Clever Feminist Challenges Muslim Speaker @ Warwick University|| Br. Mohammed Hijab (2016-12-02) ​

0:00:00 even for the leaders fee so he also
0:00:04 dirty either would you be
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0:00:19 you first have to prove it
0:00:21 true objectively or through some kind of
0:00:24 evidence base and then the rulings of
0:00:27 Islam it would have some way otherwise
0:00:29 it doesn't and that is actually the case
0:00:31 with all of the religions any religion
0:00:33 that claims to have divine authority it
0:00:35 has to prove itself first so then the
0:00:38 injunctions make sense after it but that
0:00:41 is for us it's more common sensical so
0:00:44 for example I here as a Muslim the fact
0:00:48 that I am standing here as a Muslim and
0:00:50 my holy book says certain things I can
0:00:53 tell you that I believe that these moral
0:00:55 things are objectively right or wrong I
0:00:58 cannot you cannot say the same thing if
0:01:00 you're an atheist it's impossible and I
0:01:02 dare any atheist genuine you can't if
0:01:05 you're an atheist you cannot stand here
0:01:06 and I challenged actually and this is
0:01:08 not to be polemical but I want because
0:01:11 this is a this is a kind of like Russia
0:01:13 we're trying to rationalize things yeah
0:01:15 I challenge any atheist all right or
0:01:18 someone who comes from a non-theistic
0:01:20 perspective to come here to stand here
0:01:22 and I'll give you the mic or you can
0:01:24 speak to the people and tell me how you
0:01:26 can objectively prove anything that you
0:01:29 don't like about Islam from more
0:01:30 perspective is wrong in the first place
0:01:33 that would be my challenge that includes
0:01:35 polygamy that includes anything that
0:01:38 includes the inheritance laws that
0:01:40 includes anything you don't like about
0:01:43 Islam the hedge AB even though my
0:01:45 surname is hedge up you know I know you
0:01:48 might not like me as or if that includes
0:01:50 absolute anything you can't it's
0:01:51 impossible so therefore all you're doing
0:01:53 is actually I put I personally believe
0:01:55 you're superimposing a narrative which
0:01:57 is actually a post-colonial narrative
0:01:59 which relies upon the Western experience
0:02:01 the enlightenment-era the Renaissance
0:02:03 etc and you're superimposing that you're
0:02:05 saying everyone should believe in what
0:02:06 we believe in why because we've had the
0:02:08 enlightened experience that's that's
0:02:10 basically your position so from that
0:02:12 angle you you actually are kind of
0:02:14 similar to the colonial predecessor
0:02:16 you're quite similar to the british
0:02:18 colonial predecessor who come into
0:02:20 people's lands and just superimpose
0:02:22 their belief system without actually
0:02:24 explaining to them reasoning with them
0:02:27 convincing them that their belief system
0:02:29 is the ultimate truth in the first
0:02:30 instance so the truth is this I'm not
0:02:34 here to apologize
0:02:35 about Islam I'm here to challenge the
0:02:37 people that are challenging Islam that's
0:02:40 what I'm here to do because I don't
0:02:41 think that I should be on the backfoot
0:02:43 I believe that every atheist should be
0:02:45 on the backfoot I'm sorry to say this
0:02:46 very crudely but if any atheist yeah
0:02:49 feels like there's a problem with Islam
0:02:51 because I've read so many of these
0:02:52 questions it's an issue of Islam as a
0:02:55 resolve its morals that I challenge the
0:02:57 atheist to come here first and foremost
0:02:59 and tell me how you can prove that your
0:03:02 moral is objectively true otherwise your
0:03:04 deduction does not work otherwise you
0:03:08 cannot prove this prove it slammer tool
0:03:10 otherwise you're shooting yourself in
0:03:11 the foot
0:03:12 go ahead mother yes the onus is on us
0:03:17 what everyone's got the onus is on us
0:03:20 for as Muslims this is the thing this is
0:03:22 very good point so I'm sort of taking it
0:03:24 the onus is on us what we have you have
0:03:27 to understand everyone's got different
0:03:28 truth standards as you correctly said
0:03:30 yeah nowadays you have something called
0:03:32 a Flat Earth Society
0:03:33 they don't they don't buy the evidence
0:03:36 that the earth is round so they have a
0:03:38 difference true standard to us when it
0:03:40 comes to cosmological realities as
0:03:43 Muslims we present an evidence base a
0:03:46 case yeah and if people accept the case
0:03:49 then they can accept the case if they do
0:03:52 if they reject the case they can reject
0:03:54 the case but this is where the
0:03:56 contradiction would lie if you as a
0:03:59 let's say a communist a feminist a
0:04:02 Marxist or any other ists yeah who isn't
0:04:05 really a religion religious background
0:04:07 comes forward and says now you ought to
0:04:10 believe in this yeah now that's why I
0:04:13 feel like you've got a problem you've
0:04:15 got a philosophical problem on your hand
0:04:17 because you haven't even attempted to
0:04:18 prove to me that's correct
0:04:20 you've just said this popular opinion
0:04:21 for example that you know men and women
0:04:23 should be treated equally all right I
0:04:25 don't disagree with this point yeah
0:04:26 let's say I don't receive you at this
0:04:27 point
0:04:27 generally speaking Muslims don't
0:04:29 disagree with this point generally
0:04:30 speaking yeah yeah men women men and
0:04:33 women should be treated equally is more
0:04:35 true than its force yeah but you haven't
0:04:38 been able to prove that to me
0:04:41 objectively just as you would be able to
0:04:43 do if you did Matt so therefore you're
0:04:46 you're asking why is it that women do
0:04:48 this and men do
0:04:49 in this Muslim country is is what
0:04:51 question is this you have to first prove
0:04:53 your premise you have to prove your
0:04:55 presupposition
0:05:03 hadith narrated by Allah he said a new
0:05:06 set of Chicago region ahadith which
0:05:09 means that women are equal to men
0:05:10 actually if you look at even Salafi so
0:05:13 Salafi they say if I was looking at a
0:05:16 fatwa from ibanez
0:05:17 he said even versus one of the
0:05:19 literalistic he doesn't take any you
0:05:21 know and it's in Saudi Arabia well you
0:05:24 know he was one of the people that said
0:05:25 that you know I'm driving cars for woman
0:05:30 is not allowed he passed the fat
0:05:31 anyways he said this means Miceli yet he
0:05:34 had to say this means Masseria which
0:05:36 means in Arabic they're equal that's a
0:05:38 meaning yeah now he said ok and him and
0:05:41 others and everyone does looked at this
0:05:42 hide it I said ok how could that be the
0:05:43 case because there's something called
0:05:45 advocate is this net which means there
0:05:47 are exceptions yeah so men and women
0:05:49 that's why I said in the beginning guys
0:05:50 I said in the beginning that I generally
0:05:53 agree with the premise of feminists wait
0:05:56 a minute what did I just say I'll tell
0:05:57 you I said yeah I said I generally agree
0:06:00 with the feministic premise because it
0:06:02 goes in line with the hadith of the
0:06:04 Prophet Muhammad Rasul Allah and he said
0:06:06 of Chicago origin men or women are equal
0:06:07 yeah now having said that I want to
0:06:11 understand it as strong as hers are you
0:06:13 having said this now there are
0:06:16 exceptions Muslims and feminists let's
0:06:18 say they agree on the same premise yeah
0:06:20 Muslims agree that women men are equal
0:06:22 in innocence and feminists agree that
0:06:25 men and women are equal and by premise
0:06:26 yeah now this is the premise the
0:06:30 prescriptions that feminists have and
0:06:33 the prescriptions that Muslims have or
0:06:35 that Islam has our different gender Stan
0:06:39 so both feminism as a Scholastic
0:06:44 tradition of many hundreds of years and
0:06:47 Islam has exceptions to this rule and
0:06:51 I'm saying this very clearly you're a
0:06:54 feminist I'm get gathering and possibly
0:06:56 maybe liberal feminists because you're
0:06:58 not attacking me something but
0:07:02 hey but you know it generally a radical
0:07:07 feminist some of them are very violent
0:07:08 towards other people just like radical
0:07:09 Muslims are having said that there are
0:07:12 radicals everywhere you don't want to
0:07:14 accept you don't have to the point is
0:07:17 because your liberal feminist I'll say
0:07:19 to you do you agree that there should be
0:07:21 equality absolute equality at all times
0:07:23 in places or do you respond to that
0:07:26 between men and women okay so would you
0:07:32 say they should be equal in all times
0:07:33 and places in all times and places okay
0:07:38 I want to just hold her to that I'm
0:07:40 sorry
0:07:40 I'm not doing this to get you you know I
0:07:42 really you're a very pleasant person and
0:07:44 I'm not okay I'm not I wish I could be
0:07:47 more like you yes seriously I'm not
0:07:48 saying that the point is if you believe
0:07:52 in that you know in America to have
0:07:54 something called affirmative action
0:07:55 programs yeah for black people because
0:07:57 they've been marginalized for many
0:08:00 hundreds of years so what they do is
0:08:02 they put they have like what is not
0:08:04 quotas but it's kind of like helps black
0:08:06 people get into employment
0:08:07 now what feminists are arguing for is
0:08:09 quota systems for women to get into
0:08:12 places of employment especially
0:08:13 Parliament yeah and that's what they do
0:08:15 for political PI's they have a kind of
0:08:17 quota system where they have more women
0:08:19 allotted spaces then they'll have men
0:08:21 yeah because they say because there's
0:08:22 been such a disparity between men and
0:08:24 women for many hundreds of years or many
0:08:25 thousands of years a patriarchal society
0:08:27 is so strong I agree with that by the
0:08:28 way the patriarchal society is
0:08:30 incredibly strong everywhere because of
0:08:33 these reasons we have to put quotas in
0:08:35 place now but I do agree with this so
0:08:38 far I haven't said anything out of line
0:08:39 no this is pretty much what's going on
0:08:41 now in essence the prescription of a
0:08:45 feminist is as follows we ought to a
0:08:47 feminist would say we ought to put women
0:08:51 in places of employment using quotas etc
0:08:54 which is an inequality because it's
0:08:57 discrimination positive discrimination
0:08:59 just like affirmative action is positive
0:09:01 discrimination its inequalities unequal
0:09:04 treatment so that we can create what
0:09:06 equality correct so you use inequality
0:09:10 to create equality but the feminists
0:09:13 would then have to concede by
0:09:14 prescription
0:09:15 at one point at one time that she would
0:09:18 be using unequal treatment between men
0:09:20 and women if that's the case then you
0:09:23 cannot say I believe in equal treatment
0:09:24 at all times and all places yes that's
0:09:29 good
0:09:31 yes but then you sorry yeah but the
0:09:50 point I'm making sorry just to be clear
0:09:52 is that there is something within the
0:09:54 law that feminists agree with or what
0:09:56 it's within the social environment which
0:09:58 is that feminine women in many different
0:10:01 cases ought to have superior rights to
0:10:03 men for example in divorce if a man and
0:10:06 woman are divorced who should have the
0:10:07 children most people will say the woman
0:10:09 even in a slum that's that's a
0:10:10 injunction boy you can correct me unless
0:10:12 someone gets married so the woman gets
0:10:14 custody of the children
0:10:15 according to feminists in according to
0:10:19 obviously suchithra law maternity leave
0:10:22 is compulsory for women if they have a
0:10:24 contract of the company paternity leave
0:10:26 is two weeks and maternity leave is one
0:10:28 year that's obviously unequal treatment
0:10:31 therefore everyone believes in what
0:10:32 exceptions Muslims believe in generally
0:10:36 speaking that many women should be equal
0:10:38 feminists believe generally speaking men
0:10:40 women should be equal both of those
0:10:43 people believe in exceptions
0:10:45 now who defines and who has the right to
0:10:48 define the exceptions from an Islamic
0:10:50 perspective we have a maxim that Allah
0:10:52 knows everything he's all-wise he's
0:10:54 all-knowing he's all hearing God is not
0:10:56 all-knowing he knows what the exception
0:10:57 should be from a feministic perspective
0:11:00 there was an attempt a human attempt to
0:11:03 try and assess the sociological reality
0:11:04 in a certain time in a certain place and
0:11:07 give prescriptions each and every time a
0:11:09 woman or a man who is a feminist gives a
0:11:11 prescription they fundamentally break
0:11:14 their and the initial premise which is
0:11:17 that men and women should be equal at
0:11:19 all times in places unless they can see
0:11:21 that it's not all times and places in
0:11:22 which case we don't have a problem in
0:11:24 the first place do you see what I mean
0:11:25 if you look at the Quran just just in
0:11:28 relation to husband why
0:11:29 relationships there's two verses in
0:11:30 particular that I've looked at with a
0:11:32 magnifying glass
0:11:33 yeah and sort of referred to on the sort
0:11:37 of surface you might look at and think
0:11:39 and this is talking about male supremacy
0:11:42 or domination of the women there's two
0:11:44 versus one in sort of baccarat chapter
0:11:47 number 2 verse 328 it's a part of a
0:11:49 verse which is well I'll name it through
0:11:51 lady alienable model for little
0:11:52 gerontology and then chapter 4 verse 34
0:11:56 a lot average elephant Munna Alan Lee
0:11:58 said okay so men are maintaining
0:12:00 protects of a woman these are the only
0:12:02 two verse you'll find the Quran which
0:12:03 referred to when it comes to man or
0:12:06 woman okay the kind of relationship
0:12:08 there should be and which may indicate
0:12:10 and some scholars have taken to indicate
0:12:12 you understand that men have a leading
0:12:14 role and you know or let's say let's
0:12:17 even say the superior role as a husband
0:12:20 than a wife okay when you look at the
0:12:22 surface here and the classical exegesis
0:12:24 is of these verses if you look at
0:12:27 chapter 2 verse 228 for example I was
0:12:29 amazed my person himself I looked at the
0:12:31 older steps here the oldest Marta meters
0:12:34 here which is by a body at a body who
0:12:37 died in 310 ya hero in the verse well
0:12:42 our own name is Ray Allen him tomorrow
0:12:43 well there's a Jedi handle it which
0:12:45 means that men have one degree of
0:12:46 authority over them so there was a big
0:12:48 discussion he made a big discussion he
0:12:50 said what is this degree some scholars
0:12:52 say that the degree is that the men can
0:12:54 do fighting and stuff and like that
0:12:55 women don't and he said that some people
0:12:58 say distance and he said actually I
0:13:00 personally believe Autobody he said I
0:13:02 believe that this degree is not a degree
0:13:06 of authority it's a degree of pardoning
0:13:08 because allah subhanaw taala says in the
0:13:10 quran we interfere with us about how
0:13:12 we're tougher in the life of a rhyme it
0:13:14 says that if you pardon and this and
0:13:15 that
0:13:16 then Allah is also pardoning and
0:13:18 forgiving so he said in relation to this
0:13:21 verse okay in relation to this verse
0:13:24 actually the relationship that degree
0:13:28 that allah subhanaw taala talks about is
0:13:30 a degree of pardoning that the men
0:13:33 should do more work to try and pardon
0:13:36 their wife because allah has put them in
0:13:38 a certain position to try and forgive
0:13:40 and overlook her shortcomings
0:13:42 that's what agreement according to the
0:13:44 oldest FCF as it relates to audre yellow
0:13:46 color mona lisa' this Kalama and there's
0:13:49 a massive discussion which you're not
0:13:50 going to have time to get into now but
0:13:52 once again is I think a second it's
0:13:54 caricatured this versus caricatured and
0:13:56 people will look at anything okay within
0:13:58 Islam is the woman is denigrated and put
0:14:01 onto the floors no it's not true if you
0:14:02 look at the Quran from beginning to end
0:14:03 these are the only two verses that I
0:14:05 have seen that may allude to male
0:14:10 superiority of a woman in a husband and
0:14:12 wife relationship and both of them if
0:14:14 you look at the oldest most classical
0:14:16 exegesis don't actually mean that at all
0:14:20 okay not talking about no apologetics of
0:14:23 the 21st century because I'm not into
0:14:25 that generally speaking I'm not into
0:14:27 that I'm into looking at the oldest
0:14:28 ownership and if you do so you'll find
0:14:31 that there is actually genuinely quite a
0:14:33 balance between one room and just to add
0:14:36 to what you said sorry one more thing a
0:14:38 lot of hunters in the Quran I think in
0:14:40 first so it's really nice at a later
0:14:42 time I know my father Allah who be he
0:14:44 Bardo Kamala ba literally Jelena sebum
0:14:47 accessible in this area no sebum in
0:14:49 mecca seven was a de la home in fugly
0:14:52 he says Allah so Allah says do not wish
0:14:54 and the verses here are in a ham form in
0:14:57 other words they're generic it was
0:14:58 talking about yet inheritance before
0:14:59 well he could in Morelia min metric
0:15:02 aurelion rock Robbie but this verse is
0:15:04 talking specifically or generally about
0:15:07 the relationship between men and woman
0:15:08 it says do not wish what the other
0:15:10 person has ie
0:15:11 a man shouldn't and it says for a man is
0:15:15 a portion of what he has earned and for
0:15:17 a woman is a portion of what she has
0:15:18 earned and so ask Allah from His grace
0:15:21 in other words as you rightly said a
0:15:23 completely agree view it's not a
0:15:25 competition between men and women Islam
0:15:27 the depiction of the divine code from an
0:15:30 Islamic perspective is that the man and
0:15:32 the woman are in a relationship or less
0:15:35 a husband and wife okay and they because
0:15:37 mother and son we know that the mother
0:15:39 is authoritative
0:15:40 for the most case and other
0:15:43 relationships is quite balanced so this
0:15:44 is the controversial and that's why I'm
0:15:46 addressing it for the most part I
0:15:48 believe I personally believe if you look
0:15:49 at the old classic works of Jesus's that
0:15:52 there's a balance there is a balance and
0:15:53 whoever says that there isn't a balance
0:15:54 is
0:15:55 against not me and not the 21st century
0:15:57 apologist but it's going against the
0:15:59 oldest of Memphis Memphis your own the
0:16:01 people that actually wrote the oldest
0:16:03 tell face here so yeah there is a
0:16:04 balance between relationship the
0:16:05 polygamy issue yeah is by the way as I
0:16:08 said before I don't believe that just to
0:16:11 clear something up I don't believe
0:16:12 Vianney that men can uncapable of an
0:16:15 incapable of exploiting women of course
0:16:17 not I don't believe that and I don't
0:16:18 believe a woman should be trapped in any
0:16:19 kind of relationship that she doesn't
0:16:21 wanna be in yeah and there was something
0:16:22 in Islam called Halle he will tell you
0:16:24 he studied masha'Allah I any more than I
0:16:27 have here this whole hour a woman can
0:16:29 tell I'm in the Raja reach you can get
0:16:31 rid of she can leave the man it's not
0:16:33 just a man that can divorce the woman a
0:16:34 woman can divorce the man as well that's
0:16:36 another misconception of that people may
0:16:38 have so these things I think is
0:16:40 troubling misconception is that
0:16:42 Westerners like your Western is Western
0:16:44 polemics Western orientalists people
0:16:47 that want to impose their way of life on
0:16:49 everybody else like to throw up poor
0:16:52 susceptible naive minds so that they can
0:16:56 and go back to kind of a gram chin
0:16:58 hegemonic framework so that they can
0:17:01 impose their kind of framework on you go
0:17:03 back to the colonial era that's what
0:17:05 they like that's what they want to do
0:17:06 but they're doing it now through
0:17:08 subversive methods before they should do
0:17:10 it with using the sword and the gun and
0:17:12 is to come to their countries and you
0:17:14 know so we're better than you now that
0:17:15 you they're using other tactics and I
0:17:17 think it's time it's high time generally
0:17:18 speaking for Muslims to note their
0:17:20 religion really well yes and to be able
0:17:22 to fight back
0:17:24 using a fine argumentation yeah and
0:17:26 rationalism