Shocking Oppression on Uygurs Exposed (2021-09-07) ​

0:00:03 how are you guys doing i am joined with
0:00:05 a very very special guest that i'm not
0:00:06 talking about
0:00:08 he is very special but we're talking
0:00:09 about
0:00:11 who is the inspector general of the
0:00:13 world uighur congress assalamu
0:00:18 it's a pleasure to have you it's a it's
0:00:19 a real pleasure to have you finally i
0:00:21 mean we you know sabor has said some
0:00:23 really amazing things about you and we
0:00:24 know the work that you're doing in terms
0:00:26 of the activism and indeed the academia
0:00:28 i mean this is a book of yours isn't it
0:00:30 yes
0:00:31 i'm very honored uh to have this
0:00:33 opportunity especially my from my uh
0:00:36 brothers and sisters in face my own
0:00:39 religion
0:00:40 talking about their brothers and sisters
0:00:43 and the voiceless people right now in
0:00:45 concentration camp in china
0:00:47 where they have to denounce their
0:00:49 religion
0:00:50 the coffee of qurans were burnt the
0:00:53 mosque turned in the
0:00:55 uh
0:00:56 bars
0:00:57 and
0:00:58 they see islam religion as a illness
0:01:01 backwardness
0:01:02 and they want to the chinese communist
0:01:05 regime want to rewrite the quran openly
0:01:07 telling a chinese version of islam
0:01:11 and in this time
0:01:12 uh
0:01:13 to have you now in your show like your
0:01:16 brother
0:01:16 and it's very honor just for me like
0:01:20 uh who has uh doesn't know if
0:01:24 my father
0:01:25 mother or my sisters and the brother
0:01:27 alive or not almost four years
0:01:30 i'm not only one i'm one of the hundreds
0:01:33 uh thousands of weaker people around the
0:01:36 world in diaspora
0:01:38 we go in the bed you know without
0:01:40 knowing knowing our loved one is still
0:01:43 life or not our sister is raped or not
0:01:47 our children you know raising an
0:01:50 atheist system and these circumstances
0:01:53 uh we in diaspora so we were people left
0:01:56 alone
0:01:57 and uh we need you know like a like a
0:02:01 talk like this and that did give us you
0:02:03 know hope
0:02:04 and
0:02:05 uh
0:02:06 i'm very uh happy
0:02:08 to be with you thank you well i what you
0:02:10 just said there really struck a chord in
0:02:13 my heart because it was something i mean
0:02:15 we've heard this before with dr borhan
0:02:17 haven't we i know it's just so painful
0:02:19 to hear so it makes me
0:02:21 like the emotions it stirs within me
0:02:23 when someone says this to me is you feel
0:02:25 sad you feel sorry but then you feel so
0:02:26 angry as well don't you just knowing
0:02:28 that there are people out there
0:02:30 that are responsible for this kind of
0:02:31 thing yeah you know i want to ask you a
0:02:33 little bit more about your story
0:02:38 tell us you've just said something like
0:02:40 i've never heard from that many human
0:02:41 beings in the world
0:02:43 even in the worst most affected areas in
0:02:46 the world and i've been
0:02:47 to bad areas most badly affected areas
0:02:50 i've been to cox's bazar seen the the
0:02:52 rohingya i've seen people in outer
0:02:54 sub-saharan africa i've seen people in
0:02:56 the middle east i've seen it but
0:02:58 many people don't not many people have
0:03:00 the same kind of thing that they can
0:03:02 tell me that they don't know where their
0:03:04 family are still alive or not
0:03:06 when was the last time you spoke to your
0:03:08 parents
0:03:09 last time i spoke my mom 25th april
0:03:13 2017.
0:03:16 i have a open letter to my mom end of
0:03:19 this book
0:03:20 and
0:03:21 you know uh
0:03:23 what
0:03:24 every day uh if i pray whatever do i do
0:03:28 i i tell you know allah
0:03:39 have mercy on uh living on our debt yes
0:03:42 if they did allah bless them if they're
0:03:45 alive allah bless them that is the pray
0:03:49 right now you know
0:03:50 as we were muslim uh we are doing uh
0:03:54 right now and
0:03:56 i want to tell uh one simple story
0:04:01 the chinese communist regime
0:04:04 if they put
0:04:05 a person in concentration camp
0:04:08 this now because i interviewed some
0:04:11 campus survivor for this book they put
0:04:14 in this video continue this is a book
0:04:16 that you can get online yes uh it's in
0:04:18 amazon it's called menace
0:04:21 yes you get on amazon yes okay there is
0:04:24 a kindle version tour and
0:04:26 you can download worldwide and they if
0:04:29 they put in the jail first time they
0:04:30 tell them you know
0:04:32 they will
0:04:34 tell them you are here
0:04:36 nobodies no you are here
0:04:39 your relatives don't know you are here
0:04:42 even
0:04:44 your god doesn't know australia you are
0:04:47 here
0:04:48 if he knows
0:04:49 he should come
0:04:51 pick
0:04:52 you up
0:04:53 this is this is
0:04:55 this this attack is this they have no
0:04:57 idea
0:04:58 yeah they have no idea how that word
0:04:59 will come us to want them did they have
0:05:01 no idea how that word will come back to
0:05:03 haunt them that very word
0:05:05 yes it's it's comical that the the
0:05:07 atheism leads to them to this kind of
0:05:09 foolishness yes and sorry sorry to
0:05:11 interrupt you but i have to make a
0:05:12 comment about this really
0:05:14 it shows you
0:05:15 for those individuals who say that
0:05:19 atheism materialism all these kinds have
0:05:21 nothing to do
0:05:22 with
0:05:23 on the ground stuff these guys are
0:05:25 attacking religion
0:05:26 on on atheistic grounds your god doesn't
0:05:28 what have you got so why is he bringing
0:05:30 theology into this yeah absolutely as
0:05:32 you'll find in his book the
0:05:34 concentration camp survivors
0:05:36 give a detailed account what happens one
0:05:38 of the uh survivors uh sister zuma dawud
0:05:41 who uh i interviewed previously as well
0:05:44 she said on the first day when you're
0:05:46 there they teach you that there is no
0:05:47 allah like that's part of their
0:05:49 curriculum why is that why are they so
0:05:50 angry about the theology
0:05:53 well i just wanted to so in association
0:05:56 they have built these camps they've
0:05:57 built these concrete prisons they have
0:06:00 spent millions of pounds and they have
0:06:02 erected these structures in east
0:06:05 turkestan because the people refuse to
0:06:07 give up
0:06:08 that's why they exist because if the
0:06:09 uyghurs gave up
0:06:11 there would be no need for these camps
0:06:12 so these camps exist because the people
0:06:14 refuse to give up islam if you're if you
0:06:16 look uh
0:06:18 i will cut you will cut
0:06:22 there are a 1.4 billion people living in
0:06:26 china
0:06:27 and that we were muslim uh what the
0:06:29 chinese in their statistic it's always
0:06:32 the lowest they say 12 million uh we
0:06:35 were muslims
0:06:37 with the kazakh as other turkic muslims
0:06:40 maybe you are we are 15 million muslims
0:06:44 they couldn't
0:06:46 eradicate our religion or culture last
0:06:49 17 70 years
0:06:52 we you know they they this is not the
0:06:55 first time they burnt a copy of korans
0:06:58 they burnt a coffee of qurans and then
0:07:01 greatly forward in 60s culture
0:07:04 revolution in 70s
0:07:06 they you know destroyed the mosque at
0:07:08 that time even look in kashgar is it
0:07:10 like a bohara or samarkand the ancient
0:07:12 city in central asia where the madrid
0:07:15 you know for the theology for islamic
0:07:17 religion
0:07:19 very famous city
0:07:21 they left there in the
0:07:23 end of seventies
0:07:25 two mosque in in kashkar
0:07:28 but
0:07:29 we as a we were muslim you know we get a
0:07:32 little bit
0:07:34 uh
0:07:34 of a little bit tolerated freedom we
0:07:37 built our mosque
0:07:39 we you know get our religion again yes
0:07:42 and
0:07:42 our religion islamic religion
0:07:45 saved us
0:07:46 to become kafir or like a high chinese
0:07:50 atheist imagine that islam
0:07:53 saved we were people
0:07:55 in
0:07:56 1.4 million
0:07:58 people's around
0:08:00 and that's the why why why they
0:08:02 attacking the religion they say you know
0:08:04 to assimilate them to educate them
0:08:07 i have to take their belief their faith
0:08:10 i attacked them their face diminish them
0:08:13 you know and that's to do what they
0:08:15 attach and and this is this is not just
0:08:18 a war against we were muslim that's the
0:08:21 war
0:08:22 against islamic belief on faith
0:08:26 the islamic faith is not just belong to
0:08:28 we were muslim it's about the old umba
0:08:30 islami yes quranic is not the book holy
0:08:34 book for the uyghurs
0:08:36 it's the book for all muslims
0:08:38 and the masjid is masjid allah
0:08:41 house of allah yes if they be turned in
0:08:44 the bar okay we are just responsible
0:08:47 what what we can do
0:08:49 for this is every muslim believer is
0:08:52 responsible
0:08:53 stand against
0:08:55 this
0:08:56 war and faith
0:08:58 war against islam yes you know this is
0:09:00 something very important the chinese
0:09:02 communist party says this is an internal
0:09:05 matter
0:09:06 we say anybody that says
0:09:08 and you oppress them this is not an
0:09:10 internal matter this is a matter that
0:09:12 goes and reaches the entire muslim world
0:09:15 so they want us to give up and say oh
0:09:18 here's the border so these people are
0:09:20 being oppressed don't worry about them
0:09:21 but if you look at what they're
0:09:23 attacking they're not attacking them
0:09:25 just being very good they're attacking
0:09:26 them because they believe in
0:09:29 allah now sheikh
0:09:31 spoke about you know the destruction of
0:09:33 the mosque the desecration of the quran
0:09:35 all of these things the rapes that
0:09:36 happen in these concentration camps the
0:09:38 separation of children hundreds of
0:09:40 thousands of children separated from
0:09:41 their parents but here's something i
0:09:43 just want everybody to picture
0:09:46 they would put their filthy communist
0:09:48 flag above the name of allah and they
0:09:50 would allow the world to watch that so
0:09:52 if you watch the
0:09:53 mosque
0:09:55 in the edgar mosque that you have in
0:09:58 kashgar
0:09:59 this mosque it had bismillah rahim at
0:10:02 the front this is a few years ago and
0:10:04 you find many muslims praying there now
0:10:06 they've removed the name of allah and
0:10:07 they've stuck their filthy flag on top
0:10:10 of the masjid
0:10:11 and
0:10:12 everybody around the world sees that
0:10:14 atheism is above allah
0:10:17 from their perspective that they believe
0:10:19 that this is the way forward and we say
0:10:21 allahu akbar allah is above atheism
0:10:24 allah is above communism allah is above
0:10:26 the chinese communist party so their
0:10:28 message is clear
0:10:30 it is we are at war with islam that is
0:10:32 their message and in the other masjids
0:10:35 you find the actual picture of xi
0:10:36 jinping you actually find his picture
0:10:39 now we know the pictures are not allowed
0:10:40 in these masjids we know that you're not
0:10:42 allowed to have these images in mosques
0:10:44 and they've put his picture in the
0:10:46 direction of the kaaba
0:10:48 and even in some places they have made
0:10:51 their own chinese communist parties azan
0:10:54 they've actually made their own
0:10:57 uh sort of thing about the mother the
0:10:59 motherland and this and this muslims on
0:11:02 eid have to listen to the national
0:11:04 anthem which is full of obviously
0:11:05 communist ideology so as sheikh haris is
0:11:08 saying this is not an internal matter
0:11:10 anybody who says
0:11:12 this should make your blood boil yeah
0:11:14 make you understand this is our
0:11:15 responsibility i want to ask a question
0:11:17 okay
0:11:18 going back to your situation here i you
0:11:20 are the head
0:11:22 of the biggest congress isn't it and
0:11:24 mostly inspector general indian society
0:11:26 you are the inspector general okay of
0:11:29 one of the most if not the most
0:11:30 influential the oldest it is it's the
0:11:32 actual representative of the uyghur
0:11:34 diocese right isn't it right so
0:11:37 what can we do on the ground this is my
0:11:39 question to you what can we do on the
0:11:40 ground uh
0:11:43 i am the general inspector of the world
0:11:45 world congress which is the umbrella
0:11:47 organization for the weaker people in
0:11:49 diaspora
0:11:51 we
0:11:52 our
0:11:53 member our leadership will elected by
0:11:56 the delegation delegation will be
0:11:58 elected by the people of estranis living
0:12:01 in the diaspora and three countries
0:12:04 we had last month's every election
0:12:08 for delegation for the next congress we
0:12:10 have in the 12th to november in prague
0:12:13 uh we here we are elected freely our
0:12:15 delegation it will be held in the next
0:12:17 congress
0:12:18 it it means the world iran congress is
0:12:21 represented in the old issue in the in
0:12:24 the world like a like a exiled
0:12:27 government or representative
0:12:29 so so this is quite a big thing big
0:12:31 things yes and we have local
0:12:32 organization and then in the uk and
0:12:35 europe and america and everywhere
0:12:37 and uh this is a like umbrella
0:12:39 organization
0:12:41 so
0:12:41 for your question what can be done yes
0:12:45 our our uh problem is not in western
0:12:48 country in western country there will be
0:12:50 reports about
0:12:51 we were a genocide many uh parliaments
0:12:54 you know declared it said we were
0:12:56 genocide and it will be held right now
0:12:58 here in the uk
0:13:00 our problem is to reach out our brothers
0:13:04 and the sisters in islamic countries
0:13:07 we asking them not you know fight for us
0:13:10 we asking them just pray for us
0:13:13 like every muslim pray for palestine
0:13:15 for the every muslim you know depressed
0:13:18 everywhere they praying for them we want
0:13:21 you know a part of this
0:13:23 we are there for a part of this yes we
0:13:25 want to just you know that our brother
0:13:28 and the muslim just pray for us and we
0:13:30 have difficulty
0:13:32 to reach out islamic countries
0:13:34 uh many reason maybe you know that where
0:13:37 we have
0:13:38 chinese influence on that on that
0:13:41 but
0:13:42 uh we have still in islamic countries
0:13:44 many institutions
0:13:46 many influential people
0:13:48 imams scholars i think we
0:13:52 we should reach to them through
0:13:55 uh the muslims living in western country
0:13:59 because
0:14:00 as a muslim
0:14:01 in western country
0:14:03 we have luxury to get information
0:14:06 but this luxury
0:14:07 make us
0:14:10 to inform
0:14:11 to inform responsibility to inform our
0:14:14 brothers and the sister islamic
0:14:16 countries what's happening there yeah if
0:14:19 they don't know yes we can you know tell
0:14:21 them look just
0:14:24 in one month you know one uh
0:14:27 of a friday you know talking about we
0:14:30 were issue from just you know
0:14:32 perspective of islam as a brotherhood
0:14:34 you know as a part of a new man
0:14:36 we had we had um a protest as you know
0:14:40 in london it was probably one of the
0:14:41 biggest protests first july yeah first
0:14:43 of july and it was pretty successful yep
0:14:45 we've heard that it has actually made
0:14:48 the chinese government make amendments
0:14:49 even on the ground
0:14:51 in
0:14:52 uh in china in east turkestan they made
0:14:54 them people go to eat prayers and stuff
0:14:56 like that do you think
0:14:59 that activism protesting and these kinds
0:15:01 of things has an impact
0:15:03 and if so how do you advise us to do
0:15:05 this
0:15:07 yes
0:15:09 almost chinese government shutdown
0:15:12 mosque almost four years
0:15:14 last year nobody
0:15:16 got a mosque to pray for the idol
0:15:21 ramadan yes
0:15:22 but this time
0:15:23 after uh
0:15:25 first of july
0:15:26 when the our brothers and sisters and
0:15:29 face muslims
0:15:30 went front of chinese embassy in london
0:15:34 which is like a chinese foreign ministry
0:15:37 for the china yes asking them we are
0:15:40 here
0:15:41 we want
0:15:42 ask about our about about our brothers
0:15:45 and sisters in east turkestan we are
0:15:48 here maybe allah you know maybe there
0:15:50 were
0:15:52 thousand thousands uh the the people
0:15:54 attended this demonstration yes maybe
0:15:56 allah showed them thousands hundred
0:15:58 thousands allah they get they get scared
0:16:01 and then the radio free asia reported
0:16:04 yes the chinese communist government
0:16:07 forced
0:16:08 we were muslims
0:16:10 over 60 years old to gamas
0:16:13 the police went to every at home you
0:16:15 know you go musk the people are scared
0:16:17 so you're telling me it has a material
0:16:19 impact to actually change impact
0:16:24 because you know
0:16:25 the chinese communist regime is very
0:16:28 afraid about
0:16:30 pr
0:16:32 especially in muslim countries and the
0:16:34 muslims because
0:16:37 china's money came first from muslim
0:16:40 countries yes
0:16:42 and if they lose the money if they lose
0:16:45 the resource in muslim countries they
0:16:47 will lose everything
0:16:49 and it's crucial so this is working this
0:16:53 is working we have to say now and we're
0:16:55 going to mention this at the end once
0:16:56 again that we we are going to organize
0:16:58 another protest and it's going to be on
0:17:00 this with the second of november 12th
0:17:01 sorry 12th november which is the east
0:17:03 turkestan national day yes because in
0:17:06 1933 and in 1944 they had their
0:17:09 independence and it was crushed by the
0:17:10 chinese machine yeah
0:17:12 the chinese communist regime and the
0:17:15 12th of november in london and also
0:17:18 inshallah in other cities in the world
0:17:19 there's going to be a protest to speak
0:17:22 up for the uyghur people now uh sheikha
0:17:25 dries here he was speaking about
0:17:27 obviously the impact of that protest but
0:17:30 i would just i just want you to
0:17:31 highlight something
0:17:32 the chinese communist party you can
0:17:34 imagine as a narcissistic dictator
0:17:38 narcissism would not allow you to take
0:17:40 any criticism they cannot take any
0:17:41 criticism
0:17:43 and especially if it has to do with
0:17:44 money because it impacts them so even on
0:17:48 social media tweeting
0:17:50 making videos talking about it
0:17:54 that has an impact which is tangible the
0:17:57 protest definitely has one if you're at
0:17:59 home share this video tell your friends
0:18:02 and families about it go to your local
0:18:04 imam and say why haven't you spoken
0:18:05 about the ui people because i want
0:18:06 everybody to remember something
0:18:08 turkestan the land of turkistan which is
0:18:11 an ancient land of islam
0:18:13 this land became muslim over a thousand
0:18:17 years ago
0:18:18 and in this land we've had
0:18:20 from this land
0:18:22 people who've come to defend the holy
0:18:24 lands of islam like sultan kutuz from
0:18:27 egypt he was from turkestan barbara from
0:18:30 uh the mughal empire who established the
0:18:32 mughal empire he was from turkistan
0:18:36 who defeated the romans and actually
0:18:38 conquered the roman emperor was from
0:18:40 turkestan and then of course the
0:18:42 ottomans the cell jokes
0:18:44 yeah oh
0:18:46 and what we need to understand is islam
0:18:48 has been supported has been given
0:18:51 support from
0:18:53 turkistan for hundreds and hundreds of
0:18:55 years now they need us
0:18:57 now they need our help and they have
0:18:59 been islamists
0:19:00 foreign
0:19:02 which i think is a very important point
0:19:04 and i want to put it to you as well
0:19:06 uh you said something to me which i
0:19:07 think
0:19:08 was such a profound point that it should
0:19:10 be on the public record
0:19:12 you said you know of all of the the
0:19:14 causes in the world you mentioned
0:19:15 palestine you mentioned
0:19:17 like the rohingya like there's so many
0:19:19 horrible especially muslim-related
0:19:20 causes like humanitarian causes
0:19:23 you you once said something to me which
0:19:25 really stuck you know which is that the
0:19:27 weaker cause
0:19:28 of all of those causes is potentially
0:19:31 one of the most solvable causes
0:19:34 because
0:19:35 it's you know with the palestine issue
0:19:36 for example the superpower is against us
0:19:38 the superpower is in bed with israel
0:19:41 they and not only is the superpower in
0:19:43 bed with israelis it just seems
0:19:45 impossible to get the you know the the
0:19:47 objective met really unless something
0:19:49 dramatic happens absolutely dramatic
0:19:52 whereas with this situation here it
0:19:55 seems to me that because the powers that
0:19:57 be here the superpowers the hegemony the
0:19:59 the british
0:20:00 not british sorry the american hegemony
0:20:03 is
0:20:04 fair enough in an interdependent
0:20:06 economic relationship with china because
0:20:08 they both need each other economically
0:20:09 but at the same time
0:20:11 they are in a pr kind of cold proxy war
0:20:14 yeah this could actually work
0:20:17 there could be i believe that if we put
0:20:19 enough pressure on china it doesn't have
0:20:21 to be military pressure it really
0:20:23 doesn't i think
0:20:24 economy motivates these people like you
0:20:26 said if it gets bad enough for these
0:20:28 people they will stop doing what they
0:20:30 are doing i genuinely believe that
0:20:33 alleviation of this situation can happen
0:20:36 with a lot of international pressure and
0:20:38 pr alone
0:20:40 pr with with a robust economic strategy
0:20:42 as well which can be generated from the
0:20:44 pr can alleviate the situation to a
0:20:46 point which is completely
0:20:47 indistinguishable from what we see at
0:20:49 the moment do you think this is a fair
0:20:50 representation yes it's a fair
0:20:52 representation and
0:20:55 as i said before you know uh the first
0:20:58 of july impact yes and uh we are talking
0:21:01 right now
0:21:02 again at 12th november yesterday
0:21:05 national day
0:21:06 because this is
0:21:08 national day if you look back
0:21:10 the the the islamic republic of eastern
0:21:13 1933
0:21:15 you know islam yet
0:21:19 you know this is the islamic uh
0:21:23 symbols and they ended
0:21:26 establishing this republic there and
0:21:28 this is the day you know 12th of
0:21:29 november yes to go out and just stand
0:21:32 you know for your brothers and the
0:21:34 sisters in the historic stand say we are
0:21:37 here we are hearing your voice you have
0:21:40 to
0:21:43 this is this is allah important and may
0:21:45 i finish this yes right now we are
0:21:48 working uh for that 12th of november
0:21:51 just you know in the us uh and then
0:21:53 australia canada and europe and the uh
0:21:57 everywhere
0:21:58 just as as a muslims
0:22:01 as a muslims as a umma
0:22:03 go to the front of chinese embassy
0:22:07 and ask
0:22:09 your brothers and sister and stand for
0:22:12 the justice yes that's the crucial
0:22:14 crucial we do it for every other we do
0:22:16 it for palestine yes and we see the
0:22:18 numbers for palestine cause this is
0:22:20 important yes and palestinian blood is
0:22:22 not more valuable than weaker blood this
0:22:24 is a this is a fact and also i just
0:22:26 wanted to say that you know uh the
0:22:28 sheikh spoke about the 12th of november
0:22:31 and that you know
0:22:32 this is an islamic cause this is not
0:22:35 some some something that muslims should
0:22:37 shy away from
0:22:39 east turkestan was the first islamic
0:22:41 republic in the history of the world the
0:22:42 first before any other islamic republics
0:22:45 and even if you look at the the people
0:22:48 that the old pictures of who's there you
0:22:50 will find that there is a lot of islamic
0:22:53 symbolism a lot of islamic slogans even
0:22:57 when for example the uyghurs when they
0:22:59 are you know they are representing their
0:23:01 calls they will say
0:23:03 dinam islam military
0:23:06 turkish
0:23:14 [Laughter]
0:23:16 when i looked at this i said this is not
0:23:18 a secular slogan this is not a slogan
0:23:22 about you know
0:23:24 communism the uyghurs are muslim this is
0:23:27 their slogan they believe in this and we
0:23:30 all know we all know that in islam
0:23:33 if we do not help each other then one by
0:23:37 one they will pick up each one allah and
0:23:39 this is the thing you know uh sheikh
0:23:41 haitham uh when he was speaking about
0:23:43 the course he narrated a narration of
0:23:46 the prophet sallallahu and i'm going to
0:23:46 paraphrase it that if we do not help a
0:23:50 person
0:23:51 and they are in a difficult situation
0:23:54 then it could be that allah puts us in
0:23:55 that situation because we could have
0:23:57 helped him we did it
0:23:58 so what is to say the whole muslim world
0:24:00 is silent on this issue
0:24:02 and then one by one china does this to
0:24:05 each muslim country
0:24:07 you know it's uh this is something i
0:24:09 heard from one uyghur activist and this
0:24:10 wallahi stuck in my head
0:24:13 east turkestan is islam's eastern
0:24:15 fortress
0:24:16 if that falls is game over that's your
0:24:20 first point of stoppage and what is it
0:24:22 what's what's being required just
0:24:24 activism
0:24:26 and just in the same way that
0:24:29 israel stopped his actions in the recent
0:24:32 conflict because of the outcry
0:24:35 same way the chinese they'll give up
0:24:37 they will give up they'll give up
0:24:38 they'll be like worth it for them it's
0:24:39 not worth it by the way
0:24:42 what the stakes for israel are different
0:24:44 to the states for china like you can
0:24:46 imagine china you know saying whatever
0:24:48 it's not worth it for us israel are not
0:24:50 going to do that they'll say we're going
0:24:51 to give up our country this is something
0:24:53 they've been fighting for years
0:24:55 for them it's different yeah and sorry
0:24:56 just to just to uh clarify we're telling
0:24:58 them don't genocide yeah so even don't
0:25:00 rape women yeah so when it comes to
0:25:02 israel or palestine
0:25:04 it's totally different because the
0:25:05 chinese call easter shinjang new
0:25:08 territory they know it's not their
0:25:10 territory that's what they call a new
0:25:11 territory two in their constitution they
0:25:13 recognize this an autonomous region so
0:25:16 meaning it should have everything except
0:25:18 foreign policy but it doesn't do that so
0:25:20 even the chinese regime itself it
0:25:22 understands this is not there's not the
0:25:24 land but they know it's not their land
0:25:26 but what we're saying is at this point
0:25:27 in time there are so many objectives to
0:25:29 be met before we're talking about this
0:25:31 land being independent yeah we're
0:25:32 talking about the genocide being stopped
0:25:35 the the concentration camps there's so
0:25:36 many things that can be improved
0:25:39 and it's
0:25:40 so many things that can be improved at
0:25:41 lower stakes yeah do you see what i mean
0:25:44 so i just feel like this is something we
0:25:46 we must like partake in and it will be i
0:25:49 think almost a form of discrimination i
0:25:51 must say if we if we
0:25:53 we show so much support to palestine and
0:25:56 palestinian cause which okay fine it's
0:25:57 the holy land is extremely important but
0:25:59 we show minimal support to the uyghur
0:26:02 people i just wanted to say something
0:26:04 that muhammad hadid he's one of the
0:26:06 volunteers for the uyghur human uh
0:26:08 weaker freedom organization he
0:26:11 you know he agrees with this even though
0:26:13 he's palestinian he said if the
0:26:14 palestinians
0:26:16 were sent over to east turkestan let's
0:26:18 say if the east turkestanis were sent
0:26:20 over to live in gaza to live in these
0:26:22 places right to go under the oppression
0:26:24 that the currently the palestinians are
0:26:26 going through
0:26:28 the east turkestanis would consider this
0:26:30 a holiday
0:26:31 the oppression in east turkestan is so
0:26:33 severe that if they went to palestine
0:26:35 they will say alhamdulillah this is all
0:26:36 right not to trivialize them no
0:26:38 absolutely not and and you know you're
0:26:40 absolutely right because someone did
0:26:41 point this out that we shouldn't
0:26:42 trivialize the palestinian issue but as
0:26:44 a palestinian muhammad hadid he said
0:26:46 look this makes sense
0:26:48 because the fact is if you're if you're
0:26:50 you know in gaza in in these and you've
0:26:53 done protests on this you know this
0:26:56 the killing and all of this damage
0:26:58 that's being done at least with your
0:27:00 family you know they're dead or alive
0:27:02 at least the palestinian children are
0:27:04 being raised as atheists there is a
0:27:06 different level oppression happening in
0:27:08 chinese occupied east turkestan that
0:27:11 actually makes other forms of oppression
0:27:13 which are horrible
0:27:14 look more timid and i think that's the
0:27:16 most extremely worrying thing about deen
0:27:24 there are five things that share came to
0:27:26 protect
0:27:27 the number one is
0:27:28 the protection of religion then is the
0:27:31 the protection of one's own self and
0:27:32 human beings so if we see a situation
0:27:35 where people's deen is being uh
0:27:38 changed forcibly because they're talking
0:27:40 about compulsion and religion talk about
0:27:42 islamic tropes and orientation they're
0:27:44 doing it they're doing they're forcing
0:27:46 people out of a religion
0:27:47 we're seeing that then that must be
0:27:49 prioritized yeah that must be priorities
0:27:51 and i just want you to add something the
0:27:52 numbers that we have in the uyghur
0:27:54 tribunal which is taking place this
0:27:55 weekend they're going to give their
0:27:57 verdict in december some of the
0:27:58 academics they're talking about hundreds
0:27:59 of thousands of children
0:28:01 have been removed from their parents
0:28:02 while their parents are alive and
0:28:04 they're being socialized into this
0:28:06 atheist ideology so it's not just to do
0:28:08 with a few hundred it's not a joke and
0:28:10 if you if you extrapolate that that
0:28:12 means and
0:28:14 this is not over hyping the situation
0:28:16 there'll be nobody to say
0:28:19 in east turkestan in the next 50 years
0:28:21 if this continues like this is what they
0:28:23 are planning to eradicate islam
0:28:26 from its very root but they have their
0:28:28 plans and allah has this plan yes and
0:28:30 this is how we have to get involved
0:28:31 we're talking about missionary work we
0:28:33 talk about apologetics we talk about go
0:28:34 and convert people and all that stuff
0:28:36 and people are being forcibly and we can
0:28:38 change it and so if we can't change that
0:28:41 then we haven't done our jobs like you
0:28:42 said it has to be fair
0:28:45 um and who would be most
0:28:47 qualified and advantageous in an
0:28:49 advantageous position to do so except
0:28:51 for as you mentioned the people who have
0:28:52 the most freedom we have the most
0:28:54 freedom yeah to do these things than any
0:28:56 muslims in the whole wide world yeah
0:28:58 this is the truth so it's upon us it is
0:29:00 really upon us yes and and uh look uh
0:29:04 this is not just the
0:29:06 tragedy we hold genocide or your issue
0:29:09 it's
0:29:10 as a
0:29:11 i i outlined in my book it's
0:29:14 all islamic issue yes because
0:29:17 uh we are just frontier front gate you
0:29:22 know uh to stop them there
0:29:24 because we have the knowledge we have
0:29:27 the experience we paid you know a lot of
0:29:30 uh
0:29:32 lives to get the knowledge how that deal
0:29:34 with them
0:29:35 if they you know
0:29:37 get
0:29:38 uh
0:29:38 eradicated estrogen and they will you
0:29:42 know will be in central asia
0:29:44 and uh this is the every islamic
0:29:47 country's issue you i'm
0:29:50 i'm i'm it's so big issue i'm outlined
0:29:53 in this book
0:29:54 i ask every
0:29:57 responsible muslim and brothers look
0:30:00 around him in his country where he is or
0:30:03 she is
0:30:04 look what the chinese
0:30:06 government or chinese business people or
0:30:09 chinese so-called investors doing there
0:30:12 they will find out
0:30:14 this is this is the the the forced labor
0:30:17 not staying in and then in instax time
0:30:19 they build them already in africa
0:30:21 thousands of thousands of publics right
0:30:24 now they're paying for the people there
0:30:26 to working you know minimum wage
0:30:28 few years later they will you know
0:30:30 cooperate with their military dictators
0:30:33 tell them bring people from the prisons
0:30:36 let them work for free
0:30:38 they will bear them for the prison to
0:30:39 work to forfeit if the prison is in
0:30:41 there they will you know make a new law
0:30:44 put the
0:30:45 young people in the prison
0:30:46 let them
0:30:47 bring to the forced labor this first
0:30:49 labor issue already almost in africa
0:30:53 i can you know
0:30:55 mention in this book some some some the
0:30:57 name of the country some politicians
0:30:59 and this is this we will tragedy
0:31:02 i am asking every uh my my brothers and
0:31:05 sisters not just as a we were issued or
0:31:08 we were uh problem we were we were it's
0:31:12 their own problem their country's
0:31:14 problems yeah you know sheikh hadri says
0:31:15 something which is very important yes
0:31:17 this is first and foremost definitely a
0:31:18 muslim issue however it's gonna affect
0:31:20 non-muslims it's gonna affect like you
0:31:22 said africa um it's going to affect
0:31:25 latin america it's gonna affect other
0:31:26 things so even though because we are
0:31:29 muslims and we are united and um is one
0:31:31 body we are speaking up but for anybody
0:31:33 who's watching this and if you're not
0:31:35 muslim this is going to affect everybody
0:31:37 you know this next couple of decades uh
0:31:40 what's happening to the tibetans what's
0:31:42 actually happened to the mongols in
0:31:44 inner mongolia so uh you know it's very
0:31:47 important that if we stand together the
0:31:50 mongols the tibetans the uyghurs the
0:31:53 muslims the the africans the latinos
0:31:56 because collectively they cannot take us
0:31:58 all on um i think uh just to end upon we
0:32:01 should speak about the world weaker
0:32:03 congress so the the the uyghur tribunal
0:32:06 taking place uh this weekend and you're
0:32:08 going to be giving a testimony there so
0:32:10 if you can explain about that please yes
0:32:12 uh inshallah it will be in the uh we
0:32:15 were a terminal there will be a victim
0:32:17 witness
0:32:18 the
0:32:21 the world had the chance you know to
0:32:23 hear
0:32:24 from firsthand from the victims
0:32:27 uh what they went to true from this we
0:32:29 were genocide and that is chinese
0:32:32 foreign islam
0:32:33 and additionally uh there will uh many
0:32:36 experts from a wide aspects uh giving
0:32:40 their their testimony in this genocide
0:32:43 and
0:32:44 i
0:32:45 was asked about
0:32:48 china's buying
0:32:50 muslim country's silence
0:32:52 and how they in fact impact on we were
0:32:56 genocide
0:32:57 and i i'll give my testimony there
0:33:00 already
0:33:01 sending this submitted report to them
0:33:04 it's
0:33:06 i'm not happy you know i i i'll give my
0:33:09 omission i'm not happy to give this
0:33:11 testimony
0:33:12 how the china bought islamic country's
0:33:15 silence i'm not happy to talk about this
0:33:18 because
0:33:18 it hurt me because i'm a muslim
0:33:22 i'm one of this ummah
0:33:25 and the
0:33:26 the pro front of the world you know to
0:33:28 tell look china invested there this
0:33:31 money
0:33:32 but this military guys or you know
0:33:35 corrupted this politician or but this
0:33:37 media and this media outline just you
0:33:40 know bring the news
0:33:42 from china as a miracle they're not
0:33:44 talking about the uyghur issue they
0:33:46 deport them we were students and we were
0:33:49 business people to china to
0:33:50 concentration camp it's not uh what i
0:33:53 enjoy to talk about it it hurts me as a
0:33:56 witness i'm very nervous brother to talk
0:33:59 about this issue
0:34:00 i wish you know at least uh that not the
0:34:04 case that's not the case i said one um
0:34:07 we saw you now as you said before as a
0:34:10 muslim um we you know a last piece by
0:34:13 peace and losing you know look
0:34:17 in the end
0:34:18 indonesia you know in central everywhere
0:34:21 yeah balkan kafkas and everywhere
0:34:24 we we have of course priority every
0:34:27 country but as a um
0:34:29 at least what we can do is what i say
0:34:33 inform fellow brothers yes that's true
0:34:35 and the mecca
0:34:37 that's at least what we can do it that
0:34:39 can do everybody that's the minimum and
0:34:41 also november the 12th is a protest yes
0:34:44 it's been a pleasure allah having you
0:34:45 and thank you you've given us the show
0:34:48 thank you brother