2 CHRISTIANS DENOUNCE TRINITY IN GHANA (2018-12-03) #

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0:00:09 authorities I'm maxed out and your name
0:00:19 Tafari now a burger so you asked me a
0:00:22 question about Trinity something yeah
0:00:23 you're a Muslim and I'm a Christian so
0:00:27 in your tribe do you have anything
0:00:30 related with the Christian Trinity
0:00:32 alright so we as Muslims yeah let me
0:00:34 tell you what we believe in now we
0:00:37 believe that God is one we believe that
0:00:39 he's the ultimate creator Allah is the
0:00:43 same God we believe that abraham
0:00:45 believed in that Moses believed in that
0:00:47 Jesus believed him same good you know
0:00:49 when for example Moses was praying
0:00:51 Abraham was praying Jesus was praying in
0:00:52 the book and for example the Garden of
0:00:54 Gethsemane he fell on his face and he
0:00:56 prayed we believe he was praying to the
0:00:58 same God we believe in yeah there's no
0:01:00 different God it's the same the creator
0:01:02 of the heavens and the earth yeah in
0:01:06 Christianity we know the change is God
0:01:09 the Father God the Son God the Holy
0:01:12 Spirit
0:01:13 so you mean in your tribe these three
0:01:16 things are one so we for us we don't
0:01:19 believe that we believe that God is one
0:01:21 the Holy Spirit is not God and Jesus is
0:01:24 not good so we say Jesus never claimed
0:01:26 to be God the Holy Spirit never claims
0:01:29 to be God and it doesn't make sense for
0:01:32 there to be father as God and the son
0:01:34 has gotten Holy Spirit is God yet
0:01:36 there's one God that's three gods we say
0:01:38 that that's logically impossible you see
0:01:40 what I'm saying also it doesn't make
0:01:42 sense for us to say that Jesus 100% man
0:01:45 and 100% God we say that how does it how
0:01:49 can he be a hundred percent man and a
0:01:51 hundred percent for example Jesus he was
0:01:52 II he was thirsty in the Bible he went
0:01:55 to the fig tree he didn't know that it
0:01:56 was producing he said where's the
0:01:58 where's the FIGS didn't know where the
0:02:00 figs were so he had he says in the book
0:02:02 of Martin mark chapter 13 verse 39 he
0:02:04 says that no one knows the hour except
0:02:06 for who
0:02:07 the father only the father but the Holy
0:02:09 Spirit didn't know the hour and Jesus
0:02:10 didn't not know the hour but if he was
0:02:13 God then he knew everything that how
0:02:14 comes he does not know the hour just who
0:02:16 I'm saying so we're saying that God is
0:02:18 all-knowing all-powerful all strong he's
0:02:21 the beginning he is he doesn't end this
0:02:24 is good and so if Jesus was God he has
0:02:27 to have the same attributes but in the
0:02:29 Bible we find that he doesn't have those
0:02:31 attributes they all say okay but hold on
0:02:34 Jesus was 100% man 100% God we say
0:02:37 that's a contradiction you can't be a
0:02:39 hundred percent man and 100 percent good
0:02:40 yeah so we say that this whole idea of
0:02:43 the Trinity is not even mentioned it's
0:02:45 not mentioned in the Bible properly yeah
0:02:48 so I just need your final conclusion you
0:02:52 mean God is a spirit we say God we don't
0:02:56 call him a spirit we just say is the
0:02:57 most powerful or creator the the
0:03:00 all-powerful creator that knows all and
0:03:03 and is the creator of the heavens and
0:03:05 the earth
0:03:05 yeah and everything goes back to him
0:03:07 everything goes back to him he is
0:03:10 everything is submissive to him
0:03:11 he's the most powerful one now the thing
0:03:13 is not there's two differences between
0:03:14 Christianity and Islam one difference is
0:03:17 the Trinity so we don't believe in the
0:03:19 Trinity but we do believe in Jesus we
0:03:21 say he was the Messiah was the question
0:03:23 now yeah yeah so we believe that he was
0:03:25 a messiah
0:03:26 yes he was the Messiah yeah now we don't
0:03:29 say it was God son because the Bible
0:03:31 says blessed be the peacemakers for they
0:03:33 shall be called the sons of God and the
0:03:36 Bible also said to David today you're my
0:03:39 son today I have begotten you the same
0:03:41 thing that he said to Jesus because if
0:03:43 you ask a Christian if we're all God's
0:03:44 children what's the difference between
0:03:45 me and Jesus now and then he will say
0:03:47 look he's begotten and not made yeah I
0:03:51 have the question yeah if you believe in
0:03:54 Jesus why do you still pray to mom we
0:03:59 don't pray to Muhammad
0:04:00 okay now so Mohammed for us is a prophet
0:04:04 and messenger just like Jesus so Jesus
0:04:06 was the messenger prophet Messiah like
0:04:09 the Bible says he was a messenger he
0:04:11 says he was a prophet preach teachings
0:04:20 just like we follow Jesus his teachings
0:04:22 so for us we say that the message didn't
0:04:25 stop with Jesus because Jesus says have
0:04:28 many things to say unto you but you
0:04:29 cannot bear them now he talks about
0:04:30 someone in the future coming and the
0:04:32 Bible also says in the Book of Isaiah 42
0:04:34 it says there'll be a messenger that
0:04:36 will come in the air to the Arabs and
0:04:38 people of Kedar and so who was this
0:04:41 message that came to the people of kada
0:04:42 we say it was perform a hammer so he was
0:04:45 continuing on from what jesus said he
0:04:47 didn't say Jesus was a liar
0:04:48 no Jesus was a truthful man he spoke the
0:04:50 truth who believed in Jesus who was the
0:04:52 messenger was the Messiah we believe
0:04:54 that he cured the dead with God
0:04:55 permission that he raised it so he
0:04:56 raised the dead we've got a heal a cured
0:04:58 the blow of God's permission that he was
0:05:00 conceived immaculately from Mary who
0:05:02 believed in all of that but we just
0:05:04 don't believe that he was God or that he
0:05:06 was the son of God yeah he wasn't the
0:05:11 son of God in a physical way because we
0:05:13 say human beings have the children but
0:05:15 God doesn't have physical children so
0:05:17 the Bible makes it clear that the word
0:05:19 son is metaphor it just means like it's
0:05:22 not real it's not physical like you
0:05:23 don't have a wife or something
0:05:27 don't you think this is special son
0:05:29 because the day you was born doors doors
0:05:35 have bright this dog like doors in Vegas
0:05:37 that lid three wise man's where he was
0:05:40 born and before he was born a prophecy
0:05:45 was already made we believe you a
0:05:47 special we agree that he was a special
0:05:49 man one of the most special men in the
0:05:51 whole of history we agree just like
0:05:53 Abraham was a special man and just like
0:05:55 Moses was a special man the story of the
0:05:57 wise men only appears with one of the
0:05:59 Gospels
0:05:59 some say they cast aspersions on it but
0:06:02 we don't to go into that yeah the story
0:06:04 of the three wise men some say it was
0:06:05 taken from preliterate items or whatever
0:06:07 what to get about that yeah the point is
0:06:09 yes we agree that he was a special man
0:06:13 he was the Messiah he was a messenger so
0:06:16 does this make sense yeah so really
0:06:19 there's not much difference between if
0:06:20 we agree there really you're more like
0:06:22 Muslim because if you don't believe in
0:06:33 the Trinity if you eat you can't be a
0:06:36 Christian and not believe in the Trinity
0:06:38 but really and truly I think both of you
0:06:40 deep down you don't believe in the
0:06:42 Trinity because if so if I were to ask
0:06:44 you how can you have the father is God
0:06:46 the Son is God Holy Spirit is God yet
0:06:48 there's one God you'll say no I can't
0:06:50 explain I asked you cuss in the Bible
0:06:55 they said God is the word is the word
0:06:59 it's a powerful word meaning he's not a
0:07:02 human he's his period yes yes yeah so if
0:07:08 he said God is know you were saying
0:07:13 something you said Allah is a spirit I
0:07:16 said we don't we don't call him a spirit
0:07:18 we don't that's not a name that he
0:07:20 refers to himself as even in the Old
0:07:22 Testament it doesn't refer to himself as
0:07:23 the spirit
0:07:24 so in the quran does it say Allah is a
0:07:29 word
0:07:30 what does is here so Allah you know and
0:07:33 Jesus he said why have you forsaken me
0:07:36 the Aramaic was Eloi Eloi Lema
0:07:38 sabachthani yeah he said this one he was
0:07:40 on the cross apparently we don't believe
0:07:42 he was crucified or killed by the way we
0:07:43 believe God raised him like the Bible
0:07:45 says he was ascended to God he rescued
0:07:47 him but Eli the word Allah and Aramaic
0:07:50 is the same as the word Allah in Arabic
0:07:53 why don't you know him you know him in
0:07:56 the in the Old Testament okay it's like
0:07:58 Allah yeah okay yeah why don't you guys
0:08:00 believe that he was crucified
0:08:02 so we yeah we say that he got rescued
0:08:05 him because remember if you look in the
0:08:07 New Testament it says take this cup away
0:08:09 from me take this cup away from me Jesus
0:08:11 didn't want to be crucified in the New
0:08:13 Testament he was asking to be redeemed
0:08:15 so we say that God rescued him and
0:08:17 that's why in some of the Gospel
0:08:19 accounts he in fact all of the Gospels
0:08:21 say if not three of them three or four
0:08:24 say he ascended said so we believe you
0:08:27 know how he ascended he was risen we
0:08:29 said and he was risen to the right hand
0:08:31 of God we believe in that we believe
0:08:32 Jesus ascended but he didn't come back
0:08:34 down so we have that narrative we don't
0:08:36 say that how can God die anyways think
0:08:38 about that if God died okay God who's
0:08:40 gonna be the creator of the heavens and
0:08:42 who's going to maintain the universe if
0:08:44 that happened you get it so we said
0:08:46 anything happen like that
0:08:47 God didn't die God cannot die because
0:08:49 God is not a man like the Old Testament
0:08:50 says you see what I'm saying how can God
0:08:53 be a man and I go to the toilet in fluid
0:08:55 all of this we say it's not possible
0:08:56 yeah
0:09:01 now I don't believe God can eat food and
0:09:07 yeah so the question if you don't
0:09:09 believe that God can't you food and die
0:09:10 then you once again this you believe in
0:09:13 what I believe you go down saying you
0:09:15 are Muslim in a way now I'm not fully
0:09:17 Muslim yet because you haven't done that
0:09:18 you had a but you have in this aspect
0:09:21 you're closer to Islam then you ask
0:09:23 Christianity because the Christian would
0:09:24 maintain that God Jesus 100% man 100%
0:09:28 God he ate food he died
0:09:30 everything he was risen a third day
0:09:32 everything we say no it's not he didn't
0:09:35 eat food and died and these things you
0:09:36 get it
0:09:37 so really the reason why prophet
0:09:39 muhammad came was to fix because let me
0:09:40 tell you the truth the questions where
0:09:42 did the trinity come from yeah if it
0:09:45 didn't come from the Bible because
0:09:46 there's no verse in the Bible which
0:09:47 tells us the father is God the Son is
0:09:49 God the Holy Spirit is God co-equal Co
0:09:51 eternal independent doesn't say that I
0:09:53 do understand you but it the prophecy
0:09:56 also said he will change the world and
0:09:59 you can go through the Father without
0:10:03 passing through the son after I want to
0:10:06 explain something in this way yeah okay
0:10:09 Jesus cried brought the grace to Rome
0:10:13 Greece yes grace a grace to let's say we
0:10:18 please the ten commandments because both
0:10:22 of us we do know we we couldn't obey the
0:10:26 temple so he came down to make it simple
0:10:29 but the thing is when he was the Jewish
0:10:32 man came to him yeah Jewish might be a
0:10:34 book of Mark chapter 12 verse 29
0:10:36 yeah check it out but you think I'm
0:10:37 lying book of Mark chapter 12 verse 29
0:10:40 Jewish man came to him he said I want
0:10:42 salvation I want to be saved
0:10:44 What did he say terms I'm gonna replace
0:10:46 the commandments he said no he said
0:10:48 follow the commandments he said follow
0:10:51 the commandments what's the first
0:10:52 commandment believe in one God he didn't
0:10:54 say believe in father is God the Son is
0:10:56 God the Holy Spirit is God What did he
0:10:58 say he said believe in one God you know
0:11:01 that's the commandment so we're saying
0:11:03 go back to the commandments because
0:11:04 that's what Jesus if he was here now
0:11:05 yeah if he was with us and it's more an
0:11:07 octorok if you asked him the same
0:11:09 question yeah he will say to you the
0:11:11 same answer he said she the same answer
0:11:13 that he told that Jewish man he said
0:11:14 follow the commandments
0:11:15 and you say to him social I believe in
0:11:17 the Father Son Holy Spirit I said no
0:11:19 just follow the commandments because
0:11:20 that's what he said to that Jewish man
0:11:22 in the Bible it's in the Bible so that's
0:11:24 where this agreement think about it well
0:11:27 thank you thank you anytime you got your
0:11:42 phone you take all the references