Muslim Responds to Indian News .Sharia Law, Taliban and Afghanistan #Gravitas (2021-09-04) ​

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0:00:14 assalamu alaikum
0:00:16 i am going to respond to a video that
0:00:18 has gone semi viral you could actually
0:00:20 say it's gone viral depending on your
0:00:21 definition of course
0:00:22 a woman a broadcaster from india who has
0:00:25 perpetuated falsehood really monstrous
0:00:28 falsehoods one after the other blunders
0:00:30 she's made blunders mistakes speaking
0:00:32 with authority where she shouldn't have
0:00:34 done so
0:00:35 and i'm gonna be reacting to this video
0:00:37 of this woman speaking about the
0:00:38 afghanistan situation about the taliban
0:00:41 about the sharia law in fact the video
0:00:43 is entitled what is the sharia law so
0:00:46 that's a cess
0:00:47 in watching this video whether this
0:00:48 woman understands that which she's
0:00:51 talking about
0:00:52 there was a time when afghanistan was a
0:00:54 modern state faith was a private matter
0:00:57 so already we're talking about modernity
0:00:58 right so there's an assumption from the
0:01:00 very outset that western modernity
0:01:03 progressivism in that sense
0:01:05 is potentially the barometer or the
0:01:07 standard
0:01:08 that we should meet well these
0:01:10 assertions or these assumptions
0:01:13 have to be evidence in and of themselves
0:01:15 we don't need to
0:01:16 go towards modernity or progressivism or
0:01:19 western culture
0:01:20 and if you do if you do want to put us
0:01:22 in that kind of category of going
0:01:24 towards this and you think that's the
0:01:25 right thing to do then you have to argue
0:01:27 for that from first principles it's not
0:01:29 good enough to just say well it's
0:01:31 modernity and assume it you have to
0:01:33 argue from the beginning and i come to
0:01:34 you with arguably the most controversial
0:01:37 concept in the world
0:01:39 it's arguably the most controversial
0:01:41 concept in the world of course it's not
0:01:43 maybe befitting for me to to outline the
0:01:46 fact that controversiality does not
0:01:48 equate to falsity and i'm not saying
0:01:50 that she's saying that but just to make
0:01:52 sure that our audience or the end user
0:01:54 here is fully familiar with this point
0:01:56 but is it the most controversial thing
0:01:58 in the world
0:01:59 i mean
0:02:00 there are lots of things historically
0:02:02 and contemporaneously that have been
0:02:04 more controversial the shape of the
0:02:05 earth has been extremely controversial
0:02:07 on the history of cosmology in the last
0:02:09 thousand years
0:02:10 even more controversial you could argue
0:02:12 a sati
0:02:13 a practice called sati
0:02:15 that was done by hindu women
0:02:17 historically and even up until the
0:02:18 modern age actually and this practice
0:02:22 what involved a woman burning herself
0:02:24 in mourning
0:02:26 for her husband's death
0:02:29 talk about women's rights so one of
0:02:31 those things it took the colonial powers
0:02:33 the british powers to come and outlaw
0:02:34 this thing the white man to come and
0:02:36 tell you what was right and wrong
0:02:38 yes no wonder why you're so obsessed
0:02:40 with the white man because he stops you
0:02:41 from burning yourselves i mean i
0:02:43 understand the inferiority complex here
0:02:46 but
0:02:47 let's not try and think now that
0:02:51 this is the once again the barometer
0:02:53 that we must all fulfill or the
0:02:56 um
0:02:56 the the standard that we must all meet
0:02:58 the white man standard why is it so
0:03:01 controversial why does the world fear it
0:03:03 will take afghanistan further back in
0:03:06 time
0:03:08 what do you mean by the world do you
0:03:09 mean the white man
0:03:11 is that what we mean or the western
0:03:12 powers or colonial powers or ex-colonial
0:03:14 powers or the superpowers who do you
0:03:15 mean by
0:03:17 the world
0:03:18 okay let's keep listening we've spoken
0:03:20 to a lot of scholars and experts to put
0:03:22 this report together you've spoken to a
0:03:24 lot of scholars and experts so i'm
0:03:26 expecting what you say about sharia law
0:03:28 is going to be something which is
0:03:29 academically robust and if if not then
0:03:32 you will be
0:03:33 obviously to blame thanks to the
0:03:35 misrepresentation manipulation and
0:03:37 misuse of the sharia by whom islamic
0:03:40 regimes politicians clerics radicals
0:03:43 terrorists they've all used the sharia
0:03:45 to rule in the name of god
0:03:47 so coming back to the question what is
0:03:48 the sharia well there is no
0:03:50 that's not the exclusive property of
0:03:52 religious disciples
0:03:54 many radicals and terrorists have used
0:03:56 secular ideology to do the same thing so
0:03:59 this is not this is not an exclusivist
0:04:01 discourse here i mean we can we can
0:04:03 point to stalin we can point to even
0:04:05 lenin we can point to mao we can point
0:04:07 to many different people who had
0:04:09 materialist ideologies and who did the
0:04:11 same thing
0:04:12 so
0:04:13 this is not an exclusivist discourse and
0:04:15 you shouldn't make it seem as if it is
0:04:17 where do the rules come from three
0:04:19 sources the quran which is islam's holy
0:04:21 book the sunnah which is basically the
0:04:23 deeds of prophet muhammad and the hadees
0:04:25 the sayings of the prophet this is the
0:04:28 first major blunder it's actually a huge
0:04:30 blunder
0:04:31 it's the quran
0:04:33 the hadith which is the sunnah i don't
0:04:35 know why you've separated the two things
0:04:37 and then the third thing is ishmael
0:04:39 which is consensus and the fourth thing
0:04:40 is yes
0:04:42 and actually nezhamad dina tofi who is a
0:04:44 one of the specialists of the principles
0:04:46 of jurisprudence
0:04:48 he mentions 11 sources all together
0:04:50 including
0:04:54 so
0:04:56 the saying of the sahabi all the rulings
0:04:59 of those who came before us in terms of
0:05:00 the other uh legal systems of moses and
0:05:03 for example abraham and so on
0:05:07 which is the idea of the common interest
0:05:08 all of these things are also sources of
0:05:10 sharia
0:05:11 and this is the reductionist
0:05:12 understanding that has left a lot of
0:05:13 people like yourself
0:05:16 reducing the sharia to just one or two
0:05:18 sources
0:05:19 this is not the case and in fact you
0:05:21 haven't even represented it correctly
0:05:22 according to any school of thought shia
0:05:24 or sunnah this is completely false what
0:05:27 you've said there is wrong listen to me
0:05:29 carefully what you said there is wrong
0:05:31 because once again to reiterate the four
0:05:34 major
0:05:35 masada sharia if you like
0:05:37 or the the four major sources of sharia
0:05:40 are the quran as you've mentioned the
0:05:42 sunnah which is the hadith which itself
0:05:44 is subdivided into different types
0:05:46 authentic sahih yamatawa
0:05:49 hassan hasan
0:05:55 and these categorizations are known by
0:05:56 the people of hadith and then you have
0:05:59 ishmael which is the legal consensus
0:06:01 which is defined by or as
0:06:04 the
0:06:06 the consensus of the jurists in one
0:06:08 specific time in one specific issue in
0:06:11 one of
0:06:12 the issues of the uh islamic
0:06:15 law
0:06:16 this is ishmael and then you have chaos
0:06:18 which is legal analogy for example if
0:06:20 something is haram
0:06:22 in the quran but then there's something
0:06:24 which also has the same causative
0:06:25 reasoning they analogize onto it for
0:06:28 example
0:06:29 alcohol is haram or wine is haram let's
0:06:32 say they analogize on to that
0:06:34 that smoking weed is haram they smoking
0:06:38 anything that intoxic hallucinogens are
0:06:39 haram because it's
0:06:42 analogized onto and this is one of the
0:06:45 masada if you like one of the
0:06:48 sources of sharia but there are these
0:06:50 are the four main ones there are other
0:06:51 ones like masala
0:06:53 this is actually a source of sharia
0:06:55 masala is the common interest
0:06:58 a lot of people are asking why is it
0:06:59 that the taliban are
0:07:00 acting in a more pragmatic manner now
0:07:03 is because of this source see if you if
0:07:05 you knew these things then you'd know
0:07:07 how to operate and how to interact with
0:07:10 those who you disagree with you don't
0:07:11 even know the source of sharia ah
0:07:13 therefore your analysis is going to be
0:07:15 reductionist is going to be false and
0:07:17 it's going to be lacking where are the
0:07:19 scholars now that you said you they
0:07:21 don't even know the basis of
0:07:23 sharia
0:07:24 in islam
0:07:25 there's a range of other sources to work
0:07:27 out how god wants muslims to live but
0:07:30 there is no single law book no definite
0:07:33 statute no said judicial proceeding
0:07:36 that's false there is a set judicial
0:07:37 precedent it's not precedent it's
0:07:39 precedent and there is a there is a set
0:07:42 precedent from the ishmael
0:07:44 so when scholars make a decision on the
0:07:47 par or on the uh on whatever his issue
0:07:49 is they look at the ishmael if there's a
0:07:50 ishmael or a consensus of a past that
0:07:54 acts effectively like a judicial
0:07:56 president it's basically a vast
0:07:58 collection of different often
0:08:00 conflicting interpretations
0:08:02 these are that's not
0:08:04 see you're confusing it yourself you
0:08:05 said sharia is different because the
0:08:08 interpretations and sharia is god's will
0:08:10 now you're saying that sharia has got
0:08:12 sharia is diff different interpretations
0:08:14 which is false you can't even keep up
0:08:16 with your own script that you're reading
0:08:18 in front of your face
0:08:20 this is ignorance compounded
0:08:22 interpretations gave birth to five
0:08:24 schools of thought five legal schools of
0:08:27 sharia and you must know this there are
0:08:28 different kinds of sharia
0:08:30 we must know this and you're gonna teach
0:08:31 us you must know this
0:08:33 by the way there are more than four five
0:08:35 six seven schools of thought these are
0:08:36 the ones which have survived
0:08:38 there are many schools of thought atari
0:08:40 had a school of thought
0:08:41 had a school of thought these big names
0:08:43 had a school of thought they just
0:08:44 haven't survived so if you want to be
0:08:46 meticulous and you want to be precise
0:08:48 then don't speak in the way that you've
0:08:50 just spoken
0:08:56 these four belong to sunni islam the
0:08:58 fifth is a shia version of what about
0:09:02 what about the what about zaydi shias
0:09:05 you've completely missed a big chunks so
0:09:07 you're all over the place zaydi shia is
0:09:09 they are the majority of the yemeni
0:09:11 population of shiites you've completely
0:09:13 left them out in your analysis here how
0:09:15 comes
0:09:17 sharia it's called jafri
0:09:19 all five of them are named after
0:09:21 theologists and jurists the men who
0:09:24 theologians and jurists
0:09:27 yes
0:09:29 interpreted islamic texts
0:09:31 now look at this map
0:09:33 the hanbali school is the smallest and
0:09:35 strictest of them all it's primary
0:09:38 what you define as strict this is it
0:09:40 seems to be a very subjective reading
0:09:42 what do you define as a strict there's
0:09:43 many rulings in the hamburglar school of
0:09:45 thought
0:09:46 i'm not just saying that because
0:09:47 obviously i come from that school
0:09:48 thought but um there are many rulings
0:09:50 which are by and large more facilitative
0:09:54 for many different people so this is a
0:09:55 very
0:09:56 odd kind of subjective value judgment
0:09:58 coming from someone who has no knowledge
0:10:00 of any of the schools of thought and you
0:10:01 probably wouldn't ask you why is it the
0:10:02 strictest you probably wouldn't know how
0:10:03 to answer that
0:10:05 resource is the quran it is practiced in
0:10:07 saudi arabia and qatar
0:10:09 it also has significant followers in
0:10:11 these countries i mean saudi arabia yes
0:10:13 they practiced
0:10:14 a lot of a lot of people a lot of
0:10:16 jerusalem humbly there about a lot of
0:10:18 salafists who are not non-medhabi
0:10:21 actually in saudi arabia and so once
0:10:23 again the awam the the labe audience the
0:10:25 lay people this is very important for
0:10:27 even us to know as muslims there's a
0:10:28 difference between what the elitists or
0:10:30 the clerics or whatever it is they
0:10:32 practice and what the lay audience
0:10:35 their lay audience really doesn't have a
0:10:37 method
0:10:39 the ami doesn't really know about the
0:10:40 hamburglar school of if you ask him
0:10:41 what's the difference between himself
0:10:42 and hanafi they all know the difference
0:10:44 so this is only applicable really to the
0:10:46 elitists
0:10:47 but you wouldn't know that the shafi
0:10:49 school of sharia relies on consensus
0:10:51 over understanding of the quran i would
0:10:53 dare you i dare you to find me one book
0:10:57 from imam shafi's
0:10:59 the first book ever written
0:11:01 on usual by the way in islamic history
0:11:03 he is the one who which is islamic
0:11:05 jewish prudence are they to find me one
0:11:07 book of shafai usual which says that
0:11:10 consensus is
0:11:12 preferred over the quran there's no such
0:11:15 statement made by any scholar in islamic
0:11:17 history you've just made a fool of
0:11:18 yourself not realizing it speaking
0:11:20 nonchalantly and casually
0:11:23 this is embarrassing this is totally
0:11:24 embarrassing why are you speaking about
0:11:25 these matters
0:11:27 why are you speaking about these matters
0:11:29 you clearly are uneducated
0:11:31 you think you're educated you're
0:11:32 uneducated you're being educated right
0:11:34 now you've just made a huge blunder you
0:11:36 said the shafai school of thought relies
0:11:38 upon consensus over the understanding of
0:11:41 the quran and there is no such there is
0:11:43 not even one scholar in islamic history
0:11:45 from any school of thought who's ever
0:11:47 said such a thing you fool the hanafi
0:11:49 school the earliest the most flexible
0:11:51 version of the sharia it relies both on
0:11:54 consensus and independent reasoning the
0:11:56 hanafi school has the largest number
0:11:59 there's all of the schools of thor have
0:12:01 class except for the school of thought
0:12:03 so you're making as if this is a special
0:12:05 speciality of the hanafi method it's not
0:12:08 independent reasoning is ps which is
0:12:09 analyzing and then analogizing causative
0:12:12 reasoning and then and analyzing
0:12:14 backward formula this is not as special
0:12:15 as a speciality of the hanafi method all
0:12:18 of them if they have except for the
0:12:18 vladimir which he didn't mention
0:12:21 is uh in fact
0:12:22 has that has that future they live in
0:12:24 turkey jordan lebanon egypt afghanistan
0:12:27 pakistan india
0:12:29 yeah afghanistan so you've called it the
0:12:31 most flexible form of sharia
0:12:33 but but how do you square that with the
0:12:35 fact that the taliban are implementing
0:12:37 it you've you so you see there's
0:12:40 contradictory messaging here in your
0:12:41 broadcast you don't you don't even seem
0:12:43 to realize it that's how embarrassing it
0:12:45 is but the problem begins when religion
0:12:47 is mixed with governance
0:12:49 she says the problem begins when
0:12:51 religion is mixed with governance that's
0:12:53 that is a supposition you're making an
0:12:55 assertion you've gone from inform
0:12:57 informative broadcast to persuasive
0:13:00 broadcasting so now you're inserting a
0:13:02 secular ideal my question is the
0:13:05 presumption of secularity how can you
0:13:07 assert that without giving any evidence
0:13:10 what are your demonstrative proofs that
0:13:12 secularism is the neutral way or the
0:13:16 best way to live
0:13:18 do you have any evidence to in support
0:13:20 of secularism how do you even support
0:13:22 how do you even define secularism
0:13:24 because if secularism is a def is a
0:13:26 division between church and state
0:13:28 or religion and secular governance my
0:13:31 question to you is what constitutes his
0:13:33 religion if you look at the sociological
0:13:35 literature you'll find that there's
0:13:36 broad definitions which include
0:13:38 political ideologies things like
0:13:40 feminism things like liberalism and
0:13:42 things like ironically enough
0:13:44 constitutionalism republicanism
0:13:46 nationalism as well so if that is the
0:13:48 case
0:13:49 then to what extent can a government
0:13:51 like yours in india a nationalist
0:13:53 government a secular government one that
0:13:55 maybe claims to be liberal and democrat
0:13:56 democratic at the same time all those
0:13:58 things
0:13:59 could that be classified as a religious
0:14:01 type of reasoning or a religious kind of
0:14:04 thing in the first place and if it is
0:14:06 religion
0:14:07 then if it is religious then it wouldn't
0:14:08 be secular and so once again your ideal
0:14:11 would be dismissed why should we
0:14:14 prioritize even if barring
0:14:17 or bearing into consideration secularism
0:14:19 why why should we con why should we
0:14:22 privilege political ideology over and
0:14:24 above
0:14:25 theological
0:14:26 uh systems is there any argument that
0:14:28 you have from first principles that lead
0:14:30 us to that
0:14:32 so you see you see the problem is you've
0:14:34 inserted your opinion
0:14:36 my dear and unfortunately what you
0:14:38 haven't done is provide any evidence and
0:14:40 the quran states
0:14:44 bring your evidences for your truthful
0:14:45 many muslims who embrace the sharia
0:14:47 thought of it as a substitute for the
0:14:50 law of the land and that's where the
0:14:51 problem lies the sharia was just
0:14:53 supposed to be a way of living so now
0:14:56 you're making a theological claim you're
0:14:57 saying it's meant to be a way of living
0:14:58 it's not meant to be for governance
0:15:00 so but how would you make sense of all
0:15:02 the quranic verses in that hadith which
0:15:04 clearly indicates
0:15:06 that
0:15:07 which are addressing in the first place
0:15:09 politicians
0:15:11 generals and armies and so on and while
0:15:13 european nations later separated the
0:15:15 church from the state many islamic
0:15:17 countries did not
0:15:19 france britain and other europe so
0:15:23 so uh
0:15:25 european powers had colonized much of
0:15:27 west asia africa and asia when they left
0:15:30 leaders of the newly formed muslim
0:15:31 majority countries faced a dilemma
0:15:34 should they govern based on previous
0:15:36 islamic values or should they embrace
0:15:38 laws inherited leaders of those nations
0:15:41 that you're talking about were usually
0:15:43 puppet leaders installed by the colonial
0:15:46 overlords that just left well they chose
0:15:48 the sharia as the basis of their legal
0:15:50 justice system well you said it yourself
0:15:52 they chose if if that is what you
0:15:54 believe that they chose and the people
0:15:56 of the country chose that and we say 96
0:15:58 according to pew of afghani people want
0:16:00 the sharia isn't that a kind of
0:16:02 democratic reasoning
0:16:04 and if it is a kind of democratic
0:16:05 reasoning on your worldview shouldn't
0:16:07 you be respectful
0:16:09 respectful of that and get out of their
0:16:10 business what's your point why are you
0:16:12 getting involved in other people's
0:16:13 choices you said they chose the sharia
0:16:15 so what why is it what's got to do with
0:16:17 you as an indian what happens in
0:16:18 afghanistan iran or anywhere else
0:16:20 you're it's island of your business with
0:16:21 what you respect you should focus on the
0:16:23 minorities in india that are being
0:16:25 destroyed killed and lynched
0:16:27 if you want to talk about
0:16:29 rights human rights what makes this law
0:16:32 acceptable in some countries and
0:16:34 horrific in others
0:16:35 it's understanding and implementation
0:16:38 some countries enforce the most
0:16:39 discriminatory and patriarchal right so
0:16:42 what does so if that's true what would
0:16:44 make it different from any other system
0:16:47 and now you've mentioned a key term
0:16:49 what if i reject the term altogether as
0:16:51 a social construct because actually if
0:16:53 we say for example that patriarchy talks
0:16:56 about oppression of men to women
0:16:58 then there's a whole range of backlash
0:17:01 literature now in the west even that
0:17:03 actually calls into question that very
0:17:05 notion warfarin himself talks in the
0:17:07 myth of male power about the fact that
0:17:09 if you define power as somebody's
0:17:12 ability to have control of their own
0:17:13 life then you can't say that men being
0:17:16 forced to go to war and go into
0:17:17 dangerous jobs and so on and so forth
0:17:19 that counts as power and so your idea of
0:17:20 patriarchy therefore will completely
0:17:23 change forget about okay backlash
0:17:25 literature even third wave feminists
0:17:27 people like judith butler in her book
0:17:30 gender troubles she puts into the
0:17:31 question this notion of patriarchy so
0:17:34 why should we assume patriarchy once
0:17:36 again you're assuming all these labels
0:17:39 patriarchy modernity progressivism
0:17:41 without arguing them for them first on
0:17:43 first principles why should we be
0:17:45 colonized mentally and ideologically as
0:17:48 you and i in our respective nations were
0:17:50 colonized physically by the british
0:17:53 troops
0:17:55 why are you submitting
0:17:57 in this manner
0:17:59 why is there some kind of inferiority
0:18:01 complex perhaps that you have
0:18:04 are you weakened by
0:18:05 western hegemony have you got nothing to
0:18:08 offer or have you got nothing that
0:18:10 you've extracted from your own culture
0:18:11 that can compete with western
0:18:14 ideological hegemony
0:18:15 and is that the reason why you have such
0:18:17 an inferiority complex we don't feel the
0:18:18 same way unfortunately and you know the
0:18:20 thing is you and i both know the reason
0:18:22 why you're speaking about islam and
0:18:23 they're all scared of it is because it's
0:18:25 a sleeping giant that you don't want to
0:18:26 wake up because it's the thing that for
0:18:29 hundreds of years civilization lee had
0:18:32 brought all of these different nations
0:18:34 together
0:18:35 multicultural multiracial
0:18:38 and also multi-religious
0:18:41 under one banner
0:18:42 and it's the thing you're you're scared
0:18:44 of which is why in your country your
0:18:46 political leadership is doing what it's
0:18:48 doing to the minorities there don't
0:18:50 pretend we know why you keep mentioning
0:18:52 muslims in your streams and islam
0:18:54 because you're scared of it you're
0:18:55 coward they selectively picked certain
0:18:58 verses from the quran and legalized
0:19:00 draconian practices
0:19:02 like polygamy
0:19:04 how is polygamy a draconian practice you
0:19:07 seem not to even understand the words
0:19:08 that you're using polygamy by the way is
0:19:10 something which is sanctionable by
0:19:13 liberalism there's nothing wrong with
0:19:15 polygamy or liberalism tell me one thing
0:19:17 that liberalism opposes about polygamy
0:19:20 by the way hinduism which is probably
0:19:22 the religion of your forefathers and
0:19:23 predecessors i don't know if it's your
0:19:25 religion as well but certainly it's the
0:19:26 majority of religion in india allows
0:19:28 polygamy let's take a look at what zakir
0:19:29 naik the guy by the way you tried to
0:19:31 kick out of your country because he was
0:19:32 converting the people to islam
0:19:34 yes and because of free speech let's see
0:19:36 what he has to say about this matter if
0:19:38 you read ramayan the father of ram king
0:19:41 dashrath he had three wives
0:19:43 if you read the vishnu sutra chapter
0:19:45 number 24 verse number one it says a
0:19:47 brahman can have four wives
0:19:49 if read ma bharat krishna and how many
0:19:51 wives four
0:19:52 ten thousand ten thousand krishna had
0:19:55 sixteen thousand one hundred and eight
0:19:56 wives he didn't like hearing his voice
0:19:58 did you
0:19:59 made him made you angry didn't he like
0:20:01 many of the hindus nationalist hindu
0:20:04 nationalist racist i know how you feel
0:20:07 about that man
0:20:08 but you can die in your age with all due
0:20:10 respect you can die in your rage
0:20:13 because he still
0:20:14 has changed the demographic of your
0:20:16 country genital mutation
0:20:19 genital mutation
0:20:21 you can't even say the word dear you
0:20:23 can't even say the word it's mutilation
0:20:26 mutation what is this kind of what is
0:20:27 this transformers what is a cancer
0:20:30 you can't even speak english properly
0:20:32 can you it's mutilation and you're
0:20:34 saying this is meant in the quran
0:20:37 and then
0:20:37 underneath is not mentioned in the quran
0:20:39 in any quranic verse
0:20:42 so why i mention it in the list with
0:20:44 with with polygyny it should be
0:20:46 pollution why polligenic and mutilation
0:20:49 why are you putting them together and by
0:20:50 the way triple talaq
0:20:52 i mean uh doing through talking one much
0:20:54 less is haram something that islam
0:20:55 doesn't allow according to all schools
0:20:57 of thought does god judge differently
0:20:59 based on gender no the quran actually
0:21:01 answers that directly itself
0:21:10 that god does not let to waste
0:21:13 any deed of those who do deeds from men
0:21:16 and women and both of them are from one
0:21:18 another why are you mentioning this as
0:21:20 if it's something that we believe in
0:21:23 what who are you even uh
0:21:26 putting this to
0:21:27 you know the answer if if you're asking
0:21:29 a theological question the quran says no
0:21:31 for many clerics it does it shouldn't do
0:21:33 because the quran i don't know of any
0:21:35 cleric scholar islam who believes that
0:21:37 give me one name of a scholar who
0:21:39 believes that there is not such a thing
0:21:40 as spiritual equality in islam we do not
0:21:43 believe that equality in value means
0:21:45 identicality and roles so where there is
0:21:48 physiological or
0:21:51 psychological whatever it may be
0:21:52 differences between men and women there
0:21:54 may be some
0:21:56 facilitation for either man and or woman
0:21:59 in the quran
0:22:00 but we would say that is fully justified
0:22:03 why should man and woman dress
0:22:04 differently in fact you're talking about
0:22:06 dress code if i were to take my shirt
0:22:08 off and a woman was to take her shirt
0:22:09 off in this very country that i live in
0:22:11 the uk yeah do you think will be judged
0:22:13 the same even by the law in this land no
0:22:16 the answer is not despite the fact that
0:22:18 women worked and fought alongside the
0:22:20 prophet
0:22:21 they won't tell you this
0:22:22 in some countries who won't tell you
0:22:25 this women cannot step out without an
0:22:28 abaya or a veil but men can dress the
0:22:30 way they want really can men dress the
0:22:32 way they want or is there not a
0:22:33 restriction for them from the navel to
0:22:35 the knee as well
0:22:36 once again you don't know sharia and you
0:22:38 don't know if so you're making blunders
0:22:39 women cannot stand for president but men
0:22:42 can govern for a lifetime who said women
0:22:44 cannot stand for president in islam who
0:22:46 said this
0:22:48 this is a different a matter of opinion
0:22:51 you mentioned this already there's a
0:22:52 difference between khalifa
0:22:54 okay and wizard
0:22:57 and it's not it's no consensus in islam
0:22:59 that a woman cannot stand for a
0:23:01 president or if a leader of a country
0:23:04 there's no consensus on to that
0:23:06 to that effect women cannot choose to
0:23:09 have an abortion
0:23:10 women can choose to have an abortion
0:23:12 before 40 days according to the hambuli
0:23:14 medhab if there is a reason for it but
0:23:16 abortion is not a muslim specific issue
0:23:18 i don't know why you're mentioning it
0:23:19 in fact islam has a more lenient view on
0:23:21 abortion than catholicism
0:23:24 why are you mentioning abortion anyway
0:23:25 after a certain time period many people
0:23:27 would say when the baby becomes viable
0:23:29 or insolvent happens then no we
0:23:31 shouldn't cause an abortion because we
0:23:32 are not going to
0:23:34 prefer so-called women's rights on
0:23:35 children's rights
0:23:37 so what are you talking about
0:23:39 why why are you now inserting abortion
0:23:40 into this discussion you seem to be
0:23:43 secularizing the discourse even to the
0:23:45 even to the detriment of the uh
0:23:48 the american discussion on abortion this
0:23:50 is a discussion that's happening in
0:23:52 america whether abortion is okay or not
0:23:55 but men are allowed to have four wives
0:23:58 so what if men are allowed to have four
0:23:59 wives what's wrong with that
0:24:02 why shouldn't men have four wives in in
0:24:04 this country in the uk i can have a
0:24:06 thousand women sexual partners one
0:24:08 thousand just like krishna had sixteen
0:24:10 thousand one hundred and eight wives so
0:24:12 when krishna can have sixteen thousand
0:24:14 one and eight five so why can't we
0:24:15 muslims have at least
0:24:16 four women cannot travel without a male
0:24:19 guardian why would they want to travel
0:24:20 in a country like india without a male
0:24:21 guardian their male guardians are being
0:24:23 lynched themselves why would a woman
0:24:24 want to risk it and get raped
0:24:27 try women cannot retain
0:24:29 where does it say women cannot drive in
0:24:30 the islam and in fact i don't think any
0:24:33 country now the last one was saudi
0:24:34 arabia that that's implementing that
0:24:37 they've stopped implementing that and
0:24:38 even their foreign minister by the way
0:24:40 has said that this is a cultural
0:24:41 practice of ours has got nothing to do
0:24:42 with islam
0:24:44 so why are you mentioning that as if
0:24:45 it's got something to do is this
0:24:46 something that was even practiced in
0:24:48 afghanistan that women can't drive is
0:24:50 this something that was practiced in
0:24:51 india or pakistan or egypt or indonesia
0:24:54 so what's the proportion my question is
0:24:56 now you're talking about demography
0:24:58 saudi arabia was the only country which
0:25:00 banned 30 million people was 1.8 billion
0:25:02 so why are you generalizing some such a
0:25:05 small country in terms of population to
0:25:07 the entire muslim community in the world
0:25:09 1.8 billion people
0:25:11 it seems to me like you're really
0:25:12 clutching at straws here and it seems to
0:25:14 me like you're embarrassing yourself by
0:25:16 using all these kind of orientalist
0:25:18 tropes and
0:25:19 kind of generalizing the discourse with
0:25:22 it how embarrassing
0:25:24 they have their children after divorce
0:25:26 and that's that's actually false you
0:25:27 should you said that women don't have
0:25:28 custody of the children of the
0:25:30 i don't know who who you got that from
0:25:31 in fact women do have custody over their
0:25:34 children of a divorce and in fact to the
0:25:35 detriment of the man in most cases
0:25:37 unless she gets uh divorced and so on i
0:25:39 sort of get remarried again and there's
0:25:41 discussions about how that takes place
0:25:43 but what you're saying is false women do
0:25:46 get custody of their children after
0:25:48 divorce and there's that hadith in
0:25:49 timothy to that effect where a woman
0:25:51 came to the prophet and said i have
0:25:53 raised the child and i've read thing
0:25:55 i have uh gave it for my put on my lap
0:25:57 and given it my milk and so on and the
0:25:59 prophet said that you
0:26:01 would be given custody of it but if you
0:26:02 get married that the custody will be
0:26:04 given to the man
0:26:06 and so the jurors differ as to how this
0:26:08 would take place but your what you're
0:26:09 saying is false
0:26:11 in fact custody laws are bolstered for
0:26:13 women in islam
0:26:15 and in fact there are so many things
0:26:17 that i could even speak about in regards
0:26:18 to breastfeeding and how breastfeeding
0:26:21 can some schools have thought say the
0:26:22 man has to pay for it the hamburglar
0:26:24 school of thought which you said was
0:26:24 more strict says you have to pay for the
0:26:26 breast milk and so
0:26:27 so you seem to me
0:26:29 as an ignorant person who doesn't know
0:26:31 about sharia and is conflating between
0:26:34 cultural practices
0:26:36 and the sharia receive half of what is
0:26:38 awarded to their brothers in inheritance
0:26:41 yes but they also receive the same if
0:26:43 they're a man if sorry they're the same
0:26:45 if they're a parent and they receive the
0:26:48 the lion's share if there's two sisters
0:26:56 if there's more than two women they get
0:26:57 two thirds of what's left behind it's a
0:26:59 misconception to assume therefore that
0:27:01 women inheritance get less than men in
0:27:03 islam all things including religion must
0:27:06 evolve with time
0:27:07 okay that's an assertion if that's what
0:27:09 you think everything including religion
0:27:10 must evolve with time what is your
0:27:12 evidence for that and what is it
0:27:13 evolving towards is it evolving towards
0:27:16 western enlightenment value and what
0:27:17 makes western and life and value true
0:27:20 you have to be able to argue from first
0:27:22 principles that liberalism is true that
0:27:24 secularism is true that any ism that you
0:27:26 decide to pluck out from them post
0:27:28 enlightenment or enlightenment discourse
0:27:31 is true in the first place before you
0:27:32 say evolution because this implies
0:27:34 progression
0:27:36 if some practices are outdated they must
0:27:39 end
0:27:40 well what about democracy it's the most
0:27:41 outdated practice known to
0:27:43 western western ideology it's a three
0:27:46 thousand year old it's a two thousand
0:27:47 year old practice two two and a half
0:27:48 thousand year old practice yet we still
0:27:50 practice it in one form or another so
0:27:53 this is the genetic fallacy you are
0:27:55 saying because of when something uh
0:27:58 existed it must end
0:28:01 what if something is true
0:28:03 what if it happened a thousand years ago
0:28:04 but it's true maria's interpretation and
0:28:06 practice clashes with today's way of
0:28:08 life
0:28:09 what's today's way of life what the
0:28:10 white man said is that what you mean by
0:28:13 what the white man said what the
0:28:14 privileged white colonial white man said
0:28:16 social structures then perhaps it's time
0:28:19 for revision and reflection
0:28:21 and perhaps not rather than resentment
0:28:23 so as we've seen here this is
0:28:25 misinformation lack of argument proper
0:28:27 argumentation if her argument
0:28:30 was of building
0:28:32 okay
0:28:33 the foundations would now
0:28:35 would be crumbled at the edifice
0:28:37 the building would be blown to bits
0:28:40 and would be a pile
0:28:42 or a heap of rubble
0:28:45 next time when you try and speak about
0:28:48 islam
0:28:49 get your facts right
0:28:50 or get ready to be embarrassed as you
0:28:52 have been in this session
0:28:54 assalamu alaikum
0:28:57 foreign