Advice to Yaqeen/Sh.Yasir Qadhi on LGBT (2022-06-23) #

0:00:00 hey you are you wasting your time on
0:00:02 social media again your brothers and
0:00:04 sisters in islam net from norway are
0:00:06 establishing a masjid a tawa center
0:00:10 establishing a masjid to convey the
0:00:11 message of islam is one of the best
0:00:14 deeds a muslim can do there's a huge
0:00:17 need for it in norway you know this and
0:00:18 i know this so that makes the reward
0:00:21 even greater so give generously and
0:00:24 allah azzawajal will give you even more
0:00:28 [Music]
0:00:36 this is a follow-up video from one that
0:00:38 i've done before about issues relating
0:00:40 to lgbtq
0:00:42 especially pertaining to the muslim
0:00:43 community the tradition is muslim oh you
0:00:45 just call it the muslim community and in
0:00:48 the previous video that i made i was
0:00:50 speaking particularly about some
0:00:51 approaches of
0:00:52 uh some dawah organizations
0:00:55 um i mentioned ikna i mentioned yakreen
0:00:57 i mentioned some figures
0:00:59 of dawah like
0:01:02 dr jonathan brown and other individuals
0:01:05 who are i would consider big players in
0:01:07 the tawa at least or in the public
0:01:09 discourse and rightfully so because they
0:01:11 have made many contributions which some
0:01:14 of their detractors
0:01:15 will never be able to make let alone
0:01:17 have made in the past for example
0:01:19 yesterday has done some great work
0:01:22 especially relating to the seerah that
0:01:24 he's put up in the english language i
0:01:25 think i don't think
0:01:26 almost anyone has done anything like
0:01:28 that in terms of the effort and the
0:01:30 output that was put into that and the
0:01:32 originality and the
0:01:33 research that must have been put into
0:01:35 such a thing
0:01:36 likewise
0:01:38 he's done really great work and when it
0:01:40 comes to the production quality of some
0:01:42 of the things that have come up from
0:01:42 japan i think everyone agrees that it's
0:01:44 really brilliant and excellent and when
0:01:46 he comes and
0:01:48 speaks especially when he storytells and
0:01:50 i have to say it's really really like
0:01:52 inspirational the way he speaks about
0:01:54 some of the prophets of the past and
0:01:56 some of the companions of the past
0:01:57 masha'allah is really it's excellent and
0:01:59 jonathan brown an excellent a star a
0:02:02 great academic who's done some really
0:02:04 great work in the past and i think a lot
0:02:05 of the detractors that do attack these
0:02:07 people may have perverse intentions
0:02:09 quite frankly i mean
0:02:11 and
0:02:12 i will repeat will not in the future
0:02:15 let alone have in the past be able to
0:02:17 produce anything like what these
0:02:19 individuals have produced in terms of
0:02:21 their contribution to the islamic
0:02:22 discourse for the muslim people
0:02:25 so we have benefited from that and i
0:02:26 think it's important to start with that
0:02:28 kind of recognition because these people
0:02:30 have been in the dawa and in the public
0:02:32 space much longer than we have and we
0:02:35 uh you know have benefited i have
0:02:36 personally benefited so much from all
0:02:39 three individuals i must say
0:02:41 and so i don't want anyone to think
0:02:43 that this is trying to you know cancel
0:02:46 them or something like this and
0:02:47 what do we gain from that they're our
0:02:49 friends we have a good personal
0:02:50 relationship with them i've spoken to
0:02:52 yesterday twice we've done two podcasts
0:02:55 together jonathan brown has done a
0:02:56 podcast with him we have a good personal
0:02:58 relationship there's no need or reason
0:03:00 or personal gain that i get from this at
0:03:02 all
0:03:04 at all the second thing i'll say is
0:03:07 they've done great work and they
0:03:08 continue to do great work and we don't
0:03:09 want to disturb that great work
0:03:12 not having said all that
0:03:14 what i will say is this
0:03:16 there are some approaches which need to
0:03:18 be examined okay there are some
0:03:20 approaches that need to be examined now
0:03:21 recently i was very encouraged to find
0:03:24 that after i done my first video
0:03:27 that jacquin actually done a webinar
0:03:30 uh
0:03:32 sorry they've done webinar we are
0:03:33 cleaned on a webinar
0:03:35 on lgbtq uh issues i think that was the
0:03:38 name of the webinar and they did clarify
0:03:41 a lot a lot of things they clarified the
0:03:43 ah cam of same-sex relationships and so
0:03:46 on and i was very encouraged to see this
0:03:48 uh clarification and unhappy and really
0:03:52 i i i salute the the effort and commend
0:03:55 it uh genuinely i'm not just saying i'm
0:03:57 not just saying that and even
0:03:59 came out and made a video about
0:04:00 transgenderism and the fetus on on that
0:04:03 and so on and honestly i really
0:04:06 appreciate the self-reflective nature of
0:04:09 the institute that you've been able to
0:04:10 do all that kind of thing
0:04:12 but what i will say is this
0:04:15 the level of clarification there's a
0:04:17 question i have to you
0:04:19 is the level of clarification
0:04:23 in line or commensurate with the level
0:04:26 of
0:04:26 doubt or shubha that has been created
0:04:28 this is a question for me to you is the
0:04:31 level of clarification that has been
0:04:32 provided
0:04:33 commensurate
0:04:34 or
0:04:36 with the level of subha that has been
0:04:37 created now you may ask why should there
0:04:40 be such a subha when we have
0:04:42 consistently made
0:04:44 you know our points clear on the ham of
0:04:46 same-sex relationships i'll tell you why
0:04:49 and since i've had these
0:04:50 conversations online public
0:04:52 conversations which are which are on the
0:04:54 public record which people can watch
0:04:56 i'll give you three examples of it in
0:04:59 fact
0:05:00 the level of shubha or doubt has been
0:05:02 created on account
0:05:04 of some of the stances that jacquin have
0:05:06 taken
0:05:07 for example jonathan brown made an
0:05:10 article
0:05:11 or has written an article that was then
0:05:13 put onto jaquin which argued for the
0:05:16 case of us supporting as the muslim
0:05:18 community same-sex marriage
0:05:20 now he says it wasn't an islamic case
0:05:22 and he put so many caveats it wasn't
0:05:25 quid pro quo and it wasn't this and so
0:05:27 on
0:05:28 nevertheless
0:05:29 it was an article that argued that
0:05:31 muslim people should vote for homosexual
0:05:35 marriage in america or maybe elsewhere
0:05:37 okay
0:05:39 and it was on a
0:05:41 website of an organization which was
0:05:43 meant to represent the interests of the
0:05:45 muslim people and it was really
0:05:47 an apolo it is really an apologetic
0:05:49 organization which was meant to deal
0:05:51 with the doubts of the people
0:05:53 if it is a political
0:05:55 article what is it doing
0:05:57 on
0:05:58 an islamic website
0:06:01 isn't that shopper that is being created
0:06:04 so the question now which begs itself
0:06:07 is
0:06:08 can muslim people support such a thing
0:06:09 which is antithetical to their own
0:06:11 beliefs are you telling me that such a
0:06:12 thing was not a supper it was a supper
0:06:15 and the evidence of that
0:06:16 is that it was removed subsequently
0:06:19 after these discussions were had in the
0:06:21 public sphere after we had him on the mh
0:06:23 podcast after the muslim community
0:06:25 wasn't buying quite frankly the series
0:06:27 of justifications that jonathan brown
0:06:29 has put forward
0:06:31 it was removed but was removed without
0:06:33 clarification
0:06:35 it was removed without consolation it
0:06:37 was removed without retraction formal
0:06:39 retraction it was just
0:06:41 inconsequent conspicuously removed
0:06:44 and is that enough is that sufficient
0:06:46 for the muslim community i i say no it's
0:06:49 not enough after you've done something
0:06:51 like that which no muslim scholar in the
0:06:52 history of islam has argued
0:06:55 you make an argument that no
0:06:57 precedent has been given for
0:06:59 jurisprudentially
0:07:01 and then you just remove it and then no
0:07:03 clarification is given i think that is
0:07:05 quite frankly not fair on the muslim
0:07:07 community
0:07:09 a second example is there's an entire
0:07:11 framework that
0:07:12 man has put forward on fruitful
0:07:14 coalition building he calls it and it's
0:07:16 still up there now and he's got levels
0:07:19 of it and we're seeing almost
0:07:21 you know shake hands and hold hands and
0:07:23 so on with members of the lgbtq
0:07:26 community
0:07:27 walking in the parades and doing these
0:07:29 practices and rituals and all these kind
0:07:30 of things which has been refuted for and
0:07:32 rightfully so quite frankly
0:07:35 and then
0:07:37 where is i mean is the level of
0:07:39 apology and the level of clarification
0:07:41 was it
0:07:43 was it in line with that you have to ask
0:07:45 yourself that question you have to ask
0:07:47 yourself that question
0:07:49 secondly
0:07:50 why is it the case that the only
0:07:53 relationship that the big players of
0:07:56 american da'wah have had with
0:07:58 homosexuals is one where they're a
0:08:01 either on the back foot or b trying to
0:08:03 build coalitions is this really the
0:08:05 quranic model
0:08:08 well it's not
0:08:20 is that we the only thing the muslims
0:08:22 are doing with
0:08:23 individuals who are self-proclaimed
0:08:26 happily homosexuals is this
0:08:31 i don't think you'd sorry to say i'm
0:08:32 sorry i'm so sorry i don't think you
0:08:34 would endorse that in the least
0:08:37 why have you never given doubt why have
0:08:38 we never seen any of you give dawah
0:08:41 to individuals who are exhibiting this
0:08:43 feeling
0:08:44 from the non-muslim community
0:08:46 true relationship building
0:08:50 is not having a phony relationship based
0:08:52 on disingenuous beliefs
0:08:56 or that you try and put the elephant
0:08:57 under the carpet or something
0:09:00 no
0:09:01 true relationship building is where you
0:09:03 agree to disagree
0:09:05 that is why
0:09:06 the homosexual community some of which
0:09:09 they have no problem with me
0:09:10 it's all for the public record to see
0:09:12 i've had conversations with them in the
0:09:14 public space
0:09:15 and after i've explained to them my
0:09:18 entire ethos and my all my beliefs
0:09:21 it's still agreed to disagree and it's
0:09:22 actually happy days because there is
0:09:24 tolerance in that community i mean it's
0:09:25 not like they're completely intolerant
0:09:26 to the muslim people do you have such
0:09:29 uh maybe
0:09:30 fear that they'll you'll be rejected by
0:09:32 them that you cannot even engage with
0:09:34 them in a positive manner telling them
0:09:35 what islam is
0:09:37 why have we not seen one
0:09:40 single video
0:09:42 or something on the public record where
0:09:44 you are challenging the beliefs
0:09:46 and the stances and the practices of
0:09:48 those individuals who we call brothers
0:09:51 and sisters in humanity
0:09:52 if you really want the best for someone
0:09:54 you share what you think you have with
0:09:56 them
0:09:57 it's not it's
0:10:00 that's the second criticism so this is a
0:10:02 weak
0:10:02 approach and this weakness was exhibited
0:10:06 for all to see
0:10:08 in the following clip which i found was
0:10:11 well when i first saw it i was very
0:10:13 upset and angered on behalf of shaykh
0:10:16 let's watch let's watch the clip
0:10:17 together do you see how that's
0:10:19 problematic for a lot of people
0:10:20 listening who'll say you say they're
0:10:21 welcome in your mosque but they're
0:10:22 welcome as sinners and that
0:10:24 well it's not it's not our it's not our
0:10:27 uh job to judge others i'm willing to
0:10:29 allow them their rights are they willing
0:10:31 to allow me my rights when you say
0:10:32 you're willing to allow them their
0:10:33 rights their political rights
0:10:35 do you support same-sex marriage i
0:10:36 support the notion that the american
0:10:38 government is not in charge of morality
0:10:40 so you're not opposed to same-sex
0:10:42 marriage
0:10:43 politically yes but but morally i i
0:10:46 don't agree with this so there's a
0:10:47 there's a difference
0:10:48 of the land you're not complaining
0:10:50 do you think
0:10:52 that
0:10:53 this is fair
0:10:54 that a member of the
0:10:57 so-called scholarly classes
0:10:59 the high echelons of islamic
0:11:01 intellectuality
0:11:04 is put in front of an individual
0:11:06 actually two of them but let's focus on
0:11:08 linda
0:11:09 an individual who is flirting with
0:11:12 clandestine apostasy
0:11:16 and that she's putting you on the back
0:11:17 foot
0:11:20 well it breaks my heart to see that
0:11:23 she's putting you on the back foot
0:11:25 and she's mentioning things which have
0:11:27 in them the potential for riddha
0:11:30 apostasy and they're going unchallenged
0:11:32 this is an individual who's wearing a
0:11:34 head scarf
0:11:35 she's in front of a man of deen religion
0:11:38 and she's saying we basically it's a
0:11:40 paraphrase that she thinks the cause of
0:11:42 homosexuality is the same islamic cause
0:11:44 you put that to linda you're an american
0:11:45 muslim civil rights activist you
0:11:47 campaign against islamophobia in favor
0:11:49 of muslim civil rights but you also
0:11:50 campaign against homophobia and in favor
0:11:53 of lgbt rights do you see that as all
0:11:55 part of the same struggle
0:11:57 absolutely and i will say this about
0:11:58 american muslims there has not been any
0:12:00 coordinated coordinated campaign
0:12:02 oppositional to the supreme court um
0:12:04 decision for same-sex marriage and
0:12:06 you're not correcting that in fact
0:12:07 you're just revere you're talking about
0:12:09 your own track record and defending
0:12:10 yourself yeah not even islam but quite
0:12:12 frankly yourself well let me put that
0:12:14 point to it well that's exactly what
0:12:15 i've been doing linda if you actually
0:12:16 listen to the lectures that are on
0:12:18 youtube uh i would say i'm one of the
0:12:19 very few clerics that have very publicly
0:12:22 said do you think this is going to give
0:12:24 islam and muslims
0:12:29 it is a failed approach and it's not an
0:12:32 approach that is going to yield any uh
0:12:34 positive effects
0:12:36 and it's likely to
0:12:38 mark all of the good work you've done
0:12:40 elsewhere
0:12:41 and i see that as a real tragedy in fact
0:12:43 and it hurts me to say it
0:12:46 it hurts me to say it but i'm angered
0:12:48 and disappointed
0:12:50 and i never saw this video before i only
0:12:51 saw this quite recently when i saw it i
0:12:53 was very disappointed when i
0:12:55 to see a woman like that yeah
0:12:58 a woman like that
0:13:00 yanni put you on the back foot yes
0:13:03 in that way
0:13:04 yeah and you couldn't even ask a couple
0:13:06 of questions that would have put her
0:13:07 directly on the back foot do you
0:13:08 consider homosexuality as a sin
0:13:10 it would have it would have if she said
0:13:12 yes
0:13:13 then it would so how do you
0:13:15 then you can follow up if she said no
0:13:17 then you can excommunicate her you can
0:13:20 excommunicate from the fault of islam
0:13:22 after you do it kamas alhaja and then
0:13:24 you put her in the back foot again you
0:13:26 you strip her of the fake identity that
0:13:28 then she would be putting upon herself
0:13:30 this is the isa we require this is the
0:13:33 clear-cut
0:13:34 straight talking kulu kola and sadida
0:13:36 that we need
0:13:38 it's not fair that the muslims have this
0:13:41 level of representation quite frankly on
0:13:43 issues so
0:13:44 topical as these
0:13:46 and then you know and then confusion is
0:13:49 put in the atmosphere so i've given you
0:13:50 three clear cut examples
0:13:54 of why the shah as is as it is
0:13:57 why the doubt has been created in the
0:14:00 minds of the muslims the issue is not
0:14:02 just an issue of ideology
0:14:05 or belief
0:14:06 the issue is also an issue of attitude
0:14:10 what made the civil rights movement so
0:14:12 successful was not just the arguments
0:14:14 that
0:14:15 black people were making say for example
0:14:16 in the 1960s
0:14:19 it was the spirit that they came with
0:14:20 the attitude that they came with
0:14:22 the confidence that they came with
0:14:25 if they had placid and docile and timid
0:14:28 and weak attitudes and their temperament
0:14:31 wasn't fit for purpose the civil rights
0:14:33 movement wouldn't be what it is
0:14:36 no change would have been made
0:14:38 if they had shaken hands with the wrong
0:14:40 people or tried to take protection and
0:14:42 seek shelter from individuals who in
0:14:45 their reality don't want the best for
0:14:47 the for their own communities
0:14:49 it wouldn't have been as successful as
0:14:50 it is he tell you and all of us
0:14:54 that these people are the sheep
0:14:56 or the wolves in sheep sheep's clothing
0:15:00 and he would tell us
0:15:02 if you take inspiration from him
0:15:06 to seek self-sufficiency
0:15:09 after
0:15:10 allah
0:15:12 so this is my final advice
0:15:15 my final advice to you guys
0:15:17 is don't just change your approach which
0:15:20 of course you do need to change
0:15:23 you need to be more polemical forthright
0:15:25 you need to put your position forward
0:15:28 put them on the back foot
0:15:30 but not just that change your attitudes
0:15:33 because if you don't start
0:15:35 having a confident attitude to these
0:15:38 issues
0:15:40 our people will suffer
0:15:43 our people will suffer
0:15:45 more than they have already suffered
0:15:51 your brothers and sisters in islam net
0:15:53 from norway are establishing a masjid a
0:15:56 dhawa center
0:15:57 this center this masjid this educational
0:16:00 institution will act like a beacon of
0:16:03 light calling the muslims in norway back
0:16:06 to the essence of islam so give
0:16:08 generously and allah will give you even
0:16:11 more
0:16:24 you