Why Atheism is Becoming Popular in the West? LSE University of London (2018-02-28) ​

0:00:00 listen to whatever they have to say and
0:00:01 we have to answer their questions is it
0:00:04 because they're speaking the truth is
0:00:06 that because a theism actually carries
0:00:08 intellectual currency no it's simply
0:00:11 because the white man has been able to
0:00:14 take over the Americas and and had the
0:00:17 Industrial Revolution it's a very long
0:00:18 another big thing by the way from the 17
0:00:21 let's say 60s and in Britain onwards
0:00:23 they've been able to have seized these
0:00:24 opportunities where other nations have
0:00:26 not been able to do it
0:00:27 yeah and therefore they've concentrated
0:00:29 their economic and military power which
0:00:31 is expanded into yeah which is expanded
0:00:34 into also media power in the new age so
0:00:37 we've had to listen we've had to listen
0:00:40 really interesting because you know I'm
0:00:47 not gonna lie to you there's there's
0:00:49 some really interesting things yeah for
0:00:51 example the idea of homosexuality before
0:00:55 talk about one god and some of those
0:00:56 wrongs if I go straight into the deep
0:00:58 end right okay so with homosexuality is
0:01:01 really it was really interesting how I
0:01:03 was hearing a discussion of all times
0:01:05 anecdotal experience and it was a white
0:01:08 person complaining about the attitudes
0:01:11 of a black Christian they're complaining
0:01:14 about the attitudes of a black Christian
0:01:15 and the black Christian was not
0:01:18 necessarily in line they didn't believe
0:01:20 in same-sex marriage for instance yeah
0:01:22 and the white person was saying well why
0:01:24 don't they believe in this and this is
0:01:25 homophobia nor disease the reason why
0:01:29 the black person doesn't believe in
0:01:30 same-sex marriage is simply because your
0:01:34 great granddad colonized enslaved his
0:01:38 great granddad taught him the religion
0:01:40 of his day which was Christianity he
0:01:43 hasn't left it you have okay and
0:01:46 therefore he has a different opinion to
0:01:47 you on this matter so it was quite
0:01:50 ironic that the white men and this is
0:01:53 becoming it's not to say genetics I'm
0:01:55 peeing when I say the white man beware
0:01:57 that I'm talking about the archetypal
0:01:58 post-colonial white man I'm not talking
0:02:01 about the color of the skin I'm talking
0:02:03 about the idea post-colonial point man
0:02:05 the white man wants us to just change in
0:02:08 his image that's why a theism is on the
0:02:10 increase and that is why
0:02:12 we've had to answer questions about
0:02:14 atheism okay if we lived 100 years ago I
0:02:17 would not even begin talking about
0:02:19 atheism because it would be an
0:02:21 insignificant world reality yeah that's
0:02:24 just a that is just the environmental
0:02:26 reality yeah
0:02:28 if the Maratha Empire was a Sikh Empire
0:02:30 of the of the Indians somehow became
0:02:33 superpowers we might be here talking
0:02:35 about Sikhism or policies er in the
0:02:38 first instance but that's not what's
0:02:40 happened so what is atheism it's the
0:02:43 same as a lack of belief from God
0:02:44 yeah or creator sustainer the atheist
0:02:50 wants us to answer the question of how
0:02:52 can you prove God exists that Creator
0:02:55 exists now frankly you guys know the
0:02:58 arguments okay I don't wanna bore you
0:03:00 with the arguments the arguments are the
0:03:03 arguments the arguments are the
0:03:04 arguments you have cosmological
0:03:06 arguments and contingency arguments and
0:03:08 fine-tuning arguments and arguments from
0:03:09 consciousness yeah you have all these
0:03:12 arguments that have been said iterated
0:03:14 and reiterated that we've said we've
0:03:16 argued with them yeah and these
0:03:19 arguments are not just Muslim arguments
0:03:22 clearly they're not Night Live nits
0:03:24 Newton very many philosophers believed
0:03:27 in these things and they would argue for
0:03:28 the things that we arguing for today
0:03:30 they actually most I would I would argue
0:03:33 that most enlightenment philosophers
0:03:34 pre-new world or probably monotheists or
0:03:38 theists pop probably yeah in the
0:03:42 Renaissance period look at Descartes
0:03:43 he is the archetypal rationalist yeah
0:03:47 obviously his book the meditations is
0:03:49 his testimony of that he was a firm
0:03:52 believer in God okay so the the new
0:03:57 atheist or the atheist or whatever you
0:03:59 want to call them I believe the
0:04:01 following yeah I believe that atheism
0:04:03 grew out of two or three things one is
0:04:08 the the weakness of the Christian
0:04:11 tradition to deal with medicine and and
0:04:13 science generally speaking and this can
0:04:15 be fun if you look for example if you go
0:04:16 this is really interesting thing if you
0:04:19 go on Google and Graham Google and
0:04:20 Graham is like Google Trends place a
0:04:22 little bit different
0:04:23 Google and Graham is
0:04:25 really interesting yeah data tool where
0:04:27 you can put like names labels you put
0:04:32 Christianity in Google Ngram what it
0:04:34 does is it tries to track how many books
0:04:36 have been read on that particular topic
0:04:37 yeah if you look at Christianity there's
0:04:39 a steep decline yeah it was a proper it
0:04:43 goes down if you look at the word
0:04:45 science for example there's an
0:04:46 incremental regime it's an exponential
0:04:47 increase and that shows something the
0:04:51 obviously correlation doesn't always
0:04:52 mean causation but we can tell through
0:04:55 the timeline that Christianity was not
0:04:57 able to deal with certain things and
0:04:58 people moved away from Christianity and
0:05:01 kind of lost faith because of its
0:05:04 inability to deal with scientific
0:05:05 phenomena and medicine of these things
0:05:08 that was one of the reasons another
0:05:10 thing is the in the increase in
0:05:11 philosophy the Enlightenment period yeah
0:05:13 and and rationalism the idea of the
0:05:15 Trinity was not appealing to the
0:05:17 majority of people it's surprising that
0:05:19 if you go to the majority of people now
0:05:21 although in the senses it might be the
0:05:23 case 2011 census that in London is meant
0:05:26 to be like a Christian majority by very
0:05:28 thin jury but if you ask a so-called
0:05:31 Christian do they believe that Jesus is
0:05:33 actually God
0:05:34 they're not they would not believe that
0:05:35 that I believe they wouldn't believe
0:05:37 that they wouldn't really go to church
0:05:39 the Christianity now is dying because
0:05:41 frankly is it doesn't have that it
0:05:45 doesn't have that right you can't
0:05:46 rationalize it it's become non
0:05:48 rationalize aboard and and people have
0:05:51 realized that and it's gone against
0:05:52 scientific and industrial for them it's
0:05:55 perceived to have gone against a
0:05:57 scientific and industrial development so
0:06:01 Christianity is on the decline and
0:06:04 atheism as Inc has basically grew
0:06:06 because for that for that further for
0:06:08 the layman for the layman in the West if
0:06:13 Christianity is not true then there's no
0:06:15 religion as true that's how they've
0:06:16 generalized it while looking at the
0:06:19 religion of the heathens and the pagans
0:06:21 and you and the people of the Orient why
0:06:26 do that when actually we had the only
0:06:29 religion which could possibly be true
0:06:30 which is Christianity and that's clearly
0:06:32 not true doesn't help us so why look at
0:06:34 these other religions so for that reason
0:06:37 I think
0:06:38 seasonless is that natural response to
0:06:40 it it's not that the idea of no God no
0:06:43 creator no cause no sustainer no
0:06:45 maintainer actually carries any
0:06:47 intellectual way another thing is the
0:06:49 problem of evil look all these things
0:06:51 that happened wars that have happened
0:06:52 the majority of heavy wars that have
0:06:54 happened in the world have been in
0:06:57 Europe trust me if if we're talking
0:07:00 about things we're talking about wars
0:07:03 which have led to people being killed
0:07:06 okay the majority of those wars have
0:07:08 been wars in Europe yeah in terms of
0:07:11 casualties world war two is probably the
0:07:13 most the one in was extreme so for that
0:07:16 reason people think why is this
0:07:17 happening how could god how could God
0:07:18 allow this problem of Evil's very is the
0:07:20 most emotional non intellectual argument
0:07:23 but very powerful because we are very
0:07:24 emotional creatures yeah and so for that
0:07:26 reason people have separate themselves
0:07:28 away on a very fundamental level I would
0:07:30 say that why put the onus on us to
0:07:32 answer the question how does God exist
0:07:34 why did why does God exist I would say
0:07:36 what evidence is there to suggest that
0:07:39 there is no causation to this universe
0:07:41 that's how I put it if you don't believe
0:07:43 in causation then we can go to
0:07:45 contingency so we can either say this
0:07:48 universe has no course which defies your
0:07:50 understanding of causation all say this
0:07:53 universe hell is not dependent upon
0:07:54 anything and it's not air is independent
0:07:56 either of those things don't carry any
0:07:59 intellectual way and cannot be
0:08:00 substantiated with any evidence simple
0:08:02 and if you do agree that there is a
0:08:04 cause and that the universe is dependent
0:08:06 which is both the causation argument or
0:08:07 cosmological argument and all the
0:08:09 courtesy argument then we'll just have
0:08:11 to simply ask what is the course use
0:08:15 your deductive reasoning to tell me what
0:08:17 the cause is what is the universe
0:08:19 depends on upon so then if we say okay
0:08:21 the universe is dependent upon something
0:08:22 which is independent because otherwise
0:08:24 we'd have that regressive infinite chain
0:08:26 then in that case we can say okay fine
0:08:28 so what is that what do you want to call
0:08:31 that what is the relationship we should
0:08:33 have with that and for us the Muslim
0:08:36 will say that is the creator the
0:08:38 sustainer the maintainer and it's God
0:08:40 that's as simple as that yeah so the
0:08:42 cause necessarily has to be something
0:08:45 which it always existed independent
0:08:48 powerful has knowledge and is able to
0:08:51 has the creative capacity to put things
0:08:53 into existence when you realize by the
0:08:55 way and I'm gonna make this very like
0:08:57 it's gonna be an adventurist sure yeah
0:09:00 I'm gonna say to you guys that when you
0:09:02 realize that there is a singular course
0:09:03 yeah when you realize this one course
0:09:05 one singular course then you can
0:09:08 literally it makes sense to kind of
0:09:11 analyze what religions are there in the
0:09:14 world okay what are the major what are
0:09:16 the accessible religions to human beings
0:09:18 what are the what are the religions
0:09:20 which are being practiced what are the
0:09:23 really what are the ways of life which
0:09:24 claim to have an understanding of that
0:09:26 singular cause that monolith that
0:09:28 monotheistic you could even say
0:09:31 understanding I will say to you that the
0:09:33 most monotheistic religion is 'aslim I
0:09:36 would say that all the other religions
0:09:38 are not monotheistic in that sense yeah
0:09:40 I would say all the other main religions
0:09:42 including Judaism including Sikhism well
0:09:44 I could make the argument but it's not
0:09:46 really the time to go into details about
0:09:47 it are not monotheistic in the purest
0:09:49 sense and there is a form of what weird
0:09:52 Muslims with the term as involved
0:09:54 in any of those religions yeah so when
0:09:57 it comes when we've realized now that
0:09:59 okay the the human being has been placed
0:10:03 by some thing or someone that has placed
0:10:07 I'ma being into this cosmos and it's a
0:10:11 significant placement and a purposeful
0:10:14 and meaningful placement then the
0:10:15 question is what is the relationship
0:10:17 that should exist between this sentient
0:10:21 human being and the creator or this
0:10:24 cause or whatever you wanna call it and
0:10:26 we would say that the relationship
0:10:27 should not differ from the relationship
0:10:29 that the cause has with anything else in
0:10:30 the creation which is a relationship of
0:10:32 submission in appreciation understanding
0:10:35 of the might of this creator respective
0:10:40 to the insignificance of the creation
0:10:41 and there is no other appropriate
0:10:43 relationship that this creation can have
0:10:46 what the Creator about that particular
0:10:47 relationship of submission and obedience
0:10:49 and if you attempt anything else it will
0:10:52 not work it's as simple as that and so
0:10:55 we will say that the monotheistic
0:10:56 understanding of God is the most
0:10:58 patently clear and rationalized upon
0:11:01 understanding of where we came from how
0:11:04 and why we are and where we're going for
0:11:08 that reason I say that trinitarianism
0:11:10 doesn't make any sense
0:11:11 it simply doesn't any honest Christian
0:11:13 who has studied number one the basics of
0:11:17 logic or even without studying and
0:11:21 frankly they'll understand this is
0:11:23 irreconcilable with rationality and
0:11:25 studied the historical development of
0:11:27 the Trinity will realize that actually
0:11:28 this is a development of the Roman
0:11:30 Empire that's what that's what
0:11:32 Trinitarian amounts to that's what the
0:11:34 heart of Christianity actually is it's
0:11:36 simply a development from the Roman
0:11:38 Empire whether we want to say they've
0:11:40 absorbed the idea of the Greeks the idea
0:11:43 is the mythological ideas because look
0:11:44 you have a father you have a son just
0:11:46 like you had fathers and sons with the
0:11:48 gods and demigods and semi gods and
0:11:50 heroes of the Greeks it's not very
0:11:53 difficult to make that a connection to
0:11:56 be honest with you to say actually when
0:11:58 in the council's the you know almost
0:12:01 impossible to commit or what chemical
0:12:04 councils thank you sometimes I get yes
0:12:07 and that you can meander cool yeah
0:12:09 councils at the seven main main ones you
0:12:12 know and I see a 325 is a Remini yeah I
0:12:17 don't know what happened by Latinos like
0:12:18 you know then you had like you know I'm
0:12:20 saying Constantinople 381 and kalsa
0:12:22 later for 50 51 whatever it was those
0:12:25 seven councils and you look if you look
0:12:27 at the Creed's of those councils a clear
0:12:29 development from unitarianism to
0:12:31 binitarianism to Trinity and this is by
0:12:34 the scholars of the Christians kind of
0:12:36 agreed upon really to be honest with you
0:12:38 so when you realize that historical
0:12:40 development then you realize actually
0:12:43 Christianity is a historical development
0:12:44 the core of Christianity is a historical
0:12:46 development and by the way the way Islam
0:12:49 was spread was different to the way
0:12:50 Christianity was spread Christianity
0:12:52 what had the thing is you have already a
0:12:55 pre-established Roman Empire and then
0:12:58 you had Emperor's who then spread it
0:13:01 into the eastern and western parts of
0:13:02 the Empire with Islam didn't have a
0:13:04 pre-existing Empire which emperors
0:13:06 decided I've got changed my religion it
0:13:08 started with men and women right inside
0:13:12 with human beings yeah so for that
0:13:15 reason there is a difference in the way
0:13:17 that most
0:13:18 Christianity was spread on a fundamental
0:13:19 level but the reason why we're talking
0:13:21 about Christianity is because of that
0:13:22 because of the fact that once again the
0:13:24 Roman Empire was the Empire of the day
0:13:26 and it was able to spread that message
0:13:28 to all those people and by the way that
0:13:32 doesn't say it's false because of that
0:13:34 because that would be the genetic
0:13:35 fallacy and I wouldn't say that
0:13:37 atheism is false because you know the
0:13:40 white man promoted it because once again
0:13:42 that would be the genetic fallacy I'm
0:13:43 just making the point that actually the
0:13:46 reasons why we're talking about these
0:13:47 things is because of this yeah which is
0:13:50 a different point were together so no
0:13:51 one saw me in the grilling a Muslim
0:13:54 session now hey I wanted to set you guys
0:13:57 all so that frankly once you come to the
0:14:01 realization that OK'd is one of God
0:14:02 exists it can't be a triune God it can't
0:14:05 be no God and there is a relationship
0:14:07 that that God must have you ask yourself
0:14:09 what is the intermediary or what is the
0:14:11 means by which through which this
0:14:13 creator the sustainer this maintainer or
0:14:16 this cause is going to communicate with
0:14:20 human beings in order to inform the
0:14:22 human being okay that actually they have
0:14:25 a purpose in life and we say that the
0:14:28 intermediate media that was used was two
0:14:30 kinds of intermediary I had angels and
0:14:32 prophets one metaphysical and the other
0:14:34 physical metaphysical entities of angels
0:14:37 are just like metaphysical entities
0:14:38 which we can't see which are actually
0:14:40 scientific when you use metaphysical
0:14:42 language in the once again the white
0:14:43 man's world post-colonial world say come
0:14:46 on man fairytales in Halloween and they
0:14:48 say and I know it conjures very negative
0:14:50 connotations of superstition all these
0:14:52 things which we've left behind in Dark
0:14:54 Ages
0:14:54 okay well look better physicists making
0:14:58 a comeback in science know that quantum
0:14:59 mechanics do the quantum physics look at
0:15:01 look at philosophy most of the things
0:15:03 the precepts and concepts are you
0:15:04 believe in that a scientific method that
0:15:07 is based on is actually our metaphysical
0:15:09 concepts and these of rationalism in
0:15:11 mathematics they're not physical anyways
0:15:14 so we have the physical angel the
0:15:16 physical prophets and the metaphysical
0:15:18 angels and then you have that connection
0:15:20 and so we would say God communicated
0:15:24 with human beings to remind the human
0:15:26 being compacted a car their car said
0:15:28 that human being was
0:15:29 has the autograph of God in him as the
0:15:31 language that he used in other words the
0:15:33 human being is born predisposed to the
0:15:35 idea of God and the Islamic thesis is
0:15:37 the same the Islamic thesis is that God
0:15:42 predetermined or pre allowed this idea
0:15:45 of submission to him to exist and and
0:15:51 what what messengers do is come to
0:15:53 remind human being of their reality
0:15:55 that's the Islamic thesis yeah so
0:15:58 messengers have come before time all of
0:15:59 which with the same message and if you
0:16:01 look at the Old Testament corpus and you
0:16:04 look at the New Testament corpus like
0:16:07 the book of Acts for examples really
0:16:08 interesting you'll find that really this
0:16:12 is this is even not just a Quranic
0:16:14 message this is an extra Quranic message
0:16:17 is a biblical message you can even
0:16:18 extend it to other religions actually
0:16:20 prophets came before time there is this
0:16:22 metal narrative it does exist with an
0:16:24 historical framework the religious
0:16:25 framework that there were these messages
0:16:27 that came all of which with this message
0:16:28 to remind human beings to worship God
0:16:31 and to abstain from doing the bad things
0:16:34 or the socially bad things that have
0:16:37 been told to us are bad from the Creator
0:16:39 who knows who but they also came with a
0:16:43 miracle now I don't know how long I've
0:16:46 got left here not that long yeah maybe
0:16:48 five minutes five ten minutes one two
0:16:51 minutes I'll need five minutes yeah I
0:16:59 need five minutes okay
0:17:04 it's not like I'm making a good use of
0:17:06 that time I just want to make sure that
0:17:08 well it's gonna say to you guys was that
0:17:11 basically the profits came with two
0:17:13 things yeah all of the profits came with
0:17:17 a message and an evidence and the
0:17:19 evidence was if you think about the
0:17:21 message was meant to appeal to a sense
0:17:22 of spiritual identity was meant to allow
0:17:26 the human being to recollect that
0:17:29 information which was embedded into him
0:17:30 in the first instance in the
0:17:32 pre-existence phase through their souls
0:17:35 because we believe as Muslims that human
0:17:37 beings had been conditioned through
0:17:39 their souls but the the evidence was
0:17:42 really and evidence which would allow
0:17:45 human beings to rationalize Islam or the
0:17:48 message of Islam and those may say those
0:17:51 things those evidences are many and a
0:17:55 mess and their evidence is meant to defy
0:17:57 certain things in my estimation and
0:18:01 evidence is something yeah which
0:18:05 probabilistically would not happen
0:18:08 otherwise so for example human beings
0:18:12 can do certain things you can say and
0:18:14 that there's something do say this hi
0:18:17 jellies or digest yeah yeah just in
0:18:19 Arabic means something which is
0:18:20 miraculous or paralyzing incapacitating
0:18:24 well this is not the word the Quran uses
0:18:26 the word in the Quran is a an a as a
0:18:29 sign literally it's like something which
0:18:31 you can see is clear self-evident and we
0:18:35 will say that the Quranic message in
0:18:36 itself is a sign but also the linguistic
0:18:41 composition of the Quran Allah says as a
0:18:42 sign the structural intertextual method
0:18:45 togetherness of the Quranic message is
0:18:47 also a sign we would say the prophesies
0:18:50 of the Quran and the hadith where
0:18:52 literally the the prophecies that are
0:18:54 mentioned is also another sign yeah we
0:18:58 would say the extra Quranic information
0:19:01 based on cool information for example
0:19:02 the mentioning of of Muhammad in other
0:19:04 books is as another science I said we
0:19:07 will say that we will say the social and
0:19:10 economic effects of Islam and it's
0:19:13 spreading is another sign we say the
0:19:15 effects of Islamic Ummah beings as that
0:19:17 another side so there are many signs
0:19:19 that indicate the truth the reality of
0:19:22 Islam we're not gonna go over them
0:19:24 because we don't have time if you do
0:19:26 want to I've done like series on almost
0:19:29 all of those things are like structural
0:19:30 coherence of the Quran prophecies of the
0:19:33 Quran and the Sunnah all of that is on
0:19:35 my channel so UK if you're interested in
0:19:37 any of those who research you can
0:19:39 research those things on my channel
0:19:40 which I obviously increase my views and
0:19:43 stuff there so I'm going to leave it at
0:19:46 that so we will say that you have two
0:19:48 things generally speaking you have the
0:19:50 message and you have what could in a
0:19:52 vernacular sensibly classes the miracle
0:19:54 it's not perspective we'll say that
0:19:56 Islam comes with both of those things
0:19:58 and if someone is sincere has a I will
0:20:03 call it a psycho spiritual yeah I don't
0:20:05 know if that's a word but it's just
0:20:06 going to throw out there someone else
0:20:08 will use it or become a word yeah if
0:20:12 someone has a psycho spiritual
0:20:13 inclination towards the truth and they
0:20:16 are sincere I would argue that the
0:20:19 Islamic thesis it would be enough to
0:20:21 convince them okay okay now we can have
0:20:24 a rest okay is that it good time I tried
0:20:30 to do
0:20:34 [Music]