Reacting to BBC Reporter Interrogating Hijabi (2021-02-10) #

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0:00:14 i would like to thank you for your
0:00:15 recent reputation
0:00:16 of what was that woman called han
0:00:20 yeah if you guys haven't watched it guys
0:00:21 please go there i think it was the best
0:00:22 reputation
0:00:23 down in history uh it was it was
0:00:26 absolutely epic
0:00:26 with new words but today it's something
0:00:29 a bit different there's a bit of a
0:00:30 controversial topic that's been
0:00:31 happening um now we've been discussing
0:00:33 how we can tackle this i'm going to come
0:00:35 from different
0:00:35 um venues should i say jungles angles
0:00:39 yes so hijab are you ready let's get
0:00:41 straight into it because i think we
0:00:42 waste a lot of time you know talking
0:00:43 sometimes unnecessarily no problem yeah
0:00:44 okay let's get straight into it yeah so
0:00:46 this was a baby
0:00:46 baby bbc interview yeah woman's hour
0:00:49 yeah
0:00:50 isn't it ironic woman's hour but look
0:00:52 what she does to a sister a muslim woman
0:00:57 how many uh female imams are there
0:01:00 um in the uk at the moment just because
0:01:03 i presume we
0:01:04 will get to this more but representing
0:01:06 of course women
0:01:07 uh which he will do as part of this how
0:01:10 many do we have in britain
0:01:12 i mean i think let's give quick context
0:01:13 this is the reason um
0:01:16 she's um the the lead not leader man
0:01:20 of the muslim council of britain yeah is
0:01:22 it she's the new
0:01:23 if i'm not mistaken yeah she's she's the
0:01:26 head like she's the
0:01:27 director now with the muslim council of
0:01:29 britain yeah okay yeah so
0:01:31 just imagine you have just been like
0:01:32 awarded something yeah you're a champion
0:01:34 yeah imagine
0:01:35 yeah you've done something and this is
0:01:37 how you've been treated
0:01:38 again i'm not i don't have a clue on
0:01:40 these numbers because my role is making
0:01:43 sure that
0:01:44 we include our affiliates particularly
0:01:46 women in the work that we are doing and
0:01:48 making sure that
0:01:49 um where our structures as well as the
0:01:52 work we do
0:01:53 and are truly representative so i think
0:01:55 that you know do we sorry
0:01:57 you don't know that's fine if you don't
0:01:58 know but do do we have female imams in
0:02:01 this country
0:02:02 i mean again it's not are you referring
0:02:05 to
0:02:05 chaplains are you referring to women
0:02:07 that lead the prayer what are you
0:02:08 referring to and i think
0:02:09 you tell me i i'm genuinely intrigued to
0:02:12 know of course uh female priests have
0:02:14 been around for some time
0:02:15 uh we've also seen the the advent of
0:02:17 female rabbis in this country
0:02:19 what is the picture for women leading
0:02:22 prayer in britain
0:02:23 in in muslim communities well i think
0:02:27 my role isn't really to um adjudicate or
0:02:30 to to examine that part of spirituality
0:02:34 i think
0:02:34 where women want to make those choices
0:02:37 and where you know
0:02:38 that these are all religious discussions
0:02:40 oh no no of course
0:02:42 it was just i thought because the muslim
0:02:43 council of britain's played such an
0:02:44 important role
0:02:45 in getting the number of muslims for
0:02:47 instance added to the census i mean that
0:02:49 was done at the turn of
0:02:50 of the turn of the century so we
0:02:51 actually knew how many muslims there
0:02:52 were
0:02:53 do we so do we have female imams i think
0:02:56 what's really important for the muslim
0:02:58 council in britain and the work that we
0:02:59 do is
0:03:00 actually that it's not about defining
0:03:02 you know or going into
0:03:04 the these types of questions regarding
0:03:06 spirituality but actually looking at
0:03:08 how we can benefit our communities
0:03:09 especially given the pandemic and given
0:03:11 of course the role that everybody needs
0:03:13 to be playing and we will get to
0:03:15 we will get to pandemic it's just quite
0:03:16 striking that you can't sort of answer
0:03:18 that question i recognize it's not a
0:03:20 religious or spiritual
0:03:22 role exactly i don't feel like that's
0:03:23 within the parameters
0:03:25 of my roles and responsibilities
0:03:27 especially as you know
0:03:28 the first elected female representative
0:03:35 how do you feel watching that you know
0:03:36 it's it's it's like you're having a you
0:03:37 know it was more like not interviewing
0:03:39 somebody was like having an interlocutor
0:03:41 and like like if i was speaking to an
0:03:43 atheist i would be hammering the
0:03:44 contingency argument over and over and
0:03:45 over and over again because i'm trying
0:03:47 to catch him
0:03:49 she's just you know become the chairman
0:03:52 chairwoman
0:03:52 of a muslim council yeah
0:03:56 and instead of congratulating asking
0:03:58 what she's planning on doing
0:04:00 well she was no mercy she was a no do
0:04:02 you know you don't know okay so there
0:04:04 isn't no
0:04:04 over and over six instances while
0:04:07 watching that
0:04:08 how do you feel i think there was many
0:04:10 fallacies that were committed in that
0:04:12 line of interrogation so the first thing
0:04:14 that i i think was fallacious
0:04:15 was the false equivalency uh between
0:04:18 imams and priests and rabbis
0:04:20 is false comparison because yeah so in
0:04:23 in christianity
0:04:24 you have ordinance that they go through
0:04:26 a kind of training program then they
0:04:27 become
0:04:28 either priests or whatever it is
0:04:30 depending on the dominant denomination
0:04:32 uh in judaism we have rabbis but those
0:04:34 individuals rabbis
0:04:36 and priests are usually trained they're
0:04:39 usually individuals who have
0:04:40 authority in the community so the
0:04:42 equivalent in a muslim community
0:04:43 especially in sunni islam would be
0:04:44 something like a mufti
0:04:46 potentially a sheikh and definitely
0:04:48 something like an islam or a
0:04:49 scholar so an imam is just someone who
0:04:53 leads the prayer
0:04:54 now you can have no authority like for
0:04:56 example in ramadan
0:04:58 um you have children leading the prayer
0:05:01 if if you have in a house
0:05:02 a mother and a child that's a male it's
0:05:05 very
0:05:06 possible that the the the boy leads the
0:05:09 mother in in
0:05:10 prayer even though she's much more
0:05:11 important in the hierarchy right
0:05:13 so this uh the reason why it's it's a
0:05:16 wrong question
0:05:17 in the first place or it's a false
0:05:18 equivalence is because you're comparing
0:05:20 apples and oranges
0:05:21 if you want to compare priests with a
0:05:24 group of
0:05:25 uh representatives from the muslim world
0:05:27 you should compare them with muftis et
0:05:28 cetera
0:05:29 having said that though yeah if we did
0:05:32 do that
0:05:33 i don't know about the comparison it's
0:05:34 actually quite an interesting question
0:05:35 definitely there are
0:05:36 female mufti's definitely there are
0:05:37 female aliens definitely they are
0:05:40 uh muslim but in terms of
0:05:44 proportion i don't know what i will say
0:05:45 is this before i forget
0:05:48 is that in the span of a thousand four
0:05:49 hundred years of islamic history
0:05:51 right there have been hundreds of
0:05:53 thousands of not just
0:05:55 scholars of islam that are female but
0:05:57 we're talking about prominent scholars
0:05:58 who have had
0:05:59 a lasting contribution and i'll just
0:06:01 give you one reference for that
0:06:03 dr muhammad has written a book his
0:06:06 voluminous
0:06:08 many different volumes on it's called
0:06:11 okay so it's just actually one subfield
0:06:13 called
0:06:14 hadith which is transmission and
0:06:16 teaching of hadith
0:06:17 and he catalogues in that ten thousand
0:06:20 women
0:06:21 ten thousand women in islamic history
0:06:22 okay now if you compare that like for
0:06:24 like
0:06:24 with ten thousand what women well
0:06:26 they're just women they're just exist
0:06:28 scholars scholars of just one tradition
0:06:30 one subfield which is hadith so
0:06:32 transmission of um
0:06:33 the prophetic tradition okay and in that
0:06:36 for example
0:06:37 some of the things i found were really
0:06:38 astonishing for example
0:06:43 because these are quite popular in the
0:06:46 jar of the seventh century not the one
0:06:47 the humbly that wrote
0:06:49 that another one uh
0:06:53 he had according to a tha in his uh
0:06:56 biography
0:06:56 400 female teachers now i want you to
0:07:00 imagine we're talking about the seventh
0:07:01 century
0:07:02 we're not we're not being tokenistic
0:07:03 here mentioning you know the sahaba yet
0:07:05 or the female scholars
0:07:06 that were there at the time of the
0:07:07 prophet we are talking about seventh
0:07:10 century
0:07:10 uh medieval uh arab world and this is a
0:07:14 place
0:07:14 a muslim world and a man had what does
0:07:17 it take for a man to have 400 female
0:07:19 educators it must mean that they're
0:07:20 being educated
0:07:21 and and they are given accessibility to
0:07:24 be able to educate
0:07:25 and this is one of many like thousands
0:07:27 of examples
0:07:28 the point the point is is that now is if
0:07:31 there isn't
0:07:32 a representation of female scholars now
0:07:34 today
0:07:35 in the uk or whatever it is is there a
0:07:38 problem i do think there's a problem i
0:07:39 think there's
0:07:40 something we need to do okay to try and
0:07:42 give more accessibility as was the case
0:07:44 by the way interestingly enough
0:07:46 at the time of a the prophet because he
0:07:48 he definitely
0:07:49 as is mentioned buhari he dedicated
0:07:51 times and places for educating women
0:07:53 specifically so that they don't
0:07:55 miss out and was the case with the fact
0:07:57 that you know the the habits were there
0:07:59 and was the case through islamic history
0:08:00 so i do think there's an issue
0:08:02 i think but the way that she's she's uh
0:08:04 handled that i think is completely wrong
0:08:06 it shows theological illiteracy she
0:08:08 doesn't know the differences between
0:08:10 priests
0:08:11 uh and one thing and so on one thing i
0:08:13 want to just touch upon before moving
0:08:15 into that area because there is like
0:08:16 the mistreatment uh of females
0:08:20 in today's time yes i'll go to that
0:08:23 i thought you would come from this angle
0:08:24 yeah maybe you missed it here but for
0:08:25 example
0:08:27 notice him about who are you to come and
0:08:28 tell us you're going to implement and
0:08:30 let's suppose there is no female imams
0:08:32 so what like like we need to come to
0:08:34 this angle because
0:08:35 we shouldn't be just because next
0:08:36 they're going to come and say to us why
0:08:37 is there no female prophets
0:08:39 yeah a good point so the thing is look
0:08:41 and this is where the sister was kind of
0:08:42 and i understand which is coming from i
0:08:43 can
0:08:44 you know we're in the tower sometimes we
0:08:46 try to you know
0:08:47 sugar down things we shouldn't there are
0:08:49 no female imams our religion doesn't
0:08:50 cover that and what
0:08:52 like the thing is and who are you to
0:08:54 come and tell me that i have to come to
0:08:56 your standards
0:08:57 which by the way is a false equivocation
0:08:58 because you're claiming
0:09:00 because there's no imams means there's
0:09:01 no scholars which you just debunked yeah
0:09:03 but we're saying
0:09:03 like to her world paradigm does she have
0:09:06 any right to come here and tell and
0:09:08 press a muslim woman who is a chairman
0:09:11 of the muslim council of britain
0:09:13 to come and tell her no but why why not
0:09:14 imams why not well she's the same woman
0:09:16 when it came to the issue of rabbis and
0:09:18 i don't know what
0:09:20 what did she say so emma barnett once
0:09:21 admitted she didn't believe in female
0:09:23 rabbis
0:09:24 yeah subhanallah look at hypocrisy yeah
0:09:26 rabbis go go speak to jewish lady and go
0:09:29 go question them that they don't even
0:09:30 have a right to divorce
0:09:31 and i know it's a different topic but
0:09:32 the thing is can you imagine you're just
0:09:33 pressing on the issue and who are you
0:09:35 and we need to have a backbone one like
0:09:36 there's something in the religion that
0:09:37 teaches allah said it
0:09:38 khalas i don't need to explain nothing
0:09:40 to you are you yes yes who are you
0:09:42 allah there's not imams there's look
0:09:43 there are no female imams doesn't
0:09:45 religion enough
0:09:46 to believe that no no not according to
0:09:48 99 one second
0:09:49 just because that is not allowed in
0:09:51 their religion and just because they're
0:09:52 not female prophets
0:09:53 do we see females as any less should
0:09:55 they be um female imams leading
0:09:57 men leading men no living man no but
0:10:00 is it because inferior no of course not
0:10:02 look there are things that women are
0:10:03 entitled to that man
0:10:04 we don't have a second wave feministic
0:10:06 paradigm and and for those who want to
0:10:07 know
0:10:08 what the difference is between the
0:10:09 islamic paradigm and the second wave
0:10:11 feministic paradigm
0:10:13 there are many um lectures that i've
0:10:15 done on this the fundamental flaws of
0:10:16 feminism yeah
0:10:17 uh islam the dark phase of feminism just
0:10:19 put these titles in the
0:10:20 descript in the uh search bar you'll
0:10:22 find my my
0:10:24 lectures there it's a paradigmatic
0:10:26 problem in the sense that
0:10:27 you're now imposing a paradigm on
0:10:29 something else this is another problem
0:10:31 right
0:10:32 obviously here uh in terms there's two
0:10:35 different things that are going on at
0:10:36 the same time number one
0:10:38 female scholars are what are being
0:10:41 discussed here yes
0:10:42 so this this female imam thing is a red
0:10:45 herring yes
0:10:46 would you respect someone praying and
0:10:48 bending because
0:10:49 our prayer has all kinds of positioning
0:10:51 a woman bending over in front of man and
0:10:53 kneeling over and it's seen as
0:10:54 inappropriate from our perspective
0:10:55 because of physiological anatomical
0:10:57 differences
0:10:58 and we think and we have good evidence
0:11:00 that that could
0:11:01 uh disturb somebody okay especially a
0:11:04 man
0:11:04 physiologically if they're praying and
0:11:06 what's the evidence of that look you've
0:11:07 got all female schools and all
0:11:09 male schools in your country why don't
0:11:10 you go and question something go to your
0:11:12 country
0:11:15 why don't you go and question a head
0:11:17 teacher of an all-female school and say
0:11:19 why is it that you allow such uh
0:11:21 discrimination to exist
0:11:22 the reason why they don't uh comment on
0:11:25 that is because they've allowed it as
0:11:26 part of the culture even though
0:11:28 really and truly it's something which
0:11:30 opposes them many ways second wave
0:11:31 feministic discourses
0:11:33 so the reasoning behind it if you ask
0:11:36 those who advocate for it
0:11:37 is distraction physiological
0:11:39 psychological distraction
0:11:40 so a woman or girls in a school together
0:11:42 they'll be less distracted if boys were
0:11:44 there and vice versa
0:11:45 for a man's you know the one the way a
0:11:47 man is created yeah the recently i came
0:11:48 across something on youtube yeah there's
0:11:50 something called schwartz yeah
0:11:51 and he was talking about do you know
0:11:52 this female woman
0:11:55 um hostesses in the airplane yeah
0:11:57 they're closing the door so i thought
0:11:59 like closing the what's like i thought
0:12:00 it's something you know there's
0:12:01 interesting videos there maybe is there
0:12:02 a weather closing door
0:12:03 okay i watch the video then like they
0:12:05 won't dress in a property i wish they
0:12:07 were in a skirt
0:12:07 but then i went to the comments
0:12:23 i didn't notice the door exactly get the
0:12:25 hell out of here no no no no no
0:12:26 they know it women yeah they know it
0:12:29 they they know it and so
0:12:30 this uh equality from an islamic
0:12:33 perspective and there is
0:12:34 we have our own version of equality it's
0:12:36 not identicality
0:12:37 exactly it's not identicality it doesn't
0:12:39 mean that men and women have the same
0:12:40 roles and responsibilities in
0:12:42 all cases and there are for example war
0:12:44 like it's not mandated upon women at the
0:12:46 end of the day and this is a very if you
0:12:48 think about the
0:12:49 the reality of war war is the case of
0:12:52 men okay for the most part in history
0:12:54 not just uh in
0:12:56 islamic history but cross-culturally
0:12:57 yeah going out yeah
0:12:59 and sacrificing their lives or
0:13:00 potentially sacrificing their lives
0:13:02 the point of the matter is someone goes
0:13:04 extremely safe for women
0:13:07 this is this is where second word
0:13:08 feminism kind of breaks down because you
0:13:09 start thinking about why don't you
0:13:10 campaign for the draft
0:13:12 for women to to now be compensated in
0:13:14 similar ways that men have been done
0:13:15 at home you go and keep you going get
0:13:17 your limbs chopped off i can come and
0:13:18 say
0:13:19 why am i going to walk why not exactly
0:13:21 there's lots of things right but
0:13:22 if we fail to identify differences
0:13:25 between men and women
0:13:26 then there's going to be all kinds of
0:13:28 absurdities that one can propose from a
0:13:29 feminist perspective
0:13:31 i can say well there's been there's been
0:13:32 200 years
0:13:34 of men being drafted into wars we need
0:13:36 to we need to
0:13:37 out undo this imbalance yes now we have
0:13:40 to draft women
0:13:41 for the next 11 wars for like 12 wars so
0:13:43 that we can undo the just injustice
0:13:45 the point is once again the islamic
0:13:48 understanding of equality does not mean
0:13:49 identicality so
0:13:50 there's a different paradigm and if you
0:13:52 want to be a sophisticated interlocutor
0:13:54 instead of cross-examining somebody on
0:13:56 your world view and your paradigm
0:13:58 try and understand where they're coming
0:14:00 look i don't know if this woman is an
0:14:01 enemy of islam i don't think
0:14:02 i don't think so i think she's just
0:14:04 trying to do her job really i i do think
0:14:06 because it's part of the journalistic
0:14:07 capacity to try and interrogate well you
0:14:09 have to remember something
0:14:10 you do have to remember something that
0:14:11 when you're speaking to my for let's not
0:14:13 talk about our paradigm let me speak to
0:14:14 the woman for a second
0:14:15 let's talk about your paradigm because
0:14:17 you're a journalist yes
0:14:18 you're a journalist who probably is a
0:14:20 liberal with a small l and is trying to
0:14:22 do the work of journalists but the truth
0:14:23 of the matter is
0:14:25 on your paradigm which i'm guessing is a
0:14:26 liberal feminist paradigm
0:14:28 by your questioning you need to make
0:14:30 sure you need to ensure
0:14:31 that you're protecting the rights of the
0:14:33 minorities and you're not it's because
0:14:35 there's something called tyranny of the
0:14:36 majority
0:14:37 tyranny of the majority is something
0:14:38 which is the the dominant
0:14:43 kind of people verbally otherwise the
0:14:46 minority
0:14:47 and they're tyrannizing them okay so
0:14:49 it's
0:14:50 what needs to be done for me anyways if
0:14:52 i was a liberal if i was in your
0:14:53 paradigm
0:14:54 i'd be trying to amplify the voices of
0:14:57 the minorities
0:14:58 so it can kind of create equilibrium for
0:15:00 what would otherwise be a tyranny of the
0:15:01 majority
0:15:02 which is a liberal principle so it
0:15:04 doesn't seem any it doesn't make sense
0:15:05 for me to
0:15:06 for you to bring a minority someone
0:15:07 who's representing a minority group
0:15:10 or actually a double minority because a
0:15:12 woman leader like you know that there's
0:15:14 not that many of them
0:15:15 yeah generally and only that in the
0:15:17 women's hour yeah
0:15:18 honestly yeah yeah you're getting
0:15:20 another woman it doesn't it doesn't make
0:15:21 sense
0:15:22 one second yeah a feminist yeah women's
0:15:24 hour
0:15:25 bbc liberal you're a woman and you're
0:15:28 getting a woman and degrading and
0:15:30 humiliating her
0:15:31 and you are you are a feminist get the
0:15:32 hell out of here yeah you actually
0:15:34 humiliated them
0:15:35 to an achievement that she's done in
0:15:37 your eyes okay she's become the leader
0:15:38 of the muslim council of britain yeah
0:15:39 yeah
0:15:40 instead of upholding and saying you know
0:15:41 you've done a great achievement what you
0:15:43 have to do
0:15:43 you immediately you embarrassed her you
0:15:46 made the feel like she should never
0:15:47 speak to you you should be ashamed of
0:15:48 yourself yeah so
0:15:49 you basically punished her for being a
0:15:50 woman yes if you think about it
0:15:53 so now now other muslim women go look at
0:15:55 that and think well if just
0:15:57 if this is the entitlement of being a
0:16:00 muslim spokesperson then maybe it's not
0:16:02 something i want to be and allah says
0:16:03 that in the quran what does allah say in
0:16:04 the quran what is allah in the quran
0:16:05 they will never be pleased with you
0:16:08 khalas
0:16:09 never so don't feel the sister feel bad
0:16:11 for the sister because she's thinking
0:16:12 okay how can i
0:16:12 fix this one lie very simple for me
0:16:14 there isn't there isn't our religion
0:16:16 says
0:16:16 what yeah yeah now let's go back to one
0:16:19 point here again
0:16:20 well i want to maybe finish with this
0:16:22 the reason why i found that
0:16:23 the the the line of questioning was
0:16:25 unproductive
0:16:26 not just from the islamic perspective
0:16:28 yeah because we said we've got some
0:16:29 issues that we need to
0:16:30 like let's be honest let's be honest
0:16:32 there are there are messages there are
0:16:34 mosques in this country which don't have
0:16:36 access for women
0:16:37 it's unbelievable i told you and the
0:16:38 prophet said let him
0:16:41 do not do not stop the woman slaves of
0:16:43 allah meaning the woman worshipers
0:16:45 going to the mosques of god how can you
0:16:46 how can you facilitate that
0:16:48 how can you facilitate that when there's
0:16:49 not even a space for them to break
0:16:52 up boycotted is very some cause of this
0:16:54 yeah and the thing is look me i went to
0:16:56 one masjid when i told you yeah and they
0:16:57 said
0:16:58 the uncle didn't let the sister come in
0:16:59 this space while i had to go and do
0:17:01 jamal with a sister outside because it
0:17:03 was the nightclubs
0:17:03 yeah so there are problems there are
0:17:05 problems and we see that and that's
0:17:07 within our own paradigms
0:17:08 access access is limited we need to we
0:17:10 need to help we need to work within our
0:17:12 own paradigm to allow women just like
0:17:14 just like in the medieval period and
0:17:15 just like in the in the time of the
0:17:16 prophet
0:17:17 yeah where access was was was there
0:17:20 right
0:17:21 and as a result women were edified and
0:17:23 they were edifiers
0:17:24 we need to bring that back and there's
0:17:25 no there's no other and we have that
0:17:27 within our own paradigm but it's
0:17:28 unproductive
0:17:29 okay it's unproductive for a woman who
0:17:31 is probably a liberal probably a
0:17:32 feminist
0:17:34 to go down this line of
0:17:37 questioning bullying which was number
0:17:40 one alienate
0:17:41 muslim spokespeople number two show
0:17:44 other women that this is
0:17:45 the intelligent of being a spokesperson
0:17:47 thereby
0:17:48 you know acting as a barrier to entrance
0:17:51 to such a thing
0:17:52 if you're if you're trying to promote
0:17:53 women being in power positions so-called
0:17:55 power positions from your liberal
0:17:57 paradigm
0:17:57 if you're trying to promote that this is
0:17:59 a very bad way of doing so
0:18:01 you should be you should be offering
0:18:02 support and so on so i think from our
0:18:04 paradigm and your paradigm
0:18:06 you've not achieved anything and quite
0:18:08 frankly it shows uh theological
0:18:10 incompetence and illiteracy that you
0:18:12 couldn't even know the difference
0:18:13 between an imam and a priest and a rabbi
0:18:16 and imam is nowhere
0:18:18 yes sometimes imams have pastoral
0:18:20 responsibilities
0:18:21 sometimes they can have that but it's
0:18:22 not that's not a necessary part of their
0:18:24 job sometimes they just go and lead the
0:18:25 prayer
0:18:26 this is this is literally the job
0:18:27 description leading the prayer some
0:18:29 children do this
0:18:30 it's not equivalent and so the question
0:18:32 should have been how many
0:18:34 muslim authorities do you have sheikhs
0:18:36 or sheikha's in this case
0:18:38 or mufti's or so on and compare that
0:18:40 with the rabbi and
0:18:42 if you do that by the way yeah if you do
0:18:43 that across time i will sh i will
0:18:45 promise you i'll bet my bottom dollar
0:18:48 that if you do it from the time of the
0:18:49 prophet
0:18:50 to this time no i'm not talking about
0:18:51 21st century uk
0:18:53 let's let's do a longitudinal study of
0:18:57 of the entire time period there's no way
0:18:59 i'm sorry
0:19:00 there is absolutely no way that you ha
0:19:03 that in the christian tradition and the
0:19:05 jewish tradition there's even i would
0:19:06 even go as far as say one tenth
0:19:07 yes and i'm making this claim yeah one
0:19:09 tenth as much representation
0:19:11 yeah maybe even that if i'm telling you
0:19:12 there's a book with ten
0:19:14 thousand names of by of just one
0:19:16 subfield of islamic studies
0:19:18 you can't even go there you can't even
0:19:19 go there with this we have we have uh
0:19:21 sahabi at that literally preserve the
0:19:23 tradition so
0:19:25 it's the case is closed you didn't know
0:19:27 how to question you didn't know the
0:19:28 implications of the question and you
0:19:29 didn't know what to question
0:19:31 but this is a lesson for all of us that
0:19:33 before you have these interviews on bbc
0:19:36 quite frankly you need to be ready for
0:19:38 that kind of confrontation number one
0:19:39 and number two you know get ready for
0:19:43 the muslim retaliation because we we
0:19:46 shouldn't
0:19:47 we should not allow the media bullies to
0:19:49 to do this to us
0:19:50 yeah we need to have our voices as well
0:19:52 and our sisters and look social media
0:19:54 our outlets like your channel my channel
0:19:56 and
0:19:56 our channels and so on this is becoming
0:19:59 now
0:20:00 a big way of retaliating yeah which is
0:20:03 why you need to subscribe to this
0:20:04 channel and like and share the video
0:20:05 thank you
0:20:08 for my channel oh my god by the way
0:20:12 yeah inshallah bryan sisters it's very
0:20:13 important the reason we did is because
0:20:14 we saw our sister being bullied and i'll
0:20:16 be honest with you i feel like she's
0:20:17 been bullied so share this video with
0:20:18 what's your name emma barrett wherever
0:20:20 nick barnett whoever her name is yeah
0:20:21 okay send this to her okay she needs to
0:20:23 watch this and
0:20:24 re um focus her evaluation re-evaluate
0:20:27 her everything that she's doing yeah she
0:20:29 needs to re-evaluate
0:20:30 because she's totally well she's just
0:20:32 bullied that sister that's a feminist
0:20:33 unbelievable we are so promises please
0:20:35 share that with them uh with the
0:20:36 uh emma inshallah and hopefully she can
0:20:38 fix the ways bbc get this video down and
0:20:40 show this absolute humiliation
0:20:41 embarrassment to your uh standards
0:20:43 whatever you guys are doing until next
0:20:44 time to the snap of the guardians
0:20:46 goodbye