:09:01 as if it was a prison right
0:09:04 so that particular person if they demand
0:09:06 yeah if they demand from the the slave
0:09:09 owner to be freed then according to the
0:09:12 Philip or Toby
0:09:13 and according to the sahaba that are
0:09:15 related by this stuff's here they must
0:09:19 be freed even if the the slave owner or
0:09:21 you can say the the the the the one
0:09:24 who's the prisoner the the one who's
0:09:26 imprisoning this indentured servant
0:09:27 declines it this person can go to
0:09:29 Accardi can go to a judge and and
0:09:32 forcefully be be liberated or
0:09:37 emancipated so in other words islam I
0:09:40 would argue is the only ancient system
0:09:43 which allowed for the freeing of people
0:09:48 which were either slaves indentured
0:09:49 servants or otherwise there's nothing
0:09:52 else in the history of man that went out
0:09:55 of its way in order to get people out of
0:09:56 the shackles of slavery and into and
0:09:59 emancipated generally speaking whether
0:10:00 it be Muslim or Muslim what comes to my
0:10:03 mind is it is a turban hadatha was it am
0:10:07 I saying the right name where when he
0:10:08 was freed and then he had a chance to go
0:10:12 back to his father to his family he
0:10:16 chose to stay you know out of the love
0:10:19 you know out of the love that he had for
0:10:23 Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings be
0:10:25 upon him yeah so you have a when you put
0:10:27 yourself when you take yourself living
0:10:29 in today's 2018 today's age right and
0:10:34 then you take your back yourself back
0:10:36 1,400 years ago when the whole world
0:10:38 everybody is a muslin slavery day
0:10:39 absolutely medicine then Islam came to
0:10:42 free the necks of the slaves right
0:10:44 so if Islam just came and said it's late
0:10:47 a slavery is erratic you wouldn't work
0:10:48 it wouldn't work you got people invested
0:10:50 with millions hundreds of millions of
0:10:52 dollars you know in slave business
0:10:54 absolutely but then what you're saying
0:10:56 here is now if I'm correct now in every
0:10:59 which way you turn and you just made the
0:11:01 road that now it penetrated the hearts
0:11:05 yeah so people gave
0:11:07 is up absolutely from the love of their
0:11:09 heart absolutely not like that it was
0:11:11 forced in this country and to this day
0:11:12 people are like these people should be
0:11:14 slaves right and you have all this
0:11:16 racism is this yeah but there are
0:11:19 certain situations where people will be
0:11:21 forced to free slaves for example in
0:11:23 Islam if someone had sexual intercourse
0:11:26 with their wife in Ramadan they have to
0:11:28 free a slave if someone does the harm
0:11:30 which is mentioned in chapter 58 of the
0:11:32 Quran which they call their wives that
0:11:33 they say they you're not you're
0:11:35 basically not you're like my mother in
0:11:37 other words you're not sexually
0:11:38 compatible with me or something it's a
0:11:39 very specific kind of insult free after
0:11:41 free slaves yeah if they did if they
0:11:43 didn't off you have to free it so
0:11:45 there's so many things in Islam which
0:11:47 you're forced to free slaves if you do
0:11:49 certain things then these slaves also
0:11:51 slaves when I come governors then they
0:11:53 become scholars they become like
0:11:55 absolutely had people of high prestige
0:11:57 people will not understand this but some
0:12:00 people and because we just said that for
0:12:02 example if someone was enslaved or an
0:12:05 indentured servant don't you serve in
0:12:06 there literally whatever yeah that's
0:12:08 what they were they were indentured
0:12:09 servants if they were in in the house of
0:12:12 someone who was imprisoning them and
0:12:14 they had the rights over them and I say
0:12:15 and they decided that they wanted to do
0:12:18 more kata by which is this basically
0:12:21 it's a ransom their ransom ransoming
0:12:23 themselves they want to be freed and
0:12:26 they had that opportunity and they
0:12:28 didn't take it the question is why would
0:12:29 those people don't take it a lot of the
0:12:30 the particular slaves at that time I
0:12:32 would mention servants they didn't take
0:12:34 the opportunity because they they were
0:12:35 getting free accommodation yes now
0:12:38 that's why a lot of them continue to be
0:12:39 Malik like the Mamluk Empire was
0:12:42 actually the Mamluks there was two men
0:12:44 blocks one in Egypt and one in India but
0:12:46 the ones in Egypt and in India both of
0:12:48 those was work work of a slave car or a
0:12:50 tribe or slave a socio-economic grouping
0:12:54 so they were socioeconomically the
0:12:57 lowest of the low yet they were made
0:12:58 into the highest of the high
0:13:00 mm-hmm so it's not the same as the
0:13:03 Western experience a lot of people think
0:13:04 they generalize history say ok what will
0:13:06 happen to the transatlantic slave trade
0:13:08 where you had black people shift over in
0:13:10 West Africa yeah that's the same thing
0:13:12 as well as levers not ok before we go to
0:13:14 the next one people are automatically
0:13:16 automatically gonna see what's going on
0:13:18 with this insane state right they use
0:13:20 these
0:13:20 range elements and then some things in
0:13:24 Libya yeah what do you say to that I say
0:13:26 to that I mean it's really really
0:13:28 interesting the AI is is aa McStay we
0:13:32 shouldn't call it that we should call -
0:13:33 or something that whatever they want to
0:13:34 call themselves but the insane stay in
0:13:36 state that sounds good and saying hey
0:13:38 those particular individuals first and
0:13:41 foremost I've never seen such an extreme
0:13:44 fringe in my whole life to the extent
0:13:46 whereby I watched an interview in Arabic
0:13:48 with one of the Mogul dimensions their
0:13:52 names but they let's say they're of the
0:13:54 same ilk as Osama bin Laden right they
0:13:57 of the same ilk meaning they have the
0:13:58 same kind of they believe in the same
0:14:00 things and one of their leaders said we
0:14:05 don't consider this is actually said he
0:14:07 said we don't we call we call this group
0:14:11 back to Allison ole Jamar
0:14:14 so they don't consider them Sunni
0:14:15 Muslims some scholars don't consider
0:14:18 this particular faction is called
0:14:20 [ __ ] Muslims some scholars have said
0:14:22 that at all so that's one thing those
0:14:27 people have said that they don't go
0:14:28 there enslaving and this is what this
0:14:30 person said in the interview they're
0:14:33 enslaving their women so in other words
0:14:36 that particular is another faction in
0:14:38 the Syrian war which is let's say
0:14:39 associated with extremism that other
0:14:43 faction was associated saying the person
0:14:45 is in charge of that faction that there
0:14:48 is slaving our woman what does that show
0:14:51 it shows actually to be frank that no
0:14:54 one sees these people as doing something
0:14:56 in line with Islam not even Osama bin
0:14:58 Laden himself and I'm saying this on the
0:15:00 record not even him and we know that
0:15:02 what he stands for and all that kind of
0:15:04 stuff is completely against mainstream
0:15:05 Orthodox Islam according to all of the
0:15:07 institutions of Islam but not even he
0:15:11 would see what they're doing is in line
0:15:12 with Islam mm-hmm absolutely not yeah I
0:15:16 could mention names and all these kind
0:15:18 of things but we won't go into that
0:15:19 longer discussion but the point is this
0:15:21 is such a fringe element of Islam that
0:15:24 it's really not worth mentioning as a
0:15:26 point of reference
0:15:27 yet some Harris consistently mentions it
0:15:30 as some kind of point of reference is
0:15:32 academically disingenuous because
0:15:34 frankly
0:15:34 there are institutions in Islam and this
0:15:36 I'm a quote all of the institutions you
0:15:38 know one thing has reunited all of the
0:15:40 Muslims against them is Isis there's
0:15:45 nothing that I have United all the
0:15:46 Muslims against them more than Isis has
0:15:48 but they still pretty bring up this
0:15:50 fringe element every Muslim early drinks
0:15:52 yes every Muslim organization from India
0:15:56 to Saudi Arabia to Egypt to Saudi air to
0:15:59 all of these in Mauritania all of the
0:16:02 centers of intellectual power in Islamic
0:16:04 world which is not even familiar with
0:16:06 I'm sure Sam Harris is not familiar with
0:16:07 those places and those institutions all
0:16:09 of them have categorically condemned
0:16:13 Isis all of them so this there is a
0:16:15 consensus on this issue yeah and yeah
0:16:18 he's using it as an example so you're
0:16:20 actually disregarding all of the
0:16:23 institutional what he would call fatwas
0:16:26 religious rulings and verdicts of
0:16:28 everybody in the Muslim world all of any
0:16:31 scholar wealth is you know any scholar
0:16:34 in the Muslim world has said the same
0:16:36 thing yeah so how can we ignore all of
0:16:39 that and say okay well these these
0:16:40 disband of people and Libya the same
0:16:43 thing is obviously in Libya and things
0:16:45 have the same ideology Libya there's
0:16:46 Isis in Libya so we're killing two birds
0:16:48 want some of this because frankly the
0:16:50 ISIS ideology is so far removed from
0:16:52 mainstream Islam that absolutely
0:16:56 everybody has condemned them yeah I
0:16:58 don't see how he that has flown above
0:17:00 his head they kill more Muslims
0:17:02 absolutely yeah they actually have done
0:17:04 more harm than any to Muslims myth
0:17:06 before we go to the next point I mean
0:17:08 there was an FBI released some data
0:17:11 talking about that the book that most of
0:17:15 them were found carrying with them was a
0:17:18 showing how ignorant of Islam this group
0:17:21 the insane state is of Islam yeah a
0:17:23 dummy's guide for understanding it's
0:17:25 like yeah so this is a you know really
0:17:28 bizarre when you hear these things where
0:17:29 people are just tuning in and they're
0:17:31 wondering we got our reso vaq jujitsu
0:17:36 we're reaching out to our brother joe
0:17:38 rogan hopefully so he can invite some
0:17:41 scholars onto his show and give the
0:17:43 muslims perspective have a fair and
0:17:45 balanced approach to these very
0:17:47 important topic
0:17:48 because of against once again these
0:17:50 things helped fuel the division they
0:17:54 helped feed into the hate the
0:17:55 misunderstanding and that leads to the
0:17:57 violence we've seen a lot of it we can
0:17:58 discuss that more towards the end FLE
0:18:00 'god almighty allah and you know can get
0:18:04 this to him and you people like you said
0:18:06 they can share this they can go ahead
0:18:07 and comment on his videos on his
0:18:09 podcasts on his instagram that's a good
0:18:12 way of here well you all know mentioned
0:18:14 mention the Deen show mentioned muhammad
0:18:15 had job mentioned eddie from the Deen
0:18:17 show mentioned those things in the
0:18:18 comments and if there's enough of those
0:18:20 comments you'll see them and if he sees
0:18:21 them and if you even put the link of
0:18:23 this video on that on the on the comment
0:18:25 that would even even better beautiful
0:18:27 yeah any more he can look you up
0:18:28 muhammad hijab and you can see some of
0:18:31 your work and every table beautiful
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