Aaron Ra Finds Muslim Mohammed Hijab (2019-05-27) ​

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This video exposes Aaron Ra as not being acquainted with well-known arguments for the existence of God. Connected to this is a greater phenomenon of popular new atheist leaders being philosophically illiterate whilst at the same time making a living on making a series of philosophical claims.

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Aaron Ra argues that there must be a necessary being that all other things depend on for their existence. He illustrates this with the example of phones depending on batteries for their power. Julie challenges him to a debate, which he accepts. At the end of the video, Ra finds a Muslim woman wearing a hijab and asks her about it. The woman explains that it is a sign of respect and modesty.

00:00:00 Aaron Ra argues that there cannot be an existence where only possible things exist, because there would be an absurdity of dependent things depending upon dependent things ad infinitum. He then posits that there must be a necessary being which all other dependent things depend on in order for there to be any existence at all. He asks a student if they agree, and they say they do.

• 00:05:00 Aaron Ra argues that there must be a necessary being that puts all other contingent things into existence, otherwise we would have an absurd world of dependent things. He poses a cosmological example to illustrate his point.
• 00:10:00 Aaron Ra makes a point that existence is contingent, and that only something with an infinite power source can guarantee it. He then goes on to show how this applies to phones, which will eventually run out of charge if they're connected to each other.
• 00:15:00 Aaron Ra argues that the Sun is not infinite, and that it depends on other things for its existence. He also argues that particles do not depend on anything for their existence.
• 00:20:00 An atheist named Aaron Ra believes that fundamental particles are not dependent on anything, and when Julie challenges him on this, he retracts the statement. Julie then challenges him to a debate, which he accepts.
• 00:25:00 Aaron Ra finds a Muslim woman wearing a hijab, and he hilariously asks her why she is wearing it. The woman responds by explaining that it is a sign of respect and modesty.

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0:00:00 prism is one way I would say another one0:00:02 what you're saying is you're gonna0:00:03 determine what is the truth it's not0:00:05 because somebody says it's the truth0:00:07 we have to find out whether it is true0:00:09 let me finish my ways right so I said0:00:12 that you can either do it in two you can0:00:14 either Intuit it so in other words it0:00:15 can be something in two intuitive like0:00:17 the existence of man it can either be0:00:19 something which is logically reasoned0:00:22 like for example from first principles0:00:23 and I would put underneath that or next0:00:26 to it mathematics mathematical truth0:00:27 okay right so I would say mathematical0:00:29 truths are also something which are0:00:31 which can be proven if you put things0:00:33 together one way or another regardless0:00:35 of the category yeah yeah you're finding0:00:37 there are ways to find out that is true0:00:39 right and I would argue that you can do0:00:41 that the important point there yes is0:00:43 that you don't call it truth if you0:00:45 can't show that it's true absolutely0:00:47 would it be dishonest yes to claim0:00:49 something yes not yes so that's where I0:00:51 draw the line I may believe something0:00:52 very strongly but I won't say it's the0:00:54 truth unless I can show that it's true0:00:56 right because I think it's dishonest to0:00:58 do it I'll be honest with you our in ice0:00:59 I believe that our conception because I0:01:02 know that you might so I apologize0:01:05 because I'm dead all right sorry I0:01:07 apologize no I understand that you might0:01:09 have good enough to go wait yeah well0:01:11 we'll make this very quick so I0:01:12 understand our own that you might have0:01:15 encountered a lot of Christian0:01:16 fundamentalists and things like that0:01:18 I want to say from an Islamic0:01:19 perspective our conception of God I love0:01:21 that you've gotten your a t-shirt right0:01:23 it's completely different from that of0:01:24 the Christian God right in that it's not0:01:26 triune it's not Jesus being you know God0:01:29 or the Son of God so what I would say is0:01:31 that bearing that in mind and bearing in0:01:34 mind that our understanding of God is an0:01:35 incorporeal immaterial one necessary0:01:39 being which is independent I would say0:01:41 that that can be proved from first0:01:43 principles Aaron and I can prove that to0:01:45 you right now you've improved yeah yeah0:01:47 from first principles and I'm not saying0:01:49 God exists in the vernacular0:01:51 once again thinking about okay0:01:54 eminent philosophers who are atheist how0:01:56 is that possible now it's possible that0:01:58 people can believe in false beliefs0:01:59 right yeah just because I just because0:02:01 people are believing people I'm talking0:02:04 to a novel yeah yeah Wow anyone can make0:02:07 a claim boy you have to ask the same way0:02:09 I want to invite you to something yeah I0:02:11 do a semi-regular video series where I0:02:15 read a few servers of the Quran right I0:02:17 write a blog post my impression of them0:02:19 I'm only a third of the way into the0:02:21 bank right and then I have a video0:02:23 hangout with a number of mostly expose0:02:27 once I have one believe and they correct0:02:30 me on what I got once I don't know0:02:32 anything about the hip Iran all right no0:02:33 problems as much as I can0:02:35 yes no I'm happy to I'm happy to assist0:02:37 with that all right yeah and I'll give0:02:38 you my number before you leave but I'm0:02:41 about to leave no no just this I want to0:02:42 say one one thing and then you can kind0:02:44 of challenge it if you want what was0:02:46 going to say is you agree that there are0:02:49 contingent things in existence things0:02:51 that depend upon other things for their0:02:52 existence and things which could be0:02:54 arranged in any other way for example0:02:58 right you're wearing a t-shirt the0:03:01 t-shirt that you're wearing has is that0:03:03 it depends on some kind of material and0:03:04 it could be rearranged in any other it0:03:05 could be blue it could have been green0:03:07 or yellow right so those things are in0:03:10 existence contingent things possible0:03:13 things are in existence yes if it's0:03:18 possible and now here's my here's my0:03:20 here's my poster has my postulation my0:03:22 only postulation today my postulation is0:03:25 that it's impossible for there to be a0:03:27 world where there are only possible0:03:29 things in existence and I'll tell you0:03:31 why how I reason that I reason that I0:03:34 reason that we can talk about well you0:03:39 don't have to agree or disagree look0:03:41 what you don't have to be this good Josh0:03:48 I'm speaking taeran if you don't mind so0:03:51 what was gonna say was the reason why0:03:53 only possible things cannot be in0:03:55 existence is because you have the0:03:57 absurdity of dependent things depending0:03:59 of depending upon dependent things ad0:04:01 infinitum so you have compound in the0:04:04 dependency in other words there's no0:04:06 necessary0:04:07 for anything to come into existence in0:04:08 particular so in other words my0:04:10 postulation is as follows my postulation0:04:12 is that there must be a necessary being0:04:15 through which all other dependent things0:04:18 all other contingent things depend on in0:04:21 order for there to be any existence in0:04:22 the first place now here's my question0:04:24 to you if you say there must be a0:04:26 necessary technology that's necessary it0:04:30 must be but you have it so how's that0:04:32 going to be and you also said you think0:04:34 that's also going to be a world where0:04:36 there are only possible things I'll tell0:04:37 you why that's implying that there's0:04:38 everywhere there are impossible things0:04:40 no no absolutely so okay you've got0:04:43 through categories right absolutely0:04:44 right0:04:44 you've got impossible things like a0:04:45 squared circle which cannot be in0:04:47 existence we agree with that right me0:04:49 and you agree a squared circle cannot0:04:50 exist in the real world then you have0:04:52 things which are contingent things which0:04:54 are possible things which could have0:04:55 otherwise been differently or which if0:04:57 you take out of creation the creation0:04:59 doesn't collapse these things are0:05:00 dependent things they're contingent0:05:02 things all right then you have and this0:05:04 is what my population is you must have a0:05:07 necessary being that puts all other0:05:10 contingent things into existence and0:05:12 through which it can depend on otherwise0:05:14 you have the absurdity of dependent0:05:16 things depending upon dependent things0:05:18 ad infinitum now what I'm saying is as0:05:20 simple as this right from my perspective0:05:22 I could not imagine it's not possible I0:05:24 would say it's logically unfeasible from0:05:27 a epistemological perspective for there0:05:30 to be a world with only dependent things0:05:33 can you explain how there could be a0:05:35 world with only dependent things and0:05:38 first of all that's that's answer I0:05:40 don't see you sir0:05:42 yeah even yeah even when we have0:05:44 symbiosis there's an evolution to get0:05:47 there0:05:47 right right right so that so what I'm0:05:51 saying is no problem so would you agree0:05:52 with me that there's a necessary0:05:54 existence that puts all other possible0:05:56 things into existence0:05:57 no why not there's no indication no no0:06:00 there is no you know what the indication0:06:02 of a is wait do you know what the0:06:03 indication of that is let me show you0:06:05 what the immigration alida pirate so say0:06:07 for example let me put this in0:06:08 mathematical terms say you have a series0:06:10 you know gonna help you go there no you0:06:12 know you don't know right you're sorry0:06:13 you say you have a series and and in0:06:16 that series you have possible things in0:06:18 that series possible one possible to0:06:20 possible call it dependent thing0:06:21 contingent thing whatever you want to0:06:22 call it yes let me explain to you I'm0:06:41 using a cosmological example right which0:06:43 is an example which makes reference to0:06:44 the universe but putting it in a0:06:46 mathematical term I'm not sick right0:06:49 very good0:06:50 oh no but that's good so I'm saying is0:06:52 that for example Harun Aaron listen to0:06:54 me what I'm saying is it's very simple0:06:57 right if you have that number of false0:06:59 premises then you're gonna get to a0:07:00 false conclusion that's what I'm reading0:07:01 so okay so premise 1 Impossibles or0:07:04 let's say a postulation 1 impossible0:07:06 things can't be in existence a squared0:07:08 circle can't be in existence agreed to a0:07:09 and great all right impossible means0:07:11 impossible all right a possible thing0:07:12 like for example this happen it's got NY0:07:15 on it right New York right now this hat0:07:24 could have had on it LA yes you could0:07:27 have had on the LA right it could have0:07:28 been a blue it could've been a green hat0:07:29 now that so in other words this cap that0:07:32 he's got on his head is a possible0:07:33 contingent thing yeah I'm sure you're0:07:35 aware of this this argument right ok I'm0:07:37 sure right wondering if it's going to go0:07:39 nothing now and yet it didn't have to0:07:41 exist right now a necessary fact is two0:07:43 plus two equals four agreed because that0:07:46 fact two plus two equals four could not0:07:48 be any other way0:07:53 all right but we're not changing we're0:07:55 not changing the axiom cuz it's the only0:07:57 person with Nana we're not check we're0:07:58 not changing we could go to gold or we0:08:00 can go to and then that but for the sake0:08:02 of argument we're saying two plus two0:08:03 equals four unless we want to really0:08:05 make this an absurd argument or go crazy0:08:07 okay is two plus two equals four is a0:08:09 necessary fact so in other words it's0:08:12 eternally going to be two plus two is0:08:13 always going to be four okay right so0:08:15 unnecessary fact is something which0:08:17 could not be any other way in the0:08:19 context of existence why I'm saying is0:08:22 that you have possible existences and0:08:23 you must have a necessary existence0:08:25 because because if you have only0:08:28 possible existences which could be any0:08:30 other way then it's conceivable that0:08:32 this world would have been any other way0:08:34 this universe could have been any other0:08:36 way just within this galaxy alright so0:08:39 there must exceed every other way is0:08:41 probably out there perfect so y'all see0:08:43 you're agreeing that this universe could0:08:45 have been any other way0:08:46 no I'm saying yeah right right0:08:56 there's a gap between unnecessary being0:08:59 and God so even are not for me I don't0:09:01 think even if you establish for you0:09:04 that's the thing no I'm not saying0:09:06 Christianity I think theism and even if0:09:08 you think about can we do one thing0:09:10 outside to say well talking to an0:09:12 atheist never say I'm saying just0:09:13 because I just wanna climb that this0:09:15 year yeah you can establish the0:09:16 necessary existence of this big right0:09:19 but that doesn't mean that there has to0:09:20 be we haven't done that yet with him so0:09:23 can we do that the properties of God can0:09:25 have that's a separate discussion Josh0:09:27 side-effect if you're trying to prove0:09:29 God to an atheist or your deacon very0:09:30 good question good argument for God's0:09:36 existence and I don't think loggers0:09:38 that's finebros so that's fine but you0:09:41 understand now the point I'm making to0:09:42 you is if you have a world of only0:09:45 possible existences nothing like force0:09:47 nothing the only thing you put in now0:09:49 you can't have that we knew0:09:51 can only have a world of possible okay0:09:54 can't have no no no no juxtapose in the0:09:58 word possible with impossible I agree0:10:00 with you that's correct0:10:02 Aaron we were yes yeah exactly right yes0:10:09 yes right excellent0:10:19 so that's a really good question so we0:10:21 said two plus two equals four is a0:10:23 necessary fact it will always be two0:10:25 plus two equals four eternally right0:10:27 necessary because it couldn't be any0:10:29 other way it's not what's your name0:10:33 what's your name0:10:33 Julia it's by the way it's not0:10:38 everything this is not what I call it0:10:39 this is what live myths call it it's0:10:41 what gold will calls it is what at least0:10:43 I know cause it's what flour are before0:10:44 everybody said it's cause it necessary0:10:46 existence so I'm not calling it anything0:10:48 I'm just bringing you back what's in the0:10:49 literature regardless of the names you0:10:51 program yeah anybody united great you0:10:54 have to understand the argument to be0:10:55 able to convey that or it doesn't matter0:10:57 that some other people written a book on0:10:59 it actually it's called Kalam0:11:00 cosmological arguments you can you can0:11:02 buy it if you want is actually a0:11:03 best-seller now in the atheist of if0:11:04 your section it's overtaking The God0:11:06 Delusion so I think I have actually0:11:08 understood yogi McKay has been0:11:09 peer-reviewed as well you can check0:11:12 that's not my friend that's not my fault0:11:14 you're meant to but you're meant to be0:11:15 an atheist specialist and you're right0:11:17 right so if you don't understand the0:11:19 argument you're one of the figures of0:11:21 new figureheads of New Atheism if you0:11:23 don't understand the argument then0:11:24 there's only one thing I can do is I0:11:25 could try and relay the argument but0:11:27 it's not it's not my fault that you're0:11:28 not understanding now let me say one0:11:30 more time let me make it as easy as0:11:31 possible right say say you have a phone0:11:33 this is the phone okay yes okay let me0:11:37 make this as simple as possible is it0:11:39 dependent on something it's dependent on0:11:42 charge I have to put the charger inside0:11:43 yes0:11:45 not the existence of yeah the0:11:48 functioning we're just good excellent0:11:50 thank you for that let's get any better0:11:51 from here yeah it does but you have to0:11:53 be patient because I'm losing that I0:11:55 should have gone already Aaron if I was0:11:57 listening to something you're saying I0:11:58 was trying to get what you're saying0:11:59 right we all will have to be patient0:12:01 with your child for learning to take0:12:02 place you had time then all right that0:12:04 time there Aaron this phone has charged0:12:07 in it okay if you put it requires a0:12:11 charge I in order to be charged now say0:12:13 for example I connect this phone to0:12:16 another phone yes with a wire I put this0:12:19 phone to another phone so what on a wire0:12:22 right you've got this phone another0:12:23 phone in a wire right and then you've0:12:25 got that phone with a telephone in the0:12:26 wire0:12:26 so you've got three phones right you0:12:28 have three phones if you have three0:12:30 phones what eventually happens to the0:12:32 functionality of the phone that the0:12:34 charge will run out would you finish0:12:39 just just you're just poisoning the0:12:41 world well everyone can see what you're0:12:43 doing and and you know it's looking0:12:45 cheap it's looking  __  I'm watching as0:12:47 a Christian you should just know I'll0:12:49 have the discussion later is emptiness0:12:50 thought it's about what is it good all0:12:52 wrong no no let me let me make it there0:12:54 and then you clarify the point let me0:12:56 let me feel Josh let me speak about let0:12:58 me make the argument and then you can0:12:59 judge I've seen just the middle of me0:13:01 well whatever you finish what you0:13:03 haven't you haven't let me finish I mean0:13:05 if you don't let someone finish and then0:13:07 you say it's not good then that's0:13:07 actually disingenuine T alright so0:13:10 you've got three phones say for example0:13:12 of them got charged right so I connect0:13:14 this phone to another phone and this0:13:15 phone to another phone now what will0:13:17 happen if I connect all three of them to0:13:19 allow them all to charge using each0:13:20 other's energies eventually they all run0:13:22 out of charge we all agree and the0:13:24 reason why is because they all dependent0:13:26 they all depend the phone is depended0:13:29 charge of the phone the analogy here is0:13:30 the charge of the phone the charge of0:13:32 the phone is dependent0:13:34 yes now I'm saying is if you have a0:13:36 world owner of limited what you call it0:13:41 limited dependent things all of them0:13:44 will depend upon another thing and if0:13:46 this is in the context of existence you0:13:47 would not have existence because you0:13:48 have to have something which depends0:13:50 upon nothing in order for everything0:13:52 else to exist0:13:53 does that make sense so in other words0:13:55 an hour an hour example and the analogy0:13:58 you have to have an infinite power0:13:59 source so we were going back to what we0:14:04 just said the necessary existence that0:14:06 existence that yeah yeah yeah yeah now0:14:13 what I'm saying is now I've shown is0:14:14 that possible or contingent things by0:14:17 definition are dependent a phone this0:14:20 phone is dependent on another phone for0:14:21 charge that phone on another phone for0:14:23 charge if we connect them right now one0:14:24 just let me finish if you have three of0:14:26 them if you have files then if you have0:14:28 ten of them then they're all going to be0:14:29 dependent on each other now what's going0:14:31 to eventually happen on the with the0:14:33 phones they're going to run out of0:14:34 charge what I'm saying to you is that0:14:35 the functionality of the phone's charge0:14:37 here is analogous to existence in my0:14:40 analogy and also a lot perfect analogy0:14:41 you could destroy the analogy if you0:14:43 want but what I'm saying is that this is0:14:44 my only thing that I can try and break0:14:45 droid closer to you so if things which0:14:48 are dependent depend upon dependent0:14:49 things add in ad infinitum unless0:14:52 there's an infinite power source0:14:53 somewhere in the equation there will not0:14:55 be any existence and what I'm saying is0:14:57 that the infinite power source if you0:14:59 like all the necessary existence that we0:15:01 refer to is God and now we call it God0:15:04 what it's not not an infinite power0:15:05 source it can't be right it has to be0:15:08 why because otherwise nothing else would0:15:09 be in existence0:15:12 yep go and Judy you understand this one0:15:16 you get it so we get our energy from the0:15:19 Sun yes yes good and excellent happy0:15:22 input no it don't hold on this very good0:15:24 example so we're in for example um well0:15:28 an ecosystem right you got human beings0:15:30 you got animals whatever you want all of0:15:32 that is dependent upon the Sun yes the0:15:34 Sun itself it's not infinite but the0:15:36 front of the Sun itself is dependent0:15:38 upon other things no other Suns are the0:15:41 galaxies are independent it depends on0:15:44 the laws of physics it's dependent upon0:15:46 a range of factors helium if you don't0:15:48 have helium you can have a son you have0:15:49 to have different if you break down the0:15:51 Sun we agree right so the Sun is0:15:53 dependent are we agree yeah now is Julia0:15:59 can we can we sticked sorry sorry before0:16:01 before you continue less he understands0:16:04 this or I just want him to fully0:16:05 understand the argument he's he's0:16:07 already nearly there what you said is0:16:09 that the Sun is the it's not the Panther0:16:12 or something else we've shown actually0:16:13 it is right so the whole universe now0:16:16 there's only two ways you can go no0:16:19 problem is the universe dependent or0:16:21 independent the way you're talking about0:16:24 the Sun having to have fuel if I take0:16:27 that yeah yeah then if the soldiers0:16:29 depended on other things yes five didn't0:16:31 it's perfect0:16:32 so the excellent exit right right so the0:16:35 same thing now so what we need to have0:16:37 because that chain will continue going0:16:38 dependent things can't depend upon0:16:40 dependent things ad infinitum you have0:16:42 to have something which is necessary0:16:44 yeah of course what I'm saying is that0:16:46 there is a Miss impossible it's0:16:48 logically inconceivable that dependent0:16:50 things can depend upon dependent things0:16:52 ad infinitum what I'm saying is that or0:16:54 not infinite to me that I'm out of here0:17:05 they depend upon other things can you0:17:08 prove to me that they don't you know one0:17:11 trying to prove something to me the0:17:12 burden I've set your so you've just made0:17:15 a claim actually you said that you said0:17:23 that particles don't depends on anything0:17:26 can you prove that no I've said that for0:17:28 your argument to hold I need to show0:17:29 that the particles don't all right so0:17:33 here's the thing what you and Aaron0:17:35 couldn't deal with is this the new0:17:37 atheist view but it's Paula the new0:17:39 atheist movement is crumbling right in0:17:41 front of me one by one every single one0:17:43 of them cannot deal with this argument0:17:44 because by the way I can't believe it0:17:47 was like you know it really all in all0:17:48 it took was just a little bit of0:17:49 bringing out an argument and the whole0:17:51 new atheist movement in front of my very0:17:53 eyes standing up creature so what was0:18:11 your argument of all you need to show0:18:13 that fundamentals so you said jr. you0:18:18 said right here right now it was under0:18:19 camera I know I'm like I say I believe0:18:21 about the case I can't I can't because0:18:26 I'm telling you that before you aren't0:18:27 even talking it showed that that were0:18:29 case and fundamental particles depend on0:18:31 some0:18:31 okay they depend upon the laws of nature0:18:33 no oh wait a minute no no the road II0:18:36 mean they depend a little the laws of0:18:38 physics which are which are presupposed0:18:40 by the study of psyche need never know0:18:42 can you tell me what the laws of physics0:18:43 are there are many if you want to go and0:18:45 see a book or I want you to tell me what0:18:50 you think those are caramels your pusher0:18:56 yes okay so you can be described in0:19:57 different ways mine which is got his and0:20:01 he's got a equals job actually give a0:20:10 number zero point zero seven significant0:20:13 physical physics when mathematics apply0:20:16 to universal law0:20:17 yes okay so when he says zero point zero0:20:19 seven is a number n which is applied to0:20:21 the universe is that well he looks out0:20:24 for look at me for example right yes so0:20:29 he says that that's the conversion of0:20:31 helium into energy for example0:20:59 I'm saying to you now but you know you0:21:29 said that the particles are fundamental0:21:32 particles don't depend on every anything0:21:36 you said unless you want to retract that0:21:39 statement which is what every atheist0:21:41 does when they're in front of me now you0:21:42 said that fundamental particles don't0:21:45 depend on anything0:21:48 now did you believe that fundamental0:21:51 particles don't depend on anything thank0:21:57 you for saying that because now what0:21:59 you've shown is that you believe in the0:22:00 existence of an independent being but0:22:03 the only thing is no no hold on the only0:22:06 thing is now no no no no problem but you0:22:09 extend because before you were saying0:22:11 there's no such thing as a necessary0:22:13 thing you're saying now there's no hold0:22:15 on Julie you're gonna retract your0:22:17 statement because that's what every0:22:18 atheist does in front of me0:22:20 it's on camera you said you'd believe0:22:23 you just started four minutes ago you0:22:25 just said you believe that fundamental0:22:27 particles are not dependent on anything0:22:30 by definition what you're effectively0:22:32 saying is you believe fundamental0:22:34 particles are independent now obsolete0:22:36 whenever name what I see what I mean0:22:38 when I say fundamental algorithm I'm0:22:41 just explaining what the standard model0:22:43 says okay go ahead mentally yeah0:22:46 according to quantum field theory energy0:22:49 spikes by your belief Julie should have0:22:55 come into their tribe to challenge me0:22:56 because what you've done now seriously0:22:58 you should really think about it before0:22:59 you come inside to make claims well do0:23:02 you need to you shouldn't have come here0:23:06 because what you've done now is you've0:23:08 given me exactly why I want it in the0:23:10 beginning you said that I have to prove0:23:12 that is necessary independent being now0:23:14 you've just said you believe that0:23:16 fundamental particles are not dependent0:23:18 on your words exactly you believe you0:23:20 said I believe fundamental particles are0:23:22 not dependent on anything0:23:23 now all I'm saying as a Muslim is that0:23:25 my my understanding let me finish let me0:23:30 finish you know your God yeah yo go to0:23:36 the newer it is that then the only0:23:38 difference between my god and your God0:23:39 is size that's the only difference0:23:41 yes no honestly yeah you need to0:23:43 understand judo and atheist anymore in0:23:45 front of me and use you said that and0:24:03 also I want Julie Julie now you don't0:24:05 think you give me exactly0:24:10 particles are independent that's why she0:24:13 said it not dependent on anything that's0:24:14 the definition of Independence now if0:24:15 you believe in an independent now let me0:24:17 tell you something for aesthetic0:24:18 perspective you have to understand this0:24:24 wait a minute you said not dependent on0:24:26 anything0:24:26 how can someone how can something be not0:24:28 depend I think the light dependent is0:24:32 very misleading because it's like0:24:33 fundamentally even inside the standard0:24:36 bottle things tip like more0:24:37 interdependent they depend on a0:24:39 fundamental level and the thing is I0:24:41 know that so there is some particles of0:24:59 energy you're saying0:25:18 [Laughter]0:25:27 the