The Quran's Version of the Christmas Story (2022-01-27) #

0:00:00 Music
0:00:28 okay let's go to
0:00:32 ancient books
0:00:35 okay
0:00:39 today i thought because if there's
0:00:41 something interesting i have came across
0:00:44 it really several times in the past
0:00:47 but
0:00:48 never gave it much thorough thought
0:00:51 about it
0:00:54 but recently i decided to go to the
0:00:56 various so-called nativity gospels and
0:00:59 and see what
0:01:03 because
0:01:04 usually you find sometimes a very short
0:01:06 statement in various missionaries and
0:01:09 western scholarship so-called
0:01:10 scholarship in quote unquote about the
0:01:12 quranic version of the nativity and the
0:01:15 birth of christ and so on which is
0:01:17 similar to that what we have narrated
0:01:20 and and there's even there's a claim
0:01:22 there's so called an arabic nativity
0:01:24 gospel which contains most of these
0:01:26 things and most likely muhammad must
0:01:28 have taken that from that
0:01:29 although they they have problem with one
0:01:32 point which uh
0:01:34 let me mention it quickly without going
0:01:35 into much discussion
0:01:37 that the quran insists stubbornly
0:01:41 maria the daughter of imran
0:01:44 and
0:01:45 but all available
0:01:48 texts in the hand of christian
0:01:51 before
0:01:52 obviously for
0:01:54 for the inception of islam and after
0:01:56 that and all of them are actually before
0:01:57 islam anyway even the one who was
0:01:59 allegedly allegedly supposed to be an an
0:02:02 arabic translation an early transition
0:02:04 to arabic with my syriac document we'll
0:02:07 come to that yesterday the headlights
0:02:09 are there and how much reliable is that
0:02:11 uh that uh all of them that don't
0:02:13 mention mariam in tamil i told him the
0:02:15 daughter of
0:02:16 someone called him so the ramrod is not
0:02:18 mentioned then the usual stun an
0:02:21 explanation which i think
0:02:23 uh nobody is doing it now because it is
0:02:25 just
0:02:26 it's a if someone claimed that will make
0:02:28 himself disgraceful that it's actually
0:02:31 muhammad is so stupid let me use these
0:02:33 words
0:02:34 liberally and they will use try to be
0:02:37 neutral not saying messenger or
0:02:39 revelation or no revelation just mention
0:02:41 the various point of view as neutral as
0:02:42 possible that is associated with that he
0:02:45 confused maryam the sister of
0:02:47 of haroon and the sister of musa
0:02:50 which is obviously as you know 1500
0:02:52 years roughly that's the best estimate
0:02:54 some people say it's only 1200 years but
0:02:56 over millennium before the time of
0:02:58 christ
0:03:00 uh with with maryam
0:03:02 the model of christ
0:03:04 and
0:03:05 this is this could be only assumed
0:03:08 really nobody will will
0:03:10 will make such a blunder except someone
0:03:12 who is utmost stupidity and ignorance
0:03:14 about the scripture but
0:03:16 just a casual scanning through the quran
0:03:18 the story of musa is expanded very in
0:03:20 very details with never anywhere
0:03:23 his sister or the
0:03:25 small family conflict which has been
0:03:27 recorded in in the in the constitution
0:03:29 the so-called torah
0:03:31 there were some conflicts and issues
0:03:32 with the with maryam and her and her own
0:03:36 and wives of
0:03:37 musa the quran
0:03:39 do not bother about that
0:03:41 there's some casual mentioning of that
0:03:43 people who who helped musa and allah
0:03:46 made
0:03:47 showed his innocence as well with that
0:03:49 mission what is that show and so on and
0:03:51 there's some hadith which
0:03:53 i think they are maybe questionable
0:03:55 about that issue is there's no mention
0:03:57 of the
0:03:58 sister of uh harun and musa etc anyway
0:04:01 and then after that it says after musa
0:04:03 there have been messengers one after one
0:04:05 until they ultimately ended with isa and
0:04:08 rebuking the jews say how come that when
0:04:11 every messenger comes to you either you
0:04:12 declare them to be a liar or you kill
0:04:14 them so it's clearly the one who wrote
0:04:16 the quran whoever he may be
0:04:18 is very aware that between musa and and
0:04:21 he said there are various messengers and
0:04:23 generations and so on
0:04:25 and also various hints in the quran that
0:04:27 they have been uh punished by invasion
0:04:30 and extreme and the destruction of their
0:04:32 temple and so on so it just simply you
0:04:35 need to be really a donkey let's let's
0:04:37 say it in non-academic language to make
0:04:39 such a blunder
0:04:41 so the question now how come that is the
0:04:43 quran or the light of insist on maryam
0:04:46 bin tamra is number one
0:04:48 just keep this point in mind
0:04:51 uh
0:04:53 that's that's the first one but this is
0:04:54 small relatively that
0:04:58 it's a fundamental point and at the same
0:05:01 time it's a shocking point
0:05:03 secondly now we go to the story of
0:05:04 maryam quran it is expanded actually in
0:05:06 two places
0:05:07 first one is the nativity and they
0:05:09 showed the career that's in surat
0:05:10 al-imran
0:05:11 and the other one in surat maryam let us
0:05:13 start with
0:05:14 according to the order of the quran
0:05:16 although the the because this is one
0:05:19 coronerically chronologically it should
0:05:21 be earlier than the one in in in surat
0:05:24 maryam
0:05:25 but obviously in the order of the quran
0:05:27 and even also in the other revelations
0:05:28 thought mariam is amaki with certitude
0:05:30 that's there's no doubt about that so
0:05:32 many narration
0:05:34 even it has been recited to the negos
0:05:36 jashi the king of
0:05:38 abyssinian there were discussion about
0:05:40 jesus and his nature and so on
0:05:42 uh
0:05:44 there are various famous narrations in
0:05:45 islamic history
0:05:47 so it is a maki while al imran is a dis
0:05:49 portion
0:05:51 specifically is related to a debate
0:05:53 under uh
0:05:55 and and the challenge to a mutual
0:05:56 conversation with the
0:05:57 christian
0:05:59 delegation coming from azeroth that is
0:06:00 in the tenth year the last year of the
0:06:02 prophet century so
0:06:05 revelation wise even the maryam part is
0:06:07 earlier
0:06:08 but in the order of the quran this is
0:06:10 india in the order so let's go the other
0:06:12 quran because this is also the part of
0:06:14 the story is before
0:06:16 getting pregnant and giving birth
0:06:19 so let me read the i as in in arabic and
0:06:21 then one translation i talked just there
0:06:24 there is a site called islamawaken.com
0:06:28 it lists about 1520 translations
0:06:31 and
0:06:32 one of them kaskar seems to be uh
0:06:35 familiar with the new and old testament
0:06:36 and he's trying his translation to uh to
0:06:39 synchronize things with these a little
0:06:41 bit i will criticize some one or two
0:06:43 points but this seems to be the
0:06:45 smoothest and easy to read
0:06:47 this one and linguistically it is
0:06:49 relatively i will make some comments in
0:06:51 some places but let us let us stick to
0:06:53 one translation as a to have because it
0:06:55 will give us the the main structure the
0:06:57 gist what's going on
0:06:59 so the the verses
0:08:24 this is imran that's chapter three surah
0:08:27 said surah from i 33 to 44 let me read
0:08:30 the translation and maybe i will make
0:08:32 small comments on the translation so let
0:08:34 me
0:08:35 rearrange it from right to left
0:08:42 anyway
0:08:44 sometimes the system becomes stubborn
0:08:47 and doesn't
0:08:48 respond easily
0:08:51 when we don't want it it tends the right
0:08:54 to lift so i quite easily
0:08:57 okay now it is stand right right to left
0:08:59 so i can't eat the english more
0:09:01 conveniently this way because i have the
0:09:02 arabic and in english
0:09:04 so
0:09:06 these various ice transits in the
0:09:08 following way
0:09:09 that's roughly translated this is uh
0:09:11 safety kaskar as in https
0:09:14 www.islamawakend.com
0:09:19 so 33 until the last one which is was 44
0:09:23 i read ayaabaya
0:09:25 33 god shows adam noah abraham
0:09:30 abraham's family and imran's family over
0:09:33 all people
0:09:34 sometimes translate of their time but
0:09:37 there's no need for such because
0:09:39 obviously this show is is essentially to
0:09:42 start with the people of all time and
0:09:44 maybe over all creation
0:09:46 that's possible or all mankind
0:09:49 a small remark is quite quickly markets
0:09:50 it's not on our topic but the mentioning
0:09:52 of adam specifically as chosen over over
0:09:55 uh uh uh
0:09:57 it says actually currency over over the
0:10:00 worlds not over uh people so the of
0:10:03 people is not accurate in the sense
0:10:05 because there's the alameda mean the
0:10:06 worlds so adam is chosen over the worlds
0:10:09 the words that this is time there may
0:10:11 have been people we discussed life i
0:10:12 think once about the issue of evolution
0:10:15 etc but
0:10:17 most likely has been elevated over the
0:10:19 creation of the earth of his time
0:10:22 and
0:10:23 a dimension of adam by name indicate
0:10:25 that this is a real person is not a
0:10:26 metaphor for human beings so the story
0:10:28 of adam and the creation
0:10:30 if even if some aspects may be
0:10:31 metaphorical but a person called other
0:10:33 must have existed so this is one place
0:10:35 which you have really to say it is is
0:10:38 rather unconceivable that adam is just a
0:10:41 metaphor for human being while noah is a
0:10:43 historic person supposedly abraham is a
0:10:46 historic person according to old
0:10:47 testament and so on and his family and
0:10:50 the family of imran who is first time
0:10:52 mentioned in detail in the quran here
0:10:54 next ayah
0:10:56 a common line of descent
0:10:59 one when descending from other one from
0:11:01 following the other so the imran are
0:11:03 destroying from abraham and abraham is
0:11:05 descending from noah and noah is
0:11:06 descending from adam over long genealogy
0:11:09 this quran does not bother our
0:11:10 generation and details and also the
0:11:12 sunnah stressed that these geologists
0:11:14 which people are usually talk about and
0:11:16 mention them mostly are fabricated and
0:11:19 lies
0:11:20 let me just mention quickly that when
0:11:21 the brotherhood
0:11:22 mentions his geology he goes all the way
0:11:24 with names until adnan and they say adan
0:11:27 descends from ismail cadaver
0:11:29 those generalists are liars so their
0:11:31 names the usually mentions of that they
0:11:33 mention 40 names sometimes 70 names
0:11:35 sometimes names which do not sound
0:11:37 arabic and so on although that's usually
0:11:39 fabrication of their imagination most
0:11:41 likely maybe one or two persons may be
0:11:43 historical and the rest is just they
0:11:44 filled with their imagination depending
0:11:47 upon even their guests about what's the
0:11:49 time span and so on and they try to fail
0:11:51 because the average distance of the
0:11:52 nation is 25 to 30 years so they fell
0:11:54 according to their what they know about
0:11:56 the time distance which
0:11:58 more often than not very faulty are not
0:12:00 correct anyway
0:12:01 so but these are descending from here so
0:12:03 they have been chosen over all
0:12:05 worlds at that time
0:12:09 third ayah imran's wife now jumps
0:12:11 immediately to their wife everyone this
0:12:13 is just introduction that this family of
0:12:14 imran who is the father of maryam with
0:12:16 the maryam the mother of christ is not a
0:12:18 mariam's sister because they said such a
0:12:20 blunder can be attributed only to really
0:12:22 almost someone who is almost mentally
0:12:25 impaired or a donkey to use a very harsh
0:12:28 word it's not academic but we are here
0:12:30 more more uh
0:12:32 we are trying to to be
0:12:34 smooth with using a smooth language as
0:12:36 possible but i i don't care very much
0:12:38 about being politically or theologically
0:12:40 correct in wedding
0:12:42 so
0:12:43 so they descend from each other
0:12:46 and
0:12:49 and the allah is aware about them then
0:12:51 the wife of the jumps all through that
0:12:54 history directed as the usual quran
0:12:55 junction only highlights and main points
0:12:58 of the heart of the quran
0:13:01 imran's wife said
0:13:03 mentioned this event was elect behold
0:13:07 lord
0:13:08 i have vowed to you what is what what is
0:13:11 in my womb
0:13:12 to be holy is dedicated to you
0:13:15 accepted from me
0:13:17 you you hear and know all things
0:13:20 so she devoted the baby
0:13:23 uh to uh completely to god meaning it
0:13:26 should be served possibly in the temple
0:13:28 it comes later to clear that's what she
0:13:29 meant in her mind
0:13:31 how come that she devoted maybe he she
0:13:33 expected a boy maybe that's a
0:13:35 possibility maybe she had a vision we
0:13:37 don't know
0:13:38 normally there is no dedication for
0:13:41 girls for the for the temple because if
0:13:42 you dedicate a boy to the temple he will
0:13:44 be saving the temple until it's the end
0:13:45 of his life become like something like
0:13:47 like a monk most likely i'm not very
0:13:49 familiar with exactly the devotion or to
0:13:52 the temple in the time of of the temple
0:13:54 time which ended by the structure of the
0:13:56 temple in the year 70 a.d
0:13:58 but it's most likely like that
0:14:00 so it will be
0:14:02 exclusively for boys for men because
0:14:04 women would have when they come out of
0:14:07 age they will have menstruations and
0:14:08 this is a problem because men's is
0:14:10 regarded in the jewish law as a curse
0:14:13 and
0:14:14 misreading women are so unclean or
0:14:17 impure that they sometimes secluded in a
0:14:19 special room outside the house
0:14:22 and the studies and woman was a jewish
0:14:24 woman when they talked to each other
0:14:25 about the diet
0:14:27 i have the instead of a woman saying to
0:14:29 her friend i have now a period i cannot
0:14:31 do that i have the cares it has
0:14:33 become the second name for the menses
0:14:35 the caps
0:14:36 but anyway whatever she devoted that or
0:14:38 maybe she was hopeful we don't know she
0:14:41 devoted it
0:14:45 when she gave birth
0:14:47 she said she recognized this again lord
0:14:50 i have delivered a female
0:14:54 i'm stuck meaning with the oath
0:14:58 god knows
0:14:59 well what she has delivered this this
0:15:01 sentence opens certain doors
0:15:03 about the natural israeli marijuana
0:15:05 complete female or part female and so on
0:15:07 we could speculate about about
0:15:10 maybe multiple chromosomes i think that
0:15:12 that's when we come to the virgin birth
0:15:14 i will not speculate that but it may be
0:15:16 an interesting point so why this
0:15:17 incentive we know that god knows better
0:15:19 than about yourself and your children
0:15:21 more than you know yourself so this
0:15:23 sentence may be a hint think about it
0:15:25 there may be maybe she is not a female
0:15:27 as the usual female maybe she has x x y
0:15:29 we don't know anyway i'm just
0:15:31 speculating that's not in the quran
0:15:33 nobody said that before just keep it in
0:15:35 your mind just just an idea just a
0:15:37 speculative idea keep it open be keep an
0:15:40 open-minded but the hint must be taken
0:15:42 seriously especially if someone believes
0:15:44 revelation from the divine then every
0:15:47 word and every letter should be given
0:15:49 due consideration
0:15:53 and she continues so the sentence was in
0:15:55 between allah made quickly this this
0:15:58 intervening sentence and even
0:16:00 interrupting her statement and she
0:16:02 continued that's her statement that a
0:16:04 man is not like a female
0:16:06 obviously they are different but humans
0:16:08 cannot be devoted to the temple or
0:16:10 cannot do the service like like a female
0:16:12 so what to be done there
0:16:14 whatever i have named her mary mariam
0:16:17 the translator used mary should we it
0:16:19 was miriam the original name as in the
0:16:21 quran also in the jewish
0:16:23 obviously history it's maryam it's not
0:16:24 me mary maria
0:16:26 i seek you your protection for her and
0:16:29 her children
0:16:31 from the accursed satan
0:16:34 now
0:16:38 that's obvious completion of his
0:16:39 application whatever she is please
0:16:41 protect her and hear offsprings from the
0:16:43 devil
0:16:46 then allah make a comment from her quran
0:16:49 the light of the quran
0:16:50 usually in the habit to say allah made
0:16:52 because they believe it is from allah
0:16:53 and i think at the end we will maybe all
0:16:56 of us will come to a collusion this is a
0:16:58 very extremely high probability you have
0:16:59 to make such a conclusion just on this
0:17:01 story by september leave
0:17:05 accepted here
0:17:07 the that female baby
0:17:09 favorably
0:17:11 and because there or the white female
0:17:13 baby is actually translated from the
0:17:15 translator from his own imagination but
0:17:16 they say but
0:17:19 her lord accepted here favorably and
0:17:22 caused her
0:17:24 to to be brought up in a good upbringing
0:17:27 and place her in the careers care
0:17:31 let's stop here and go a little bit
0:17:33 now
0:17:34 quran does not tell us what happened
0:17:36 after that if she says the female itself
0:17:38 most likely she consulted a husband or
0:17:41 whoever local local priest what to do in
0:17:43 this situation have a vow
0:17:46 maybe she had a vision that she has a
0:17:48 boy and that's the reason she made the
0:17:49 vow now we are stuck and vows especially
0:17:51 in the jewish law are very binding and
0:17:53 very heavy so what to do
0:17:55 maybe have decided this is so there's
0:17:57 something new and
0:17:58 and uh and surprising let us go to the
0:18:01 temple where we have the high priests
0:18:03 and and the sanhedrin they may be able
0:18:05 to give a more structured judgment
0:18:08 possibly they went there
0:18:10 and the present people
0:18:12 concluded that there's no problem
0:18:16 at least we cannot take her until she
0:18:17 becomes 12 years or something until the
0:18:19 administration is at least that's as
0:18:20 possible
0:18:22 but according to some apocryphal
0:18:24 governors recently the
0:18:26 evangelion of of uh jacob of james james
0:18:30 said james is just a mutilation the
0:18:32 greek mutilation of the name jacob
0:18:34 supposed to be the brother of christ
0:18:36 will come that later he shall
0:18:39 say they they
0:18:41 told the family go back and nurse her
0:18:43 until she
0:18:44 can't take care of herself and can go to
0:18:46 their bathrooms and they claim until
0:18:48 three years is three year enough is not
0:18:50 relevant three four five doesn't make
0:18:52 any difference for me or for anybody
0:18:54 else anyway and bring her back
0:18:57 so continue
0:18:58 breastfeeding etc so it seems to be such
0:19:00 a concession whatever and this part of
0:19:02 the story as in the apocrypha makes good
0:19:04 sense
0:19:05 in some form or level they would not
0:19:07 have made such a decision they are not
0:19:09 scholarships they are pious people but
0:19:10 they are definitely not scholarly and
0:19:13 in in the jewish system at that time
0:19:15 with the sanhedrin as on they would in
0:19:17 some such a meeting issue they should go
0:19:19 and consult the city the chief priest
0:19:22 the quran losses overload that because
0:19:24 it's understanding understandable by by
0:19:26 its own necessity and no need to go
0:19:28 these fine details because they are not
0:19:30 relevant for this main main structure of
0:19:32 the story
0:19:33 and
0:19:34 how the adoption have happened it is
0:19:36 mentioned later how it is done but
0:19:38 obviously there was a competition
0:19:39 because this unique situation which
0:19:42 denies what what most of our apocrypha
0:19:45 claimed that the virgins were devoted to
0:19:47 the temple and so on and she was over
0:19:49 them or the best of them it seems to be
0:19:51 this is from the imagination of the
0:19:52 writer that i don't think there is but i
0:19:55 still be corrected if someone is
0:19:56 familiar with the jewish
0:19:58 priesthood and and late temple history
0:20:02 if they have accepted
0:20:03 such devoted girls
0:20:05 virgin girls i doubt that is the case
0:20:09 understanding the mentality and the
0:20:10 philosophy of judaism and the
0:20:12 patriarchic system does not seem to be
0:20:14 very reasonable but it may be maybe
0:20:17 that's history
0:20:18 we have to check with history not
0:20:20 project our imagination
0:20:23 and conception in history so it seems to
0:20:25 have been a concern a competition which
0:20:27 had mentioned later and they even casted
0:20:29 lots and lots came in favor of the
0:20:31 career by divine design according to the
0:20:33 story here in the quran
0:20:35 there is custom lord there in india but
0:20:37 it never related to zakaria in the
0:20:38 apocrypha so there's a this is a
0:20:40 significant variation
0:20:43 here but we'll come to that
0:20:46 so
0:20:47 obviously that's done she's accepted
0:20:49 she's weaned she'll grow up obviously to
0:20:52 an a she can attend to her own purity
0:20:54 and so on go to the bathroom etc we
0:20:56 assume that naturally
0:20:58 things like that the quran is not
0:20:59 mentioned because they are that's
0:21:01 natural development nothing
0:21:02 subra national or special there so we
0:21:04 can assume she has been weaned etc and
0:21:06 then
0:21:07 she was given to the careers chair
0:21:09 uh who is this apparently seemed to be
0:21:12 the chief priest at that time
0:21:14 and in the in the old historic records
0:21:16 he's not mentioned as as a prophet but
0:21:18 the quran make him clearly a prophet
0:21:20 because of this event here but that's
0:21:22 again another variation we have to
0:21:24 discuss and see
0:21:25 in the balance of evidences what makes
0:21:27 better sense
0:21:29 in in the context of history and time
0:21:32 uh and the quran continues
0:21:34 as often as the career visits here in
0:21:36 the in in in the inner sanctuary in the
0:21:38 maharab in the altar near secretary
0:21:41 he found she had
0:21:46 she had sustenance
0:21:48 food sisters
0:21:50 he said mary mariam how did you get this
0:21:54 she said it is from god god provides
0:21:57 bounty for whom he
0:21:59 wills
0:22:01 so the career obviously checking on here
0:22:03 from time to time
0:22:05 not necessarily daily but he enters the
0:22:08 sanctuary from time to time maybe daily
0:22:10 and she is having maybe a special room
0:22:12 there next to the sanctuary
0:22:14 and he finds surprising that she has
0:22:16 supplies and food
0:22:18 not that what usually provided because
0:22:20 the temple has its own organization that
0:22:22 is not this is not the marketplace this
0:22:24 is the temple as organization it has if
0:22:26 there are monks and nuns and so on they
0:22:29 have supply etc and she did not get from
0:22:31 that she had supplies outside that
0:22:34 and she said it's from god
0:22:36 god provides bounty for whom
0:22:39 he wills
0:22:41 some people uh or some stories say that
0:22:44 she was provided by the angels but at
0:22:46 the wedding he does not provide how it
0:22:48 has come is it well it doesn't provide
0:22:50 was the mechanism is it by a from angels
0:22:52 or it is maybe uh another example is
0:22:55 that maybe people have heard about this
0:22:57 exceptionally high scale and they
0:22:59 decided to bring gifts another maybe
0:23:02 other people shows have seen visions go
0:23:04 and supply that gear etc so the way god
0:23:07 provides not only mechanisms but is is
0:23:11 is
0:23:13 just angels bringing it like in some
0:23:15 some apocrypha does not need to be
0:23:17 injured it can be otherwise i'll give
0:23:19 you another mechanism also it doesn't
0:23:20 exist at the moment but exists at least
0:23:22 in in in star trek and star wars movie
0:23:25 maybe it's by territory teleportation
0:23:28 according to uh to the star trek famous
0:23:31 recall
0:23:32 scotty beam me up maybe
0:23:34 so i think speculating about that is is
0:23:37 futile and user but it's it's from god
0:23:39 somehow it is not from the temple it is
0:23:41 direct provision for god with certain
0:23:44 through certain mechanisms you don't
0:23:45 need to be bothered because it's
0:23:46 irrelevant a god can provide in many
0:23:48 ways some of them look natural and it
0:23:51 does not look look to be supernatural
0:23:52 enemy at all the one of them is for
0:23:55 example that people have heard about
0:23:57 this exceptional girl and they decide
0:23:59 that they should bring gifts to her
0:24:01 and there may be a whole neighborhood
0:24:03 and the whole people say okay you bring
0:24:04 this day i bring the other day and so on
0:24:06 maybe maybe seven eight ten people have
0:24:08 decided we'll do that we exchange
0:24:10 between us day by day until one month
0:24:12 and you go back that's very feasible
0:24:14 many things like that can be up and we
0:24:16 are talking about jerusalem in uh just
0:24:19 around the time of
0:24:20 of the birth so-called so-called bear of
0:24:22 christ bc ac and it's very sophisticated
0:24:25 that quite cool advanced society with
0:24:27 organizations with organized temple and
0:24:29 so on so we're not talking about
0:24:30 wilderness or you say wonder how could
0:24:32 this be organized it's it's quite
0:24:34 reasonable and the temple is
0:24:36 continuously frequented there are always
0:24:38 pilgrims there was sacrifice
0:24:41 there when so that
0:24:44 then
0:24:44 his feeling of that
0:24:47 there are such pairs kids
0:24:49 around and he himself
0:24:52 doesn't have any
0:24:53 so
0:24:55 based on that what he have seen he
0:24:56 prayed to the lord
0:24:58 he said lord
0:24:59 be gracious to me and give me such
0:25:02 blessed blessed child
0:25:05 you certainly hear prayers so let me see
0:25:07 the arab because he asked for a child
0:25:09 specifically i will ask for someone who
0:25:11 will take over the priesthood after him
0:25:14 yeah yeah he said he offspring so he
0:25:16 asked for the ali for offspring so he
0:25:19 wanted himself strings most likely in
0:25:21 his mind maybe from relative from
0:25:23 cousins from himself not necessarily for
0:25:24 himself god also the sons of your
0:25:26 brothers are regarded your offspring in
0:25:28 the general sense especially in a in in
0:25:30 the semitic foundation arabic islam and
0:25:33 jewish tradition it is it is
0:25:35 the the children of your
0:25:36 your cousins etc are regarded like your
0:25:39 children and sometimes even the
0:25:41 prohibited prohibition of marriage of
0:25:43 close cousins hassan was enforced so
0:25:46 maybe he has not in his mind even
0:25:48 imagined that he will himself and his
0:25:50 wife will get because it seemed to be
0:25:51 impossible for them
0:25:54 so
0:26:00 then
0:26:01 surprisingly he was called by angels
0:26:03 when he was in the in a sanctuary
0:26:05 praying
0:26:06 in the in the
0:26:08 inner sanctuary
0:26:11 god gives you the good news that's the
0:26:13 reason why people say that he's a
0:26:14 prophet and also other personal quran
0:26:16 stressed that he's a prophet not only a
0:26:18 high priest
0:26:19 or although many other high priests were
0:26:21 almost closer to satan than to god with
0:26:23 their behaviors one of them is kaifas
0:26:25 the one who was standing on the trial of
0:26:27 christ et cetera
0:26:29 person who has presumed to be the
0:26:31 christ but let's let's continue
0:26:33 god gives you good news of john of
0:26:36 johannes
0:26:41 confirm a word from god that's that's a
0:26:44 significant word who will be
0:26:45 confirming a word from god and this word
0:26:48 from god is supposed to be isolated
0:26:50 but so giving the title word from god is
0:26:55 obviously ancient if the if that's a
0:26:57 revelation the quran says that reality
0:27:00 was called the word from god is correct
0:27:02 and seem to we have historic root but
0:27:04 that's provided we claim the quran is
0:27:06 for a divine revelation this is the
0:27:08 truth but keep that at the side then as
0:27:11 a question mark
0:27:13 he will be noble
0:27:15 and chaste
0:27:16 actually has
0:27:18 hustled is
0:27:21 with sexual intercourse it's more than
0:27:22 that he is he is really in that case
0:27:26 which for most men will be deficient for
0:27:28 him it is a speciality and there is a
0:27:30 hadith
0:27:31 whose reference chain is not bad had he
0:27:34 said essentially
0:27:36 no human there is no human who did not
0:27:38 commit a sin sexual sin
0:27:41 or
0:27:42 had the feeling that he want to do it
0:27:45 so either commit or incline to do it
0:27:48 because this is so well built in in our
0:27:52 physiology and and biochemistry and
0:27:54 hormones that even if you're in
0:27:57 recommendation you may have sometimes
0:27:59 felt a desire for a woman passing or
0:28:02 have a some sexual attraction
0:28:04 except he has a career
0:28:06 because he had not and the prophet
0:28:08 allegedly took uh something from the
0:28:10 from the floor maybe a twig a soft twig
0:28:13 or maybe a straw or something i say it
0:28:16 has nothing more than that meaning his
0:28:18 his
0:28:19 his manhood is penis is like that he has
0:28:22 no desire possibly he has even no uh no
0:28:24 testicles so it doesn't happen the whole
0:28:26 world has set them to have any feeling
0:28:28 for woman so it's not only chest is more
0:28:30 hassle
0:28:32 according to this hadith but whatever it
0:28:34 is
0:28:35 completely controlling himself in
0:28:37 a matter of sexuality and never getting
0:28:39 married
0:28:40 and yeah
0:28:44 so he will be noble and chester
0:28:47 a prophet prophet
0:28:49 and one of the righteous
0:28:53 then the career was surprised by the
0:28:54 lord
0:28:56 give me a sign obviously what i would
0:28:58 sign for himself because he you hear
0:29:00 something
0:29:04 supposed to be angels but you have no
0:29:06 substitute if he is something like
0:29:07 especially something like that which
0:29:08 seems to be out of the ordinary so he
0:29:11 asked for a sign so that he convinced
0:29:13 that's true give me a sign
0:29:17 and then he is
0:29:19 told to him your sign b that you will
0:29:22 not be able to talk the people for three
0:29:23 days and three nights
0:29:25 except giving symbols and gestures
0:29:27 and remember your lord
0:29:29 morning and evening
0:29:31 so that's the sign for him it's a
0:29:33 private miracle
0:29:34 because
0:29:36 if he goes out and does not talk the
0:29:38 people may think he's not talking
0:29:39 deliberately and he's pretending that
0:29:40 he's mute by my miraculous action
0:29:44 everyone can pretend that so he said the
0:29:46 sign is for him not very advised
0:29:48 and remove your lord there frequently
0:29:51 and glorify him in the evening and in
0:29:53 the morning
0:29:55 and the other part of the story will
0:29:56 come later
0:29:58 he comes to the people and give them
0:30:00 signs that he
0:30:01 that he cannot talk and then order them
0:30:03 with signs that praise the lord morning
0:30:06 and evening that's easy to
0:30:07 praise the lord you point to the heaven
0:30:09 and down to the mouth we praise the lord
0:30:11 and the east and west
0:30:12 by sunrise and sunset people under
0:30:14 success such standard gestures are known
0:30:16 to people so the people understood
0:30:19 here the story stops and then it shifts
0:30:22 to maryam
0:30:25 we are not yet at the nativity and then
0:30:27 and that conception story
0:30:29 while she's still in the temple under
0:30:31 the the the guardianship and the and and
0:30:34 the fosters of zakaria the industry to
0:30:37 marry just preparing headers lifting his
0:30:40 spirit and preparing him for things in
0:30:41 the future which is not happening yet
0:30:43 that's not in this world
0:30:45 they said to mary
0:30:46 god has chosen you purified you and
0:30:49 shows you above the woman of the world
0:30:53 so mary bottle down to your lord kneeled
0:30:56 for him and
0:30:58 continue praying
0:31:01 and the quran comment of that all over
0:31:03 that before going to continue with with
0:31:05 the story of isa and so on other issues
0:31:07 which are not related to nativity i will
0:31:09 not address them now unless we are not
0:31:11 necessarily you need to judge them this
0:31:13 is hidden knowledge what i want to say
0:31:14 this is the knowledge
0:31:16 that we reveal to you muhammad
0:31:19 you were not with them now the story of
0:31:21 the casting the lord's submission you
0:31:23 were not with them definitely was not
0:31:26 with them when they were casting lots
0:31:28 using their pens
0:31:30 when they were casting lots for which of
0:31:33 them
0:31:34 the priests and high priest would take
0:31:36 care of mary or maryam
0:31:38 or when they were quarantined obviously
0:31:40 there was a dispute between them because
0:31:42 they regard that as a great horror or an
0:31:44 issue which have to be said that somehow
0:31:46 very difficult issue
0:31:48 so that's it that's a so here this is
0:31:51 the phase now in the apocrypha
0:31:54 they mentioned that she's the daughter
0:31:55 of him so she's contradictory samurai
0:31:58 completely
0:32:04 only the father's name so she could be
0:32:06 anna could be whatever she would have
0:32:07 been and her sister elizabeth
0:32:10 may be true we don't know could be could
0:32:12 be otherwise that could have doesn't
0:32:14 mention no motivation that
0:32:16 no other under existing records
0:32:18 are essentially always talking about an
0:32:20 idealism that has sister maybe that's
0:32:22 true seems to be some some historic what
0:32:24 is there for that that piece and then uh
0:32:27 talk about uh uh actually that that uh
0:32:30 that the the birth of mariam would have
0:32:32 been also somehow miraculous
0:32:34 that her parents were unable to conceive
0:32:36 etc so the the miracle of the career is
0:32:39 transported to them if we assume the
0:32:41 story of the quran to be the valid one
0:32:43 which is more logical
0:32:45 and
0:32:46 and
0:32:48 construct a complex story about that
0:32:50 that iwahim was insulted by the high
0:32:52 priest which is not zakaria someone else
0:32:54 the names are there i give the documents
0:32:55 too to lacks so you can give it to
0:32:57 everyone if you can read it and then if
0:32:58 you have questions and so on and analyze
0:33:00 things and find their sites and odd
0:33:02 points we can discuss it next time
0:33:03 inshallah
0:33:05 and
0:33:06 so
0:33:08 but and then she was then she was then
0:33:10 uh uh sent back to the family for until
0:33:13 winning and then with three years they
0:33:15 went back and then three years also is
0:33:18 stressed
0:33:18 to be like miraculous because nobody's
0:33:21 at three years is really mature enough
0:33:22 to be to be serving in the temple but
0:33:24 this one was mature enough and even one
0:33:27 story when they reach the temple stairs
0:33:29 that girls walk up the stairs as if
0:33:31 she's an adult and went directly where
0:33:33 she is supposed to go and things like
0:33:35 that that's obviously
0:33:36 things almost certainly added from
0:33:39 imagination if that's theory is
0:33:41 or maybe it's true it has it is nothing
0:33:44 significant that's clearly an attempt to
0:33:46 give
0:33:47 maryam more miraculous aspect than what
0:33:50 she may have or what the destiny is
0:33:53 sequence of quran uh warrants really
0:33:58 so that's this part that's all
0:34:00 the time bringing in the temple the time
0:34:03 that's thus you find in puerto rico
0:34:06 of of james of jacob and other
0:34:09 essentially essentially in that in that
0:34:11 direction with variation over the story
0:34:13 of the parents
0:34:14 of no variation in the name
0:34:16 the name is consistently
0:34:18 anna
0:34:20 and the variation of the name of the
0:34:22 high priest different high priest names
0:34:24 are used which put doubt on the
0:34:26 historicity of this situation
0:34:28 and also the previous story that the
0:34:30 father yuahim was insulted by the high
0:34:32 priest that you don't have offspring in
0:34:35 israel and this means that you are not
0:34:37 that you are not a pure man or not
0:34:39 another man elected by god and once to
0:34:41 one even one of the gospels i don't
0:34:43 think it's the protest vengeance another
0:34:45 one of your cup another one jacob
0:34:47 another one claims that he went to the
0:34:50 records of bani israel and found that
0:34:52 oral records from the time of the of of
0:34:54 the ancient until his time all righteous
0:34:57 men and famous men have offspring so
0:35:00 he's the high priest is right or an old
0:35:02 man
0:35:03 there must be some cares on you or
0:35:04 something like that and then he went
0:35:06 into wilderness etc so stories which are
0:35:09 uh
0:35:10 most likely questionable to say the
0:35:12 least but anyway
0:35:14 there's no absolute reason to reject
0:35:16 them but they don't they don't seem to
0:35:18 be in within the ordinary of
0:35:20 and i doubt really that any high priest
0:35:21 would insult a pious man who is a rich
0:35:24 man a devotee and brings offering to the
0:35:26 temple continuously that you don't have
0:35:28 children in such a way that he's so
0:35:30 insulted that he goes for 40 days
0:35:32 fasting in the wilderness and his wife
0:35:34 go
0:35:36 running around like crazy trying to find
0:35:37 him i don't think that it comes to that
0:35:39 but
0:35:40 things like the audit is like that may
0:35:42 happen in history we have we have to
0:35:44 find historical verification of that we
0:35:46 don't have anywhere except those
0:35:47 narratives which are having fundamental
0:35:50 faults elsewhere which shows that they
0:35:51 are fabricated
0:35:54 now the
0:35:56 important part of the conception of isa
0:35:58 there's exception essentially is at odd
0:36:02 completely
0:36:03 with whatever we have in any of the
0:36:06 gospels of nativity we have various i
0:36:09 gave various copies to relax to give to
0:36:10 everyone we have the most important is
0:36:13 the proto-porter evangelion of jacob
0:36:16 james that's the one the most important
0:36:18 then we have one which is essentially
0:36:20 based on that and adding a lot of
0:36:21 imaginary stories like called the
0:36:24 armenian one then we have a syriac one
0:36:27 and one which was easily translated to
0:36:29 arabic which has one additional story
0:36:31 which is not elsewhere but that one is
0:36:34 the whole story is it
0:36:36 just simply does not fit any reasonably
0:36:38 because it claim
0:36:39 that story goes back to the
0:36:41 from the book of kaifas god kaifa's the
0:36:44 same man who was trying christ and
0:36:46 condemned him to death so how come it is
0:36:49 and nobody have seen that book of kavas
0:36:50 ever it's just a claim it seems to be
0:36:53 the one who fabricated the story or
0:36:54 fabricated this reference wanted to show
0:36:57 that even caiphus who condemned christ
0:36:58 was aware about that
0:37:00 that could that could have a possible
0:37:03 interpretation is that kaifas may be
0:37:04 part of the plot because there was a
0:37:06 there was a current in early
0:37:08 christianity believing that
0:37:10 that judas is the only one who
0:37:12 understood christ properly and that
0:37:15 that the that the god of the old
0:37:17 testament and the old testament a
0:37:18 revelation of the devil and even the
0:37:19 creator of this world is the devil
0:37:22 and we find the seeds of this evil idea
0:37:25 in in or this idea withdraw the words
0:37:28 here because this is that's now a
0:37:29 judgment or idea which we have to prove
0:37:31 actually that is an evil idea we find
0:37:34 seeds of that in in in in paul because
0:37:37 only as he'd say the lord of this world
0:37:39 meaning the devil
0:37:41 the the laws of this word the lord of
0:37:42 the world so simply the lord this word
0:37:44 is the devil the control of this world
0:37:46 and the devil although
0:37:49 not even in the world's dream would
0:37:50 would paul think that the old testament
0:37:52 and the god of the old estimated the
0:37:53 devil no way but marcion or mark leon or
0:37:57 marcion
0:37:58 came with this energy
0:38:00 and was condemned obviously and declared
0:38:02 heretic and disbelieved
0:38:04 but there was this branch which also
0:38:06 produced the so-called gospel of judas
0:38:08 which judah is cooperating with christ
0:38:10 to save the world by that he should be
0:38:13 crucified this way the world will be
0:38:15 saved so judas is the only one who
0:38:17 understood him and all other disciples
0:38:18 are idiots you know
0:38:20 anything and this is smell in that
0:38:22 direction so someone could say actually
0:38:24 attributing it to gravis maybe
0:38:26 giving some some hints that the writer
0:38:29 is coming from this background
0:38:31 skyphus is cooperating with this because
0:38:33 he understood that this excluding this
0:38:35 man is the one who shall leave the world
0:38:37 from the sin and get it out of the
0:38:39 control of the devil so it goes in this
0:38:41 gnostic
0:38:42 marque
0:38:45 line of total philosophy which is
0:38:47 extreme dualism obviously not what the
0:38:49 scripture old scripture or any
0:38:51 description mandates is completely
0:38:52 another philosophy more closer to uh
0:38:55 absolute dualism and methodism but
0:38:57 anyway that's not over today
0:39:00 so
0:39:02 but what's come now that has come that
0:39:04 these here and nowhere in any as far as
0:39:07 i checked all the available ones like
0:39:08 the the prototyping room over and this
0:39:10 is called
0:39:12 the
0:39:13 nativity about by thomas and there's
0:39:16 also this this armenian version and
0:39:18 there's the syriac document and various
0:39:20 things all of them
0:39:22 may have
0:39:25 concerning that the child birth and the
0:39:27 conception another story this one is
0:39:29 blatantly in complete disagreement with
0:39:31 them which deserve really considerable
0:39:37 scrutiny
0:39:40 so that's what maryam which is earlier
0:39:42 revealed which is in mecca which was
0:39:43 decided to then the negotiator christian
0:39:46 in in ethiopia and abyssinian
0:39:49 so there's another the story is in
0:39:52 another
0:39:53 it focuses on the part after
0:39:55 the upbringing in the temple evidently
0:39:58 but it starts with the career story
0:40:00 first and then jumps toward
0:40:02 so it is the bismillah
0:40:03 that's the beginning of the surah sword
0:40:05 maryam this is surah number 19 the
0:40:34 foreign
0:41:13 we'll go quickly through that it is
0:41:15 essentially what happened there but from
0:41:16 another angle
0:41:18 for the career only
0:41:22 so
0:41:23 recount your lord's mercy on his
0:41:26 servant's career that's what i say
0:41:29 when he called to his lord
0:41:32 silently and very silent prayer nobody's
0:41:34 hearing him but just with him and his
0:41:36 lord whispering essentially
0:41:39 he said my lord
0:41:41 my bones have weakened he's an old man
0:41:44 now and my my head
0:41:46 shimmers with gray hair as actually you
0:41:49 said it's banned this burning would grab
0:41:51 gray it's becoming white as it has been
0:41:54 out
0:41:55 but never lord have i failed to be
0:41:58 blessed
0:41:59 in and praying to you and i have been
0:42:01 always in my prayer responded favorably
0:42:04 this is the way when you pray you make
0:42:06 an introduction so he's making an
0:42:08 introduction
0:42:10 people get that habit although god knows
0:42:12 what they are in their heart but still
0:42:13 it is the human nature to make an
0:42:15 introduction i am weak i'm ready help me
0:42:19 and i fear now is that given the
0:42:21 justifications may not mention in ali
0:42:23 ibrahim i fear
0:42:25 what the king's folk
0:42:27 and the priesthood will do after me
0:42:29 because he knows the priest around him
0:42:31 and the priesthood is mostly corrupt
0:42:34 and there's a danger
0:42:36 and
0:42:38 he has no offspring
0:42:40 nobody or from from from from the
0:42:43 relatives who could as a support as a
0:42:45 continued this this this mission like in
0:42:48 the ancient prophets usually the the
0:42:49 children or the conscience of the
0:42:51 continuous tradition
0:42:53 and then
0:42:54 the the management of the temple in the
0:42:56 proper way and and to add to other
0:42:59 problems his wife is barren
0:43:02 he's married for so many decades no
0:43:04 children she was clearly born and now
0:43:06 maybe most likely she's out of age any
0:43:08 way of of giving children so barren and
0:43:11 old out of christian no hope
0:43:14 so give me
0:43:17 a hair as a gift or an ally actually for
0:43:20 where where the world says
0:43:24 next of kin someone
0:43:26 as a gift from you
0:43:28 and i am not saying offspring he said
0:43:30 allah obviously what is he has his mind
0:43:33 is that
0:43:34 he don't know is not anything about
0:43:35 miracle is
0:43:37 as maybe a cousin or someone from the
0:43:39 family
0:43:40 should be adopted by god and brought up
0:43:42 obviously the al-imran explained how he
0:43:45 was motivated to pray this way by saying
0:43:47 maryam if such righteous girls existed
0:43:49 people maybe
0:43:52 maybe
0:43:53 some people from my family and next of
0:43:56 kin will be able to uh to produce
0:43:58 someone who i can i can train before i
0:44:00 die and and he will be a suitable chief
0:44:03 priest or a priest which can keep the
0:44:05 tradition from jacob and at least stem
0:44:09 some of the corruption which is becoming
0:44:10 more and more prevalent in
0:44:13 in the temple at that time
0:44:22 that's a
0:44:23 one who will will receive his the
0:44:26 inheritance of of the career because he
0:44:28 has no other hairs
0:44:29 uh
0:44:31 and and and will be will be on uh will
0:44:34 be will be continuing the the tradition
0:44:37 of the house of jacob
0:44:40 and make him a good pleasing
0:44:43 offspring or gives you a lie or or a
0:44:45 next of kin because not all nations are
0:44:47 pleasing sometimes they are the worst
0:44:49 for you then he has responded
0:44:51 immediately he's not mentioned who
0:44:53 responded to him is this his lord or the
0:44:54 angels or normally stages uh reporting
0:44:58 what the lord
0:44:59 because generally it's clear if allah is
0:45:01 directly talking
0:45:02 to someone that this is clearly spelled
0:45:04 otherwise that talking is usually for
0:45:06 the injured or the career
0:45:08 we bring you a good news of a son
0:45:11 whose name will be john
0:45:15 a name we have never given to anybody
0:45:18 actually this is a this is the first
0:45:20 translation because the quran says
0:45:23 we didn't make any
0:45:25 similar equal to him in name or in in in
0:45:28 the attributes
0:45:29 the evidence for that that the word
0:45:31 samia does not mean the same name
0:45:33 because if you check the name
0:45:34 john it has been given to many people
0:45:36 before
0:45:37 uh for it's not the first time ever some
0:45:40 people get confused by that but if you
0:45:42 if you if you if you check the quran in
0:45:44 other places where the word samia is
0:45:46 used to due to another place when
0:45:48 he talks about god's
0:45:49 the beneficent
0:45:51 of utmost merciful word
0:45:54 do you know any some someone who is
0:45:56 similar to his name some of his quality
0:45:58 similar tribute mercifulness that's the
0:46:00 meaning of it so this is not meaning
0:46:02 that there is nobody with the name uh as
0:46:04 if someone may be in a simple mind you
0:46:06 think uh
0:46:08 the name of the first time ever invented
0:46:11 at the time no there have been a year
0:46:12 before that
0:46:13 but this one has no equal
0:46:16 in a similarly and obviously has no
0:46:18 equal before that in human history or in
0:46:20 israel history
0:46:22 that a righteous man who has complete no
0:46:24 sexuality because all prophets before
0:46:26 and all messengers have normal sexuality
0:46:29 they have multiple wives they have
0:46:30 concubines like ibraheem etc and some of
0:46:34 them have plenty of wives and plenty of
0:46:36 children
0:46:37 almost with no limitation no one is
0:46:39 known to have no children whatsoever all
0:46:41 of them accept this
0:46:43 nobody is having hasor
0:46:46 completely completely sexually
0:46:48 incapacitated
0:46:50 like this so there's no summary for him
0:46:52 in addition to righteousness and also
0:46:55 let us say more strictness religion and
0:46:57 devotion than the majority of others
0:47:00 because if you don't have a wife for
0:47:01 children and they're just devoted to
0:47:04 to carrying a message and the water to
0:47:06 worship the water to
0:47:08 ritual acts the water to ascetism and as
0:47:10 the reports about here that he was
0:47:12 living in the wilderness eating honey
0:47:14 and eating things from the wilderness
0:47:16 exclusively
0:47:18 channing the the corrupt society that's
0:47:20 that's we don't have an example like
0:47:22 that in previous history all the the
0:47:24 prophets in the past they have many of
0:47:27 them have even a lavish life like
0:47:28 ibrahim who's rich
0:47:30 having
0:47:31 considerable lavish life
0:47:34 isaiah
0:47:35 many have
0:47:37 almost royal life
0:47:38 but nobody like this so this semi is not
0:47:41 the same name okay so we continue
0:47:47 and then it continues essentially with
0:47:49 similar things then he then
0:47:52 then he is surprised because what he is
0:47:55 in mind was really a cousin or someone
0:47:57 from the family which would be like
0:47:59 maryam the surah does not mention maryam
0:48:02 here but in ali imran clarified that's
0:48:04 that's what motivated him when he saw
0:48:05 this marvelous girl with her devotion
0:48:08 and had natural behavior and so on he
0:48:10 was moved to ask for someone like that
0:48:12 not thinking that will be from his own
0:48:14 child's offspring
0:48:20 so
0:48:21 surprised by that he asked the lord so
0:48:23 is my lord give me a sign
0:48:25 like in the previous eyes in al-imran he
0:48:27 said your sign is that you will not be
0:48:29 able to speak to the people for three
0:48:31 four nights or days
0:48:33 three four nights many nights with the
0:48:35 day okay
0:48:36 so he came out from the sanctuary and
0:48:39 this assigned to his people glorified
0:48:42 the lord morning and evening similar to
0:48:44 another imran
0:48:46 then suddenly the quran make a jump
0:48:47 that's like changing the scene this is
0:48:49 one of the cinematic way of the quran
0:48:51 representing stories yeah this john
0:48:53 directly we jump from the time john is
0:48:55 not yet conceived
0:48:56 to an adult
0:49:01 take hold of the book with a
0:49:03 steadfastness
0:49:04 all to the scripture but in a tough way
0:49:07 an excessively tough way not like what
0:49:09 most people
0:49:10 will be able uh
0:49:12 to comply in a normal way soft way no in
0:49:16 a tough way taking from every injunction
0:49:18 the harshest and the strictest
0:49:23 and
0:49:24 we gave him wisdom
0:49:27 while he was still a boy
0:49:28 right what i have so here
0:49:30 already
0:49:32 when he's still a boy
0:49:34 obviously a boy of reasonable age of
0:49:35 like 7 10 or something else he got
0:49:37 wisdom and get to get that the initial
0:49:41 sickness of prophethood
0:49:46 then we gave him also affection
0:49:51 so
0:49:53 he was given softness and
0:49:55 kindness of the heart
0:49:57 and purity
0:49:58 and
0:49:59 god awareness
0:50:02 and he was not maybe obviously to refute
0:50:04 some stories that that because he was
0:50:06 living in the wilderness he may have
0:50:07 been rough to his parents or to his
0:50:09 mother or his father like sometimes
0:50:11 narrated about even isa that he was
0:50:14 harsh to his mother is not true he's not
0:50:16 harsh he's gentle and can fall of
0:50:18 kindness to his to the people despite of
0:50:21 committing himself to harsh discipline
0:50:23 living in the wilderness fasting almost
0:50:25 continuously
0:50:27 observing abstaining from from sex and
0:50:29 woman is very clear because it doesn't
0:50:30 have possibly the capability possibly we
0:50:33 don't know according to that hadith
0:50:34 which we may almost rely on but in any
0:50:37 case
0:50:38 despite all the external thickness the
0:50:40 heart is completely soft and full of
0:50:42 kindness
0:50:47 and also it is stressed and full of
0:50:48 kindness towards his parents
0:50:50 and he was not to do the
0:50:53 dominant uh or
0:50:55 domineering or rebellious he was not
0:50:57 definitely not and then
0:51:00 and then there's an invocation of peace
0:51:02 on him and in
0:51:04 in the day he was born
0:51:06 god made peace on him and then
0:51:09 invoked peace on him and the day he died
0:51:13 god peacefully with him despite he was
0:51:15 decapitated and peace god's peace with
0:51:17 him in the day of resurrection so his
0:51:19 peace from the beginning to the end to
0:51:21 the resurrection
0:51:28 so
0:51:30 this is essentially the part in ali
0:51:32 imran concerning zakaria
0:51:35 but then
0:51:36 in surat maryam it jumps to the second
0:51:39 part of the surrounding that's the spot
0:51:41 which is extremely significant we focus
0:51:43 on it maybe we spend too much time with
0:51:45 the ilion but to have the general
0:51:47 atmosphere how it looks like
0:52:02 sorry we go back to swat al imran
0:52:05 when there's a jump after the story of
0:52:07 zakaria i jump to mariam but doesn't
0:52:09 show us is that
0:52:12 good news brought to her where she is in
0:52:14 the temple or after the time gap in
0:52:16 swarthmore the clarification comes
0:52:19 so insulin iran the aegis
0:52:21 the same collection in surat maryam but
0:52:25 in sweden the significant peace will
0:52:26 show importance
0:52:28 the india state is
0:53:11 foreign
0:53:26 the good news after the story which you
0:53:28 just read initially
0:53:31 and we were corroborated and founded by
0:53:35 maryam with small bits and pieces about
0:53:37 the career but now back to maryam it was
0:53:39 the story of maryam in arya imran
0:53:42 in which is not clear is it happening to
0:53:44 her in the temple or elsewhere that's
0:53:46 the only part is there but otherwise the
0:53:48 the whole message is clear so roughly
0:53:50 translate it says
0:53:52 when the ages say to maryam to mary
0:53:56 god give you the good news the gladiator
0:53:58 the gospel that's the god gospel is good
0:54:00 news evangelion this is good news
0:54:02 so the good news of the birth of isa is
0:54:04 itself an evangelion and the revelation
0:54:06 that he says
0:54:07 but i'll comment on that later
0:54:09 good news
0:54:10 of a word from him
0:54:13 whose name will be the messiah jesus son
0:54:16 of mary in arabic
0:54:18 within at the beginning i will also
0:54:20 point an issue with diana at the
0:54:21 beginning of the end
0:54:24 and this clearly when she was addressed
0:54:26 it would be your son it will be called
0:54:28 the messiah son of mary
0:54:30 he will be
0:54:32 highly distinguished
0:54:34 in this world and in the hereafter
0:54:37 and
0:54:44 and close to
0:54:45 allah very close
0:54:48 essentially the arabic equivalent of
0:54:49 that what used in here
0:54:51 used to to be to be given as a tribute
0:54:53 to the very close high angels they're
0:54:55 called cherubim
0:54:57 carabin carabin
0:54:59 the coral beam the cherubim is one of
0:55:01 these high ranking as crows as gabriel
0:55:04 michael etcetera that's that is usually
0:55:06 the word qarabin the very high ranking
0:55:08 close to god in that sense
0:55:11 he will speak to people from the cradle
0:55:15 that's the cradle speaking the crowd
0:55:16 there's a point keep that in mind and
0:55:18 when he is an old man
0:55:21 in arabic is not an extremely old man
0:55:23 it's not really because we have in
0:55:24 arabic they they divide the ages a
0:55:27 little bit like for example
0:55:31 then we have young man chap then we have
0:55:33 a man man is usually from 30 to 40 and
0:55:36 then
0:55:37 after 40 45 50 you are killed
0:55:40 starting to have few maybe one of your
0:55:42 gray hairs
0:55:43 and then when you are older than like 60
0:55:46 or more that's a shaykh
0:55:49 there's a hint there
0:55:50 why is mentioning that you're talking
0:55:52 that's miraculous
0:55:53 talking
0:55:56 is most likely like 50 years old
0:55:59 maybe a hint that he will stay until 50
0:56:00 years old which gives us a hint about
0:56:03 his birthday than the organization with
0:56:05 these stories about him maybe anyway
0:56:07 keep that if it's a divine revelation it
0:56:09 must have given me more weight than just
0:56:11 casually but mentioning
0:56:13 another place with the quran
0:56:16 means there's something significant that
0:56:17 he will be able to be working and making
0:56:20 a message and refuse the claims that
0:56:22 that he was crucified or will if or
0:56:24 ascended to the heaven or whatever has
0:56:26 happened to him when he was in his early
0:56:28 30s it does not seem to be like that it
0:56:30 seems to be much older than that
0:56:34 but this is a secondary point
0:56:36 not such a fundamental point that's of
0:56:38 interest
0:56:41 and
0:56:42 in addition to that
0:56:43 that he speaks in the claddle
0:56:50 and therefore
0:56:51 yeah
0:56:53 so this is the this is uh an old mania
0:56:56 and he will be one of the writers also
0:56:59 not only very close to god but also
0:57:00 writers full writers
0:57:03 she said she was a state of shock lord
0:57:05 how can i have a boy actually is wrong
0:57:08 because
0:57:09 it is what she said how can i have an
0:57:11 offspring wallet is not boy
0:57:14 notice that in arabic where it is eben
0:57:16 and daughter bint wallet could be a boy
0:57:18 or many people make that mistake wallet
0:57:20 has been
0:57:21 born or offspring
0:57:24 how can i have
0:57:25 any offspring
0:57:28 it's it's told to hear that's a boy it's
0:57:30 no problem but she was impossible to
0:57:32 have any of springs how can i have a an
0:57:35 offspring a boy or an offspring is
0:57:37 better translated when no man has ever
0:57:40 touched me
0:57:42 she knows very well that we don't get to
0:57:44 a pregnant just by
0:57:46 by sniffing in the air you have to have
0:57:48 intercourse that's the normal cause of
0:57:49 things or artificial insemination in
0:57:51 modern times but it has to be much more
0:57:53 than just just just just someone telling
0:57:56 you you're going to get a child
0:57:59 he said
0:58:00 god creates whatever he wills
0:58:03 when he decides something all what he
0:58:05 needs to say is it happens b it happens
0:58:07 that's what is god power
0:58:09 now let me
0:58:10 that this virgin birth
0:58:12 is a very sore point for the modern and
0:58:14 analysts of this people discussing the
0:58:16 the old testament and refuting many
0:58:18 aspects then you would stem it refuting
0:58:20 many aspects of it with good reasons
0:58:22 like our video i gave it to lux
0:58:24 hopefully in fdu they discussed about
0:58:26 the story of the birth and obviously the
0:58:28 attack also the virgin path
0:58:30 and they mentioned islam also approved
0:58:32 believes the very verse and they think
0:58:33 the best has been disproved what has
0:58:36 been disproved is the story about
0:58:38 bethlehem and so on and the evidence
0:58:40 they brought is devastating no doubt
0:58:42 about that
0:58:43 but does not mean necessarily
0:58:45 that if that part of the story is false
0:58:48 that whole destroyer they fall in the
0:58:49 so-called generalization of categoric
0:58:51 fallacy
0:58:53 if i get a story and then a substantial
0:58:55 part of it is false
0:58:58 does not mean that every part of it's
0:58:59 false
0:59:01 i have to be more scrutinizing
0:59:04 and
0:59:06 but they fall in this fallacy since we
0:59:07 have proven that
0:59:09 the whole story of the birth and going
0:59:11 to bethlehem is fake and fabricated
0:59:16 we'll see you soon and a rational
0:59:19 impossible and also historical you know
0:59:21 can be refuted
0:59:23 as discussed in this video
0:59:25 look at that video it's very interesting
0:59:26 although they go off tangent they have
0:59:28 some one or two places they have this
0:59:30 generalization of this categoric fallacy
0:59:33 but still the the point which at hand
0:59:35 they are discussing you can you can
0:59:37 really
0:59:39 rely on that and analyze it and come to
0:59:41 the conclusion it's impossible that this
0:59:43 distributed by betraying has happened
0:59:45 and all of this is just just just fake
0:59:47 the question is that how come it has
0:59:50 why this fake has been created and how
0:59:51 it has can be done anyway so
0:59:59 well in in that video they also mock the
1:00:02 issue of uh
1:00:03 of persian path obviously because the
1:00:05 refutation they have brought for that
1:00:07 story in its parts
1:00:10 then they believe that they have refuted
1:00:11 that there was a vegetable they have not
1:00:13 reviewed it they always made it
1:00:14 obviously became highly improbable
1:00:16 because for virgin birth you have to
1:00:18 have a miraculous
1:00:19 uh
1:00:20 assumption of miraculous the divine
1:00:22 intervention although they address them
1:00:24 issues biology and so on there which i
1:00:25 may address now quickly you know you
1:00:27 know
1:00:28 when i finish with the eyes in a few
1:00:30 sentence shows that said this is
1:00:32 nonsensical what they are discussing in
1:00:33 the way they're discussing but the
1:00:36 the background assumption these people
1:00:38 are coming from is that essentially
1:00:40 either god does not exist so they are
1:00:42 coming from atheists background without
1:00:44 having bringing an absolute evidence for
1:00:46 atheism all that they bring is that the
1:00:48 believer in god cannot bring in evidence
1:00:50 which is not true we can bring evidence
1:00:52 but we will come to that in various
1:00:54 forms later but leave that keep it open
1:00:57 at least and secondly or if god exists
1:00:59 he's unable to to do miracles so he's
1:01:01 bound by that by by the by by
1:01:04 by the natural
1:01:06 law of nature which is impossible
1:01:07 because if nature is created then it is
1:01:10 a contingent entity and its laws are
1:01:12 contingent
1:01:14 the easiest things for for god to break
1:01:16 them if he wants
1:01:18 oh there's no doubt about that so this
1:01:20 is also another rational fallacy but
1:01:23 obviously they don't spell out clearly
1:01:25 that
1:01:26 we don't believe in existence for the
1:01:27 divine being
1:01:29 we don't believe in uh or in a divine
1:01:31 being who is which is having
1:01:33 supernatural powers essentially meaning
1:01:37 the divine being or the recessive
1:01:39 existent being which is the source of
1:01:40 all contingent reality must be like a
1:01:44 nature which is dead blind and so on so
1:01:46 it's not a god it's just that nature
1:01:47 just a cosmos that's all that's there in
1:01:50 that case you could really argue there's
1:01:52 no way you have a
1:01:54 uh
1:01:56 version of a virgin path
1:01:58 and that is but that has to be proven
1:02:00 fast and from but they make that as like
1:02:03 a footnote or a result or indirectly of
1:02:06 the story but this is again the
1:02:08 generalization fallacy we have to be
1:02:09 cautious about such fallacies
1:02:11 anyway i will make small comments here
1:02:18 and then he she is pacified by saying
1:02:20 hey
1:02:21 uh
1:02:23 and when our god says something b it
1:02:26 happens immediately so
1:02:28 or as as designed by god that happens
1:02:30 maybe it happens in a billion of years
1:02:31 but it happens it is inevitable state b
1:02:33 it's there's no way any any force can't
1:02:36 stand in front of him being necessarily
1:02:38 existing with absolute power that's it
1:02:42 and then
1:02:43 to pacify her and he will be taught by
1:02:45 god directly he will be brought forward
1:02:47 so that he he will be taught uh the he
1:02:50 will be taught
1:02:51 the book
1:02:52 now the weather book some people
1:02:55 should hit up kitab some people in the
1:02:57 beta will be taught how to to write and
1:02:59 read i i don't think there is a poor
1:03:01 point of view get up meaning revelation
1:03:04 or revelation past and
1:03:06 and present and so generally as a
1:03:08 general title of revelation but also
1:03:10 kitab could be total commandments
1:03:13 because in arabic the word kitab could
1:03:15 mean the obligation the commandments it
1:03:16 has various meaning so he'll be taught
1:03:18 that
1:03:19 not that he would to be to be taught
1:03:21 what to read and to write
1:03:23 the wisdom usually the wisdom that was
1:03:25 given to the office which is expressed
1:03:27 in their actions and their approvals etc
1:03:29 which is essentially their sunnah
1:03:32 their tradition
1:03:34 and then he will be taught the torah the
1:03:36 torah here in the meaning of the
1:03:37 teaching now the teaching the torah let
1:03:38 me just make us a quick note because
1:03:41 many people get confused how the quran
1:03:42 used the word torah and there's actually
1:03:44 a video i will give it to likes
1:03:45 inshallah
1:03:46 he will give to you about the use of
1:03:48 torah because it gets confusing for many
1:03:51 people that the quran used the torah in
1:03:53 two differences one the standard
1:03:55 sentence is that what has revealed to
1:03:56 musa which is
1:03:58 slimmed down the water has built in the
1:04:00 tablets
1:04:02 plus what has been evil to musa of
1:04:04 wisdom and he expressed in his own
1:04:05 actions words and judgments
1:04:07 that's the torah teaching
1:04:09 so not only the tablets which is
1:04:11 supposed to be written by the divine
1:04:12 finger but also what musa uttered of
1:04:15 rulings and injunctions and so on by
1:04:18 divine inspiration
1:04:19 and because he is a prophet
1:04:22 he is obviously in deporting from the
1:04:24 divine is infallible otherwise the
1:04:26 prophethood will lose its meaning
1:04:28 if it is a fallibility then
1:04:31 then it will not be binding to the
1:04:32 people that people could say on the day
1:04:34 of judgement to god
1:04:36 this man commits mistakes he is not
1:04:39 infallible
1:04:41 how do we know that he is reporting from
1:04:43 you correctly
1:04:44 so it's if allah sends messenger allah
1:04:47 exists and he sends messengers to bring
1:04:49 his message then he's upon him to make
1:04:52 them infallible a reporting from him at
1:04:54 least and reporting from him in a
1:04:56 binding way so nobody can defeat him
1:04:58 nobody can argue with him in the
1:05:00 judgment and get away there's the
1:05:01 russian necessity so this is the torah
1:05:04 sometimes in the quran say
1:05:06 challenging the you the jews bring the
1:05:08 torah and read it
1:05:10 that's meaning the books they have in
1:05:11 their hand they call the torah they call
1:05:12 the torah these five test books that's
1:05:14 not the torah which is revealed
1:05:16 it contains some of the torah not all of
1:05:18 it because some of it has been lost
1:05:20 almost certainly but it can't it
1:05:22 contains that but it contains myths
1:05:24 stories and imagination and fabrications
1:05:28 as we have discussed in the creation of
1:05:29 adam so that's the truth
1:05:31 and the gospel the good news what is the
1:05:34 good news which is taught to isa
1:05:36 again it's used also the revelation to
1:05:38 essa we shall mostly we were not aware
1:05:42 of the tablets or some scroll coming
1:05:43 from heaven so he said that it doesn't
1:05:45 have something similar to the quran so
1:05:47 it's something different as as is is
1:05:50 that what he given to him which he gives
1:05:52 in parables and expressions on
1:05:54 what is the good news it's called the
1:05:55 good news why it's called the good news
1:05:57 because it says that the good news of he
1:05:59 himself is a good news i am the
1:06:00 messenger to you
1:06:02 to give you the last chance the children
1:06:03 of israel to get out of the historic
1:06:05 mess and correct your way which
1:06:07 obviously they failed and the studies
1:06:09 historically they finished and the game
1:06:11 is over this game over definitely
1:06:13 whatever they argue whatever talk about
1:06:15 semitism anti-semitism is not going to
1:06:17 change the reality history has with that
1:06:19 time
1:06:20 after after isa and destruction of
1:06:22 second temple scott alas they are the
1:06:24 footnote of history that's clearly
1:06:27 after there being the lead
1:06:29 leading nation of history which was
1:06:31 carried monotheism and carried the
1:06:33 beginning by the way the beginnings of
1:06:34 philosophy and so on started israel and
1:06:37 then and then in the during the
1:06:39 babylonian exiles some prophets and some
1:06:41 israelite scholars and then greece
1:06:43 escaped to egypt and they founded
1:06:45 schools of sophisticated knowledge and
1:06:47 so on and in which then plato and and
1:06:50 others have studied and socrates
1:06:53 so i don't think that's that's a
1:06:55 genuinely european creation it is really
1:06:57 coming from from egypt and the egypt
1:07:00 that has come by by fertilized by by
1:07:02 what came through the prophet israel so
1:07:04 that's that from that leading nation in
1:07:06 official intellectualism and fundamental
1:07:09 vision of the reality
1:07:10 they became a footnote of history so he
1:07:12 himself is amazing
1:07:14 gospel in that sense
1:07:18 he embodied this this good news this
1:07:20 final message but the good news
1:07:22 specifically he brought is the good news
1:07:24 of the kingdom the coming of the kingdom
1:07:26 which is miss or integrated miserable by
1:07:29 the christian as being the the life to
1:07:31 come after this world is not true the
1:07:32 kingdom who israel is announcing is the
1:07:35 one which will be uh propagated
1:07:38 established by a prophet come after him
1:07:40 which there was a mistrust in his name
1:07:41 as the comforter of the advocate
1:07:43 that's the that's the fire mr muhammad
1:07:45 that's the muslim interpretation and
1:07:47 that's what obviously can be from the
1:07:48 quran but that's for you to accept or
1:07:51 deny after all these evidences are
1:07:53 putting together and so do they together
1:07:55 or do not fit
1:07:57 and then further and he will let's talk
1:08:00 to mary he will be a messenger to the
1:08:03 people of israel to the children of
1:08:04 israel
1:08:05 saying this is telling him what you will
1:08:08 he will be saying
1:08:09 or
1:08:11 it is we have like a flash forward and
1:08:13 mentioning whatever but this could be
1:08:15 very well that because that's what will
1:08:16 be taught to him and that's what he
1:08:18 specifically has been created this way
1:08:20 and specifically how he appointed to be
1:08:23 the final messenger to the children of
1:08:25 israel
1:08:26 he will tell to them
1:08:27 and this is done talking in the eye in
1:08:29 the
1:08:30 first person i have come to you
1:08:33 with a sign from your lord
1:08:36 and
1:08:37 various signs are given it's interesting
1:08:38 to you one of them is nowhere to be
1:08:40 found except in some nativity goes well
1:08:42 i will
1:08:43 uh i will create a bed
1:08:46 like for you from mud or from clay and
1:08:49 then breathe in it and it will become
1:08:50 wet and fly away by god's permission
1:08:53 everywhere say god's permission is
1:08:54 invoked there it is not it's not by his
1:08:57 own aesthetic war is by god permission
1:08:58 and power given by god
1:09:04 and by god's permission heal men born
1:09:07 blind
1:09:09 and liberal livers
1:09:12 early pastors may be not a good
1:09:13 translations and other disease but
1:09:14 anyway also lepas were healed no doubt
1:09:16 about that
1:09:18 people who the skins can lay lesions and
1:09:20 mutilation
1:09:21 and give life to the dead and at least
1:09:24 in the in the current gospels we have at
1:09:26 least one resurrection story that famous
1:09:30 i will tell you
1:09:31 and this is also we don't find that
1:09:33 anywhere i think if i'm not mistaken we
1:09:35 have to check it in the various
1:09:37 canonical non-canonical gospels and
1:09:39 nativity and non-nativity i will tell
1:09:41 you what you eat and what you should
1:09:45 what you store in your homes not you
1:09:47 should what what you are stoning really
1:09:50 in your homes
1:09:52 for all of these is a sign for you
1:09:56 if you believe
1:10:00 i will be confirming he will talk during
1:10:02 the i would because it's essentially
1:10:04 summarizing the whole message of isa in
1:10:06 a few sentences and supposedly been
1:10:09 given this all this news given to maryam
1:10:12 before even he's conceived i will
1:10:14 confirm to what what has been available
1:10:16 or also revealed before me in the torah
1:10:19 in the teaching
1:10:20 but i will make certain permissions
1:10:22 which things shall be prohibited for you
1:10:25 i'll make them
1:10:26 permissible permissible
1:10:29 so he will ease some of the forbidden
1:10:31 of for prohibitions
1:10:33 so many people misunderstand he said the
1:10:36 prohibitions of the torah is not
1:10:37 necessary it could be prohibition made
1:10:40 by letter prophets or made by scribes by
1:10:43 their own creative
1:10:45 imagination because the quran uses the
1:10:48 passive term what has been prohibited in
1:10:50 you who prohibited
1:10:51 maybe it's good maybe in the torah maybe
1:10:53 other prophets maybe it's not gods maybe
1:10:55 just priests and so on inventing things
1:10:57 by head splitting as possible so few of
1:11:00 these things he will declare to be
1:11:02 lawful and permissible which has been
1:11:04 regarded as forbidden before
1:11:07 and i hope and then he
1:11:09 affirms i am i have brought you so many
1:11:11 signs from your lord
1:11:14 so be mindful of god and obey me
1:11:17 that's what we hear so in this already
1:11:20 seems to be true to maryam according to
1:11:21 the quran the whole message of isa is
1:11:24 summarized and given a given to it
1:11:26 otherwise he would be saying this and
1:11:27 this and this that's essentially if
1:11:29 we'll be saying and few main lines
1:11:31 without going into never ending details
1:11:33 and parables or that's all to expand
1:11:35 this fundamental message so two or three
1:11:37 lines there's no more than that it's not
1:11:39 you don't need more than that that's all
1:11:41 always there
1:11:43 god and that concluding god is my lord
1:11:45 and your lord
1:11:46 so worship him
1:11:48 this is a straight path
1:11:50 which obviously clearly refuting the
1:11:51 claim of the christian that he claims to
1:11:53 be divine anywhere or condone someone
1:11:55 claiming to be his divine no
1:11:58 although the canonical gospel really if
1:11:59 he looks cortana as clearly there's no
1:12:01 way he claiming to be divine or ask
1:12:04 people to worship him or declare himself
1:12:06 to be absolutely good and interact so
1:12:08 but he says god is my lord and your lord
1:12:12 so worship him alone this is the
1:12:14 straight path
1:12:17 so that's what
1:12:18 that's in surat ali imran but in this
1:12:21 it's not clear is that because it's
1:12:24 imran it was after the mission of
1:12:26 the zakaria and his foster and
1:12:29 guardianship were here and so on and
1:12:31 zacharias application for for a child
1:12:33 etc and they are mentioned in sequence
1:12:36 so you don't know did that happen in the
1:12:38 temple or did that happen it's happened
1:12:40 now in maryam we have a very significant
1:12:43 and interesting gratification
1:12:48 so
1:12:51 what happened really when was this this
1:12:53 this good news given to uh to maryam
1:12:57 when his circumstances
1:12:59 it's what
1:13:00 you may think it was in the temple
1:13:02 and it was the the quran or the writer
1:13:05 did not bother giving the details there
1:13:07 because there was a discussion of the
1:13:08 with the christian about the nature of
1:13:10 christ and the the challenge of the
1:13:12 mutual causation etc that that is not
1:13:15 divine that's the essential point not
1:13:18 what really did that but in surat maryam
1:13:20 there's a clarification which put really
1:13:22 the existing
1:13:24 gospels of nativity on a on a very
1:13:26 difficult spot or the quran very
1:13:28 difficult either one of them is an in
1:13:31 reconciliable what does it say for maria
1:13:35 after the this this part of what's the
1:13:37 career which we mentioned earlier as i
1:13:38 saw at maryam we mentioned the career
1:13:40 within two portions
1:13:42 then we went to maryam
1:13:43 and so on so that we have the sequence
1:13:46 maybe i should have it differently but i
1:13:47 think this way we will go back now to
1:13:50 maryam
1:13:51 after mentioning the career and yahya
1:13:53 and
1:13:54 invoking peace on him you know he's born
1:13:56 and
1:13:57 dies and when he's resurrected
1:14:12 foreign
1:14:36 foreign
1:15:03 foreign
1:15:49 let me translate and comment a bit but
1:15:52 maybe i'll translate it and then make
1:15:54 some comments
1:15:57 so mention in the book
1:15:58 the story of maryam
1:16:01 when she would draw from her
1:16:03 family
1:16:04 to a place toward the east
1:16:08 so this is not in the temple
1:16:10 yeah
1:16:12 she would draw from her family
1:16:14 and said in taberna that and tablet she
1:16:16 extracted herself
1:16:17 so it looks like she it was like a
1:16:19 little struggle
1:16:21 because
1:16:24 this was for example the untouchable
1:16:27 india called mahmoud the untouchable the
1:16:29 rejected one so she instructed herself
1:16:31 she rejected herself so they maybe have
1:16:33 some discussion and things like that and
1:16:35 she
1:16:36 pulled herself out from them maybe they
1:16:39 were not very happy about this
1:16:41 so how to understand that
1:16:48 i would understand that i feel for my
1:16:50 imagination but
1:16:51 following the story consistently
1:16:53 assuming the first part of the temple
1:16:55 thus essentially the apocrypha agree in
1:16:57 the essential core leave the story of
1:16:59 three years and twelve years and men's
1:17:01 emails and etc and
1:17:03 there they claim they got her married to
1:17:05 uh to joseph and so on uh to take care
1:17:08 of her etc etc because there's a
1:17:10 responsibility all of that we don't need
1:17:11 to bother if that's all in detail but
1:17:13 she was in the temple and she was an
1:17:16 exceptional personality that's it
1:17:18 clearly that was over quran does not
1:17:21 address how that was over
1:17:24 but from the language i would conclude
1:17:26 that
1:17:27 the
1:17:28 she is back to home most likely it's not
1:17:30 sad because there is no reason to
1:17:32 believe that there was any other place
1:17:33 because jesus
1:17:35 all everything starts from nazareth and
1:17:37 the name of the nazarene all of that
1:17:39 really
1:17:42 everything works together they said
1:17:44 that's that's where their home will have
1:17:46 been
1:17:47 it could have been that they have it at
1:17:48 the time she was in the temple that they
1:17:49 were in in jerusalem nearby so they can
1:17:52 visit and so on maybe but they moved
1:17:54 back maybe the original format senate
1:17:55 moved to because of the tumble to be
1:17:58 a temple being in jerusalem so to be
1:18:00 close to her daughter and they're
1:18:01 supposed to be according to all these
1:18:03 apocrypha the parents the father was
1:18:05 rich that's fine all of this is this is
1:18:06 not essential for me it's not as what's
1:18:08 essential is that they're back home and
1:18:10 most likely it is
1:18:13 nazareth
1:18:15 which is in galilee at the south end of
1:18:17 the
1:18:18 of the galilee lake of the legality of
1:18:20 the galaxy
1:18:23 she will draw the inhabitant it may be
1:18:26 she needed to extract herself by force
1:18:28 or something like that a little bit
1:18:31 it seemed to be maybe at that time she
1:18:33 got she got engaged or actually
1:18:35 withdrawed
1:18:36 a massive contract was that was made
1:18:39 with the with the joseph carpenter the
1:18:42 carpenter
1:18:43 and
1:18:44 it's a very common habit in arabia but
1:18:46 also in in in jews is that they make a
1:18:49 contract so the uh the future husband
1:18:52 and wife their husband and wife
1:18:53 illegally but they don't cohabit yet
1:18:55 they don't live together until the
1:18:56 husband establish a house and fill these
1:18:58 things up it takes or sometimes they do
1:19:01 it because the the daughter is busy with
1:19:03 with with some
1:19:05 with some study or something like that
1:19:07 so they postponed the consummation
1:19:09 with the usual consummation will end
1:19:11 with them with with with pregnancy and
1:19:13 so on and then obviously other
1:19:15 activities of the woman will be
1:19:17 undermined so she can't complete her
1:19:19 studies or complete their
1:19:21 attendance to temple or anything like
1:19:23 that
1:19:25 it has to be
1:19:26 a
1:19:27 a time like a year or two years are
1:19:29 agreed upon and this time that the
1:19:30 prevention of the house and so like that
1:19:32 maybe something like that
1:19:34 possibly she was not very happy with
1:19:36 that or happy that the marriage would be
1:19:38 immediately consummated and she insisted
1:19:40 on a separation in a time when she goes
1:19:42 for devotion
1:19:43 goes for something like
1:19:45 a monastery or
1:19:46 or none life
1:19:48 how do we know that
1:19:50 because
1:19:52 first of all she would drew and took a
1:19:54 place in the east
1:19:56 and then she was a have a veil between
1:19:58 her and them the she was in a seclusion
1:20:00 veil is a complete veil like a character
1:20:02 like a wall
1:20:03 why the east that's all there is
1:20:05 significance nowhere in in the apocrypha
1:20:07 or the
1:20:08 guesswork there gospel anything we're
1:20:10 talking about the east here going to the
1:20:12 east if there's anything going to be
1:20:13 about that and giving birth is going to
1:20:15 bethlehem and so on
1:20:17 is completely different there's nothing
1:20:18 of that
1:20:20 why the east if they were at the time
1:20:22 jerusalem then the east
1:20:24 is
1:20:24 at the tip of the dead sea at the end of
1:20:26 the river jordan there's a
1:20:28 well-established community with
1:20:30 monastery which is we know that from the
1:20:32 dead scrolls and also some ancient
1:20:34 jewish writing was what was was occupied
1:20:37 by the so-called essence or like an
1:20:39 escaped jewish sect which tend to be
1:20:41 having uh inclination to have more
1:20:44 monasteries and things like that they
1:20:45 all secluded that and they have villages
1:20:48 there and they are the one who buried
1:20:50 these literatures in the caves which are
1:20:52 called the dead sea scrolls
1:20:55 that's one option another option they
1:20:56 have been india which i prefer here is
1:20:58 what
1:21:09 somewhere there
1:21:10 east will be toward the the
1:21:14 the starting point of the jordan and
1:21:16 there's
1:21:17 and that place may have been also
1:21:19 because it's close to water and water
1:21:21 facility and that's very important water
1:21:23 and daily bad thing
1:21:24 and and and purification is very
1:21:26 important for us kids so if there's any
1:21:28 asceticism really there
1:21:30 i don't know if there have been someone
1:21:32 can check that or someone of you who is
1:21:33 interested in archaeology may go and
1:21:35 check that about
1:21:37 that area if it has some archaeological
1:21:39 artifacts showing that there have been
1:21:40 some villagers and they almost like they
1:21:42 might have been but but maybe special
1:21:44 villages which look like the one in
1:21:45 qumran near the east of jerusalem maybe
1:21:49 maybe not but this is not important
1:21:50 because you could have have some kind of
1:21:53 a temporary monastery there by having
1:21:55 tents and the water is nearby and so on
1:21:57 and you can seclude yourself in a tent
1:21:59 as well as in a structure but it
1:22:01 possibly structured
1:22:02 so she would draw to the east obviously
1:22:05 to finish at time let's say for one year
1:22:07 since i will go for one year into
1:22:09 a sceptic life while this husband
1:22:13 is
1:22:14 preparing for that
1:22:16 it does not mean that she's rejecting
1:22:17 the marriage but she felt that she has
1:22:19 to have like a year of preparation
1:22:21 spiritual preparation for the marital
1:22:22 life coming from the obviously and the
1:22:25 youthful development as a temple deva
1:22:28 devotee
1:22:29 going to malaysia life immediately is
1:22:31 like
1:22:32 feels like a shock or a major change
1:22:34 and she decided then to extract her
1:22:36 obviously family was not
1:22:38 clearly not extremely happy with that
1:22:40 with this arrangement but she
1:22:42 was able to persuade them and she
1:22:44 extracted herself that's the word
1:22:46 intimidate intimate she does not
1:22:48 withdraw in sahaba or she she won't know
1:22:51 she covered that she discarded herself
1:22:53 she became black and she outcasted
1:22:55 herself not without going to the extreme
1:22:57 or being outcast or being untouchable
1:23:00 but something like that
1:23:01 it's more than just withdrawing from
1:23:03 temple mechanics toward the east
1:23:05 northern east and this fits logically in
1:23:08 the location either in jerusalem to
1:23:10 qumran in the east at the tip of the
1:23:12 dead sea and where the jordan ends there
1:23:15 roughly that area
1:23:16 or a little bit north pakistan is not
1:23:19 very big by the way if you look at the
1:23:20 map you will be surprised it's a very
1:23:22 small country
1:23:23 or go to north maybe 100 kilometer 100
1:23:26 something maybe 200 i don't know i
1:23:28 didn't measure it take a look to google
1:23:30 map you will find it easily
1:23:32 that's
1:23:32 it go east
1:23:35 then you will enter the jordan and this
1:23:37 is the essentially the jordan when it's
1:23:38 emerged from the galilee sea or the lake
1:23:41 of galilee
1:23:42 with fresh water and facilities of our
1:23:44 vasquez
1:23:46 so she will draw there this seems
1:23:48 logical the quran does not i see she
1:23:50 extracted herself
1:23:52 to the east
1:23:54 and secluded here from there fall from
1:23:56 that
1:23:59 fatherhood
1:24:12 so even if they visit they would visit
1:24:14 obviously from time to time if if the
1:24:16 agreements were one year then they will
1:24:18 be visit from some time to time but even
1:24:20 if they visit she's behind the wheel
1:24:23 complete seclusion devotion
1:24:29 so that fits the idea that she went
1:24:31 maybe in something like a monastery
1:24:33 either either a well structured
1:24:35 well-developed monastery like the one in
1:24:37 qumran which is well established by
1:24:39 archaeological founds and also
1:24:41 fines and also by by the disease cross
1:24:43 or something similar maybe less
1:24:45 sophisticated at uh at uh uh uh
1:24:49 maybe as sophisticated i don't know i'm
1:24:50 not i'm not familiar with that with uh
1:24:53 with the archaeology of that area around
1:24:55 the beginning of the river jordan
1:24:57 starting from the glacier of galilee
1:25:00 there so that's that's that situation
1:25:02 there
1:25:03 most likely
1:25:05 and when israel are secluded here from
1:25:07 from them it does not take give give
1:25:09 really credit to the word hijab vail she
1:25:11 took away between her she's not a
1:25:13 secular but even behind the veil so even
1:25:15 if they visit she's behind the veil
1:25:19 okay
1:25:24 the moment she was there and she settled
1:25:26 and the bear is there
1:25:27 maybe after one visit of them
1:25:32 we sent to hear our spirit
1:25:36 who appeared to her
1:25:38 in the shape of a perfect man human
1:25:42 our spirit
1:25:44 usually when the holy ghost the word
1:25:46 spirit
1:25:47 or our spirit
1:25:49 it means one of the main angels usually
1:25:51 gabriel is regarded as spirit but it is
1:25:53 not absolutely system most likely
1:25:55 some of the apocrypha
1:25:57 is very clearly about gabriel
1:26:01 so it's gabriel this the under quran
1:26:03 conventions with
1:26:04 us
1:26:14 which is gabriel
1:26:16 clearly doesn't mean that allah has a
1:26:18 spirit and a body and the spirituality
1:26:19 this is obviously nonsensical that's
1:26:21 very clear even even the classics even
1:26:23 the people most simple-minded people
1:26:24 never nobody ever said something like
1:26:26 that anyway so that's after we send our
1:26:28 spirit
1:26:30 who appeared to hear
1:26:32 in the shape of a perfect man
1:26:35 took the shape of help as appearing to
1:26:37 her
1:26:40 she said
1:26:41 she was a state of shock imagine or
1:26:43 behind the veil
1:26:44 devoted completely for his ascetism
1:27:01 my seclusion because it seems to be
1:27:04 under she's right to say that because if
1:27:05 that's really a monastery area then
1:27:07 everyone in the area and everyone
1:27:09 passing there no these are people
1:27:11 seclusion for worship and for for more
1:27:13 for
1:27:14 for uh
1:27:15 for devotion and ascetism
1:27:18 nobody will enter in their seclusion
1:27:20 disturb their peace
1:27:22 someone doing that is extraordinary is
1:27:25 not to be expected it's shocking
1:27:31 he said
1:27:34 i am a messenger from your lord
1:27:39 your lord is saying i will give you an
1:27:41 order to give you a son
1:27:43 endowed with purity
1:27:45 a very pure sun
1:27:47 this is a tall order
1:27:50 naturally you will not believe that but
1:27:51 obviously that's the quran is usually
1:27:53 abbreviating these things
1:27:55 and
1:27:57 clearly say no no i am from your lord
1:27:58 and this is the evidence fraud here
1:28:00 maybe some angelic aspects or remind her
1:28:02 of his voice when he was addressing here
1:28:05 in the temple because in the temple she
1:28:06 was addressed by the angels possibly one
1:28:08 of them is gabriel
1:28:10 don't know so she he made her remember
1:28:12 me on research i appeared in that form
1:28:15 let me go into that form or something
1:28:16 because at the time she was hearing
1:28:18 maybe i'm not seeing very much or seeing
1:28:20 maybe just a light on the wall or
1:28:21 something or there's something like a
1:28:23 cloud we don't know what she was seeing
1:28:24 in the temple but not in a form of a man
1:28:26 or something like that but now in this
1:28:28 shocking form
1:28:30 which is sheikh well may have made here
1:28:33 being shaking but obviously he
1:28:34 introduced herself i came to on the
1:28:37 divine order to give you a purified son
1:28:41 and
1:28:43 almost certainly he
1:28:46 brought some evidences and made certain
1:28:48 correspondence with her pastor she but
1:28:49 when we conclude now safely and she felt
1:28:52 now
1:28:53 now she's relieved
1:28:55 but still she is
1:28:57 some of the question she said how can i
1:28:59 have a son
1:29:01 now in this here the the word son
1:29:05 although
1:29:07 i mean meaning meaning a
1:29:09 very young boy or a boy who's about
1:29:11 poverty but the word ghalam is used how
1:29:13 can i have a ghoul or kind of a son or a
1:29:16 boy
1:29:21 when no man has touched me yet because
1:29:24 if we assume that she was really
1:29:25 betrayed but no there was no
1:29:26 conservation so it was not touched and i
1:29:29 have not been a promiscuous woman
1:29:33 i'm not a lose woman i lose woman
1:29:35 expected to to be easily conceiving
1:29:40 but not neither the case nor have been
1:29:42 touched in a legitimate way by marriage
1:29:44 not yet at least if she has already be
1:29:46 thrown by to joseph
1:29:51 and then you say
1:29:53 do your lord say that nothing
1:29:55 i'm just bringing you the message that's
1:29:56 his command
1:29:57 it is easy for me the lord says it's
1:30:00 easy for me and we will make him a sign
1:30:03 to people and the mercy from us
1:30:07 the matter is really determined we are
1:30:08 not discussing with you i'm just telling
1:30:10 you what has been determined that's it
1:30:11 but be be at least pacified you will be
1:30:14 assigned to the people and the mercy
1:30:16 without going into the details which was
1:30:18 done in ali imran what he would be doing
1:30:20 what would be his message obviously
1:30:22 if that's for divine revelation then
1:30:24 this is just a very short version of the
1:30:26 expansion there
1:30:29 so
1:30:38 conceived him
1:30:40 now in some apocrypha he blew in his ear
1:30:43 we find some
1:30:45 some
1:30:46 islamic exegesis he lifted up her dress
1:30:49 and blew there
1:30:50 we don't need really to indulge in that
1:30:52 if you indulge in that to make you a
1:30:54 little bit uh appear a little bit
1:30:56 simple-minded as stupid
1:30:59 if this is a miraculous conception by
1:31:01 any sense
1:31:02 then though the mechanism of the code
1:31:04 there are tons of mechanisms who can do
1:31:06 that you don't need to whisper in the
1:31:08 ear
1:31:09 or blow under the dress or something
1:31:11 even lifted this
1:31:12 this but people imagination sometimes go
1:31:15 runs wild or they be influenced by some
1:31:18 stories or sometimes they invent things
1:31:20 like that to assert that is no there's
1:31:23 no sexuality no touching of the private
1:31:25 one
1:31:26 only on the ear something like that okay
1:31:28 it may be forgiven if someone thinks
1:31:30 like that and added the story but it's
1:31:32 irrelevant
1:31:34 so she conceived him
1:31:37 and then after conception
1:31:39 she cons she would drew even to a remote
1:31:42 place
1:31:43 that place is maybe
1:31:45 there's too much traffic so much for you
1:31:47 going back and forth
1:31:49 my guess my best guess
1:31:51 in a place where still it's like a
1:31:54 monastery
1:31:55 but it's still far away because in that
1:31:57 area it is in that side of the jordan
1:31:59 the west side of jordan not far away
1:32:01 from nazareth maybe how far away
1:32:03 20 kilometers 15 someone you could pick
1:32:06 the google map and i will pick it for
1:32:08 next time michelle i forgot to measure
1:32:09 it really a short distance maybe just
1:32:12 one day traveling from the family so
1:32:14 this distance there's a very good
1:32:16 probability that someone from the
1:32:17 village who knows here or her family may
1:32:20 come past and see uh see her a sign of
1:32:23 pregnancy at least down the road and
1:32:25 this will be a major issue for the time
1:32:27 being at least
1:32:29 so my guess is that she crossed over to
1:32:31 the other side of the jordan went a
1:32:33 little bit deeper there and usually the
1:32:35 jordan is like a separation between the
1:32:37 the israeli israel and the arabs and the
1:32:39 other side if you went there but it does
1:32:41 not mean that there is no israelite
1:32:42 there because we are now talking about
1:32:44 that uh
1:32:45 about palestine and the arabian roman
1:32:48 occupation we have pakistan we have the
1:32:50 control we have everyone there and
1:32:52 ultimately under the under the ultimate
1:32:55 command and rulership of the syrian the
1:32:58 syrian governor in behalf of the empire
1:33:00 etc although there are local governments
1:33:01 and procreators etc but that is the one
1:33:04 in syria which is control of that area
1:33:06 so
1:33:07 you could see the the that that the
1:33:09 division line of the time passed which
1:33:11 was very harsh is now very soft people
1:33:13 can go over and so on not that
1:33:15 frequently but usually and they don't
1:33:17 have very much livelihood there so
1:33:19 unlikely that someone will cross the
1:33:20 jordan and go there maybe some villages
1:33:23 there she can be that's where there's a
1:33:25 remote place
1:33:26 to ride a remote place across the river
1:33:29 that's extremely unlikely anyone
1:33:32 anyone will be will be uh will be going
1:33:35 there and see here with obviously with
1:33:37 the sign of pregnancy which is very
1:33:38 difficult to answer what would be the
1:33:40 question what's going on
1:33:41 and possibly this is happened by the
1:33:43 instruction of the angels so go there
1:33:45 nobody will see you until the due time
1:33:52 so
1:33:58 so she conceived and she moved to a
1:34:01 remote place further east vs the only
1:34:03 place we
1:34:04 it will be nonsensical to go west that
1:34:06 will be closer to her place north is
1:34:08 also still in the in the in the
1:34:10 palestinian side not in the area and
1:34:13 this is so close to her under the desert
1:34:15 the sea of galileo combine most of the
1:34:16 race south or closer to even more busy
1:34:19 area toward jerusalem does not make any
1:34:21 sense that these things will be further
1:34:22 east a remote place east continues
1:34:26 so
1:34:33 to enforce that it is east really in the
1:34:35 other side is that later with the talk
1:34:37 about a palm tree and usually in the in
1:34:40 the palestinian side i don't think there
1:34:42 is any relevant countries the countries
1:34:45 there may be some are planted recently
1:34:47 and so on but at that time it was not
1:34:49 not really a palm tree country says that
1:34:50 or leave country the country is in the
1:34:52 other side and still now the best palm
1:34:54 trees are the other side
1:34:56 so she went there in a parliament maybe
1:34:58 maybe you know all shots of palms and
1:35:00 things like that which you can hide and
1:35:01 easily and then have a seclusion and
1:35:03 possibly there's also a sketchman and
1:35:05 arrangement for that at that time
1:35:11 then
1:35:12 childbirth came and the pain of a child
1:35:15 birth
1:35:16 possible she was in an open space maybe
1:35:18 like like a like a like a wonder word
1:35:21 space they should drove here to a trunk
1:35:24 over palm tree nearby
1:35:28 and then because of the pain and the
1:35:30 fear and the suffering and the whole
1:35:31 situation she said
1:35:33 oh i wish i had been dead
1:35:36 and forgotten
1:35:38 before
1:35:39 all of this i wish i would have been
1:35:40 dead and never even created quran with
1:35:42 this calamity pain of shall birth the
1:35:46 fear of what will be the scandal what
1:35:48 will be what i am going to manage the
1:35:49 situation she knows it's by divine
1:35:51 injustice something divinely prepared
1:35:53 but still human nature what it is now
1:35:55 you are suffering and now you don't know
1:35:57 what will happen what would be the
1:35:58 solution not maybe she definitely she
1:36:01 was not instructed about that and she
1:36:03 wished that she would have died long ago
1:36:06 but then
1:36:08 or his child birth will complete and the
1:36:10 born child
1:36:13 called her from below
1:36:22 childhood
1:36:29 some people say an angel but it's most
1:36:30 likely himself
1:36:32 do not grief
1:36:34 your lord have provided a stream
1:36:37 beneath you
1:36:38 and then you just shake the volume tree
1:36:40 a little bit and then it will fall
1:36:42 uh mature
1:36:43 uh
1:36:44 uh
1:36:45 dates
1:36:47 and from rotom soft is not you know they
1:36:50 start being either red or yellow
1:36:52 fab
1:36:53 and then they in the late summer like
1:36:55 around september
1:36:57 because of the summer heat and so on
1:36:59 they become soft and become like dates
1:37:01 not like whatever what they have the
1:37:03 like like the which
1:37:10 very good first class state and we know
1:37:12 that area has one of the best states in
1:37:13 the world anyway we know from now it
1:37:15 must be from that time also
1:37:17 so shake the trunk and then so so eat
1:37:19 and drink
1:37:21 and relax and be happy
1:37:24 and don't bother about what will happen
1:37:25 with the people
1:37:29 so if you meet anybody some any anybody
1:37:32 and they ask or something like that
1:37:34 point that you have a vowel of silence
1:37:35 meaning power to your mouth into the
1:37:37 heaven i cannot talk i have a vowel of
1:37:39 sinus
1:37:52 okay so
1:37:55 what we ended
1:38:02 is that uh is that it yeah no no still
1:38:05 you know so we we we got we finished
1:38:08 that part and then we would have started
1:38:10 maybe some discussion
1:38:12 so she said she's supposed to be selling
1:38:14 from by instruction of the angel or the
1:38:16 child it's most like the child himself
1:38:21 giving you that instruction according to
1:38:22 the secrets of that
1:38:28 then based on that now she is encouraged
1:38:32 and then she carries him and go back to
1:38:33 her people
1:38:35 now let us imagine her situation
1:38:42 she carries the baby crosses the jaw if
1:38:45 she has on the east side which is most
1:38:46 likely crossing over
1:38:50 the distance maybe one day travel or
1:38:51 something like that
1:38:53 like any reasonable sensible woman she
1:38:55 would not be traveling by day so that if
1:38:56 you can see here carrying a baby maybe
1:38:58 someone she knows her will meet her so
1:39:00 we can assume just by rational
1:39:02 consideration that she was traveling
1:39:05 most of the time
1:39:06 if she is moving especially when she
1:39:08 came close to her village
1:39:10 not sorry she was traveling late in the
1:39:12 evening by night so when she arrived in
1:39:14 the village it's dark at night
1:39:16 nobody sees her essentially
1:39:18 it's not public travel it's a hidden
1:39:20 trouble
1:39:21 that's what we could we may visit so
1:39:23 after she travels until she gets home
1:39:26 knocks the door and enter
1:39:28 and the people everyone is in shock
1:39:30 to see her coming with a baby
1:39:32 most likely the shock is even compound
1:39:34 because the poor's joseph possibly if
1:39:36 she was already betrothed to him but to
1:39:38 him is preparing the household as well
1:39:40 and she comes with a baby massive shock
1:39:42 massive scrandal in a very conservative
1:39:44 extremely conservative society
1:39:48 even in non-conservative it will be a
1:39:49 shock but because it will be a double
1:39:51 shock
1:39:52 on this out of their mind
1:39:55 i'll say sister of harold then so many
1:39:58 people misunderstood the sister of
1:39:59 heroin they think our own of the
1:40:01 brotherhood yeah she's sister of our own
1:40:02 because she is she is aronite this is
1:40:05 the indication that she from tribal iron
1:40:07 the arabic expression sister of harun
1:40:09 when for example people tell me
1:40:11 was the sister of the wasser or brother
1:40:13 of the wasser because i am from the
1:40:15 tribe of the wasser this is an arabic
1:40:16 expression exactly a dramatic expression
1:40:19 exactly like the expression which is
1:40:20 also arabs and jews share this one
1:40:23 hebrew
1:40:24 is like for example son of 50 years
1:40:27 meaning he his age is 50 years we we say
1:40:30 he is a son of 50 years obviously 50
1:40:32 years are not are not your mother nor if
1:40:34 you are their son but it's the divine
1:40:36 expression the son of 50 years of son of
1:40:38 60 years meeting a man or a woman of the
1:40:41 age of 60 years so this amid you from
1:40:44 talib a tribe of aaron and the tribal
1:40:46 islands the levites or who are mostly
1:40:48 priests and people are supposed to be
1:40:50 people of god
1:40:51 and your father was a was a
1:40:54 was a good man a man of good invitation
1:40:56 and your mother was was not known to be
1:40:58 a loser woman who come home with her
1:40:59 with a child
1:41:01 then she points to him she doesn't talk
1:41:05 to her
1:41:06 we can assume along the way nobody
1:41:08 intercepted her nobody will recognize
1:41:10 her because traveling at night most
1:41:11 likely like any sensible woman will do
1:41:13 in such a critical situation
1:41:17 so she points to him
1:41:19 and they say
1:41:20 we must be out of mind how can we talk
1:41:22 to our baby in the cradle
1:41:25 now the shock of all history comes for
1:41:27 them at the moment
1:41:29 he said to them
1:41:31 i am the servant of god again the quran
1:41:33 stresses that he has servant of god not
1:41:34 the son of god not that when you say
1:41:35 what a messiah
1:41:37 seventh for the moment he's the messiah
1:41:39 is announced to his mother but he's the
1:41:40 servant god
1:41:42 he has given me the book
1:41:44 and made me a prophet
1:41:48 now this is obviously a situation where
1:41:50 you become a believer if you're
1:41:52 disbeliever that's very clear this is a
1:41:54 miracle worship
1:41:56 but he describes himself father that
1:41:58 description here
1:42:00 is is obviously to stress various
1:42:03 attributes and reject various other
1:42:05 attributes attributed to him in the
1:42:06 carnotinal gospel and he has made me a
1:42:10 blessed a blessed person wherever i i am
1:42:13 directed
1:42:15 and
1:42:16 and he ordered me to to establish prayer
1:42:19 and to give charity
1:42:21 all my life
1:42:23 and be full of kindness toward my mother
1:42:27 this is also an answer the republican
1:42:30 republication of certain parts even in
1:42:32 the in the canonical gospels in which he
1:42:34 is addressing his mother harshly can't
1:42:36 be this says no that's not true that's a
1:42:39 publication and he had if that's true
1:42:41 obviously yeah that's what assume it is
1:42:43 true that's a publication and he has not
1:42:46 made me domineering or rebellious
1:42:48 exactly the same what he said by very
1:42:50 soft very gentle full of kindness
1:42:53 despite yeah he was very strict in his
1:42:55 own self-control and he was harshly even
1:42:58 he is not necessarily like that but in
1:43:00 both i'll share that
1:43:02 and then
1:43:04 and then he invokes god peace on himself
1:43:06 when he's born and when he
1:43:08 he dies and who is resurrected
1:43:11 and here the form used similar to the
1:43:13 unusual but is more more forceful
1:43:16 because we have salam peace on him
1:43:19 here it is the peace all the peace so
1:43:21 it's more more higher ranking
1:43:24 or more all god's peace on him when he
1:43:26 is born when he dies and he was
1:43:28 resurrected for for
1:43:30 it was peace on him
1:43:32 and usually a tariff the same with that
1:43:34 is more more more more forceful more
1:43:37 stronger than without that
1:43:39 all possible peace
1:43:42 and the quran the comments quickly such
1:43:44 as jesus the son of maryam the word of
1:43:46 truth about which they are disputing
1:43:49 that's actually
1:43:50 quran is not a discussion in medina
1:43:52 later but already in mecca there was
1:43:53 some dispute with some people mostly and
1:43:56 then and uh
1:43:57 about this issue and the dispute was
1:43:58 ongoing for centuries before that
1:44:01 it doesn't
1:44:02 then denies completely any issues of
1:44:03 god's son it doesn't be fit for god to
1:44:06 have a son it's impossible it's actually
1:44:08 rationally impossible that is the issue
1:44:09 of the eu philosophy which will come one
1:44:11 day in allah possibly to discuss that
1:44:13 from a purely philosophical and and
1:44:15 ontological and epistemological point of
1:44:17 view
1:44:18 and we discuss also the trinity in some
1:44:20 aspects and this show where where the
1:44:22 problem has come
1:44:25 so god is allah is excited about having
1:44:28 a son or having offspring because
1:44:30 foreign existing being this is
1:44:31 impossible
1:44:33 but that but but the people attributed
1:44:36 that because with this miraculous breath
1:44:37 which they have received the information
1:44:39 at least bits of information about they
1:44:41 thought the only way to understand is
1:44:42 the pagan way the pagan way of
1:44:45 if
1:44:46 if a woman is pregnant
1:44:48 and no human
1:44:50 traces it then people assume or claim or
1:44:53 cover up by claiming one of the gods
1:44:55 took a human shape and slept with her
1:44:58 usual sleeping
1:44:59 with with ejaculation and semen and so
1:45:01 on this is obviously all pagan way of
1:45:03 thinking about god and and
1:45:06 divinity is completely out of the
1:45:08 ordinary has nothing to do with the
1:45:09 scripture or the revelation which god is
1:45:12 obviously the one services in the old
1:45:14 testament say
1:45:16 his name when the most asked what what
1:45:18 which name should i give tell the people
1:45:19 your name say tell them the ones in me
1:45:21 who said he is or i am i am the one who
1:45:24 exists eternally i am that's all that he
1:45:27 is
1:45:28 there's nobody no no no no no no no
1:45:31 further attributes the stuff that
1:45:32 they'll externally necessarily existing
1:45:35 so such an entity is impossible to split
1:45:37 impossible to to procreate that does not
1:45:40 make any sense whatsoever
1:45:42 manifestly absolute
1:45:45 whatever allah wants we say b and it
1:45:48 happens so this miraculous breath does
1:45:50 not indicate in a divine origin it is
1:45:52 just b and it happens
1:45:55 and then
1:45:56 he himself saying attributed to you say
1:45:58 the god is my lord and your lord
1:46:01 worship him that's the straight path
1:46:03 again repeated so i think
1:46:10 there's one small one ayah in sort of
1:46:14 which
1:46:15 it gives an interesting twist so if my
1:46:18 explanation like that
1:46:20 with what i added from my
1:46:22 regard to my reasonable try to fill the
1:46:24 story to make it fits in space and time
1:46:27 of that time reasonably she so she comes
1:46:29 home
1:46:30 it's evening
1:46:31 only the family sees that so it's a
1:46:33 private miracle only the family knows
1:46:35 that there's no wonder that is not known
1:46:37 widely for anyone include the discussion
1:46:39 through the other claims of the other
1:46:41 fake stories which have been refuted
1:46:43 with historical grounds and other
1:46:45 grounds
1:46:46 secondly and that that course on that
1:46:48 easter side going to the east and uh
1:46:51 giving birth under palm tree is unique
1:46:53 to the quran it's nowhere in any of the
1:46:55 nativity stories neither in the
1:46:58 uh
1:46:58 evangelion but proto-evangelion of
1:47:01 of jacob nor in the nativity story of
1:47:04 thomas nor in the one that one allegedly
1:47:08 the the one who is earliest to be
1:47:09 translated in arabic nor in the armenian
1:47:12 version none of them have exist
1:47:14 absolutely none whatsoever that's number
1:47:16 one but there's a small bit which may be
1:47:19 affirmed that what i have
1:47:21 suggested suggestions
1:47:23 don't say that just give us the the main
1:47:25 steps
1:47:26 is that in
1:47:27 surat uh
1:47:30 and mommy noon we have the following
1:47:32 interesting after mentioning various
1:47:33 messengers i will just quickly go
1:47:34 through that without translation after
1:47:37 version of various messengers and what
1:47:39 happened to their the people rejecting
1:47:41 them and then musa and harun have been
1:47:43 saying that happened to them etc and
1:47:46 and what happened to
1:47:48 to pharaoh and his people and how they
1:47:49 were destructed and the musa had been
1:47:51 given the scripture so that
1:47:54 his people and mankind can be guided
1:48:01 what
1:48:02 is and we made the son of mary and his
1:48:05 mother assad
1:48:09 in that economy and then we sheltered
1:48:11 them
1:48:12 we
1:48:14 gave them dwelling in
1:48:16 a high plain or
1:48:18 a hill
1:48:19 the translator translated the hill but
1:48:21 it's really hell is tall
1:48:23 rubble is much larger than a hill it's
1:48:25 like a flat hill or the top is very wide
1:48:28 maybe going up to the horizon is a high
1:48:30 plane
1:48:31 which has
1:48:32 in the translation here the marine is
1:48:35 water supply and
1:48:37 is like orchard and grazing land let me
1:48:40 see
1:48:44 you see and we made the the son of mary
1:48:47 and his mother assigned
1:48:50 for whom is not just aside and sheltered
1:48:52 them
1:48:53 within a hill i say it's really a high
1:48:56 plane not a hill but okay
1:48:58 where there is
1:49:00 a middle and the flowing spring that's
1:49:03 the magnaflow spring and the middle is
1:49:05 the color
1:49:07 so my my my visualization is that
1:49:11 mary and her son made a sign for mankind
1:49:14 for us later when we get the news but
1:49:15 before that
1:49:17 when she surprised her family
1:49:19 saw that sign
1:49:21 but now
1:49:24 we face a problem this miracle is
1:49:26 happening specifically for them
1:49:28 obviously they have discussed that
1:49:30 consulted
1:49:31 and joseph has been
1:49:32 drawn in in this discussion most likely
1:49:34 if it is already
1:49:36 without which fits with the other parts
1:49:38 of canonical non-canonical and then
1:49:42 maybe a decision made
1:49:44 is the best that you take your wife
1:49:46 and go to some remote place settle for
1:49:49 some time and come after some years with
1:49:51 the child and nobody will know that the
1:49:53 child will appeal to everyone as if it's
1:49:55 your own son because we cannot confront
1:49:57 the people with that and maybe the child
1:50:00 told them i not speak to anybody else
1:50:02 manage the situation or even give him
1:50:04 his instructions
1:50:06 by by divine if i divine revelation to
1:50:08 him so i would say this is very logical
1:50:10 too that they've been harboured or
1:50:12 sheltered
1:50:13 to this meadow with in a high plain with
1:50:16 with their with the with flowing water
1:50:19 they're in their in palestine maybe
1:50:21 hills and middles like that in higher
1:50:23 planes but it's too close
1:50:25 so the only place which makes sense is
1:50:27 again across the jordan like the high
1:50:30 plain near yarmouk where the battlefield
1:50:32 was happened and there are running small
1:50:34 riverlets and there are meadows
1:50:37 or the high plains of syria
1:50:40 behind the
1:50:41 golan heights or even the vasculars
1:50:43 these areas are higher planes which have
1:50:45 small rivers waters is plenty and
1:50:47 meadows
1:50:48 and grazing land
1:50:51 so if they if they've gone anywhere and
1:50:53 this to be assumed that okay
1:50:56 choose a represent you see the miracles
1:50:58 they understand that
1:51:00 and then
1:51:01 going out
1:51:03 over the over the high plains uh the
1:51:06 into the east or the northeast
1:51:08 settling there for a few years and
1:51:10 coming back when the child is grown up
1:51:12 and they think is joseph's child she
1:51:14 gave birth there nobody knows about this
1:51:16 situation so i would say from that
1:51:19 if we understand that and and and fill
1:51:21 the story with some reasonable bits as i
1:51:24 feel that's as i said this is only my my
1:51:26 filling based on the main highlights
1:51:29 what what could have happened in between
1:51:31 in a reasonable rational way without
1:51:34 adding too much miracles and
1:51:35 supernatural things unless necessary
1:51:38 assuming that quranic
1:51:39 uh
1:51:41 story is valid
1:51:43 then the high plane would that has
1:51:45 nothing to do with egypt or the flight
1:51:46 to egypt only all of this is nothing
1:51:48 what is it what this could be is
1:51:50 crossing over to jordan or north east
1:51:52 toward the high plains of golan and
1:51:54 syria that's also the possibility and
1:51:56 they stayed there several years and came
1:51:57 with a child which is for publicly for
1:52:00 everyone they shall so this
1:52:02 this is like let's say a family
1:52:04 miraculous private paradise was not
1:52:07 widespread nobody knew about that and if
1:52:10 you go to that that video later maybe
1:52:12 you know if you don't if you haven't
1:52:13 seen it about the christmas story this
1:52:16 never happened as we discussed in that
1:52:17 video which is true the discussion is i
1:52:19 think is very penetrating although i
1:52:21 said in some points they fall into this
1:52:24 generalization or categoric
1:52:26 fallacy but generally discussion and the
1:52:28 historic evidences and the course
1:52:29 referencing with with whatever known
1:52:31 from roman history or jesus and things
1:52:33 like that prove with certitude that the
1:52:35 story of going to bethlehem the story of
1:52:39 of the census and they needed to travel
1:52:41 to their ancestral cities all of these
1:52:43 attachments is absurd is manifestly
1:52:45 absorbed
1:52:48 so that story is definitely did not
1:52:49 happen what happened nobody knows
1:52:52 if it ever happened
1:52:53 if anything happened which makes sense
1:52:55 fits in the landscape and the time
1:52:58 is this but provided this
1:53:01 it demands miraculous uh conception
1:53:05 or supra by civil initial intervention
1:53:07 and there is various uh so it will not
1:53:10 be pleasing for the atheists obviously
1:53:12 and so on but but the question which we
1:53:15 the reason i'm
1:53:16 displaying that is to discuss first of
1:53:18 all that last bit
1:53:21 from the palm tree before that from the
1:53:23 seclusion to the east or from the
1:53:25 withdrawal to the east or the or the uh
1:53:29 self-extracting to the eastwood with a
1:53:30 bit of difficulties whatever it is
1:53:32 withdrawal of self-extracting
1:53:35 and then the pregnancy there everything
1:53:38 behind vail everything far away from
1:53:40 everyone eyesight nobody knows about air
1:53:43 there coming back maybe most likely by
1:53:45 fog at night which is dictated by
1:53:47 rationality
1:53:48 and only the family being surprised
1:53:51 maybe after after that surprise that
1:53:53 maybe they they just discussed the whole
1:53:55 situation possibly the child is involved
1:53:57 with construction we don't know or the
1:53:59 interest involved we don't know
1:54:01 and then they go to the high plain to
1:54:03 the east or the south east that's jordan
1:54:05 or syria norway egypt egypt is far away
1:54:07 the opposite direction doesn't make any
1:54:09 sense whatsoever
1:54:11 i thought that explained why
1:54:13 all of that is highly private and only
1:54:16 just a child the
1:54:18 the miraculous birth is is known only to
1:54:21 family members and few people and even
1:54:23 isa later in his message never addressed
1:54:25 that or regarded as an issue which is
1:54:27 that to be addressed to the people is
1:54:28 only private for his mother and the
1:54:30 family what's the listening to the
1:54:32 miracles for the people to be presented
1:54:34 is
1:54:35 making uh birds out of clay and blowing
1:54:37 in them and this is interestingly is not
1:54:40 in the in the in the canonical but it's
1:54:42 in one of the apocrypha
1:54:43 only one i think the gospel of thomas of
1:54:45 the infancy and is made only is supposed
1:54:48 to be in the infancy only
1:54:50 that's that's that's a
1:54:52 clear variation with that with the quran
1:54:54 and also
1:54:55 also secondary that he tells the people
1:54:57 what day when they stole their house and
1:54:59 so on it's no whole nation i think as
1:55:00 far as you know and neither the
1:55:02 canonical nor relationship so the
1:55:04 question we should have to ask ourselves
1:55:07 which story seems to be making better
1:55:08 sense historically clearly this one not
1:55:11 our one in the canonical and the
1:55:13 non-canonical because the canonical is
1:55:14 having the catastrophic problem and all
1:55:17 that known canonical without exception
1:55:19 old apocrypha proto evangelion of
1:55:22 jacob james
1:55:24 uh
1:55:26 nativity gospel of thomas the armenian
1:55:29 one
1:55:30 the syriac one the allegedly arab
1:55:33 translation
1:55:34 attributed allegedly to kaifas all of
1:55:36 these they all
1:55:39 they may have the the issue of the
1:55:41 temple and the maryam being being
1:55:43 adopted by the temple for some time
1:55:45 maybe but in the
1:55:46 in essential differences but they all
1:55:49 insist on that the the
1:55:52 the fallacy that maryam and husband have
1:55:54 to move to
1:55:55 to bethlehem as opposed to the ancestral
1:55:58 home of joseph
1:56:01 and
1:56:02 from there then one one one of the
1:56:03 gospels matthew claimed that there was
1:56:05 even a slaughter of babies when
1:56:07 herodotus came to know what's going on
1:56:09 and was pursuing the messiah to kill him
1:56:12 and all of these things all of that is
1:56:13 completely non-historical false and
1:56:16 purely fabricated with the proof just
1:56:19 with
1:56:20 the attempt to prove to the jews and
1:56:22 others
1:56:24 mostly because matthew's addressing
1:56:25 mostly jews although the greek speaker
1:56:27 but what the jews of antioch and around
1:56:30 is that this is the messiah from the
1:56:32 from from uh
1:56:34 from david the messiah of david and he
1:56:37 must be from the david stock and to do
1:56:39 that we have this genealogy of uh
1:56:42 of uh
1:56:43 of all of but but he's supposed to be
1:56:46 the son of god oh no no anyway you know
1:56:48 human father so they make they fix this
1:56:51 theology uh through joseph joseph is not
1:56:54 his father so what's the meaning of this
1:56:56 genealogy secondly the generality itself
1:56:58 is quite faulty
1:56:59 we have we have the genealogy at luke
1:57:02 which is about 41 or 42 people there
1:57:05 that may fit until the time of david
1:57:07 that's about a thousand years but the
1:57:09 genealogy at uh
1:57:11 matthew
1:57:12 which is supposed to be written under
1:57:14 the auspices of the holy spirit
1:57:16 is 77 people it's impossible to get that
1:57:19 for a thousand years that's two thousand
1:57:21 years so
1:57:22 that's called completely atlas so this
1:57:25 so-called christmas story and the birth
1:57:27 in a in a in or in a in a barn or in a
1:57:31 cave or something all fabricated but
1:57:33 these magi
1:57:36 okay
1:57:37 maggie or king's coming from the east is
1:57:39 fabricated
1:57:40 the the shebang singer clouds is all
1:57:42 fabricated uh the
1:57:45 midwife which comes and tried to test
1:57:47 maryam's uh
1:57:48 virginity after birth because it's
1:57:50 supposed to be eternally virgin is
1:57:52 fabricated all of this has
1:57:54 has never happened it's impossible that
1:57:56 it could have possibly happened
1:57:59 but the virgin birth according to quran
1:58:00 has happened
1:58:02 and the only way we for the world follow
1:58:04 the quran will accept that it's just by
1:58:06 relying on the revelation because the
1:58:08 historic record is miserable and
1:58:10 contradicting and there's no compelling
1:58:13 evidence for anything else question now
1:58:15 it is arrived okay
1:58:17 that's if it's a revelation what's about
1:58:19 it or what else it could be
1:58:22 muhammad inventing it okay so he's he's
1:58:24 such an
1:58:25 mentally
1:58:26 that he confuses maryam uh the
1:58:30 mother of christ with maryam the sister
1:58:32 of arun and musa
1:58:33 and confusing two persons personally
1:58:36 separated a thousand five hundred years
1:58:38 okay uh assuming maybe he's his adult
1:58:41 okay fine
1:58:42 so how come that he is so skilled
1:58:47 to mention the story of the of the
1:58:49 temple adoption clean from all these
1:58:51 questionable issues in such a precision
1:58:54 okay he's a very good story writer
1:58:56 okay all this is very difficult to
1:58:58 combine with but where this other story
1:59:01 came from
1:59:02 we must have got it from somewhere
1:59:05 from some apocrypha sometimes going
1:59:06 around some translation
1:59:09 they could not have created it excellent
1:59:11 heal you
1:59:12 does it work this way
1:59:15 absolutely doesn't get this way
1:59:17 and this story
1:59:19 clarifies obviously the impossibility of
1:59:21 the story of the uh of
1:59:24 going to bethlehem and and
1:59:27 and having uh and that having all the
1:59:29 stories especially with the with the
1:59:31 weather with the addition of matthew
1:59:33 claiming the of the thus rotors of
1:59:36 herod's all of this is
1:59:38 clearly all
1:59:40 all historic research all analytical uh
1:59:42 comparison of the various gospels and
1:59:44 comparison with with the apocrypha and
1:59:46 so on
1:59:47 cries this is it could not have ever
1:59:49 happened it's good it's impossible just
1:59:52 it's just it's ridiculous
1:59:54 it's just embarrassing actually
1:59:56 it's embarrassing even to to think that
1:59:58 that the roman empire cares about
2:00:02 people's genealogy and the way they go
2:00:03 for you if you want to live with taxes
2:00:06 joseph lives in nazareth he will pay
2:00:08 taxes in nazareth the count will be if
2:00:10 any count ever happened which is
2:00:12 unlikely
2:00:13 uh they'll have our accounts or
2:00:14 definitely the accounts which are on
2:00:16 record are not in the time we should
2:00:18 expect asa to be born anyway so
2:00:21 just just just blatantly absorbed
2:00:24 but that
2:00:27 it is a time of augustus octavius
2:00:29 renamed augustus
2:00:31 when it was established and so on so
2:00:32 maybe 20 years before bees bc
2:00:35 okay there may be essentials but
2:00:37 everyone will be they they are
2:00:38 interested in which position you have in
2:00:40 nature which what you have in asset how
2:00:42 much you can pay that's what
2:00:44 being for david stock or from chinese
2:00:45 stock is irrelevant for the emperor he's
2:00:48 not scared about that it's the roman
2:00:49 empire they care about taxes living
2:00:51 taxes and controlling the population and
2:00:54 establishing the roman peace that's it
2:00:57 that's
2:00:59 imagine the people in in palestine like
2:01:02 in the video which i give to lax imagine
2:01:05 the people in palestine everyone go to
2:01:06 his ancestral city
2:01:09 the whole country will crisscross
2:01:12 also
2:01:14 joseph traveling with his wife either
2:01:16 walking or a donkey back
2:01:18 all the way from la cereto while she's a
2:01:20 nine-month pregnant
2:01:23 it's just a mockery of saying human
2:01:25 beings
2:01:26 question okay if that's one example this
2:01:29 one does not seem to be
2:01:30 where it has come because uh according
2:01:32 to the usually a christian and then on
2:01:35 the orientalist claim muhammad has must
2:01:38 have cleaned part of this story from
2:01:40 here and their bits and basil from from
2:01:42 apocrypha from here and there okay maybe
2:01:44 that would with the temple and with
2:01:46 zakaria and he were
2:01:50 it nice and polished it a little bit
2:01:51 fine that's that's maybe although he's
2:01:53 so dumb that he calls here the daughter
2:01:55 of amran and all apocrypha call her the
2:01:57 daughter of him her father
2:02:00 why he should carry the survivor
2:02:02 and will our time here
2:02:04 all of these things nothing fits
2:02:05 together
2:02:06 the claim that this is from muhammad
2:02:09 from that what he got around
2:02:11 is either extremely stupid here and
2:02:13 suddenly become ingenious and invent
2:02:14 this story there completely
2:02:16 extremely
2:02:18 that's not the way the uh people
2:02:21 even joseph smith the famous founder of
2:02:24 marmos the stories he wrote and so on
2:02:26 there are stories similar before that
2:02:29 like like like fiction and things like
2:02:31 that and those are bits and pieces in
2:02:32 the old testament where she could weave
2:02:35 together
2:02:36 but he had nothing no no where anything
2:02:38 of this of this type
2:02:41 none of this type can come beweaved to
2:02:43 bring that bad especially that big story
2:02:45 from the extraction of herself exactly
2:02:47 toward the east and and all the story of
2:02:50 getting pregnant one this this is
2:02:52 impossible
2:02:54 so
2:02:55 maybe it's maybe the arabs have that
2:02:57 somehow and they actually constructed
2:02:58 that muhammad is an imaginary
2:03:01 historic figure but it's that's that's
2:03:02 refuted by overwhelming other evidence
2:03:05 including his mentioning of the name and
2:03:06 some in some ethiopian documents
2:03:08 obviously negative way calling the
2:03:10 infidel muhammad who defeated everyone
2:03:12 but not they're touching abyssinian for
2:03:14 example we have documents like that we
2:03:16 have documents of egyptian talking about
2:03:18 muhammad and
2:03:20 with some mistake here and there but
2:03:21 it's clear contemporary we have many
2:03:23 other extra extra islamic documents
2:03:26 about it so did the arab make a
2:03:28 confidence there and do it so how could
2:03:30 the arab make it make this story like
2:03:31 that in this sophistication this part
2:03:35 another alternative we'll see what the
2:03:37 what the what uh what are the people who
2:03:39 believe that the creator of the world
2:03:41 and the reveal of the old testament is
2:03:42 the devil or people in that in that
2:03:44 general direction of thinking one of
2:03:46 them is the bush grandfather who is a
2:03:48 famous orientalist missionary he said
2:03:50 muhammad is really a prophet he received
2:03:52 revelation it's impossible to say
2:03:54 otherwise but he's leaving revelation
2:03:56 for the devil so this man seems to be
2:03:58 following the same line of marcion
2:04:01 he's a martyrist or marquianist
2:04:04 okay
2:04:06 then we have to study this table and
2:04:07 analyze what's his motivation and so on
2:04:14 and the devil succeeded excellently in
2:04:16 undermining the
2:04:17 the canonical gospels which are supposed
2:04:19 to be reporting us the real news about
2:04:22 the son of god this is all there's no to
2:04:24 it that all of that does not fit
2:04:25 together i will say this story in this
2:04:27 way
2:04:28 if it's read carefully
2:04:32 just in the highlights yes i added
2:04:34 something is in between i said it must
2:04:36 be like that and so on because the story
2:04:38 is just giving us like stations
2:04:40 but in between there are human beings
2:04:42 they're eating they're drinking they're
2:04:43 traveling they're traveling by day by
2:04:45 night
2:04:46 i don't think i added anything which is
2:04:48 which is require any miracle or anything
2:04:50 okay so especially that
2:04:52 mariam after giving birth and so on
2:04:54 after being pacified by the baby
2:04:55 assuming that's true
2:04:57 would have walked or walked back home or
2:04:59 traveled back home quite cautiously not
2:05:02 to meet anybody so traveling by night
2:05:05 staying by day somewhere hide by day
2:05:08 and some hide out or somewhere
2:05:11 and then
2:05:12 and if accidentally someone meet her she
2:05:14 will point to the child but nobody
2:05:15 actually met her until she gets to her
2:05:17 people
2:05:18 safely and civilized them so private
2:05:20 miracles show that that all all this
2:05:23 mess have been in the canonical gospels
2:05:25 because they received contradicting
2:05:27 stories and tried to construct something
2:05:29 to make him the messiah of david
2:05:31 according to certain jewish myth also
2:05:33 because they misunderstood even the old
2:05:35 testament or
2:05:36 what is called in the old jewish
2:05:38 documents and regarded them clearly as
2:05:40 revelation and here is authentic most of
2:05:43 these stories about the messiah and the
2:05:44 jewish
2:05:45 literature and tradition before that is
2:05:48 is a big mess they have to play two
2:05:49 different messiahs they have a messiah
2:05:51 from aaron and the messiah from
2:05:53 uh from uh from david and one is a
2:05:56 warrior one is a priest it's a big mess
2:05:59 and they were and they believed in that
2:06:01 big mess and and fixed some of these
2:06:03 stories to make him
2:06:05 by hook or crook the messiah he said he
2:06:07 may have announced that he's the messiah
2:06:08 but clearly the quran he did announce
2:06:10 even at birth he was announced our
2:06:12 messiah but is neither the one of david
2:06:14 nor the one of aaron
2:06:16 is something it's the one anointed by
2:06:18 god appointed to be the final messenger
2:06:19 bani israel that's it
2:06:21 that's it all but the jews were
2:06:23 imagining a messiah who will fight and
2:06:24 get them their old kingdom is just their
2:06:27 imagination running wild
2:06:32 so i would say this that story but in
2:06:34 this way
2:06:38 read carefully
2:06:40 is by itself is a challenge for anyone
2:06:42 claiming that the quran is not a
2:06:43 revelation
2:06:46 it's a challenge
2:06:47 because if you say it's not a revelation
2:06:50 it must have been by muhammad or by the
2:06:52 arabs muhammad he made a conference
2:06:54 there and called
2:06:56 the scholarly conference today let us
2:06:58 fix a good story about ether so that we
2:07:00 can undermine those christians okay fine
2:07:02 but even they must have some some
2:07:05 and they will have to go to some sources
2:07:07 in the back even if they drop as much
2:07:08 they regard as
2:07:11 that's still the story of all of them
2:07:13 agreeing on going to
2:07:15 and at that time there was no no way no
2:07:17 possibility at the time of muhammad uh
2:07:19 like like 600 to 630 40
2:07:23 all the information about qumran about
2:07:25 ascetic
2:07:26 was lost
2:07:27 nobody has that even the jews at the
2:07:29 time were unaware about their all jewish
2:07:32 documents are muslims jesus are
2:07:33 mentioning them in his writing as a as
2:07:36 a roman roman writer not as a jew and
2:07:39 it's all written in greek and and and
2:07:42 latin
2:07:43 not in another language so even the jews
2:07:45 are not away about all of these things
2:07:47 this is completely digging things out of
2:07:49 history which at that time was
2:07:51 completely unavailable it's nobody
2:07:52 having put it can put his hand on it
2:07:56 nobody can can uh can
2:07:58 make any conclusion only recently with
2:08:00 all these documents and all these
2:08:01 historical uh dug out results and
2:08:04 archaeologically all combining all of
2:08:06 that lead to complete annihilation of
2:08:10 the so-called
2:08:11 christmas story as as
2:08:13 as narrated by uh
2:08:15 matthew and by look
2:08:18 it's impossible this is definitely
2:08:20 impossible
2:08:21 can't be history
2:08:23 god it is
2:08:25 straightforward as they say in the
2:08:28 video they use a nice language say this
2:08:29 is theological it's not historical
2:08:32 but this is this is like being
2:08:33 politically theologically correct or
2:08:35 religiously correct i i would really
2:08:38 avoid such language say this is the
2:08:39 fabrication
2:08:40 maybe the fabricator have a motivation
2:08:42 there is motivation believe that's what
2:08:44 has happened
2:08:45 or could have happened like that maybe
2:08:47 but this is still does not give an
2:08:49 excuse for publication
2:08:51 because he's supposed to be received
2:08:53 that from previous people from his
2:08:55 witnesses or maybe he received from
2:08:57 previous witnesses who are liars and
2:08:59 fabricators but definitely
2:09:02 and these stories must have been going
2:09:03 around like around
2:09:05 uh
2:09:06 like the year 50 60 70 where these these
2:09:09 so-called canonical gospels have been
2:09:11 written or after that
2:09:13 or really at that time people were
2:09:15 completely confused
2:09:17 and unaware about
2:09:19 about what was what was has been going
2:09:21 on maybe like 70 80 years before
2:09:24 has been lost
2:09:26 completely but they showed virgin birth
2:09:29 on the issue of speaking the cloud and
2:09:31 so on this is definitely highly private
2:09:35 highly private it may have been uttered
2:09:37 by by some of uh
2:09:39 asa's brothers or cousins or some of
2:09:42 these disabilities you know some few
2:09:43 things like that just few bits and then
2:09:45 people then weaved complete
2:09:47 fantastic stories out of that
2:09:52 i would say that's by itself
2:09:54 unfortunately worcester scholarship is
2:09:56 is
2:09:57 very very dishonest like for example let
2:09:59 me give triggers an example for this
2:10:01 honesty
2:10:02 it is i took one
2:10:04 so i said it is a small comment in my
2:10:06 file in my hand maybe you have it also
2:10:08 in the file because i added more
2:10:10 footnotes i said most orientalist
2:10:13 studies in this area are deficient an
2:10:15 example is that
2:10:17 the gospel of james https etcetera we
2:10:20 have
2:10:21 that's that's that's the wikipedia
2:10:24 wikipedia is not really a very big
2:10:26 important source but it gives sometimes
2:10:28 highlight it says islam under the title
2:10:30 islam uh the quranic story of the virgin
2:10:33 mary and the birth of jesus are similar
2:10:36 look at these people how how they cheat
2:10:39 to those of the
2:10:40 proto-william revolution evangelion
2:10:43 that's the one of jacob which was widely
2:10:46 known
2:10:48 muhammad must have been coming from it
2:10:51 let's look at that
2:10:53 in the near east in the nearest okay
2:10:56 these includes
2:10:58 its mention of mary fed by
2:11:00 uh by by angels he never mentioned the
2:11:04 ancient jesus he survived from allah
2:11:06 what is this application what's it with
2:11:07 her is there a mission ages but she was
2:11:09 addressed by angels
2:11:11 so
2:11:13 the show is
2:11:14 of her guardian
2:11:16 now the catastrophe comes in the palaces
2:11:18 joseph
2:11:20 through the casting of lots
2:11:23 whether we have mentioned joseph ever
2:11:25 here in the casting of the lord it's a
2:11:26 career the customs so even they are
2:11:28 dishonest now i think this blender may
2:11:31 be from the writer of the comedian
2:11:32 because he referred to some some some
2:11:35 some academician who wrote a complete
2:11:38 book about the bits of the quran and so
2:11:40 on
2:11:41 and they don't think this man made such
2:11:43 a blunder but it could be if it could be
2:11:45 then his book should be banned it's not
2:11:46 worth anything the book referred to
2:11:49 in that with the number number 33 is the
2:11:51 following book
2:11:53 uh this reference number 33 refers to
2:11:56 uh achieves booklets google i give you
2:11:58 that it says
2:11:59 christ in islam and christianity a guy
2:12:02 called neil
2:12:05 robinson
2:12:06 and from uh
2:12:08 state university of new york sunni
2:12:10 press that's the press first january
2:12:13 1991 so it's recent religion number two
2:12:16 three five pages etc so it's most likely
2:12:18 this is uh this is referring it's maybe
2:12:21 it's maybe it's not a book it's an
2:12:23 article whatever it is the reference is
2:12:25 here in full uh and it is also i think
2:12:27 the in the text file called
2:12:29 mary.mariam.ct
2:12:34 so
2:12:35 so the the the description of the book i
2:12:37 think the book is available over in
2:12:38 amazon maybe christ in islam and
2:12:41 christianity is an
2:12:43 a is an analysis that's the analysis of
2:12:45 the book of the different christian
2:12:48 approaches to jesus and the
2:12:51 in the quran and in the classic muslim
2:12:54 commentaries okay
2:12:57 the author
2:12:58 presents controversial
2:13:01 suggestions about the
2:13:04 relevant
2:13:05 the relevance of the quranic
2:13:07 representation of jesus and mary
2:13:11 to muhammad and his
2:13:15 manage
2:13:16 include uh next to include the book
2:13:19 include an extensive translations of
2:13:21 extracts from classical muslim
2:13:24 commentaries okay
2:13:25 including sunni
2:13:33 who
2:13:34 who approach or accept the story of
2:13:37 bethlehem
2:13:39 or anyone claiming that the quran was
2:13:41 done by joseph or it does the joseph
2:13:43 mentioned anywhere in islamic
2:13:45 original sources
2:13:48 it is not to extrude that some comment
2:13:50 people writing commentaries went back to
2:13:52 those gospels that are available at that
2:13:55 time which is the canonical ones because
2:13:57 islam came after 19 and constantinople
2:14:00 and so on these world councils and the
2:14:02 books were already chosen and most
2:14:04 apocrypha were banned or kept away from
2:14:07 the public so muslims did not have
2:14:09 access to them so they have access to
2:14:10 the main one but none of them as far as
2:14:12 they know ever claimed that they can't
2:14:15 accept the story of
2:14:17 unless someone who is
2:14:19 who has a problem in his head
2:14:21 claiming that it will be any appropriate
2:14:23 expansion whatever
2:14:34 there's no donkey carrying here or two
2:14:36 donkeys there's no shepherds there's no
2:14:39 barn or or
2:14:41 or barn or cave
2:14:43 there is no no escape to egypt nothing
2:14:46 none of that whatsoever at all
2:14:48 absolutely
2:14:49 completely
2:14:52 it's a completely different story
2:14:53 completely there's no way to breed this
2:14:56 one from this one or detect this one
2:14:58 from this one
2:14:59 completely and unrelated
2:15:02 and complete
2:15:04 philosophically and historically and
2:15:08 and even even even story-wise and of
2:15:11 story gender if you wish completely
2:15:13 different
2:15:18 so i thought this is this is very
2:15:19 interesting layer tool to have this and
2:15:22 just just a question to uh
2:15:24 to scholarship here in the western uh
2:15:26 even muslims for everyone
2:15:29 maybe the the part of the career and so
2:15:31 on we can glean it a bit from a bit from
2:15:35 here and there from some of our
2:15:36 apocrypha things like that although they
2:15:38 all insist that that is her father is
2:15:40 called you are him so if someone is
2:15:42 aware about that
2:15:43 and got something from that that he
2:15:45 could not have been possibly called
2:15:46 maryam the daughter of
2:16:02 as if he's saying what you say where you
2:16:04 have ever say wherever you are saying
2:16:06 mariam the daughter of him is wrong my
2:16:09 daughter him is wrong maryam the
2:16:11 daughter of him is wrong
2:16:12 and then still he goes to the story and
2:16:14 pick up a bit of pieces and put the
2:16:16 story of zakaria and the ili temple
2:16:19 devotion then when this comes to the
2:16:20 child birth we're completely in another
2:16:22 world
2:16:25 there's no more temples the career is
2:16:26 gone all of that is gone
2:16:28 the core of the story i just read that
2:16:30 to you sword maryam
2:16:34 completely and utterly different than
2:16:36 what we call him and there's nowhere
2:16:37 anything like that or similar or
2:16:40 remotely related in any one of the epic
2:16:42 all the apocalypse i mentioned
2:16:45 and i have i think scanned all of them
2:16:46 quickly
2:16:48 i don't claim that i have studied
2:16:49 scholarly and every word and so on but
2:16:52 there's nothing like that
2:16:53 absolutely nothing
2:16:57 and the story is not similar to anything
2:16:59 like for some story of musa nor to the
2:17:01 story of buddha know the story of
2:17:04 whatever it is whatever you wish you can
2:17:07 think about any story you wish in the
2:17:08 universe it's not similar to anyone
2:17:10 anywhere in any culture so from where
2:17:12 this one came
2:17:14 this is just a simple question just a
2:17:17 uh a simple-minded question but it's a
2:17:19 very loaded question
2:17:22 for muhammad is not possible because he
2:17:23 is obviously dum-dum
2:17:25 clear
2:17:26 otherwise how can he say maryambitemra
2:17:28 with all these apocrypha all everything
2:17:30 and i was saying that
2:17:35 it can't be from from the arabs because
2:17:37 they also did not have more culture than
2:17:38 muhammad supposed to be the most
2:17:40 sophisticated under them who misled them
2:17:42 and
2:17:43 teach them the quran and they believed
2:17:45 him okay so
2:17:47 under the there is no known scholar or a
2:17:50 church man over any reputation in arabia
2:17:52 a history records
2:17:54 all judgment of words are in egypt in
2:17:57 abyssinian in in syria
2:18:00 and even in iraq under the persian
2:18:02 empire and historians etc no not there
2:18:06 the devil we have to describe this issue
2:18:08 of the devil and see how how we can sort
2:18:10 this devil out and how we can solve the
2:18:12 mark you and heresy and the whole story
2:18:14 of the universe then
2:18:17 and then the remaining is done from god
2:18:19 so
2:18:20 leave it through your own judgment just
2:18:21 use your your brain and try to to
2:18:24 synchronize because if someone if
2:18:26 someone comes like
2:18:28 they got these from the ancient books
2:18:30 fine
2:18:31 but he made reason these blunders to
2:18:33 show that he's a dum dum okay fine but
2:18:35 if you see a dum dum here he suddenly is
2:18:37 an engineer this year he's suddenly here
2:18:40 going ballistic with something
2:18:41 unimaginable story which has no source
2:18:43 anywhere in the world
2:18:47 it doesn't work this way you have to
2:18:49 have
2:18:50 a consistent and well scrutinized story
2:18:55 will will harmonize fitting together
2:18:58 you cannot use the for this this this
2:19:01 difference from the old testament and
2:19:02 new testament or the apocrypha for this
2:19:04 difference that he's stupid he did not
2:19:06 notice that okay that's a possible
2:19:08 examination that if he's stupid he'll be
2:19:10 stupid everywhere generally
2:19:14 or he has overlooked that
2:19:16 but he picked up these these they have
2:19:18 very nice details and checked other
2:19:20 details we said what's the motivation to
2:19:22 call her mariam bitterbrad and she's
2:19:24 everywhere mariam the daughter of
2:19:25 joachim
2:19:27 most motivation why what's the reason
2:19:29 for that
2:19:31 must be some reason
2:19:33 things cannot come actually heal you
2:19:36 if you want to explain something
2:19:37 especially some something which
2:19:39 historically
2:19:40 really changed history upside down like
2:19:42 the advent of islam you have to get
2:19:44 something better than that
2:19:45 i argue you have to get something better
2:19:47 than that
2:19:48 i would say this one this this one story
2:19:50 alone is sufficient to put
2:19:53 historian and analyst on the spot but
2:19:55 for why they do the work honestly work
2:19:57 through that
2:20:02 honestly
2:20:04 thoroughly
2:20:05 and have something which makes good
2:20:07 sense
2:20:09 which fits reasonably together
2:20:11 i don't say fit perfectly but reasonably
2:20:13 at least some fitting it doesn't nothing
2:20:15 fit together especially that's part of
2:20:18 the of the
2:20:19 uh
2:20:20 going east and giving birth and
2:20:22 seclusion behind the veil nobody's aware
2:20:24 about that and family is a state of
2:20:26 shock all of that this has come nowhere
2:20:28 anywhere neither the canonical nor in
2:20:31 the non-canonical nor the
2:20:34 uh
2:20:36 in the apocrypha nowhere
2:20:39 if someone digs someone they're fine
2:20:43 but couldn't it be possible because all
2:20:45 what has been from earliest time is the
2:20:47 essential portal evangelion of
2:20:49 jacob seems to be the earliest and
2:20:52 everyone built on that and developed
2:20:53 further added imagination that it seems
2:20:55 to me
2:20:56 and possibly maybe an independent source
2:20:58 attributed to caiaphas
2:21:01 the one who tried was hitting the trial
2:21:03 against jesus
2:21:04 and the only one addition there is that
2:21:06 the issue of the talking the cradle but
2:21:08 the rest is the same same jerusalem the
2:21:10 same the same running away to egypt
2:21:13 essentially the same thing with added
2:21:15 flavor in a bunch of angels and
2:21:17 and like
2:21:18 uh when when the moment of birth the
2:21:21 whole universe stands still even birds
2:21:23 stood in the sky will appear to joseph
2:21:26 at least that the time have stopped
2:21:28 something like that
2:21:30 under such americans okay
2:21:31 i don't mind that
2:21:33 muhammad is intelligent enough at least
2:21:35 even if he's a dum-dum to
2:21:36 weed that out yeah but still
2:21:40 is
2:21:42 rationally inconceivable that with all
2:21:44 the available documents everywhere in
2:21:46 the world even the one who translated
2:21:47 the one is called the arabic one was
2:21:49 supposed to be really translated before
2:21:51 his time okay although i doubt that is
2:21:53 fascinated before his time we have to
2:21:55 have evidence for that but let's assume
2:21:57 it's just for
2:21:58 for for assumption just for for
2:22:01 just to be to be uh to be fair okay that
2:22:04 one is called the arabic one
2:22:06 i think i gave i gave a copy of it to to
2:22:09 the arabic and fashion if not i will
2:22:11 give it to lax i will give it to you
2:22:12 i'll cover with this i it's actually uh
2:22:15 the pdf i was difficult to to breathe as
2:22:18 we live so i copied it and put it in the
2:22:20 docs which is easy and i underlined few
2:22:22 things there
2:22:24 but this is it
2:22:25 and
2:22:26 it is a it's a comparison with other
2:22:28 things it's not the full text i didn't
2:22:30 find the full text anywhere but it's
2:22:31 clearly that it's that has it doesn't
2:22:33 have anything from a palm tree only it
2:22:35 has only the
2:22:36 standard bethlehem one understand and
2:22:39 understand with additionally uh
2:22:42 additions and fantastic other extra
2:22:44 stories with all around bethlehem the
2:22:46 barn or the cave
2:22:47 because there's no place in the inn etc
2:22:50 shepherds et cetera and the maggies and
2:22:51 some of them were the maggies and some
2:22:53 of their own maggies
2:22:55 and some of them the magazine kings from
2:22:56 arabia and persia etc more details and
2:22:59 one but the main one story that which is
2:23:02 definitely for historical reasons and a
2:23:04 wireless documentation available one is
2:23:06 it is completely refutable
2:23:08 and can proven to be impossible
2:23:10 historically
2:23:12 that uh
2:23:13 that that video which i gave to lax uh
2:23:18 stressed out although the other side
2:23:19 they made sure they go because they are
2:23:22 they coming they think by their
2:23:23 refutation of the story of of of their
2:23:25 christmas they refuted the the the
2:23:28 virgin birth obviously they add also
2:23:30 arguments from from biology and
2:23:32 physiology and so on which is which
2:23:35 doesn't help them
2:23:36 because nobody said this is biologically
2:23:39 the standard way of doing things
2:23:41 it's supposed to be miraculous if they
2:23:43 deny miracles altogether in the
2:23:44 existence of god that's something else
2:23:47 or deny that god is is above nature and
2:23:49 the creator of nature nature is
2:23:51 contingent then if this nature is
2:23:53 necessarily existing there's no need no
2:23:55 no need to assume a god
2:23:58 but still even if the this assumption if
2:24:00 we go to the correct extent they have to
2:24:02 explain house where the story has been
2:24:04 called
2:24:05 because because their discussion is
2:24:07 based on that this bit of story is taken
2:24:09 from this
2:24:11 pagan myth this is
2:24:12 an attempt to reconstruct
2:24:14 moses story this is impossible because
2:24:16 historically
2:24:18 so show us this
2:24:19 do the same here
2:24:21 if you are honest
2:24:24 they will get stuck
2:24:28 the definitely will get stuck
2:24:31 so i think this is by itself
2:24:34 although it's quite odd
2:24:37 has considerable oddity
2:24:40 it is by itself
2:24:42 could could be really an an an and
2:24:45 gateway to see
2:24:47 let us check this quran
2:24:49 there's something more than what means
2:24:50 the eye
2:24:52 the eye which is not scrutinizing the
2:24:53 blind eye if you read with blind eyes
2:24:55 there's no help
2:24:58 if
2:24:59 if it's true that that
2:25:01 this this one who who
2:25:03 translated so many uh uh
2:25:06 islamic sources
2:25:08 exegesis and things like that even sunni
2:25:11 shia more tesla and so on made such a
2:25:14 such a blunder
2:25:15 that
2:25:16 that the casting lot is done for joseph
2:25:18 then you have to
2:25:21 to ask ourselves what kind of
2:25:22 scholarship is that other people are
2:25:24 blind or they deliberately see the
2:25:25 things there which are not there
2:25:30 because nowhere in the quran i don't
2:25:32 think even in any exercises or anywhere
2:25:35 it may be someone is quoting the story
2:25:38 as as as narrated by by some
2:25:41 canonical non-canonical documents or
2:25:43 something like that uh just quoting it
2:25:45 does not mean that he believes that to
2:25:46 say that's what a christian
2:25:48 but this is not what the quran says
2:25:50 maybe maybe you'll find that although i
2:25:52 doubt that very strongly
2:25:54 yes the people of gaza is they took
2:25:56 liberty and taking some stories from the
2:25:58 old testament and new testament and
2:25:59 thought they may be helping in
2:26:01 understanding some historical structure
2:26:02 in the quran but i i as far as i
2:26:05 remember nobody ever
2:26:07 uh
2:26:09 bothered really
2:26:10 or make make any any any credence to the
2:26:13 story of the ban and all these things
2:26:18 or gave it to any value
2:26:20 unless in the moment he is when he is
2:26:22 writing he is not aware about surat
2:26:24 maryam that is to tell his mind it can't
2:26:26 happen but this is not that's not what
2:26:28 what what what what should bother us
2:26:30 even the best scholar in the world could
2:26:31 be my reading maybe imran and he forgets
2:26:33 about maryam completely and he thinks
2:26:36 this is similar to brother evangelion
2:26:38 and he make a mistake
2:26:39 but the quran is a consistent document
2:26:41 attributed to the one source
2:26:47 so this one called muhammad
2:26:50 says it's not escape
2:26:55 salami
2:26:57 yeah so i think i think i i thought this
2:27:00 is interesting because because these uh
2:27:04 recent uh
2:27:05 flood of videos about the nativity and
2:27:07 things like that and
2:27:09 books which are discussed also in videos
2:27:12 i think they are very illuminating
2:27:14 although they say they made some
2:27:15 mistakes like this generalization
2:27:18 fallacy and and so on and they they
2:27:22 they
2:27:23 uh
2:27:25 they also
2:27:27 they seem to thinking that that
2:27:30 what biology dictates that's
2:27:32 such a miraculous path is impossible but
2:27:35 biology does not dictate does not is
2:27:37 that bill does not dictate the system of
2:27:39 the universe the biology is derived from
2:27:41 system universe which is initially a
2:27:43 contingent solution chosen by god
2:27:46 all the universities think there's no
2:27:48 god
2:27:50 then they have to also answer this issue
2:27:52 with the quran and other issues of
2:27:55 of americans and so on she will come by
2:27:56 the way to it other miracles not only
2:27:58 that extra miracles from that one but
2:28:00 this one
2:28:02 has to be explained because they they
2:28:03 claim to be nationalist and rationalist
2:28:06 at the same time
2:28:07 and we have now a document who claims
2:28:09 this
2:28:10 and which is much later like in the year
2:28:12 6430 or 620 was completed and by the
2:28:16 evidence of an even carbon dating of the
2:28:18 birmingham fragments and other things
2:28:20 and that document has been written
2:28:23 given by a man who claimed hearing from
2:28:25 god okay
2:28:26 and it contains things which
2:28:30 partly synchronize with them history
2:28:31 partly deviates from recorded documents
2:28:34 and is supposed to be have taken that
2:28:36 from the previous people
2:28:39 he couldn't have been dreamed these
2:28:41 stories by himself completely
2:28:43 and there's no motivation for him to do
2:28:44 that
2:28:45 because he's addressing people in space
2:28:47 around his in space and time who
2:28:49 believed these stories
2:28:51 he could have pruned them maybe clean
2:28:52 them remove the word son of god here and
2:28:54 there that's fine that's understood
2:28:56 that's his ideology but
2:28:59 but not completely of only
2:29:02 the christmas story
2:29:04 the ban or cave story and bethlehem and
2:29:06 all of this which is essential
2:29:08 fundamental
2:29:10 in luke and and
2:29:12 and matthew
2:29:14 and in terms of other
2:29:16 apocrypha all of them agree on that with
2:29:18 variations
2:29:20 vast variations but the core is that
2:29:24 it's impossible
2:29:25 for anyone
2:29:27 who is going back and trying to fix a uh
2:29:30 a cleaned version
2:29:32 to deviate that to
2:29:34 get that story completely put it at uh
2:29:37 completely to zero as it should be
2:29:40 as riches
2:29:41 i've shown now that
2:29:45 anyway i i put that as just a matter of
2:29:47 like
2:29:48 let's say homework for for those who
2:29:50 think they are they are doing some
2:29:53 historic and philosophical and
2:29:54 theological research of value
2:29:58 to analyze that give a give us a
2:30:00 consistent and respectable explanation
2:30:03 which is uh sufficiently uh
2:30:08 consistent at least at least that's the
2:30:11 minimum
2:30:14 but also
2:30:15 yeah go
2:30:17 thank you i listened to um
2:30:20 almost all of what you said i missed i
2:30:22 think the first 15 or so minutes of it
2:30:25 um and you raised some interesting
2:30:27 points so
2:30:28 i'm um a revert to islam and prior to
2:30:31 that i was
2:30:33 a fervent believer
2:30:36 in christianity and
2:30:39 i was a person who
2:30:42 was part of a lay ministry and i read a
2:30:44 lot because there were many things i
2:30:45 didn't understand so have to read the
2:30:47 bible and then go outside of it to try
2:30:49 to find some answers
2:30:51 and then i asked allah i asked allah to
2:30:54 tell me some truth and i honestly
2:30:56 believe that some things
2:30:58 had been um revealed to me um and i just
2:31:02 like to share them and um
2:31:05 and i it's gonna take maybe about three
2:31:07 or four minutes and then i'll ask um
2:31:09 good i hope that's okay
2:31:11 so the first one was
2:31:13 your discussion on um joseph and it was
2:31:16 right so
2:31:17 um
2:31:18 this is coming now from a person who
2:31:20 looked at it from the christian
2:31:21 perspective
2:31:23 um if one were to take a look at the
2:31:24 lineage of joseph he would have lived
2:31:28 hundreds of years before
2:31:29 media and this is according to their own
2:31:32 bible so he would have had he would have
2:31:34 died unless he lived unlike the the age
2:31:38 of madusa or noah something like that um
2:31:42 but at any rate it's
2:31:44 likely he was a historic figure who they
2:31:46 sort of grafted to the time of midian
2:31:49 but i won't
2:31:51 that's my idea but what i do know is
2:31:52 that
2:31:53 chronologically he was not around alive
2:31:56 during the time of many he could not
2:31:58 have been his
2:32:00 lineage is a lot shorter uh from the
2:32:02 time of um
2:32:04 when they took records on chronologies
2:32:07 it was it's just a hundreds of years
2:32:09 difference
2:32:10 um the second has to do with the family
2:32:12 imran so
2:32:16 according to um the scriptures this is
2:32:19 uh the christian scriptures um
2:32:22 there was this
2:32:24 person who was named david
2:32:27 and david had a son
2:32:29 um
2:32:30 solomon
2:32:31 taking a look at their own scriptures
2:32:34 their scriptures show something that's
2:32:36 really different if if people care to
2:32:38 read
2:32:40 their scriptures show that
2:32:43 doubt fought
2:32:44 against other jews and the
2:32:46 clearest example that everyone always
2:32:48 misses is
2:32:50 the 23rd psalm which is the most famous
2:32:53 of all the things that it's quoted in
2:32:54 the bible though i walk to the valley of
2:32:57 the shadow of death i fear no evil so
2:32:59 this is a story
2:33:01 of dalut talking about warfare this is
2:33:04 what he's describing um against other
2:33:07 jews
2:33:08 so for people who believe that there was
2:33:12 these
2:33:13 sons of
2:33:14 one progenitor and all of them got along
2:33:17 it's not true they fought against each
2:33:19 other his book also the same book also
2:33:22 says that the david killed his brother
2:33:25 now they they said he did it because his
2:33:27 brother raped his sister but at any rate
2:33:30 um it showed
2:33:32 warring within a family and likely um
2:33:36 david because he believed differently
2:33:39 than other members of his family fought
2:33:41 against them not because
2:33:43 his brother killed
2:33:45 uh raped his sister but because of
2:33:48 different ideas of what god was and how
2:33:50 he would be practiced
2:33:51 so the thurgood goes to um
2:33:56 where these people settled so
2:33:58 the prophecies were given through the
2:34:00 line of dao
2:34:02 this would end up being the family of
2:34:04 imran
2:34:06 so these people settled
2:34:07 away from
2:34:09 jerusalem so the place that they settled
2:34:12 was near
2:34:14 bethlehem but it was not bethlehem
2:34:17 and the settlement itself wasn't very
2:34:20 big
2:34:21 it did include some relics from um the
2:34:25 histories that had been carried on but
2:34:27 the the establishment of this grand
2:34:29 temple and all these things it's not
2:34:32 even according to their own books
2:34:34 was not even permissive it permissible
2:34:37 so
2:34:38 a grand
2:34:40 temple wasn't permitted and
2:34:43 in in in this context it's important
2:34:45 because
2:34:47 the the prophecies
2:34:50 that were established and those who
2:34:52 followed it did not establish a temple
2:34:55 in jerusalem
2:34:57 um this is not or outputs it's not to
2:34:59 suggest that
2:35:01 temples didn't exist there but they
2:35:03 existed among jews who practiced
2:35:06 differently than did
2:35:07 the the family um
2:35:10 it's it's also interesting to take note
2:35:13 of
2:35:14 of
2:35:16 of um
2:35:18 places outside of
2:35:19 bethlehem
2:35:20 so these were inhabited by people who
2:35:22 were jewish and non-jewish just as we
2:35:25 had in the case of our prophet peace be
2:35:27 upon him
2:35:28 where um
2:35:29 he left
2:35:30 and went to medina which was in
2:35:34 established
2:35:35 practices there among people who were
2:35:38 from his tribe and outside of his tribe
2:35:41 so this is this is
2:35:43 significant because
2:35:45 likely the the gospels that were
2:35:48 preached there were were a truth
2:35:51 about um giving a truth to the humanity
2:35:54 and not keeping it within
2:35:57 um
2:35:57 a jewish tribe
2:35:59 that's distinguishable from
2:36:02 jews who settled in jerusalem
2:36:05 now
2:36:06 jews who settled in jerusalem
2:36:08 did so in contradiction to
2:36:11 god himself
2:36:13 so
2:36:14 we talked about the the establishment of
2:36:16 people who were
2:36:18 um outside of um
2:36:20 bethlehem this this lineage that the the
2:36:23 family of imran
2:36:25 the people who established
2:36:27 who were established in jerusalem
2:36:30 were people who practiced
2:36:32 their own version
2:36:34 of judaism which was in contradiction to
2:36:37 those who were in
2:36:39 uh places like
2:36:41 bethlehem outside of bethlehem in egypt
2:36:44 and even
2:36:45 as far north as nazareth so different
2:36:48 jews different tribes different people
2:36:50 practice this religion of god
2:36:52 differently
2:36:56 that's right
2:36:57 okay so we have um
2:37:01 the idea of the birth of millennium
2:37:04 so
2:37:08 according to
2:37:09 their scriptures
2:37:11 according to the scriptures of um
2:37:15 these are jews and christians to the
2:37:18 extent that
2:37:19 the scriptures exist
2:37:21 they said that those there were people
2:37:23 who went looking for issa to kill him
2:37:26 there are different people who went
2:37:28 there for different reasons the three
2:37:29 wise men went to bring gifts there were
2:37:31 other people who went to kill him
2:37:34 um
2:37:35 what it said was that miriam according
2:37:37 to their book
2:37:39 secreted herself away
2:37:41 now the this is consistent with the
2:37:43 quran the quran said she went east the
2:37:46 quran does not mention the reason why
2:37:48 now this is me speaking now because i
2:37:50 i'm probably wrong so take this with the
2:37:52 grain of salt but i think she went to a
2:37:55 place where she would be safe
2:37:58 where that boy could be raised isa peace
2:38:00 be upon him where he could be raised in
2:38:03 safety in office and also in obscurity
2:38:06 where people would not know him to find
2:38:08 him to kill him
2:38:09 now if you take a look at what um their
2:38:13 bibles say
2:38:14 the bible says that
2:38:17 jesus as you mentioned was from nazareth
2:38:20 now he may have been
2:38:22 he may have um grown up there but that
2:38:25 likely wasn't the place of his birth you
2:38:27 gave examples of
2:38:29 a medium being in pain and these places
2:38:31 we don't know
2:38:33 um we do know that that um
2:38:37 that jerusalem was southeast
2:38:40 of
2:38:41 southeast
2:38:42 of alkuts and then she went east
2:38:46 so
2:38:47 however she ended up in in nazareth
2:38:50 which is north we don't know but
2:38:53 if she ended up in nazareth with her
2:38:56 child um
2:38:58 likely nothing happened uh with respect
2:39:01 to him being in jerusalem until he was
2:39:03 older
2:39:04 so their scriptures talk about
2:39:07 when he went to jerusalem so this is he
2:39:10 traveled to jerusalem for the first time
2:39:12 when in in the scriptures say that when
2:39:14 he was young
2:39:15 and he preached there
2:39:17 he called the place um a den of vipers
2:39:21 and vipers translates to mean snakes and
2:39:24 he also
2:39:25 also talked about how religion wasn't
2:39:28 practiced there rather money trading
2:39:30 yeah and he turned he said he turned
2:39:33 over
2:39:34 um
2:39:35 the tables that they used for
2:39:37 measurements and unfair measurements and
2:39:39 in trading he he
2:39:41 materially opposed it so we see now that
2:39:44 there is a difference between these two
2:39:47 peoples or these two tribes their ideas
2:39:50 about the religion in their entirety
2:39:53 um so just two other points that i want
2:39:56 to make and
2:39:57 and then i'll finish
2:39:59 so the first in them is about the gospel
2:40:02 of jesus so we don't know
2:40:05 what that gospel is only certain aspects
2:40:08 of it
2:40:09 uh persist well we do
2:40:12 have indication to believe that it was a
2:40:14 gospel that was open to the humanity
2:40:17 not just the tribe of jews um what may
2:40:21 have happened is because he had a
2:40:23 different gospel about
2:40:25 a tribe of
2:40:27 like
2:40:28 away from the tribes but to the humanity
2:40:30 this may have been something that was um
2:40:33 in contradiction to how the jews in
2:40:36 jerusalem practice
2:40:38 so and it goes to things that are pretty
2:40:40 fundamental
2:40:42 so one of them uh goes to
2:40:45 you mentioned earlier you mentioned
2:40:47 things like food he taught the people
2:40:50 the food so the rabbis established
2:40:53 in
2:40:54 among certain tribes especially tribes
2:40:56 that settled in jerusalem
2:40:58 that the food that was ordained had to
2:41:00 be ordained by them
2:41:02 they said that their blessings on the
2:41:05 food
2:41:06 and the choices that they their food was
2:41:08 higher than that of god that god had
2:41:10 given to the humanity so that was
2:41:13 uh one of the things that he challenged
2:41:16 one of the other things he challenged
2:41:17 was
2:41:18 the sacrifice of both
2:41:21 human humans and animals and these were
2:41:24 both being practiced within the temples
2:41:26 themselves
2:41:28 what those things did do was they
2:41:30 established the power of these rabbis
2:41:34 over everyone else
2:41:36 so he is absolutely challenging the idea
2:41:39 of that
2:41:40 and the third one has to do with the
2:41:42 temple itself
2:41:43 so if if anyone reads
2:41:47 if anyone reads the gospels this is the
2:41:49 last point if anyone read the gospels
2:41:51 themselves closely
2:41:53 read them closely
2:41:55 um issa gives indication that the that
2:41:58 the temple
2:42:00 isn't a place
2:42:02 rather the temple has to do with the
2:42:04 body of man and how it's kept sacred
2:42:08 this is what he talks about so people
2:42:12 even when discussions having to do with
2:42:13 like the temple being rebuilt and stuff
2:42:15 like that it this goes to the
2:42:17 purification of the man's
2:42:20 ways in his heart
2:42:22 um so i think all of these things were
2:42:24 challenged to um for lack of a better
2:42:27 term the establishment of this or the
2:42:29 status quo of what judaism was
2:42:33 meant in exclusivity of religion to a
2:42:36 people and if you just follow what
2:42:39 people who came after him said
2:42:41 the sumerians
2:42:43 how isa took these people in and um like
2:42:47 they were he made no distinction between
2:42:48 them and the jews and stuff like that
2:42:50 one starts to see that the gospel that
2:42:52 he preached which he said was no
2:42:54 different than the other ones was a
2:42:56 gospel that was intended for the
2:42:58 humanity and not for the jews
2:43:00 so i'll leave it at that yeah and the
2:43:02 kingdom announced this although
2:43:04 obviously at that time it was maybe the
2:43:07 conditions were not right but
2:43:09 the announcement of the kingdom and the
2:43:11 and the comforter of the palace leaders
2:43:13 and so on is saying the job will have to
2:43:16 be completed but this generation is not
2:43:18 yet
2:43:19 to that level especially wall street
2:43:21 that's jerusalem at that time
2:43:24 that's right that's germany
2:43:26 and
2:43:26 the empire in rome washington
2:43:32 they were too powerful
2:43:35 uh and therefore it could have been
2:43:37 challenged if
2:43:38 many if more people have followed him
2:43:40 but unfortunately
2:43:42 most of the nation have uh has uh has
2:43:45 let him down and the few followers were
2:43:47 not sufficient for the historic moment
2:43:49 to change the tide but later on someone
2:43:51 came
2:43:52 who
2:43:53 changed the tide to a good good degree
2:43:55 okay
2:43:56 very good very good but
2:43:58 write these things under
2:44:00 get all these information let's just
2:44:02 arrive them slowly it may take years
2:44:04 until you have some structured thing but
2:44:05 it's good it's good
2:44:07 looking from vegas angles is very
2:44:09 important
2:44:18 so inshallah we will
2:44:19 will have that recorded inshallah it's
2:44:21 recorded on initial i hope our recording
2:44:23 is working well
2:44:24 and it will be available so the brother
2:44:26 can hear it from the beginning
2:44:28 but i i think it's a we should we should
2:44:30 really uh
2:44:32 look at that also from the angle that it
2:44:34 is this what the quran gives you it's
2:44:35 only just main highlights main bits and
2:44:38 pieces without going in details is
2:44:40 already challenging so that
2:44:43 tell me where these these
2:44:52 this is the real narrative this is the
2:44:53 true narrative
2:44:54 and there's only one deity
2:44:58 this is a real narrative that all other
2:45:00 narratives are questionable but
2:45:02 this must be scrutinized because of
2:45:04 course there's another place this is
2:45:05 general command saying
2:45:07 uh
2:45:27 the national manager of khan that
2:45:28 country so what i mean if the if they
2:45:30 don't uh wouldn't they
2:45:32 manage the quran meaning study it and
2:45:35 try to fit things together analyze them
2:45:38 so they relate to each other and so on
2:45:39 it's not just pondering it's just more
2:45:41 than that in a way like what you do when
2:45:43 you manage your house when you manage
2:45:45 your company you imagine that's that's a
2:45:47 that's a streamlined procedure this side
2:45:50 must result this this person must report
2:45:53 to this one and this one report this one
2:45:55 and this one corrects this one otherwise
2:45:57 they will not be able to do to be an
2:45:58 enterprise
2:46:00 or the family would not be able to
2:46:01 function without this management or
2:46:03 father or mother even
2:46:04 each one synchronizing with the other
2:46:06 and doing the work properly together so
2:46:12 if it's had been from anybody else
2:46:13 except allah there will be contradiction
2:46:16 so this is a call for rationalism look
2:46:19 at that get get that contradiction if
2:46:21 any maybe you think it's a contradictory
2:46:23 at the moment but if you go deeper you
2:46:24 will recognize no actually your
2:46:27 perception or your previous education or
2:46:29 previous bias is projecting
2:46:31 conventionally doesn't clear the moment
2:46:33 you jump over that you will see how it
2:46:35 fits snugly and so on bit by bit
2:46:39 at the other point
2:46:44 they manage the quran
2:46:47 or are the hearts that's the problem
2:46:50 the ceiling of the heart happens because
2:46:52 you have already set in bias and you are
2:46:54 not willing to break it i try to when i
2:46:56 say that is very difficult obviously i
2:46:58 try to say the writer of the quran sir
2:47:00 reveal allah says so to keep it as
2:47:02 neutral as possible let's make me a
2:47:04 neutral on another place we'll say
2:47:10 either we or you are in guidance or
2:47:12 misguided or we or you it's still open
2:47:15 50 50. let's put in the table until i
2:47:17 scrutinize to see
2:47:19 how much whether the evidence is
2:47:21 balanced one side to another who is
2:47:23 guided who is less guided or misguided
2:47:25 especially fundamental issues you cannot
2:47:28 surmise and more you either have it in
2:47:30 full in the fundamental issues or not
2:47:32 does god exist yes or no if he exists
2:47:35 does he care about the universe which he
2:47:36 created
2:47:38 the city of region dictate he would not
2:47:40 have created invest just just just for
2:47:42 like like a
2:47:43 a game or something pure game does not
2:47:45 sound
2:47:46 befitting for necessarily existing
2:47:48 supreme reason and on mind so for some
2:47:51 purposes and so on some objectives
2:47:54 what are they
2:47:57 obviously we we as being conscious we
2:48:00 are being and able to think about god
2:48:02 and we think
2:48:03 look up to the stars animals cannot the
2:48:05 poor guys but we can't we can look at
2:48:07 the star and think about where they come
2:48:08 what's happening there how they develop
2:48:10 and all these things mean that there's
2:48:12 something
2:48:13 something odd there how come this being
2:48:15 are you there and thinking about the
2:48:16 universe about god and so on is that
2:48:19 part of the plan
2:48:20 does he want us to know something does
2:48:22 he want to address us something let's
2:48:24 check if there's a possibility of
2:48:25 prophethood or it's impossible and so on
2:48:28 that's the way to go if you go this way
2:48:31 then you remove the the seals on the
2:48:34 heart
2:48:34 let's put everything on the table it
2:48:36 opens otherwise the heart is sealed if
2:48:37 you come from three preconceived
2:48:39 concepts and you are not willing to over
2:48:41 jump over them then you are in then you
2:48:44 are in trouble you will never be able to
2:48:45 get anywhere
2:48:47 anyway i think i'm preaching too much
2:48:48 today
2:48:50 i hope it's beneficial and it will i
2:48:53 will put more
2:48:54 as many copies as you get of these
2:48:55 various gospels just for enjoyment you
2:48:57 read it and try to read between the
2:48:59 lines to see
2:49:01 the what because i think we i think if
2:49:04 we assume and i think this is a good
2:49:05 assumption good solid assumption that
2:49:06 the quran is a revelation and the story
2:49:08 as a
2:49:10 rundown
2:49:12 even if some of it is obviously added
2:49:14 from my expectation and so on and the
2:49:16 brother made another run which he may
2:49:18 one day write down to be another way of
2:49:21 angle of looking
2:49:23 if we summarize all of that
2:49:25 we could say that's bad story by itself
2:49:27 and this is completely
2:49:30 in contradiction with what has been uh
2:49:33 in the canonical and non-canonical
2:49:34 gospels
2:49:36 and the evidence from history from jesus
2:49:39 from even the internal contradiction
2:49:41 between the various genealogies etc who
2:49:43 showed that these
2:49:44 these
2:49:45 writings are definitely not under divine
2:49:47 protection and definitely not inferible
2:49:50 that's the first step then we have them
2:49:52 if they're not
2:49:53 where could be a mistake have crimped
2:49:55 what could be the issue and then we
2:49:56 built from there
2:49:57 and this will be a good really
2:49:59 invitation to for for uh really taking
2:50:03 matter in our own hand not letting the
2:50:05 something for priests or scribes or
2:50:07 anybody dictating us we have to
2:50:10 to
2:50:10 stand as allah says
2:50:12 stand alone and stand with other one
2:50:14 discuss with him that we analyze is this
2:50:17 man a messenger or not is that a message
2:50:20 or
2:50:20 not ok
2:50:23 for your listening i think
2:50:25 maybe i
2:50:26 overloaded and they will give relax more
2:50:28 of these
2:50:30 gospels some of them i go to full text
2:50:32 like the
2:50:33 proto evangelium of thomas of of jacob
2:50:37 and also thomas and some only just
2:50:40 an article which compares it with other
2:50:42 things and
2:50:43 would put put points on certain
2:50:45 highlights but it's very useful i think
2:50:48 it's a very it's a very important
2:50:49 interesting issue
2:50:51 because thank you so very much thanks um
2:50:54 i wish more people could hear it because
2:50:56 it
2:50:57 even for the christian it's one of your
2:51:00 your
2:51:01 discussions and talks or things that
2:51:03 would give to bring them closer to the
2:51:06 truth of their own book if they were
2:51:08 only open their hearts
2:51:11 will try to dispute that also it's
2:51:13 recorded so it will be
2:51:14 available
2:51:15 and if anyone must put the link to
2:51:18 anywhere in the discussion boards and
2:51:20 things like that
2:51:21 not because i think i think it's i am
2:51:23 worth but i think the issue itself is
2:51:24 worth really uh addressing and
2:51:27 propagating that it happens that by
2:51:29 accident that i am on addressing it a
2:51:30 little bit from another angle which is
2:51:32 you don't find rarely elsewhere it's by
2:51:35 grace wallace but it is good to have it
2:51:37 here and there
2:51:38 and broadcast it widely and then try to
2:51:40 propagate it so the people can can have
2:51:44 really comfort for themselves it's it's
2:51:46 for their own benefit
2:51:48 i don't think we'll uh
2:51:50 also for our own benefit because if we
2:51:52 we if we can succeed getting someone to
2:51:54 to
2:51:55 get
2:51:56 more sense to his life and where he fits
2:51:59 in the universe and how these scriptures
2:52:01 have been created
2:52:03 by by sometimes honest narratives
2:52:05 sometimes mixed mixed up stories
2:52:07 sometimes like that and then understand
2:52:10 the struggle of the people who are the
2:52:11 quality of the canonic and the four
2:52:13 canola for example
2:52:14 chosen by naic some people claim it's
2:52:16 chosen because they were adopted by
2:52:18 major churches but even the issue that
2:52:20 they adopted by major churches meaning
2:52:22 that the adoption of a wide number of
2:52:25 people
2:52:26 indicates something of like more common
2:52:28 sense than the others which are adopted
2:52:30 only by the small minority because
2:52:32 usually the majority usually uh
2:52:34 is more right than the minority usually
2:52:37 but not always so so it's not only a
2:52:39 matter of power of the churches but also
2:52:41 i think the scholars at that time and
2:52:43 before did some honest work to try of
2:52:45 the
2:52:46 wilderness
2:52:48 number of gospels and documents there to
2:52:51 choose
2:52:52 something which the cleanest and if you
2:52:54 compare the some of these uh canonical
2:52:57 with the apocrypha you cannot escape the
2:53:00 the the fact that it is they are much
2:53:02 cleaner and much closer to history
2:53:04 despite all the blunders and mistakes so
2:53:07 our job now is that to clean further
2:53:09 and get everyone on board and show that
2:53:11 there's also a good alternative in the
2:53:12 quran and so on
2:53:14 so the so that the people can give their
2:53:16 life more sense instead of being
2:53:18 essentially
2:53:19 almost agnostic and just just wandering
2:53:22 in life would not know where to go
2:53:24 especially under in the last two
2:53:25 centuries with science claiming that we
2:53:27 have solution for everything i think
2:53:29 this pandemic is also good because even
2:53:32 the people started out science
2:53:34 they are going to another extreme
2:53:36 from one extreme science is almost like
2:53:38 like a church and and and and uh
2:53:42 now to the extreme that we have people
2:53:44 even doubting that the earth the earth
2:53:46 is around this is for them it's flat or
2:53:48 they were doubting that there was a moon
2:53:50 landing they went to the other extreme
2:53:52 that it becomes irrational but this is
2:53:55 how extremes go if you go in one extreme
2:53:58 science cannot explain anything explain
2:54:00 how the universe work explain how
2:54:02 machine work it can produce nice
2:54:03 machines it produces new technologies
2:54:06 maybe better plantation methods but
2:54:08 cannot explain the meaning of existence
2:54:10 this has to be done in another level
2:54:12 a science must become humble they should
2:54:14 stop dictating the people that we have
2:54:16 all ourselves no you don't have all of
2:54:18 us just be humble you have good answers
2:54:21 you cover this area if you know that
2:54:22 that's fine
2:54:24 other areas they have answer don't
2:54:26 expect the quran to tell you an answer
2:54:27 about about a immunization and
2:54:30 we'll give you
2:54:32 fundamental principles but
2:54:34 you have to ask that that you have to
2:54:36 dig it you have to work out
2:54:38 you have to learn how how to till tell
2:54:40 the ground to do it by exploitation
2:54:42 revelation will not get you that you are
2:54:44 able to do it by certification give you
2:54:46 a direction in life give you how how how
2:54:49 to defeat the the the plotting of the
2:54:51 devil who promised that i'm going to get
2:54:54 a majority of mankind with me to the
2:54:55 hell no no we are going to try to block
2:54:58 you from that hopefully we can succeed
2:55:02 anyway
2:55:04 it sounds like preaching but uh i hope
2:55:06 it's some a bit of a rational discourse
2:55:09 which is the national discourse is
2:55:11 really the right way to get to
2:55:12 spirituality it's the best response for
2:55:14 20
2:55:15 rationalization not obvious feeling and
2:55:18 confused ideas no must be clears and
2:55:21 clear and precise ideas especially these
2:55:23 fundamental things
2:55:25 then we can see clearly the meaning of
2:55:27 everyone's life and the meaning medical
2:55:29 society and even state and organizations
2:55:32 okay
2:55:34 should we say to each one a good night i
2:55:36 think we have taken plenty of time
2:55:38 everyone
2:55:39 no luck with her um
2:55:42 there's an honor to
2:55:45 if there's any bits and pieces about
2:55:47 that i will see for next week if there
2:55:48 are certain aspects and bits but i think
2:55:50 the main lines are clear and everyone
2:55:52 can i will put more relax i will put you
2:55:54 more of
2:55:56 of these documents either the pdfs or if
2:55:59 i extracted the uh word document i would
2:56:01 put it and also that what i was reading
2:56:03 from that that one i would try to flush
2:56:05 it a little bit out all this only a text
2:56:08 file
2:56:09 maybe i should do it a word document
2:56:10 that comment is better to read i would
2:56:12 see
2:56:12 it's easy inshallah and then we'll you
2:56:15 will have more material and you can
2:56:16 discuss further
2:56:18 if needed
2:56:20 okay
2:56:26 fine
2:56:31 Music
2:57:08 is
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2:57:31 Music
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