Londoniyyah - Part 25 - Takfeer | Mohammed Hijab (2022-04-12) ​

0:00:11 how are you guys doing this is a very
0:00:12 important session that we're going to be
0:00:13 talking about today and this is a
0:00:16 session
0:00:17 which is about take fear
0:00:19 and take fear really is the arabic word
0:00:21 uh meaning to excommunicate in the
0:00:23 terminological sense
0:00:24 and why have we decided to talk about
0:00:27 this because it's something which
0:00:30 affects the muslim community and affects
0:00:32 the tao of muslims it affects
0:00:34 cohesion within islam or within the
0:00:36 muslim world people in islam
0:00:39 and therefore is worthy of discussion
0:00:41 it's worthy of elaboration it's worthy
0:00:44 of hallucination
0:00:46 we're going to read inshaallah as we
0:00:48 always do
0:00:49 the part of the poem which discusses
0:00:50 this matter and then we're going to
0:00:52 speak about this in a little bit more
0:00:53 detail
0:01:08 so this is a very um very short and
0:01:10 brief uh
0:01:12 poetic expression here
0:01:14 and uh basically what the sheikh was
0:01:16 mentioning here two groups of people
0:01:17 which we're going to handle in turn
0:01:20 the first are
0:01:21 referred to as tafiris or those who have
0:01:23 uh
0:01:24 an inappropriate way of excommunicating
0:01:26 other muslims
0:01:28 and others who are the eyes who they do
0:01:30 the same thing
0:01:32 but when it comes to the bidder or
0:01:35 claiming that these people are heretics
0:01:37 of other muslims they're taking them out
0:01:39 of the fold of orthodoxy
0:01:42 and so we'll start and turn with the
0:01:43 tech fairies now tactilism is a very
0:01:46 important topic not least because it is
0:01:48 the gateway if you like is the auxiliary
0:01:51 road
0:01:52 to um
0:01:54 these kinds of groups which kill people
0:01:57 whether muslims are not muslims and
0:01:58 trains planes and automobiles they are
0:02:00 the ones who uh
0:02:03 isis as we've seen for example
0:02:05 kill other muslims and other uh
0:02:07 individuals uh we've seen them try and
0:02:10 take land and uh in the middle east and
0:02:12 and do all kinds of atrocious acts and
0:02:14 they take us back they take us back in
0:02:16 terms of the dao they take us back in
0:02:17 terms of what we
0:02:19 uh stand for they take us back in terms
0:02:22 of what muslims
0:02:23 come to represent and of course
0:02:26 they act as a serious barrier to entry
0:02:30 for muslims that are considering or
0:02:32 people that are considering islam as a
0:02:33 religion of of truth because they say
0:02:35 look at this it's a religion of um war
0:02:37 it's a religion of violence the religion
0:02:39 of uh barbarism and so on and so forth
0:02:41 so we need to know where this all starts
0:02:44 we need to know the history of it we
0:02:46 need to be familiar with these things
0:02:47 because if we are not
0:02:48 then
0:02:49 once again the detractors right wing
0:02:51 detractors alt-right detractors
0:02:53 orientalist detractors
0:02:55 and even within our own ranks those
0:02:57 individuals who have been
0:02:59 tainted and corrupted
0:03:00 with these kinds of ideologies
0:03:02 will make it seem as if this is the
0:03:04 interpretation which is normative and
0:03:07 orthodox within islam
0:03:09 now i just want to add one thing so why
0:03:10 is it that excommunication
0:03:12 will lead this is a question that
0:03:14 someone may have why is it that
0:03:15 excommunication will lead
0:03:18 to the killing of people
0:03:21 why is it in particular so why can you
0:03:22 not for example why is it inconceivable
0:03:24 that ex-communication does not lead to
0:03:26 for example just the shunning of people
0:03:27 why does it lead to the killing of
0:03:29 people as we'll find we'll come to find
0:03:31 out that excommunication
0:03:34 is needed for the killing of people in
0:03:36 order to categorize them
0:03:38 as harveys which is really a
0:03:41 a
0:03:42 category
0:03:43 which is the combatant
0:03:46 and the jurists in islam have divided
0:03:50 you know non-muslims uh for convenience
0:03:53 into three different uh groups the muah
0:03:55 had the me and the the
0:03:58 the combatant meaning the one who means
0:03:59 harm to you and to your community the
0:04:01 one who is a threat
0:04:04 and so obviously in order to attack and
0:04:06 kill muslims
0:04:08 you'd have to first get them out of
0:04:10 islam and then make the argument that
0:04:12 they are now in this category of harvey
0:04:14 or the combatant category so there's two
0:04:16 things that need to be done first the
0:04:18 excommunication needs to be done and
0:04:20 then you need to indic you need to
0:04:22 somehow argue that they are not just
0:04:24 disbelievers
0:04:26 because an apostate would not be killed
0:04:28 uh
0:04:29 through vigilantism okay that you need
0:04:31 to argue that these people are actually
0:04:33 combatants they are um somehow a threat
0:04:36 to you an existential threat to you to
0:04:38 your community and that their blood is
0:04:40 halal literally this is the these are
0:04:42 the steps that need to be taken
0:04:44 now
0:04:46 we're going to go through the the the
0:04:48 slide
0:04:50 eventemia
0:04:51 scholar which is very important in this
0:04:53 discussion because
0:04:56 it's not true by the way to think that
0:04:58 what all tech feelings are salafi
0:05:00 inclined as we're going to come to see
0:05:01 today
0:05:02 many takfiris are sufi inclined they are
0:05:05 ash hari and have been
0:05:06 inclined maturity
0:05:08 all of the groups of islam there have
0:05:10 been taffiris in every single one of
0:05:11 them it's not the case that all just
0:05:13 because today
0:05:14 the the popular type of take fellaism is
0:05:17 salafi tequilaism or if you want to call
0:05:19 it that well it's not really salafism in
0:05:21 the sense of going back to the self but
0:05:23 they are they ascribe themselves to that
0:05:25 kind of thing so that their reading list
0:05:28 would be ibn and muhammad
0:05:31 that would be their reading list they
0:05:33 wouldn't refer like for example isis or
0:05:34 al qaeda or jabhat al-nusra whoever may
0:05:37 be they wouldn't refer to
0:05:40 you know
0:05:42 i don't know
0:05:45 they might actually to be fair they were
0:05:47 a shafai but
0:05:48 they wouldn't refer to uh
0:05:54 you know or they wouldn't refer to uh
0:05:57 for instance they would refer to me they
0:05:59 would refer to her and so on that that
0:06:01 is their reading list now whether okay
0:06:03 well they're not actually following ibn
0:06:04 tamiya and abdul hab this is the
0:06:07 discussion okay let's look at that
0:06:09 but what they claim to follow is this
0:06:12 this is important okay
0:06:14 and so
0:06:15 what he states and
0:06:17 is a person whose
0:06:18 contemporary who writes about these kind
0:06:20 of heroes theological issues
0:06:23 is that
0:06:24 the oneness of allah subhanahu these are
0:06:26 the things that are very clear in islam
0:06:28 and by the way there's a in the quran
0:06:39 do not say to the one who is uh who says
0:06:42 salam to you that you're not is it
0:06:45 that you're not a mukmina that you're
0:06:46 not a believer that you may try and
0:06:50 you know
0:06:51 get some kind of worldly gain from that
0:06:54 so it's clear
0:06:55 that the things which are very clear in
0:06:56 islam is the wonders of islam the
0:06:58 prophet prophet muhammad the quran is
0:07:01 revealed by allah
0:07:04 the issues known by necessity which is
0:07:05 referred to as
0:07:08 now the truth of the matter is that
0:07:09 sometimes there needs to be fear as well
0:07:11 it doesn't we're not saying the argument
0:07:13 is not
0:07:14 that there's no such thing as tafir in
0:07:16 islam
0:07:17 i mean i don't want anyone to get that
0:07:18 wrong because there are some things
0:07:20 which if you do reject
0:07:22 that you become a disbeliever
0:07:24 for example if someone rejects the
0:07:26 prophethood of prophet muhammad
0:07:27 or the oneness of god
0:07:29 or the things which are known by
0:07:30 necessity in the religion of islam
0:07:32 they cannot even if they call themselves
0:07:34 muslim
0:07:36 they cannot actually be muslim
0:07:39 because being muslim is not just
0:07:41 believing in allah and the messenger
0:07:43 it's actually
0:07:45 believing in allah and the messenger in
0:07:46 the ways which are clear
0:07:48 in the quran and
0:07:50 allah he makes us clear
0:07:52 that the quran
0:07:53 has ayat in it
0:07:59 that there are some ayat which are very
0:08:00 clear-cut in chapter three verse seven
0:08:02 you know unambiguous and other ones
0:08:04 which are ambiguous
0:08:14 that the ones who
0:08:17 who want to create some kind of
0:08:19 corruption will follow the ambiguous
0:08:21 verses rather than the
0:08:24 rather than the the
0:08:25 foundational ones so in terms of
0:08:29 there are things which by the way
0:08:31 books that have been written
0:08:33 uh
0:08:34 above us
0:08:35 you know
0:08:37 about what is
0:08:39 of the issue of things which are known
0:08:40 in the religion by necessity
0:08:43 you know um
0:08:45 and um
0:08:47 writes a book on this actually
0:08:49 but he also in that book that he writes
0:08:52 he he he um
0:08:54 he's careful he's always careful to say
0:08:56 don't make fear
0:08:58 on these issues
0:08:59 and then
0:09:02 he writes a book on the on this
0:09:04 uh on the things which are like
0:09:07 clear-cut things which uh and funny
0:09:09 enough hajj al-haitami
0:09:11 once again would not be accepted by
0:09:13 the likes of isis and so on and he
0:09:15 believes in this
0:09:16 which is uh
0:09:18 calling upon the prophet in his grave
0:09:20 and stuff like that so but you know he
0:09:21 wrote a book like this and in in the
0:09:23 newer time and this is interesting
0:09:25 they have uh
0:09:27 islam which is written by muhammad
0:09:30 which is a book which is a like two-page
0:09:31 book
0:09:32 which shouldn't be called really a book
0:09:35 a pamphlet he wrote but the what is
0:09:37 novel about the pamphlet that abdulhab
0:09:39 wrote
0:09:40 was that you don't find that many
0:09:43 um
0:09:44 you don't find that many books like this
0:09:46 actually in islamic history you don't
0:09:48 many you don't find that many books
0:09:50 telling you what are the things which if
0:09:51 you go against
0:09:53 you will become a disbeliever
0:09:56 this was relegated to the cutoff of
0:10:00 and in particular baba riddha
0:10:03 or the chapter of apostasy so for
0:10:06 example if you are studying the shafi'i
0:10:08 method or the humbling method or the
0:10:09 maliki mother or whatever mathematics
0:10:11 then you look at the the bab or the
0:10:14 chapter of
0:10:15 and they'll tell you these are the
0:10:16 things that it's well known that if you
0:10:17 don't believe in them that you'll you'll
0:10:19 become a disbeliever and to be quite
0:10:21 fair in the introductory books they
0:10:23 don't they don't really spend too much
0:10:24 time talking about them
0:10:26 you know they'll mean two pages three
0:10:27 pages
0:10:29 you know these kind of things like it's
0:10:30 not it's not really um elaborative even
0:10:33 in the wallet even in the big books
0:10:35 they're not elaborative i mean
0:10:37 so this is one of the novel reasons why
0:10:39 in my mind why abraham's pamphlets
0:10:41 became quite popular
0:10:42 because they gave
0:10:44 um uh
0:10:46 they they they
0:10:49 thematic they made a theme of something
0:10:50 which was not really a theme in the
0:10:51 islamic
0:10:53 tradition
0:10:55 then of course political issues as
0:10:58 well so these are the things which are
0:11:01 known
0:11:02 and there's recently been books that are
0:11:04 written
0:11:05 about el malumnae
0:11:07 things which are known in the religion
0:11:09 of necessity and stuff like that but
0:11:11 these are contemporary writings rather
0:11:12 than classical ones
0:11:15 now in terms of the group that we should
0:11:16 be aware of other hawaii
0:11:19 and this is a group which the prophet
0:11:20 muhammad himself warned about
0:11:23 you know um in very many hadiths which
0:11:25 are very well known
0:11:31 okay so this is an important point
0:11:33 there's no books that are written by
0:11:34 khalid like you know
0:11:36 we hear a lot of in in history they
0:11:39 refer to this as heresyology
0:11:41 okay so you have
0:11:42 these fiat or firak
0:11:45 which are all groups
0:11:48 that are all claiming orthodoxy in a
0:11:50 religious tradition
0:11:53 and we know about them either through
0:11:55 their the works of their main uh
0:11:57 proponents or through the works of their
0:12:00 adversaries
0:12:01 now the truth of the matter is
0:12:03 jamism
0:12:06 um
0:12:07 proto-mortezalism
0:12:10 there's a lot of works on it like not
0:12:11 proto-martialism
0:12:14 in these guys
0:12:15 and also uh
0:12:17 however ism if you want to call it that
0:12:19 right
0:12:20 o'harajism
0:12:22 these things they don't we don't have
0:12:24 anything
0:12:27 we hear about these groups
0:12:29 the japanese we'll hear a lot about them
0:12:32 you'll see in the books of hanabala
0:12:34 books of ashari's books of maturities
0:12:36 that these groups existed and they're
0:12:38 bad
0:12:39 and this is the reason why they're
0:12:40 deviant and we're not we're not saying
0:12:42 that's not true but we're just saying we
0:12:44 don't have these guys books themselves
0:12:46 we don't know to what extent this is a
0:12:48 biased uh
0:12:50 like from a completely strictly academic
0:12:52 perspective
0:12:53 we don't know to extend this bias has it
0:12:55 has impact impacted or distorted the
0:12:57 ways in which these people have
0:12:59 have uh have understood their version of
0:13:01 the truth
0:13:04 you know
0:13:04 and who once again one man's orthodoxy
0:13:07 is another man's
0:13:08 uh
0:13:09 heterodox heterodoxy
0:13:11 right
0:13:12 one man's orthodox he's another man's
0:13:13 heterotrophs now i'm not saying i'm not
0:13:15 making the case for oh therefore he
0:13:16 agrees with the german and he agrees
0:13:18 with the khawarij i'm not but i'm just
0:13:20 saying we don't have their books so
0:13:23 historians that want to look at this
0:13:24 thing objectively
0:13:26 they will have to go through
0:13:28 the
0:13:29 books of the adversaries who seem who
0:13:31 are now
0:13:32 conveniently the major demography like
0:13:35 ashadis and the hamburgers and whatever
0:13:37 methodology
0:13:39 which is which is a limitation
0:13:42 now
0:13:52 the book by abu hasan ashari
0:13:58 he wrote a book called
0:14:00 islamic
0:14:06 he is
0:14:07 a man who started off as a martazali you
0:14:10 know
0:14:11 and who
0:14:12 after him the ashari school of credo
0:14:16 crude oil school of thought
0:14:18 formed
0:14:20 well at least
0:14:22 those who claim to be ashari are saying
0:14:24 that they follow this man so it's a very
0:14:25 important man okay and he wrote a few
0:14:28 books one of them is called makala
0:14:29 islamiyin which is basically about the
0:14:32 different groups that existed
0:14:33 and he himself when he talks about the
0:14:35 hawaii realizes the limitation in being
0:14:37 able to identify their belief system in
0:14:39 any kind of detail
0:14:43 now the hawaiian of artesians are both
0:14:45 very volatile groups in the sense that
0:14:47 it's it's different it's different to
0:14:49 know exactly
0:14:52 what kind of texture or what kind of
0:14:54 spectrum existed within both in the
0:14:56 early days but they were both um
0:14:59 reactionary and in fact the the the
0:15:02 khawarej were very much reactionary to
0:15:04 another group called the murjaya
0:15:07 now the murjiya and we will come to the
0:15:09 beliefs of the now
0:15:12 should be known in conjunction with one
0:15:13 another okay
0:15:15 the believe that if you commit major
0:15:17 sins
0:15:18 that you become a disbeliever
0:15:20 this is the belief of the haraju
0:15:23 now what
0:15:24 question what are the major sins if
0:15:26 anyone how would you define let me get
0:15:28 the
0:15:29 crew you know people involved how do you
0:15:30 define a major sin
0:15:34 something that there's a punishment that
0:15:36 ascribe for
0:15:37 in the quran
0:15:38 yeah so this is one view that what kind
0:15:40 of punishment uh eschatological
0:15:41 punishment or is it what kind of
0:15:44 like heaven and hell all right or hell
0:15:46 in particular yeah i mean this is one
0:15:48 view
0:15:48 basically a long story short
0:15:51 there's more than one opinion and this
0:15:53 shows you the layers of complexity here
0:15:55 as to what constitutes a major sin
0:15:58 so there's no there's no consensus as to
0:16:00 what
0:16:02 stipulates a major sin
0:16:04 some scholars say it's only the seven
0:16:06 that are mentioned in the hadith of
0:16:08 sabah the seven major sins
0:16:11 the hadith talking about certain
0:16:12 medicines
0:16:13 and it mentions things like can you
0:16:15 mention things like ribbon i mentioned
0:16:16 things like you know interesting mention
0:16:18 things like being bad to your parents
0:16:20 and so on
0:16:22 but then someone like azab he wrote
0:16:24 kitab called the kibber or the major
0:16:26 sins he enumerates 70 major sins
0:16:30 so there's some
0:16:32 degree of difference here as to
0:16:34 what are the major sins of islam in the
0:16:36 first place what are the major sins
0:16:39 if you take the view that well if
0:16:41 anything is being threatened or where
0:16:42 you're being threatened with the
0:16:43 hellfire then you're gonna have a bigger
0:16:44 list
0:16:47 uh if you take the view that actually
0:16:48 it's only the the the the smallest
0:16:51 number is seven
0:16:52 and the biggest number seven hundred you
0:16:54 can have so many
0:16:56 and in the middle is someone like is the
0:16:57 heavy right who says 70
0:17:00 but it is a matter of difference of
0:17:02 opinion
0:17:03 okay
0:17:04 but they say if you if you commit a
0:17:07 major sin
0:17:08 and then you have become a disbeliever
0:17:11 which is why they have made fear on the
0:17:13 sahaba themselves the companions now can
0:17:15 you imagine that
0:17:16 these early people made take fear they
0:17:19 excommunicated the top sahabah
0:17:28 they i mean they killed him they they
0:17:30 killed that
0:17:31 athmetic fan was killed by the khalid
0:17:34 just think about that for a second right
0:17:36 and the reason why they killed them is
0:17:38 because
0:17:39 they say they were not ruling by what
0:17:41 allah has revealed
0:17:42 um
0:17:46 whoever does not rule by what allah has
0:17:48 revealed is a disbeliever
0:17:51 ibn abbas
0:17:52 being one of the akhbar one of the
0:17:54 heavyweight scholars of the companions
0:17:57 he had a debate with one of the
0:18:00 which indicates by the way the
0:18:01 legitimacy and the validity
0:18:04 of debating people who are upon deviance
0:18:08 he had a debate with them and two
0:18:09 thousand of them
0:18:11 came out of hawaii and became back
0:18:13 to the way of the sahaba the way of the
0:18:14 companions
0:18:16 some of them remained the way they were
0:18:18 but this volatile group is what caused
0:18:20 the divisions in early islam
0:18:23 contrary to popular opinion
0:18:26 this was the main group that caused the
0:18:28 fighting between
0:18:30 uh muawiyah and ali
0:18:32 all the other groups that constituted
0:18:34 those two
0:18:35 individuals because these were the
0:18:37 the berserkers that existed within the
0:18:40 ranks
0:18:41 of alibne talib
0:18:44 who would stir the conflict
0:18:46 with mawia
0:18:48 and so these guys because they were
0:18:50 already they were excommunicating people
0:18:53 they
0:18:54 were excommunicating people
0:18:57 they
0:18:58 they were they were taking upon
0:18:59 themselves to kill people because they
0:19:01 remember we said it just takes two or
0:19:03 three steps
0:19:04 excommunicate them and deem them as
0:19:06 combatants
0:19:08 and a contrary to islam
0:19:10 and and then that's it then you have
0:19:12 fighting
0:19:13 you see how quickly it is
0:19:16 going from a muslim that you're praying
0:19:17 with
0:19:18 to someone that you're fighting
0:19:20 two or three steps it's only two or
0:19:22 three steps number one excommunicate
0:19:24 them
0:19:25 number two claim that they are going
0:19:26 against the divine commandments and that
0:19:28 they are not ruling by what allah has
0:19:30 revealed and therefore that they are
0:19:32 combatants therefore you fight them you
0:19:33 have to fight them this was the argument
0:19:36 and we'll see this exact argument
0:19:38 almost a blueprint of it is what is
0:19:40 being used today
0:19:42 by the likes of isis
0:19:44 it's almost a blueprint it's the same
0:19:45 argument
0:19:47 you went from okay you are brothers and
0:19:48 sisters in faith
0:19:50 and you you're marrying their
0:19:53 women and eating their meats and all
0:19:55 that kind of thing and praying with them
0:19:57 to
0:19:58 legitimizing their death
0:20:01 and all it took was two arguments
0:20:03 to be made and people actually fall for
0:20:05 these arguments and their arguments
0:20:07 that's why it's not it's not actually
0:20:09 incorrect for people to think that this
0:20:10 is ideological
0:20:12 we shouldn't think that oh uh why do
0:20:15 radical so-called radicals act in the
0:20:17 way that they act it's not always
0:20:18 because they're deprived and
0:20:19 disenfranchised
0:20:21 and because they're
0:20:23 converts to islam and they were you know
0:20:25 brainwashed by a political agenda that's
0:20:27 true as well but there's also an
0:20:29 ideological element as well this is an
0:20:30 ideological element
0:20:32 and this ideological element whether we
0:20:34 like to admit it or not has been around
0:20:36 since the very early days of islam
0:20:39 in fact the earliest days of islam
0:20:42 but what we will say is
0:20:44 although be that be that the case
0:20:46 although that is the case
0:20:48 we believe that this was despite the
0:20:50 prophet the prophet's teachings despite
0:20:52 the companions teachings not because of
0:20:54 them
0:20:56 and this is the main point of
0:20:57 argumentation here
0:20:59 so this
0:21:00 argument what's that now as we said when
0:21:04 and this always happens right when you
0:21:05 have one group of people
0:21:08 you you get the
0:21:10 for as in physics
0:21:11 for every action there's an equal and
0:21:13 opposite
0:21:14 reaction know i find quite interesting
0:21:16 when you go to luton
0:21:18 yeah you have two groups of uh let's
0:21:20 just be honest you had the right wing
0:21:22 tommy robinson and this kind of and then
0:21:24 you had takfiris
0:21:25 who we're talking about today
0:21:27 anjum chowdhury's law and
0:21:29 and these guys who are basically
0:21:32 the islamic equivalent of the right wing
0:21:35 but they both have very similar kind of
0:21:38 binary arguments it's black and white
0:21:40 and this us and them is fighting it's
0:21:42 all that
0:21:44 and why why is it that in the same
0:21:46 geographic location you saw
0:21:48 action reaction it's because
0:21:51 it's just a psychological phenomena
0:21:52 that's how
0:21:54 it's a sociological phenomenon as well
0:21:55 that's how groups act with one another
0:21:58 if i act
0:21:59 diplomatically and i argue in a very
0:22:01 responsible and uh academic manner then
0:22:04 maybe someone will come and say we need
0:22:06 to argue with him with what whatever
0:22:08 he's coming with we come with that but
0:22:10 if i start going and punching and
0:22:11 stabbing and all of us in this uh we say
0:22:14 you know what forget this we're
0:22:15 discussing and the talking we've been
0:22:16 talking too much let's go drop some
0:22:18 people man
0:22:20 then we're going to get some other
0:22:21 people doing the same thing and it's
0:22:23 going to come up it's not
0:22:24 it's not going to become a war of words
0:22:26 anymore it's going to become war of
0:22:27 fists and knives which is what gang
0:22:29 violence is about
0:22:31 oh they come into our area and it's us
0:22:33 versus them it's how gangs operate
0:22:36 it's how religious groups operate it's
0:22:38 how political parties operate
0:22:40 it's how humans operate
0:22:42 that's how it is when you have an action
0:22:44 you have an equal
0:22:45 and opposite reaction
0:22:47 and sometimes it's not exactly equal and
0:22:49 it's not exactly opposite
0:22:51 but the the sentiment remains right and
0:22:53 so in luton you had that and here you
0:22:55 had this as well because you had
0:22:57 the the hawaii you were saying if you do
0:22:58 one major sin that you're a disbeliever
0:23:01 so what one day you're speaking to your
0:23:02 mom and you say oof or say something
0:23:04 like you've just left the fold of islam
0:23:07 that's a real problem here because islam
0:23:09 has some strict rules and how you have
0:23:10 to
0:23:11 to be with your parents
0:23:14 but the more i said the exact opposite
0:23:16 thing so this group called the muljah
0:23:17 they were categorized or the main thing
0:23:19 about the murja in the early days
0:23:21 is that iman does not go up and it does
0:23:24 not go down
0:23:25 that faith does not go up and down
0:23:28 so the iman of abu wakhla suduk
0:23:32 is the same as the iman of
0:23:35 some drug dealer or something like that
0:23:37 you use a drug user drug dealer and some
0:23:39 you know they're all the same
0:23:41 but obviously there's many many
0:23:43 evidences against this as well there's
0:23:46 i'll give you just one for the sake of
0:23:47 argument i mean
0:23:56 revealed to them it has increased them
0:23:58 in iman which means iman goes up and it
0:24:00 goes down
0:24:01 and the hadith which is very famous
0:24:03 which says that
0:24:06 that the lowest kind of iman is to
0:24:08 remove something from the
0:24:12 like something that would cause injury
0:24:14 from the roadsides which indicates a
0:24:17 gradation
0:24:18 and a spectrum in iman
0:24:21 but the module i said no they said iman
0:24:23 you either have or you don't
0:24:26 you know
0:24:28 and there's no going up and there's no
0:24:29 going down
0:24:30 and we can't judge
0:24:32 the person's
0:24:34 iman based on their actions so long as
0:24:35 what they say
0:24:38 is a word of faith
0:24:40 which is by the way in in christian
0:24:42 theology
0:24:43 this is
0:24:44 does anyone know what it's referred to
0:24:45 as
0:24:48 it's called solafi day
0:24:50 it's good you know it's called solafide
0:24:53 which is the idea that you know
0:24:55 it's a very christian concept by the way
0:24:57 very christian concept so long as you
0:24:59 you believe jesus died for your sins
0:25:00 that's it and what this does is it
0:25:02 alleviates people from responsibility
0:25:05 because it's okay well i'm saved by
0:25:07 faith school saved by
0:25:09 being saved by faith solei fide
0:25:13 so the moji they had this idea of solar
0:25:15 or the equivalent of what's similar to
0:25:17 solar feeding
0:25:19 the hawari had the opposite idea which
0:25:21 is that
0:25:22 you know you lose your
0:25:23 in fact you lose
0:25:27 you lose your iman and your faith by
0:25:29 doing a major action
0:25:30 what we've already i've given you some
0:25:32 evidences of why the moji are wrong what
0:25:35 evidences from quran sunnah can you
0:25:36 think of
0:25:38 that indicate that the hawala wrong
0:25:55 what what indicates in the quran sunnah
0:25:58 that your major sins do not
0:26:00 uh remove your immense entirety
0:26:07 okay i'll give you two minutes to think
0:26:09 about it how about that
0:26:10 i'll give you two minutes to think about
0:26:12 it
0:26:13 go online because i don't want to just
0:26:14 be talking here today
0:26:17 we've done about half of this anyway so
0:26:19 yeah two minutes think about what
0:26:20 evidence is from the quran
0:26:22 indicate the invalidity of the whole of
0:26:24 the rich
0:26:26 yeah go ahead go two minutes and then
0:26:28 we'll come back
0:26:32 you can speak to the person next to you
0:26:35 let's get some ayat and hadith and some
0:26:37 examples of why is the case that we as
0:26:39 the muslims
0:26:42 from the quran from the sunnah
0:26:44 don't believe that committing major sins
0:26:47 disqualifies someone from the fall of
0:26:49 islam
0:26:54 who wants to start us up yeah yeah we
0:26:56 have the hadith of the prostitute who um
0:26:59 fed the dog samota and she was granted
0:27:01 jun because of it okay very beautiful
0:27:04 hadith a very fantastic one as well
0:27:06 and uh
0:27:08 actually i think we should do dao to
0:27:10 prostitutes but i think we should our
0:27:11 sisters should get involved in that
0:27:15 you can you can
0:27:17 i mean it's um
0:27:19 because this is a beautiful imagine
0:27:20 imagine someone who's a prostitute
0:27:22 listening to something like that
0:27:24 it's really one of the most merciful
0:27:26 hadiths i think in the whole tradition
0:27:29 you know
0:27:31 that
0:27:32 you know there's a prostitute here who
0:27:34 what's she doing if not a major sin no
0:27:36 one's gonna
0:27:37 no one's going to argue that being a
0:27:39 prostitute
0:27:40 willfully okay because we're not talking
0:27:42 about but someone's being forced
0:27:45 the quran actually speaks about
0:27:46 prostitutes choose uh
0:27:49 but no one's going to argue about a
0:27:51 prostitute
0:27:53 uh being a prostitute is not major sin
0:27:55 and allah forgave him
0:27:57 and even in the ayah and so allah says
0:28:06 you know do not force your
0:28:09 young women into prostitution
0:28:12 that you may you know
0:28:13 get some worldly gain out of it
0:28:16 allah ends it this ayah
0:28:19 with his mercy and his forgiveness
0:28:22 why would he end it like that to show
0:28:24 that his forgiveness and his mercy
0:28:26 encompasses even those in that
0:28:27 profession
0:28:28 was that woman an actual muslim because
0:28:31 i know we know we we've got the example
0:28:34 of the woman it's very famous but was
0:28:36 she actually in the dean of islam while
0:28:38 she was yeah we would assume so okay we
0:28:40 would assume so because of the
0:28:42 you know the other hadith and ayat which
0:28:44 indicate that you have to have faith
0:28:47 in order to
0:28:48 enter jannah
0:28:50 so definitely that's a brilliant example
0:28:53 anything else any other examples
0:28:56 could you say
0:28:58 yeah we have the example of the
0:28:59 companion who used to drink alcohol
0:29:01 and uh when he would be lashed for the
0:29:04 action some of the companions would like
0:29:06 say bad words to him yes and the prophet
0:29:08 defended him by saying he loves allah
0:29:09 and his messenger and we know that
0:29:11 actions are not accepted except with
0:29:12 faith beautiful that's a fantastic a
0:29:15 beautiful example in fact one important
0:29:17 one for today's climate where uh drug
0:29:19 use and alcohol uses become very high
0:29:21 and i think that a lot of the thing in
0:29:23 the muslim community we don't know how
0:29:24 to deal with this issue
0:29:26 and when i was myself dependent on
0:29:28 opioids prescription opioids i have to i
0:29:31 have to add
0:29:32 no honestly and i had to come off them
0:29:34 slowly
0:29:36 uh i know this was uh not something that
0:29:38 i was doing for fun well at least i hope
0:29:40 to think so
0:29:42 um
0:29:43 i realize you know through the
0:29:44 withdrawal symptoms i'm not sure if
0:29:46 anyone has ever had to
0:29:48 go through this that when you come off
0:29:50 opioids slowly but surely you go through
0:29:52 your body shuts down your body shivers
0:29:54 it starts going hot it starts going you
0:29:57 start you go up you're very happy one
0:29:58 minute and then you're very sad tomorrow
0:30:00 it's it's crazy it's
0:30:02 um really bad
0:30:04 but when i was doing the research on it
0:30:05 i realized that people that are involved
0:30:07 in alcohol use and are dependent on
0:30:09 alcohol
0:30:10 if you tell them to stop alcohol all in
0:30:12 one go they can die
0:30:14 because the withdrawal symptoms can be
0:30:16 death
0:30:17 for someone who so they have to they
0:30:18 actually do have to slowly come off it
0:30:23 this is such a basic thing for me to say
0:30:26 but many people in the muslim community
0:30:28 don't even realize that now you imagine
0:30:29 someone who's a convert to islam is
0:30:31 addicted to alcohol
0:30:33 he goes to the imam local imam and the
0:30:35 local imam says to him if you don't stop
0:30:36 now you're committing major sins all in
0:30:38 one go and then he stops it
0:30:40 and then he dies
0:30:42 because of a fatwa or some because of
0:30:43 the misunderstanding or lack of
0:30:45 understanding
0:30:46 so these things are very important to us
0:30:49 and it and our religion is a religion of
0:30:51 tolerance and mercy and these are
0:30:54 beautiful examples of how that is the
0:30:55 case
0:30:56 so the reason why i mention this is
0:30:58 because we need to not only have the
0:30:59 prophetic
0:31:01 solutions
0:31:02 because remember the man who came to
0:31:03 that although there was some discussion
0:31:05 about the authenticity of the hadith
0:31:08 the man who you know they advised them
0:31:10 to
0:31:11 to have a shower basically like
0:31:14 bathing
0:31:15 and then he he had he done that and he
0:31:17 died because water went into his skull
0:31:19 and whatever because he had an injury
0:31:20 and it was a very cold day like today
0:31:23 so that was an example of prophetic
0:31:24 solutions but we also have the
0:31:26 we also must have the prophetic attitude
0:31:29 which is a very forgiving attitude a
0:31:31 very merciful attitude
0:31:32 like in this situation here with the
0:31:35 drunk man he could have wilded out on
0:31:37 him and said why are you doing this and
0:31:38 he not read the feshtanibu
0:31:40 in the quran you know the ayat and so on
0:31:43 this clear ayat thing how bad
0:31:48 uh it's religious it's it's impurity and
0:31:51 so on this man is falling into the
0:31:53 impurity but the prophet is showing him
0:31:55 the mercy
0:31:57 which indicates with without any doubt
0:31:59 that you can you can do major sins and
0:32:02 still remain
0:32:03 within the fall of islam
0:32:04 and this includes by the way things like
0:32:06 homosexuality
0:32:08 and this might sound like a shock to
0:32:09 many of people here a homosexual just by
0:32:12 committing the act does not become a
0:32:14 disbeliever so a muslim is a homosexual
0:32:18 and there's many people that
0:32:20 do like that
0:32:22 you know there are many people that i've
0:32:24 had communications with that
0:32:26 commit the act of homosexuality the
0:32:28 actual act of it now committing the act
0:32:30 of homosexuality doesn't take you out of
0:32:32 the fold of islam
0:32:33 only if you believe that what you're
0:32:34 committing is okay
0:32:36 like any major sin
0:32:39 that you can commit
0:32:40 does not take you out of the fold of
0:32:42 islam
0:32:43 and there's a beautiful hadith
0:32:45 referring to the 99
0:32:49 people that were killed by somebody who
0:32:50 knows the hadith who wants to explain it
0:33:09 there was a man who um
0:33:11 he basically he went on a bit of a
0:33:12 killing spree so he killed 99 people
0:33:15 and then he started to feel like he
0:33:17 wanted to make repentance for it so um
0:33:19 he went to a place i think a chef
0:33:21 whatever some religious figure to ask
0:33:24 basically whether he would be able to be
0:33:26 forgiven for it
0:33:27 and the man told him that you know no
0:33:29 basically he's done too much so he got
0:33:31 angry and he killed him too so he's got
0:33:33 one some people are addicted to killing
0:33:35 by the way this is you know i'm not
0:33:38 going to say i've met or haven't or
0:33:40 whatever we've seen on
0:33:42 social media these kind of people are
0:33:44 addicted to stabbing and you know cute
0:33:46 continue sorry yeah so
0:33:49 after that
0:33:50 he you know feels like he wants to make
0:33:52 repentance again so he and he's told
0:33:54 that there's uh a place where he can go
0:33:56 you know to
0:33:57 maybe try and get this this this tulba
0:33:59 and to be able to to cleanse himself
0:34:01 from the sins that he was doing
0:34:03 and so then on the way he passes away
0:34:06 and so then the angels begin to
0:34:07 debate amongst themselves uh basically
0:34:10 which which which group of angels should
0:34:12 take him or take his soul should be the
0:34:13 ones who you know the angels of the
0:34:15 hellfire or the angels of heaven
0:34:17 and so then they begin to have this
0:34:19 debate argument amongst themselves and
0:34:20 so then they go to a liar and they get
0:34:23 told that um to to measure the distance
0:34:25 between
0:34:26 the land where he was coming from and
0:34:28 the land where he was going to
0:34:30 uh
0:34:30 and then whichever one he's closer to
0:34:32 then he would be forgiven or he'll won't
0:34:34 be based on his intention
0:34:36 and then i remember correctly i think
0:34:38 like allah made it such that like even
0:34:40 the the scales of the earth moved such
0:34:42 that he would be closer to the place
0:34:43 where he was going so that he would be
0:34:45 forgiven
0:34:46 so of course this type of killing is a
0:34:48 it's a major limitation this is
0:34:49 beautiful this is a beautiful hadith
0:34:50 that shows if you're killing 100 people
0:34:52 you know and if you kill one person it's
0:34:54 like killing all of humanity
0:34:56 you know as the quran states while
0:34:57 you're killing 100 people it's like
0:34:58 killing a humanity 100 times
0:35:00 if you think about it right so you're
0:35:01 killing humanity a hundred times
0:35:04 and things like homosexuality which is
0:35:06 much more taboo
0:35:08 in our community
0:35:10 uh arguably less
0:35:12 problematic than killing someone
0:35:15 i say arguably because there is a
0:35:16 discussion i remember reading this
0:35:18 work and that was he was saying what's
0:35:20 worse
0:35:22 you know
0:35:23 like homosexual penetration
0:35:26 or
0:35:27 murder
0:35:28 and he was discussing the issue and he
0:35:30 was in two minds about it
0:35:32 but by the way lesbianism is different
0:35:34 to uh
0:35:36 because lesbianism there's no
0:35:37 penetration going on
0:35:39 now obviously this is a major symptom as
0:35:40 well i don't really want to
0:35:42 yeah but it doesn't fulfill to say it's
0:35:45 actually much less there's no there's no
0:35:48 uh
0:35:49 there's no punishment for it
0:35:50 prescribed
0:35:52 now obviously the the
0:35:53 welly can put something in place or
0:35:55 something
0:35:56 but there's anyway the point of the
0:35:58 matter is these are all major sins
0:36:01 yeah
0:36:02 yeah lesbianism is a major sin no doubt
0:36:08 which one he's mentioning
0:36:10 the first one he said
0:36:23 [Music]
0:36:29 yeah yeah
0:36:30 but these other examples are
0:36:32 right
0:36:33 and the quran says
0:36:43 those who have you know transgressed
0:36:45 against themselves do not
0:36:48 despair from the mercy of god because
0:36:50 allah he
0:36:51 cleans up all of your or he
0:36:53 he forgives all of the sins all of your
0:36:55 sins
0:36:57 so this is the islamic attitude and so
0:36:59 the movement is why it was it was
0:37:01 intellectually weak because it was was
0:37:03 facing a mountain of evidences islamic
0:37:06 evidence quran sunnah
0:37:21 you know if there's two groups of
0:37:23 muslims that are fighting each other
0:37:25 then try and make peace between them but
0:37:26 they're fighting each other
0:37:28 and they're both doing wrong
0:37:31 now you have one of them who is doing
0:37:42 to fight the ones who are transgression
0:37:44 so
0:37:45 even murder is something we don't
0:37:46 believe so muslims don't believe that
0:37:48 committing major sins takes you out of
0:37:50 islam this is the kharaj view
0:37:53 which
0:37:57 is uh is a rogue view
0:38:00 and do you know any any group that tell
0:38:02 tells you
0:38:04 that fights off man
0:38:06 and fights ali
0:38:08 and fights
0:38:10 up this is a deviant group like
0:38:12 and the prophet muhammad says
0:38:17 that the best group is uh or the best
0:38:18 generations my generation then the ones
0:38:20 who come after them and then the ones
0:38:21 who come after them in it the quran says
0:38:30 and interestingly this was the verse
0:38:31 that uthman fan was reading before he
0:38:33 died and some scholars say that the
0:38:35 splasher of blood
0:38:37 came on to that face
0:38:38 which means allah is sufficient over
0:38:41 sufficient
0:38:43 for you over them
0:38:45 which means if they believe in what you
0:38:48 guys believe in and it's
0:38:57 not
0:38:58 because it was amanda would be what you
0:38:59 believe in muhammad but it's not a manta
0:39:01 it's
0:39:02 meaning the primary audience is the
0:39:04 sahaba the companion is the prophet
0:39:08 you know and allah subhanahu wa ta'ala
0:39:09 and by the way this shows you the
0:39:10 proximity of hawai'ism and shiism
0:39:12 because both groups shiites them and
0:39:15 we'll talk about them in more detail
0:39:16 shiism and khawarijism have something in
0:39:18 common which is what
0:39:20 fear of whom the sahaba
0:39:22 so takfir is a sorry the shiaism
0:39:25 and she has in hilarious
0:39:28 are two sides of the same coin when it
0:39:30 comes to fear because they're both
0:39:31 making fear of the same people
0:39:35 and allah says
0:39:54 the early ones from the muhajiroun and
0:39:57 the ansar
0:39:58 the two groups of sahaba
0:40:00 the
0:40:01 immigrants and the ansar the ones who
0:40:03 helped us
0:40:06 the ones who followed them with goodness
0:40:11 pleased with them and they are pleased
0:40:11 with him allah has given them the golden
0:40:13 stamp of approval or more than one place
0:40:15 in the quran
0:40:17 and so
0:40:19 to to attack the group of people that
0:40:22 allah and the messenger very clearly
0:40:24 he says
0:40:25 the prophet muhammad said uh
0:40:28 yeah you know he said in the hadith
0:40:32 you know
0:40:37 that upon you is my sunnah my way
0:40:40 and the sunnah of the
0:40:42 the rightly guided caliphs
0:40:44 and bite on it with your molar teeth who
0:40:46 are the rightly guided callus the other
0:40:48 hadith states
0:40:50 it's going to be 30 years in muslim
0:40:54 30 years of rightly guided caliphs
0:40:56 and we know that
0:40:58 if you add up all the four it's 30 years
0:41:01 and so
0:41:04 for them to go against who the prophet
0:41:05 told us to be with and to kill them
0:41:08 this is the ultimate indication that
0:41:10 they're unfalsehood
0:41:11 okay
0:41:16 but they are a cancer of the ummah
0:41:19 because in a sense they whenever you
0:41:20 have the
0:41:22 those who follow their way you have
0:41:24 killing
0:41:25 indiscriminate killing of men women and
0:41:27 children of muslims and non-muslims
0:41:36 a lot of them believed the same thing as
0:41:38 the murja in terms of iman
0:41:46 i'm sorry the khawali
0:41:49 yeah so they were actually interesting
0:41:50 because they had this thing
0:41:52 uh
0:41:53 called benil menzel attain you know
0:41:56 they were actually when it comes to
0:41:57 major sins they believe that if you
0:41:58 commit major sins you're this believer
0:42:01 is which is interesting because they
0:42:02 were not but the the thing that the
0:42:04 martesi law were not
0:42:06 like
0:42:07 the the hawaiian sense they didn't take
0:42:09 this to
0:42:11 fighting
0:42:12 they didn't try and make this argument
0:42:13 for political conclusions they just made
0:42:15 this theological argument
0:42:19 and we talked about the moderate already
0:42:20 now i think we need to look at some of
0:42:22 the extreme groups now in history
0:42:25 to kind of see where this ideas are
0:42:27 being spread so al-wahidon
0:42:29 we say that spain was a time where there
0:42:31 was convavencia and you know
0:42:34 mutual peace in there between muslims
0:42:37 christians and jews and for the most
0:42:39 part that was true even under islam but
0:42:40 there were some very notable exceptions
0:42:42 to that and whenever there were notable
0:42:45 exceptions to that
0:42:47 that was because of this idea or these
0:42:49 ideas of hawaiianism or kharism
0:42:52 coming into
0:42:53 the psyche of those muslims at that time
0:42:56 even though by the way the groups were
0:42:58 not strictly ascribed to that group but
0:43:00 it's the same mentality in the same
0:43:01 arguments
0:43:03 so you had the group
0:43:05 called the muahidon which literally
0:43:06 means the you know the the ones who are
0:43:09 monotheists they're monotheists
0:43:13 and uh we're talking here
0:43:17 they ruled over almagravid andalus for
0:43:19 about 150 years
0:43:21 and these guys were brutal
0:43:23 they were they were you know completely
0:43:26 intolerant
0:43:27 intolerant forget about not forget about
0:43:29 non-muslims i mean a lot of historians
0:43:31 western historians they bring these as
0:43:33 examples of intolerance towards
0:43:35 non-muslims these are great examples
0:43:37 of intolerance towards muslims
0:43:39 they were shunned groups
0:43:41 they were
0:43:42 aberrational groups they were not
0:43:44 accepted what they were saying was
0:43:46 was reminiscent of the early days of
0:43:48 extremists
0:43:52 and the same thing with the murabatun
0:43:55 but you can locate these groups in
0:43:57 islamic history it's not like these
0:43:59 groups are the
0:44:00 because you have to appreciate something
0:44:02 the bernard lewis
0:44:05 samuel huntington
0:44:07 narrative or
0:44:09 if you like the right wing narratives or
0:44:10 the alt-right narratives
0:44:12 is that this is the usual this is the
0:44:14 default position of muslims that we are
0:44:17 intolerant in default and tolerant as an
0:44:20 exception so they'll say like you have
0:44:23 akbar this guy in
0:44:25 india he was a very tolerant leader but
0:44:28 you know before and after him were these
0:44:29 intolerant ones you have uh
0:44:32 you know the westernized
0:44:35 you have the westernized nationalist
0:44:37 turks in the ottoman empire but before
0:44:39 and after him this was it was
0:44:41 intolerance in in spain you had
0:44:44 some some uh people who are very
0:44:47 tolerant but you look at the hadoop this
0:44:49 was the
0:44:50 this was the default position now these
0:44:52 these are the aberration these have
0:44:54 always been the aberration because their
0:44:56 arguments are not the theological
0:44:58 normal arguments that the majority
0:45:00 demographic ever believed in and these
0:45:02 were the arguments which we've just
0:45:03 shown
0:45:05 are easily refutable
0:45:08 what's interesting about the and
0:45:11 the ashari so once again within islam
0:45:13 sometimes you see
0:45:14 and i'm really sorry to say this but you
0:45:16 find this within especially sufi circles
0:45:18 the idea that oh you know all of the
0:45:20 extremism it's almost as if they've
0:45:22 adopted
0:45:24 somewhat
0:45:25 of a right-wing narrative themselves
0:45:26 because they want to escape god it's all
0:45:28 about scapegoating isn't it
0:45:29 so okay
0:45:31 we accept that there's extremism but
0:45:32 it's all about wahhabis
0:45:34 but before what happens
0:45:37 you can't
0:45:38 you can't say anything about wahhab
0:45:40 because this was before
0:45:42 and this was before the existence of any
0:45:45 saudi state you had
0:45:48 people who are extremists in their
0:45:49 tendencies extremists in their behavior
0:45:51 intolerant in their behaviors you can't
0:45:53 scapegoat all your problems
0:45:56 on muhammad what happened
0:45:59 and his uh followers no doubt his
0:46:01 followers committed some egregious
0:46:03 problems i'm not saying anything but
0:46:05 we're saying
0:46:06 this is a convenient scapegoat
0:46:09 because why because there's a i'll be
0:46:10 honest with you there's an intra
0:46:12 polemical dispute with between creedal
0:46:14 schools
0:46:16 ash ali versus athari versus hambaliva's
0:46:18 maturity and they use this as some kind
0:46:21 of
0:46:22 leverage as some kind of ideological um
0:46:24 his b leverage
0:46:26 all of the problems is because of the
0:46:28 salafis or it's because of the hobbies
0:46:30 no it's not true because you had
0:46:31 ashari's who were very very harsh as
0:46:34 well and the muahadun are examples like
0:46:36 killing people yes all of the same stuff
0:46:38 that you're seeing
0:46:40 so we have to be fair there have been
0:46:42 people from all groups sufis
0:46:44 and we're going to talk about them a bit
0:46:46 a bit today brelvis you think bralvi's
0:46:49 in and we were talking before about
0:46:51 pakistan and how sombrelvia's they
0:46:52 commit some major egregious problems and
0:46:55 make take fear on mass i went to hajjin
0:46:57 they were saying we're not going to pray
0:46:58 behind the imam he's a catholic it's a
0:47:00 habit
0:47:02 and tell me if this is not take fear
0:47:04 braves have become selfish all of a
0:47:05 sudden no no they also make fear and
0:47:07 sometimes they try and shoot people and
0:47:09 kill people
0:47:10 and and fight people yes sometimes it
0:47:12 happens not all brevity of course not
0:47:13 not all selfies of course not not all
0:47:15 ushers of course not but that exists
0:47:17 because it's all you need to do is make
0:47:19 an argument
0:47:20 you start with that fear and then you
0:47:22 move on to this guy's a combatant
0:47:23 against islam and then you end up with
0:47:25 actual bloodshed
0:47:27 and what we're saying is that we need to
0:47:28 take control of these narratives
0:47:31 and we can't scapegoat it on one group
0:47:36 and they're actually accused
0:47:40 their proponents of committing
0:47:41 anthropomorphism
0:47:43 or their detractors or the ones who were
0:47:45 against them or the ones who were not
0:47:46 with them
0:47:47 which is in a sense a
0:47:49 stance
0:47:51 of people
0:47:52 that are against humblings or against
0:47:54 salafis whatever you guys are committing
0:47:56 anthropomorphism whatever it is and they
0:47:57 kill them why don't you yeah
0:48:01 now in in egypt you had this group
0:48:03 called
0:48:04 this is now where we're moving
0:48:06 into the modern time
0:48:08 and once again are we doing this because
0:48:10 there's no other examples
0:48:12 the examples are far fewer number of
0:48:14 groups like this
0:48:17 or some aspects of
0:48:19 and then we go to the modern time we
0:48:20 have techfural hijra we have isis we
0:48:22 have uh
0:48:23 al-qaeda these examples are far a few
0:48:25 numbers they've only proliferated in the
0:48:27 recent ages because of the
0:48:29 current trend
0:48:31 especially if you look very carefully
0:48:34 about the relationship that america's
0:48:36 had with israel that's been one of the
0:48:37 main reasons that al qaeda have
0:48:39 consistently used
0:48:40 as justification for fighting
0:48:42 consistently
0:48:45 so it's really is it's taking a new
0:48:47 light it's taking a new life now because
0:48:49 of these things but you had take fury
0:48:51 hijra it's not their name they didn't
0:48:52 this is a
0:48:54 name that egyptian community would call
0:48:56 them because we all knew
0:48:58 say we know as if i'm part of the
0:48:59 different community
0:49:01 what they were about
0:49:03 but this uh proliferated some people
0:49:05 take say trods works not that he i don't
0:49:07 think his initial intention was this
0:49:09 himself
0:49:11 but and they actually interpreted this
0:49:12 in a very techfiery light
0:49:14 and uh and did and did what they did
0:49:19 and of course we have isis
0:49:22 which is uh the contemporary example
0:49:25 and in many ways these are this is
0:49:26 probably one of the most in top three
0:49:28 most vicious and intolerant groups islam
0:49:31 has ever seen
0:49:33 i mean i will never forget myself i will
0:49:35 never forget some time ago maybe it was
0:49:37 about um
0:49:39 sorry it was about maybe two three years
0:49:42 ago four years i can't remember what i
0:49:43 want to be honest yeah five years ago
0:49:45 whenever it was yeah when they were
0:49:46 fighting
0:49:47 against
0:49:49 uh bashar al-assad and so on
0:49:51 and
0:49:52 this guy called a jolani
0:49:55 who was the leader of jabhat nusra
0:50:00 was another group which is connected to
0:50:02 al qaeda
0:50:03 okay so imagine and they they
0:50:05 their leaders aiming
0:50:08 the egyptian doctor
0:50:10 he was a leader
0:50:12 and
0:50:14 abu bakr
0:50:15 was the leader of isis
0:50:17 he wasn't on the scene at those times
0:50:20 and um jolani
0:50:23 he was being interviewed in al jazeera
0:50:24 you can find this interview like
0:50:27 i'll never forget this
0:50:28 he was asked
0:50:30 he said
0:50:31 they are
0:50:32 the isis what they're doing is they're
0:50:33 taking our women and children as slaves
0:50:37 and i thought this is unbelievable like
0:50:38 can you imagine you're
0:50:40 you are
0:50:42 like literally friends with you're
0:50:44 fighting with your eating with your
0:50:46 praying with you're playing with your
0:50:48 kids are playing with their kids
0:50:49 whatever it is you are one group
0:50:51 and all of us are you you are one group
0:50:54 this shows you the implosive nature of
0:50:56 techfeedism
0:50:57 that you end up fighting your own friend
0:51:00 your own takfiri friend that like he's
0:51:02 he's like you in your inclination but
0:51:04 you end up fighting him
0:51:06 he's your first in fact he's your first
0:51:08 target
0:51:10 he's your first target you're right next
0:51:12 to israel you're not far away from them
0:51:15 but
0:51:16 imagine what this does to you right
0:51:18 instead of thinking we need to go and
0:51:20 fight uh
0:51:21 i don't know the israeli occupiers or
0:51:23 these or the zionists
0:51:25 no we have to fight my friend that i was
0:51:27 eating with fish and chips or whatever
0:51:29 is he or the tahina and uh
0:51:32 kofta
0:51:33 show irma that you were eating with him
0:51:35 and take his wife instead of taking as a
0:51:37 wife or this and that he'll take her as
0:51:38 a slave imagine having his wife in your
0:51:40 house as a slave she was a guest
0:51:42 can you imagine this she was you might
0:51:44 have been a guest two weeks ago now
0:51:46 she's a slave
0:51:49 this is a lovable ideology
0:51:51 it is a lovable ideology
0:51:54 tell me if this is this mix and it says
0:51:56 that's why isis
0:51:59 it genuinely is i don't even think the
0:52:01 muahadun
0:52:02 potentially would have done something
0:52:03 like this this is crazy stuff man what
0:52:06 arguments must you be making in order to
0:52:08 convince us of this
0:52:10 who on earth would be convinced with
0:52:12 this how can you be convinced with this
0:52:15 how can you be convinced with this how
0:52:16 could anybody be convinced with this you
0:52:19 know these are muslim people praying
0:52:21 fasting everything do you really think
0:52:23 if eben tamiya was around he would
0:52:25 endorse this like
0:52:29 muhammad would have himself ok i don't
0:52:31 think he would endorse that let's be
0:52:32 honest i don't think he would to be fair
0:52:34 i i that's next level stuff
0:52:36 i don't i don't agree with the fact that
0:52:38 he would endorse
0:52:39 that you take your friend that you are
0:52:41 doing jihad with so called jad which has
0:52:43 now become infighting between you and
0:52:45 your friend
0:52:47 that he would endure such a thing
0:52:50 this is uh this is a mind
0:52:52 mind-boggling how people believe in this
0:52:57 but what are the arguments remember they
0:52:59 have to move from
0:53:00 and i i'll never forget i think the
0:53:02 brother he mentioned something to me a
0:53:03 long time ago
0:53:05 i uh
0:53:06 i remembered it yeah
0:53:08 he he mentioned something to me long
0:53:10 time ago
0:53:11 and i was actually subhanallah i was
0:53:13 actually reading this hadith today
0:53:15 i was actually reading it somehow i was
0:53:16 reading bukhari today
0:53:18 and i was reading this hadith today and
0:53:20 i'm sure many of you know this hadith
0:53:22 yeah the hadith of the woman
0:53:25 who tortured the cat and then she ended
0:53:26 up in hell fire you know this hadith
0:53:28 there's a woman
0:53:29 who tortured a cat and the prophet said
0:53:32 i saw a woman
0:53:34 in the hellfire because she tortured a
0:53:35 cat like how did she torture it the cat
0:53:37 was hungry and whatever and she just
0:53:39 left her and to dye it slow and painful
0:53:41 and tormenting death it's an animal
0:53:47 and they and they left her to die now
0:53:48 think about this
0:53:52 if you ask one of those techfeeds just
0:53:53 like if you would have asked
0:53:55 i think some reports of them say when
0:53:56 they're walking in the grass they're
0:53:57 afraid to kill the ants or something
0:53:59 yeah
0:54:00 or the grasshoppers or
0:54:02 you ask the kefiri
0:54:04 you ask isis supporter what is the hukum
0:54:08 of killing a cat or torturing a cat
0:54:11 what do you think this is going to say
0:54:12 look haram man look he's torturing a cat
0:54:14 stuff
0:54:15 the prophet said there
0:54:16 it's okay you can't torture a torture
0:54:18 cat no you can't you can't kill a cat
0:54:20 but you can torture a human being and
0:54:22 kill a human being now in what world
0:54:24 does that make sense
0:54:26 not this guy abu qatada
0:54:29 the guy with a huge bed
0:54:31 have you seen him
0:54:33 now in the beginning i thought you know
0:54:34 i'll be honest i had no idea who this
0:54:35 guy was
0:54:36 have you seen what i'm talking about
0:54:37 yeah he wants to deploy him to jordan
0:54:41 yeah i thought i'll be honest with you
0:54:42 when i first saw him his picture i
0:54:44 thought look at this so i i didn't know
0:54:46 anything about anything i said look at
0:54:47 this guys they're humiliating the
0:54:48 muslims man he probably didn't do
0:54:50 anything wrong he probably he probably
0:54:53 was just uh
0:54:54 innocent bystander
0:54:57 and then lo and behold i realized the
0:54:59 guy was
0:55:00 making fatwa saying you can burn the
0:55:02 kids in algeria and the
0:55:04 women and children in algeria
0:55:06 oh this is and he's getting refuted and
0:55:09 ah
0:55:10 so guys craig is fanatic
0:55:13 maybe he has changed his ways i don't
0:55:14 know but he's being rebuilt about this
0:55:16 fatal existed this is things that they
0:55:18 are actually saying
0:55:19 they are actually saying this they're
0:55:20 making fatwas that you can take a child
0:55:23 and kill a child and kill her we've seen
0:55:25 this fatwas
0:55:27 i've seen one time i will never forget
0:55:29 this
0:55:30 when we were younger we used to watch
0:55:33 and his his stuff was really good
0:55:36 uh in terms of his you know the way he
0:55:38 spoke and stuff i also came on youtube
0:55:40 on my feed
0:55:41 with with
0:55:43 with a gun
0:55:45 and by the way you will never see this
0:55:46 video on youtube
0:55:48 this video has been removed
0:55:51 this video has been removed yeah and
0:55:53 he's he's saying like you know
0:55:55 he's talking to the people like i'm
0:55:56 thinking what is this and he was saying
0:55:58 something to the effect of you'll never
0:55:59 be safe in your airports again and
0:56:02 i was thinking what the hell just
0:56:03 happened here man
0:56:04 oh is it the case now psychologically
0:56:06 that they put him in prison and he was
0:56:08 saying maybe
0:56:09 is it the case because he was part of
0:56:10 the awlakia tribe which was connected to
0:56:13 al-qaeda that's possible as well by the
0:56:14 way because he's from yemen don't forget
0:56:16 and he's part of a tribe which
0:56:18 a lot of them are connected to al-qaeda
0:56:21 is it the case that he actually agreed
0:56:22 with these arguments all of these are
0:56:24 possible factors and truths that could
0:56:26 be the case but the point is
0:56:28 this ideology
0:56:30 is unsustainable and impractical and
0:56:32 impossible and anti-islam
0:56:36 no matter who
0:56:37 we think is sincere
0:56:39 and promulgated it
0:56:41 because it involves killing of women
0:56:44 children young people
0:56:46 muslims and muslims etc
0:56:50 and
0:56:51 with that we conclude we're going to
0:56:53 have a discussion now in the class
0:56:55 talking about these issues in more
0:56:56 detail but in summary therefore
0:56:59 we should realize
0:57:01 that
0:57:02 this kind of take fear
0:57:04 and i'll actually read this i'll make
0:57:05 this a summary
0:57:07 talking about something i'll read
0:57:09 something in tamiya he himself
0:57:11 mentioned
0:57:17 even telling me i said the following
0:57:21 he said in the takfir
0:57:54 and then he gives some what are some of
0:57:56 the reasons what are the
0:57:58 he said that even samia
0:58:00 he said that take fear or ex community
0:58:03 excommunicating someone
0:58:05 has shrunk or conditions and he also has
0:58:07 moana preventers
0:58:09 in in respect to the specific person
0:58:11 being excommunicated and that
0:58:13 excommunication or or the abstract and
0:58:16 absolute excommunication
0:58:19 does not mean
0:58:22 that we can now put this ruling which is
0:58:24 abstract on a very specific case
0:58:29 unless the conditions of the ahmed went
0:58:31 for moana and there's no preventive
0:58:32 there you bay you know
0:58:44 of people who actually
0:58:46 fell into things which are covered so we
0:58:49 have to establish a difference between
0:58:52 someone committing kuffar
0:58:53 and someone becoming of cather
0:58:56 sometimes you can commit kuffar and not
0:58:58 become a kafir why
0:58:59 because there's a lot of jail which is
0:59:01 the excuse of ignorance and the jail can
0:59:04 be compounded and it can be morakab it
0:59:07 can be obasit it can be basic
0:59:10 and it could be khatta someone can be
0:59:12 making a mistake
0:59:13 or some mistake a step of the time or
0:59:15 mistake could be
0:59:20 and his heart is filled with iman
0:59:22 someone's being forced like they've been
0:59:23 forced to worship bashar al-assad and uh
0:59:26 do prostration to him
0:59:28 at that wheel or the idea of um
0:59:31 interpreting
0:59:33 something in a certain way
0:59:34 and by the way tawil with this issue if
0:59:37 you think about it
0:59:40 if he thinks he's right and he's wrong
0:59:41 this is actually
0:59:43 and what kind of jail is it
0:59:46 actually it's more severe type of
0:59:49 if you think about it it's more severe
0:59:50 type of than the basic because the
0:59:52 island who has come to a conclusion that
0:59:54 he's right
0:59:55 and he's wrong this
0:59:57 is
0:59:57 even more ignorant than the basic army
1:00:00 who doesn't know the answer in the first
1:00:01 place
1:00:03 he might be following someone who he
1:00:04 thinks is uh representing islam
1:00:07 on an issue
1:00:10 and if you want to hear if there's also
1:00:12 a hole here of um
1:00:15 to be a major andalusian scholar himself
1:00:26 so
1:00:30 this is a very dangerous
1:00:32 issue
1:00:33 a lot of people tried to deal with it
1:00:35 and they they failed
1:00:37 and there are other acquire like it
1:00:40 like uh or many many um
1:00:46 actually there's one more thing i forgot
1:00:47 to mention which i i will mention before
1:00:48 we end it's a good thing yeah it was
1:00:50 hospital in every altar yeah
1:00:54 i want i want to deal with one
1:00:55 particular actual argument
1:00:57 that isis put forward
1:01:00 and i saw this just recently in the
1:01:02 speaker's corner video and that's a very
1:01:04 weird thing to mention here
1:01:08 one of the brothers in the park
1:01:09 madhalaite
1:01:11 being refuted by
1:01:12 attack fury right
1:01:15 and the sakurai may take fear of him or
1:01:17 you know no surprises there right
1:01:19 have you seen this video
1:01:21 he said he said you're careful he said
1:01:22 why because he said um
1:01:24 you're just believing i said why is it
1:01:26 because uh you
1:01:27 he gave some reasons for it which were
1:01:28 which were pathetic
1:01:30 and ridiculous
1:01:32 but
1:01:35 an argument that is usually made by them
1:01:36 is they say that if
1:01:40 if you work with and this is how isis
1:01:42 make their argument
1:01:44 and al qaeda makes argument as well
1:01:46 but al-qaeda are less
1:01:50 severe
1:01:56 isis are just on steroids when this
1:01:57 stuff
1:01:59 you know they
1:02:00 literally they'll just keep chaining
1:02:02 take fear like anyone was implicated
1:02:04 he's involved in that as well
1:02:08 and
1:02:09 they will say the issue of atta
1:02:12 or the idea
1:02:13 of being a jesus or the or spy
1:02:26 that takes
1:02:27 the the person outside of the fold of
1:02:29 islam
1:02:31 okay
1:02:32 no problem why because you're a
1:02:33 conspiring with the enemy woman
1:02:37 yeah
1:02:38 whoever and they'll bring the ayat
1:02:41 of tawelli in the quran like if you ally
1:02:44 then you'll become like
1:02:45 but
1:02:47 who is a sahabi
1:02:50 he actually i'm not sure if you know the
1:02:51 story is
1:02:54 the story of hatred
1:02:56 is that he
1:02:57 the prophet saw was going to conquer
1:02:59 mecca
1:03:01 and he only told a few people and he
1:03:03 said don't tell anyone
1:03:04 the heart of being one of the friends of
1:03:06 the prophet went and told his family
1:03:07 about it
1:03:10 he was a spy on the for the quran in a
1:03:12 sense
1:03:13 for the pagans uh polovius
1:03:16 for the polytheists he went and told you
1:03:18 know
1:03:20 now he did that
1:03:23 and they found out
1:03:24 so this is clearly spying right
1:03:27 now the prophet saws when he found out
1:03:30 he forgave him
1:03:33 and he mentioned the fact that he was
1:03:34 from uh he's the people of badr and that
1:03:36 allah has forgiven the people of badr
1:03:38 like he fought alongside the muslims at
1:03:40 that time
1:03:42 now
1:03:43 they say the reason taffir is when you
1:03:45 bring them this example because the
1:03:46 question we would ask is how can you
1:03:48 forgive him if
1:03:49 how can you forgive him on a matter like
1:03:51 this
1:03:52 why wasn't he killed why was if he was a
1:03:54 if he was a traitor
1:03:55 how could you forgive him on a matter
1:03:56 like this
1:03:59 and they'll say because the reason being
1:04:01 is because it was hasun bihi it was
1:04:03 specified to him because he was from the
1:04:05 fighters of better
1:04:08 but this but allah
1:04:13 he says about the prophet if you commit
1:04:15 shirk he will completely cut off your
1:04:17 deeds
1:04:18 so kufrin iman is not person specific he
1:04:21 can never be person specific whoever
1:04:23 commits sure can cover who policies and
1:04:25 this belief even if it's the prophet
1:04:28 then that person
1:04:30 will be treated as a disbeliever
1:04:33 so because it's our kedah issue
1:04:35 it cannot be
1:04:37 because that's an issue of
1:04:39 it has to be generic right so the point
1:04:41 is if they say
1:04:45 if they use this
1:04:46 demented
1:04:48 logic which they used in order to
1:04:52 to create to create an argument for
1:04:55 suicide bombing and then bombing in the
1:04:57 houses and i don't know whether all the
1:04:58 places are
1:04:59 places or concerts or whatever it is
1:05:02 they say
1:05:04 even the muslims they're there to blame
1:05:06 or they'll do in muslim countries how
1:05:08 many shabbat how many times they do in
1:05:09 somalia how many so many times isn't it
1:05:12 what's their logic these guys are you
1:05:15 know traitors and all this kind of thing
1:05:18 so
1:05:18 they they need to realize
1:05:22 that if it was the case
1:05:24 that
1:05:25 it was treachery and it was a
1:05:27 then how can you explain how to
1:05:29 everybody's case
1:05:31 he says
1:05:34 he himself
1:05:36 committed cover
1:05:38 he he they would wouldn't say that
1:05:40 because he can't commit cover he'd uh
1:05:41 and not be dealt with
1:05:44 in the dunya
1:05:45 so it must be the case
1:05:49 it's is it's not actually
1:05:53 it must be the case it's some kind of
1:05:56 or it's um
1:05:58 it's not kufri that will take you out of
1:05:59 islam
1:06:01 and so their arguments even when we look
1:06:04 at the seal of the prophet and the
1:06:05 sahaba and the dealings with the prophet
1:06:08 with the companions they fall on their
1:06:10 face all of their arguments from their
1:06:11 face
1:06:13 which is why the all the majority of
1:06:15 muslim institutions and centers of
1:06:17 islamic power
1:06:18 not no one's convinced with these
1:06:20 these pathetic arguments
1:06:22 and when they when when some people from
1:06:24 the normal community ask
1:06:26 who who condemns this the question
1:06:28 really is who doesn't
1:06:29 condemn this and with that we will
1:06:31 conclude with salaam alaikum
1:06:32 warahmatullahi wabarakatuh