Response to Jordan Peterson and Ayaan Hirsi Ali interview (2021-02-25) #

0:00:00 any time there was a proposition
0:00:03 to yes impose the values of liberal
0:00:06 societies
0:00:07 on the incoming minorities this is
0:00:10 probably the most shocking bit
0:00:12 of the entire interview she talks
0:00:15 candidly
0:00:16 and audaciously about imposing
0:00:20 western values on immigrant populations
0:00:23 that is one side of the story but
0:00:25 there's also another side of the story
0:00:27 there's two sides of the story when you
0:00:29 when jordan peterson talks about slavery
0:00:31 and segregation racism in the west
0:00:32 but she doesn't offer the same
0:00:34 charitable interpretations of two sides
0:00:36 of the story when she's talking about
0:00:37 the muslim world
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0:00:54 how are you guys doing this is a video
0:00:58 of review a review of an interview that
0:01:01 recently took place between iron hersey
0:01:03 ali and jordan peterson
0:01:05 now before i indulge in the foxy norse
0:01:07 in the hilly pulification
0:01:10 of the counter factual and inoperative
0:01:13 quantifications
0:01:14 of iron hersey ali i would like to
0:01:17 stress one point
0:01:19 that both individuals are not
0:01:22 specialists in islam or muslims they are
0:01:25 really not
0:01:27 academically qualified or trained to
0:01:30 deal with these matters
0:01:31 and it would have been clever had both
0:01:33 of those individuals taking a page out
0:01:35 of
0:01:36 wittgenstein's book tractus
0:01:39 where he mentions whereof
0:01:43 whereof one cannot speak thereof
0:01:46 one must remain silent but despite the
0:01:49 fact that jordan peterson
0:01:52 consistently mentions his own ignorance
0:01:55 on the topic of islam and muslims
0:01:57 he continuously and persistently
0:02:01 calls people who are ultra crepitarian
0:02:04 and who have no formal qualifications of
0:02:07 islam
0:02:07 except for a claim that they once
0:02:09 belonged to the body of muslims
0:02:11 to speak on his podcasts as if they have
0:02:14 some kind of
0:02:16 academic insight to offer what we will
0:02:18 realize with this review instead
0:02:21 is that there is no academic insight to
0:02:24 offer
0:02:26 let's start with exactly the method
0:02:29 that we're talking about in this case is
0:02:31 the social scientific method
0:02:33 but before we do so let's recognize the
0:02:35 argument that's been
0:02:37 made here by iron hersey alley that
0:02:39 there is a correlation
0:02:40 a strong positive correlation between
0:02:44 immigration
0:02:45 and sexual violence to women in
0:02:48 particular
0:02:49 this among many other problems that
0:02:51 you'll find with immigration
0:02:52 and what kind of immigration it's muslim
0:02:56 immigration in particular so
0:03:00 the first thing that needs to be
0:03:01 questioned is is iron hersey ali
0:03:05 going to provide us with scientific or
0:03:07 statistical data such that we may
0:03:10 look at it with an academic eye or is
0:03:13 she
0:03:13 going to be anecdotal from beginning to
0:03:17 end
0:03:18 unfortunately what we find with this
0:03:20 interview
0:03:21 is that there is absolutely no semblance
0:03:26 no semblance of academic rigour and in
0:03:29 fact the entirety of the interview
0:03:31 is a reference to anecdotal information
0:03:35 with the limitation of one case study
0:03:38 hercy herself talking about her own
0:03:41 story
0:03:42 which peterson thinks she's so heroic
0:03:46 for having gone through these
0:03:48 experiences
0:03:50 but jordan peterson asks hersey a
0:03:52 question
0:03:53 he asks he actually says i'm triggered
0:03:56 as a social scientist
0:03:58 because there's many issues i mean you
0:04:00 do say right off the bat
0:04:02 uh this is a trigger warning for the
0:04:05 entire book
0:04:06 reading it you should be triggered well
0:04:08 i would say i was triggered by reading
0:04:10 it i was triggered partly
0:04:12 as a social scientist i would say to
0:04:14 begin with and he mentions
0:04:16 of the issues in question is the fact
0:04:19 that how do you define
0:04:20 sexual violence against women let's take
0:04:23 a look at what he says
0:04:24 how do you define sexual assault for
0:04:27 example
0:04:28 now you could define it as the
0:04:32 if you define it by the most severe
0:04:35 crimes let's say
0:04:37 rape then you miss
0:04:40 all the data that might be obtained when
0:04:42 you
0:04:43 consider all the other forms of sexual
0:04:46 misbehavior
0:04:47 now this problem is real because in
0:04:49 second wave feminist
0:04:51 kind of academic literature you'll find
0:04:54 extremes
0:04:56 you'll find extremes like for example
0:04:58 mckinnon catherine mckinnon
0:05:00 who says that sexual intercourse
0:05:03 is a form of rape actually
0:05:07 even if if the person consents this is
0:05:09 in western academic literature
0:05:11 i know um jordan peterson has had
0:05:15 warrell farin on his uh podcast in the
0:05:18 in the past
0:05:19 and he's been critical of these
0:05:20 approaches and world farron himself
0:05:22 mentions in the myth of male power
0:05:24 these ridiculous notions of definitions
0:05:28 relating to sexual violence
0:05:30 hersey ali doesn't recognize the issue
0:05:32 here with definitions
0:05:34 and she doesn't realize because there is
0:05:36 no uniform generalizable
0:05:38 robust definition that everybody agrees
0:05:41 with in relation to this
0:05:44 violence against women such that
0:05:46 comparisons can be made cross-culturally
0:05:48 or even within the same
0:05:50 location so she starts talking once
0:05:53 again about
0:05:53 anecdotes but jordan peterson comes back
0:05:57 again and asks her some more
0:05:58 interrogatory questions
0:05:59 what's really interesting is that at
0:06:01 minute 12
0:06:03 second 38 iron hersey
0:06:06 candidly admits that she has she does
0:06:08 not start with statistics let's see what
0:06:10 she has to say
0:06:10 and so i don't start fast with
0:06:13 statistics so i i you know i really want
0:06:15 i'm not a social scientist
0:06:17 and now that's ridiculous
0:06:21 not the fact that she's not a social
0:06:22 scientist but the fact that you're
0:06:24 conducting a study
0:06:26 which is a social science
0:06:29 study and you're admitting that you have
0:06:32 no qualification no expertise
0:06:34 no training no ability
0:06:37 to act as a social scientist now this is
0:06:40 analogous to someone going to a doctor
0:06:43 asking for a prescription and then the
0:06:45 doctor turned around says
0:06:46 you know i'm i don't start with
0:06:48 prescriptions because i'm not a doctor
0:06:50 it would not be acceptable in any other
0:06:52 field
0:06:54 so why is it possible that she can be
0:06:56 treated as an academic and a social
0:06:58 scientist
0:06:59 when in fact she admits to the fact that
0:07:01 she is an ultra crack badarian
0:07:05 why is it possible that she can continue
0:07:07 this and that there is not a
0:07:09 push from peterson as we've seen with
0:07:13 him and kathy newham for example on
0:07:15 channel 4
0:07:16 a debate well known debate the same push
0:07:19 that he has with other second wave
0:07:21 feminists where he
0:07:22 completely dismantles their duelist
0:07:25 narratives we don't find here
0:07:27 there's an acquiescence here and i think
0:07:30 the reason is this
0:07:31 if iron hersey ali was kathy newman he
0:07:34 would have eaten her for breakfast in
0:07:36 that interview
0:07:36 but you're exercising your freedom of
0:07:38 speech to certainly risk offending me
0:07:41 and that's fine i think more power to
0:07:43 you as far as i'm concerned
0:07:45 except you haven't sat there and
0:07:49 i'm sorry i'm just trying to work that
0:07:50 out i mean
0:07:54 gotcha you have got me but he acquiesces
0:07:57 to her
0:07:59 lack of rigor and sophistication
0:08:01 academic sophistication
0:08:03 because she exists with him in the same
0:08:05 anti-muslim
0:08:06 echo chamber and that's the reality and
0:08:10 he knows it
0:08:11 when was the last time that jordan
0:08:13 peterson has ever
0:08:14 in his entirety of his career
0:08:17 professional career
0:08:18 invited a traditionalist muslim
0:08:21 of and there are many of them there are
0:08:23 many of us to come and discuss with him
0:08:25 the matters that he's discussing
0:08:28 why only the unsympathetic to muslims
0:08:30 why
0:08:31 even though they come with the most
0:08:32 ridiculous anecdotal evidence
0:08:34 to make generalizable case or
0:08:36 generalizable
0:08:39 on uh entirety of a population which is
0:08:41 the muslim population in the west
0:08:43 why so this is something that she
0:08:46 you should be really thinking about for
0:08:48 instance my husband saying
0:08:50 the argument will no it won't go
0:08:52 anywhere because you will not be
0:08:54 able to get the statistics once again
0:08:56 she says i don't have the data
0:08:59 and he once again is the softball
0:09:01 approach
0:09:03 not a pushing not attacking
0:09:06 because she's not from the left because
0:09:09 she's not a white
0:09:10 second wave feminist woman from the left
0:09:12 that's why he's dealing with her in that
0:09:13 way
0:09:14 and because she has this bias against
0:09:16 islam and she echoes a lot of
0:09:17 their sentiments again the right wing
0:09:20 let's be
0:09:21 honest alt right-wing sentiments that's
0:09:24 why he's being taken easy with her
0:09:26 even though she is telling him i don't
0:09:28 have any data
0:09:29 he should have said if you don't have
0:09:30 any data you don't have any case
0:09:33 that's what you should have said full
0:09:35 stop her books are littered
0:09:37 with anecdotal information which even
0:09:39 that
0:09:40 is questionable and you can see in the
0:09:42 other refutation i've done on her
0:09:44 even that is questionable and has been
0:09:45 fact checked and she has been proven to
0:09:47 be
0:09:47 a malignant liar on all of these issues
0:09:51 victims and perpetrators of violent
0:09:53 crimes about 50 percent of them are
0:09:55 alcohol intoxicated it's a massive
0:09:57 contributor to
0:09:58 to violence of all types domestic
0:10:00 violence every type of violence
0:10:02 at minute 28 he starts talking about
0:10:04 other factors one of which is alcohol
0:10:06 something which is a prohibition in
0:10:08 islam
0:10:09 and she can see the discomfort in the
0:10:11 face of iron hersey because now it's
0:10:12 moving away from
0:10:14 anti-islamic attack to almost seemingly
0:10:18 a pseudo pro-islamic stance because
0:10:20 islam is the only
0:10:21 major world religion which bans alcohol
0:10:24 and he talks about alcohol being
0:10:26 in his his words 50 or more
0:10:29 the reason why a lot of these
0:10:32 attacks happen against women she tries
0:10:34 to sidestep that and move it back to an
0:10:36 anti-islamic case
0:10:37 but she is losing sophistication she
0:10:39 unnuances the discussion
0:10:41 and she's just trying to squeeze in she
0:10:44 is desperately trying to squeeze
0:10:46 in an anti-islamic narrative at
0:10:49 every single turn
0:10:52 but jordan peterson does not care
0:10:55 because jordan peterson is happy to
0:10:56 acquiesce with that
0:10:58 and jordan peterson is happy to have
0:11:00 these unsympathetic muslim
0:11:02 anti-muslim people on his show like uh
0:11:05 gad zad
0:11:06 or whatever his name is and her uh
0:11:08 hersey ali and
0:11:10 sam harris you all quite frankly you
0:11:12 have one thing in common which is
0:11:14 you echo the same nonsense when it comes
0:11:18 to islam and you are afraid
0:11:20 you are afraid to come out of your echo
0:11:22 chambers you are afraid
0:11:24 this is probably the most shocking bit
0:11:26 of the entire interview
0:11:28 she talks candidly
0:11:32 and audaciously about imposing
0:11:37 western values on immigrant populations
0:11:40 at any time
0:11:42 there was a proposition to yes impose
0:11:45 the values of liberal societies on the
0:11:48 incoming minorities there would be an
0:11:51 opposition to that this still
0:11:53 is an opposition to that now imagine me
0:11:56 saying the same
0:11:57 thing about islam let's impose
0:12:01 islam upon if i was speaking in a
0:12:03 context where islam was a
0:12:05 majority or the dominant ethic and we're
0:12:07 talking about immigrants to muslim lands
0:12:09 i say exactly the same thing
0:12:11 i'll be labeled a fascist an
0:12:13 authoritarian
0:12:15 impose the islamic values on oncoming
0:12:19 non-muslim populations imagine i said
0:12:21 that in in relation to
0:12:22 non-muslim immigrants in the muslim land
0:12:25 everyone would say this is
0:12:26 uh brutal authoritarianism and fascism
0:12:30 but the man who seems to be or
0:12:33 he's putting himself out to be
0:12:37 a figure an emblem for free speech and
0:12:40 expression and liberalism in the west
0:12:43 jordan peterson instead of having the
0:12:45 courage
0:12:47 to challenge iron hersey ali
0:12:50 on this very statement he
0:12:53 acquiesces and moves on and in fact
0:12:56 seems to even agree with the sentiment
0:13:00 which which baffles me to the point of
0:13:03 asking this question
0:13:04 to what extent can liberalism
0:13:08 ostensibly an ideology
0:13:12 of tolerance tolerate anything other
0:13:15 than itself
0:13:19 and you have jordan peterson who is
0:13:21 meant to be the bastion of sp
0:13:23 free speech and freedom of expression
0:13:27 who is acquiescing to this once again
0:13:29 because of his cognitive
0:13:31 bias towards islam and muslim instead of
0:13:34 challenging her on this
0:13:37 in fact jordan peterson
0:13:41 speaks of immigration
0:13:44 in this kind of language he says the
0:13:47 simplest explanation could well be that
0:13:49 canada's geographical
0:13:51 position has protected it against
0:13:54 many of the events or shielded us
0:13:56 against many of the events that have
0:13:57 made immigration such a contentious
0:13:59 issue
0:13:59 as if immigrants are some kind of threat
0:14:02 some extraneous threat that require
0:14:05 shielding from
0:14:07 in that they're coming with these new
0:14:08 ideas and cultures
0:14:10 that are going to undermine your
0:14:13 cultures
0:14:14 you're scared you're scared of anyone
0:14:16 challenging the dominant ethic
0:14:19 you need to be shielded from it that is
0:14:21 what i see
0:14:22 from your from the parlance from the
0:14:25 language that you are using
0:14:27 i think we and and how would you address
0:14:30 when you're criticized for being
0:14:32 a neo-colonist let's say peterson seems
0:14:35 to actually even agree with this
0:14:37 imposition narrative
0:14:39 by playing devil's advocate and
0:14:42 saying well some may accuse us of being
0:14:45 neo-colonists
0:14:46 peterson is not only acquiescing with
0:14:50 hercy but he seems to agree with her on
0:14:52 this narrative
0:14:54 and it's only at minute 53
0:14:57 second 45 where he has the conversation
0:15:00 that he needs to have or he asked the
0:15:02 question which he needs to have
0:15:03 we should should we assume the primacy
0:15:05 of values
0:15:07 no we shouldn't assume the primacy of
0:15:09 values let's take a look at what he has
0:15:10 to say
0:15:11 don't do you think that there is a
0:15:13 danger in
0:15:14 in the western assertion of primacy of
0:15:17 value for example and
0:15:18 is is that such a danger that it
0:15:20 mitigates against
0:15:22 any attempts to assimilate immigrants
0:15:24 for example
0:15:25 how can you assume the primacy of values
0:15:28 without
0:15:28 having an epistemological basis for
0:15:31 doing so
0:15:32 without arguing it for from it from
0:15:35 first principles
0:15:36 so what you're saying effectively is
0:15:37 this immigrants have to come in
0:15:39 we should assume the primacy of our
0:15:41 values over theirs and we should impose
0:15:43 it on them
0:15:44 without even trying to argue with them
0:15:46 in rational ways
0:15:48 for them to believe in what we believe
0:15:50 this to me
0:15:52 is the biggest indication of a failure
0:15:55 of values
0:15:56 what kind of values are these this is
0:15:58 exactly the
0:15:59 this is exactly the colonial approach
0:16:01 and yes you will be criticized of that
0:16:03 and you know why
0:16:04 and then she starts talking about the
0:16:05 prevalence of sexually transmitted
0:16:07 disease at minute 56
0:16:09 unwanted diseases unwanted babies rapes
0:16:12 and sexual violence
0:16:13 all of that in western societies seem to
0:16:16 be really
0:16:16 different as if there's kind of this
0:16:18 western
0:16:20 kind of exclusivity no there's no such
0:16:22 thing and she hasn't offered us any data
0:16:24 and what sexually transmitted diseases
0:16:26 she's talking about and comparative to
0:16:28 what
0:16:28 so once again she's just she does not
0:16:30 have any facts in front of her she's
0:16:31 just
0:16:32 ready to spill over her she's ready to
0:16:34 speak about her anecdotes but she
0:16:36 doesn't really have any facts to talk
0:16:37 about
0:16:38 so you contrast
0:16:42 an islamic attitude towards women with a
0:16:44 western attitude towards women
0:16:46 now what she doesn't want to get into is
0:16:48 a theological discussion because she has
0:16:49 no knowledge on this topic
0:16:51 so when it comes to comparison now it's
0:16:53 going to be quite complicated because
0:16:55 which kind of islam are we talking about
0:16:56 which kind of judo christianity we're
0:16:57 talking about
0:16:58 is judaism similar or i mean judaism has
0:17:00 a has a system of
0:17:02 ethics or a law system which is similar
0:17:04 to sharia and islam
0:17:06 christianity doesn't have that there are
0:17:07 nuances that need to be discussed and
0:17:09 fleshed out
0:17:10 nuances that actually ayan hershey ali
0:17:12 will not have no business
0:17:14 and has no expertise in being able to
0:17:15 answer this question so she diverts this
0:17:17 question
0:17:18 she's good for nothing really quite
0:17:19 frankly in this conversation she diverts
0:17:21 this question and starts talking about
0:17:22 other things
0:17:24 they they like the gadgets and the
0:17:26 nuclear weapons
0:17:27 and that sort of modern stuff that
0:17:31 makes them feel dominant it's just the
0:17:34 kind of way she speaks
0:17:35 she says that the only uh the muslims as
0:17:37 if we're one monolith
0:17:38 there's not x amount of countries that
0:17:40 are muslim countries that one quarter of
0:17:42 the world's population or whatever it
0:17:43 may be according to pew
0:17:45 we're one monolith one uh block
0:17:48 and she says yeah these muslims are only
0:17:49 they only like uh
0:17:51 techno advancements and so on when it
0:17:53 relates to nuclear weapons and
0:17:56 other gadgets like that nuclear weapons
0:17:58 so she's trying to kind of create
0:17:59 associative
0:18:00 uh links between muslims and nuclear
0:18:04 weapons
0:18:05 well the only ones who have detonated
0:18:06 nuclear weapons are the united states of
0:18:08 america they have the most nuclear
0:18:09 weapons what are you talking about
0:18:10 there's only one muslim country with
0:18:11 nuclear weapons
0:18:13 which is pakistan so what on earth are
0:18:15 you talking about we only like nuclear
0:18:16 weapons it seems like you're
0:18:17 you're projecting your own insecurities
0:18:20 your own western insecurities onto us
0:18:22 what are you talking about bring some
0:18:23 facts or be quiet and go home
0:18:25 with all due respect you have nothing to
0:18:26 add you have nothing to add
0:18:29 that is one side of the story but
0:18:30 there's also another side of the story
0:18:33 there's two sides of the story when you
0:18:34 when jordan peterson talks about slavery
0:18:36 and segregation racism in the west she
0:18:38 goes there's two sides of the story you
0:18:39 know this
0:18:40 but she doesn't offer the same
0:18:41 charitable interpretations of two sides
0:18:43 of the story
0:18:44 when she talk about the muslim world so
0:18:46 why is there only two sides of the story
0:18:48 with the west and there's no two sides
0:18:49 of the story anywhere else
0:18:51 see this should show any sincere person
0:18:55 quite frankly any sincere person who's
0:18:57 looking for the truth that these people
0:18:59 are just
0:18:59 quite frankly stuck in their echo
0:19:01 chamber they make it seem like they're
0:19:03 academics and they open mind and they
0:19:04 love free speech
0:19:05 but honestly they don't because they
0:19:07 don't platform people that have
0:19:09 uh diametrically opposed on some issues
0:19:12 opinions to them they don't give people
0:19:15 who support
0:19:17 what they're opposed to in equal footing
0:19:19 and they don't give
0:19:20 us they will they will not and they will
0:19:22 not give us an opportunity to discuss
0:19:25 these
0:19:25 matters with them and quite frankly
0:19:26 listen before i would have been quite
0:19:28 happy to go on jordan peterson's
0:19:30 program and so on but now that i've seen
0:19:33 that he's talking about imposing values
0:19:35 on us
0:19:35 and we're talking about like cattle
0:19:37 whereas animals that need to have
0:19:39 values imposed upon us and so on there
0:19:41 are parents
0:19:42 and we are the children the muslim
0:19:43 children who need to be taught parental
0:19:45 agent
0:19:46 we need to be infantilized
0:19:49 by the western white man and his project
0:19:53 yes we the muslims need to come in and
0:19:54 be infantilized by them
0:19:56 to be honest unless jordan peterson or
0:19:59 anyone like him
0:20:00 wants to give us equal footing and see
0:20:03 us as equal people
0:20:04 not some infants that he can impose his
0:20:06 values on and he's going to speak us
0:20:07 with snobbery and arrogance he's going
0:20:10 to arrogate his
0:20:12 views upon us we don't even have a
0:20:13 conversation with them unless
0:20:15 they can guarantee that look we see you
0:20:16 as equals in this conversation and so on
0:20:19 we're not begging you to go on your
0:20:20 platform quite frankly we're not
0:20:22 begging this some people are gonna say
0:20:24 oh you did this to try and make a noise
0:20:26 so you can go on his platform no
0:20:27 to be honest i don't care i've got my
0:20:28 own platform i've got my own platform
0:20:31 i'm saying what i need to say if he
0:20:32 wants to speak to me he can with all due
0:20:34 respect
0:20:35 there are things that i know he doesn't
0:20:36 know there are things i'm trained on
0:20:38 that he's not trained on
0:20:39 and yes we can help him out in his
0:20:41 ignorance with islam
0:20:43 and that's how we're putting it but i'm
0:20:45 not going to come and beg him or
0:20:47 please come on my platform you know what
0:20:48 i offer it to you but if you want to
0:20:50 infantilize the muslim community and
0:20:52 pose values on them
0:20:53 my friend we don't need you with all
0:20:54 jewish we don't need you or hershey ali
0:20:56 who's an ignoramus who has no
0:20:58 business talk about islam or muslims and
0:20:59 we don't need any of you
0:21:01 in this dark web fraternity that you
0:21:04 have
0:21:04 of anti-muslim apologists who cannot
0:21:07 summon the courage and bravery to speak
0:21:10 to somebody on the other side
0:21:12 but already this is on the public record
0:21:14 and my guess is gonna get
0:21:16 hundreds of thousands of views and even
0:21:19 if it gets a hundred thousand views
0:21:20 it'll be enough
0:21:22 it'll be enough to counter the damage
0:21:24 that you've done and no longer
0:21:26 are we gonna just sit there on the
0:21:27 sidelines waiting for you and your
0:21:29 friends
0:21:30 yeah to talk about us as if you know who
0:21:32 we are and what we believe in
0:21:34 you don't so to be honest after i've
0:21:35 seen this interview
0:21:37 i mean before we were kind of not sure
0:21:40 where you stand jordan peterson
0:21:42 we're not sure where you stand whether
0:21:43 you were sincerely a person who was
0:21:46 looking for truth
0:21:47 and didn't care where it came from to a
0:21:50 person who
0:21:51 just has quite frankly people that are
0:21:53 anti-islamic apologists
0:21:56 and academics who are unsympathetic to
0:21:58 islam
0:21:59 like sam harris like godzad like
0:22:02 ayan hersey ali and like majid nawaz who
0:22:05 still calls himself a muslim but the
0:22:06 traditious muslim community do not
0:22:08 accept him you only have those people on
0:22:13 and you only speak to those people by
0:22:14 islam
0:22:16 so and not only that you acquiesce to
0:22:18 their nonsense
0:22:19 where we know you have the tools in your
0:22:22 arsenal to be able to
0:22:24 unpack what they believe in so here's
0:22:27 what i say to you jordan peterson
0:22:29 if you want to engage with someone who
0:22:30 does not agree with your paradigm and
0:22:32 world view
0:22:33 we're here we're here we can have those
0:22:35 discussions don't be
0:22:37 afraid don't be scared we're here we can
0:22:39 have those discussions
0:22:40 but what we won't accept quite frankly
0:22:42 is an infantilizing and arrogating
0:22:45 and self-congratulating narcissistic
0:22:48 type of
0:22:49 colonial yes neo-colonial attitude where
0:22:51 you're saying we're going to impose our
0:22:53 views on these
0:22:54 immigrants coming in and we believe in
0:22:56 primacy of values
0:22:57 or we're questioning whether we believe
0:22:58 in primacy or values or not
0:23:00 and we're going to impose those views
0:23:02 and yes that's something where
0:23:04 that is the the plan even though we
0:23:06 don't have data as we've seen
0:23:08 with diane hersey ali we don't have data
0:23:10 to support that actually
0:23:12 the allegations that are being made and
0:23:14 that's what they are
0:23:15 their sociological allegations about the
0:23:17 muslim community right
0:23:18 are in any way linked to islam as a
0:23:21 religion
0:23:22 or the muslim community as a people
0:23:25 so if you want to have a conversation
0:23:28 which is fruitful
0:23:29 with people within the muslim community
0:23:31 we are here at your service
0:23:33 but if you continue trying to evade
0:23:35 those conversations with all due respect
0:23:37 it is a kind of academic cowardice and
0:23:40 you can continue
0:23:42 doing these sly things and saying i'm
0:23:44 ignorant about islam but bring on all
0:23:46 the anti-islamic
0:23:47 apologists and people that are
0:23:48 anti-islamic to your show
0:23:51 we're not fools we know what's going on
0:23:53 and
0:23:54 the offer is there the offer is there
0:23:57 all you have to do is send me an email
0:23:59 with your name on the title and i'll
0:24:01 respond to it