Child Marriage in Islam ? (2019-10-13) #

0:00:08 no no no when the pom-poms our son was
0:00:11 alive there was no need for anyone else
0:00:13 to be able to buy the finished you
0:00:32 realize an attempt on the discussion
0:00:46 that I'm a different person what I'm
0:00:48 saying to you
0:00:49 let me be clear 6511 your head yeah well
0:00:53 let me hide the ones who are never had
0:00:54 men straight before if we say that this
0:00:57 means what powers are premature freed I
0:01:00 have not had periods before yeah we can
0:01:03 accept this no problem
0:01:04 yeah I'll accept that purse at that
0:01:06 interpretation I'll say fine what does
0:01:08 it say in the verse that they can have
0:01:10 sex with the man it doesn't say that
0:01:12 I've SAT before the Quran max explicitly
0:01:14 clear in total no it says that if in the
0:01:20 Quran it says that if you have touched
0:01:22 her then you have if you have touched
0:01:24 her then you don't have to give her my
0:01:25 heart back in other words her dowry back
0:01:27 if you haven't touched her then and you
0:01:29 divorce her then you know you don't have
0:01:31 to get you give them a model back in
0:01:33 other words it's conceivable - excuse me
0:01:36 it's conceivable to marry and not touch
0:01:39 yeah and that is a form of marriage
0:01:40 which existed is actually not a marriage
0:01:43 it's a in vernacular term to refer to as
0:01:46 the contract of some sort so I'm saying
0:01:49 is it's not
0:01:55 yeah so I'm saying about sex exactly
0:01:57 thank you very much someone who
0:01:59 understands a little bomb fantasy so
0:02:00 here
0:02:01 yeah that's fine just leave em he says
0:02:05 chat he's a young he's a young man
0:02:06 obviously all the ladies are very
0:02:08 attractive very attractive okay so
0:02:18 having said that what I'm trying to say
0:02:20 is this is that so when the quran says
0:02:22 were lemme ahead this is that if we put
0:02:25 Jamar at Villa we'll put all the leaves
0:02:27 together which we have to tell apart the
0:02:29 same method then you'll find that the
0:02:32 Koran says yes the ones you who have
0:02:36 never had before you but it also says
0:02:39 hadith says Allah Allah Allah Allah
0:02:40 which is the high that which means you
0:02:42 can't harm or reciprocity which is the
0:02:45 principle that everyone uses to say that
0:02:47 you can't have intercourse work with
0:02:49 someone professional unable the second
0:02:51 thing they use is
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0:03:37 we had this discussion before that some
0:03:40 things are not like the Constitution the
0:03:43 Quran is like the Constitution and the
0:03:44 hadith is like the laws so what yeah you
0:03:48 need elaboration that's why I say to
0:03:50 kana load I actually made this argument
0:03:51 you're making I said that if you only
0:03:53 took a Quranic understanding then it
0:03:55 would be permissible for you to have sex
0:03:56 with minors we wait to get away from
0:03:59 that is to have hadith expire expansion
0:04:02 if you only took the Quran you're right
0:04:04 if the Quran was the only thing I have a
0:04:06 video on this with carnal owners if you
0:04:09 only looked at the Quran based on the
0:04:11 version of Quran 65 for it would be
0:04:13 permissible to have sex with minors but
0:04:16 what I'm saying is that we don't just
0:04:17 say Quran so we take ADIZ and as a
0:04:20 result of that because of the actions of
0:04:22 a prophet and he's saying that you can't
0:04:23 harm anyone the jurists have says for
0:04:26 example I've mentioned with dairy in his
0:04:27 book aliens off and his chapter of
0:04:29 Hadoop he mentions anyone who has sex
0:04:31 with someone who's under the age of
0:04:34 puberty yeah we merge there whipped so
0:04:39 another words they flogged in public now
0:04:41 there's a question is it the scholars he
0:04:43 said the humblest call is there
0:04:44 different some said that is they all
0:04:45 whipped and some say they're not with
0:04:47 the point is this is that why is he
0:04:48 talking about punishment in marriage
0:04:50 yeah so so this is something what I'm
0:04:53 saying is Islam is actually the only
0:04:54 religion and my understanding is first
0:04:56 of the Abrahamic religions which makes
0:04:58 it so explicitly clear that in fact
0:05:01 having intercourse with unable people
0:05:02 where would I be - or not by the way
0:05:04 because there could be someone who's a
0:05:05 mental mentally ill or by the way like
0:05:07 in the law now can I ask you a question
0:05:09 how I have sex of a 75 year old me yeah
0:05:12 it's legal but if I had I guarantee if I
0:05:15 have sex with oh sorry sorry but no from
0:05:17 me serve some more okay no sir you so no
0:05:20 no not me listen what I'm saying is what
0:05:23 is it illegal
0:05:24 no it's Haram though is Haram
0:05:29 what I'm saying is that the
0:05:33 one-size-fits-all policy of okay 1560 a
0:05:36 model I don't care about that I'm not
0:05:38 even against the age of consent but I'm
0:05:40 saying that they should be it should be
0:05:41 more nuanced look no problem I'm saying
0:05:45 it's more nuanced innocence I'm saying
0:05:51 that look in the day and age we live in
0:05:52 now I actually would I would put it to
0:05:55 you and I made this argument before of
0:05:56 Ali we said that look because there's
0:05:58 more than one factor would write as a
0:06:00 marriage that had control which means
0:06:02 ability it's a matter of issue had mr.
0:06:04 Walker if she had means scholarly
0:06:06 ability and to to the son just won't
0:06:15 forget
0:06:20 some places only needs exegesis and the
0:06:23 scholars come together and you said some
0:06:24 Arabic words and they come together in
0:06:26 it so I am asking over timing so at the
0:06:28 time of the Prophet obviously there
0:06:30 weren't huge schools of scholars there
0:06:33 were just hundreds and they should do as
0:06:48 well here's what here's what people that
0:06:51 understand here's what people are
0:06:52 understand about I just wanted to say to
0:06:54 you before his long assist you look
0:06:56 every environment is different okay
0:06:57 Islam is not the Islamic rule is not a
0:07:00 rock in the sense that it's unmarriable
0:07:01 unflexible and in the sense this there
0:07:05 is a degree of elasticity and that's
0:07:07 what our soul is all about is to see
0:07:09 okay what works well in this situation
0:07:11 what counts as harm in this situation
0:07:13 what counts as necessity in this
0:07:15 situation and the answers to that
0:07:16 question is different so for me now if
0:07:18 you if I bring someone my man
0:07:21 I say look we've go to a primary school
0:07:24 year six yeah yes sir five years ago we
0:07:28 have five year six yeah ten eleven year
0:07:30 olds yeah if we go to those ages and
0:07:32 I've shown you I promise you anywhere in
0:07:35 London anyway the UK or any of these
0:07:37 kids ready for marriage
0:07:38 absolutely not what the fingers are sick
0:07:40 mind you don't know but my name is
0:07:51 Manuel be honest yeah
0:07:52 all right so me a new wife the reason
0:07:55 why is this interest we would both say
0:07:57 that contradicts your ability yeah so I
0:07:59 would harm them yes okay anything that
0:08:01 harms or anybody is I'm not allowed
0:08:03 married yeah it's not allowed alright so
0:08:05 because the the Qaeda that we have which
0:08:08 is similar to our liberal fingers
0:08:13 women should join this is what I say to
0:08:15 you look this is what Porsche real
0:08:17 consequentialism yeah question why is it
0:08:20 wrong to have sex or one euro second for
0:08:43 now I'm sorry to say but we love Jesus
0:08:45 as well now we do it's the same person
0:08:49 what is it for now listen discussion all
0:08:56 right Baz message Jesus is that look if
0:08:59 it's you're saying it's wrong primarily
0:09:02 because of the harm the consequences of
0:09:04 it perfect I totally agree with you
0:09:09 right so all I'm saying is that if this
0:09:11 I love will call a positive reasoning
0:09:13 did not exist and it wouldn't be wrong
0:09:17 perfect so it's consequentially wrong if
0:09:27 you can ensure it something which is
0:09:28 partially wrong something which is
0:09:30 intuitively wrong is not always it's not
0:09:32 as always categorically wrong
0:09:34 now you can have something like let me
0:09:35 explain you could have something which
0:09:37 is intuitively wrong
0:09:38 what consequentially well you can have
0:09:39 something what it's consequentially
0:09:43 wrong which means it's the 1 because X Y
0:09:44 Z you can explain why right now I'm
0:09:48 saying that with that explanation I
0:09:50 agree with you if you don't have that
0:09:52 explanation I then we say it's not one
0:09:54 anymore therefore therefore therefore
0:09:56 I'm one positing to use a scientific
0:09:58 approach I'm saying to you that if the
0:10:01 person's age is 15
0:10:03 yeah it could be wrong depending on that
0:10:06 person if she's 16 it could be wrong I'm
0:10:11 Kimora Lee morally look if you've got a
0:10:13 16 year old I'm saying it could be wrong
0:10:15 yeah and it could be right yeah
0:10:17 depending on that person only just that
0:10:21 person themselves it could be it could
0:10:24 be wrong could be wrong right depends on
0:10:26 what the variable depends what if it
0:10:28 harms them or not what legal is a
0:10:33 different story that's a different
0:10:35 reason
0:10:38 no problem in this case that's in this
0:10:42 country by the way yeah 14:12
0:10:47 yeah no problem so having said one
0:10:49 person exactly no problem so what I'm
0:10:52 saying to you is this is that if you say
0:10:55 it's wrong because of your hum factor
0:10:57 yeah yeah yeah perfect yeah I'm saying
0:11:00 to you I agree with you look Islamic
0:11:02 roots of you yeah Islamic rules of you
0:11:03 so I'm saying so long as that cause is
0:11:05 not there no more then we can't say it's
0:11:08 wrong no society is decided like you
0:11:20 said because if you really think about
0:11:25 that hey you know when did this change
0:11:27 it changed my it 29 yeah yeah when you
0:11:29 had the Marriage Act change before 2012
0:11:32 too
0:11:34 women didn't venture right anyway into
0:11:36 no problem
0:11:37 but the point is here's what I'm saying
0:11:40 to you before the age of 40 year 1929
0:11:42 before that parrot a legal paradigm
0:11:44 shift no no it was 12 years old yeah if
0:11:47 you look at the Marriage Act 1929 with
0:11:49 12 years old before that time what I'm
0:11:52 saying to you is that was it the case
0:11:53 that all women that were having
0:11:54 intercourse at that age were harmed
0:12:01 correct
0:12:02 it's just there's no need for that you
0:12:04 can't prove the opposite no the burden
0:12:07 of proof is on the one who's making the
0:12:08 claim yeah I'm making it that you're
0:12:10 asking the question were they all
0:12:12 damaged and I would say okay um not
0:12:14 maybe some ridiculous you're still
0:12:34 thinking ease quickly no no I'm not
0:12:38 saying that I've all I'm saying to you
0:12:39 look if you get an 11 year olds
0:12:41 testimony at the in the know but then if
0:12:52 you're saying no no problem but if
0:12:55 you're saying that is the case that
0:12:56 there was a wide-scale epidemic harm of
0:12:59 women because of that or men for them
0:13:01 are you know what you have to finish
0:13:06 this point the point is that this is and
0:13:17 one thing is you can't possibly prove
0:13:20 all women under the age of 16 are
0:13:22 definitely not having said that if you
0:13:25 go to what you have to do is a story and
0:13:27 then this is I'll let me give you
0:13:29 someone and you mind if I just finished
0:13:33 the sentence please
0:13:35 right now I just have me finish the
0:13:37 sentence then you can say what you want
0:13:38 what I'm saying is this is that if you
0:13:41 wanted to do a historical project which
0:13:43 is done in many universities in London
0:13:45 in the UK in the US and in the Western
0:13:47 world the effect of let's say preteen
0:13:51 marriage yeah for the sake of argument
0:13:53 the effects a preteen marry pre teen
0:13:55 marriage on women or girls or whatever
0:13:58 on females mutual language no no just
0:14:09 let me finish something and you would
0:14:11 have to like what I'm telling you what
0:14:13 you would do academically you do you'd
0:14:14 make good
0:14:16 no I'm giving an example right so you'd
0:14:20 have something like the effects of
0:14:21 preteen marriage on X Society and go on
0:14:25 females and exercise from a from time x6
0:14:28 time why then you have to go and get
0:14:30 micro historical reports of like diary
0:14:31 entries err I'm also her harmed and
0:14:34 wherever now I'm saying to you if you
0:14:37 can produce this evidence and actually
0:14:39 take it to consideration account that's
0:14:43 the point
0:14:43 that's impossible right exactly
0:14:45 brilliant so we're come to conclusion
0:14:47 now so if it's not all then it's
0:14:49 conceivable possibly that a thousand
0:14:51 years ago that attended nine ten year
0:14:53 olds would not be harmed in these ways
0:14:55 that's that's what I'm saying that's
0:14:58 always aim
0:15:48 okay guys ready okay
0:15:53 the Prophet was married I should have
0:15:56 Cynthia okay before the Prophet cosmic
0:15:59 marriage at 9 it is no problem we want
0:16:03 to make her gets a big 8 you know 7 huh
0:16:06 yeah okay okay okay now we believe we
0:16:17 believe we're support this is very easy
0:16:22 it's the Prophet because I saw at the
0:16:25 age of seven this brothers you can see
0:16:29 in action right because firstly the for
0:16:31 marriage contract secondly the Prophet
0:16:33 divorced her before she was menstruating
0:16:35 yeah so there's no argument here that
0:16:38 the Quran says that you can mate
0:16:44 he's been freedom he's going through
0:16:47 other scholars at Huntsman unsealed you
0:16:49 very clearly the prophets marriage -
0:16:50 Aisha you know where he says the inter
0:16:52 period for a girl that's not
0:16:53 menstruating argument okay
0:17:28 the Prophet married I shot at 6:00 and
0:17:31 he consummated at night if we believe
0:17:34 that she started means to another area
0:17:35 it's the public divorce turn at the age
0:17:38 of seven she is a woman that's been
0:17:40 divorced dies Norman's treating they
0:17:43 said his cross
0:18:05 yeah
0:18:33 so what seems lunar but you guys are
0:18:36 trying to see that ones thank you guys
0:18:41 very much so in the Quran it says that
0:18:44 will reward and it's led by Jose
0:19:06 so understand you can
0:19:21 [Laughter]