OXFORD UNI. ATHEISTS VS "BROTHER MOHAMAD" ( Q'S on Incest, bestiality and rape) (2015-09-09)

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Brother Mohamad debates with two Oxford educated Atheists about morals.

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The two participants in this YouTube video debate morality and how it applies to cases of bestiality and incest. The theist argues that morality is subjective and can be rationalized, while the atheist argues that morality is objective and cannot be rationalized. In the end, the atheist proves to be more convincing, and the theist concedes the point.

00:00:00 The two participants in this YouTube video debate morality and how it applies to cases of bestiality and incest. The theist argues that morality is subjective and can be rationalized, while the atheist argues that morality is objective and cannot be rationalized. In the end, the atheist proves to be more convincing, and the theist concedes the point.

00:05:00 Discusses how humans create their own models of morality, and how this allows for things such as condemning others. He goes on to say that this mind-set can prevent someone from being able to say that there is an objective morality.
00:10:00 Atheists argue that there is no basis for morals in religion, and that any adherence to them is purely opinion.

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0:00:07 absolute loyalty cannot set to exist 0:00:11 unless one believes in an all-knowing 0:00:13 entity that dictates such truth that is 0:00:18 because there is no social equivalent to 0:00:20 sale the scientific method so you can't 0:00:23 for example put morals under the 0:00:25 microscope 0:00:26 while ahora the suspect the two also 0:00:29 educated in hated Michael who is 0:00:33 studying Arabic and Islamic studies at 0:00:37 Oxford University is going to Jordan 0:00:39 today or tomorrow it's after Saturday 0:00:42 and so he's going to immerse himself in 0:00:44 an arabic-speaking country he's an 0:00:46 atheist I'm a theist I believe in God he 0:00:48 doesn't believe in God in this 0:00:49 discussion we're gonna try and see which 0:00:51 one makes more sense we're trying fish 0:00:53 out of these arguments and so the first 0:00:55 thing I will ask you if you say yeah 0:01:01 ultimate truth actually as I say no it's 0:01:06 not I can't say that not true and I like 0:01:10 how you set me up there but again I hope 0:01:14 I prove to you the view but generally 0:01:17 I've come up with is my freedom to say 0:01:18 broadly across the spectrum you consent 0:01:20 is implementable really important I'm 0:01:24 just because what you're saying is a bit 0:01:26 of attempt intended to play and I want 0:01:27 to come back to the core so you're 0:01:30 saying that because I listened to you 0:01:32 carefully I don't want to lose this 0:01:33 point you said that something is 0:01:34 rationalizing oh you can rationalize it 0:01:36 and it's prescriptive and then you can 0:01:39 move forward with that as a subjective 0:01:40 rerunning you said back as a strong 0:01:43 subjective perception as a strong 0:01:44 subjective you've just described 0:01:46 narcissism 0:01:49 scribed not season it is rationalize 0:01:53 abou in the mind of Marcy's and is 0:01:55 prescriptive against the Jews so is it 0:01:58 okay for Hitler to do what he did 0:02:00 well that's what we have competing ideas 0:02:03 about morality but it's okay I would say 0:02:10 no but why not well because I have a 0:02:13 different I believe I have more 0:02:14 convincing idea when Rama to come so 0:02:17 subjective morality versus subjective 0:02:18 mind but both of them are crushing the 0:02:20 lies that were both from prescriptive I 0:02:21 would say none of it - one is 0:02:23 International high school 0:02:24 why not because they despise the minds 0:02:26 they well regard that they want keeping 0:02:29 in regard people's autonomy and so I 0:02:31 have to keep it does that have certain 0:02:32 so that ask me that's my own but no but 0:02:34 you've said that you have to keep you 0:02:35 just put something in there you 0:02:36 superimpose that liberal principle is 0:02:38 that has to keep himself into 0:02:40 considerations people people autonomy 0:02:42 and yeah yeah this is the harm principle 0:02:43 Jase mill right and on liberty has wrote 0:02:46 a book and he said you know so long as 0:02:47 you're not harming anyone else do what 0:02:49 you wanna do I mean in a nutshell really 0:02:51 this this for the camera but middle 0:02:54 isn't of the same sort of in this 0:02:56 particular I mean you've caught the hum 0:02:58 principle so what I'm saying to you know 0:02:59 they're completely different I mean if 0:03:01 I'm saying this is completely against 0:03:03 Kansas idea 0:03:06 okay actually it's not completely 0:03:09 against it but that's another because 0:03:10 you know so if you were to say for 0:03:12 example the greatest benefit in a gang 0:03:16 rape from by the gang rapers overwhelms 0:03:19 out the person victim personal economy 0:03:23 which is a liberal principle it's a 0:03:25 liberal principle you get that one okay 0:03:27 so how can you put your subjective 0:03:29 liberal principle onto in there as if a 0:03:31 subjective reality I'm not saying as 0:03:34 injected I'm just saying it's some 0:03:35 compelling to the point I can say the 0:03:39 same thing about it's like but a 0:03:42 dissolute and you convince people with 0:03:44 that no but I can say the same thing 0:03:45 about Judaism and Hinduism an indica set 0:03:47 when the point is it's all subject and 0:03:49 we can you see how life become so hard 0:03:51 yeah to it can you see how it is this is 0:03:53 why one of his colleagues also 0:03:54 University Michael is more to do with 0:03:57 social sciences of his buddies for 0:03:59 Islamic studies and studying physics at 0:04:05 Oxford so it's a bit more the twist the 0:04:07 scientific edge to it 0:04:09 he's also an atheist we're gonna go 0:04:11 through some of the arguments for and 0:04:13 against a deity so would you say is a 0:04:16 post modernist think it's back yeah this 0:04:17 bestiality and man haven't sessions for 0:04:19 some new land horse or donkey 0:04:23 okay did you say that it's wrong 0:04:25 ultimately by altering the action you're 0:04:29 asking me objectively yeah objectively 0:04:31 no that's the reasoning for that is that 0:04:36 it's not for me when you take me 0:04:40 objective you mean effectively 0:04:41 definitely done it's externally verses 0:04:44 written in the code of the perspective 0:04:46 saying about well I'm saying it's not 0:04:49 it's unchangeable something else is 0:04:50 definitely a true statement 0:04:52 it's a next one it's and it would still 0:04:54 be a true saying even if there was no 0:04:55 community yeah but it's a true statement 0:05:01 I say it's a true statement to say that 0:05:02 this report about animal is the wrong 0:05:06 thickness would you say buzzer Oh degree 0:05:07 that is a wrong thing but not the same 0:05:10 reasoning and grinding gee well you 0:05:12 can't hire a Zappos problem mate here's 0:05:14 the hitting just because I'm opposed to 0:05:16 - in the sense that I do not believe 0:05:19 there's an absolute truth no absolute 0:05:22 truth about - Jack well I mean it's like 0:05:25 it just because I can't I can call I can 0:05:28 so allow a lot of things because the 0:05:29 reason is so they're pinyin and fluffy 0:05:30 no no it doesn't mean nothing 0:05:32 what does it mean it just means that I 0:05:34 can't say it's hundred percent tricky 0:05:36 and more likely when you're saying carbs 0:05:37 that let me just see if I were right so 0:05:38 you're saying in common sense this one 0:05:40 because your post oneness but you can 0:05:42 say all the balance probably my opinion 0:05:43 this one no well it's been more than 0:05:48 that so as a place more than 70 I had 0:05:51 the idea that the one thing that to fill 0:05:55 this world obviously I can't necessarily 0:05:57 guarantee I'm even in okay that's a very 0:06:00 horrible thing for me if you're denying 0:06:04 that then it's a huge amount make 0:06:07 you should ask at being an entity is 0:06:10 all-knowing then you can't have ultimate 0:06:13 truths it's as simple as that and going 0:06:15 back to this moral question about you 0:06:19 know I got into Sanjay yeah no question 0:06:22 I have you answer responder there how I 0:06:24 can just habit slice it how precise it I 0:06:26 said I said she did I say to hit that 0:06:28 did what he did it was in his moral 0:06:30 intro or his belief yeah dictator sir to 0:06:33 the people that you know he you know he 0:06:36 wanted to kill the Jews he wanted to 0:06:37 make himself he wanted to be completely 0:06:40 you know the Aryan race in the face 0:06:42 dominant in Germany etc etc and he 0:06:45 wanted to do to be exterminated 0:06:54 okay so you do that not probably to what 0:06:58 you probably want you to say hundreds in 0:07:00 and I'm gonna give you and for the 0:07:03 future I do think it is one can find 0:07:04 that I don't mean I can say objectively 0:07:06 but so high as in like to unimaginable 0:07:10 higher than the point you need that's 0:07:12 Mickey okay I probably let me let me 0:07:15 explain let me speak to this because 0:07:17 that was that was it perfectly I mean 0:07:20 I'm just 0:07:20 for me it's so openly one because the 0:07:23 need reason my basis working to for them 0:07:25 so yeah the first thing is that you have 0:07:28 to observe the universe around you I 0:07:31 need to go through this or else you 0:07:33 won't make sense 0:07:34 occasionally I'm sorry I'll try and get 0:07:36 through as possible so that everything 0:07:39 comes from senses and for me everything 0:07:42 come from our set up so Dean like I 0:07:44 experience everything comes from it 0:07:46 everything introduced in which I'm 0:07:47 experience with my senses 0:07:49 so he was someone with that without all 0:07:50 five senses and they've got a brain so 0:07:55 experience experiences only don't exist 0:07:58 it's not they do exist our way we gain 0:08:00 experiences and you can get experience 0:08:03 without senses if someone doesn't have 0:08:06 all five senses even beat them have the 0:08:08 ability smells yeah yeah you can still 0:08:11 you can still much they can think that 0:08:13 they don't know anything about their 0:08:14 windows so everything comes from our 0:08:25 experience and when I think about that I 0:08:28 mean everything including me I can't as 0:08:33 a result not leaving any objective 0:08:35 morality yeah 0:08:36 I cannot condemn anything for someone 0:08:38 does one there okay what I mean by that 0:08:41 you could probably think of something 0:08:42 you condemn me that is very if there's 0:08:45 no there's nothing like nothing if the 0:08:47 brain one person in the university 0:08:49 there's only one person you hang on I'll 0:08:51 explain how I can't go there's only one 0:08:53 person who knew this for me 0:08:55 that person cannot do anything and that 0:08:58 has great ties to Liberty libertarian 0:09:01 views comedy I did but the material 0:09:03 views is subjective they up and that's 0:09:05 likely to prescribe to seduce is that's 0:09:07 no point of me not believing inject yes 0:09:09 you're imposing down I mean you're 0:09:11 saying this is this is what Michael look 0:09:13 by the way it's just this is so it's 0:09:14 very interesting because it's just it 0:09:16 shows you the mind of to be honest with 0:09:18 you socially constructed 21st century 0:09:20 men whenever we talk to them about 0:09:22 morals they always refer back to the 0:09:24 Enlightenment all right 0:09:25 Liberty a little television but what I'm 0:09:27 talking about that we're talking about a 0:09:28 world where models are completely 0:09:30 subjective where human beings can make 0:09:32 their own models and their own purpose 0:09:34 and I can say even as you know as 0:09:37 Richard Dawkins himself said so my 0:09:50 question is having this kind of mind 0:09:53 friend will stop you from being able to 0:09:55 say that and you haven't said it yet but 0:09:56 this is what we do 0:09:59 you couldn't even say for example about 0:10:01 you know killing a child or raping a 0:10:03 child the babies 0:10:04 kind of the same you know could you say 0:10:06 that five hundred percent yeah no no no 0:10:11 no it's close to a hundred senators 0:10:13 assuming of course or there with Ryan 0:10:16 and Michael 0:10:17 whenever I sort of put them in a 0:10:18 scenario they referred to Enlightenment 0:10:21 ideas like liberalism 0:10:23 in himself autonomy etc the problem was 0:10:27 that is that liberalism like any of the 0:10:29 human ideologies is actually unprovable 0:10:31 objectively from an atheistic 0:10:34 perspective which macrosse1 expected a 0:10:36 bearing that in mind an atheist can't 0:10:39 actually disprove any model 0:10:42 to be objectively incorrect I want 80s 0:10:46 to really pay attention to that point 0:10:48 especially as it relates for example to 0:10:50 criticizing religious people Muslims 0:10:53 were tough it was the moon to put our 0:10:54 head start or was a man but growing a 0:10:56 bit they have no basis really to say 0:10:59 that this is utterly wrong or absolutely 0:11:01 wrong it would have no basis to do that 0:11:04 in fact look I challenge any 0:11:07 faithfulness to pick up on any of the 0:11:10 morals of Islam or any of the other 0:11:12 religions in fact and say that this is 0:11:15 absolutely wrong you can't disprove 0:11:18 religion like that no matter how much 0:11:20 you say this is bad because it's morally 0:11:23 unacceptable that's only gonna be your 0:11:25 opinion now having said that we are very 0:11:29 moral creatures and I want you to really 0:11:31 think about it psychologically and 0:11:32 physiologically we're moral creatures 0:11:35 emotionally we're moral where did those 0:11:37 morals come from how comes 0:11:40 such Moors are so deeply rooted within 0:11:43 us

OXFORD UNI. ATHEISTS VS "BROTHER MOHAMAD" ( Q'S on Incest, bestiality and rape) (2015-09-09) ​

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OXFORD UNI. ATHEISTS VS "BROTHER MOHAMAD" ( Q'S on Incest, bestiality and rape) (2015-09-09)

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