What is happening to the #Uyghur Muslims in Chinese occupied #EastTurkestan (2020-04-27) #

0:00:00 assalamualaikum warahmatullahi what I
0:00:02 care to and welcome to a special show
0:00:04 with a special guest who is a weaker
0:00:07 Muslim who is an activist who's been
0:00:08 very active on media mainstream media
0:00:12 BBC T is equal T NT or T RT a crabber
0:00:17 yeah yeah the Turkish channel right Al
0:00:21 Jazeera and many other and many other
0:00:23 important channels it's obviously got
0:00:25 very important information to give us
0:00:28 today about the plight of the weakened
0:00:31 Muslims in East Turkestan so before we
0:00:36 get started with what's happening on the
0:00:38 ground now I thought we potentially
0:00:40 better get started with maybe a brief
0:00:43 history of who are the weaker people and
0:00:45 what is the history of of those bigger
0:00:48 people in the East segment son sure um
0:00:52 today what what the Chinese call or what
0:00:55 it's officially called by the world
0:00:56 bodies as the Xin Jiang we got
0:00:59 autonomous region we often refer to as
0:01:01 Chinese occupied East Turkestan and I
0:01:05 mean you could go in 2000 years of
0:01:07 history but maybe the week is coming to
0:01:11 play especially during the Qatar Han
0:01:14 Empire period where the wiggers in 934
0:01:17 accept Islam and they are the first
0:01:20 Turkic nation to accept this lab and and
0:01:23 make a kingdom out of it they make the
0:01:26 first Kingdom and even the word Google
0:01:29 in Turkish regard actually means
0:01:31 civilize because they were the first
0:01:33 shows generally Turkic / Mongol people
0:01:36 are nomadic people and the week is were
0:01:38 the first branch of Turks to leave that
0:01:41 nomadic lifestyle and create a
0:01:43 civilization in agriculture and so
0:01:47 around 900 they accept Islam and then
0:01:49 it's like a few hundred years of within
0:01:53 a week a kingdom of different sort of
0:01:55 kingdoms within Turkey kingdoms it's not
0:01:59 until we get to about 1760 where we
0:02:03 start having issues with the Chinese
0:02:06 Empire and during that time we get into
0:02:09 contact the wiggers get into contact
0:02:11 with a Manchu Empire
0:02:13 and they take over what we now refer to
0:02:16 as East Turkestan in 1760 they sort of
0:02:20 rule that part of the land and we'll get
0:02:23 into the geography as well for about 80
0:02:25 or so years during those 80 years there
0:02:28 are many revolts and in about 1864 the
0:02:34 week has become independent once more
0:02:36 from the Manchu Empire and then during
0:02:40 that period for the for a very brief
0:02:42 period the week is actually give back to
0:02:45 the Ottoman empires world very briefly
0:02:47 but again it's short-lived and we are
0:02:50 taken over by the Manchurians again in
0:02:53 1876 then for about eight years or so
0:02:57 there's a bit more revolt and then the
0:03:00 the Ching dynasty basically during that
0:03:03 period in 1884
0:03:06 we are labeled as Shin Jung which
0:03:09 literally means new frontier or new land
0:03:13 and then it's not until 1911 that the
0:03:18 Manchu Empire totally is wiped out by
0:03:21 the Chinese nationalists and we fall
0:03:24 under chinese nationalist rule and then
0:03:27 from 1911 to about 1933 we we fight the
0:03:33 Chinese nationalists and we establish
0:03:35 the East Turkestan Islamic Republic and
0:03:38 this is was established in the city of
0:03:41 kashgar which is very close to the which
0:03:43 which orders with Afghanistan and it's
0:03:46 actually recognized by but by the Afghan
0:03:49 government back then and also turkey the
0:03:52 Turkish Republic but unfortunately this
0:03:55 Islamic Republic is short-lived and then
0:03:58 we lose the fight to the Chinese
0:04:01 nationalists once more and then in in
0:04:05 about eleven years later in 1944 towards
0:04:08 the north of East Turkestan in the city
0:04:10 of gujja we established the East
0:04:12 Turkestan Republic and that goes on for
0:04:15 about five or six years until the
0:04:17 Chinese Communist disband that
0:04:20 government in 1949 and then we've been
0:04:23 living for the past 70 odd years and
0:04:26 communist rule Chinese communist rule
0:04:29 together with Tibet together with Inner
0:04:31 Mongolia and since that day they
0:04:35 promised us autonomy technically we are
0:04:38 labeled the shinjang we got enemies
0:04:40 region but we have we don't receive any
0:04:43 autonomy our leaders are puppets and we
0:04:47 and we've gone through many oppressions
0:04:49 throughout the times whether it be
0:04:51 during whether it be our own Arabic
0:04:55 script because we do use Arabic script
0:04:57 that was then later changed into Latin
0:05:00 for a period of time just like what
0:05:02 Turkey did with Ataturk but then later
0:05:04 again they changed it back to Arabic so
0:05:07 one you change the Arabic script once
0:05:09 you lose a whole generation of people
0:05:11 they become in the room and in another
0:05:13 20 years you change the script once more
0:05:15 so the Chinese have been keeping the the
0:05:19 Weig as literate
0:05:21 [Music]
0:05:22 you know not knowledged and not schooled
0:05:24 and this is a typical of all communist
0:05:28 regimes you know attacking professors
0:05:30 attacking the rich attacking the
0:05:32 businessman and in attacking agency
0:05:34 basically I could go on until today
0:05:37 basically if you if you'd like or well I
0:05:41 mean that's that's very comprehensive in
0:05:44 the short space of time history
0:05:48 tree-like of the of the Weir's what are
0:05:52 the population sizes just for people to
0:05:53 get kind of more of a visual picture now
0:05:55 what's what is the population size what
0:05:57 language do people speak tell us more
0:06:00 about these people I mean to what extent
0:06:02 are they integrated into Chinese society
0:06:04 if at all to what extent are they likely
0:06:07 to know Mandarin Chinese or any kind of
0:06:10 Chinese so give us a bit of a glimpse as
0:06:14 to what what the wiggers are like today
0:06:17 and and something about the week of
0:06:19 people yes so the week is by nature by
0:06:24 nature or by say blood are a link to the
0:06:27 Turks so even when you go to Turkey or
0:06:29 when you talk to Turkish people they
0:06:32 they have this special tree of you know
0:06:34 what they call like where their gene
0:06:36 comes from or so to speak so we are
0:06:39 linked to the Turkic people
0:06:40 and when we refer to East Turkestan we
0:06:43 don't just refer to the wiggers even
0:06:45 though we make the majority within the
0:06:48 framework of Turkestan or Eastern
0:06:50 castaigne Kazakh Turks is Beck Turks
0:06:52 Kurds Turks hotter Turks the the wiggers
0:06:57 the language itself is Turkish so if I
0:07:01 were to speak say say - Ali Dawa very
0:07:04 slowly in the wiggling which you would
0:07:06 understand me I do know the Turkish
0:07:08 language itself as well so that the
0:07:11 Turks understand each other and the
0:07:15 language wise according to Chinese
0:07:18 statistics we are 11 million people but
0:07:20 we say we are anywhere anywhere between
0:07:24 25 to 40 million obviously the Chinese
0:07:27 don't let us do any statistics they seem
0:07:29 to just keep our population the same
0:07:31 over especially after 1990 our
0:07:34 population hasn't changed for some
0:07:35 reason they like to keep it small on
0:07:37 paper and when the first when before
0:07:42 China's invasion the the Chinese
0:07:45 population is Turkestan was less than a
0:07:47 percent maybe like half a percent but
0:07:50 now according to China it's about 50 50
0:07:54 50 percent Han and then 50 percent we
0:07:56 guess and then within that 50 percent
0:07:58 there are a small minority of Cossacks
0:08:00 could his respects Attar's yeah but
0:08:06 those are the weaker people for you and
0:08:08 the frustration with the Chinese
0:08:11 government is that while whilst many
0:08:13 other cultures because China posts
0:08:16 itself and prides itself of having 56
0:08:19 nationalities within or 56 ethnic groups
0:08:23 within China but we are the ones that
0:08:27 haven't necessarily integrated into
0:08:29 there or been assimilated into their
0:08:32 framework and it's maybe you've heard of
0:08:36 the recent crackdown in the last three
0:08:38 years these concentration camps where
0:08:41 they finally said enough is enough
0:08:44 you're either going to become Chinese or
0:08:46 not because how our allegiance has not
0:08:50 been necessarily to Beijing it's been
0:08:53 more
0:08:54 towards to our Turkic brothers in
0:08:55 Central Asia to to our Middle Eastern
0:08:59 brothers in the Middle East so we looked
0:09:02 out and even the way we look the way we
0:09:04 speak in recent years I mean the the
0:09:08 weaker people have had to learn Chinese
0:09:10 I mean it is it is that is it is the
0:09:13 nation's language after all if you don't
0:09:15 know Chinese you wouldn't be able to
0:09:17 study so weak is predominantly do you
0:09:20 know the Chinese Mandarin language yeah
0:09:23 and you may have heard that and we'll
0:09:26 probably get into that later that why
0:09:27 they're putting us into concentration
0:09:29 camp is to teach us Chinese Mandarin but
0:09:31 most of the people that that you've seen
0:09:33 put are actually very educated people so
0:09:38 let's get to that right now because I
0:09:40 think we've got a good picture of who
0:09:42 the weaker people are what the history
0:09:44 is because I think that he realizes them
0:09:46 not just for let's say non-muslims who
0:09:49 are watching this but also for us
0:09:52 Muslims who might not have much
0:09:54 information about the weekers myself
0:09:57 included so I think it's very important
0:09:59 that we we do study a little bit more
0:10:01 about the history studied a little bit
0:10:03 more about the society and the people
0:10:05 what's going on in China now so the most
0:10:10 recent thing that has been going on
0:10:13 especially since the beginning of 2017
0:10:16 China have decided to put the wiggers
0:10:18 into and and we've seen it and today I
0:10:23 made a video about it as well just like
0:10:25 what happened to the Jews into
0:10:26 concentration camps before I mean it's
0:10:30 not like it's starting 2017 the the
0:10:33 weeks have always been oppressed over
0:10:35 the last 70 years but especially these
0:10:38 last three years regardless of how
0:10:41 religious someone is or regardless of
0:10:45 how loyal they were to the Communist
0:10:47 Party it based simply on your ethnic
0:10:51 identity you were put into this
0:10:53 concentration camp to be basically fixed
0:10:57 or to be retrained re-educated and in
0:11:01 the process many have died so if I if I
0:11:05 can go into what actually happened
0:11:06 in these camps there are actually four
0:11:08 types of camps for four levels of camps
0:11:11 the first type of camp is the lightest
0:11:14 where probably the people that have that
0:11:18 are not a threat to society so sort of
0:11:21 threats to Chinese society is if you
0:11:24 have connections overseas if you make a
0:11:27 telephone call overseas if you have if
0:11:29 you if you have ever owned any religious
0:11:32 items so holding on to prayer mats or
0:11:35 Koran or hanging things or saying I
0:11:40 don't know if you've got religious or
0:11:42 possessions or so you can check this out
0:11:46 as well
0:11:47 1.1 million Chinese officials were sent
0:11:51 in to
0:11:52 Weger homes and and you had no choice
0:11:56 for this under the guise of creating
0:12:00 ethnic harmony between the Han and the
0:12:03 Wigga and we thought you know this is
0:12:06 good all right that they'll get to know
0:12:08 what it'll be like a cultural exchange
0:12:10 because it's very easy very I mean even
0:12:13 though we cousin Han Chinese do work
0:12:15 together it's it's very unlikely that
0:12:17 you would invite that let have them
0:12:18 sleep over and all this during that time
0:12:20 the wigs were surveilled and they saw
0:12:23 how they interacted so this notion of or
0:12:27 they could practice at home and not
0:12:30 practice outside that doesn't exist for
0:12:32 us so during that time they were able to
0:12:34 establish how whether how much Chinese
0:12:38 Mandarin they spoke at home because now
0:12:41 in public spaces the weaker language
0:12:43 itself is banned so how what sort of
0:12:47 lessons were they teaching their kids
0:12:48 and it could be things like not even at
0:12:51 fully Islamic like my son eat with your
0:12:54 right hand
0:12:55 like there's no sir you know you don't
0:12:58 even have to say all the the the
0:13:00 Shaitaan eats with his left it's just
0:13:01 available white with his right hand so
0:13:04 all these things are jotted down and
0:13:06 jotted in and so from this they sort of
0:13:10 gather who's at what degree so the
0:13:13 lightest punishment is basically this
0:13:15 first sort of care will you literally go
0:13:17 to like work from 9:00 to 5:00 your
0:13:20 this is the lightest is the actual camp
0:13:25 where you are Satan and you actually
0:13:27 stay you live there people have told us
0:13:31 former detainees have told us and this
0:13:34 is widely covered in Western media and
0:13:36 east media they were on four to five
0:13:39 hundred calorie diets they were made to
0:13:42 repent macabre to Xi Jinping and there
0:13:47 are signs out on the streets and again
0:13:49 this is everything that I'm gonna say is
0:13:51 recorded you can do your own research of
0:13:53 this that Xi Jinping is literally God
0:13:56 and they haven't have a TV screen on him
0:13:58 and you need to write letters to him and
0:14:00 so people are making Toba because they
0:14:03 were making tawba to Allah so religion
0:14:05 not just Islam Christianity Buddhism
0:14:08 Falun Gong you may have heard of these
0:14:10 groups any religion and this is under
0:14:13 all communist regimes are banned even
0:14:15 though they have stayed one religion
0:14:17 where they propagate their own communism
0:14:18 and it's not real religion so that's the
0:14:20 main sort of concentration camp that
0:14:22 we're talking about where there are four
0:14:24 to five hundred calorie diets women are
0:14:26 sterilized they are injected with
0:14:28 something but but the the former
0:14:30 detainees the women they were saying
0:14:32 they they they ended up not having their
0:14:34 periods there is gang rape regardless of
0:14:38 men and women even some men have
0:14:41 testified that they were gang-raped by
0:14:43 prison guards and once the evidence
0:14:47 would miss all of the evidence is based
0:14:50 on testimony and number two there is
0:14:52 satellite images of the actual camps but
0:14:55 video footage of actually what's
0:14:58 happening no we don't have any footage
0:14:59 of this so it's based on testimony the
0:15:02 mowjood the the realization of the camps
0:15:05 have been seen on through google images
0:15:09 through google maps and whenever any
0:15:11 foreign visitor investigate the
0:15:14 journalist does want to go to a specific
0:15:17 area and follow those addresses on the
0:15:19 maps that were given they are stopped if
0:15:22 there is nothing to hide why stopping
0:15:24 them and so for example i've seen
0:15:28 yourself for example going to a row
0:15:30 Hinda going to you know these very
0:15:32 delicate sensitive places
0:15:34 you would not be able to do that in East
0:15:36 Turkestan you want to be able to
0:15:39 interview the people so that's the
0:15:41 second solo that's it that's the second
0:15:43 camp the third camp yeah what ask you
0:15:47 just on that point yeah how would you
0:15:50 compare the wigger situation with the
0:15:52 ring gear situation you know as you kind
0:15:56 of mentioned I'm gonna go into Burma but
0:15:57 I went to Cox's Bazar which is on the
0:16:00 account of all the with Burma and I
0:16:03 spoke to many of the women said that
0:16:06 they seemed their own children you know
0:16:09 put into fires and burn alive and gang
0:16:13 rape but all this first sinister stuff I
0:16:16 was gonna ask to what extent now is that
0:16:19 comparable with what's going on in China
0:16:22 are we seeing the same kind of thing as
0:16:25 it is it just genocide or killings and
0:16:27 I've been what kind of numbers are we
0:16:29 talking about is there anywhere similar
0:16:31 to running game but would you say it's
0:16:34 lesser than that we just say it's
0:16:36 similar to it in many ways or what would
0:16:38 be your assessment so basically based
0:16:41 based on what the former detainees have
0:16:42 said they're saying anyway based on
0:16:45 their experiences on average they were
0:16:46 saying they were at least seeing ten
0:16:49 people every month leaving their cells
0:16:51 and not being able to come back this is
0:16:53 what they were telling us that they
0:16:54 actually saw ten people die in front of
0:16:57 their eyes every month they're saying
0:16:59 that there's anywhere between 1,000 to
0:17:03 2,000 camps so you can only guesstimate
0:17:06 there are no official numbers I mean
0:17:08 killing them yes that they are killing
0:17:11 them but that they're killing them in a
0:17:13 way that they are they're being put
0:17:15 through this camp but the people that
0:17:19 are dying and not being they are not
0:17:22 able to take that torture it's not like
0:17:27 a bullet to your head but just through
0:17:30 those lack of nutrition through the
0:17:34 torture through someone's questions
0:17:39 well what kind of torture methods are we
0:17:42 talking about it sohow yeah yeah what so
0:17:46 so we're talking about
0:17:48 we're talking about sitting on wood
0:17:52 there is a special made chairs you may
0:17:54 have heard them Tiger chairs for some of
0:17:57 the detainees have said 15 to 16 hours
0:18:00 at a time and when they're or they are
0:18:04 made to stand in certain positions for
0:18:06 many hours at a time
0:18:08 they are interrogated they are given
0:18:10 pills or they're given these special
0:18:11 injections so that they don't fall
0:18:13 asleep after a while if you're not
0:18:17 sleeping for days on end through these
0:18:20 through torture methods the human body
0:18:22 isn't able to take it and say so you
0:18:24 have tens of people die from each cell
0:18:27 this this is how they are dying
0:18:29 generally this is what the detainees are
0:18:31 saying it's not straight up like for
0:18:33 example the the footage that you see
0:18:35 coming out of Inga they you can at least
0:18:38 get footage of you can see the people
0:18:41 dying but in East Turkestan this is
0:18:43 impossible because everything is done
0:18:44 under closed doors it's the difference
0:18:47 between the two and to be honest there
0:18:50 are hinder or the Burma the government
0:18:53 there or the regime they don't have the
0:18:55 capacity to do what cause china has the
0:18:58 the economic power to keep it under
0:19:00 wraps and we're basically saying if
0:19:04 they're not if they haven't got anything
0:19:06 to hide why are journalists you know
0:19:08 constantly followed they are not able to
0:19:11 report freely and still to this day no
0:19:13 UN investigators are able to come and
0:19:15 you people that you were able to go to
0:19:18 the border in and talk to the people
0:19:20 that went through this this oppression
0:19:22 whereas you would never be able to do
0:19:24 this in Kyrgyzstan or um but you could
0:19:29 talk to people outside say in the UK or
0:19:32 in the West so that's a second
0:19:35 personally of you see yes yes I walk
0:19:39 again with it so basically the last time
0:19:44 I was there in 2014 basically from a
0:19:47 child I've been going there every 3 3 or
0:19:49 4 years my mum will take me and we would
0:19:52 stay as a mum son in three four or five
0:19:53 months at a time
0:19:54 and basically for me me going there as a
0:19:58 foreigner I don't really see much post
0:20:01 to
0:20:01 2009 2009 you may have heard there was
0:20:04 something called the autumn chili
0:20:05 massacre or the orange shy riots which
0:20:08 stemmed from the wiggers in this place
0:20:12 called Guangdong which is part of China
0:20:14 these we Gers were working in toy
0:20:16 factories in China why were we was
0:20:19 working over there because there is this
0:20:23 a mr. Sweden to another issue where
0:20:25 where the child the Han Chinese are
0:20:27 called over to work in East Turkestan
0:20:29 the jobs the homes the all the
0:20:32 advantages are for them and we just
0:20:34 don't have anything don't benefit
0:20:36 economically we girls are sent to work
0:20:38 in these factories to make our phones to
0:20:41 make cashews we've heard that Chinese
0:20:43 labor is cheap but we go labor is
0:20:45 cheaper so what happened in 2009 was in
0:20:48 sha1 on June 26 2009 we because the
0:20:53 Chinese workers was not happy they were
0:20:54 losing their jobs because of wiggers
0:20:56 many weekers were slaughtered massacred
0:20:58 by workers and it was a huge cover-up
0:21:01 the Chinese government didn't release it
0:21:04 to the news so the wiggers in East
0:21:07 Turkistan went to the government the
0:21:09 central government and told them look 10
0:21:11 days ago this happened why I what what
0:21:13 what have you done about this said they
0:21:16 did they did nothing so on the 5th of
0:21:18 July 2009 the we're peacefully and they
0:21:23 were met with gunfire they literally
0:21:26 were met with the [ __ ] square but
0:21:29 the East Turkestan version of square for
0:21:32 that next year we had no internet access
0:21:35 with them and so they were able to round
0:21:38 up people killed we estimate anywhere
0:21:40 between 10 to 20 thousand of our youth
0:21:43 were slaughtered many of my family
0:21:46 members but many of my friends who
0:21:50 living overseas
0:21:51 most of them lost family members and
0:21:55 your family members now I'm not and they
0:21:59 would not get in contact with me because
0:22:01 one I'm overseas and two I'm an activist
0:22:04 as well big no-no
0:22:06 so I did go to East Turkestan post 2009
0:22:10 and it was different even I was being
0:22:12 checked before I wasn't checked at the
0:22:14 border they
0:22:14 I was going through little things but
0:22:17 when I got there when I was hooking to
0:22:19 the people they would be like you know
0:22:20 what you should stay in the big city
0:22:22 doesn't go to the little other little
0:22:24 towns because each time that you go to
0:22:27 you're going to be registered and there
0:22:29 has to be like what you said like a
0:22:30 caffeine or like like a guarantor they
0:22:33 have to take care of you and if you if
0:22:35 you're out of place if you do anything
0:22:37 wrong they get in trouble and simply me
0:22:41 being there and staying at a wig is home
0:22:43 in itself is very dangerous it's not at
0:22:46 the danger now where you're not allowed
0:22:48 to stay at just any random person's home
0:22:50 for a foreigner now you can't just stay
0:22:52 at people's homes I think you have to
0:22:53 register at a hotel so yeah so I post
0:23:00 2009 it's it's it's slowly been like
0:23:03 they're the the cultural filter or what
0:23:07 your what your able to say what you're
0:23:09 able to do whether it be on social media
0:23:11 or just arm Street has been slowly your
0:23:14 freedoms are slowly slowly being taken
0:23:16 away but every ten years since 1949
0:23:19 there's always been like a culling of
0:23:21 the wiggers now and so yeah so that's
0:23:25 the second type of can the third type of
0:23:27 camp is and that is an actual prison or
0:23:30 you're actually sentenced your Center
0:23:33 for for I wouldn't say reasons I would
0:23:36 say excuses so it would be like you are
0:23:39 praying okay ten years um you you were
0:23:43 using whatsapp or you had very come
0:23:50 people get any some people get twenty so
0:23:52 some people say oh they gathered people
0:23:55 in their home to pray that they were
0:23:59 praying say a shot together so the
0:24:02 little things like is for owning a Koran
0:24:04 for saying salaam-o-alaikum for saying
0:24:06 and for example if you tell someone and
0:24:08 they overhear brother don't do that
0:24:10 Haram that you know that in itself is a
0:24:13 crime and you have to be that there is a
0:24:18 cancer there is a tumor in your mind and
0:24:20 this is quoting the Chinese government
0:24:22 I'm not saying to Mayan cancer from my
0:24:23 mind from their documents that were
0:24:26 leaked last year they said
0:24:28 is to mana is cancer which is Islam
0:24:31 needs to be removed these people have
0:24:34 been extreme effects trimmed and then
0:24:37 the fourth type of sort of camp is the
0:24:40 fourth labor where people they say well
0:24:43 this uneducated youth we have to give
0:24:45 them jobs but when you talk to these
0:24:47 people they were earning anywhere
0:24:49 between one thousand one thousand five
0:24:50 hundred US dollars which is good money
0:24:52 and now they're down to that 200
0:24:54 American dollars that they're making and
0:24:56 and and the main narrative that the
0:24:58 Chinese give is we gotta educate the
0:25:00 youth there are no Chinese that are not
0:25:02 the law but they're locking up even 40
0:25:04 year-olds 50 year old six-year-olds as I
0:25:06 mentioned my own father-in-law who is a
0:25:08 famous actor and comedian you've simply
0:25:11 type in his name into YouTube his name
0:25:13 is Arden VG Adi elves face mi JIT is a
0:25:17 everyone knows him is the equivalent to
0:25:19 Jim Carrey or Michael McIntyre in the UK
0:25:21 even he was placed in a camp and he
0:25:25 studied with Xi Jinping's wife at the
0:25:28 central academy of drama and arts in
0:25:30 Beijing in the mid 80s
0:25:31 so people who code this the CCP line
0:25:35 were even sent to these camps and are
0:25:37 still amazed and he was lucky enough to
0:25:40 be released last September but he has
0:25:43 still not called us in Turkey it's very
0:25:49 bleak you know and very horrible to be
0:25:54 honest you know image that you've given
0:25:57 us of what's going on people will be
0:26:00 wondering now what can we do about this
0:26:02 I mean what are the steps while the
0:26:05 productive steps we can use to move
0:26:07 forward and how can we follow your work
0:26:11 in particular and help you with your
0:26:13 what you're doing so basically what we
0:26:16 do is we we basically do our work from
0:26:20 Twitter and Facebook and we also team up
0:26:23 with other activists as well and also
0:26:26 Western organizations like Amnesty
0:26:28 International Human Rights Watch and so
0:26:32 you gotta imagine that these
0:26:33 organizations if there was really a
0:26:35 terror issue or an extreme issue they
0:26:37 wouldn't come near us at all if this was
0:26:39 really the case on Visa Western elite
0:26:41 organized
0:26:42 human rights organization yes so we work
0:26:48 so we work specifically with say groups
0:26:51 like the world with Congress or we get
0:26:53 Human Rights Project so and - so we feed
0:26:57 off each other we share each other's
0:26:58 work we talk in different
0:27:01 what is your is your Twitter so my
0:27:04 Twitter is add arts Lancer ARS LAN
0:27:08 underscore he diet HIV aya tea and the
0:27:12 Facebook pages talk to is Turkestan it's
0:27:15 the most popular Weger Facebook page and
0:27:18 the only reason why we got home ela cork
0:27:22 - East Turkestan it's like - number 2 or
0:27:27 T oh yeah okay yeah yeah Facebook or you
0:27:35 can just type in my name and you see me
0:27:36 all that Google anyway yes they can see
0:27:42 you on the screen as well yes so we were
0:27:46 talking about how important social media
0:27:48 is so I'll just tell you a little story
0:27:49 what happened last year I want everyone
0:27:52 to look up the term 50 cent social media
0:27:55 army you can google this and this is
0:27:57 literally 50 cent social media army and
0:28:01 if you simply google this you will see
0:28:03 the money that the Chinese that the
0:28:06 Chinese government pays its citizens to
0:28:09 basically from writing comments and
0:28:11 posting comments supporting or anti
0:28:14 wigger or antique tibetan or anti hong
0:28:17 kong to go against these movements from
0:28:20 making videos saying you know
0:28:24 stay strong UK you know you know you'll
0:28:27 get over the coronavirus and all this so
0:28:30 we got these people they attacked our
0:28:32 page all right with comments and
0:28:34 bringing down our rating and they posted
0:28:37 it and they SH and they got written by
0:28:39 the club Global Times which is a Chinese
0:28:42 CCP Channel which boosted our what he
0:28:47 call it our presence CNN got in touch
0:28:50 with us and you can find these articles
0:28:51 on CNN talking about how our page was it
0:28:56 before you when you say us who are you
0:28:58 talking about in particular also me and
0:29:02 there is another Brotherhood given in
0:29:03 sabe we run East Turkestan talk these
0:29:06 two stand together
0:29:07 right yeah and so through the Facebook
0:29:12 page yeah and and so they promoted a
0:29:16 page and basically what I'm trying to
0:29:18 say is for the Chinese mentality of the
0:29:22 of the Chinese government is that they
0:29:25 want to save face so even little
0:29:28 Facebook I mean we've only got like
0:29:29 60,000 followers little Facebook pages
0:29:32 like us the Chinese regime finds us a
0:29:37 threat and we'll find anyone who speaks
0:29:40 about the Whig issue the the Tibetan
0:29:43 issue or any other oppressed peoples in
0:29:46 China no matter how small you are they
0:29:49 will try and ridicule you or or they'll
0:29:51 make you as fake with spreading fake
0:29:53 news and our argument has always been
0:29:56 what if we're so fake let us in let the
0:29:58 people in let the likes of yourself in
0:30:01 and talk to the people why are PR are
0:30:05 the week to week is get in trouble get
0:30:07 put in jail for talking to journalists
0:30:09 and so so don't think that what we do on
0:30:15 social media or others don't social
0:30:16 media every little bit hashtagging
0:30:18 sharing the material that we've got
0:30:20 listening to us telling your friends and
0:30:23 family
0:30:24 it may seem small but it's really huge
0:30:26 and we just need people to be aware of
0:30:29 this because in a few days time
0:30:31 inshallah to Allah Ramadan is starting
0:30:33 and like what a few moments ago you are
0:30:35 comparing the raw anger and but I am I
0:30:39 always compare also philistine because
0:30:42 in philistine inshallah may Allah
0:30:44 relieve the Dunham's of the Palestinian
0:30:47 brothers and sisters from the Israeli
0:30:50 Zionists but to now the Palestinians
0:30:52 will still be able to fast this Ramadan
0:30:55 they will still be able to wear the
0:30:56 hijab they'll still have the beard
0:30:58 they'll still be able to pray they'll
0:31:00 still be able to read advance they'll
0:31:02 still be able to give their kids Muslim
0:31:05 names they'll still be able to read
0:31:06 Arabic talking Arabic
0:31:09 still be able to protest they'll still
0:31:12 be able to call their Dell and
0:31:14 Philistine in Phyllis the word is
0:31:18 Turkestan is banned in East Turkestan if
0:31:21 the word itself what we're doing now is
0:31:24 illegal if we were enjoying in strictest
0:31:27 time right now so I would like people to
0:31:29 think about these things ahead of
0:31:31 Ramadan yeah well I mean I was just
0:31:35 having a conversation with Chomsky
0:31:36 yesterday yeah he said something which I
0:31:40 think we can end with which is and you
0:31:44 know it's very important to first note
0:31:46 before before I do that that I've been
0:31:49 enlightened by I love what you said I
0:31:50 want to thank you for coming on the show
0:31:52 and I want to thank you once again I
0:31:54 want to reiterate your Twitter what was
0:31:56 that again ad artist lon so my name the
0:32:00 ars lan underscore he died at hid a y8e
0:32:06 and the Facebook poke is talk to his
0:32:09 cookie stop so he said using social
0:32:12 media if we don't use it you know the
0:32:15 biggest erases will so this is you know
0:32:19 in a manner for us to to put this this
0:32:21 case forward and and this is a very
0:32:24 important thing that needs to be
0:32:26 highlighted
0:32:26 but it's investigated by Western media
0:32:29 streams I thank you again for coming on
0:32:32 the show and for enlightening us
0:32:35 historical perspective it's surely
0:32:38 enough from a political one as well
0:32:40 thank you very much arsalan today it
0:32:42 thank you for having me