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Dr. Muhammad AL-MASSARI: Quranic Diacritical Marks Divine Revelation or Human Invention 1 (2022-05-31) ​

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حلقات ودروس الشيخ الدكتور محمد بن عبدالله المسعري Study Circles of Professor Dr. Muhammad AL-MASSARI تنقيط وتشكيل القرآن: وحي إلهي أم اختراع بشري Quranic Diacritical marks divine revelation or human invention 1

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discusses the various diacritical marks found in the Quran, and argues that they were either divine revelation or human invention. Two of these marks, fatah yano and the circle on top of the world, were added by later scholars. also discusses the controversy over whether or not there was a Qur'anic copy written by Muhammad's companions. It argues that the available evidence suggests that there was not, and instead that the copy of the Quran written by Muhammad's companions was a copy of a copy.

**00:00:00 ** Dr. Muhammad AL-MASSARI discusses the evidence that the Qur'an is a written revelation from God. He points out that there is no other narration in contradiction to this fact, and that it is clear from the wording of the ayah that it was multiple narrations that led to the revelation's compilation into a book. He then discusses the issue of reading the Qur'an, mentioning that some people claim that the Prophet Muhammad could not read. He clarifies that this was not actually the case, and that the Prophet was asked to read something in writing. He goes on to say that even if someone cannot read, they are still able to recite the Qur'an correctly.

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  • Discusses the origins of the Arabic script, which is believed to have been developed either as a result of divine revelation or human invention. It also discusses the origins of punctuation, which was not present in the original writing. Various fragments of the Quran that have been discovered contain no punctuation, which is likely a result of the script being adopted later by someone educated in the form of writing. Finally, the video discusses a document that has been discovered which dates back to the time of the Roman Empire. This document confirms that the Arabic script was developed during this time period.
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  • Discusses how the arabic letters in the Qur'an were distinguished by the Arabs in Mecca, and how the dots between HA and BA were known and used by the early Muslims. The second hypothesis, that the dots were a revelation from God, is supported by the fact that they are uniform across all versions of the Qur'an and there is no other variation except in a few places. This opens the door to various possible readings, including the idea that the dots were intended to be like modern-day punctuation marks.
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  • Discusses the various diacritical marks found in the Quran, and argues that they were either divine revelation or human invention. Two of these marks, fatah yano and the circle on top of the world, were added by later scholars.
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  • Discusses the controversy over whether or not there was a Qur'anic copy written by Muhammad's companions. It argues that the available evidence suggests that there was not, and instead that the copy of the Quran written by Muhammad's companions was a copy of a copy.
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  • Discusses the origins of the diacritical marks in the Qur'an, which some scholars believe were copied from earlier scripture. It also discusses the possibility that the Prophet Muhammad was aware of this, and may have avoided or ordered them not to be included in the Qur'an intentionally to make it appear as a miraculous product of divine revelation.
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  • Discusses how punctuation in the Quran can be either understood rationally or as divine revelation. notes that there is no rational explanation for why some letters were omitted, and that this is evidence in support of the divine origin of the Quran.
  • **00:40:00 ** Dr. Muhammad AL-MASSARI discusses the Quranic diacritical marks and their origins. He notes that the marks are different in different parts of the world and that they were likely invented by humans. He goes on to say that despite their origins being human-made, they still make sense and can be seen as a product of divine revelation.

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0:00:00 0:00:24 okay0:00:26 yeah0:00:27 it was0:00:28 one thing that recently came up but i0:00:30 haven't found any original source as to0:00:32 what's being said yeah this uh0:00:34 imran hussein0:00:36 um he's one of the youtube guys who's no0:00:38 real substance but made his name of0:00:40 awesome i know about the eschatology and0:00:43 so on you mean this one yeah yeah0:00:45 yeah actually0:00:46 i think have a video saying uh islamic0:00:49 eschatology as an amusement or as0:00:51 entertainment most likely his is making0:00:53 like i didn't see the video0:00:56 maybe he's mocking it all in a mild way0:00:58 because yuba lush is a little bit0:01:00 classical0:01:01 which is good it's not bad that to be0:01:04 not to be very uh0:01:06 very harsh in mocking and so on but from0:01:08 the title it's clear that he regard the0:01:10 he most likely is commenting0:01:13 on the god is just as infant there and0:01:14 nobody should take it more seriously0:01:16 than that or something but i didn't see0:01:18 maybe you should check in youtube so0:01:20 islamic eschatology as entertainment0:01:24 yeah i mean i0:01:31 you know obviously i can't we can't0:01:33 comment on unless we know exactly what's0:01:35 being said what did you say0:01:37 i can't find the original source here he0:01:39 was very what did he say0:01:41 that's what i'm trying to say i don't0:01:42 know exactly what he said what people0:01:44 are saying is you know the0:01:45 the harappa is not divine as in he has0:01:48 some0:01:49 allegedly he has some issue with what is0:01:52 what is not divine0:01:53 so the the the0:01:56 and you know the recitation it appears0:01:58 in terms of0:02:00 you know the how you recite the quran0:02:02 these mechanisms or how you've assembled0:02:04 so basically he put doubt in the0:02:13 we discussed that at the beginning but i0:02:15 did not stress it maybe at the festival0:02:17 maybe we should have an intervening0:02:19 halacha in this issue maybe we'll do0:02:20 this helicopter this way today0:02:22 it is uh since we are recording we shall0:02:24 go ahead with that okay first of all uh0:02:28 i think i hinted that maybe i did not0:02:30 see it very sharply and and and0:02:33 offensively let us say0:02:35 in the first half or the first few0:02:36 halaquahs which we discuss the0:02:38 recordation of the quran0:02:39 is the quran is0:02:41 as0:02:42 uh is a written revelation0:02:45 and the evidence for that is clear it is0:02:47 uh0:02:54 tablet is usually where you write things0:02:57 and also the first revelation which is0:03:00 obviously these are hadith i don't think0:03:02 if they are muted water but it seems to0:03:03 be there is no other narration which is0:03:05 contradicting that0:03:07 which is also corroborated with the0:03:09 first revelation which is the first few0:03:11 eyes of surat0:03:16 and that one came the first time0:03:18 uh he0:03:19 he0:03:20 showed the messenger0:03:24 a parchment or a sahifa or a scroll or0:03:27 whatever it is something in which0:03:28 something is written0:03:29 and ask him read so he's pointing0:03:32 something written0:03:34 yeah0:03:35 read0:03:36 he did not prompt him said he read0:03:38 something i say repeat after me or0:03:40 do recite0:03:42 otherwise if i tell you i said this for0:03:45 say subhanallah will say then you say0:03:47 then it will be saved not read0:03:49 so he offered something in writing read0:03:52 and the messenger said i'm not a reader0:03:54 i'm a letter i can't read0:03:56 and then he squishes squeeze him as0:03:58 relation goes and said read0:04:01 and the third time and then he said then0:04:05 was shivering of fear and we know that0:04:08 the rest of the story0:04:11 two comments0:04:12 this is clear from this and also the0:04:14 wording of the ayah so i say this is a0:04:16 hadith and there's no other narration0:04:18 except this one i think it's multiple0:04:19 narration but at the area correctly that0:04:22 it was it collapsed0:04:26 read meaning foreign something which is0:04:28 written in front of you0:04:30 and also the answer i am not a reader0:04:33 i am a literate i can't read anything i0:04:35 have not learned reading or writing so0:04:38 i'm going to read something you show me0:04:39 a punishment it has crippled i don't0:04:41 understand anything of it0:04:43 so that's it it's definitely a written0:04:45 revelation that's the fundamental one0:04:47 that's number one let me make a small0:04:49 comment0:04:50 i think i made it india but let me0:04:52 repeat it again here just for the0:04:53 benefit of english listener non-muslims0:04:55 and so on some egyptian christians say0:04:58 look how how how gentle the angels were0:05:01 broadcasting the news to mariam about0:05:04 the the0:05:05 the conception of nissan so on0:05:08 in his gentle way as well muhammad was0:05:10 treated harshly by0:05:11 jibril which indicated that must have0:05:13 been uh must have been some kind of a0:05:15 shaytan or a devil or something like0:05:17 that can't be look at the difference but0:05:19 uh i just wanted to make a small comment0:05:21 on that this is this is utter stupidity0:05:23 because0:05:24 uh mariam was giving a good news of0:05:26 conceiving a man of superior qualities0:05:30 barely available anyone in mankind like0:05:32 himself that's alisa that's a good news0:05:34 there's something to be jubilant about0:05:36 that and also the repercussions at least0:05:38 in the first phase will be very great0:05:40 becoming pregnant with them we get0:05:42 married all of these things so we have0:05:43 to give a gentle and nice independence0:05:46 with sabrina who said that to someone0:05:47 else0:05:48 but in the case gabriel himself when he0:05:50 comes to the message to the messengers0:05:52 he come always partially the place which0:05:55 is in the old testament where he comes0:05:56 to0:05:58 someone in a harsh way is0:06:00 go to the book of daniel you have an0:06:02 english one differently in front of you0:06:04 or at home go and read the whole thing0:06:07 usually he comes in you know shocking0:06:09 and harsh in harsh way this is the way0:06:11 he usually comes0:06:13 in the very house in shocking way even0:06:15 daniel fell in his face out of fear so0:06:18 just a small answer to this this0:06:20 question please0:06:21 wake up to the realities you don't know0:06:23 what you're talking about that's all0:06:25 what i'm saying0:06:26 just as i remember0:06:28 i am now today in a good mood0:06:30 i can do a bit of jokes0:06:32 so that's no no that's the real comes0:06:34 from here and the reason for that0:06:36 we don't know this is just let me say0:06:38 this is a hypothesis which is a mystic0:06:41 nature you feel that in your heart but0:06:42 you don't have really a full russian0:06:44 argument is that the way he comes this0:06:47 way in a shockingly shaking way is that0:06:49 the recipient will be shaken to his core0:06:53 and0:06:53 he cannot say this has must have been0:06:56 just just a fleeting thought or0:06:58 something that must be a very harsh0:07:00 reality my heart is beating up i'm0:07:03 shivering i'm running away and so on it0:07:05 is a reality it is not something0:07:07 something really extended0:07:09 shaking internally if you have a bad0:07:11 thought you get depressed you have a0:07:13 fleeting thought you have maybe daydream0:07:15 but it doesn't come like that that way0:07:18 yeah0:07:18 so that may be one of the reasons there0:07:20 are many other reasons it make a better0:07:22 impression on the mind and give you0:07:24 better uh0:07:25 a better better0:07:27 self perception or internal perception0:07:30 that this is a really external reality0:07:32 it's not your subconscious usually0:07:34 subconscious only in nightmares when you0:07:36 are sleeping0:07:37 but not otherwise0:07:40 it comes in in in that comes in that0:07:42 message comes we know the way you feel0:07:44 you are squeezed you feel someone is0:07:46 killing you you feel your head is cut0:07:48 but nobody come and give you a passion0:07:50 to say read and do this and tell you0:07:52 some some sensible words or something0:07:55 instruction that's not the way nightmare0:07:57 works nice america there is something0:07:58 terrifying you feel you are choking you0:08:00 feel out burning you feel someone has0:08:03 cut your legs you know you have0:08:05 experience nice nice so this way the way0:08:07 you really come so the recipient to0:08:09 recognize this must be absolutely from0:08:11 outside must be from some other source0:08:13 let me verify what is the source0:08:15 in the case of daniel is himself a0:08:17 prophet already and he has been elected0:08:19 as a prophet before that0:08:21 so he knows this is that angel0:08:23 in the case muhammad is not a prophet he0:08:25 has to verify it by self0:08:27 reflection and also by0:08:29 by discussing with khadija and obama0:08:32 achieving the highest level of certitude0:08:34 you can achieve which is both0:08:36 internal perception with external0:08:39 rational verification ah just leave that0:08:41 point the secondary let's go to the0:08:43 fundamental point0:08:45 now this is clear that it has been shown0:08:47 a punishment and also the quran says0:08:49 we call it kitab kitab is something0:08:51 written0:09:00 what is the exact meaning of that but0:09:02 it's clearly hinting it's something0:09:03 written and there are many narrations0:09:06 that is in heaven and so on that's0:09:09 maybe metaphorical we don't know so the0:09:11 original revelation is a written0:09:13 revelation0:09:15 now someone say0:09:17 the revelation came to an illiterate man0:09:20 how can he when the quran initially he0:09:23 dictated to the people and they write0:09:25 according to their0:09:26 best skills0:09:28 uh which they have which is a0:09:30 the so-called hijaz script0:09:33 uh at the time of0:09:34 makkah0:09:37 by the way this is also a misconception0:09:38 which many orientalists felt that they0:09:41 thought the original writing was goofy0:09:43 no kofi is a later one which is some0:09:45 people regarded as some nice calligraphy0:09:47 i myself regard coffee script as ugly0:09:50 but listen taste is a matter of dispute0:09:53 for me hijab script is much nicer it's0:09:55 more like like a beautiful nas0:09:57 which is the truth0:09:59 the reality historic reality is that0:10:01 the original writing which we know now0:10:03 from the parliament of berlin amazon and0:10:06 and many other sources must be a jazz0:10:08 script0:10:09 which is like which has developed into a0:10:11 nice nas recently like0:10:14 or the arabic tradition of microsoft and0:10:17 so on looks very similar0:10:20 later on there are many evidences which0:10:22 indicate that someone was at least0:10:24 sufficiently educated about the form of0:10:26 writing that he instructed them to write0:10:28 and what to write and what which0:10:29 punctuation they should use okay so this0:10:32 is0:10:32 the first fundamental one but0:10:34 independent of that0:10:37 they are0:10:38 redictated and they were there according0:10:41 to his pronunciation0:10:42 clearly0:10:44 there's another point which has been uh0:10:45 people discussing in history is that0:10:49 in most0:10:50 the fragments and also0:10:52 the full written document which we have0:10:54 in yemen which has come from that which0:10:56 has been by by uh0:10:58 by irradiation dating and so on uh uh0:11:01 proven to be from time over the lorries0:11:04 which is about 100 hijri so it's very0:11:06 very early but also the fragment of0:11:08 birmingham which is almost with0:11:09 certified not with0:11:11 dating wise must be written by a0:11:13 companion0:11:14 we have most letters0:11:17 not punctuated because the arabic0:11:19 letters they differ sometimes in shape0:11:21 by punctuation that's not the case in0:11:23 hebrew in arabic0:11:25 like for example the difference between0:11:29 it's the same shape0:11:30 but the ha is having no dot no no point0:11:33 no dot there's a dot not dotted0:11:36 is a dot on the top and the g mu dot in0:11:38 the bottom or in the inside the belly of0:11:40 the g0:11:42 it has benefited even without these dots0:11:47 some people0:11:50 speculated0:11:51 that as dotting has been added later0:11:53 because there have been a narration say0:11:55 the first one who dotted the quran is a0:11:57 hajj others say no no it has another0:12:00 tabula and so no no actually0:12:02 did some dotting all of this is a0:12:04 mistake because the dotting they meant0:12:05 is something else i will come to it0:12:07 but the dotting of of letters0:12:10 was available in arabic at that time but0:12:12 it seems to be0:12:14 the old evidence security because the0:12:16 fragment of birmingham for example have0:12:18 no thoughts0:12:20 and i think the one of0:12:22 sana'a the one0:12:24 which is a full quran complete nothing0:12:26 missing0:12:29 of a thousand parchments a thousand0:12:31 sheets0:12:32 plus0:12:33 uh it's not dotted if i'm not mistaken0:12:35 but it could be partly dotted i'm not0:12:37 sure0:12:39 that must have been left deliberately0:12:41 why some people say the arabic language0:12:42 did not have those that time but this is0:12:44 have been proven to be false how is it0:12:46 how we can prove that with absolutely0:12:48 certificate on two idea evidences one0:12:50 evidence is that a iraq has been found0:12:52 that there is someone inscribed0:12:55 that praising honorable making invoking0:12:59 mercy on on abu bakr and in and praising0:13:03 the style the wording of the writing is0:13:05 clearly0:13:06 indicative that it is written in the0:13:08 time obama0:13:10 died may allah did well and so on and0:13:13 now we have umar may allah support him0:13:16 or guide him or0:13:18 something like that meaning the one0:13:19 who's writing like describing the rock0:13:21 you know people go in holidays or in0:13:24 trouble and some people have that which0:13:25 is good it's good that allah is to get0:13:27 people to write something on the exam0:13:29 well she leaves many scripts cry0:13:31 many writing on walls on rocks on caves0:13:35 uh even the drawings on the caves of the0:13:37 which is not writing but a drawing on0:13:39 the caves of the cavemen0:13:41 twenty fifteen thousand years ago all of0:13:43 that is give us some some vision of0:13:46 history which is good that's some of the0:13:48 traces of history which allah0:13:50 instigated humans to still preserve0:13:52 history partly0:13:54 that that writing contains clearly0:13:57 letter dots0:13:58 than one having a dot and so on0:14:01 so the letters there are dot so at the0:14:03 time of omar0:14:05 who died 23 hedging0:14:08 the arabic letters have dots0:14:10 and this man have and you know he was0:14:12 described in a rock mostly using the0:14:14 chisel and things like that which is0:14:16 very troublesome but he even went to go0:14:18 through the pain to adopt things0:14:20 secondly we have a document which has0:14:21 been found the parchment a skin0:14:24 parchment0:14:25 and which one after the conquest from0:14:27 egypt0:14:28 when the roman did the counter attack0:14:29 but that's also in the time of warmer by0:14:31 the way0:14:33 from their context is clear from them0:14:36 the roman did a counter attack because0:14:37 it was back and forth for some time0:14:40 and the some parts of middle and the law0:14:43 middle uh egypt and maybe uh other egypt0:14:46 or the lower part of our egypt like0:14:48 south of over not cairo it was not kind0:14:51 of the time it was memphis and so on but0:14:52 south of that one of the villages which0:14:54 was conquered early and they agreed on0:14:56 jizya and things like that0:14:58 one one one uh one battalion of muslims0:15:02 uh they needed they they were short of0:15:04 over carrying animals or horses so he0:15:06 went to the the shifting of the village0:15:09 and made with him an agreement in0:15:11 writing an agreement is written both in0:15:12 arabic on one side and the other side in0:15:15 greek0:15:17 made him an agreement that we take from0:15:19 you from your horses now as we borrow0:15:22 because he has no right to take by force0:15:24 and that is there's absolutely no0:15:26 islamic law and islamic governance0:15:29 we take from you these horses0:15:31 we0:15:32 either we bring them back next year if0:15:34 until next year we cannot compensate you0:15:36 and bring you the horses0:15:38 their0:15:39 they force themselves for their value we0:15:41 will deduct them from the jizya of next0:15:43 year because the jesus is leaving the0:15:44 year by year0:15:46 and the agreement is written one side in0:15:48 arabic and the translation in greek0:15:50 the side in arabic0:15:52 is also dotted than one having a0:15:55 daughter and so on not this key0:15:57 not uh0:15:58 what they call the their classic marks0:16:00 no okay0:16:03 so so from these two evidences which are0:16:05 independent multiple corroborating0:16:07 absolutely and no way to falsify and the0:16:10 punishment can be tested also by0:16:11 radiation but also by the translation of0:16:13 the greek and the language of the greek0:16:15 and the historical and the reference of0:16:17 the date is internal evidence that0:16:19 external evidence we have absolute0:16:20 evidence that the arabic letters have0:16:22 been dotted so the ha and the0:16:25 they were distinguished by the arabs in0:16:26 mecca because it is impossible to0:16:28 envisage that within the time from0:16:30 makkah or medina until the time of um0:16:33 only ten years they have the the arabic0:16:35 letters having no doubt and suddenly the0:16:37 game dots that's that's irrational0:16:39 because the people who wrote that0:16:41 document in egypt the commander of this0:16:43 battalion and also the one who described0:16:45 the unknown man who described that on0:16:47 the rock0:16:48 they are certainly uh in the age of 250:16:51 30 we don't know that age but we can0:16:53 assume that so they are born the time of0:16:55 the revelation of the quran or even the0:16:57 uh they are maybe in the 40s 50s0:17:00 battalion commander should be maybe in0:17:02 30s 40s so he's definitely a companion0:17:05 almost definitely i think he's a0:17:06 companion almost certainly i think his0:17:08 name is mentioned there it's almost0:17:10 certainly a companion so he witnessed0:17:12 some time without issues so uh his most0:17:15 likely people usually they're reading0:17:17 about usually most of the time when they0:17:19 are kids and they're in their young0:17:20 years so already in the time of the0:17:22 national quran these dots the0:17:24 the dotting of the of the of the roof0:17:27 between ha ha0:17:29 noon and ba was known and ba0:17:32 in the oldest fragments it is only uh0:17:36 i think anabra they call it an umbra0:17:37 like like a small a small solution0:17:40 there's no dot at the top or bottom you0:17:42 can read it as a noun0:17:44 or0:17:44 if you have two dots below or the top or0:17:47 a third you have three intro0:17:49 now0:17:52 so this is the topic the real topic of0:17:54 the distinguishing letter0:17:56 etc0:17:59 now we can have two theories0:18:02 one of it is that0:18:04 let's assume it is a revelation let's0:18:07 say just make two hypothesis one quran0:18:09 is a revelation from the divine one it0:18:10 is not a revelation is envisioned by0:18:12 muhammad okay if said muhammad we don't0:18:14 know whether our head that is that's why0:18:17 the man is playing games or uh0:18:20 the people the companion are playing0:18:21 games but in even in that if it's a0:18:24 revelation then and this is he is0:18:26 ordered to tell his company to do that0:18:28 or the companion has been led to write0:18:30 it this way despite of that they have0:18:32 this nothing in the arabic letters that0:18:34 must be based on revelation either0:18:35 israelis instructing them or allah0:18:38 forcing them in that direction so we0:18:40 make this fundamental assumption it's a0:18:41 liberation then it is developed by allah0:18:44 let's look what what does this entail0:18:47 what what this hypothesis the assumption0:18:49 number one assumption is two assumptions0:18:51 there's no other assumption assumption0:18:53 number one0:18:55 it meaning it will open the door for0:18:57 various possible readings0:18:59 now let us see if you look at the quran0:19:02 you you undot it and read it you will0:19:05 see0:19:06 that you read it almost like what we0:19:08 have it now there is no other variation0:19:10 except in a few places0:19:11 like for example one of the most extreme0:19:14 places and for example the0:19:15 ayahuasca comes to you with a with a0:19:18 weather report then0:19:20 verify it0:19:22 find0:19:29 affirm yourself about his velocity0:19:32 and both if they're written without any0:19:33 dots0:19:34 they would be looking the same0:19:36 so in that case you can put in every0:19:38 other place if you put that just0:19:40 differently you will get something0:19:41 nonsensical arabic language0:19:44 in some places you may get two0:19:46 variations0:19:48 so0:19:48 someone could conclude because they0:19:50 study by revelation0:19:52 knowledge and he ordered this to be like0:19:54 that0:19:55 both both possibilities are intended0:19:58 to give0:19:59 two variations so both are revelations0:20:01 allah is capable0:20:03 by by definition by necessity0:20:11 and he ordered it to be written without0:20:13 any dots0:20:15 so any doting0:20:16 you can't try all possible doctors all0:20:18 would be nonsense you can accept these0:20:20 two fatah yano0:20:22 for evidence0:20:25 by meaning evidence meaning an0:20:27 independent evidence from his report0:20:29 to find affirmation that is reported0:20:32 again meaning finder0:20:33 so one addresses the side of the0:20:36 objective side you find the ability0:20:38 another so this is the objective side or0:20:40 find verification which satisfy you the0:20:42 psychological side0:20:44 two sides of the same reality0:20:46 the same in other places another place0:20:58 that's the writing0:21:08 i will check the various readings0:21:10 available if it is0:21:11 my my best guess that it's actually0:21:14 i will make you inheritance of the0:21:16 domain of the rebellious people which0:21:19 fits better the meaning but all three0:21:21 ones making sense once0:21:23 i will show you the country of the0:21:25 rebellious people so you can start doing0:21:28 the action necessary to take it over the0:21:30 summer0:21:31 another one is0:21:32 the wall will become non-silent half0:21:34 make it silent in the house reading0:21:36 you'll find the circle on top of the0:21:38 world0:21:39 added later by the latest cry at the0:21:41 later scholars to represent the half0:21:43 reading because that law is not it's not0:21:45 pronounced in house0:21:51 meaning i make it apparent to you0:21:53 and the third one which is i have to0:21:55 check if there's any reading0:21:57 known in history0:21:58 it could be there's no reading it would0:22:00 be done a singular reading really in0:22:02 according to the classic definition but0:22:06 that's all of them if you take all the0:22:08 dots they will fit and including making0:22:10 the y silent or not silent the world0:22:13 so i will make you inheritance but0:22:14 there's no other ways except this thing0:22:17 and all of them make good sense although0:22:19 my feeling is that or if it will make0:22:20 the best sense but0:22:22 that's my feeling that's nothing0:22:24 scholarly really sound and well0:22:26 established more than that just a favor0:22:28 so this is uh the dots yeah0:22:32 these are the dots0:22:34 the letter dots or the character0:22:38 dots like that dot the dot of the eye0:22:41 in english we have which letter dot i0:22:44 and the g the small j is having a dot0:22:47 the small i is having a dot yeah what0:22:49 else0:22:52 that's it is there's anything having a0:22:54 dot in english standard english0:22:56 we don't have we have other like like a0:22:59 circle or kringle uh in the case of a0:23:01 scandinavian language like angstrom0:23:04 which is this circle on top of it which0:23:06 is used to describe used also in in0:23:09 physics to describe this small atomic0:23:12 length they use an a with a circle0:23:14 tablet angstrom or something right but0:23:16 this is let's stick to english english i0:23:18 think it started latin is having0:23:25 by the way in latin i think v and u are0:23:27 very difficult to distinguish somehow i0:23:29 don't know if that's because the old0:23:31 inscription of rocks are difficult to0:23:33 distinguish or it is genuine if anyone's0:23:36 familiar with latin or can't check that0:23:37 for us check it but it seems to me they0:23:40 they don't make a distinction between v0:23:42 and u0:23:43 in latin0:23:45 okay0:23:46 so so that's that's available only so0:23:49 some language they have something0:23:50 everyone does not have any daughter any0:23:52 dots in in their letters whatever0:23:55 so that's the issue of dots so that i0:23:57 would say this0:23:58 if the other hypothesis we don't need to0:24:00 bother about that because this the other0:24:02 hypothesis is not from allah this will0:24:05 contradict obviously the other evidences0:24:06 of prophethood is actually contradicts0:24:09 the face hypothesis because the first0:24:10 hypothesis works out that every dotting0:24:12 we do is either becoming nonsense0:24:16 or give some sensible reading like in0:24:19 the case0:24:22 okay so that's we finish with that part0:24:25 so the the fiction that the arabic0:24:27 letters did not have these the days the0:24:29 arabs did not at the time at least the0:24:30 vision for quran did not make a0:24:31 distinction between ha jim and kha for0:24:34 example0:24:36 and yeah all of them are just0:24:38 anabra just take up0:24:41 is a fiction based on not knowing0:24:43 history probably and not understanding0:24:45 it probably and not doing a complete0:24:47 research and sometimes bad reports you0:24:49 remember when we discussed in the first0:24:51 few holocaust the reporting that usman0:24:54 is the one who collected the quran this0:24:55 is people trying to make forgive man0:24:57 virtuously he doesn't deserve and does0:24:59 it need0:25:01 actually the first collection was was a0:25:04 defense in in let's just say in an0:25:06 official master reference book was in0:25:08 the time of0:25:09 but even that this is not correct and we0:25:11 stressed that there had been0:25:13 the hand of the sahaba there was a a a0:25:15 must have at the house of the prophet0:25:17 and which was taken over by uthman0:25:21 and he was killing him with him until he0:25:23 died0:25:24 we have no uh0:25:26 reliable report that the flashlight0:25:28 because absolutely messenger of allah0:25:30 you have so many people who can write to0:25:32 you i am in he was appointed the0:25:34 governor over time i don't have anyone0:25:36 to write for me and i'm far away give me0:25:39 your most help your combat you0:25:44 so we can assume safely that even a0:25:46 replacement was written for the0:25:47 professor0:25:48 it's no problem for him to the right one0:25:50 so there was one0:25:52 there was one0:25:54 there the only thing russia walker did0:25:57 is that all these wasabi have been cross0:26:00 referenced together and one master kobi0:26:03 this may hint that the muslim the copy0:26:06 of the prophet sallam which could have0:26:07 been a master one i0:26:11 most likely was not replaced because he0:26:13 took it in the tenth year and then the0:26:15 varsity was busy with other things with0:26:17 everybody for hajj was0:26:19 sending the final campaign to the battle0:26:21 or0:26:22 led by alibnadi0:26:25 with all these things maybe he did not0:26:28 uh focus on that because0:26:30 enough is there the copy of this0:26:32 the coffee of away in the cab copy of0:26:34 many others i have not many not hundreds0:26:37 but few times and that's enough they0:26:39 have sufficient many copies and all of0:26:41 them are certified and read to him and0:26:43 he verified them so0:26:45 it's enough so maybe he did not0:26:49 whatever it is0:26:50 he did or he did not any other rama0:26:53 decided to have one master kobe which is0:26:56 should be saved in the house of the0:26:57 prophet and0:26:59 we will discuss why it was saved by0:27:00 hassan not having any buddhism but0:27:02 because i think hubsa was the only one0:27:04 who was mastering reading and writing0:27:06 so it doesn't make any sense to keep a0:27:09 copy so people can copy from it or she0:27:11 can read to be able to dictate to them0:27:13 unless0:27:14 one of the wives is is is first class0:27:17 reader and writer and it's the only one0:27:19 was hafsah that's the reason that's0:27:20 nothing neighborism or any religious0:27:23 standing if it would have been any place0:27:25 of standing reality in the good relation0:27:27 to the prophet it would have been0:27:29 salam and not but neither of these two0:27:31 seem to be0:27:33 literally so0:27:34 that's that's uh so this is the fiction0:27:36 which people have because they did not0:27:38 scrutinize all the reports and the very0:27:41 generations which because0:27:43 even in that case i would say the people0:27:45 are more guilty than in the issue of0:27:47 doting right i feel that you can't call0:27:49 them guilty because the available0:27:51 information is very deep and far away0:27:53 but in that case actually the the son of0:27:56 abu dawud0:27:58 has collected a book called0:28:00 which collected all these narrations so0:28:01 you cannot say the nation are scattered0:28:03 all over the places0:28:10 here very difficult to have them in one0:28:12 place there is a book there but it0:28:14 seemed to be unfortunately this book has0:28:17 not find that much attention and nobody0:28:20 attended to it as it should be0:28:22 otherwise nobody would have come to the0:28:24 stupid idea that at the time of prophet0:28:26 there was no messiah it was only0:28:29 camel shoulders0:28:31 and pieces of rocks and things like that0:28:34 this nonsense should disappear now0:28:35 completely from history we have not0:28:37 enough information we have scrutinized0:28:39 history that they should be clear there0:28:41 will be enough muslim and enough0:28:42 formalizer0:28:44 okay and we have to read also the story0:28:46 about the the initial writing of the0:28:48 master kobe who shows that0:28:50 we have to read it with between the line0:28:52 what is the meaning what is yours then0:28:54 as i said i am more inclined to believe0:28:57 that because the master kobe kept at the0:29:00 house of the world salaam was taken by0:29:01 israel0:29:03 and life0:29:05 after after uh0:29:07 is obviously not a quran0:29:10 nor he is his memorizer he was not0:29:12 attending daily to the prophet as we0:29:13 know what he's admitted himself and he0:29:16 does abu bakr to have a master copy and0:29:18 the worker who is relying on these0:29:20 copies everywhere we say no no we have0:29:21 to have one in the center of this we0:29:23 should take a0:29:24 sound and good and solid idea and0:29:26 ultimately what was persuaded which is0:29:28 an excellent idea indeed and they wrote0:29:30 the copy and they wrote a copy from the0:29:32 uh it is a copy from the copy of but0:29:34 they did a further stable verification0:29:36 they wrote it out and repeat that again0:29:38 they fit with the copy of0:29:40 the cab from the his copy present in his0:29:42 hand plus his memory and he's the number0:29:45 one without in doubt secondly the copy0:29:47 of uh0:29:49 of the uh zade as a zedimite habit0:29:52 and0:29:59 and then they asked everyone to bring0:30:01 what they have so they have both their0:30:03 memories0:30:04 both their hobbies0:30:06 and0:30:07 ask for two more witnesses in addition0:30:10 for every bit and peace0:30:12 for every bit and peace0:30:16 so that so so that's it so we have we0:30:18 have we have uh and and these bits and0:30:20 pieces most likely were complete copies0:30:22 of quran that you would have but also0:30:24 some people have it in in their own0:30:25 original punishment they brought even0:30:27 their original parchments the people who0:30:29 have kept original punishment and0:30:30 project and since we are talking about0:30:32 the time of year of abu bakr0:30:35 it means that we have essentially0:30:37 parchment and0:30:39 it's unlikely that late in medina0:30:42 and0:30:43 obviously all the0:30:44 quran the immediate quran has been0:30:46 already transferred into parchments and0:30:49 maybe0:30:49 we're in bound together in the way the0:30:52 lawyers have been bound in time past by0:30:54 making the trend and so on so it's0:30:55 already in messiah four so uh0:30:58 the0:31:00 the narration say they collect their0:31:01 people came with what they have from0:31:04 parchments or from from scrolls and from0:31:07 from uh0:31:08 from tablets from uh0:31:11 from0:31:12 shoulders from things like that0:31:14 that's the narrator from his imagination0:31:16 he thinking is getting whatever they0:31:18 have in their head i don't think the the0:31:20 the tablets and the other rocks and the0:31:22 pieces of rocks and things that what0:31:24 they're using in mecca in medina i think0:31:26 they all have been transcribed in0:31:28 complete assay before that long ago or0:31:30 in parchment and they have enough waste0:31:32 and money before uh two or three years0:31:34 before the death of it that they will be0:31:36 able to afford to have everything in in0:31:39 yemeni0:31:40 very nice smooth punishment it couldn't0:31:42 be possibly that rock starting there but0:31:44 the narrator0:31:47 and then he added from his imagination0:31:49 all of these other things which were0:31:51 gone already long ago because the quran0:31:53 was combined according to the narration0:31:55 of abdullah ibn abdullah in the house he0:31:57 said we were sitting on this right there0:31:59 this is this is a casual narration has0:32:01 nothing to do with the combination of0:32:02 the quran but someone asked him0:32:05 uh0:32:05 we know that0:32:07 ultimately both that are both the two0:32:09 cities uh constantinople and the roman0:32:12 rome will be conquered but which one0:32:14 will be conquered faced and say oh let0:32:16 me see we were sitting at them uh0:32:19 let me bring my my my own records his0:32:21 echoes were in in0:32:22 he brought a box which has which has0:32:25 locks and so on he opened the lock said0:32:27 this is this is what i wrote in when we0:32:29 were present0:32:30 we were sitting on the messenger of0:32:31 allah0:32:32 combining the quran0:32:36 quran so they have special sessions to0:32:38 comprise0:32:41 from various parchments and and0:32:43 documents we bring it together in one in0:32:46 one master place0:32:47 and one master combination i said from0:32:50 different notes which the moment of0:32:52 revelation have been dictated whoever0:32:54 presented that place we bring it down0:32:57 and put it in one one masterpiece0:32:59 combining the quran0:33:01 and then he mentioned the story that uh0:33:03 constructed nobody we conquered first0:33:04 before but this is not an issue today0:33:06 for us0:33:08 and there's another relationship about0:33:09 combination of the quran so the0:33:10 composition of quran is being0:33:12 continuously done0:33:14 and abdullah bibulus was attending to0:33:16 this session continuously and most0:33:18 almost certainly he has also is also0:33:20 memorized0:33:22 also0:33:29 huge numbers of people present as well0:33:32 so so that's that that that's it0:33:35 so i would say0:33:37 these fictions should be should be0:33:39 swept away we should sweep these0:33:41 fictions from the table about about the0:33:43 combination of the quran0:33:45 forget about them and forget about all0:33:47 these these zigzag0:33:49 claims of history sometimes motivated by0:33:51 attributing some virtues or atmospheric0:33:54 to him sometimes even even the story0:33:57 that that uh0:33:59 that the greatest agile for muslim0:34:01 belongs to abu bakr because because it0:34:03 happens in his time as narrated by zen0:34:05 without even that we should gloss over0:34:07 forget about that is it abu bakr water0:34:10 they were enough0:34:12 and enough master references and0:34:14 absolute certificate even the time of0:34:16 the prophet0:34:17 and this is there should be no doubt0:34:19 about this is historic fact now we0:34:21 should regard that as absolutely0:34:22 established0:34:24 and the dots the dotting although we0:34:26 rely on these two documents but also0:34:27 necessary reason0:34:29 must have been there and if it is not in0:34:31 the initial mosaid then it must have0:34:33 been0:34:35 uh0:34:36 avoided or ordered not to put there0:34:39 deliberately0:34:40 and it's only0:34:42 actually someone could say this is a one0:34:44 aspect of the miraculous nation of the0:34:46 quran because if muhammad is being let0:34:48 us say0:34:50 an imposter0:34:51 either he is deliberately what nobody0:34:54 says in the world because all his life0:34:56 and so show that he was absolutely0:34:58 convinced about his own prophethood yes0:35:01 but subconsciously he's overtaken by0:35:04 by by by a deep psychological motivation0:35:07 and thinking really that he's a prophet0:35:09 which is not in that case question what0:35:12 motivates someone0:35:14 to order the people0:35:16 for his master text to not to vote at0:35:19 the dots there's no no no no no no no0:35:23 evidence rational reason for that look0:35:24 at it analyze it's just right0:35:27 you are writing a book0:35:29 and your regard is your life work the0:35:31 most important thing you have brought0:35:33 that the peak of your own life0:35:36 and then you go there and then0:35:37 deliberately mutilate some letters0:35:40 unless you want to make a0:35:41 cipher or code something like that like0:35:43 that famous book which nobody has0:35:45 decoded until now0:35:47 otherwise0:35:48 why should you remove the dots why you0:35:50 should0:35:52 make make various letters confusing0:35:55 and as a human being usually you have0:35:56 some only one word or two words in your0:35:59 mind why you remove those which make it0:36:01 uh0:36:02 understandable0:36:05 but there's there's nothing really in0:36:06 the subconscious or in the normal human0:36:09 experience which which indicate and we0:36:11 have nowhere in human experience0:36:13 anything like that except we haven't0:36:15 said some writing underground writings0:36:18 even from pharaoh times we should think0:36:19 some any kind of code language because0:36:21 it's most likely an underground group0:36:23 which rebellious against the pharaoh or0:36:25 we have this man for whatever0:36:28 psychological reason writing a complete0:36:30 book0:36:31 in a code which nobody has disabled0:36:32 until now you can't find this in the0:36:35 youtube0:36:36 nobody knows what how to decipher that0:36:38 book until now or0:36:40 there's some uh feminist movement0:36:43 ancient feminist chinese movement and0:36:45 they invented another0:36:47 writing0:36:48 which i think is being decoded but the0:36:51 people regarded as a low class0:36:54 chinese writing or something like that0:36:56 that's all0:36:58 we don't have any experience like that0:36:59 someone remove essential parts of of the0:37:02 dotting especially in the arabic0:37:04 language the dots between ha ha g mason0:37:06 is essential0:37:08 okay i think this is this is maybe i i0:37:11 would say this should be counted as0:37:14 really a strong hint for the miraculous0:37:16 nation corroborating the0:37:18 initial assumption that's a divine0:37:20 revelation so the divine is saying i0:37:22 make it so0:37:24 that i intend all these meaning which if0:37:27 you put the dots makes sense and the one0:37:29 who brings you variations you see it as0:37:31 gibberish it's not arabic language it's0:37:33 nothing0:37:49 read it or one or two of the if there0:37:51 are two or three possibilities you will0:37:52 need one of them0:37:54 that's all what happens okay so that's0:37:56 concerning that that this is this0:37:58 important part0:38:00 and also concerning the confession0:38:11 okay is that clear so that's it i think0:38:13 this is a supportive evidence that the0:38:15 initial hypothesis that says revelation0:38:17 it supports that rather than0:38:19 if it's the other one is irrelevant what0:38:21 it has been but it is a question0:38:24 how come0:38:25 what motivates someone0:38:27 of your subconscious record if0:38:28 consciously is out of question because0:38:30 we know this man there's no doubt now0:38:33 nobody ever0:38:35 of any sound mind or no of history claim0:38:37 that he is deliberately dying and know0:38:39 that he's0:38:40 yes that's gone0:38:42 even even the latest christian0:38:45 missionary claimed that he was where he0:38:48 received revelation from the devil so he0:38:50 is not from him it's from the devil but0:38:52 whatever it is0:38:54 from him from the devil0:38:57 from the divine yes the divine can make0:38:59 that as an evidence that's for me see0:39:01 that i can0:39:03 order that to be removed the dots and0:39:05 still if you dotted any way either you0:39:07 get something0:39:08 sensible and making sense and fits in0:39:10 the meaning and give extra meaning and0:39:12 at further aspects of the meaning or it0:39:14 gives gibberish0:39:16 and this is within with well within the0:39:18 divine capability so i would say these0:39:21 these punctuation are dotted which are0:39:23 essential part of the character0:39:25 drawing0:39:27 uh the omitting them in in the case of0:39:29 the ea they call us which is almost0:39:31 certainly the case0:39:33 according to all pastors we have from0:39:35 illidans uh these are that's0:39:39 more supportive it's not absolute0:39:41 evidence but is the more supportive for0:39:43 the divine origin of the quran than the0:39:45 opposite0:39:47 and i know about some people we became0:39:48 doubtful0:39:50 doubter because of that because they did0:39:51 not look at the mother from all their0:39:53 aspects they look enter in and0:39:56 if it's from god it should be clearly0:39:57 totally like us why god is capable of0:40:00 giving various options and various0:40:01 things and intending all of them0:40:04 human beings are not so if you think it0:40:06 must have been like that that's because0:40:08 you will hear my limitation try to get0:40:10 out of them and they say is it possible0:40:12 for the divine to listen this that is0:40:14 yes it's possible and if it makes sense0:40:16 obviously it's clearly here it makes0:40:17 sense in every situation you can't go in0:40:19 what's up you you you do nothing for0:40:22 example go for example what's happening0:40:24 in morocco now they ride the calf0:40:28 all the east and the oldest arabic world0:40:30 they have the calf with two dots in the0:40:32 top0:40:32 in morocco there are a dot in the top of0:40:34 the two dots but one in the top one at0:40:36 the bottom if you read it at the first0:40:38 you don't notice you read the problem0:40:40 you have no problem with seeing it as a0:40:42 cough0:40:45 then you notice my goodness welcome that0:40:48 ah this is the moroccan way of writing0:40:49 cough0:40:50 the far west way of writing the cuff0:40:52 with dot above and dot below0:40:55 no problem two dots0:40:56 is definitely from the0:40:58 chain different from the far and also0:41:00 the shape is slightly different because0:41:02 of calligraphy and so five feathers0:41:04 occasion but0:41:16 otherwise0:41:22 0:41:31 0:41:59 is0:42:02 0:42:19 so0:42:22 0:42:32 you