Londoniyyah - Part 21 - Muhammad ﷺ in the Bible (2022-03-25) ​

0:00:13 how is everyone doing this is the ninth
0:00:15 session and we're going to be talking
0:00:16 something about something very important
0:00:17 which is about the prophecies
0:00:20 of
0:00:21 the prophet
0:00:22 muhammad that can be found in the bible
0:00:26 before i do that i'm going to leave it
0:00:27 to aquatic to
0:00:57 right so in this poem
0:00:59 uh the the
0:01:01 the novel basically mentions the
0:01:03 basically mentions
0:01:05 uh
0:01:06 which in arabic is
0:01:08 basically the book of isaiah
0:01:11 and the book of isaiah potentially is
0:01:13 the most clear or clear of what we have
0:01:15 today
0:01:17 in uh in terms of
0:01:19 the 42nd chapter of isaiah in terms of
0:01:22 predictions
0:01:23 or mentioning
0:01:25 of a prophet that's going to come in the
0:01:26 future
0:01:27 and when we go through it and we will go
0:01:29 through it it's going to be clear to us
0:01:31 that the
0:01:33 descriptions
0:01:34 are of
0:01:35 uh none other than the prophet muhammad
0:01:38 but before we do so i think it will be
0:01:40 befitting
0:01:41 to have some recite
0:01:44 chapter 7 157
0:01:46 which is a key ayah in the quran
0:01:49 which mentions some points which we
0:01:51 should also pay attention to so this is
0:01:53 chapter 7 verse 157
0:02:46 my
0:02:50 so i'm going to quickly read a
0:02:51 translation of that
0:02:53 uh they are the ones who follow the
0:02:55 messenger the unlettered prophet
0:02:57 whose description they found in the
0:02:59 torah and the injil the gospel he
0:03:01 commands them to do good and forbids
0:03:03 them from evil permits for them what is
0:03:05 lawful and forbids to them
0:03:07 what is impure and relieves them from
0:03:09 the burdens
0:03:11 and the shackles that
0:03:13 that
0:03:13 bound them
0:03:15 only those who believe in him honor and
0:03:17 support him and follow the light sent
0:03:19 down to him will be successful
0:03:24 now interestingly and this is in the
0:03:25 next slide
0:03:27 there is actually a hadith on this
0:03:30 matter and this hadith is in bukhari
0:03:33 and it's narrated as you can see
0:03:36 by
0:03:41 as you can see here
0:03:43 oh sorry yes
0:03:45 and here i'm going to read the english
0:03:49 it says
0:03:50 that he narrates that tell me about the
0:03:52 description of allah's messenger
0:03:54 which is mentioned in the torah
0:03:57 he replied yes by allah he is described
0:03:59 in the torah with some of the qualities
0:04:01 attributed to him in the quran as
0:04:04 follows
0:04:05 now bear in mind
0:04:07 that the books that we have now the old
0:04:09 testament or what is referred to as
0:04:10 torah or the first five books
0:04:13 they have undergone significant revision
0:04:15 there has been manuscripts that have
0:04:17 been found there have been changes that
0:04:19 have been made and that's
0:04:20 an open secret now it doesn't require
0:04:23 too much discussion
0:04:25 only someone who is a religious fanatic
0:04:27 or blind to the evidence would think
0:04:29 anything other than this
0:04:32 for example the masoretic text which
0:04:34 many of the
0:04:36 the old testament is very much of the
0:04:37 old testament translations are based on
0:04:40 underwent significant transformation
0:04:42 when they found the dead sea scrolls
0:04:44 in
0:04:45 the last 60 70 years whenever it was
0:04:46 they funded as these girls and so when
0:04:48 they now the old testament translations
0:04:51 make a decision for what goes in and
0:04:53 what is to be excluded from the old
0:04:54 testament they decide whether it's going
0:04:56 to be the masoretic text or whether it's
0:04:59 going to be the dead sea scrolls and or
0:05:01 if it's going to be the septuagint and
0:05:03 for those who don't know the septuagint
0:05:05 is a greek translation of the old
0:05:07 testament
0:05:08 now you may ask what was a greek
0:05:10 translation of the old testament doing
0:05:12 as one of the primary sources for trying
0:05:14 to find out what the old testament is
0:05:17 they consider it one of the most
0:05:19 important and primary sources and in
0:05:22 fact what they have to do is translate
0:05:23 it into hebrew so there's a translation
0:05:25 process
0:05:27 and it's not inconceivable to think that
0:05:29 they would actually prefer a septuagint
0:05:31 translation
0:05:33 over and above for example a dead sea
0:05:35 manuscript translation it's that's that
0:05:37 has happened that does happen
0:05:39 and so many of the times you maybe a
0:05:41 section of the bible will depend
0:05:44 entirely on
0:05:45 a translation of a he of of a text from
0:05:49 the greek into the hebrew so this is the
0:05:51 kind of thing we are dealing with
0:05:53 we are not dealing with a book that has
0:05:55 been preserved
0:05:56 and so at the time of the prophet
0:06:02 it's important to know
0:06:03 that what they what they were reading
0:06:05 then is different to what we're reading
0:06:06 now and ibn tamiya believes in his hijab
0:06:10 uh
0:06:11 his major work on on kind of comparative
0:06:14 religion
0:06:15 he believes actually and this is a
0:06:16 minority opinion
0:06:18 it is a minority opinion that the torah
0:06:20 in its original form was actually
0:06:22 preserved at the time of the prophet he
0:06:25 believes that whereas in hajjar and
0:06:27 others they disagree with that and
0:06:29 they show that actually it has been
0:06:31 uh you know corrupted and so on
0:06:35 so this is the relevance because you'd
0:06:36 be thinking okay why why is he
0:06:37 mentioning what's in the torah if they
0:06:39 told us
0:06:40 if it's corrupted
0:06:42 there's two ways of answering that
0:06:43 question if you go with the majority
0:06:44 opinions because a that part of the
0:06:46 torah would not be maharaf
0:06:49 and or be
0:06:50 that actually the torah would not have
0:06:52 been muhammad couldn't see me at that
0:06:53 time which is corrupted
0:06:55 in either event it's not a problem for
0:06:57 us what isn't what is interesting about
0:06:59 this is that now you have this companion
0:07:03 telling us what he is reading from the
0:07:04 torah
0:07:05 at the time of the prophet
0:07:10 he said he replied yes by allah he is
0:07:12 describing the torah with some of the
0:07:14 qualities attributed to him in the quran
0:07:16 as follows oh prophet we have sent you
0:07:18 as a witness
0:07:19 for allah's true religion and the giver
0:07:21 of glad tidings
0:07:23 to the faithful believers and of warner
0:07:25 to the unbelievers and a guardian of the
0:07:27 illiterates you are my slave and i am
0:07:30 and my messenger okay
0:07:33 i have named you el mota
0:07:35 or the one one who depends upon allah
0:07:38 you are neither discourteous harsh
0:07:41 nor a noisemaker in the markets and you
0:07:43 do not do evil to those who do evil to
0:07:46 you but you deal with them
0:07:48 with forgiveness
0:07:50 and kindness
0:07:52 allah will not let him the prophet die
0:07:54 till he makes straight the crooked
0:07:55 people by making them say non has the
0:07:58 right to be worshipped by allah
0:08:01 with which
0:08:02 will be open blind eyes and deaf ears
0:08:04 and enveloped hearts now interesting
0:08:06 because
0:08:07 we are going to read now the biblical
0:08:09 verses
0:08:11 and they're there in the slides but i'm
0:08:12 going to read them
0:08:13 myself
0:08:14 and i want you to just think about those
0:08:16 those are the descriptions that i
0:08:18 mentioned the hadith whilst now we read
0:08:22 isaiah chapter 42.
0:08:29 here is my servant whom i uphold
0:08:33 my chosen one in whom i delight
0:08:37 i will put my spirit on him and he will
0:08:39 bring justice to the nations
0:08:42 he will not shout or cry out or raise
0:08:44 his voice in the streets what does that
0:08:46 remind you of
0:08:47 the hadith
0:08:48 we just read yeah
0:08:50 and bear in mind also that not shouting
0:08:52 and crying out is something which is in
0:08:53 the quran
0:08:55 in the ankle
0:08:58 which is
0:09:00 when lokman was giving advice to his son
0:09:02 he said that the worst of voices are the
0:09:03 voices of
0:09:05 you know the donkeys so don't raise your
0:09:08 voice too much don't shout
0:09:10 don't shout out
0:09:14 a bruised reed he will not break and a
0:09:17 smoldering wick he will not snuff out
0:09:20 in faithfulness he will bring forth
0:09:21 justice
0:09:23 he will not he will not falter or be
0:09:25 discouraged till he establish justice on
0:09:28 earth
0:09:30 now this is interesting
0:09:32 because the word
0:09:35 in the hebrew language
0:09:37 which means the earth
0:09:38 it's not something specific
0:09:41 here it's uh
0:09:43 it's indefinite
0:09:45 it's talking about the entire earth
0:09:48 in fact and we know that jewish
0:09:50 tradition says that actually
0:09:52 prophethood was only sent to
0:09:54 the jews
0:09:55 so this this person who who's obviously
0:09:57 being described here
0:09:59 he's going to come not to the jewish
0:10:01 people or the children of israel he's
0:10:02 going to come to all of the world and
0:10:04 he's going to try and spread justice
0:10:05 through all of the world
0:10:07 and this is extremely significant
0:10:10 he will not be he will not falter or be
0:10:11 discouraged till he establish
0:10:13 establishes justice on the earth
0:10:15 in his law the islands will put their
0:10:17 help
0:10:18 the islands and this is plural now
0:10:23 this is what god the lord says he who
0:10:25 created the heavens and the and
0:10:27 the earth
0:10:29 sorry he who created the heavens and
0:10:31 stretched them out he who spread out the
0:10:33 earth and all that comes out of it
0:10:35 who gives breath to its people and life
0:10:38 to those who walk on it
0:10:40 i the lord and this kind of language is
0:10:41 similar to what you find in the quran
0:10:45 you know
0:10:49 i the lord have called you in
0:10:51 righteousness i will hold of your hand i
0:10:54 will keep you and will make you to to be
0:10:57 a covenant for the people and the light
0:10:59 for the gentiles
0:11:01 now the gentiles are non-jews
0:11:05 very interestingly
0:11:09 first of all all jewish prophets were
0:11:11 not sent as gentiles they were sent to
0:11:13 the children of israel
0:11:15 but even jesus for the for christians
0:11:17 who want to say this is about jesus
0:11:19 he wasn't sent to the gentiles he
0:11:22 himself stated that he was sent to the
0:11:24 lost sheep of israel a very famous
0:11:26 narration i'm not sure if any of you
0:11:27 know it and you should know this
0:11:28 narration
0:11:30 because it
0:11:31 it's it's it's actually
0:11:33 and we would say this definitely didn't
0:11:35 happen
0:11:37 but this indicates racism and
0:11:38 discrimination
0:11:40 uh a canaanite woman came to jesus
0:11:44 in the bible the new testament now
0:11:47 and she asked him to heal her
0:11:49 and he says he doesn't he called her a
0:11:51 dog basically
0:11:53 you know
0:11:55 after she begged him a little bit more
0:11:56 he healed her
0:11:59 and they say well that abra gets the
0:12:00 first thing it doesn't abrogate anything
0:12:01 he still called her a dog because she
0:12:03 was a gentile she wasn't a jew
0:12:05 and you could look at
0:12:06 this very famous verse
0:12:09 and jesus in the new testament said do
0:12:11 not go in the way of the gentiles
0:12:13 for i was only sent to the lost sheep of
0:12:15 israel
0:12:16 very clear and decisive verse it's only
0:12:19 really
0:12:20 when you look at the history of
0:12:22 christianity
0:12:23 when did christianity become a
0:12:24 universalizing religion
0:12:27 it became a universalizing religion
0:12:29 when paul
0:12:30 had an interpretation
0:12:32 of christianity
0:12:34 which was universalizing which was
0:12:37 we'll go to the gentiles and so on
0:12:40 but i'm not sure if you guys know who
0:12:42 james is who knows who james is
0:12:43 according to christians
0:12:46 yeah the brother of jesus christ they
0:12:48 believe he's the brother of jesus christ
0:12:50 and james if you look at
0:12:53 the books of
0:12:55 he was supposedly written and so on
0:12:57 he was firmly on the old covenant he
0:12:59 firmly believed in the law or the jews
0:13:02 today called the halacha he firmly
0:13:04 believed in all that in fact
0:13:05 he
0:13:06 and we can go into this but he tested
0:13:08 paul himself
0:13:11 about things like circumcision i mean
0:13:12 they were fighting each other for a
0:13:13 circumcision
0:13:14 you know he tested paul to see if he in
0:13:17 fact believed in the law
0:13:19 and paul
0:13:20 replied that yes he believes in the law
0:13:22 he believed that you know and he was he
0:13:24 was lying actually because when you look
0:13:26 at his books there's 13 books in the new
0:13:28 testament attributed to paul
0:13:30 all of them indicate that he wasn't he
0:13:31 doesn't believe he believes in a new
0:13:33 covenant he believes that jesus
0:13:36 the fact that he died for the sins
0:13:38 of humanity means that we don't have to
0:13:40 abide by that law so he pretended
0:13:43 when he was in front of james
0:13:45 to abide by the law but when
0:13:47 in his own teachings
0:13:50 he uh
0:13:52 he didn't abide by the law so the
0:13:53 universalizing message of christianity
0:13:57 was partly because of paul and then
0:14:00 because of the roman empire when they
0:14:02 when they took on christianity it
0:14:03 couldn't be a localized religion for the
0:14:04 jews it had to be something which was
0:14:06 universalized for everyone otherwise
0:14:08 policy could not be extracted from it
0:14:10 and unity unity cannot be made from it
0:14:13 but if you look at the explicit verses
0:14:17 of the uh
0:14:19 of of the bible you can easily make a
0:14:21 case
0:14:22 for the localized nature of the message
0:14:24 of jesus himself do not go in the way of
0:14:27 you know the gentiles for i was only
0:14:29 sent to the lost sheep of israel
0:14:31 but the fact that this is not jesus will
0:14:33 become even more clear
0:14:35 in the verses that follow
0:14:37 he stated i the lord
0:14:40 have called you in righteousness
0:14:42 i will take hold of your hand i will
0:14:44 keep you and will make you
0:14:46 to be a covenant for the people and the
0:14:49 light for the gentiles
0:14:50 to open the to open eyes that's our
0:14:53 blind and what does that remind you of
0:14:56 to open eyes that are blind the
0:14:57 christians will say this is you know
0:14:59 this is jesus but what did we see in the
0:15:01 hadith
0:15:02 we saw this exact terminology
0:15:05 who remembers what the hadith said
0:15:07 yeah um
0:15:09 which will be opened blind eyes and
0:15:11 death is and enveloped hearts
0:15:16 exactly to open eyes
0:15:19 that are blind
0:15:21 to free captives from prison and to
0:15:24 release them from the dungeon what does
0:15:27 that remind you of
0:15:31 not the hadith but something even
0:15:38 clearer this this sentence here says
0:15:43 to free captives from prison
0:15:50 say again slavery
0:15:52 this is captive so it could be uh yeah
0:15:55 any prisoners
0:15:56 uh the congress
0:15:59 no
0:15:59 what did we just read in the beginning
0:16:01 of the uh
0:16:02 thing
0:16:03 in the surah in chapter 7 157
0:16:08 can you go back to that
0:16:09 can you go back to the translation of
0:16:11 that
0:16:19 okay yeah
0:16:33 how is that
0:16:35 and translated them from the burdens and
0:16:37 the shackles that bound them beautiful
0:16:39 so they were imprisoned they were in
0:16:41 shackles and then
0:16:43 they were made free from those shackles
0:16:45 so what do we find here we find here it
0:16:47 says
0:16:48 to open the eyes that are blind which is
0:16:49 in the hadith to free captives from
0:16:51 prison meaning to release them from the
0:16:53 shackles and release them from the
0:16:54 dungeon
0:16:56 okay so this is not okay there's not an
0:16:57 actual dungeon this metaphoric speech
0:17:02 those who sit in darkness so if if those
0:17:04 who are sitting in darkness that must
0:17:06 mean that the person that is coming must
0:17:08 be coming with what
0:17:10 like and what does the ayah continue to
0:17:12 say
0:17:26 right so so the following these people
0:17:28 that are in darkness in the dungeons are
0:17:30 now following a light
0:17:32 so the ayah is there
0:17:34 the hadith is that and now you have this
0:17:36 can you see the parallel so far
0:17:40 but the parallels become even more
0:17:42 clear when we continue he continues i am
0:17:46 the lord that is my name i will not give
0:17:49 my glory to another or praise to idols
0:17:52 see the former things that have taken
0:17:53 place and new things i declare
0:17:55 before they spring
0:17:57 into being so if before they speak into
0:17:59 being means this is about the present or
0:18:00 the future
0:18:02 future because this i announce them to
0:18:05 you he's going to announce the future
0:18:07 sing to the lord a new song
0:18:11 his praise from the ends of the earth
0:18:13 you who go down to the sea and all that
0:18:16 is in it
0:18:17 you islands and all who live in them
0:18:19 let the desert and its towns raise their
0:18:22 voices let the settlements where kedar
0:18:25 lives rejoice
0:18:27 now in the bible
0:18:30 and you'll see this from your slides
0:18:32 it's clear who kedar is who is kedar
0:18:36 jesus yeah he's one of the sons of
0:18:38 ishmael right
0:18:40 so he can't be one
0:18:43 he can't be jewish it's finished
0:18:46 he must be wha
0:18:49 he's an arab
0:18:50 ishmael is the father of all of the
0:18:52 arabs
0:18:53 now i'm going to read to you exactly
0:18:55 what it says in the bible so
0:18:57 this is not
0:18:58 telling you
0:18:59 this is
0:19:03 genesis chapter 25 verse 13.
0:19:07 and these are the names of the sons of
0:19:09 ishmael by their names according to
0:19:11 their generation the first born of
0:19:13 ishmael
0:19:14 and then
0:19:16 nebajoth
0:19:18 pronounced his name and kedar and adbil
0:19:21 and mibsam
0:19:23 so these are the names of who the sons
0:19:25 of ishmael it's made
0:19:27 okay
0:19:28 now where are they
0:19:30 well the bible tells us ezekiel chapter
0:19:32 27 verse 21
0:19:34 the arabians and the princes of kedar
0:19:37 sent merchants to trade lambs and rams
0:19:39 and mail goats in exchange for your
0:19:41 goods
0:19:42 so they are located in arabia
0:19:45 so you have these people that are
0:19:47 located in arabia who are arabs
0:19:50 and of all of the nations the canaanites
0:19:52 here malik every single nation that the
0:19:54 bible mentions which
0:19:56 could be i don't know in the dozens yeah
0:19:59 in this very verse
0:20:02 it mentions kedar the arabs
0:20:07 how significant is that
0:20:12 that's extremely significant i mean no
0:20:14 and this is so decisive
0:20:17 that it will
0:20:19 have an impact on someone who truly
0:20:21 believes in this book
0:20:22 how could it not
0:20:24 it's literally talking about which other
0:20:26 arab
0:20:27 came to the arabian peninsula and did
0:20:30 any of these things
0:20:31 let alone all of these things and
0:20:34 claimed prophethood
0:20:37 and was followed
0:20:39 not just that he was actually followed
0:20:41 not muslim
0:20:42 who was not followed then
0:20:44 relegated to the trash heap of history
0:20:51 let the people of selah sing for joy and
0:20:52 let them shout from the mountaintops
0:20:55 many have said sella here
0:20:57 is talking about the mountains in medina
0:21:00 which are actually called salah
0:21:02 now what is really interesting is that
0:21:04 you know if you read the seerah you'll
0:21:05 find that the
0:21:07 the jews in that area they have actually
0:21:10 gone to that area
0:21:12 because
0:21:13 they were expecting
0:21:15 a prophet to come
0:21:21 and this is not something which is
0:21:22 absent in the bible
0:21:25 in the very book of isaiah and i forget
0:21:27 the exact reference we can get it yeah
0:21:29 they were expecting a profit to come
0:21:31 from the quote-unquote thickets of
0:21:33 arabia
0:21:34 the thickets of arabia
0:21:36 so why is it the jews went to arabia
0:21:38 anyway they went there according to the
0:21:40 seerah
0:21:41 because they wanted they were expecting
0:21:42 a prophet i was going to come in the
0:21:43 future
0:21:44 the bible actually mentions
0:21:46 it gives them that
0:21:47 that indication and if you if you read
0:21:49 the story of
0:21:51 uh for example
0:21:55 who is safiya's father actually one of
0:21:57 the prophet's wives who's a jew
0:22:00 ethnically jewish
0:22:03 and she had that dream
0:22:04 why did he get so angry
0:22:06 do you remember that dream she had a
0:22:08 dream that basically the
0:22:10 i think it was the son of the moon you
0:22:12 know came into our house and
0:22:14 and he he hit her he abused her like you
0:22:17 beating her up slapped her in her face
0:22:20 he understood interpreted the dreamers
0:22:22 the prophet is going to
0:22:24 come and he interprets the dreamers it's
0:22:26 not going to be a jew either
0:22:28 so because he was able to interpret the
0:22:29 dream in that way
0:22:30 he he got immediately triggered and he
0:22:33 abused his daughter he slapped him
0:22:36 which shows that these jewish people
0:22:39 this is just one of many stories by the
0:22:40 way they they knew
0:22:42 that the prophet because their bible
0:22:44 tells them i mean not their bible but
0:22:46 the old testament the the hebrew bible
0:22:49 the torah whether it was preserved or
0:22:51 not at that time
0:22:52 whatever it was it told them that
0:22:56 that it was going to be in the thickets
0:22:57 of arabia maybe they were hoping it
0:22:59 would be a jew just like them
0:23:01 because a lot of it is tribal remember
0:23:04 this old testament describes ismail as a
0:23:07 wild man
0:23:11 you can easily see with all due respect
0:23:14 and i have no problem saying this the
0:23:16 racism in this book
0:23:19 yeah because they depict
0:23:22 for tribal reasons
0:23:23 they depict uh you know the arabians
0:23:27 as such and such and
0:23:29 they depict
0:23:30 the the jews as such and such
0:23:32 it's it's clear
0:23:35 the issues here
0:23:37 and second secondarily like ismail is a
0:23:40 wild man yeah
0:23:42 but not just this
0:23:44 the way that they subject god
0:23:47 whoever the
0:23:48 harifa corrupted this book
0:23:50 to a subordinate position respective to
0:23:53 their tribe is clear
0:23:55 god repented to israel can you imagine
0:23:57 that's a biblical verse god repented to
0:24:00 israel
0:24:01 you know the almighty god repented to
0:24:03 israel
0:24:04 god wrestled jacob and he lost the
0:24:07 wrestling match
0:24:09 what kind of thing is this okay it's a
0:24:10 metaphor okay it was the angel but it's
0:24:12 just what kind of metaphor is this
0:24:14 anyway
0:24:15 jacob obviously is the father of jews so
0:24:18 god is being submitted here being
0:24:21 defeated here the imagery whether it's
0:24:22 metaphorical otherwise
0:24:24 he's being defeated by the jewish super
0:24:27 tribe
0:24:29 and
0:24:30 and god is being forced to repent to
0:24:32 this jewish super tribe and so you can
0:24:35 see it's like any anyone who knows a
0:24:36 tribal society knows how important tribe
0:24:39 is and so imagine now they have to
0:24:41 contend with the fact that this last
0:24:43 prophet that's going to come that's
0:24:44 mentioned in their book is actually from
0:24:46 the other guys
0:24:48 the cousins
0:24:53 so we continue
0:24:55 let the settlements where kedar lives
0:24:56 rejoice why where they live
0:24:59 because that is and this by the way it
0:25:01 nullifies jesus from being a contender
0:25:03 he was not sent to that area at all
0:25:05 it's finished now isn't it because you
0:25:07 know i can say well he's talking about
0:25:08 jesus oh because the eyes and the
0:25:09 blindness jesus was not sent to arabia
0:25:12 by consensus
0:25:14 whether it's with bethlehem or somewhere
0:25:16 else but it was not it was certainly not
0:25:18 arabia or the hijas region or the kedar
0:25:21 let the people of cella sing for joy let
0:25:23 the let them shout from the mountaintops
0:25:26 so there were mountains in the area as
0:25:27 we know medina does have mountains
0:25:30 let the people of selah sing for joy let
0:25:32 them shout of the mountains let them
0:25:34 give glory to to god or to lord and
0:25:36 proclaim his praise in the island
0:25:40 the lord will march out like a mighty
0:25:41 man
0:25:43 like a warrior he will stir up his zeal
0:25:46 so he is talking about a warrior we can
0:25:48 say i was talking about the lord but
0:25:49 this language of the lord going out and
0:25:51 fighting
0:25:53 sometimes that is used to depict those
0:25:56 who are going to go out and fighting on
0:25:58 his behalf and i can send you guys
0:26:00 inshaallah references for that it's we
0:26:01 can easily prove that in the bible and
0:26:03 the lord is coming out meaning
0:26:05 those people are coming out
0:26:06 but he's a warrior
0:26:08 so it is once again if this is how we
0:26:09 interpret it then that disqualifies
0:26:11 jesus christ
0:26:12 like a warrior he will stir up his zeal
0:26:16 with a shout he will raise the battle
0:26:17 cry
0:26:19 and we will triumph over his enemies
0:26:23 so that's what i mean once again we it's
0:26:25 not jesus
0:26:27 because he according to all according to
0:26:29 us he tried he actually did he he
0:26:31 triumphed over his enemies but according
0:26:32 to them his their narrative he certainly
0:26:34 didn't i mean
0:26:37 and by the way just on this side note i
0:26:40 will cover this more in detail the
0:26:41 crucifixion
0:26:42 it's it's really interesting to look at
0:26:44 psalms 92
0:26:46 because psalms 92 almost like even
0:26:48 augustine
0:26:49 major scholar he considered that to be a
0:26:51 prophecy of jesus and you know what he
0:26:53 said in psalms 9 2 it seems that the
0:26:55 angels will raise him up now obviously
0:26:57 that
0:26:58 but he'll be saved like basically the
0:27:00 the massanic figure will be saved
0:27:03 he will not be uh killed
0:27:05 basically he'll be saved
0:27:07 and so our narrative is in line with the
0:27:09 prophecies in the old testament way more
0:27:11 than their narratives are
0:27:13 whether it relates to jesus or whether
0:27:15 it relates to muhammad and they can't
0:27:17 make this relate to jesus
0:27:24 for a long time now
0:27:26 i have kept silent i have been quiet and
0:27:28 held myself back but now like a woman in
0:27:31 childbirth i cry cry out i gasp and pant
0:27:35 i will lay waste the mountains and hills
0:27:38 and dry up all their vegetation
0:27:42 i will turn rivers into islands and dry
0:27:44 up the the pools i will lead the blind
0:27:48 by ways they have not known
0:27:50 along unfamiliar paths i will guide them
0:27:53 i will turn the darkness into light
0:27:55 before them
0:27:56 and make the rough places smooth
0:27:59 there are the things i will do i will
0:28:01 not forsake them
0:28:03 but those who trust in idols who say
0:28:05 to images you are my gods
0:28:07 will be turned back into utter shame
0:28:10 a very islamic message indeed
0:28:12 and then it continues
0:28:14 but this is um
0:28:22 yes yes
0:28:23 um
0:28:24 but what i will say is uh this
0:28:26 before we uh because it's going to be a
0:28:28 pretty short session in terms of what we
0:28:30 cover
0:28:31 who they say it is so i wanted to find
0:28:32 out who they who i mean who are they the
0:28:34 jewish people because we know that
0:28:36 christians are going to say for the most
0:28:37 part is christ and that's very weak as
0:28:40 we've seen
0:28:41 but jewish people say
0:28:43 the identification of the servant in
0:28:44 these verses
0:28:46 so
0:28:46 possibilities include cyrus
0:28:50 cyrus to get a great according to sadia
0:28:52 okay they say cyrus cyrus was a
0:28:54 polytheist
0:28:55 by his
0:28:59 and this sadia keeps coming up and
0:29:01 by the way the jews have something
0:29:02 called
0:29:03 mid russian so there they have something
0:29:05 called
0:29:08 they have something called halacha and
0:29:10 haggadah
0:29:16 and then you had something called
0:29:17 midrash or the midrashian
0:29:20 the midrashim is the plural of the word
0:29:21 midrash which is basically the exegesis
0:29:25 of the old testament in this case
0:29:28 midrash rabba
0:29:30 is the um the interpretation of the exit
0:29:32 jesus of the first five books of
0:29:35 the old testament which they considered
0:29:37 to be the torah
0:29:39 they don't have midrash for this because
0:29:40 clearly it's not in the five first first
0:29:42 five books it's another book the first
0:29:44 it was like this fifth or sixth book of
0:29:46 the prophets
0:29:47 the naviyam
0:29:49 uh
0:29:50 the navi is basically a nebby
0:29:52 so this is in that collection
0:29:55 so they don't have
0:29:56 i have not come across midrash on this
0:29:58 but what we see what we're looking at
0:29:59 here is now the opinions these guys
0:30:02 sadia and uh
0:30:04 you know you know ibn ezra and
0:30:08 these names they keep coming up
0:30:11 they're the most authoritative names
0:30:13 basically yes
0:30:17 uh from when i looked at it it wasn't
0:30:19 complete i don't think it's complete i
0:30:22 think uh
0:30:24 i mean it's
0:30:27 they definitely have it for genesis
0:30:30 it's called
0:30:31 genesis rubber
0:30:33 i think they they certainly have of
0:30:34 exodus now leviticus and deuteronomy's
0:30:37 numbers i i have to look again and see
0:30:39 if it's complete because from when i
0:30:40 looked at it last time i wasn't actually
0:30:42 complete i had the whole set in front of
0:30:43 me
0:30:44 uh but you can basically there's a
0:30:46 website if you want to know about jewish
0:30:47 stuff
0:30:48 safaria.com s-e-f-a-r-i-a
0:30:52 and this is the most compendious
0:30:55 encyclopedic
0:30:56 uh database for jewish material whether
0:30:59 it's the talmud because remember the
0:31:01 talmud is are the rulings that you had
0:31:04 that and the ishmael
0:31:06 if you like of the jewish scholars from
0:31:09 from whenever it was and they have two
0:31:11 major talmuds they have the the
0:31:13 babylonian talmud and they have the
0:31:15 palestinian talmud
0:31:17 okay so you have two talmuds where
0:31:19 you'll find rulings and then as i've
0:31:21 mentioned
0:31:22 you then have the commentaries like
0:31:24 midrash the mid-russian like genesis
0:31:27 rubber
0:31:28 like
0:31:29 you know
0:31:31 you know exodus rubber and so on you
0:31:33 know these are the you'll find them on
0:31:34 there
0:31:35 and then you'll find um the talmudic
0:31:37 stuff
0:31:38 and a whole range of commentaries and
0:31:40 discussions and stuff like that
0:31:42 safari is by far the best
0:31:44 resource you can access jewish material
0:31:47 on
0:31:48 and so yeah i mean for sure we can say
0:31:50 that we can say that
0:31:54 so that's one it can't be thyris now
0:31:56 some of them say cyrus
0:32:00 yes
0:32:01 exactly beautiful right but they say
0:32:03 because he went left to east and west he
0:32:05 must have went to the uk they need
0:32:06 someone that has been in that area right
0:32:09 so they say it's him he's a polytheist
0:32:11 there's even there's even extra biblical
0:32:13 information saying that
0:32:15 he was worshiping i don't know this god
0:32:16 and that god and it's engraved in stone
0:32:18 like you can easily find this stuff
0:32:21 some people say it's um
0:32:28 the prophet himself so they're talking
0:32:30 this case about azaya
0:32:31 so some say says isaiah but if it's
0:32:33 isaiah
0:32:35 why is he talking about him in the
0:32:36 future ten
0:32:37 why was he talking about himself like
0:32:39 that in the future
0:32:40 if you look at the book of isaiah when
0:32:42 he does talk about himself he doesn't
0:32:44 in the third person but he doesn't ever
0:32:45 speak about himself in the future tense
0:32:47 so this
0:32:49 he's one of the prophets they consider
0:32:50 him a prophet
0:32:52 no no no
0:32:54 yeah exactly right now but they would
0:32:56 argue it doesn't say that the person
0:32:57 himself has to be arab
0:32:59 he said that the people he's going to
0:33:00 are arab so you've got to be careful of
0:33:02 these nuances
0:33:03 but
0:33:05 the point is
0:33:06 he's talking in the future
0:33:09 i mean it's it's it's not him right
0:33:11 because if it's talking about the future
0:33:12 how could it be him
0:33:14 the messiah
0:33:16 okay the messiah which means for the
0:33:18 jews they'd still think he hasn't come
0:33:19 yet
0:33:21 this is this person who fulfilled all
0:33:22 this criterion but for the christians it
0:33:24 has to say it's jesus which we say it
0:33:26 doesn't fulfill any other criteria
0:33:29 and this is the most the last gasp
0:33:34 uh rashi rashi is a big name once again
0:33:36 he says it's uh the israel the israelite
0:33:39 nation as a whole
0:33:42 which i mean it's very difficult right
0:33:45 because it's clearly talking about one
0:33:47 person throughout
0:33:49 in fact it uses the word
0:33:51 which is exactly the same zabadi
0:33:54 you know the the hebrew language which i
0:33:57 had to study at a very very basic level
0:34:00 and don't
0:34:01 quiz me on it
0:34:04 has very similar words
0:34:06 they don't have a
0:34:07 ver per se they don't have like that but
0:34:09 there is it's a it is a bet
0:34:12 which is the bear so in the beginning
0:34:13 when i saw this is
0:34:15 literally saying abdi
0:34:16 is spelt in the same way as you know
0:34:19 they have iron as well
0:34:21 you know and they have a bet it's like
0:34:24 the hyena and the
0:34:25 bear and so on they have a dalet we have
0:34:27 a da
0:34:29 you know
0:34:30 they have a a
0:34:32 you know
0:34:38 you know the hebrew language is quite
0:34:39 interesting because it's very similar to
0:34:41 the arabic language
0:34:45 you know
0:34:46 i know
0:34:58 sounds quite similar to one two three
0:34:59 four five in arabic isn't it
0:35:02 you know and so on
0:35:04 so if you look at even some of the words
0:35:07 you know he is the one who is
0:35:10 chosen the chosen one
0:35:13 the same even some of the lexico
0:35:15 wordings there is concurrent with what
0:35:17 we find in the quran and sunnah by the
0:35:19 prophet muhammad
0:35:21 it's not ibadi
0:35:23 they would have to also make it plural
0:35:24 if he's talking about
0:35:26 israel as a nation why is it why is it
0:35:28 in the singular
0:35:29 we have some serious questions to be
0:35:31 asked here
0:35:32 so this is really a thorn in their side
0:35:34 it really really is
0:35:35 and i've seen them really struggle with
0:35:37 this
0:35:38 and
0:35:39 there is i've seen good work being done
0:35:41 adnan rashid has done some good work on
0:35:43 this like i said abu zakir is bringing
0:35:45 something out and there's a man called
0:35:47 dr ali atai
0:35:49 i think this is his name and he's he's
0:35:51 very good he knows hebrew very well he's
0:35:54 got phd in there and he's engaged in
0:35:56 these discussions as well so if anyone
0:35:58 wants further information they can refer
0:36:00 to these sources and hopefully if that
0:36:03 made sense wassalamualaikum
0:36:05 warahmatullahi