Diet, Self-defence, Khamzat Chimaev and Philosophy. MH Podcast - Firas Zahabi (2022-03-29) ​

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0:00:26 assalamu alaikum
0:00:28 welcome to another episode of the mh
0:00:30 podcast the most irregular podcast
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0:00:36 uh than the infamous the legendary for
0:00:39 us zahabi or the habi you would say
0:00:42 properly in the arabic languages man
0:00:44 just for those who don't know just a
0:00:46 quick introduction probably one of the
0:00:48 most notorious
0:00:49 and celebrated mma coaches in the world
0:00:52 today
0:00:53 has coached john st pierre who's
0:00:56 noted as seen as the pound-for-pound
0:00:59 best fighter in the world rory mcdonald
0:01:00 and other fighters
0:01:02 as well um he's um the head coach at
0:01:05 tristar gym a gym which is seen as one
0:01:08 of the best gyms
0:01:09 for mma from his martial arts in the
0:01:11 entire world at least in the top five or
0:01:13 top 10 at least
0:01:15 been ranked like that and um and also a
0:01:18 philosopher in his own right and someone
0:01:20 who's uh
0:01:21 has uh has contributed quite strongly i
0:01:23 think in the in the public discourse on
0:01:25 the youtube scene in the last two to
0:01:28 three years for us how are you doing
0:01:30 thank you for having me oh it's a
0:01:32 pleasure to actually be able to see you
0:01:33 in the flesh
0:01:35 you know finally you know you're in here
0:01:36 my flesh
0:01:38 you know
0:01:39 there's a lot to talk to you about um
0:01:41 and i'm just thinking where to start
0:01:43 um and what we usually talk about we
0:01:45 usually talk about feel philosophical
0:01:46 issues and i'm sure we will i mean we
0:01:48 are going to talk about that today as
0:01:50 well um
0:01:51 but what i wanted to start by talking to
0:01:54 you about really was something quite imp
0:01:56 important for the muslim community and
0:01:58 for many computers communities are going
0:02:00 to be watching this relating to health
0:02:01 and fitness we've had these kind of
0:02:02 conversations when we're having lunch as
0:02:04 well
0:02:05 but i think some of the gems that you
0:02:06 were kind of putting forward to us need
0:02:09 to be
0:02:10 said to the public
0:02:11 now
0:02:12 a lot of us nowadays we we have so many
0:02:15 diet plans to choose from
0:02:17 we've got the carnivorous diet we have
0:02:19 the ketogenic diet we have uh vegan
0:02:22 vegan diet uh you know we have calorie
0:02:24 deficit we have you know fat fat deficit
0:02:27 so many deficits so many different diets
0:02:30 uh it's intermittent fasting has become
0:02:32 really big there's so many different
0:02:34 youtubers now that are on the scene that
0:02:36 given their own diet plans
0:02:38 this is becoming so confusing now mm-hmm
0:02:41 honestly it's i'm speaking from
0:02:43 experience when you it's almost as if
0:02:46 now there's competing schools of thought
0:02:48 you have the keto school of thought
0:02:49 where everything keto is good you know
0:02:52 and you have people that you know the
0:02:53 solution
0:02:54 to everything is ketogenic diet and
0:02:56 intermittent fasting and then you have
0:02:57 other people that say no actually no
0:02:59 this is nonsense let's go the opposite
0:03:00 way
0:03:01 or the carnivorous diet which is quite
0:03:03 close to quito
0:03:05 what do we do
0:03:07 i would say i love uh there's a paul
0:03:08 check quote that i absolutely love he
0:03:10 says look we're as different on the
0:03:11 inside as we are on the outside it's
0:03:13 such an important quote because it's
0:03:14 true look at the differences we have on
0:03:15 the outside you're not everybody's gonna
0:03:18 react the same way to the same diet
0:03:21 so there's some exploration now i i
0:03:23 personally think that
0:03:25 you should
0:03:26 try to choose a diet that you can live
0:03:27 with for the rest of your life
0:03:30 so if me personally i can't do keto i
0:03:32 can do keto for a little while then i
0:03:34 get bored of it i want to eat
0:03:35 carbohydrates i have i'm drawn to
0:03:36 carbohydrates i love carbohydrates
0:03:39 so my diet is is mostly high carb low
0:03:42 fat
0:03:43 really yeah i'm more high carb low fat i
0:03:45 perform better i've experimented with
0:03:47 different diets i'm more comfortable
0:03:49 with why does protein fit into that five
0:03:51 cell um i have i have proteins but if i
0:03:53 want to lean up i go more towards egg
0:03:55 whites egg whites are high protein low
0:03:57 fat so i want a low fat source chicken
0:03:59 breast a low fat source of
0:04:01 uh
0:04:03 flesh foods proteins so as a percentage
0:04:05 let's just kind of give this a visual if
0:04:07 a hundred percent is you've got carbs i
0:04:09 mean this is simplistic but you've got
0:04:10 carbs proteins and protein uh
0:04:12 fats and proteins right
0:04:14 what kind of percentage are we looking
0:04:15 at here i would say 70 percent is carbs
0:04:18 i eat a lot but i train a lot if you
0:04:20 train less you don't need that many
0:04:21 carbs now these keto guys i think this
0:04:23 guy's uh you're crazy these guys
0:04:25 you guys
0:04:27 don't forget i'm in a glycogenic sport
0:04:29 that means i need i primarily use
0:04:31 carbohydrates
0:04:32 for fuel right okay so it's normal if
0:04:34 i'm gonna wake up in the morning and go
0:04:35 wrestle and i'm gonna go at night
0:04:37 wrestle again you need a lot of
0:04:38 carbohydrates yes you don't need so much
0:04:40 carbohydrates if you're just working
0:04:42 behind the desk i would tell you get
0:04:43 your carbs from greens eat more greens
0:04:45 when i say carbs i mean starches and
0:04:47 keto ketones are not a substitute for
0:04:49 carbohydrates you're saying no not at
0:04:51 all because ketones
0:04:53 see if your body wants to metabolize fat
0:04:55 for energy it takes longer there's a
0:04:57 longer process
0:04:58 so if you're wrestling and you want to
0:05:00 grab a guy and lift them up in the air
0:05:01 you need the energy now you need
0:05:02 glycogen in your muscle the glycogen in
0:05:04 your muscle gets transformed to energy
0:05:06 immediately when the muscle contracts it
0:05:09 uses that that
0:05:11 that energy that's stored in the muscle
0:05:12 itself
0:05:13 if you're running a marathon if you're
0:05:15 doing aerobic work
0:05:17 it's lower intensity then your body can
0:05:20 use fats very successfully so you have
0:05:22 aerobic champions in aerobic sports that
0:05:24 only uh work on fats but there are no
0:05:26 sprinters 100-meter sprinters
0:05:28 high-intensity athletes that work only
0:05:30 on fats it doesn't exist
0:05:32 so what sport are you in this is very
0:05:34 important yeah you'll never see a guy
0:05:36 who's high fat low carb doesn't carb up
0:05:39 the day of the 100 meter race now
0:05:40 sometimes they do it
0:05:42 it's a bit complicated sometimes they go
0:05:44 on a short phase of ketogenic like mma
0:05:46 fighters will go on a ketogenic diet low
0:05:48 carb diet just to drop the water
0:05:50 because
0:05:51 the way your body stores carbs is one
0:05:53 part carbohydrate or one part glycogen
0:05:55 actually i should say
0:05:56 three parts water so you have a lot of
0:05:58 water
0:05:58 when you eat carbs you retain more water
0:06:00 so we temporarily take away their carbs
0:06:02 let them shed that water
0:06:04 they lose weight after the weigh-in we
0:06:06 carved them up okay so to keep this
0:06:08 really simple look what kind of sport
0:06:10 are you in if you're in a sport that's
0:06:11 high-intensity eat carbs now i think
0:06:13 everybody should like i think the vast
0:06:15 majority of people will do well on what
0:06:17 they call a book called the starch
0:06:19 solution
0:06:20 you eat
0:06:21 it's a it's basically i'm not vegan okay
0:06:23 but i'm i'm
0:06:25 i don't believe we need so much animal
0:06:27 products okay there's a animal products
0:06:29 are really pushed on us because
0:06:31 i think it's it's big business right i
0:06:34 do believe in eating meat i think you
0:06:35 can have a deficiency on vegan diet long
0:06:36 term you can have problems what do you
0:06:38 think of just on this point what do you
0:06:39 think of the arguments that are being
0:06:41 put by many who kind of have a vegan
0:06:43 diet um the chi i think the china study
0:06:46 whatever of the meat and they say it's
0:06:48 um it brings you know there's a
0:06:50 correlation between cancer for example
0:06:52 um
0:06:54 to what extent do you kind of look at is
0:06:55 it meat or excessive amounts of meat
0:06:57 that's why i differentiate okay i think
0:06:59 eating meat three times a day is crazy i
0:07:00 think it's insane you might as well be a
0:07:02 smoker right okay you don't need that
0:07:04 much meat okay now i like to eat meat
0:07:06 when we're sitting around in a social
0:07:08 gathering okay somebody cooked meat
0:07:09 let's eat it and that includes fish by
0:07:11 the way
0:07:12 every type of animal product right even
0:07:14 if it's even
0:07:15 eggs and cheese every single animal
0:07:18 product mass-produced product in in one
0:07:20 way or another they they've
0:07:22 i hate to use the word poisoned it but
0:07:23 they they've done some bad things to it
0:07:26 yes you can get away
0:07:27 around it because
0:07:29 if you want to mass produce it they have
0:07:31 to mess with it
0:07:34 that's almost true of all our foods but
0:07:35 grains rice oatmeal pastas
0:07:39 if you have if you if you take in low
0:07:41 fat high carb you won't get fat just
0:07:43 like you won't get fat if you do high
0:07:45 fat low carb you could do it the other
0:07:47 way around
0:07:48 i prefer
0:07:49 high carb low fat because i'm in a
0:07:51 glycogen export i need that glycogen and
0:07:52 i feel full and satisfied one book i
0:07:54 really recommend is the starch
0:07:57 starch solution by john mcdougall
0:08:00 i think it's a fantastic book i think
0:08:01 people should try it
0:08:03 because you'll feel
0:08:04 very very good however i do believe he
0:08:06 goes too far i'm more of a nutritarian
0:08:08 like a joel furman where he gives you a
0:08:10 little more allowance of fat and meat
0:08:13 i think you should have meat once a day
0:08:16 if you're very active even once a week
0:08:17 from once a day to once but once a day
0:08:19 is too much even i think way too much
0:08:21 and if you eat meat should be like a
0:08:22 deck of cards not more
0:08:24 we eat too much animal products now look
0:08:26 my favorite thing to eat and for me is
0:08:28 steak so sometimes i make myself a nice
0:08:30 juicy steak i treat myself once in a
0:08:32 while
0:08:33 but you got to start equating steak with
0:08:36 like smoking would you do it every day
0:08:38 no i would do three times a day no like
0:08:40 be careful with eating meat it's not
0:08:41 healthy long term now a great example of
0:08:44 this is the okinawans the okinawans are
0:08:46 mainly vegan they eat sweet potato rice
0:08:48 vegetable and they eat fresh foods once
0:08:51 a month
0:08:54 so
0:08:55 how do we know all this well we observe
0:08:58 different uh different uh cultures how
0:09:00 they ate
0:09:02 like for instance the the inuits they
0:09:04 only eat fish
0:09:06 the age the the past in the united
0:09:08 states of the past today they have more
0:09:09 modern foods okay but
0:09:10 back in the day they used to eat mostly
0:09:12 fish you know they live in the arctic
0:09:14 yeah there's no uh grains there's no
0:09:16 vegetables good point here they never
0:09:18 die of heart disease because they're
0:09:19 eating fish but they die of cancer
0:09:22 so we know that too much eating
0:09:25 flesh foods can lead to cancer again
0:09:27 there's always more elements there's
0:09:28 always more to the story it's always
0:09:30 more complicated however there is a
0:09:31 there is a correlation between eating
0:09:33 fresh foods
0:09:35 and cancer
0:09:37 so and and many other ailments so i
0:09:38 would tell you that personally from my
0:09:41 researches and studying this for so many
0:09:42 years i would tell you that
0:09:46 i'm not vegan because i think also
0:09:47 veganism will lead to problems yeah
0:09:50 vitamin deficiency problems yeah calcium
0:09:52 deficiency
0:09:53 loss of muscle okay they try to say no
0:09:55 you don't need it i don't i've i believe
0:09:57 you lose muscle i would love to debate
0:09:58 somebody who who says it different
0:10:00 because you can get your proteins on a
0:10:02 plant diet but it's hard it's difficult
0:10:04 most people won't do it right it's
0:10:06 complicated that's my point it's complex
0:10:08 vegan diet you have to you have to be
0:10:09 you have to know so much about
0:10:11 everything it's very complicated so i
0:10:13 don't recommend it but i recommend
0:10:16 because you see when the animal eats
0:10:17 certain nutrients and you eat that
0:10:19 animal you get those nutrients
0:10:22 make it simple just eat a serving of
0:10:24 meat two to three times a week and again
0:10:26 it can vary some people will do better
0:10:28 on one portion of meat a week some
0:10:30 people do better on one portion of meat
0:10:32 per month you have to experiment
0:10:34 so me when i feel my best is when i have
0:10:37 meat let's say three times a week and
0:10:38 i'm talking about small portions of meat
0:10:40 that's when i'm feeling my best i feel
0:10:41 the most energy i feel the most active i
0:10:43 feel the most lean i feel the most
0:10:45 vibrant
0:10:46 so
0:10:47 there's a lot to say with cutting out
0:10:49 animal products but people are so
0:10:51 conditioned that if they don't eat
0:10:52 animal products something bad is going
0:10:53 to happen it's not true it's actually
0:10:55 the opposite when you lower your animal
0:10:56 products
0:10:58 your cardio will go up your well-being
0:11:00 will go up your energy will go up
0:11:01 everything will go up you don't need so
0:11:04 much flesh food
0:11:07 and so so okay you've kind of alluded to
0:11:10 the fact that going vegan sometimes is i
0:11:13 mean maybe i'm reading this wrong but
0:11:14 being being vegan sometimes is a good
0:11:16 thing
0:11:17 but you've also said that we need meat
0:11:19 so how would you play it so you got 52
0:11:20 weeks in a year
0:11:22 you got 365 days do you do it in such a
0:11:24 way that okay like your one week on one
0:11:26 week off or how do you how would you
0:11:27 play it i would i would recommend people
0:11:29 try eating meat if you eat meat every
0:11:31 day yeah try to even eat three three
0:11:34 portions a week now lower it then go to
0:11:37 once a week
0:11:38 slowly work your way don't do anything
0:11:40 drastic
0:11:41 does that apply with like animal
0:11:42 products as well actually everything
0:11:43 that comes from jesus jesus everything
0:11:45 the
0:11:46 the farming industry has completely
0:11:48 polluted our food
0:11:50 everything has been touched
0:11:52 unless you're ready to spend a million
0:11:53 dollars on your food a year you can't
0:11:55 eat untainted foods it's very difficult
0:11:57 okay like i'm a million dollars in
0:11:58 exaggeration i'm just trying to
0:12:00 spend a lot of money trying to get
0:12:02 organic never been touched by anybody
0:12:04 food it's tough
0:12:06 um i really recommend people experiment
0:12:08 with lowering the amount of fresh foods
0:12:10 they eat we've been we've been
0:12:12 brainwashed we've been marketed to
0:12:15 to eat milk cheese uh flesh foods this
0:12:18 is very important this is number one
0:12:20 it's not true it's not true so you're
0:12:22 saying go down so you're down if you're
0:12:24 eating it three times a day go once
0:12:27 oh yeah if you're eating me three times
0:12:28 a day you're killing yourself like i
0:12:29 don't see how you could function like i
0:12:31 i couldn't picture myself eating meat
0:12:32 three times a day i used to what should
0:12:34 i like then in the morning i eat
0:12:36 generally oatmeal okay i think oatmeal
0:12:37 is the ultimate breakfast because it
0:12:39 makes you feel satiated for longer about
0:12:40 eggs and stuff no eggs no if i eat eggs
0:12:43 for pleasure if i'm sitting down it's a
0:12:44 saturday morning and i'm eating with my
0:12:46 family we'll make eggs it's a i love
0:12:48 eggs i can eat eggs every day if you
0:12:50 give me but because of the consequence
0:12:51 of eating eggs every day i do not eat
0:12:53 eggs every day okay but in terms of
0:12:54 enjoyment i don't know there's nothing
0:12:56 more i love than toasting eggs in the
0:12:57 morning
0:12:59 i'll have eggs once in a while but
0:13:00 having eggs every day is bad for you in
0:13:02 my opinion it's not good
0:13:03 all right so that's breakfast so what's
0:13:05 lunch like for you
0:13:07 lunch i'll have rice potato salad
0:13:10 and a little bit of meat maybe
0:13:12 if i'm training really hard
0:13:14 chicken okay a lean chicken you got to
0:13:16 try to keep it lean and a small portion
0:13:17 like we're talking about a deck of cards
0:13:19 what about dinner
0:13:21 dinner i'll probably do something like
0:13:23 uh it'll be very similar to lunch it'll
0:13:25 be a
0:13:26 pasta or or
0:13:28 rice or
0:13:29 a sweet potato with a little ketchup
0:13:32 maybe a few fruit you know i try to keep
0:13:34 fruit low as well and i do a lot of
0:13:37 lentils sometimes i'll make hummus with
0:13:39 bread hummus and bread it's vegan it's
0:13:41 good if you have that right so that's it
0:13:42 that's enough and sometimes i don't even
0:13:44 eat dinner when i want to lose weight i
0:13:46 don't even eat dinner i'll eat from ten
0:13:47 to six
0:13:48 so for me i go to practice after six so
0:13:50 after training there's no there's no
0:13:52 meal after i drink water and go to bed
0:13:53 that's it
0:13:55 and so do you have only three meals a
0:13:56 day
0:13:58 um
0:13:59 i eat about three meals a day with with
0:14:01 a few snacks but in a window small
0:14:03 window and i think people have to learn
0:14:04 to skip meals okay tell us about
0:14:07 intermittent fasting because this is a
0:14:08 big thing for you isn't it intermittent
0:14:10 fasting is huge if you want to keep your
0:14:11 youth yeah intermittent fasting is
0:14:13 massive what is it first of all for
0:14:15 those of you intermittent fasting is
0:14:19 it's hard to define because you could
0:14:20 say look i fast it for 12 hours is that
0:14:22 intimate fasting yes but a very a very
0:14:24 beginner level so i always tell people
0:14:26 look try to eat from nine to nine
0:14:28 then from nine am to eight
0:14:30 from nine to seven and slowly because it
0:14:32 gets easier
0:14:33 then all of a sudden you're eating from
0:14:35 nine to six and you're full after six
0:14:36 you don't want to eat anymore what are
0:14:37 the benefits of that when you don't eat
0:14:40 for at least 16 hours
0:14:42 about 16 hours now this is a
0:14:43 guesstimation okay it's not exactly the
0:14:44 16 hours for everybody depending on how
0:14:46 how how much you exercise how much you
0:14:48 ate the day before et cetera but
0:14:49 approximately 16 hours we know that a
0:14:51 phenomenon now we that they call
0:14:53 autophagy the nobel prize was given for
0:14:55 this discovery in 2016. so it's a
0:14:58 scientific fact autophagy is a greek
0:15:00 word for
0:15:01 uh self-digestion your body when it
0:15:03 after 16 hours of eating starts to eat
0:15:05 itself without eating sources after 16
0:15:07 hours of no food no intake
0:15:10 your body starts to consume its own
0:15:11 cells
0:15:13 the cells that it'll consume first
0:15:15 are the more uh
0:15:17 the poorest cells the weakest cells the
0:15:19 the the poorly replicated cells i should
0:15:21 say
0:15:22 and those are the cells that are toxic
0:15:24 cancerous etc i'm relying on the work of
0:15:26 jason fong okay i'm not a biologist here
0:15:28 but jason's fund's work uh the
0:15:31 all you need to know about fasting he
0:15:32 goes into it he has a great book called
0:15:34 all you need to know about fasting he
0:15:35 has a few books on fasting and uh he
0:15:38 talks about how his claim not mine that
0:15:40 even fasting combats cancer
0:15:43 and for this reason for autophagy again
0:15:45 if you want to get into the specifics
0:15:46 you have to rely on his work he's a
0:15:48 doctor out of toronto he's the one who
0:15:49 helped georgetown pierre uh
0:15:51 combat uh
0:15:52 his uh colitis without drugs without
0:15:55 using drugs just using fasting
0:15:57 and he did it successfully
0:15:59 and uh many of us started fasting after
0:16:01 that as well and we saw a huge benefit
0:16:03 that of course we fast because we're
0:16:04 muslim since we're young
0:16:06 but
0:16:07 doing fasting throughout the year also
0:16:08 has major benefits and i feel that um
0:16:12 it's something that's
0:16:13 very very beneficial even for your
0:16:15 hormones
0:16:16 however i think again it should be
0:16:17 gradual and there's two you can go too
0:16:19 far you can fast for too long and make
0:16:21 yourself weak and frail we don't want to
0:16:23 fast for too long
0:16:25 16 hours of fasting seems to be really
0:16:27 good
0:16:28 and
0:16:29 some you can experiment with 18
0:16:30 sometimes i even do one meal a day
0:16:34 like today i i we ate a meal together
0:16:36 that's my only meal for the day and last
0:16:38 time i ate was yesterday morning wow so
0:16:40 that's it for today why because today
0:16:41 i'm not training i'm not exercising i'm
0:16:42 doing very little i have a wake-up call
0:16:44 if you're training then you do what two
0:16:46 i would i wouldn't have eaten such a
0:16:47 large meal and i would have i would have
0:16:49 ate throughout the day i see so it could
0:16:51 be digested when i get to practice
0:16:53 so look i really believe i really like
0:16:55 this app called the fast tick
0:16:58 f-a-s-t-i-c because it kind of gives you
0:17:01 the road map of what your body's doing
0:17:03 so you start fasting you click the
0:17:05 button it tells you what phase you're in
0:17:06 you don't get commissioned for saying no
0:17:07 no
0:17:09 no it's it's a great app because it kind
0:17:11 of like
0:17:12 it explains to you why you're feeling
0:17:13 this way oh my god i'm feeling like this
0:17:15 yeah don't worry wait a little bit
0:17:16 longer your blood sugar levels are going
0:17:18 to stabilize and it does and it's just a
0:17:20 great way to train yourself to know the
0:17:22 different phases of fasting and fasting
0:17:24 the great thing about fasting can be
0:17:25 quite addictive
0:17:26 because if you fast long often enough
0:17:28 you start actually to get a
0:17:30 cognitively uh charged
0:17:33 start being really alert really yeah
0:17:35 yeah plato wouldn't uh
0:17:36 uh except students that were in a fasted
0:17:38 state
0:17:39 because you become cognitively charged
0:17:41 oh yeah absolutely yeah yeah you can be
0:17:44 if you fast long enough intensely enough
0:17:46 over a time
0:17:48 you will have this cognitive charge it's
0:17:50 hard to explain but it's just a mental
0:17:52 alertness it's kind of like drinking
0:17:53 five espressos you know it's an
0:17:54 enjoyable feeling because
0:17:56 when you when you eat all the time the
0:17:59 blood flow goes towards the stomach it
0:18:00 drains blood from the brain it does make
0:18:02 there's a chain reaction but after a
0:18:04 while of not eating you're totally
0:18:06 totally digested
0:18:08 you've given your system a break
0:18:11 your system seems to one way or another
0:18:14 have more energy for some people say
0:18:15 it's the ketones because your body
0:18:16 starts burning ketones and ketones it's
0:18:18 almost like hey your body's starving
0:18:20 give him the good fuel let him find
0:18:21 resources right now you know make him
0:18:23 super alert make him super cognitive
0:18:25 because he
0:18:26 again this is a narrative i'm just
0:18:28 giving you a nerve
0:18:29 give him the really good stuff the
0:18:30 ketones so that he goes out in nature
0:18:32 and finds some resources
0:18:34 you know make him super alert uh you get
0:18:36 this level of a heightened awareness
0:18:39 that comes with prolonged
0:18:40 fasting and so
0:18:43 what breaks your fast because
0:18:45 people might be thinking about dry fats
0:18:46 right now that's the kind of only
0:18:48 experience they may have had the ramadan
0:18:50 fast for example
0:18:51 so you're not talking about that you're
0:18:53 what you can still drink water right
0:18:54 yeah especially because we're training
0:18:56 throughout the day we need water that's
0:18:57 number one yeah two percent dehydration
0:18:59 equals six percent loss in performance
0:19:01 say that again two percent dehydration
0:19:04 really
0:19:05 equates to six percent loss in
0:19:07 performance now this is uh this study
0:19:10 was done on soldiers running through
0:19:11 gauntlets they have to run shoot et
0:19:12 cetera
0:19:13 and they can only ethically dehydrate
0:19:15 them two percent not more so all we have
0:19:17 is two percent studies on two percent
0:19:19 dehydration imagine there may be a law
0:19:21 of diminishing returns right could be
0:19:22 yeah
0:19:23 but ethically they say they can only go
0:19:25 two percent so what happens
0:19:27 they got six percent and they say even
0:19:29 the top of the top
0:19:31 soldiers had a diminished
0:19:33 ability by six percent yeah so it
0:19:35 doesn't matter how tough you are you
0:19:36 need hydration hydration is more
0:19:38 important even than food you said you
0:19:39 could also have black coffee right black
0:19:41 coffee tea
0:19:43 and uh water
0:19:45 what's that no no no no milk milk will
0:19:47 will spike your insulin so you have a
0:19:48 java insulin response which you don't
0:19:50 want during your fast
0:19:51 okay now this is in relation to
0:19:54 diet i think you've kind of covered a
0:19:56 lot of bases there and that maybe many
0:19:58 people will be changing their lives for
0:19:59 the better and that's what we're really
0:20:01 hoping for because
0:20:02 last time we had this conversation you
0:20:04 you spoke you gave a very
0:20:06 very succinct piece of advice and i
0:20:08 actually went viral i'm not sure if you
0:20:09 know
0:20:10 it got like 400 500 000 views or
0:20:12 something like that just how to lose
0:20:14 weight and
0:20:15 people really really enjoyed it and
0:20:17 that's why i think i started
0:20:18 with that this time um i want to talk a
0:20:21 bit about
0:20:22 before we get to self-defense obviously
0:20:24 which is your area of specialism
0:20:27 to
0:20:28 training more generally for people that
0:20:30 may not necessarily be into self-defense
0:20:33 or
0:20:34 may have kind of weakened because of the
0:20:37 years the wear and tear of whatever
0:20:39 they want to get into a gym program just
0:20:41 a normal gym program what would you
0:20:43 recommend for a beginner
0:20:45 i think the number one workout for just
0:20:48 general fitness is a
0:20:51 bag workout a punching bag workout
0:20:52 really it's the ultimate i'll tell you
0:20:54 why
0:20:55 number one you're learning a skill
0:20:56 you're learning how to throw a good
0:20:57 punch
0:20:58 if you get up every day and you hit the
0:20:59 back for a few minutes before you go to
0:21:01 work compare that to somebody who's
0:21:03 running on a treadmill
0:21:05 the guy hitting the bag is going to have
0:21:07 less injury
0:21:08 the guy running
0:21:10 is going to have more injury yeah the
0:21:11 guy hitting the bag is going to have
0:21:12 less inflammation that guy running is
0:21:14 going to have more inflammation the guy
0:21:15 hitting the back is gonna have higher
0:21:16 testosterone the guy running is gonna
0:21:17 have lower testosterone like you beat
0:21:18 him every which way plus if we ever get
0:21:20 into an altercation he's gonna run i'm
0:21:22 not
0:21:22 you know what i mean like you could
0:21:23 throw a good punch you could defend
0:21:25 yourself you're also cultivating a skill
0:21:27 so what i tell people is the thing is
0:21:29 like when you run
0:21:31 you can get overuse injuries especially
0:21:32 if your technique is poor and most
0:21:34 people's running technique is poor
0:21:36 unknowingly
0:21:37 their mechanics have been changed
0:21:38 because they're wearing shoes
0:21:40 if you look at barefoot runners versus
0:21:42 people who learn to run in shoes their
0:21:43 mechanics are different
0:21:45 the best mechanics are those who learn
0:21:47 how to run barefoot third world
0:21:48 countries they're the best at the
0:21:49 kenyans etc
0:21:52 so because we have poor running
0:21:54 mechanics if you run for a prolonged
0:21:55 period of time your knee starts hurting
0:21:56 you your hip starts hurting you i have
0:21:57 one of my students he's an orthopedic
0:21:59 surgeon and i asked him which sport has
0:22:00 the most injuries he said runners
0:22:03 runners it's incredible like they
0:22:04 injured themselves by prolonged running
0:22:06 over years
0:22:08 so when you work the heavy bag but you
0:22:10 need to do it with instruction like for
0:22:12 example you're saying that you learn a
0:22:13 new skill but if the person just doing
0:22:14 on their own volition with their own
0:22:16 devices right yeah they could be kind of
0:22:18 reinforcing bad habits right yeah true
0:22:20 but what's so good about our day and age
0:22:21 is that you can easily get a digital
0:22:24 coach
0:22:25 go on youtube there's a thousand one
0:22:26 tutorials how to jab how to throw right
0:22:28 it's good that because if someone is if
0:22:29 if someone does that say and the person
0:22:32 is not overseeing what they're doing and
0:22:33 then correcting them then is there still
0:22:36 the issue of reinforcement of background
0:22:37 i think over years look if you're
0:22:39 looking to be a world-class boxer then
0:22:41 yeah you need a coach yeah yeah but if
0:22:42 you're just a layman you know if you're
0:22:43 a regular joe learning just getting in
0:22:45 shape i think it's more than enough a
0:22:46 digital tutorial is plenty but what i
0:22:48 see a lot of is a lot of people that go
0:22:50 into personal training and get personal
0:22:51 trainers and they do like pad work and
0:22:53 stuff and the personal trainer is not a
0:22:56 trained martial artist so he will teach
0:22:57 the client
0:22:59 a technique which is not a correct one
0:23:01 could that be more harmful than good i
0:23:03 think there are levels of instructors
0:23:05 some can do more harm than good but the
0:23:06 vast majority boxing is a known art like
0:23:08 if you go around the world they have
0:23:09 boxing yeah yeah and there are different
0:23:10 levels of boxing instruction but it's
0:23:12 fairly good yes so i would say you know
0:23:15 find yourself a a a reputable instructor
0:23:18 online are you saying boxing are you
0:23:19 saying kickboxing
0:23:20 both i would start with boxing graduate
0:23:22 to kickboxing go to muay thai
0:23:24 because the thing is with punching bag
0:23:25 you can you can you don't even have to
0:23:27 hit the bag hard let's say your
0:23:28 shoulders are sore just kind of you can
0:23:30 even shadow box zero impact very good
0:23:32 cardio yep and i like to mix bag work
0:23:34 with calisthenics right so i like to do
0:23:36 one minute hitting the bag one minute
0:23:38 swinging a kettlebell so i put on mma
0:23:39 gloves so i can swing the kettlebell one
0:23:41 minute hitting the back one minute
0:23:42 getting ball i do that for maybe six
0:23:44 minutes take a break
0:23:45 repeat it one more time
0:23:47 and then like even kettlebell might be a
0:23:49 little bit for some okay do push ups and
0:23:50 squats one minute exercise one minute
0:23:52 hitting the back one minute exercise one
0:23:54 it's a phenomenal workout what about
0:23:56 when you're sorry to cut your hair oh no
0:23:57 please but you know when you said shadow
0:23:59 boxing right when you're when you're
0:24:01 doing that
0:24:02 before you start the round are you
0:24:03 thinking this is what i want to
0:24:04 establish in my shadow boxing round i
0:24:06 want to establish a jab in the right
0:24:08 hand i wanted to establish like or are
0:24:10 you just doing it haphazardly sometimes
0:24:13 i'll watch a fight and i'll see a guy do
0:24:14 a nice sequence and that's what i'm
0:24:15 excited to work on tomorrow okay you
0:24:17 know i mean i'm just gonna maybe work my
0:24:18 job today okay now my uppercase there's
0:24:20 so much to work on there's so much to
0:24:22 there's so much to cultivate that that's
0:24:23 the fun part you get in your workout and
0:24:25 then after a while you wanna spar
0:24:27 sparring is the funnest why because
0:24:29 three rounds of sparring is
0:24:31 incredibly uh demanding on the body and
0:24:34 the time passes like this like i could
0:24:36 run forever i just get the reason why i
0:24:38 stopped running is i'm bored
0:24:39 running is easy for me like if you're
0:24:40 telling me jogging jogging doesn't do
0:24:42 anything to me like it'll make me sweat
0:24:44 yes but it won't fatigue me because it's
0:24:46 so much more
0:24:47 the intensity is so much lower than what
0:24:49 i'm used to doing
0:24:50 however i will get bored running unless
0:24:52 i'm listening to a good podcast or
0:24:54 something i'll get bored running
0:24:56 so it's boring it's i find it very
0:24:58 boring and it's not good for your your
0:24:59 body
0:25:00 especially for heavier people right yeah
0:25:02 exactly i like to run in a short burst
0:25:04 like i like to do 100 meter sprints okay
0:25:05 it's done i did it in 20 minutes it was
0:25:07 painful but short
0:25:09 that i enjoy
0:25:10 however boxing i have a bla have fun
0:25:12 when i box at night or it's fun you know
0:25:15 we're playing a game and the time passes
0:25:17 so fast that's the key to
0:25:19 fitness do something that the time
0:25:21 passes we should actually say that
0:25:23 you've got some tutorials don't you
0:25:25 what's the name of your website uh
0:25:26 ggclub.com yeah and how is that spelled
0:25:29 because people might not uh juliette
0:25:31 uniform juliet india
0:25:34 and then club
0:25:35 c-l-u-e-b dot com i've actually
0:25:39 as you know you know i've consumed much
0:25:41 of your content
0:25:43 if all you know the striking tutorials
0:25:45 you have some tutorials of your children
0:25:47 um yes head like a basic basic headlock
0:25:50 escape very important yeah and this is
0:25:52 kind of rearing us to the next part of
0:25:54 this discussion which is
0:25:55 the basics of self-defense
0:25:57 maybe we can not now after this because
0:26:00 you can show maybe some some
0:26:01 demonstrations we'll get some somebody
0:26:02 else we could do over here
0:26:04 but you know
0:26:06 how important is it
0:26:08 i couldn't imagine myself without my
0:26:10 martial arts skill i was so bullied as a
0:26:12 kid that boy yeah definitely i had two
0:26:15 older brothers i was small when i was
0:26:16 growing up i was smaller than everybody
0:26:18 so i got picked on a lot so martial arts
0:26:20 really carved a part of my my my psyche
0:26:23 could like i needed it so much and now
0:26:25 you've become you know what you are now
0:26:27 just so
0:26:28 i was watching a video of yours sparring
0:26:30 with i mentioned this with you some some
0:26:32 huge guy
0:26:35 the guy was the the strongest arm or
0:26:38 something like that at one point he's
0:26:40 world champion right hand and left hand
0:26:41 really yeah both hands at one point he
0:26:44 you know he gone you i don't know who
0:26:45 got on top of him you got on top of him
0:26:47 and his arm was there and you were
0:26:49 commenting on the videos like and if
0:26:51 there goes the world's strongest arm
0:26:55 and then you got him in the hill hook
0:26:57 position isn't it yeah like yeah yeah
0:26:59 which many people will not know what
0:27:00 we're talking about but you obviously
0:27:02 you have
0:27:03 graduated from the school of danah who's
0:27:05 like you know well known for
0:27:07 you know legs
0:27:09 and it's just so amazing to be honest
0:27:11 for me anyway
0:27:12 to be able to see that someone who if it
0:27:15 was a boxing affair and both were like
0:27:18 it wouldn't be the same but because
0:27:20 you're able to get the weakest part to
0:27:22 use dana has language right the weakest
0:27:24 part of the opponent's body and the
0:27:25 strongest part of your own
0:27:27 you're able to get someone who could be
0:27:29 almost double your size in terms of
0:27:31 weight i don't know how you had at least
0:27:32 100 pounds on you or something like that
0:27:34 into a position of
0:27:36 subordination
0:27:38 you know i mean if i tried to arm
0:27:40 wrestle him he'd rip my arm out of out
0:27:41 of the socket like he's so much stronger
0:27:43 than me like we play arm wrestle then i
0:27:45 could just see like his hand i feel like
0:27:46 a child you know i'm holding a no but
0:27:48 that's the point that someone's so
0:27:49 strong he's incredible his power is
0:27:51 incredible his physical look during that
0:27:53 time i i as we first started resting i
0:27:55 went on his back and i couldn't put my
0:27:57 legs around his back and he was grabbing
0:27:59 my arm and i knew like like i understood
0:28:01 right away what submission i have to get
0:28:03 to i have to isolate his ankle and get
0:28:05 to that ankle and you didn't think about
0:28:06 any other moves no i i think it's i
0:28:09 think it would be
0:28:11 every other submission is very risky
0:28:13 very risky for me
0:28:15 and the the leg lock is the one that's
0:28:18 super super almost impossible for him to
0:28:20 defend and super easy for me to access
0:28:23 so it's it's because the thing is the
0:28:25 bigger they are the easier they are to
0:28:26 leg lock you have you can have much more
0:28:28 trouble leg locking somebody your size
0:28:29 than somebody who's much bigger because
0:28:31 the foot is this big it's such an easy
0:28:33 lever for me to hook on to whereas the
0:28:35 guy has a size a normal size foot it's
0:28:37 very hard so someone's like myself what
0:28:38 should i do to avoid my
0:28:40 [Laughter]
0:28:41 you know what i'm going for forever
0:28:48 don't let the guy get there so you see
0:28:50 like uh like as we're engaging trying to
0:28:53 lift him would be ludicrous so because
0:28:55 he's so tall it's easy for me to slide
0:28:56 underneath so into a minority or
0:28:58 something like that yeah yeah but
0:28:59 actually i didn't use a minority i used
0:29:00 this ashy slide which is a slide
0:29:02 underneath straight into a leg lock so
0:29:04 there's no resistance there's no there's
0:29:06 no lifting there's no there's no i'm not
0:29:08 exposing my neck because you know when
0:29:09 you shoot a double leg you're exposing
0:29:10 your neck
0:29:11 like there's just so many dangers if he
0:29:12 puts his weight on he could hurt my back
0:29:14 so
0:29:15 it's you have to ask yourself what is
0:29:17 the
0:29:18 what is the easiest way for me to attack
0:29:21 him from safety a position of safety and
0:29:23 it's for in that situation not all
0:29:25 not all situations are the same if i was
0:29:27 fighting somebody my size i would use
0:29:28 different tactics oh is it yeah yeah
0:29:30 absolutely because he's so tall it's
0:29:32 very he's very vulnerable for an ashy
0:29:33 slide
0:29:34 so what should he do then just so i know
0:29:37 for reference
0:29:40 he's gotta not let me get
0:29:42 like he he'd have to he'd have to
0:29:45 he'd have to control my grip so that i
0:29:46 cannot actually slide which would be
0:29:48 complicated to explain okay okay you
0:29:50 have to fight my grip so that i cannot
0:29:51 grab him in a way that i can actually
0:29:53 slide but then there's other things i
0:29:54 can do if he if he does that you know
0:29:56 it's a we're playing chess you know yeah
0:29:58 and of course he's being a great sport
0:29:59 you know he's uh he's we're just playing
0:30:01 obviously i'm not going super hard he's
0:30:02 not going super cool but we're still
0:30:03 we're still getting nevertheless we're
0:30:05 still getting each other
0:30:06 just to give people a kind of a taste of
0:30:08 this because people look at the heel
0:30:10 hook that might and they don't know what
0:30:11 the ramifications of it are the
0:30:13 implications are if you finish it and if
0:30:15 there's nobody to stop it you're
0:30:16 destroying the man for life you're
0:30:18 breaking the case irreversible damage
0:30:20 right it's very dangerous on the knee
0:30:21 like it's you could you can have it
0:30:23 repaired but your knee might never be
0:30:24 the same either you know so yeah it's uh
0:30:26 it's a nasty some promotions actually
0:30:28 had banned the heel hook right
0:30:30 in all of ibjf heel hooks are illegal
0:30:32 yeah until very recently in nogi and in
0:30:35 the higher divisions only brown on black
0:30:36 or something yeah brown and black but
0:30:37 yeah but for many years it was frowned
0:30:39 upon because it's considered so
0:30:40 dangerous yeah
0:30:42 and you can injure something the thing
0:30:43 is when you injure your knee it's funny
0:30:44 because i actually just released a video
0:30:47 called strong and stable for life yeah
0:30:49 and strong and stable needs for life and
0:30:51 the reason why i did it is because
0:30:52 that's the number one question i get all
0:30:53 the time so i'm like you know what
0:30:55 i'm gonna do it because well i'm on the
0:30:56 mats i always have somebody tap me on
0:30:57 the shoulder and tell me hey coach i
0:30:59 have a knee injury what do i do i heard
0:31:00 you
0:31:02 you're you know you can fix my knee and
0:31:04 then i go through the whole spiel oh as
0:31:06 i said you know what let me put it on
0:31:07 tape got that on your channel yeah let
0:31:08 me let me get it on tape and now from
0:31:10 now on i'm just going to give it to my
0:31:11 members is it is it on the dude
0:31:15 it's uh knees are so important because
0:31:17 here's the problem with knees
0:31:18 if you injure your knee like a serious
0:31:20 injury like an acl tear yep on average
0:31:22 two years later the other acl goes
0:31:25 why they explain they explain to us that
0:31:27 your your body overcompensates one side
0:31:30 so what happens you never recalibrate
0:31:32 your joint your legs like they were
0:31:34 before so for instance if i injure
0:31:36 my shoulder i can go under the knife
0:31:38 but that doesn't affect my left shoulder
0:31:40 yeah if i injure my right doesn't affect
0:31:41 my left but when it comes to the knees
0:31:43 because your knees your legs are
0:31:44 carrying your body they have a certain
0:31:46 calibration between the two when you
0:31:48 injure one the other one takes over so
0:31:49 what happens you're overusing the one
0:31:50 that's compensating
0:31:52 so on average there's a tariff the
0:31:54 second one now when george tore his acl
0:31:56 we knew about this they warned us we
0:31:57 brought in every expert to make sure
0:31:59 that his acl the second one doesn't
0:32:01 break because it costs us a pretty penny
0:32:04 and he's in the height of his career now
0:32:05 we want to you know keep him as healthy
0:32:07 as possible
0:32:08 still it broke
0:32:09 and it broke the second acl broke and it
0:32:11 wasn't like a very intense wrestling he
0:32:14 wasn't wrestling like usual
0:32:16 but his knee failed and it was a scary
0:32:18 thing because now he broke a trust with
0:32:20 his knees like he doesn't trust his
0:32:21 knees like he used to wow
0:32:24 so we had to rebuild him physically and
0:32:25 psychologically to retrust his knees
0:32:27 again and he fought two world titles
0:32:29 after that successfully
0:32:31 but again there's a distrust with the
0:32:32 knees because don't forget you're
0:32:33 applying all your weight and the weight
0:32:35 of your opponent sometimes when you lift
0:32:36 your opponent it's your weight and his
0:32:37 weight on your knees
0:32:39 it's not the same thing with the
0:32:40 shoulder you don't rely on your
0:32:41 shoulders as much as you rely on your
0:32:43 knees your knees are so
0:32:45 important because of the base of your
0:32:47 power every time you generate power
0:32:49 whether you throw a punch
0:32:51 you're using your legs your posterior
0:32:52 chain it starts with the feet knees and
0:32:55 hips and it goes up the shoulder
0:32:58 does
0:32:59 does definitely uh
0:33:01 contribute to the kinetic chain however
0:33:03 it's not as fundamental
0:33:06 and it's not carrying as much stress
0:33:08 and it doesn't rely we don't rely on the
0:33:10 sensitivity of calibration my shoulders
0:33:12 don't need to be calibrated as
0:33:13 sensitively as my knees so all these
0:33:15 problems i tell like i i wrestle every
0:33:17 day twice a day i do mma doubles
0:33:20 the most brutal sport mma yeah and i've
0:33:22 never torn an ac alhamdulillah inshallah
0:33:25 i never do i've never torn acl why
0:33:27 i'm very
0:33:29 religious with my
0:33:30 prehab as we call it so what would you
0:33:32 do i i do a lot of
0:33:34 high level of stabilization work okay
0:33:37 i use the stability ball a lot like i
0:33:39 jump up on the stability ball i call it
0:33:40 the forbidden exercise really yeah
0:33:42 jumping up on the stability ball is very
0:33:44 dangerous you fall down break your neck
0:33:45 you got these catchphrases for
0:33:47 the touch of death
0:33:52 you can make a book on uh
0:33:55 catchphrases
0:33:57 yeah
0:33:58 i you know i learned that teaching
0:34:00 giving a good name a memorable name to
0:34:01 things is it's good for a point of
0:34:04 reference what you're talking about the
0:34:05 strongest arm in the world
0:34:08 it's almost like an exotic novel it's
0:34:10 important it's important i want my
0:34:11 students to know exactly what i'm
0:34:12 pinpointing yeah and uh
0:34:15 like i i'll jump up on a stability ball
0:34:17 but just to demonstrate the stability
0:34:19 i've built over the years
0:34:21 not that i would do that as an exercise
0:34:23 that's highly dangerous you know what
0:34:24 what forbidden
0:34:26 you'll break your neck i'm going to get
0:34:27 a thousand one in the lawsuits if i you
0:34:29 know that's why i named it that to make
0:34:30 sure that if i'm ever in court i'm like
0:34:32 hey i told it was forbidden
0:34:35 and
0:34:36 it's just to demonstrate
0:34:38 uh
0:34:39 stability but we don't build stability
0:34:41 in a dangerous with a dangerous exercise
0:34:43 we use safe exercises to build that
0:34:44 level of stability but then to
0:34:46 demonstrate stability okay we can do the
0:34:48 forbidden exercise as a demonstration
0:34:50 but stability training is huge number
0:34:52 one is alignment number two is making
0:34:54 sure you don't have tight muscles
0:34:56 because tight muscles pull you out of
0:34:57 alignment and number three is my opinion
0:34:59 is stability that's the one thing i
0:35:00 think that's missing from other programs
0:35:02 i'm a big believer in cultivating far
0:35:05 more stability than you need in your
0:35:06 sport
0:35:08 so the stability needed in mma is far
0:35:10 greater than any other sport i can play
0:35:12 basketball tennis soccer all day long
0:35:14 i'll never hurt myself right because
0:35:16 that's a far less amount of stability i
0:35:18 need
0:35:19 than in wrestling when the guy's
0:35:20 actively trying to throw you on the
0:35:21 ground and the guy's actively trying to
0:35:23 break my leg he's not it's not i broke
0:35:24 my leg kicking a ball no no the guy's
0:35:25 trying to grab my leg and twist my knee
0:35:27 off that's i need a tremendous amount of
0:35:29 know-how and stability and
0:35:31 uh
0:35:32 and athleticism to to keep my knee from
0:35:35 breaking so it's it's a far more
0:35:36 dangerous sport i just had one of my
0:35:38 fighters uh kevin lee he fought in the
0:35:40 khabib's fc
0:35:42 is he with you
0:35:45 and the first kick in the first fight
0:35:47 the first round
0:35:49 broke his acl one kick
0:35:51 he fought the rest of the fight on one
0:35:52 leg basically wobbling he won the fight
0:35:55 did amazing but let's show you how
0:35:57 dangerous the support we have
0:35:59 we're kicking each other in the knees
0:36:00 trying to break each other's legs
0:36:02 so don't tell me after you play tennis
0:36:04 and you hurt your knee that's a very low
0:36:06 level that's a that's
0:36:08 as an mma trainer
0:36:09 i can help you protect your knees as a
0:36:12 tennis player very easily really ah
0:36:14 absolutely because tennis is very it's a
0:36:15 controller you say the same thing about
0:36:17 gymnastics though gymnastics is more
0:36:19 dangerous yeah because gymnasts when
0:36:20 they jump
0:36:22 they've measured the landing force is
0:36:23 sometimes up to 21 times their body
0:36:25 weight yeah
0:36:27 gymnastics can be very dangerous
0:36:29 of course they're very intelligent
0:36:30 trainers i i have a high regard for
0:36:32 gymnastics i i actually use gymnastics a
0:36:33 lot in my program i'm the one who put
0:36:36 georgie appear in gymnastics i'm a big
0:36:37 believer in gymnastics training
0:36:39 they figured it out they figured out the
0:36:40 body how to make it you you decided
0:36:42 because you see the famous you know
0:36:44 videos of him yeah i put him onto
0:36:45 gymnastics really yeah absolutely yeah
0:36:47 definitely
0:36:48 they've understood the body more than
0:36:49 anybody else
0:36:51 when they dismount or they do certain
0:36:53 jumps they've measured one imagine 20
0:36:56 times your body nobody could squat 20
0:36:58 times their body weight doesn't exist
0:36:59 but they go up to
0:37:01 levels of up to 20 times because they're
0:37:03 they're spinning and crashing towards
0:37:05 the ground that's probably the most
0:37:05 dangerous sport
0:37:08 because they do it on mats etc and they
0:37:10 know how to control the the landings
0:37:12 they're brilliant athletes no doubt
0:37:14 um is it the most dangerous sport no i
0:37:16 wouldn't say it's the most dangerous
0:37:17 sport because it's more controlled than
0:37:19 let's say football football in my
0:37:20 opinion is probably the rugby and
0:37:22 football in my opinion is crazy is very
0:37:24 dangerous i gotta i i assume they're all
0:37:26 on on peds because the brutality of that
0:37:29 sport you know every every play
0:37:31 they crash into each other every play
0:37:33 the most recent cte studies that have
0:37:36 been done as usually done in the context
0:37:38 of american football right and this
0:37:41 i've i saw something or heard something
0:37:43 where by
0:37:44 i think i actually might have been joe
0:37:45 rogan he was saying
0:37:47 what he was saying that basically even
0:37:48 if you just do a year of american
0:37:50 football in
0:37:52 in school or college or whatever they
0:37:54 call it in america
0:37:55 because we call college something else
0:37:57 university is
0:37:59 their idea of college i think but um
0:38:01 college whatever if they spend one year
0:38:03 of doing that they can develop cte which
0:38:06 i think is only detectable through
0:38:07 autopsies i'm not sure i'm not sure
0:38:09 actually but they're saying that so
0:38:12 from that angle right i mean because
0:38:13 smashing and all those kind of things
0:38:15 into uh it's a brutal sport it's brutal
0:38:17 there's no weight class you can put your
0:38:18 kids into that yourself no i wouldn't
0:38:19 put my kids in football look you can get
0:38:21 hit by a guy who's 70 pounds heavier
0:38:22 than you it's part of the game you could
0:38:24 be running at you at full speed yeah and
0:38:26 he can hit you without you seeing him
0:38:28 you're you're here breaking a tackle
0:38:29 he's hitting you in this direction it's
0:38:30 a brutal sport i've seen tackles that
0:38:32 were brutal so you would say mma
0:38:34 comparatively is less dangerous
0:38:36 yeah in terms of injuries sustained and
0:38:38 stuff uh i would i would say
0:38:40 it's as dangerous because also don't
0:38:42 forget a knee to the head a kick to the
0:38:43 head a shin to the head is this is
0:38:45 brutal too yeah so i would tell you
0:38:47 football rugby mma i would say they're
0:38:48 on par okay because believe me a flying
0:38:51 knee to the head while you're shooting a
0:38:52 double could be disastrous as well
0:38:54 you could literally break the facial
0:38:56 structure the skull
0:38:57 you know it's unfortunate but i've seen
0:38:59 it but with your own kids then so would
0:39:00 you
0:39:01 what would you want them to be like
0:39:03 would you want them to be
0:39:04 would you would you push them in a
0:39:05 particular direction would you want them
0:39:07 to eat because you've said it before i
0:39:08 think that you'd want them to be black
0:39:10 belts in jiu jitsu yeah at the very
0:39:12 minimum would you want them to stay in
0:39:13 something like grappling to us to avoid
0:39:16 the impact on the head yeah yeah that's
0:39:19 definitely like i want no impact on the
0:39:20 head till they're adult they're finished
0:39:21 developing and then if they're really
0:39:23 passionate about it i want them to learn
0:39:25 kickboxing boxing and jiu jitsu no doubt
0:39:27 yeah because they live with me it's so
0:39:28 easy for them to get the black belt in
0:39:30 in that way they have such an advantage
0:39:31 why not take it like and i feel that jiu
0:39:33 jitsu will prepare them for life you
0:39:34 know teach them to work hard and think
0:39:37 just you have to work hard you have to
0:39:38 be smart you can't be a brutish and you
0:39:39 can't just be smart you have to have
0:39:40 both you're not an intellectual living
0:39:43 behind a book and you're not a guy who's
0:39:44 just lifting weights and getting strong
0:39:45 no no you're you're the two
0:39:47 jiu jitsu is like it's chess it's body
0:39:49 chest so you're developing the body the
0:39:51 mind it's a beautiful thing i really
0:39:52 enjoy that system so i want them to be
0:39:54 black belts and jiu jitsu master the
0:39:56 striking arts and then decide if you
0:39:58 want to fight
0:39:59 it could be a bonus but i would be happy
0:40:00 if my kids were doctors professionals uh
0:40:03 some you know pursue academia would make
0:40:05 me equally happy however i'd want them
0:40:07 to be able to defend themselves for me
0:40:08 it's very important
0:40:10 yeah because this is this is obviously a
0:40:12 tension between like like the mma stuff
0:40:15 and the islamic stuff in particular
0:40:17 because there is a very famous hadith of
0:40:19 the prophet where he says
0:40:24 if you it's very interesting actually if
0:40:26 if if you're fighting with your brother
0:40:28 then you know be careful of the face
0:40:31 because allah has created adam on his
0:40:33 own image
0:40:34 so
0:40:35 the idea being that in training
0:40:37 environments and i think this you are a
0:40:38 pro proponent of a low level don't break
0:40:41 your
0:40:42 your jaw in the gym or don't lose your
0:40:44 your jaw in the gym or your chin in the
0:40:46 gym
0:40:47 um
0:40:48 kind of thing where you're smashing your
0:40:49 head all the time
0:40:51 now science is telling us cte and all
0:40:53 that kind of thing as well
0:40:54 um it because the thing is if you have
0:40:56 an intellectual pursuit
0:40:58 which i think
0:40:59 like for example in the community we
0:41:01 would want our people to have
0:41:02 intellectual pursuits but you also have
0:41:04 a physical pursuit you wouldn't want
0:41:06 those two things to kind of work
0:41:08 against one against one another and so a
0:41:11 heavy like so for me i mean i i've told
0:41:14 you already like i've got my kids in bjj
0:41:17 and i'm like focusing on grappling with
0:41:19 them but i do realize i see the very
0:41:22 important
0:41:24 uh need for striking and i understand
0:41:26 also to get to develop that martial
0:41:28 literacy you need to do some sparring
0:41:30 but if you do inspiring with someone who
0:41:32 wants to take your head off every time
0:41:34 then there's an issue here as well isn't
0:41:36 that they can you know ev every gym has
0:41:38 this culture what's the culture of
0:41:39 tristar then culture is controlled
0:41:41 because we have classes called touch
0:41:42 sparring classes where there's no hard
0:41:44 hard shots just play spark and then
0:41:46 after you develop a certain ability to
0:41:48 move
0:41:49 then we invite you to the more robust
0:41:51 sparrings yes and those robust sparrings
0:41:53 are limited two times a week and for
0:41:55 training camp and they're done they're
0:41:57 done more sparingly
0:41:59 and even then there's a control even
0:42:01 then so so you would then you wouldn't
0:42:03 allow like elbows and knees no
0:42:05 only only the guys i trust the most were
0:42:07 gonna like simulate it they're not gonna
0:42:09 throw it for real okay the reason why
0:42:10 you wanna build the body yes yes you
0:42:12 don't wanna destroy the body when you go
0:42:14 in the gym you have to build the body
0:42:15 not destroy the body people go in the
0:42:16 gym to destroy the body it's wrong it's
0:42:18 the wrong way of thinking now there are
0:42:19 two methods to
0:42:20 build a very
0:42:22 strong gym one you put everybody all
0:42:24 these alpha males in one room you're in
0:42:25 a metropolitan city where there's
0:42:26 millions and millions of people
0:42:28 you're flooded with guys who want to
0:42:29 make it you put them in the room they
0:42:30 kill each other there's one guy who
0:42:32 survives at all and he's your champion
0:42:34 then you have a thousand one dead bodies
0:42:36 but you have one champion yeah
0:42:38 and the other method is
0:42:39 you teach each one of them how to be
0:42:41 their best you exhaust their potential
0:42:43 there's a you create a synergy where
0:42:44 everybody respects everyone nobody
0:42:46 injures the other we're here to develop
0:42:48 our skills not kill each other and then
0:42:49 you have a variety of of excellent
0:42:52 fighters yeah
0:42:54 and then from there they feed off each
0:42:55 other because excellence breeds
0:42:57 excellence and so on you have you got
0:42:58 this type of synergy
0:43:00 but many gyms are the darwinian style as
0:43:02 if i could say you know it's killer be
0:43:04 killed and you didn't make it too bad
0:43:05 there's another guy waiting to take your
0:43:06 place because we're in a very we're
0:43:07 we're in a city where it's too
0:43:08 jam-packed we have too many people
0:43:10 and you got hurt there's less space on
0:43:12 there's more space on the mat for us
0:43:14 because there are some places where
0:43:15 they're so full of people
0:43:18 that they don't care if they lose a
0:43:19 customer or not or a fighter they have
0:43:20 another guy coming in town he wants to
0:43:22 make it too so it all depends on what
0:43:24 kind of atmosphere and i breed an
0:43:26 atmosphere of building right not
0:43:29 uh last man standing type uh atmosphere
0:43:31 and is that i've heard i'm not sure of
0:43:33 talks industry but for example in
0:43:35 dagestan the way they do wrestling and
0:43:37 stuff like that they're soft they play
0:43:40 they're more playful yeah
0:43:41 and do you think that's that might be a
0:43:43 secret to their success because we're
0:43:44 seeing the rise of
0:43:46 i mean you've got um sagilev who's the
0:43:48 wrestler like he's he's i'm not sure
0:43:50 seen as pound-for-pound best freestyle
0:43:52 wrestler in the world right now and then
0:43:54 you've got like all these kind of
0:43:55 fighters of khabib being notable but
0:43:58 ankylo have done really well really well
0:44:00 now in the light heavyweight division
0:44:02 and other fighters as well
0:44:04 they seem to have a real
0:44:06 kind of pedigree
0:44:08 and
0:44:09 at the heart of it is grappling so is is
0:44:12 is that because they've developed team
0:44:14 spirit that they're all working with
0:44:16 each other or is it because of the
0:44:17 playful kind of training what is it
0:44:19 really what i think is i think i think
0:44:21 they have a
0:44:22 they have a
0:44:24 learn the sequences they have they have
0:44:25 a higher regard for technique
0:44:28 and so if you do something and you do it
0:44:30 using force it's considered your
0:44:32 wrestling is ugly it's not aesthetically
0:44:34 pleasing
0:44:35 why because if you mastered the
0:44:36 technique and then you unleash your
0:44:37 force you'd be even better
0:44:39 so they they breed a culture of wow you
0:44:42 got the technique right
0:44:44 where in america if you do something
0:44:46 athletic it's wow look how you bypass
0:44:48 the system yeah yeah whereas them know
0:44:51 do it right there's a wrong way in the
0:44:53 right way and then demonstrate your
0:44:54 athleticism so it's it's really the the
0:44:57 tradition of teaching and training
0:44:58 because not that americans are not
0:45:01 technical they are definitely they just
0:45:03 also have a great
0:45:05 enjoyment to watch something athletic
0:45:07 just something that's
0:45:08 freaky you know the guy can jump so much
0:45:10 or he can pull so much or what
0:45:12 they have more they breathe more culture
0:45:14 of do you do it right do you understand
0:45:16 why we do it this way and if the answer
0:45:18 is yes it's good if the answer is bad
0:45:20 explain it to him again you know because
0:45:22 they have this and that's why look the
0:45:23 european wrestling there's a lot to say
0:45:25 they have a lot more gold medals than in
0:45:27 the west okay
0:45:28 and also they support their athletes
0:45:30 more their other their other factors but
0:45:31 generally speaking most
0:45:33 wrestling experts will tell you that
0:45:34 they're more technical
0:45:36 the wrestling is more it's superior
0:45:40 does that have to do with state funding
0:45:42 i would say yes but also the culture of
0:45:43 learning like for instance if you look
0:45:44 at scandinavian countries they they do
0:45:46 really well in school even though they
0:45:48 do less hours and less homework and they
0:45:49 start at a later age why is that
0:45:51 well in america if you say something
0:45:53 like not not everywhere in america but
0:45:55 like
0:45:57 let's just put it this way they have a
0:45:58 high regard for
0:46:01 um
0:46:02 education education is seen as a good
0:46:04 thing it's seen it is true in america
0:46:06 but maybe more so in scandinavian
0:46:08 countries saying something like for
0:46:10 instance i remember watching dr phil
0:46:13 and there was this girl she was 16 years
0:46:14 old and she was like
0:46:15 getting angry at the crowd and she's
0:46:17 like take catch me outside how about
0:46:18 that
0:46:20 catch me outside let's go fight outside
0:46:21 she's saying and when she said that i
0:46:23 didn't understand what you're saying but
0:46:23 she became a star
0:46:25 now in scandinavia she would be it would
0:46:27 be frowned upon because she's doing
0:46:28 something a behavior that's probably
0:46:30 ignorant you know it seems like but in
0:46:31 america they'll they'll marvel at
0:46:33 they'll laugh about it because it's cool
0:46:35 it's funny and she later became a
0:46:37 millionaire she signed a 16 million
0:46:38 dollar contract or 40 if millions of
0:46:40 dollars to do like a music video where
0:46:42 she's just lip singing and it's like
0:46:44 crazy that they made her such a star why
0:46:46 because she went on dr phil and she
0:46:48 behaved in a certain way
0:46:49 now in certain other cultures that would
0:46:51 be rejected
0:46:52 that would be frowned upon that would be
0:46:53 embarrassing they probably wouldn't even
0:46:55 show it on the air
0:46:56 however in certain cultures hey it's
0:46:58 considered cool and fun and and funny
0:47:00 and then marvelous and whatnot so
0:47:03 culture makes a huge difference
0:47:05 absolutely right like you know
0:47:06 especially in india china like
0:47:08 why why do they
0:47:10 excel so much over and above western
0:47:12 countries and for example sub jobs like
0:47:14 mathematics
0:47:16 uh probably the same kind of reasoning
0:47:18 the the education and the teacher gets
0:47:20 to maintain his integrity whereas in the
0:47:22 west the teacher is almost like a
0:47:24 dispensable asset like you know you can
0:47:26 just replace him if you don't like him
0:47:27 you can vote him out or something you
0:47:28 know i remember watching a documentary
0:47:30 where they they sent they brought in a
0:47:32 chinese
0:47:33 a group of chinese teachers here to
0:47:34 england
0:47:36 and they separated a grade one would do
0:47:37 the chinese system one would do
0:47:39 the english system
0:47:41 and the chinese teachers were like
0:47:45 in china we don't have to discipline
0:47:46 because they were asking the students to
0:47:48 do a b and c and the students weren't
0:47:50 doing it
0:47:51 and that the chinese teachers were
0:47:52 perplexed they were like in china we
0:47:54 don't have to discipline they're born
0:47:55 disciplined
0:47:56 meaning in their culture they're raised
0:47:58 by the time they go to school they
0:47:59 already understand that you have to
0:48:00 follow the rules and it's natural to
0:48:02 them
0:48:02 so in the west they had this different
0:48:04 challenge where they had to they had to
0:48:07 try to discipline the children but they
0:48:08 had no means to they had no program for
0:48:10 this and they were making the kids work
0:48:12 harder longer and eventually they
0:48:14 compared the grades and the chinese
0:48:16 school had better grades the chinese
0:48:18 group but then the chinese teacher said
0:48:21 something very interesting he said look
0:48:23 in china we have kung fu
0:48:26 and we have pandas but we would never
0:48:28 have kung fu panda meaning
0:48:30 that by being so rigid they kind of kill
0:48:33 creativity and that's something the west
0:48:35 has that so this it was complimentary
0:48:37 yeah yeah hard work will make you book
0:48:39 smart yes but what is it taking from you
0:48:41 you know mark twain said the best one
0:48:42 time he said don't let don't let school
0:48:45 get in the way of your education wow
0:48:49 so look being i should have said that to
0:48:51 the teacher when i was being
0:48:52 sent to the detention center all the
0:48:54 time
0:48:55 i think i think you can go too far in
0:48:58 being rigid and academic
0:49:00 because it can cost i think both sides
0:49:02 have something to learn from one another
0:49:03 yeah yeah sure it's complementary that
0:49:05 we have to strike a middle ground
0:49:06 somewhere but comparing the two makes
0:49:08 for interesting uh uh con like um
0:49:12 you know
0:49:13 it'll teach us to think differently and
0:49:15 experiment with different methods but i
0:49:17 think culture is something that's
0:49:18 overlooked it makes a massive difference
0:49:20 like me my kids i try to instill instill
0:49:22 into them that on knowledge knowledge
0:49:27 knowledge is good for you always truth
0:49:28 is always good for you one way or
0:49:30 another truth is good for your truth is
0:49:31 something to be desired and one way or
0:49:33 another it
0:49:34 it brings you a benefit one way or
0:49:36 another you have to have that kind of uh
0:49:39 belief in truth you know one way or
0:49:41 another the truth is always good for me
0:49:43 even though i think it's bad now down
0:49:44 the line is gonna it's gonna provide
0:49:46 something
0:49:47 truth is that truth is a very special
0:49:50 phenomenon
0:49:51 do you know um one of what i have these
0:49:53 conversations with you especially when
0:49:54 you have private conversations one thing
0:49:55 that always comes up is family and uh
0:49:58 even those who kind of follow you on
0:50:00 social media would have seen the video
0:50:02 that you very famous viral video that
0:50:03 you've done was like a day in the life
0:50:05 of for us the hobby very beautiful video
0:50:07 fantastic and one thing that really
0:50:09 sticks out or
0:50:10 is your relationship with your children
0:50:13 like you do
0:50:14 uh as many people that would watch your
0:50:16 content would know you do like jiu-jitsu
0:50:18 with them you do martial arts with them
0:50:20 but you do a lot of
0:50:22 conversation with them and this is
0:50:23 something that i think which is being
0:50:24 lost in transition in our communities
0:50:26 like where fathers are actually taking
0:50:29 you know a responsible role with their
0:50:30 children
0:50:32 what do you have to say about
0:50:34 the extent to which we should as men for
0:50:37 example be responsible over our children
0:50:39 and what kind of fruit does this have in
0:50:41 one's life
0:50:43 look i would say after after god what's
0:50:45 the next important thing in your life
0:50:47 it should be family it's the greatest
0:50:49 good yeah nobody ever had a successful
0:50:51 family and said hey i would have traded
0:50:53 my family for a lamborghini or a mansion
0:50:55 or a music career or or a a
0:50:58 career in politics
0:50:59 all that is secondary
0:51:02 you if you failed your family if you're
0:51:04 if you're
0:51:06 a millionaire movie star and your
0:51:08 family's broken i don't consider you
0:51:09 successful
0:51:10 i don't consider you successful
0:51:13 i think you failed so be careful with
0:51:14 your family your family is
0:51:16 paramount super important
0:51:18 i i really tell you know i always tell
0:51:19 my friends you should have something in
0:51:20 common with your kids maybe not
0:51:22 everything but something that we share
0:51:23 together in my kids sports sports but
0:51:26 more things we play video games together
0:51:27 what is it yeah oh yeah we we like to
0:51:29 kind of like
0:51:30 uh we used to play a lot of uh what a
0:51:33 fortnight oh is it yeah yeah i'm
0:51:36 some of these guys they go crazy on
0:51:37 fortnite yeah so on different level
0:51:39 addictions and all this kind of yeah
0:51:40 absolutely yeah um but you control it
0:51:42 right you control your time we prank
0:51:44 each other we like making fun of each
0:51:46 other
0:51:47 my sons call me boy
0:51:52 cause i'm superior to him so i call him
0:51:53 boy
0:51:55 no he's just a boy he's his son my son
0:51:57 that's my son like he's lower than me
0:51:59 yeah he'll call me son also like we you
0:52:01 know we play we we're friends we're
0:52:03 buddies especially when we drive to the
0:52:04 gym yeah we're in the car together mom
0:52:06 is not there sister's not there i tell
0:52:08 him we can talk about anything
0:52:10 you have complete immunity when we get
0:52:11 in the car we're driving ask me anything
0:52:13 really yeah
0:52:14 conversations i would never repeat to my
0:52:16 wife no way
0:52:18 she thinks they're still little young
0:52:19 boys
0:52:20 he's still 100 young maybe he's still
0:52:22 100 boy i said no he's a man now he's
0:52:24 still 100 boys she's in denial can you
0:52:27 give us a little flavor away no okay
0:52:30 when you make this pg-19
0:52:32 no they're boys they're curious they
0:52:33 want to know female that you have set
0:52:35 time okay all right i want to know
0:52:37 everything about the opposite sex right
0:52:38 so i have to tell them where else are
0:52:40 they going to learn it they're going to
0:52:41 learn it
0:52:42 somewhere else somewhere else right yeah
0:52:44 so i let them know i talked to them and
0:52:46 um i was gonna say like wait do you have
0:52:48 set times
0:52:50 um like in the sense that okay obviously
0:52:51 with martial arts you're gonna probably
0:52:53 go to school or whatever right and they
0:52:54 come out and you probably go
0:52:56 you know um training with them kids
0:52:58 classes i'm guessing
0:53:00 or maybe home classes but you have set
0:53:03 timing for okay i'm gonna sit down and
0:53:05 talk to you guys about
0:53:07 the stories or do you have anything like
0:53:08 that uh generally we talk on the way to
0:53:10 the gym because it's a one hour commute
0:53:12 half an hour there half an hour back we
0:53:13 talk about everything religion women
0:53:14 history science politics money bitcoin
0:53:17 everything they want and everything
0:53:18 everything my sons are bitcoiners too
0:53:20 they want to know everything i try to
0:53:21 teach them everything why because if you
0:53:23 don't talk with your kids i want to know
0:53:24 their thought process how do they by the
0:53:26 way
0:53:26 13 my son all the son is 13. the second
0:53:29 is amen right no noah i know it's the
0:53:31 older the aim is the second one right
0:53:32 amon the troublemaker he's uh
0:53:35 he's 10. no sorry he's 11 now he's 11.
0:53:37 yeah 13 11 and my baby girl alisa yeah
0:53:41 seven years old
0:53:43 she's the gem of the family
0:53:44 she's my favorite i saw as i call her
0:53:46 the favorite
0:53:47 i saw you in the video i saw i saw the
0:53:49 glow in your eye when you saw it
0:53:51 with the baby door is something you
0:53:52 could do right yeah yeah
0:53:54 but there's a there's a fear in that
0:53:56 because my my youngest daughter as well
0:53:58 to be honest with you
0:54:00 i'm actually in a similar camp i worry
0:54:02 that you know she's going to be spoiled
0:54:05 let's put it mildly you know because you
0:54:07 know she's she can always like get her
0:54:09 way through
0:54:11 kind of cry of course smile make her
0:54:13 face or something she knows how to play
0:54:14 the system
0:54:16 absolutely do you see that in the case
0:54:18 i mean there is a time where i do this
0:54:20 with her because i feel that if i spoil
0:54:21 her i'm doing her the series to be
0:54:23 honest there is a time i draw a hard
0:54:24 line but i do spoil her every time i
0:54:26 travel i bring her back gifts i shower
0:54:28 with love i take care of my daughter my
0:54:30 daughter is number one yeah
0:54:32 but there's a time i have to draw the
0:54:33 line i have to discipline her i think
0:54:34 it's it's just because it's for her own
0:54:36 good yeah
0:54:37 and
0:54:38 or else she'll become spoiled right
0:54:40 spoiled and that's it's very important
0:54:41 that she's not you know because then one
0:54:42 day
0:54:43 she'll have difficulty functioning in
0:54:45 society yeah it's not always about her
0:54:47 you know she's got to know that yeah we
0:54:49 have this playful time where i make it
0:54:51 all about you but then we get serious
0:54:52 and look everybody waits their turn
0:54:54 everybody gets their fair share and you
0:54:55 have to you know get out get with the
0:54:56 program uh
0:54:58 the idea is that in the future she's
0:55:00 gonna marry a guy who takes care of her
0:55:02 like her father takes care of her she
0:55:03 has a map in her mind she knows how it
0:55:04 feels to be treated well and that's how
0:55:06 it should feel if she's going to marry
0:55:08 somebody
0:55:09 um i take my i make my sons take care of
0:55:11 her because one day when i die they're
0:55:12 going to take care of her it's a reflex
0:55:14 she needs something i said her brother
0:55:16 kind of things would you say to your
0:55:17 sons
0:55:18 absolutely if if i hear my baby girl
0:55:20 crying and my sons don't get up
0:55:22 to check on her it's gonna be a problem
0:55:24 on that level oh yeah if she's in if
0:55:26 she's in pain or she needs help or she
0:55:28 there's no toilet paper they got to get
0:55:29 up and go get it for her like
0:55:31 they better get up right now and do it
0:55:33 why because i want to cultivate in them
0:55:34 a sense that she's the most important
0:55:36 person in in our lives and you have to
0:55:38 take care of her why she's the youngest
0:55:40 okay she's younger she's the baby girl
0:55:41 look my sons they take her to the bus
0:55:43 stop and they bring her back home but if
0:55:45 she wasn't the youngest there would be
0:55:46 more you would say there's being more
0:55:47 give and take yeah because i always tell
0:55:49 my sons when they get fed up taken care
0:55:51 of i say who used to take care of you
0:55:52 yeah you used to torture me the same way
0:55:54 you used to cry and nag for this and i
0:55:56 took care of you yeah i want them to
0:55:57 know how to take care of someone else
0:55:59 don't be selfish don't be it's all about
0:56:00 me so i think it's really important you
0:56:02 know to unite them to make them feel
0:56:04 good about one another and i always tell
0:56:05 my daughter be grateful look he took
0:56:07 care of you he waited for you he took
0:56:08 you here he took you there he watched
0:56:09 you she wants to go to the park while
0:56:10 she has to go with her brother okay he's
0:56:12 going to take you he doesn't want to go
0:56:13 to the park but he's going to go spend
0:56:14 an hour with you my daughter likes to
0:56:16 wrestle believe it or not she's like
0:56:17 papa i wanna fight
0:56:19 hey man do five minute round with her
0:56:21 how does she again seven oh she loves to
0:56:23 fight yeah do a five minute round with
0:56:25 her two five minute rounds okay two five
0:56:27 no question yeah of course they let her
0:56:28 be you know but she she loves to wrestle
0:56:30 she loves to she's a tomboy okay she's a
0:56:32 tomboy she likes to throw down you go
0:56:34 you guys go like matt's everywhere in
0:56:36 the house the whole house is mad the
0:56:38 majesty is a dojo
0:56:40 so they they wrestle they have fun and i
0:56:42 tell her she wants to do three rounds
0:56:43 say no call us enough you did two he
0:56:45 gave you his time now do something at
0:56:47 rounds or three three no five minute
0:56:48 rounds we'll do five minute rounds do
0:56:49 you ever do do you ever do full fully
0:56:51 fledged sparring uh no no no the kids no
0:56:53 no no no no no no just just grappling uh
0:56:55 graphic we do body shot sparring i'm a
0:56:57 big believer in the kyokushin style
0:56:58 system like if you look at george grew
0:56:59 up in that system where they kick and
0:57:01 punch to the body really and then later
0:57:03 as they're older they teach some
0:57:04 striking to their head do you not think
0:57:06 that one of the drawbacks of that system
0:57:07 is that if you learn to punch the body
0:57:10 and defend to the body that when you go
0:57:12 and do sparring
0:57:13 fully fledged that your defenses will be
0:57:15 they quickly catch up are you sure yeah
0:57:17 absolutely because
0:57:20 there's many world champions in k1 that
0:57:22 came from a karate background that had
0:57:23 hard time early in the beginning then
0:57:25 they adopted boxing and george is one of
0:57:26 them george exactly like this he had a
0:57:27 great kicking and punching to the body
0:57:29 but no punching to the head it was very
0:57:30 easy to hit he quickly transformed why
0:57:32 because it's very similar
0:57:34 and it's it's just basically you're
0:57:36 putting the icing on the cake it's not
0:57:37 really you're you're not building the
0:57:38 whole idea of reflexes and distance
0:57:40 control and the thing is because they
0:57:42 haven't gotten hit in the head their
0:57:43 mind is completely well developed and
0:57:45 clear
0:57:46 you know so i really believe in the
0:57:48 system i think it's fantastic because
0:57:49 you learn how to kick punch distance
0:57:51 control and actually it's more painful
0:57:53 to get hit in the body than the head the
0:57:54 head you don't really feel anything and
0:57:56 just you might see a spark here and
0:57:57 there a star here and there but you
0:57:59 don't feel pain like getting in the body
0:58:00 so they're actually more resistant to
0:58:01 pain
0:58:02 and they're less likely to head hunt
0:58:03 because they've been hitting the body
0:58:04 their entire life
0:58:06 it's a brilliant system i think it's
0:58:07 very very good and i think
0:58:09 well
0:58:09 in kyokushin karate
0:58:12 the karate system because they're they
0:58:13 start in the youth they only attack the
0:58:15 body even in taekwondo they just they
0:58:17 put a shield on the body and you can hit
0:58:19 the body as hard as you want right okay
0:58:21 well not not every kyokushin tournament
0:58:24 is as hard as you want they have
0:58:25 somewhere you're not allowed to hit as
0:58:26 hard as you want but it's very very safe
0:58:28 for the brain like the worst you can get
0:58:30 is
0:58:31 really hard on the body and winded
0:58:32 mm-hmm so basically you run out of you
0:58:34 get dropped to your knees and you can't
0:58:35 breathe for a second or two and it's
0:58:37 very rare but it's nothing serious and
0:58:39 george came from that background
0:58:40 absolutely he became world champion
0:58:41 that's why i'm telling people it's
0:58:42 better to do it that way
0:58:44 then because if you look at boxers and
0:58:46 muay thai fighters after they're retired
0:58:48 the ones who started very very young a
0:58:50 lot of them unfortunately become
0:58:51 alcoholics
0:58:52 dysfunctional they're completely
0:58:54 dysfunctional they can't go into society
0:58:56 why
0:58:58 the way that they explain it the way
0:58:59 i've heard it to be explained is that
0:59:02 when you get hit in the head often
0:59:04 the brain the receptor in your brain is
0:59:06 not as
0:59:07 efficient it's not as sensitive so what
0:59:09 happens
0:59:11 if a hundred is feeling normal they're
0:59:13 at 80.
0:59:15 so they need a substance a self-medicate
0:59:16 they say they take drugs or alcohol to
0:59:18 bring them up to just a hundred just to
0:59:20 feel normal
0:59:21 and i don't know if this narrative is
0:59:23 true you know i've heard experts say
0:59:25 this but i i can't say that i have no
0:59:26 studies
0:59:28 explains this for a fact but
0:59:30 i've definitely noticed a trend that
0:59:31 ex-boxers are not functional after yeah
0:59:34 i've seen yeah i've i've been in
0:59:35 thailand believe me i've been i've been
0:59:37 in the thick of it okay
0:59:38 land they they retire like 32 or
0:59:40 something right younger 526 yeah because
0:59:43 it's just too much is it because they
0:59:45 used to be on the stage and now they
0:59:46 have they have a regular job and that's
0:59:47 what's depressing them i don't know i
0:59:49 can't tell you that either narrative is
0:59:50 true i don't know for a fact i thought
0:59:52 it was because their bodies had had
0:59:53 enough i think it has a lot to do with
0:59:54 blows to the head is that yeah yeah um
0:59:57 i think excessive looks to the head
0:59:58 don't forget they do with elbows kicks
1:00:00 to the head it's brutal yeah that's why
1:00:02 i'm very sensitive to that issue your
1:00:04 brain is developing because the thing is
1:00:05 in thailand they make them fight with
1:00:07 elbows and knees as kids like we're
1:00:09 talking about seven-year-old
1:00:10 eight-year-old six years old
1:00:11 and they make them cut weight who knows
1:00:14 what that does to your organs and brain
1:00:15 i don't know what it does there's no
1:00:16 study that tells you there's no study
1:00:18 following kids cutting weight so i think
1:00:20 it's too much i rather my kids have a
1:00:22 development yeah their bodies fully
1:00:24 developed and then i'll add them to
1:00:26 these do you know an mma there are two
1:00:28 kind of if you want to call them that
1:00:29 schools of thought someone's come from a
1:00:31 specialist background and then they
1:00:32 learn the other two or three sports
1:00:34 whatever they're gonna learn all
1:00:35 together and someone who's trying to be
1:00:37 a generalist
1:00:38 in terms of effectiveness
1:00:40 and general efficacy who what do you
1:00:42 think other like where has success been
1:00:45 more seen
1:00:46 people that have for example freestyle
1:00:48 wrestling backgrounds and then they come
1:00:49 and they learn like a bit of striking
1:00:51 and
1:00:52 jiu-jitsu or someone who's trying to do
1:00:54 all three at the same time um i would
1:00:56 recommend doing wrestling and jiu jitsu
1:00:58 first
1:00:59 wrestling in jitsu shouldn't be
1:01:00 separated
1:01:01 and do that because you're gonna build
1:01:03 an athleticism the wrestlers have a
1:01:04 better athleticism
1:01:06 then let's go into striking
1:01:08 and i'll quick quick what age is always
1:01:10 talking about here
1:01:11 i would say look after your brain
1:01:12 finishes developing i would teach my
1:01:14 kids how to hit the bag earlier on like
1:01:16 my kids they don't do a lot of striking
1:01:18 they do a lot of wrestling in jiu jitsu
1:01:19 and then i make them hit the back let's
1:01:20 say once a week once every two weeks
1:01:22 just so they can develop that
1:01:24 coordination when they're young
1:01:25 because we've seen world champions pick
1:01:27 up kickboxing at the age of 14 and
1:01:29 become world champion by the time
1:01:30 they're 25.
1:01:31 what happened he learned in such a short
1:01:32 period well it doesn't take that long
1:01:35 it's not that it takes forever to learn
1:01:36 however
1:01:37 jiu jitsu is complicated yeah
1:01:40 and wrestling is there's a lot of
1:01:43 uh possibilities whereas in kickboxing
1:01:45 and muay thai
1:01:47 it's more about speeding timing the
1:01:48 possibilities are not that complicated
1:01:50 comparatively comparatively don't forget
1:01:52 and jiu jitsu jesus there's so many
1:01:54 nuances there's so many positions so
1:01:55 many things you have to learn cerebrally
1:01:58 now boxing is also you know there's a
1:02:00 lot of detail but nowhere near nobody
1:02:02 can the possibilities in wrestling in
1:02:03 jujitsu are far greater than striking
1:02:07 i i i saw a video of john jones one time
1:02:09 he was asking what's the most potent
1:02:12 sport um kind of martial in the sport
1:02:14 and he said it was freestyle wrestling
1:02:16 to what extent do you agree that if you
1:02:17 have a time limit i would say yeah it
1:02:19 makes sense if there's no time limit
1:02:20 it's jiu jitsu right because look jiu
1:02:23 jitsu was developed in the time of vale
1:02:24 tudor valley tutorial means anything
1:02:26 goes me and you would fight but there's
1:02:27 no time limit the winner gets the
1:02:28 videotape that's how it was
1:02:30 fights will last two three hours so what
1:02:32 you took me down so what however if you
1:02:34 take me down and there's only two
1:02:35 minutes left on the clock
1:02:37 and you just fend off my submissions and
1:02:39 you just kind of hold me tight and you
1:02:40 just and the bell rings they give you
1:02:42 the round you read
1:02:44 you repeat the process two more times
1:02:45 and you win
1:02:46 however that's just 15 minutes
1:02:48 that's not a long time for two guys to
1:02:50 find out who's a better fighter now
1:02:52 let's say that let's say we made it
1:02:53 unlimited rounds and the fighter the
1:02:55 wrestler gets subbed in seventh round
1:02:57 you'll be like oh the grappler is better
1:02:59 yeah but you didn't get to the seventh
1:03:00 round in competition night you only saw
1:03:02 the first three
1:03:03 because believe me when i tell you
1:03:05 um
1:03:06 the wrestlers don't have a way to end
1:03:07 the fight often
1:03:09 so i've seen many fights where there was
1:03:11 no time limit and the wrestler gets
1:03:13 subbed or knocked out or hurt because he
1:03:15 just had no way to end the fight he can
1:03:16 get the guy down he can't do anything
1:03:17 about it it takes years to refine how to
1:03:19 pass their guard mount them take their
1:03:20 back etc
1:03:21 so
1:03:23 with because we've made it more of a
1:03:24 sport it's more time sensitive i would
1:03:26 say yes makes sense
1:03:28 and on this point what do you think with
1:03:30 the whole comes out hamza chameleo and
1:03:34 burns
1:03:35 if it becomes a grappling affair then on
1:03:37 this analysis it should favor burns
1:03:39 because then he could yeah but because
1:03:41 of the time limit i don't think there's
1:03:42 much you can do like you have to look
1:03:43 the better the guy is the more sequences
1:03:45 i need to trap him
1:03:47 and the guy knows that so what he's
1:03:48 going to stall he's going to have stall
1:03:49 tactics he's not even going to do the
1:03:51 sequences he knows that if he keeps
1:03:52 breaking grips keep interrupting the
1:03:53 sequences he can eventually kill the
1:03:56 time so what do you think's going to
1:03:57 happen i think comes that's going to win
1:03:58 it's going to be a stand-up affair is it
1:04:00 yeah i think he has the reach the power
1:04:02 the the the distance he's assault pots
1:04:04 and open stance it could be harder for
1:04:06 uh bernstein he's a blue belt compared
1:04:08 to yeah but
1:04:09 that's that's misleading because he's
1:04:11 been wrestling his whole life and people
1:04:12 think wrestlers don't do ground that's
1:04:13 not true
1:04:14 see the fatal flaw in jiu jitsu is that
1:04:15 they do just ground a lot of them like
1:04:17 in my academy we do standing and we do
1:04:19 ground
1:04:20 wrestlers do standing and ground it's a
1:04:21 myth that they don't it's it's not true
1:04:23 that they do a different type of ground
1:04:25 but it's very relevant to what we do on
1:04:27 mma but
1:04:28 with the difference being with um anklev
1:04:30 and um
1:04:32 khabib is that they did right
1:04:34 whereas
1:04:35 whereas whereas hamza is coming from a
1:04:36 freestyle restaurant but freestyle they
1:04:38 do ground
1:04:39 yeah but they do like what you call it
1:04:41 gut wrench etc that's plenty they do a
1:04:43 lot of ground there is a lot of ground
1:04:45 so they know how to control their
1:04:47 balance they know how to hold you down
1:04:48 from getting up i don't think it's going
1:04:50 to be too much of a ground affair would
1:04:51 surprise me i mean nothing's impossible
1:04:52 but i think it's a it's a good very good
1:04:54 hamsa it's a very good fight for him
1:04:56 it's gonna be interesting i think if he
1:04:57 gets through this one
1:04:58 you know a very yeah i thought martial
1:05:00 is a world champion or in ibj
1:05:03 burns ah burns he is right so if he gets
1:05:05 through him i think that would
1:05:07 definitely mean that he's
1:05:08 i think one of the top guys there i
1:05:10 think the winner is going to get kobe
1:05:11 covington
1:05:13 hamzat or
1:05:14 burns
1:05:15 both of them i think either whoever wins
1:05:17 the fight gets kobe and the winner of
1:05:18 kobe versus
1:05:19 kamza go back tomorrow or yeah i think
1:05:22 we'll go to camaro but even then if it's
1:05:26 the thing is if kobe wins would they do
1:05:27 a third time
1:05:29 it's boring isn't it it's it's
1:05:31 i think it wouldn't sell yeah i mean
1:05:33 yeah i mean i would watch it but i don't
1:05:34 know if it's cell because he lost twice
1:05:36 convincingly yeah i think it would have
1:05:38 to be a camzat beating a kobe and now we
1:05:40 have a new contender they're saying kobe
1:05:41 is going to go up to middleweight now i
1:05:42 think
1:05:43 that's what no he said he's cooled up
1:05:46 yeah
1:05:47 oh uh
1:05:49 maybe he's called him up
1:05:51 you don't think he's because he's got a
1:05:52 grappling pedigree right or do you i
1:05:54 know he's very good look kobe is a real
1:05:55 he's a legit fighter yeah i don't know
1:05:57 if he beats uh
1:05:58 uh
1:05:59 i don't think so because
1:06:01 his fate or weakness was his gravity
1:06:03 yeah sure sure but he's much bigger
1:06:05 longer stronger dangerous at the same
1:06:07 thing
1:06:09 was bigger and stronger that's the
1:06:11 difference yeah blood blochovic was 205
1:06:14 yeah
1:06:15 i think pound for pound at the seniors
1:06:16 better than blojovic yeah but there's a
1:06:19 massive there's a 20 pound weight
1:06:20 difference wait a way in difference not
1:06:22 even a weight difference
1:06:23 blhovich was even bigger than that
1:06:25 that's a massive order so adesanio beats
1:06:27 kovy covington you see bobby covington
1:06:31 what do you think is going to happen
1:06:32 between him and uh hamzat if they go i
1:06:34 think hamzad has his number really yeah
1:06:36 with the grappling and stuff striking
1:06:38 cannot strike him really
1:06:40 i think so possible here's the thing
1:06:42 here here's my i want to say one thing
1:06:44 we haven't seen hamzat in later rounds
1:06:46 sometimes the guy looks so good in round
1:06:48 one and round two he falls apart round
1:06:49 three he falls apart so i don't know
1:06:51 that about him yet i don't know if he
1:06:52 fights hard all the way to the third but
1:06:53 if he can maintain what he does in
1:06:55 rounds one
1:06:56 because all i've seen is round one from
1:06:58 we'll beat everybody him
1:06:59 seen a lot from madison i mean he's good
1:07:01 we know we know what he looks like
1:07:02 around five and he's very durable yeah
1:07:04 he's very durable yeah and uh
1:07:07 mike there's a question mark and comes
1:07:09 that does he have that durability i
1:07:10 think so but we haven't seen it yet
1:07:12 that's why i don't want to jump the gun
1:07:13 and say yes he has it i don't know i
1:07:14 haven't seen that yet but
1:07:16 uh i i really like him against kobe so
1:07:18 do you think he's that he he faces
1:07:19 better chances against um
1:07:23 sanya than he does against
1:07:25 than he does against um
1:07:32 that's tough to call i think uzman's
1:07:33 ultimate challenge for hamzad right yeah
1:07:36 because usman is very mentally tough
1:07:37 also not that arasanya isn't but
1:07:39 it's going to be easier to take down i
1:07:40 think than uh kumaro
1:07:43 that's that's the problem isn't that
1:07:44 because kumar was he's only ever been
1:07:45 taken down once in his career not that
1:07:47 they counted it when kobe took him down
1:07:48 the last fight they didn't statistically
1:07:50 count it but in my opinion it was it was
1:07:52 a takedown who would you have between
1:07:54 usman and george simpion
1:07:58 am i getting in trouble now
1:08:00 listen i love both those guys yeah but
1:08:02 if i have to be totally candid i think
1:08:04 george just has more skills
1:08:05 yeah george has more skills even now
1:08:07 he's more developed yeah even though
1:08:08 like his game goes deeper he has more
1:08:10 layers
1:08:12 and i love usman i really love us man i
1:08:13 i love the guy he's
1:08:15 if you met i don't know if you met him
1:08:18 he's a very sweet humble person kind
1:08:20 salted the earth guy um
1:08:24 this goes beyond you know but i guess
1:08:26 so so yeah but exactly so sure i i hate
1:08:28 to pick one over the other because i
1:08:29 like them both so much but george's game
1:08:31 just goes deeper
1:08:32 yeah he's just he has a greater
1:08:34 understanding of
1:08:35 what about khabib versus uh
1:08:38 pound for a pound
1:08:39 well if they had to catch weight let's
1:08:40 see
1:08:43 people are gonna people are gonna grill
1:08:44 me for this but i'll pick khabib i think
1:08:46 i think that highly of khabib i think
1:08:47 khabib is the ultimate killing machine
1:08:49 he's incredible
1:08:51 so i just feel that khabib has a few
1:08:53 more layers and he's he's just
1:08:55 he's as tough mentally as as usman
1:08:58 and not that i ever want to see them
1:08:59 fight they're close you know they would
1:09:01 never fight each other but i think i
1:09:02 think khabib is like he's a special cut
1:09:05 above
1:09:06 he's very special khabib
1:09:09 i wanted to speak to you more about your
1:09:10 philosophies
1:09:13 but i think what we'll do is we'll do um
1:09:16 when you're when you're back in canada
1:09:17 we'll do an episode just for them
1:09:20 uh because
1:09:21 last time when when i did this
1:09:23 and we said oh we got for us we we made
1:09:25 it the opposite way we kind of spoke
1:09:27 more about the feel philosophical issues
1:09:28 more
1:09:29 and the um
1:09:31 and the the the sports stuff less but
1:09:34 this i think
1:09:35 you know the first time we had a fleshed
1:09:37 out conversation about these things i
1:09:39 think this is very important for the
1:09:40 muslim community but obviously people
1:09:42 don't realize that you have been
1:09:44 really deeply involved i mean one time
1:09:47 maybe you wouldn't mind me saying this
1:09:48 but
1:09:49 in addition to your training you do
1:09:51 hours and hours of studying don't you
1:09:53 like
1:09:54 maybe three four five hours a day or
1:09:56 some how many hours yeah i would say two
1:09:58 to five sometimes wow wow when i travel
1:10:01 you read that much yeah i do what do you
1:10:04 read what do you do
1:10:06 i do a lot of you know what i really
1:10:07 like uh is audible audible.com i use a
1:10:10 lot of their
1:10:11 audiobooks i do a lot of lectures i find
1:10:13 lectures online science history
1:10:14 philosophy
1:10:16 religion i like to listen to debates
1:10:18 lectures i mean absolutely everything on
1:10:20 science history philosophy religion i
1:10:22 listen to all of it i buy all the books
1:10:24 i buy hundreds of books
1:10:25 and for me it's a pleasure just
1:10:27 listening to it as a pleasure like
1:10:28 people listen to music i listen to
1:10:29 audiobooks wow yeah and and as it helped
1:10:33 you gain a sense of spirituality now
1:10:34 we're two weeks away from ramadan
1:10:37 like the the spiritual aspects of islam
1:10:40 you've been reading a lot of ghazali
1:10:41 recently as well haven't you and
1:10:44 what have you what have you kind of
1:10:45 taken from that and
1:10:47 for people that might be listening to
1:10:48 this who might not be aware of the
1:10:50 islamic tradition in particular
1:10:51 what would you guide them to in terms of
1:10:54 reading material
1:10:56 i think gazelle is hard to read honestly
1:10:58 okay i think i think i would if i didn't
1:11:01 study philosophy for so many years
1:11:02 before gazali i wouldn't have understood
1:11:04 anything he meant so i think hazel is
1:11:06 actually quite a difficult read
1:11:09 it's not a good place to start per se if
1:11:11 you don't have a background yeah if you
1:11:12 if you don't have a background then you
1:11:13 start with the quran you know exactly
1:11:15 with the profit
1:11:17 it's a long ways away
1:11:19 um
1:11:20 i don't think i don't think philosophy
1:11:22 is a place where you start yeah i
1:11:24 definitely don't think you start there
1:11:25 uh but you can you can build to that and
1:11:28 um
1:11:29 you know it's it's it's
1:11:31 again you know you start with the quran
1:11:32 the sunnah and then
1:11:35 i'll listen i studied the greeks i
1:11:37 studied muslim philosophers and the
1:11:39 british empiricism and enlightenment
1:11:41 period i think the three together
1:11:44 because i think a lot of them each one
1:11:45 of them was commentary of the on the
1:11:47 past they were influenced by the past
1:11:49 and
1:11:50 logic is an innate thing
1:11:53 so hazel said it beautifully said it
1:11:55 doesn't matter who said it we have to
1:11:56 study each
1:11:57 each claim by itself standing alone and
1:12:00 see whether it's true or not doesn't
1:12:01 matter if aristotle said something or
1:12:03 this guy said something it doesn't
1:12:04 matter we have to verify it for
1:12:05 ourselves we have to have demonstration
1:12:08 and this is this is i think very
1:12:09 important but ultimately speaking
1:12:11 everything boils back down to the fitrah
1:12:14 like you can't go further than that once
1:12:15 you try to go further than that this is
1:12:16 the limit
1:12:18 and
1:12:19 this is what gives certainty hazali's
1:12:21 work is all about getting to certainty
1:12:24 and certainty is a very special thing we
1:12:25 have to differentiate between knowledge
1:12:27 and belief
1:12:28 and certainty is a type of knowledge
1:12:30 that's that's unique
1:12:32 and once you find that nucleus
1:12:34 everything else makes sense everything
1:12:35 makes sense
1:12:36 but you have to get to that nucleus and
1:12:38 that's what he does that's that was his
1:12:40 his uh
1:12:42 crisis as he describes it you know he
1:12:44 went through a crisis because he wanted
1:12:45 to know what's the bedrock of it all
1:12:47 and it's quite a profound thing and
1:12:51 for you reading the quran
1:12:54 and reflecting over and and things like
1:12:56 that what are some of the main things
1:12:58 you have taken away from from that
1:13:00 reading
1:13:01 i think i think the quran
1:13:03 it
1:13:04 it
1:13:05 touches on every type of logic
1:13:08 and it ultimately tells you look
1:13:11 you were born with this special thing
1:13:12 called the fitra this innate belief this
1:13:15 tao had within you
1:13:17 and you have to revert back to that
1:13:18 natural religion
1:13:19 and the quran is reminding you and
1:13:21 telling you about it and
1:13:22 like we were talking about earlier there
1:13:24 are levels of truth there are levels
1:13:26 there
1:13:27 when we talk about what is true that's a
1:13:29 very complicated thing you could put 10
1:13:30 experts in epistemology in one room and
1:13:32 they won't agree on the definition of
1:13:34 truth
1:13:35 so how are you making claims to truth
1:13:36 when we don't even have the definition
1:13:37 of it i think islam ultimately is asking
1:13:40 you to discover
1:13:41 the ultimate truth now
1:13:44 god himself in my opinion the way i
1:13:46 understand it
1:13:47 is actually the only thing that is a
1:13:49 hundred percent objectively true
1:13:51 do you know this is actually a beautiful
1:13:53 um hadith on this there was there's a
1:13:55 poem uh a pre-islamic poet called labit
1:13:59 and
1:14:00 um
1:14:01 he was one of the people actually
1:14:03 because before islam there were there
1:14:05 were poems that were hung up on the um
1:14:07 the kaaba
1:14:08 called them
1:14:09 one of the one of the main people that
1:14:11 wrote was a person called
1:14:13 but he was also a time he was at the
1:14:14 time of the prophet as well and he had a
1:14:17 very um interesting line of poetry which
1:14:20 was
1:14:23 whatever is other than allah is in vain
1:14:26 was not true or is not fully true
1:14:28 and the prophet actually commented on
1:14:30 this line of poetry and he said that
1:14:31 this
1:14:32 is the truest thing a poet has ever said
1:14:34 alhamdulillah which is kind of in line
1:14:36 with what you're saying isn't it
1:14:38 it's
1:14:40 it's something we all know
1:14:43 but
1:14:45 i think ever that's why i say i don't
1:14:46 believe in atheism bring me an atheist
1:14:47 i'm going to find you a deity he
1:14:48 believes it bring me an atheist
1:14:51 they all believe in something
1:14:53 he believes in he believes in a deity
1:14:54 somewhere somehow i'm going to find the
1:14:55 deity in his beliefs i'm going to
1:14:57 cross-examine aluminum and how are you
1:14:58 defining a deity here
1:15:01 something you project from your mind
1:15:03 onto the world
1:15:04 and my definition will go further in
1:15:06 this but just to keep it simple let's
1:15:07 give for
1:15:08 instance nature nature is the most
1:15:10 famous deity in today's age nature what
1:15:13 brought us about nature
1:15:14 nature is just that a word is just sound
1:15:16 you made with your mouth what does it
1:15:18 mean nature
1:15:19 see
1:15:20 nature comes from your observation of
1:15:22 particulars if i asked you what is
1:15:24 nature you would say
1:15:25 well you would have to point to examples
1:15:27 you would say look at that flower
1:15:30 that's nature okay if i destroy all the
1:15:32 flowers nature's gone no no no there's
1:15:33 also
1:15:34 the river
1:15:36 the water cycle the trees
1:15:38 the
1:15:39 the
1:15:40 the bees the ants the cattle
1:15:43 okay what if i destroy all that oh no
1:15:45 there's still more what if i destroy
1:15:47 every particular thing
1:15:49 what if we had a universe an empty
1:15:50 universe would you know nature now you
1:15:53 wouldn't know nature now there's nothing
1:15:54 there's no collective
1:15:56 so
1:15:57 how do you know nature well you saw
1:15:58 blades of grass
1:16:01 you felt the wind
1:16:02 and the word nature is just a collective
1:16:04 to name all those particulars you
1:16:05 experienced
1:16:06 i mean this is exactly what um i think
1:16:09 he believed in that and certainly
1:16:10 nominalism yeah nominalism and and um
1:16:15 was you could say conceptualist as well
1:16:16 like in the sense that he didn't believe
1:16:18 in el culiereto like the gene genuses or
1:16:21 the universals existed
1:16:23 in reality and said you only know them
1:16:25 through the particulars we're projecting
1:16:26 them from our minds this is a name i
1:16:28 give like for instance how many trees
1:16:30 does it take to make a forest well
1:16:31 that's subjective you might have a
1:16:32 different number than me it's a
1:16:34 projection of our mind what do you think
1:16:36 it is it's there's there's subjectivity
1:16:37 is always mingled in what you what you
1:16:39 call truth
1:16:41 except in one instance
1:16:42 so there's part concept part observation
1:16:46 in a quran it says do they not
1:16:48 consider the seed that they sow like
1:16:51 your
1:16:52 nature is coming after your observation
1:16:54 so i observed
1:16:56 particulars
1:16:57 then i came up with the idea of nature
1:16:59 without the particulars that universal
1:17:01 doesn't exist
1:17:03 the universal is dependent on
1:17:05 particulars
1:17:06 allah is telling you look i don't depend
1:17:08 on particulars
1:17:09 i am the particular this is the quranic
1:17:11 point of view
1:17:12 so one example i've
1:17:14 come up with recently is to help make
1:17:16 this even clearer is remember the ship
1:17:18 of thesis yeah okay so let's think about
1:17:20 the ship of thesis okay i'm gonna i'm
1:17:22 gonna go through it again real quick
1:17:23 because i know we've done it before yeah
1:17:24 the ship of thesis is a ship of 99 parts
1:17:27 it belongs to a man named thesis every
1:17:29 day he changes changes apart
1:17:32 after 99 days his ship has been
1:17:34 completely re
1:17:35 every pace has been changed 99 days 99
1:17:38 parts
1:17:39 those old parts we put them in a
1:17:40 warehouse somewhere he's sailing that
1:17:42 ship we all identified as the ship of
1:17:44 thesis
1:17:46 then one day i go in the warehouse i put
1:17:47 this the old pieces back together now
1:17:49 there are two ships on the ocean we both
1:17:51 call them both the ship of theseus and
1:17:52 if i ask you which one is the ship of
1:17:53 pieces
1:17:54 well now it has a lot to do with your
1:17:56 subjective uh sense of what identity is
1:17:59 there's no objective way to
1:18:00 differentiate which one is the ship of
1:18:02 thesis
1:18:03 now imagine these two ships are i'm
1:18:05 gonna make the problem even worse
1:18:06 imagine these two ships are going around
1:18:08 on the ocean
1:18:10 and every day each ship is still
1:18:11 changing a new piece
1:18:14 and the old pieces i'm taking from both
1:18:15 ships and i'm creating a third ship
1:18:19 and the ships are changing piece every
1:18:20 day and
1:18:21 they're they're their particulars are
1:18:23 being mingled shuffled like a card of
1:18:25 deck of cards and i'm making thousands
1:18:26 and thousands of ships now ask you which
1:18:28 one is the ship of thesis you're like
1:18:29 hey well you know it all depends on how
1:18:30 you see it
1:18:33 the ship of thesis is an archetype
1:18:36 there's an archetype in your mind and
1:18:37 you use that archetype this is what
1:18:39 plato called the forms to identify
1:18:40 what's out there
1:18:43 but now i want you to
1:18:45 put this example to the side think about
1:18:47 a ship now if i told you about a ship
1:18:49 it's the divine ship
1:18:51 this ship is not trans it doesn't
1:18:53 transition it doesn't change it always
1:18:54 was will always be and there will never
1:18:56 be another ship
1:18:57 you no longer need this archetype
1:18:59 there's no more form of ship
1:19:02 you had an archetype because that thing
1:19:03 the original example i gave
1:19:05 the ship of thesis that goes through a
1:19:07 change like me and you our bodies after
1:19:09 seven years of life your entire all your
1:19:11 cells have been changed in your body
1:19:14 we are like the ship of theseus we are
1:19:16 part archetype we are part observation
1:19:18 we are part object
1:19:22 but imagine a ship that was divine
1:19:24 never changes and never will change and
1:19:26 always was
1:19:28 if i told you if i asked you something
1:19:30 about that ship if i told you where's
1:19:31 the ship of these you say that's the
1:19:33 ship of theseus now there's no more
1:19:35 archetype there's no more subjectivity
1:19:38 there's no more your opinion is
1:19:39 different than mine and we're equally
1:19:41 true we're not equal footing no more now
1:19:42 there are facts now it's truly objective
1:19:44 in the original
1:19:46 example i gave you it was subjective the
1:19:48 truth was subjective there was part
1:19:50 object
1:19:52 part archetype so there was room for
1:19:54 subjectivity now there is no more room
1:19:56 for when there is only one
1:19:59 see like if you give me a
1:20:01 a pagan god there's an archetype to
1:20:03 their gods
1:20:05 this is what i refer to oftentimes as
1:20:06 the abrahamic experience you have to
1:20:08 strike down
1:20:09 all
1:20:11 the multiplicities because to get to
1:20:14 objectivity pure objectivity which is
1:20:16 what ghazali was looking for when allah
1:20:18 tells you i am one he's telling you look
1:20:19 i am literal i am the particular
1:20:23 you all are particulars and universals
1:20:25 you are not like me
1:20:28 is one category there will never be any
1:20:31 category like this
1:20:33 this is what the quran is telling allah
1:20:35 like
1:20:36 you have to understand when
1:20:37 when i teach you language when you learn
1:20:39 language every word is dependent on
1:20:41 another word
1:20:43 if i want to explain you what table
1:20:44 means i have to explain to you the words
1:20:46 i have to use words and those words that
1:20:47 i use to explain the word table also are
1:20:49 contingent on other words
1:20:52 how can i explain to you table if
1:20:53 there's an infinite regress of
1:20:54 contingent words well i have to give you
1:20:56 experience i have to tell you look this
1:20:57 is a table
1:20:59 now you have direct experience with the
1:21:01 table
1:21:02 the word table goes with it if you
1:21:03 didn't see a table i could never use
1:21:06 words to explain to you what table is i
1:21:08 have to i have to
1:21:09 tie it with some experience you have
1:21:12 this is very important because when i
1:21:13 tell you about allah you don't tell me
1:21:14 what does that mean i never heard of
1:21:15 this no you know exactly but i never
1:21:18 pointed i never pointed here this is
1:21:20 allah
1:21:22 you know allah so i say there's no
1:21:23 atheist
1:21:24 because i've never spoke to a person who
1:21:26 said look i don't even understand what
1:21:27 you're talking about
1:21:29 because if i'm
1:21:30 you cannot truly make up something all
1:21:32 you could do is take things that exist
1:21:34 and make a collage
1:21:37 so if people tell me look i believe in
1:21:38 the god of war i might say no you took
1:21:40 god and you took war and you mingled
1:21:42 them together
1:21:44 but
1:21:45 like a blind man can never know the
1:21:47 color red
1:21:48 unless you fix his eyes and he sees red
1:21:51 like that when i talk to you about allah
1:21:52 you know exactly what i'm talking about
1:21:54 wow
1:21:56 so i i came up with another thought
1:21:57 experiment to try to teach this to to
1:21:59 make it more simple mm-hmm what gazelle
1:22:01 is trying to say
1:22:03 we've all you've heard about the beetle
1:22:04 in the box so for instance this is to
1:22:06 point to the heart problem of
1:22:07 consciousness imagine i have a insider i
1:22:09 have a box and inside this box i open
1:22:10 the box inside there's a beetle
1:22:13 you you have your own box you open your
1:22:14 box you see a beetle
1:22:16 but there's no beetles in existence we
1:22:17 don't see them when we observe the world
1:22:19 around us we all see books we see
1:22:20 microphones we see cars but we don't see
1:22:21 any beetles but when i look at my box i
1:22:24 tell you i try to explain to you what
1:22:25 i'm seeing and you try to explain to me
1:22:26 what you're seeing or like hey we both
1:22:27 have one
1:22:29 we both have a beetle in the box
1:22:31 every person we meet they all have a
1:22:32 beetle in the box but we can't look in
1:22:34 each other's box this is what's known in
1:22:36 philosophy as the ego centric
1:22:37 predicament you're trapped within your
1:22:38 own body
1:22:42 if i tell you hey guys my beetle has a
1:22:45 blonde hair
1:22:48 you're like wait a second no blonde hair
1:22:49 is that's dunya
1:22:51 you're taking the beetle and you're
1:22:52 mixing it with what you saw in the world
1:22:54 the beetle in the box is not we're not
1:22:56 seeing it in the dunya we're seeing it
1:22:57 internally we're having direct
1:22:58 experience with the beetle in the box
1:23:02 any if i tell you hey my my beetle is
1:23:04 wearing boxing gloves you can be like no
1:23:05 no that part's not true
1:23:07 that part's not true because that's not
1:23:08 what i'm seeing when i'm looking you're
1:23:09 taking dunya and you're mixing it in
1:23:11 with the beetle in the box so every
1:23:14 every human being is born with this
1:23:15 fitra this belief in one god
1:23:18 you're incubated in it
1:23:20 then when you're born you find things
1:23:22 that
1:23:23 you want to associate with it you want
1:23:24 to mingle with it
1:23:25 and then therefore you have polygamy
1:23:28 that's another you know another
1:23:31 sorry did i say polygamy yeah freudian
1:23:34 slip you said
1:23:38 yeah well i meant um
1:23:41 uh
1:23:42 assimilation no no no multiple gods and
1:23:44 integration no no no monopolism
1:23:49 we're both thinking polygamy
1:23:50 [Laughter]
1:23:52 sorry my fault yeah that's fine edit
1:23:54 that part for my wife please
1:23:56 it's okay don't worry yeah um yep uh not
1:24:00 polygamy
1:24:02 polytheism
1:24:05 so that's where where polytheism comes
1:24:07 from yeah i always tell people you learn
1:24:09 the number one first
1:24:10 then you learn two you can't learn the
1:24:12 number two
1:24:14 two is one and one
1:24:16 you cannot explain the number ten
1:24:17 without referring to the number one
1:24:20 every other
1:24:22 supposed deity
1:24:25 is a mingling of the number one
1:24:27 so like all words
1:24:30 rely on experience experiences
1:24:33 when we say the word god it also relies
1:24:35 on experience
1:24:37 there's not a word you know that doesn't
1:24:39 rely on experience that's very deep it's
1:24:40 very important it's amazing that's why
1:24:42 there is no there is no atheist on the
1:24:44 face of the earth
1:24:46 there is not an atheist when they tell
1:24:47 me nature did it i'm like man he still
1:24:50 hasn't understood the difference between
1:24:51 universal and particulars wow well with
1:24:54 that i mean i have to say it's been a
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