Scholarly Christian Tries His Hardest To Prove Trinity (2017-06-13) ​

0:00:00 frankly the morality of question I think
0:00:01 that question should be asked your
0:00:02 priests with themselves and understand
0:00:04 it that's all you had modeless and five
0:00:05 sizes and different it with the
0:00:08 approximate no no one disagreed also
0:00:10 hate no one realized you have sex to be
0:00:12 the owner to criticize you your primary
0:00:14 discreet as well but no one disagrees
0:00:16 there is no limitations of the Bible
0:00:18 because I listen this is why me you
0:00:20 supervise them I'm saying you've said
0:00:22 about a different sect of Islam
0:00:24 look at what your for suppose what you
0:00:27 my question to you was simple yeah and I
0:00:29 want you to answer my question I'm
0:00:30 saying to you look we've got three
0:00:33 possibilities
0:00:33 it was previously relieved and innocent
0:00:36 I don't feel impression is this is a
0:00:37 father quick serve either it since the
0:00:39 father the ultimate creates or both
0:00:41 exists yes or no
0:00:44 Yoshio defined you're making like it
0:00:46 doesn't run it is the father bill such a
0:00:49 solemn ask you this is our questioning
0:00:51 you it's a father frame of the question
0:00:53 yeah which you become confused by the
0:00:55 way you frame the question why argue it
0:00:57 we argue and you know answer my question
0:00:59 if your people are realizing that
0:01:00 nothing else your wife is because
0:01:05 philosophers and restricted line is the
0:01:11 crater crash is the father the creator
0:01:13 you know the question fundamentally
0:01:14 wrong really understand the Christian
0:01:17 constables go I'm just asking is a
0:01:19 fundraiser on chronic say that's a super
0:01:21 father come Holy Spirit that he's the
0:01:24 traitor who the father horizontal
0:01:26 between goes the grip now I'm just
0:01:28 asking you now let me let me with your
0:01:30 journey the Trinity has three different
0:01:32 part yeah not on okay three different
0:01:35 persons I saw it I apologize I put my my
0:01:37 mistake my mistake my mistake Monica
0:01:39 very promising research okay fine like
0:01:42 which is fine fine I retracted it I
0:01:45 retracted it I'm sorry I'm late okay you
0:01:49 must get it right all right now Peter
0:01:51 Fonda that's one person else did the
0:01:53 father
0:01:54 solely and ultimately create universes
0:01:56 on earth or creating the world
0:01:58 the father cylinder
0:02:01 laughing mr. popper this is becoming a
0:02:04 spectacle but you want to sail
0:02:07 especially with Genesis in Genesis 1:1
0:02:11 it's only we don't want let the public
0:02:13 see for yourself okay let's go by myself
0:02:15 according to the Bible here's a fully
0:02:17 holy search he's probably going to be a
0:02:19 bishop yes yes let us make man in our
0:02:22 image but my issue here is this Jesus
0:02:25 fine but we did Jesus Christ for crater
0:02:28 and I know you know you don't believe it
0:02:30 you can't you can't seriously listen
0:02:32 this and Roger I know you see the
0:02:34 contradiction you interrupted me yes I'm
0:02:37 sorry buddy I'm sorry I sick dog I think
0:02:40 the problem is what you're doing right
0:02:41 now you're going to pray for a frame of
0:02:43 honor and the way you want I'm asking up
0:02:44 some parsley and it's a fair question
0:02:47 I'm sure they'd all be honest with
0:02:49 yourself yes let the Bible speak
0:02:50 I'm being honest I'm asking is this a
0:02:53 fair question did the father create the
0:02:55 universe yes or no with a fellow with a
0:02:57 son Holy Spirit era there's a father so
0:02:59 neat no no no no no my question and the
0:03:02 holy supply power did the father create
0:03:12 the universe only harmonious our son
0:03:15 Holy Spirit create the universe I'm
0:03:16 asking you about the father once Oh Lord
0:03:19 father son Holy Spirit so no daughters
0:03:22 oh great so there are so your answer is
0:03:24 no then God in himself
0:03:26 now this for the father by himself is
0:03:28 not cleaning responsibility okay
0:03:30 the father is an entity is a person yeah
0:03:34 okay so I can research you the father
0:03:36 specifically yes okay I'm asking your
0:03:40 question just about the father I'm
0:03:42 asking did the father create the
0:03:45 universe yes or no it's such an easy
0:03:47 question I can't believe that we do this
0:03:49 the problem is getting on a species is
0:03:54 contrasting cause it's once you sound
0:03:56 like a politician my mind like a very
0:03:59 fancy
0:04:01 Julian tonight you want you want a
0:04:03 hooker you're right a question I'm
0:04:05 trying to teach you something I say look
0:04:06 don't try am I not allowed according to
0:04:10 the Trinity your understanding of the
0:04:11 Constitution - yeah
0:04:13 am I not allowed to make specific
0:04:15 references so I also have the three
0:04:18 entities of the tourney am I not allowed
0:04:20 to do that but you understand how the
0:04:21 Bible talks about Thor what is one okay
0:04:24 fine fine every first year hisses you
0:04:26 can't separate the father the father
0:04:28 make you puke on Wednesday we'll make
0:04:31 sure so I can talk about the fun one so
0:04:32 we can talk about I'm trying to say your
0:04:34 question is why do you need to
0:04:38 understand how project within the Bible
0:04:39 and why this report with this behavior
0:04:41 stops one yes I clearly see that Jesus
0:04:44 Christ is worship before him jealous God
0:04:46 the particle a master yes of course the
0:04:48 part is called for the sons of God it
0:04:51 said that the Sun for the world going
0:04:52 back to our previous open
0:04:53 nobody's various sports that we
0:04:55 apprentice well what about occupy you
0:04:57 see you're asking because they kind of
0:04:58 look at the understand in the Bible to
0:05:00 say an agreement abilities review
0:05:03 Keeley's Elohim prefer listen listen
0:05:05 listen listen listen my question is it's
0:05:07 a misdemeanor and real it can be look at
0:05:10 me
0:05:10 Andrew it says I'm not the Moblin mind
0:05:12 games I'm asking you straight forward
0:05:15 person now let me ask you a question did
0:05:17 the Holy Spirit clear the universe the
0:05:19 Jesus Prayer universe did the power pity
0:05:21 of us okay now if I say to you look if
0:05:25 they all clear the universe has the Holy
0:05:27 Spirit go on independent will it doesn't
0:05:30 have an independent will Jesus will have
0:05:32 an independent real the father of
0:05:33 non-violent offender will will okay all
0:05:38 right what so Jesus can't make decisions
0:05:41 one of us is when you but you see he
0:05:43 discussed our great teachers had praise
0:05:45 to the Father
0:05:46 it is my Lord and my god it says because
0:05:49 I'm very clearly when you buddy prayed
0:05:51 or have independent will explain yes
0:05:54 because if they have one one will do
0:05:57 knowledge they don't have a dependable
0:05:58 it's God's will you call it
0:06:00 okay now this is so good would you agree
0:06:03 decision sir would you agree that his
0:06:06 people power/power the PhD students to
0:06:09 come to earth ironically would you agree
0:06:10 with this way which means a little
0:06:12 awesome
0:06:13 has Jesus going independent will he said
0:06:16 no I said does the father have an
0:06:18 independent way to know such as always
0:06:20 to have an independent way to know is
0:06:21 that your understanding of the tree okay
0:06:23 so well you have to say when you're
0:06:24 talking about the will make sure not
0:06:26 human village Jesus not I'm talking look
0:06:29 for example here with the father that
0:06:31 I'm just ocular straightforward question
0:06:33 independent means that there's no other
0:06:35 into the interdependent agencies I'm
0:06:37 just saying as a father have an
0:06:38 independent will or an interdependent
0:06:41 world
0:06:41 that's what person I'm sorry so the
0:06:43 father does not have an independent rule
0:06:44 no okay so the father I cannot make a
0:06:47 decision
0:06:48 this is such a this is presently there
0:06:51 are other can I think the father cannot
0:06:52 make a decision unless you have a two
0:06:54 agencies agree yeah okay let's do this
0:06:57 it's we're going to go back to the
0:06:59 scripture when it's talking about the
0:07:00 winnable yeah and whatever son yes what
0:07:03 we normally understand what I price in
0:07:04 the human a cartoon so you have a bill
0:07:08 in this provide confidence up here yeah
0:07:10 so here in the to nature yeah this by
0:07:12 nature the atom one will be human nature
0:07:14 got another way okay now I want to ask
0:07:16 you for a question this is so important
0:07:18 it is on board so forth are you saying
0:07:22 independency means you're not
0:07:24 independent it's definitely the weather
0:07:26 in every Rosa my question here today is
0:07:29 so the father cannot make a decision
0:07:31 unless the Holy Spirit and Jesus
0:07:34 approves this decision yes whether from
0:07:37 under public using all the second okay
0:07:40 okay all right you have to then first be
0:07:45 same because the Father Son Holy Spirit
0:07:47 are perfectly good all right that means
0:07:49 that they will automatically follow the
0:07:51 same wills together no no okay so there
0:07:54 will never be a classroom Jake I know
0:07:56 your question is non-sensitive
0:07:58 you know it's not the same as complete
0:08:01 one second one second go ahead sir to
0:08:03 sing the Son and the spirit yes it's
0:08:05 through agree to something yes then you
0:08:07 are presupposing that they could
0:08:09 disagree
0:08:09 none of our because not presuppose that
0:08:11 let's ignore pieces I'm in agreement no
0:08:14 no no but that means that they have to
0:08:15 be the plan oh no no no no I'm saying it
0:08:17 no no no I want to share Bella it's one
0:08:20 thing you got the Father Son Holy Spirit
0:08:21 yeah you're saying that the father it's
0:08:25 not possible for the father to come to
0:08:26 an independent will that they have to be
0:08:28 independent interdependent with the Holy
0:08:30 Spirit and the son yeah
0:08:33 okay this suggests this suggests a
0:08:37 compromise between the three the three
0:08:39 different wheels so in other words all
0:08:41 three agencies all three entities have
0:08:44 come together and one of the two ways
0:08:47 and have come to basically they've
0:08:49 unified will I'll tell you one of the
0:08:51 two ways runway is that one will force
0:08:56 the other two wills to be subordinated
0:08:57 to them which obviously you don't agree
0:08:59 without considering yeah that's the
0:09:00 coordination isn't the other the other
0:09:03 possibility is that they were forced
0:09:05 into a democratic type compromise so
0:09:07 they came together the world came
0:09:09 together literally like in they're doing
0:09:10 the house of parliament and the settlers
0:09:12 okay let's make sure that we agree on
0:09:14 every single thing and therefore the
0:09:17 compromise was made between all three
0:09:19 wheels is that correct
0:09:20 okay so I'll say it depends what you
0:09:22 mean by subordination of them yes you
0:09:23 can hold two functional simulation okay
0:09:26 which is saying that there is
0:09:27 subordination in their relations okay
0:09:29 we're not in their essence so there is
0:09:31 not an ontological subordination
0:09:33 so our giving example arianism here
0:09:36 saying that the father and the son had
0:09:38 differences in their head yes in their
0:09:40 ontology yes so that's why the Sun was
0:09:42 I'm subordinate to the father and that
0:09:44 was a problem that was a half thousand
0:09:46 register while in the Trinity there's
0:09:48 always been understood that there is a
0:09:49 functionals of automation
0:09:50 okay so who's the fella doc yeah there
0:09:52 is a relational hierarchy in the Trinity
0:09:55 a relation while not one of essence
0:09:57 Western center because the father is the
0:09:59 one who generates your son the pergola
0:10:02 okay and the spirit is one who's spy
0:10:04 rated by the bar today Israel a nation I
0:10:07 rock we're not wanted okay the answer
0:10:11 was it I think I read that that's that's
0:10:15 what the learning yes just something
0:10:17 Joshua what people yes yeah sure Andrew
0:10:21 yep I've been going but I think I think
0:10:23 both of you don't understand what the
0:10:25 earlier thing no let me to go is so I
0:10:29 gave me an example so when you have an
0:10:32 ontological
0:10:33 okay differs between an SM betwee to
0:10:36 individualism okay you're saying that
0:10:37 one in their essence is less than the
0:10:39 other so a few minutes are forget it I
0:10:41 have an ontological difference with
0:10:43 another animal an animal is metal
0:10:46 simple okay or cat wasn't honest to suit
0:10:49 our agency so you're all your value is
0:10:51 higher than them you can't do that away
0:10:53 because that's why you don't going to
0:10:55 tell for you know very have to kill an
0:10:57 animal with something wrong okay but if
0:10:59 you look at a family that's right that's
0:11:01 based on like our religious respect it
0:11:02 was like eleven is the more the thing
0:11:04 okay what slice your dog on you and they
0:11:06 give argon yeah and I'm saying I'm
0:11:08 making a similar one so then if you're
0:11:10 looking at relational subordination yeah
0:11:12 you can see in less in a family family
0:11:15 unit yes okay I and my father are same
0:11:18 in essence there is no ontological you
0:11:20 know like the feminist I'm a human
0:11:22 either you are a human from that
0:11:24 perspective yes okay so when were you in
0:11:26 the dog are the same and essences or
0:11:27 then you want to I don't share the same
0:11:29 exercises or if you do I thought the
0:11:31 human no no no no no mmm no let me tell
0:11:34 me one another
0:11:35 yes so depends on which dog you're
0:11:37 talking about some humans are real those
0:11:39 are going back we're gonna say yeah
0:11:42 actually this is going back to this is
0:11:46 called taxonomy K all these are called
0:11:47 taxonomy or classification yeah they're
0:11:49 actually arbitrary someone has come
0:11:52 about and said look let us differentiate
0:11:55 between you and the dog on the basis we
0:11:59 need to go yell combat that's right
0:12:00 we'll carry on yes ma'am okay let's give
0:12:03 you and the dog are differentiated on
0:12:06 let's say all the species basis yeah
0:12:08 well if I came along and said you know
0:12:10 hold on I don't want you to be
0:12:12 differentiated from the dog let's say
0:12:14 any living creature any living creature
0:12:16 is one category anything that's
0:12:18 inanimate is another carry there for you
0:12:19 and the dog on the same category so so I
0:12:22 just am avoid you would still say that
0:12:24 that person is not a dog you can
0:12:27 distinguish because that's what I can
0:12:28 write because we label the dog in a
0:12:29 certain way I think because of the
0:12:31 properties of the human they say
0:12:32 rationality moral awareness the case
0:12:34 that dog does not have because the dog
0:12:36 does not have rationally I don't know we
0:12:38 will then say that there is a bigger
0:12:39 than ethic yeah it's just so much yeah I
0:12:41 answer so I can you see you out in
0:12:43 become like a here then when we go to
0:12:45 relational subordination here you can
0:12:47 then look to a family and say that a
0:12:49 father who will have the same properties
0:12:51 as another as their son or is a
0:12:53 population ality to make them a human
0:12:56 rocket to the real human being
0:12:58 okay yes but there is a relational
0:13:00 hierarchy in the family can unpack at
0:13:02 the father okay it's relationally some
0:13:05 superior to the Sun in or thing maybe
0:13:07 because they're the ones who pulled them
0:13:09 into being they're the source of every
0:13:10 so age the father bring Jesus into being
0:13:12 no I'm not talking about Trinity I'm
0:13:14 giving me I'm giving the example to Pam
0:13:15 oh yeah so you understand my time yes so
0:13:18 I'm saying that you can have relational
0:13:20 subordination a loop and you can have
0:13:22 ontological subordination in the Trinity
0:13:25 there is no ontological subordination
0:13:27 but there is one of a relational support
0:13:29 name okay so what are they so what that
0:13:30 relational sublimation is or entails is
0:13:33 that those in terms of functionality in
0:13:35 terms of functions and processes that
0:13:37 the father's is the highest Sofia yes
0:13:40 okay so then then then then it does make
0:13:43 sense for us to say the will is
0:13:44 independent what will its independent
0:13:47 while this was independent and it
0:13:49 trickles down why is it so you just said
0:13:51 they hit higher than do it yes so that
0:13:52 doesn't then presuppose that hackney it
0:13:55 will have the independent and not
0:13:56 incident no but his will is highest not
0:13:58 it depends how the Frog okay I'm a CEO
0:13:59 second is the Father's will them up so
0:14:01 is the father's will no illness well
0:14:06 let's just say is a more or less able to
0:14:10 be put into effect then the father the
0:14:13 Holy Spirit and the sons will she leave
0:14:15 us all I mean by that is that producing
0:14:17 is a hierarchical relationship relation
0:14:19 yeah Malaysia and you put the father at
0:14:21 the top of the hierarchy functional
0:14:22 functional yeah I'm not gonna buy it
0:14:24 biotin yes yes so from that perspective
0:14:26 that would suggest that we'll try put
0:14:29 hypothesizing here and saying in the
0:14:31 hypothesis under in the situation
0:14:33 whereby the world are different and
0:14:37 you're saying it's not possible what I'm
0:14:38 saying just for hypothesize wetherall's
0:14:40 are different the father's will would
0:14:41 would basically suppress yellow to us so
0:14:45 I'm saying they they all have three
0:14:47 wheels themselves but they are
0:14:49 interdependent there are three well it's
0:14:51 not one will that share they all have
0:14:53 free will
0:14:54 our interdependence now the father's one
0:14:57 unit up I'll give another example the
0:15:00 father we left yesterday audiences ideas
0:15:04 - well you said here they're
0:15:05 functionally the father's will is higher
0:15:07 than the other two that's what you said
0:15:09 no I said he I said you actually
0:15:12 relation I think I'm in the will of liar
0:15:15 okay so I guess okay this is coffee
0:15:19 after it's finished
0:15:19 why then we agree that's it so it's a
0:15:24 great way that suggestion the arc I
0:15:26 think I thought let me tell you the
0:15:27 implication on the application no no yes
0:15:29 no no no this is very it's not the
0:15:31 implication everything I was in this
0:15:33 plane is Pamela sorry I came in for my
0:15:35 argument I just want to put forward a
0:15:37 that this is not my argument as I own
0:15:39 the plan in chapter 23 verse night one
0:15:41 of the prime this is what expansion yeah
0:15:44 and look at the statute of that verse
0:15:46 it's a beautiful Lotus logically like
0:15:48 you like if you're saying that the will
0:15:51 of the Father
0:15:52 is higher than the other two will and he
0:15:54 functionally subordinates the other two
0:15:56 entities that suggest there is only one
0:15:59 true God why sure why because actually
0:16:01 the other two entities are not in fact
0:16:03 good they are subordinate to the other
0:16:05 entity so that's not true that's one God
0:16:08 there isn't - you have a problem then
0:16:09 the other two dollars and everything is
0:16:11 agent they're popping a point how it's
0:16:13 Lagos and groceries what makes some what
0:16:16 makes individual substance for its
0:16:18 possessing the divine property and as
0:16:20 there is no ontological subordination
0:16:21 ISM the father come notice there always
0:16:23 share the divine problem is okay nagging
0:16:25 layer the supposition
0:16:27 yes is also a portico so the father's
0:16:30 some of the Holy Spirit are not I'm
0:16:31 supposedly superbly okay can I'll go
0:16:34 second you know that means that the
0:16:36 father son no experience will have the
0:16:38 divine providence that makes them go
0:16:40 massive even if their relationship
0:16:41 doesn't like softly Josh awfully let me
0:16:44 also crush their cousin I'm learning
0:16:45 from you yes well let me complete look
0:16:47 because I'm trying to hopefully I'll
0:16:49 clear my doubt this is the most real
0:16:52 question right yes would you agree with
0:16:54 me that the fact that God is the
0:16:57 ultimate creator of the world and he's
0:16:59 also uh sustain and maintain of the
0:17:01 world our parties to divine attributes
0:17:03 and properties quit yet yes but it's a
0:17:05 non-essential
0:17:06 no no non essential I'm gonna know them
0:17:09 so your God doesn't need central al
0:17:12 rifai let me say it suburbia dig the
0:17:14 question of God create the universe
0:17:17 yes the fact I've got to God is the
0:17:20 ultimate creator of all that exists and
0:17:22 that God is the ultimate maintainable I
0:17:24 exist and I've got it's the ultimate
0:17:26 sustainer of all existence are these
0:17:28 divine attributes or not we are but and
0:17:30 non-essential so we must go so you need
0:17:33 to enjoy to have the minerals real good
0:17:34 yes okay then this is a problem arises
0:17:37 that's exactly the problem watchful yes
0:17:39 yes you contradict with your Testament
0:17:43 by the way okay I have to show you
0:17:44 sorry say no no no you project about
0:17:46 cakes let's just say let's forget by the
0:17:48 Old Testament yep now logically what
0:17:51 you've had to do and this is so amazing
0:17:53 well right it shows you a lie Lavinia
0:17:55 they show you the superiority of a sound
0:17:58 well I you should be able to prototype
0:18:00 you got a point
0:18:01 you know I'm telling you those anyway
0:18:03 Andrew Josh the imitator point just
0:18:09 listen to the play you have had to
0:18:12 resort you have had to resort to
0:18:16 redefining right means to be God in
0:18:20 order in order to get away from the fact
0:18:23 that there's one ultimate god that's
0:18:25 important that's all the other entities
0:18:26 have a limit in which explained why
0:18:29 meant by non-essential yes perfect so
0:18:31 there are certain attributes that make
0:18:33 God God
0:18:34 slacker like watches omnipotence
0:18:35 omniscience and perfect couldn't okay
0:18:37 hold on a second let me finish being the
0:18:39 creator Queen the creator sustainer of
0:18:41 the world is a non attention attribute
0:18:43 is there any case to by that I finished
0:18:45 my opinion you can technically huge
0:18:47 shipping logic I'm trying to show you
0:18:48 logic oh you do this vertically here
0:18:50 alright yes unless you are going to take
0:18:54 the creation itself has always existed
0:18:56 then that means that it must be a
0:18:58 non-essential action on a saucer tell me
0:19:01 wisely number two I decide to white you
0:19:03 agree with me that God has the ability
0:19:07 so for example forgive yes you'll agree
0:19:13 with me that God has the ability to get
0:19:15 sin yeah yeah yep to punish okay you to
0:19:19 love yes okay all right now were there
0:19:23 always people or entities that got to
0:19:26 punish well there always yes and NCS war
0:19:30 for all eternity
0:19:31 yeah all right so there was there was
0:19:34 not there was a time when it wasn't
0:19:36 something an object I've got to
0:19:39 basically punish her yes for the NCI
0:19:41 billing it he had the ability to punish
0:19:44 from day one so the fact that it's on
0:19:47 say no no I'm not saying it that how it
0:19:48 goes I'm just saying that there's a
0:19:51 there's a confusion here just because
0:19:53 further has the ability to do something
0:19:54 it doesn't mean the effect of that
0:19:56 ability has to be present now electrical
0:19:59 wire meant is a non-essential actually
0:20:01 because what the attribute you talk
0:20:02 about is omnipotence that's the ability
0:20:05 to perform an action so you'll see a
0:20:06 little more uninhibited is an essential
0:20:08 having that create and sustain of the
0:20:11 world was a knowledge center that really
0:20:12 yes really then you will have to say one
0:20:15 second being which is a present tense
0:20:17 thing being but create or sustain the
0:20:20 wire please living ability having we
0:20:21 looked in that significant part of my
0:20:24 heart
0:20:25 okay no problem woman oh no problem no
0:20:29 problem
0:20:29 but be here but being the creator
0:20:32 sustainer of the universe
0:20:33 yes is not on this okay wait open that
0:20:35 list let's come back there by the way
0:20:37 there's no text about yourself in the
0:20:38 Bible what's up my love you an
0:20:40 assignment it wasn't until another time
0:20:41 eight omnipotent damn yeah this is still
0:20:44 this is still part of the problem what
0:20:46 life omnipotent omnipotence here when
0:20:50 you have the ability and strength to
0:20:52 control everything operation yes
0:20:54 now according to your taxonomy according
0:20:57 to your classification according to your
0:20:59 categorization according to your word
0:21:01 you have said today that the basically
0:21:06 the father functionally
0:21:08 and there's a hierarchy it is a
0:21:09 functional hierarchy where the father's
0:21:11 disorder functional high road he said
0:21:13 that yeah okay that would suggest that
0:21:15 the other two entities are not equal
0:21:18 functionally to the Father
0:21:20 okay now in terms of omnipotence the
0:21:24 ability to do things this would rip and
0:21:27 still apply there so God's will God's
0:21:30 omnipotence or the fathers of the
0:21:32 paternity is higher the relative I could
0:21:35 you then conveyed reasons again by Chris
0:21:37 you're talking event ontological stages
0:21:39 which is their properties at the
0:21:41 gunrunner and the function function
0:21:42 those are functionally their relation to
0:21:45 each other
0:21:45 I'm a passionate know so don't explain
0:21:48 again why me
0:21:49 yes sir relationally they are different
0:21:52 ontologically they share the same
0:21:54 property the son sorry the father son
0:21:57 and spirit really on the problem
0:21:58 surprise they all say medicine no
0:22:01 because you're not understanding your
0:22:02 completeness you reach over I searched
0:22:03 what is this can you please be honest
0:22:05 with me otherwise you know I think I'm
0:22:07 pleased I like a good I know have you
0:22:09 studied philosophy really then your
0:22:10 London elevator
0:22:11 he's not even if I'm sure please be
0:22:13 honest with yourself as well and I'm
0:22:15 sorry to tell like that because I
0:22:16 believe that we're trying to square a
0:22:18 circle a Unitarian protocol if you
0:22:21 semaphore a Unitarian understanding of
0:22:24 God is in close here with Taha which is
0:22:28 fine and I mean being clear let me tell
0:22:30 you why because it's a powerful harpy's
0:22:31 one got just one gone but I think so
0:22:39 you'll understand one day
0:22:42 I'm the same so to answer our we said
0:22:45 are we doing it for the commoners
0:22:47 Mariana we cannot become traffic on
0:22:50 business so why I said it's in so here
0:22:52 for there to be one to one person is
0:22:54 because that one divine person would not
0:22:55 be perfectly good and perfect goodness
0:22:58 is an essential attributes of divinity
0:23:00 so it serves a Unitarian types of a
0:23:06 Unitarian process or unitary divine
0:23:08 partner yes okay we're not having
0:23:10 attributed couldn't you can only have
0:23:12 the attribute of or mystical omission
0:23:14 who will never have a confident okay -
0:23:17 I'll a okay okay unless there is enough
0:23:20 time to other the bundles that one thing
0:23:23 that perfume is interesting so it's a
0:23:28 buddy season no no no I'm not it I know
0:23:31 it's a have taken a Unitarian is
0:23:33 something polishing yes yes yes doesn't
0:23:35 mater Joshua Joshua can ask you what
0:23:37 Craig summarize what you're very correct
0:23:38 me okay is going to say where I'm
0:23:42 driving that's not like Andrew Andrew no
0:23:44 because you can't talk over them also so
0:23:47 just so doesn't confuse the situation
0:23:48 yes is what you're saying is I notice
0:23:51 about to be good
0:23:51 they need to be an object to which is
0:23:53 good too yes so we have a relation so
0:23:56 okay to say that's what your coachman is
0:23:58 yeah
0:23:58 so because God is good I understand
0:24:01 where he's coming from I understand one
0:24:02 thing he's saying and thought it's not
0:24:04 okay
0:24:05 sir tomorrow yes are exactly because the
0:24:07 exactly all right you know so we are
0:24:11 saying it in order for God to show
0:24:15 yes sir you're saying autofocus this is
0:24:19 the William Lane Craig argument no it's
0:24:21 actually comes yeah oh no no before it
0:24:23 starts which is tech vicked in the
0:24:24 levites California which is swim ban is
0:24:26 what actually the same again
0:24:28 all right not so much really think
0:24:29 that's do it be fired keep it on okay
0:24:31 okay good I know what you're saying
0:24:34 because this is important again logic
0:24:36 using logic now in order this person is
0:24:39 saying God is all good for those ages
0:24:41 not like you said there is love well so
0:24:43 perfectly clear perfectly good suffered
0:24:45 you laughing at
0:24:46 if that is the case he needs an object
0:24:48 to be good and loving to you have equal
0:24:49 safety tips okay so that's your little
0:24:51 contention let's say going back because
0:24:54 you admitted and you agreed with me
0:24:56 before that God has always had the
0:24:58 ability to punish people or mystical yes
0:25:00 yeah punished yeah he's being punishment
0:25:02 now is that's inclusive leader
0:25:04 omnipotent so was there any object that
0:25:07 he could punish you said no so there
0:25:09 you've contradicted yourself no you have
0:25:11 you definitely collage with yourself
0:25:13 like you have a hundred percent public
0:25:14 as you saw and if you say no I'm going
0:25:16 to start losing respect in I'll tell you
0:25:18 why okay so you know what because hey
0:25:22 show me show me why I wanted it yes of
0:25:24 course and then I'll show you an example
0:25:25 in are you've definitely contradicting
0:25:27 tell me why in the beginning you said
0:25:29 you have objects yeah you need you
0:25:32 agreed with the permits in order for you
0:25:33 to manifest for in order for you to have
0:25:35 the right of being labeled for example
0:25:39 is all rubbing or omnipotent you have to
0:25:42 have objects to which you are relevant
0:25:44 to of forget I equally about the motor
0:25:47 Allah but just just for the sake of
0:25:50 argument you have to have objects to
0:25:52 which your loving towards them you've
0:25:55 agreed with me that God has always had
0:25:56 the ability to punish I included before
0:25:59 ne creation existed
0:26:01 in order for you to maintain that
0:26:03 position you'd have to drop the fact
0:26:05 that they had to be an object there
0:26:06 because here they didn't have an object
0:26:09 to be did not have an object to punish
0:26:12 yeah you always had your ballot ability
0:26:14 to punish
0:26:15 so now either you're saying that God did
0:26:18 not have the ability to punish and they
0:26:21 only develop the ability later on or
0:26:23 you're saying that didn't need an object
0:26:25 to punish in order from Sam's ability
0:26:27 but that is how it is like it somehow is
0:26:29 what's making it before you conclude
0:26:30 yeah I give you two the two definitions
0:26:33 here family bitten all power power
0:26:36 unavailable a Muslim often are mainly
0:26:40 power does not have to be exercised for
0:26:43 being possessed goodness done
0:26:46 that's our now I one second I'll give
0:26:48 you an exam here okay I can be powerful
0:26:50 without ever exercising my power that's
0:26:52 false member logically it doesn't add
0:26:54 that has no medical that has been
0:26:56 terrific it wasn't erotic yes I can
0:26:59 possess a level of power without ever
0:27:01 utilizing my power
0:27:02 yes or hold on of course again yeah if
0:27:04 you're an area groom yes there are but
0:27:06 goodness is not the same right goodness
0:27:09 has the exercise I don't know don't
0:27:11 notice them how do you tell that person
0:27:12 is good there no no Metallica say that
0:27:14 person what no I'm taking on earth I'm
0:27:16 saying the New Orleans I want to take
0:27:18 you later
0:27:19 I think think you have a level four
0:27:21 quote I can tell why is that mean
0:27:23 and it's done now you fumble I can't say
0:27:27 he's good thing only unless an action
0:27:30 has been support that's alters why
0:27:32 that's also an amazing something they're
0:27:34 just like I just on I explained melanoma
0:27:37 Vitaly you make you've made something
0:27:38 you made a point let me make a racket
0:27:40 the point you've made is that this is
0:27:43 the work which is false dichotomy I've
0:27:45 seen in my life probably so long as I
0:27:47 think we're the Kings ahead of Maddux
0:27:48 was it well you're very good wasn't you
0:27:50 very good been the show man don't do
0:27:52 that I'm not analyze my arms oh just
0:27:54 what I really want you to cook analyze
0:27:55 then some are similar let me know you
0:27:58 all be sure I know it's slightly stop
0:27:59 okay
0:28:00 yes just okay fine okay if you feel like
0:28:04 I'm a bigger show man no but I'm sorry
0:28:08 and then you receive me a lemon lemon
0:28:11 lemon you put Mother Teresa in a room by
0:28:13 herself
0:28:14 yeah she's not good mouth ah how do you
0:28:18 know she liked his mother Teresa because
0:28:19 she took away her backside all of us no
0:28:22 no five now you can oh geez don't what I
0:28:25 just don't think that you can stop so
0:28:27 I'll let you finish something finish
0:28:28 something
0:28:28 okay then I'll say this is a ridiculous
0:28:31 argument say what you're saying that if
0:28:34 someone doesn't show what they have they
0:28:36 don't possess it that's what you're
0:28:37 saying so for example mother Teresa we
0:28:39 say Mother Teresa's good with proof
0:28:40 suppose English is good that she wasn't
0:28:42 a serial killer and her you know or
0:28:44 something either let's say mother Teresa
0:28:45 for hand a room by herself
0:28:46 yeah is she good you're saying we don't
0:28:49 know this is the most excuse me this is
0:28:52 the most advanced there's no ignorant of
0:28:54 logical fallacies now if you don't know
0:28:56 it's not a Google ignorance no it is we
0:28:58 stop so let me just finish my Gruen your
0:29:01 thing if you don't run something it
0:29:02 doesn't exist
0:29:03 no how exactly was a slam it what second
0:29:06 sock it means that you have an action
0:29:07 under my arms no defecate that's number
0:29:08 one that's what he said number one I
0:29:10 just wanted to make the point that this
0:29:12 man I've spoken to before right many
0:29:15 times before and to be honest with you
0:29:17 I've always seen him as more intelligent
0:29:19 than me I've also seen white I think the
0:29:22 truth he especially in matters of
0:29:24 Christianity he's a PhD almost a PhD
0:29:26 holder
0:29:27 he's very as you can see guys very
0:29:29 logically rounded trying his best I
0:29:32 promise you I apologies today what we
0:29:35 found is not that I'm a bad debate in
0:29:38 you that's no one we found yeah oh now
0:29:41 I'm more intelligent than you because
0:29:42 that's what something where sometimes
0:29:44 like accused often it you get people
0:29:46 that have low knowledge that have no
0:29:48 understanding and you're you're putting
0:29:50 them into the corner and you're asking
0:29:51 in what is different questions there
0:29:52 using all different jargon and they
0:29:54 don't know what you're talking about
0:29:55 here we've got someone who literally is
0:29:57 on the brink of being a Christian
0:29:59 scholar
0:29:59 okay and where I've been able to
0:30:02 hopefully show is that the concept of
0:30:05 the Trinity
0:30:06 biological perspective cannot be
0:30:08 justified its incoherent now I wanted to
0:30:11 end with this is because really I
0:30:12 respect you as a man and
0:30:14 conduct yourself is fantastic
0:30:16 competitive especially the date with
0:30:18 campus
0:30:19 you really are shining far yes listen
0:30:22 I'm saying if look from one welcome to a
0:30:24 Christian you're a shining star in terms
0:30:27 of Christian people promoting their
0:30:28 religion today I'm going to just cut to
0:30:31 the chase
0:30:31 okay listen you're a humble man goose
0:30:36 and simmer
0:30:37 I invite you directly now to the
0:30:40 religion of Islam I'm just doing it like
0:30:43 this right I'm just saying I'm going to
0:30:47 I want to be in communication with you I
0:30:48 want to talk to you I want to and then
0:30:51 just kind of like take you through what
0:30:53 we believe in our perspective for just a
0:30:55 few weeks I'm not saying convert now
0:30:56 since try a lot more things I'm saying
0:30:58 please I know you've looked into
0:31:00 Christianity in depth how we do
0:31:03 ourselves on humanity a service yeah we
0:31:06 exchanged numbers obviously we don't
0:31:07 want to give numbers and puzzle
0:31:09 private-public great intelligent if you
0:31:12 bring it now if you were me and i was
0:31:14 you i'd i wouldn't do as good as you're
0:31:16 doing actually to be honest I was not I
0:31:18 don't even know how you did it you made
0:31:21 it seem like you there was a nice but
0:31:22 I'm saying is if you are me now with my
0:31:25 arguments or what my religion I
0:31:27 personally believe that you will be one
0:31:30 of the most potent forces in theological
0:31:33 it is a place I must say finally
0:31:41 contract the see our place later three
0:31:44 all about your company policies will
0:31:47 change numbers how do you I'm you say
0:31:48 for educational process you can teach
0:31:50 the right for standing as well because I
0:31:51 learn a lot from you that sound alright
0:31:53 we can only speak air here we can't be
0:31:55 I'm a cop take one second one second is
0:31:58 the only reason reason one Christian
0:32:01 okay is because we can look at the
0:32:03 historical aspect here because the
0:32:05 resurrection for me grounds the failure
0:32:06 yeah so if you're able not now we don't
0:32:08 like over time I'm asleep
0:32:10 yes to show me why the resurrection okay
0:32:13 and not be accounted for historic yeah
0:32:15 then I can say a carnies question then
0:32:18 for me also philosophically I have
0:32:20 issues with the concept of God in the
0:32:22 slam pie but in Christianity in the
0:32:24 understand which are I literally so if
0:32:26 this thing's actually if these things
0:32:27 were solved if you'd reconsider your
0:32:29 position I was it
0:32:30 I'm always something I think it's so
0:32:31 important yet and whenever you are to
0:32:33 seek truth I like it I like it I like I
0:32:35 see it's a lesson but for me I'm
0:32:38 grounded on specific evidence that I
0:32:41 have I think you've got some respect
0:32:42 here with the Muslim okay and here's a
0:32:44 brilliant person sighs honestly I think
0:32:46 it's getting a lot respected with the
0:32:47 Muslim will definitely be in touch yes a
0:32:50 lot of course together what would you do
0:32:51 the same the thing is I'll be honest
0:32:54 with you yeah I'll be I want to be
0:32:55 totally honest with you the Trinity for
0:32:59 me okay I'm not talking about at the
0:33:01 philosophical level that we're talking
0:33:03 about it yes but at the base level it's
0:33:06 just something I can never accept why
0:33:09 it's just because of its apparent
0:33:11 contradiction now I personally believe
0:33:14 I'm already a Christian in the sense
0:33:16 that you know what's the sound like
0:33:17 what's his name zakir naik and we're
0:33:19 Christian in the Christian - and sighs
0:33:21 we love the Messiah we love Jesus Christ
0:33:24 until I mean we want to follow him
0:33:26 if you can help me follow Jesus better
0:33:29 I'm going to I'll do it
0:33:31 I thought I want to do so let's help
0:33:32 each other we can treat any I'll take
0:33:34 your number you take my number off
0:33:35 camera of course let's do this up oh you
0:33:39 know I I if I can show you why this
0:33:42 finishes what most reason I'd love you
0:33:44 I'd love you to me if I can show you why
0:33:46 project inconsistent yes then you know
0:33:49 what I'll jump up and down I'll throw
0:33:51 money around
0:33:52 oh yes there we are we have this
0:33:54 challenge three children okay why this
0:33:56 channel feel free to like you very local
0:33:57 make sure to get my number all right all
0:33:59 right make sure - yeah