'Scientific Errors' in Quran Refuted (2021-04-10) ​

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Timestamps - 00:00 - Introduction 05:40 - #30 Does Adams height of 60 cubits make sense? 16:47 - #29 Richard Dawkins, the Quran and the mixing of the two seas 21:30 - #28 Does the Quran mention sperm and not the eggs? 26:16 - #27 Does arsenal reproduction undermine the Quran? 30:30 - #26 Does the Quran get the embryos bone and flesh formation wrong? 38:30 - #25 Does the Quran get the definition of cattle wrong? 41:02 - #24Does the Quran say sperms comes from between the backbone and the ribs? 48:14 - #23 Does the Quran say the sky is a solid object? 54:22 - #22 Understanding the hadith of dates and poison 01:00:14 - #19 Did the prophet say the Earth sits on the back of a whale? 01:03:20 - #18 Understanding the hadith referring to camel urine as medicine 01:08:47 - #17 Does the Quran refer to geocentric? 01:18 - #16 The Quran, the Bible, roundness of the Earth and the Ostrich egg distortion 01:26:37 - #15 Does the Quran refer to the big bang? 01:40:18 - #14 Does the Quran say the sun sets in a muddy spring? 01:46:31 - #12 Were all the species on Earth put on Noah's Ark? 01:51:34 - #11 Understanding the hadith of the black seed as a cure for all diseases 01:56:28 - #10 Does the hadith of the Sun prostrating support geocentrism? 02:16:52 - #9 Does the Quranic word 'alaqah only mean congealed blood and is it unscientific? 02:24:44 - #6 Does the Quran say the Earth was created before the heaven? 02:34:16 - #5 Explaining the Quranic verse referring to stars pelting devil's. 02:39:28 - #3 Does the Quran say the universe was created in six 24 hour days? 02:44:19 - #2 Does the Quran say the world is flat? 02:51:24 - Conclusion

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Summary of 'Scientific Errors' in Quran Refuted ​

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00:00:00 - 01:00:00 ​

discusses various supposed scientific errors in the Quran and Hadith. It argues that many of these claims are based on misinterpretations or false premises, and that the Quran and Hadith are not necessarily unscientific.

00:00:00 provides a comprehensive overview of scientific errors or supposed scientific errors found in the Quran. deals with the most notable contentions raised against islam, and it explains the need for care and nuance when approaching the topic of science in the Quran.

• 00:05:00 The Islamic stance on the theory of evolution is that humans are unique and superior to other animals, and there is nothing explicit in the Quran to support Darwinian evolution. The hadith in question discusses how Adam was created to be 60 cubits tall and his descendants are becoming smaller and smaller. Some argue this is evidence that the theory of evolution should be abandoned, but it's not how hadith science works.
• 00:10:00 The three contentions made in this video are that the Quran does not support the idea that Adam was 60 cubits in height, that human anatomy couldn't handle that size, and that there is no fossil record of a 27 meter human.
• 00:15:00 Discusses how a verse in the Quran says that there is a barrier between salt water and fresh water. Richard Dawkins argues that this verse disproves the Quran, as you can mix the two waters together and disprove it.
• 00:20:00 Discusses a dispute among scholars concerning whether the Quran mentions sperm. The argument goes that because the word "nutha" (translated as "sperm drop") is not specific enough, the Quran's author was unaware of spermatozoa. While this may be true, other indications in the Quran support the idea that the author was aware of sperm.
• 00:25:00 of the Quran discusses the concept of 'kul' in chapter 51, verse 49, and argues that it does not necessarily mean every single thing. He cites examples from the Qur'an and past scholars to support his point.
• 00:30:00 The contention that the Quran gets it wrong when it says bones form before flesh is refuted by recent research indicating that bones and muscles are formed in situ from the limb bud.
• 00:35:00 The Quran refers to "flesh" in a way which could refer to the process of myogenic cells migrating to the cartilaginous models. This has become a non-issue according to the latest scientific information, which refutes the claim that the Quran supports feminist views.
• 00:40:00 The contention is that verse 7 from chapter 86 of the Quran is unscientific because we know that sperm happens in the testicles and it doesn't happen between the backbones in the ribs for example.
• 00:45:00 The first argument against the claim that the Quran presents the sky as a solid object is that the Arabic word used to describe the sky, zelezero, means "to be moved out of one's place." The second argument is that the two verses cited by the anti-Muslim apologists do not support the idea that the Quran portrays the universe as a solid object.
• 00:50:00 Discusses how some people believe that the Quran says that the heaven is a solid object, which is an undercutter of the idea that the Quran is scientific in nature. It also discusses a hadith which supposedly says that if a person consumes seven dates of ajwa kind, poison will not affect them, and that magic will not affect them. argues that this hadith is unscientific because it does not provide evidence for its claims.
• 00:55:00 This 1-paragraph summary discusses a hadith in which the Prophet Muhammad said that if one makes supplications to God, but does not engage in sinful actions, their supplication will be accepted. This hadith is used to argue that the date is not immunizing because of a specific property, but because of the worshipping done with it.

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discusses a number of different interpretations of verses in the Quran. It argues that choosing one of these interpretations is not justified because the verses are ambiguous. concludes by discussing the big bang example and how the verses can be interpreted.

01:00:00 Discusses a hadith which is claimed to say that one can cure certain diseases by drinking camel urine and milk. The hadith is not general, but specific to a certain time and place, and would not be applicable to the present.

• 01:05:00 Discusses a claim made by detractors of Islam that verses in the Quran indicate that the sun goes around the Earth. points to a hadith in which Prophet Muhammad is said to have prostrated in honor of Abu Dhabi, which supports the idea that the Quran does not endorse geocentrism.
• 01:10:00 The Quran discusses geocentricity and claims that the sun moves around the earth. However, this is not supported by the text. Additionally, the Quran mentions an instance where a disbeliever was unable to understand what a believer was saying.
• 01:15:00 Discusses the false translation of chapter 79 verse number, whichclaims that Allah has "smoothed over the earth" in a way that is similar to an ostritch egg. All of the exegetes from the medieval period refute this claim, and it should be left in the dustbin of history.
• 01:20:00 Discusses a verse from the Quran which some people believe means the earth is a "ostrich egg" or that Allah has "smoothed over" the creators. However, several scholars from different times and religions say this is not the only interpretation of the verse. There is no precedent for someone interpreting this verse to mean the earth is flat. A retraction is necessary because there is no evidence that this interpretation is correct.
• 01:25:00 of the video discusses the various meanings of the Arabic word "al-jumu`ah," which is translated as "the assembly," and how it can be interpreted to mean either that the universe was created in one go or that it evolved over time. then goes on to discuss the concept of "concordism" and how it can be applied to the Qur'an. He argues that while bold concordism, in which the Qur'an teaches science explicitly, is more likely, modest concordism, in which the Qur'an is not explicitly against scientific theories, is more tenable from a hermeneutical and executive perspective. concludes the video by discussing the big bang example and how the verses can be interpreted.
• 01:30:00 a number of different interpretations of a verse in the Quran are discussed and it is argued that choosing one of them is not justified because the verse is ambiguous.
• 01:35:00 Discusses how some verses in the Quran suggest that there was a big bang, and that this might not be something that Muslims should believe in. It points out that there are many verses in the Quran that are ambiguous, and that it is uncertain whether the big bang theory is true. Therefore, Muslims should be cautious about using these verses to support their beliefs.
• 01:40:00 refutes a contention that the Quran presents a cosmology in which the sun sets into a murky water spring. Several scholars have said that the hadith in question is weak, and the author argues that common sense should be used when interpreting the Quran.
• 01:45:00 refutes a contention that the Noah's Ark narrative in the Quran is literalistically true. The Quran uses the word "kul" to mean "every," and this word can mean "many" things. Therefore, the Noah's Ark narrative in the Quran is not literal.
• 01:50:00 responds to a contention that the black seed is a cure for every disease, including cancer and AIDS. Scholars have written books about the impossibility of extrapolating from the verse to mean every disease.
• 01:55:00 Discusses a famous hadith in which the Prophet Muhammad said that the sun goes and prostrates beneath the throne. This hadith is used to support the idea that the Quran is in agreement with scientific knowledge from the 7th century. Some opponents of Islam argue that this hadith proves that the Quran is false, as it contradicts contemporary science.

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discusses how the "scientific errors" in the Quran have been refuted by later scholars. It argues that the Quran is flexible and allows for understanding according to modern scientific theories.

02:00:00 The first issue that people have with the Quran's references to geocentrism is that prostration refers to something that is metaphysical and untappable by the scientific method. The second issue is that the hadith says that the sun is going to an appointed destination in the first place. Neither of these assertions is supported by the primary text.

• 02:05:00 Discusses a hadith which states that the sun goes under the arch of the sky, and compares it to another hadith which states that the sun is insignificant. It argues that this means the sun was always underneath us, and that it is not insignificant to say that someone is going somewhere.
• 02:10:00 This hadith discusses the sun setting at sunset, and is used to support the idea that the Qur'an supports the idea of a rotating, heliocentric Earth. It is ironic that this support for a heliocentric model takes away from the arguments of those who advocate for a flat Earth, as on a flat Earth the sun would always be setting on someone.
• 02:15:00 The two contentions addressed in this YouTube video are that the word "alaka" in the Quran can mean "to be attached to or connected to something" and that the Quran supports the idea that the human being is made up of clots of blood. The first contention is false, and the second contention is not supported by the Quran.
• 02:20:00 Discusses scientific errors in the Quran, which are refuted by the hadith and sunnah. The word alakar is not a word that refers to blood in its chemical composition, and is used to refer to something that has an aesthetic appearance similar to blood.
• 02:25:00 Discusses how two verses from the Quran support the idea that the earth was created before the heaven. Different commentators, medieval and modern, have different interpretations of these verses. Al Qaeda takes the view that there was no chronological order indicated in the verses, and so the heaven must have already been present.
• 02:30:00 addresses the issue of scientific errors in the Quran, which he refers to as an "unscientific" approach. He notes that there are two possible interpretations of verses describing the creation of the heavens and the earth: one which is unscientific, and one which correlates with 21st century science. He argues that it is not a matter of disbelief to believe in either of these interpretations, but a matter of belief in Allah's creative power.
• 02:35:00 "'Scientific Errors' in Quran Refuted" discusses how the authorship of the Quran is unscientific, with an emphasis on how the Quran uses terms which don't necessarily mean what the authors think they mean. also discusses a Hadith which states that the devil is being pelted by stars.
• 02:40:00 Muslims refute scientific errors found in the Quran, specifically regarding the universe and how long it has been around. The Quran contains multiple references to the earth being round, and there is no conflict between believing in these references and modern scientific understanding of the universe.
• 02:45:00 Discusses scientific errors in the Quran, which proponents of the flat earth theory use to support their argument. These errors have been disproven by later scholars, who believe that the Quran indicates the earth is round.
• 02:50:00 The "scientific errors" in the Quran were refuted by demonstrating that the Quran has flexibility and facilitates understanding according to modern scientific theories.
• 02:55:00 The presenter refutes scientific errors in the Quran, which he says allows people to become fully actualized spiritually and rationally. He argues this is one of the reasons why people believe the Quran was authored by a divine all-knowing or wise god.

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0:00:02 welcome to this new series by0:00:04 sapiens institute this new series is0:00:07 going to focus on0:00:09 scientific errors or the supposed0:00:12 scientific errors0:00:13 narrative which is propounded by some of0:00:16 the anti-muslim apologists0:00:18 this series deals with the most notable0:00:21 contentions0:00:22 as per mentions of these particular0:00:25 contentions0:00:26 on different anti-islamic websites and0:00:29 publications0:00:31 this is brought to you by sapiens0:00:33 institute0:00:34 an institute which focuses on two0:00:37 primary things0:00:38 number one is to further the cause of0:00:40 islam to make0:00:42 rational arguments for islam and that0:00:45 ranges from making arguments from god's0:00:47 existence to the oneness of god0:00:49 all the way through to the revelation of0:00:51 the prophet muhammad0:00:53 and the proof of his prophethood0:00:57 the second objective is that sapiens0:00:59 institutes deals with the most0:01:01 contentious and controversial objections0:01:05 against islam0:01:06 and this is where this series fits0:01:10 into the scheme of work if you like of0:01:13 what we do0:01:15 we have decided to spend some months0:01:18 actually collating data0:01:20 and using the interdisciplinary approach0:01:24 where we consult with scientists with0:01:27 theologians with scholars of different0:01:30 backgrounds within the islamic tradition0:01:33 and of course with philosophers of0:01:35 science0:01:37 to come to conclusions about the extent0:01:39 to which there is in fact a conflict a0:01:41 supposed conflict0:01:43 between what is observably0:01:47 observable to us empirically let's say0:01:50 and the quranic text this of course0:01:54 requires0:01:55 knowledge in many different areas and0:01:58 i would like to thank all of those who0:02:00 contributed to this series0:02:02 before i begin now0:02:06 this video comprises of the as i've0:02:08 mentioned most common contentions0:02:11 you may see the most common contentions0:02:14 in the description box below because you0:02:17 might not need answers to all of them0:02:20 so you might have a particular0:02:22 contention that you would like0:02:23 answered rather than all of them and so0:02:26 you can go to0:02:27 the description box which will act like0:02:29 a contents page0:02:31 and you can click on the particular0:02:33 objection0:02:34 that you would like to be answered0:02:37 in this way this will act like a virtual0:02:40 web database on the matter of0:02:44 supposed scientific discrepancies in the0:02:46 quran0:02:48 now here's the thing before we begin0:02:49 it's very important0:02:51 that we say from the outset0:02:55 that whatever school of philosophical0:02:57 thought you take on the philosophy of0:02:59 science whether you are a realist or an0:03:01 anti-realist0:03:02 you must you must realize that even the0:03:05 best0:03:06 scientific theories with the best kind0:03:09 of predictive power0:03:10 are are susceptible to change0:03:15 this is the dynamism and the transient0:03:17 nature of the scientific method0:03:19 if it were not so then falsification0:03:21 would not be0:03:23 something which could happen so science0:03:26 is not a set of eternal truths0:03:30 and incorrigible facts0:03:33 to the contrary science is transient and0:03:36 dynamic0:03:38 to the contrary science can change even0:03:40 that which0:03:41 is known to us a scientific fact can in0:03:44 fact change0:03:45 as we know through the great works of0:03:47 thomas kuhn where he refers to these as0:03:50 scientific revolutions not just0:03:53 scientific facts change but the entire0:03:55 paradigm0:03:56 where in which science operates may0:03:59 undergo what is referred to as0:04:00 scientific revolution0:04:02 this has happened many times in history0:04:05 and so it's important from the outset0:04:07 not to have an expectation0:04:11 that there must be a perfect correlation0:04:13 between0:04:14 today's science of 2021 for example0:04:19 and every single verse of the quran and0:04:22 every single hadith that there is that0:04:24 is authentic0:04:26 this is not a reasonable expectation not0:04:28 least because0:04:29 the scientific method itself is in flux0:04:33 however having said this anything which0:04:35 is0:04:36 observably real and true0:04:40 and has very high epistemic weight from0:04:42 an empirical perspective0:04:44 we would say that truth cannot0:04:47 contradict0:04:48 the quranic narrative and so0:04:51 bearing all of these things in mind it's0:04:54 important to approach0:04:56 the topic of science in the quran with0:04:58 care and nuance0:05:00 and sophistication i hope this0:05:03 series is something which you can0:05:06 benefit from0:05:07 it is certainly something which we have0:05:08 put a lot of time in0:05:10 a lot of effort in and we will be doing0:05:13 this0:05:14 with major themes of0:05:18 narratives against islam from morality0:05:21 all the way through to arguments as0:05:24 we've said0:05:25 of god's existence and hopefully you can0:05:28 benefit0:05:29 and share this video to all those who0:05:31 you think will benefit0:05:42 today inshallah we're going to be0:05:44 dealing with a hadith0:05:46 which references adam alaihissalam a0:05:49 prophet of islam0:05:50 as being 60 cubits tall which is like 270:05:53 meters0:05:54 and they say this is unbelievable and0:05:56 impossible but before we get to this0:05:58 hadith0:05:59 let's talk about the islamic stance on0:06:01 the theory of evolution generally0:06:02 speaking talking about the0:06:03 theory of evolution muslims don't have0:06:06 an issue or shouldn't really have an0:06:07 issue with0:06:08 speciation adaptation or even evolution0:06:11 of animals because we believe0:06:13 that there's nothing explicit in the0:06:15 quran one way the other and actually0:06:17 done a podcast0:06:18 with abdullah is0:06:21 a prominent figure in saudi arabia who0:06:23 researches these matters and well0:06:25 published and in this field0:06:26 and were in my discussion with him and0:06:28 this was his opinion0:06:30 so which is quite frankly like 99.90:06:33 if we look at it from a mass perspective0:06:35 really 99.90:06:37 of the theory the the issue we have0:06:40 um we take issue with or the point of0:06:43 evolution0:06:44 slither of which really diametrically0:06:46 opposes some of the islamic narratives0:06:47 is0:06:48 human evolution now obviously we have a0:06:50 narrative we have a narrative in islam0:06:52 which is that the adam ali was created0:06:55 directly or this prophet adam was0:06:57 created directly by allah0:06:58 by god almighty and there are many0:07:00 things which differentiate human0:07:02 beings from the rest of the animal0:07:04 kingdom morality the uh0:07:06 the ability to question why you know um0:07:10 this is many different in language0:07:12 civilization and so on and so forth0:07:14 and it couldn't have been the case we0:07:16 would argue that0:07:17 we can actually in any way be uh be0:07:19 equated uh0:07:20 to the rest of the animal kingdom and0:07:22 there's something special about human0:07:23 beings0:07:25 in the quran that he has dignified the0:07:28 children of adam so0:07:29 we we don't necessarily agree or0:07:31 disagree we can remain agnostic as to0:07:33 uh you know darwinian evolution with0:07:34 other animals but as it relates to0:07:36 the human being there is something0:07:38 special about the human being0:07:40 and that is why allah created human0:07:42 being directly0:07:44 and in this hadith there's indication0:07:46 that he created adam0:07:47 is 60 cubits tall now the question is0:07:49 this0:07:50 seems unscientific on many grounds and0:07:53 i'll tell you what on three0:07:54 major grounds number one is biological0:07:56 number two is archaeological0:07:58 and or paleontological you could say as0:08:01 well from a fossil record perspective0:08:03 and number three uh looking at the kind0:08:06 of0:08:07 disparity in sizes if we do assume that0:08:10 there was a human being of0:08:12 such great magnitude in terms of size0:08:15 how can we explain the fact0:08:18 that human beings are like uh give or0:08:19 take you know six foot tall give or take0:08:22 you know0:08:22 half a meter or whatever it may be or0:08:24 more right but0:08:26 how can you explain this huge disparity0:08:29 in the fact that you're saying that you0:08:30 believe in adam who's 27 meters tall and0:08:33 and a human being now which is you know0:08:35 typically anything between0:08:37 five foot five to six foot five and0:08:39 obviously there are extremities on0:08:40 on both sides of that equation as more0:08:42 people are taller than six or five like0:08:43 myself0:08:44 and people are shorter than five foot0:08:45 five like many many people0:08:47 so here there's two parts of the hadith0:08:50 which we need to pay attention to0:08:52 which is the first part of the hadith0:08:54 talks about that allah created0:08:57 them 60 cubits0:09:00 tall and in terms of hadith0:09:03 there are some narrations which don't0:09:05 mention this 60 qubits0:09:08 and the the there are some narrations0:09:10 that do mention the 60 qubits0:09:12 but we don't say that just because there0:09:14 are some narrations that don't mention0:09:16 the 60 cubits0:09:17 that the narrations that do mention0:09:18 these qubits are erroneous0:09:20 that makes no sense actually uh this0:09:22 this doesn't and some people have0:09:24 attempted to argue0:09:25 uh that this means that this should be a0:09:27 disbanded known that doesn't mean that's0:09:29 not how the hadith science works0:09:30 so that's the first thing other people0:09:32 say the second part of the hadith which0:09:34 talks about0:09:39 that the the the creation is um0:09:42 is is becoming smaller and smaller until0:09:44 now they found it problematic because0:09:47 even himself he mentions how could it be0:09:49 the case that0:09:51 this is happening right that and we can0:09:53 see adam tamud's0:09:55 uh kind of uh indwellings they're the0:09:58 archaeological remnants of their0:09:59 indwellings and we can see that their0:10:01 houses and that0:10:02 you know the doors and so on were not so0:10:04 tall and he assumed0:10:06 and without by the way nas and evidence0:10:08 that0:10:10 were closer to adam than they were to us0:10:12 human beings and obviously0:10:14 the only real evidence we have anything0:10:16 between0:10:18 and adam alaihissalam is0:10:21 there's no evidence i mean there's only0:10:23 uh israelite or kind of biblical0:10:25 narrations0:10:25 so potentially he was using those to0:10:27 kind of raise his eyebrow but he did not0:10:30 say this0:10:31 or defective as many believe that he did0:10:35 now having oh because of nast reasons or0:10:37 content reasons0:10:38 going now forward to answering the0:10:40 contentions there are0:10:42 variations of this hadith which refer to0:10:44 fist sama0:10:46 okay that this was in the heaven not0:10:48 heaven0:10:49 as in jannah but now obviously if you0:10:52 look at the quranic cosmology0:10:54 heaven is above okay because obviously0:10:58 we know that the prophet was taken there0:10:59 in this0:11:00 so it could be the case that this height0:11:03 and this0:11:04 mega size of 27 meters is specific to0:11:07 jannah0:11:08 and there's nothing wrong linguistically0:11:10 in believing that because obviously we0:11:12 believe that adam ali he salam0:11:14 he started his journey yes in heaven i0:11:17 mean0:11:17 we have a whole narrative where he was0:11:18 in a completely different place and then0:11:20 allah he sent him down to the earth0:11:22 he sent him down to the earth yes he's0:11:25 created from the elements of the earth0:11:26 but he was0:11:27 in many ways an extraterrestrial because0:11:29 he came from a completely different0:11:31 dimension0:11:31 and he came to this earth now in that0:11:34 transition period could he have shrunk0:11:36 could allah have made him smaller that's0:11:39 also a possibility we're not0:11:40 disregarding that as a possibility but0:11:42 there's no evidence of that from the0:11:43 quran sunnah0:11:44 so we can't say that that is what0:11:45 happened and what we will say is this0:11:48 let's assume that allah he brought adam0:11:50 down0:11:51 he was 60 cubits either in heaven and0:11:55 on earth or in heaven or on the earth0:11:57 but let's just assume that he was a0:11:58 60 cubits in heaven and on the earth so0:12:01 when he came down0:12:02 he was also 27 27 meters which by the0:12:05 way now we're starting to make0:12:06 assumptions which we don't0:12:07 necessarily need to be i'd need to make0:12:10 we could say no this0:12:11 he was like that high in heaven and when0:12:13 he came on the earth he became normal0:12:15 height0:12:16 that that's something you can't assume0:12:18 from the from the source0:12:19 but let's not assume that let's say he0:12:22 was0:12:22 27 meters on the earth what's the0:12:24 problem what's the problem0:12:26 the problem are three different things0:12:27 now number one biology0:12:29 if we use the human anatomy that we have0:12:32 today as the reference point0:12:34 if if the if the human anatomy today is0:12:37 the reference point0:12:39 how could it be that something that tall0:12:41 or human being that tall0:12:43 the bone structure can maintain that0:12:45 kind of size right because it will0:12:47 collapse because of the weight0:12:48 of the human being well this is a0:12:50 fallacy because we're not starting with0:12:53 the human being today as the reference0:12:54 point we're starting with0:12:56 why would you start with today's human0:12:57 being as a reference point the reference0:12:59 point0:12:59 is that 27 meter human being that we're0:13:03 talking about0:13:04 that's the reference point so if someone0:13:05 says well we know that if we keep0:13:07 doubling sizes0:13:08 as i've even heard some some muslims try0:13:10 and say keep doubling sizes and height0:13:12 then the height will be so at all and0:13:14 then the weight will be so much and then0:13:16 the0:13:16 bones will not be able to handle that0:13:18 density of the bones will not be able to0:13:20 handle that0:13:20 you're using your reference point uh0:13:23 as the human anatomy of today and then0:13:26 doing chaos backwards0:13:27 which is a grass malfur if you like or a0:13:30 false type of analogy0:13:31 it's a different kind it's false kind of0:13:33 analogy so that's the first problem you0:13:34 could say or0:13:35 it's inconceivable that human anatomy0:13:37 can can handle that size0:13:39 well it's only inconceivable on the0:13:41 basis of0:13:42 and analyzing today's human anatomy0:13:44 that's the first thing the second thing0:13:45 we may say0:13:46 is someone could say well um we talked0:13:49 about the biological problems0:13:51 fossilization how comes there is no0:13:53 fossil record0:13:54 of such a huge human the national0:13:56 science foundation0:13:57 says that 99.90:14:01 99.9 oh my0:14:04 99.9 of species have not undergone0:14:07 fossilization so fossilization you0:14:10 expect0:14:11 to find one specimen0:14:15 of a fossil of a human that we don't0:14:17 know tens or hundred thousand0:14:19 whatever is years that he existed before0:14:21 no way0:14:22 this is like finding a needle in the0:14:24 haystack it's ridiculous0:14:26 to expect to find fossils like this is0:14:28 absolutely absurd0:14:29 it's such a redundant redundant0:14:32 interrogation so that that one would be0:14:35 put to the side0:14:36 the third now interrogation is well0:14:39 how can we conceive of such a disparity0:14:41 between0:14:42 uh humans within this or any kind of0:14:46 animal within the same species like this0:14:48 they say we don't accept that we don't0:14:49 accept that you can have a 270:14:52 meter human being and then you can have0:14:54 a six foot human being0:14:56 and that that disparity existed and they0:14:58 say humans have been around for 350 0000:15:00 years which is by the way estimates we0:15:01 don't have to go with because they keep0:15:03 changing those quite frankly0:15:04 but let's just assume for the sake of0:15:06 argument are you saying to me it's my0:15:08 response0:15:08 that you have there's no species within0:15:12 the species that0:15:13 exhibit this decrease in size0:15:17 this dramatic exponential decrease in0:15:19 size because i can give you an example0:15:21 of the dwarf elephants0:15:22 which the general proceedings national0:15:24 academy of science0:15:25 shows the dwarf elephants were 2200:15:29 pounds0:15:30 they went down in 800 000 years0:15:32 according to0:15:34 the journal in 800 000 years they went0:15:36 down0:15:37 100 times in size so they were they were0:15:40 100 times bigger than they were they0:15:42 became dwarf elephants0:15:44 220 pounds 100 kilos which would mean0:15:47 that i'm bigger than those elephants me0:15:48 personally the one who's talking to you0:15:49 on the imagine an elephant0:15:51 that i can pick up or that you can pick0:15:53 up and that would be heavier to pick me0:15:55 up0:15:55 than an elephant i mean this is just to0:15:58 give you some kind of visuals here0:16:00 so if you can believe0:16:03 in an elephant that is0:16:06 that size because you're looking at the0:16:09 fossil record and you're0:16:10 making your uh evolutionarily er0:16:12 evolution0:16:13 uh inferences then why can you not0:16:16 believe in0:16:17 a human being that's much bigger this is0:16:19 just one of many examples0:16:22 but within a very short time span in0:16:24 evolutionary terms0:16:25 so why could not that happen to the0:16:28 human0:16:29 i mean if you really want to believe it0:16:31 on your paradigm why could not that0:16:33 happen to the human being0:16:34 so it's okay when you say these things0:16:36 but it's not okay when you say these0:16:37 things0:16:37 you make a mockery of the hadith but the0:16:40 hadith makes the mockery out of you0:16:41 because this is actually what you0:16:42 believe in as well0:16:43 and hopefully that answers the question0:16:47 today in sha allah we're going to be0:16:49 discussing0:16:50 a particular verse and actually there's0:16:52 more than one of them0:16:54 in the quran which make these kinds of0:16:55 references but we'll focus on one0:16:57 because0:16:58 the same thing that can be said of this0:16:59 verse can be said of all of the other0:17:01 ones which have similar phraseologies0:17:04 and this is a verse in chapter number 550:17:06 of the quran verses 19 to 210:17:10 says0:17:16 that he let free this the two seas of0:17:20 water and he put between them a barrier0:17:23 that he cannot0:17:24 transgress between now i recently saw0:17:26 and i saw this before0:17:27 long time ago a video of richard dawkins0:17:30 richard dawkins actually0:17:32 going to a school with some muslim0:17:35 students0:17:36 some young students and this is a common0:17:38 tactic0:17:39 you go for the unique ones the untrained0:17:41 ones uh0:17:42 you know the the students that they're0:17:45 not theologians they're not learned0:17:47 they're still actually even0:17:48 haven't finished their gcses and this is0:17:50 the kind of you know0:17:51 engagements that richard dawkins and the0:17:53 rest of the new atheist movement0:17:55 are used to doing with the muslims you0:17:57 get some weak one0:17:58 and you try and brainwash them uh into0:18:00 your world view0:18:02 and he was you know talking um0:18:05 to these little girls uh or these0:18:09 young girls and he was trying to0:18:11 persuade them that0:18:12 really he was that the quran was wrong0:18:14 he wasn't saying it in any explicit type0:18:16 of way but he was being very0:18:18 pedantic maybe we can get a clip of this0:18:20 video0:18:21 and see what he has what he's doing here0:18:23 we learn about science and the quran by0:18:25 the end of the day we all came to one0:18:27 conclusion0:18:28 that the quran is evidence of science0:18:31 what science has proved to be um just0:18:33 recently it's already proved in the0:18:35 quran 1400 years ago when it was written0:18:38 but that doesn't include evolution0:18:40 apparently0:18:42 so what does it include it includes0:18:44 stuff like the shape of the earth0:18:46 um about the mountains how they secure0:18:49 the earth0:18:50 and how um in the sea the two waters0:18:52 they don't mix the salty water0:18:54 and the drinking water so it's um pure0:18:57 for us to drink0:18:58 they don't mix but they pass through0:18:59 each other0:19:01 salty water and fresh water don't mix in0:19:03 the sea0:19:04 no it's like um the natural barrier0:19:07 i was shocked that re elbows out science0:19:10 like this0:19:11 as you saw this man was badgering the0:19:13 kids um0:19:15 he doesn't want to go to train0:19:16 theologians muslim theologians or0:19:19 public figures or whatever it may be0:19:21 he's going for the children0:19:23 and really he's arguing that this is0:19:26 false in the quran if if the idea is0:19:28 that you have these0:19:30 uh the sweet water the fresh water and0:19:32 the salty water0:19:33 that there is a barrier between these no0:19:36 such barrier exists he said you can go0:19:37 to the kitchen0:19:38 yes you can put the sweet you can put0:19:40 the you know these two waters together0:19:42 and mix them and disprove the quran0:19:45 you know this is such a weak and lazy0:19:47 approach don't you want to research what0:19:49 this verse is talking about in the first0:19:51 place0:19:52 because if you just went to even an0:19:54 english translation of the exegesis of0:19:57 such verses0:19:58 you don't realize that the prominent or0:20:00 the most popular0:20:02 exegetical opinion on this was that the0:20:05 barrier in question were the land masses0:20:08 that were separating seas from rivers0:20:11 for example the arabian peninsula0:20:13 for example other land masses that0:20:14 separate these things0:20:16 so on the one side of this landmass you0:20:17 have maybe a cna other0:20:19 side you have a river and within the0:20:22 land0:20:22 you have a river flowing this is what is0:20:25 being referred to here0:20:26 that god in his uh greatness is able to0:20:30 allow such different types of waters to0:20:32 exist0:20:34 within the sphere of the earth and this0:20:37 is0:20:38 uh what's wrong with that was what's so0:20:40 unscientific about that0:20:41 why are you so lazy as to not go to a0:20:45 tafsir in english and check out that0:20:48 that was0:20:49 the primary exegetical0:20:52 method of understanding this verse you0:20:55 see0:20:55 and this is what happens when you don't0:20:58 do your research0:20:59 yes there are some scholars who say it's0:21:01 an invisible barrier and this has0:21:03 now gone to the scientific miracles0:21:05 narrative and so on0:21:06 but we're not even going to go there0:21:08 some say it's talking about0:21:10 estuaries and others say it's this and0:21:12 it's talking about0:21:13 i'm not going there this is enough for0:21:15 me to say0:21:16 that your shenanigans has been exposed0:21:19 that you didn't even make an attempt0:21:22 you didn't even make an attempt to try0:21:24 and understand the verse0:21:25 and read up some opinions on it0:21:34 today inshallah we're going to be0:21:35 talking about a contention which is0:21:37 really a feeble and weak0:21:39 intention contention sorry which0:21:42 like many of those is really lazy0:21:46 academics at its best it's the0:21:48 contention that says0:21:50 that the quran mentions sperm0:21:53 but it does not mention ovum and0:21:55 therefore the0:21:56 author authorship of the quran was0:21:58 unaware0:21:59 that sachin ovum existed in the first0:22:02 place0:22:02 well actually the quran doesn't mention0:22:04 spermatozoa the word nutha0:22:07 which is sometimes translated as sperm0:22:10 drop0:22:11 if you look at any of the ancient kind0:22:13 of linguistic0:22:15 dictionaries it simply means0:22:20 or a minute quantity of liquid or fluid0:22:24 that's what it means now some0:22:26 translators have translated this to mean0:22:28 spermatozoa0:22:29 or not even that sperm drop or something0:22:32 like this0:22:33 but that is us putting our own kind of0:22:36 21st century glasses on0:22:37 and imposing it on the quran the quran0:22:39 even now the arabs when they're talking0:22:41 about when they write in their0:22:42 kind of scientific textbooks about sperm0:22:45 they call it0:22:47 menowi okay they it's basically the0:22:49 animal which0:22:50 sperm animal you know this is how they0:22:52 translate it because the word nutha0:22:55 is not specific enough to that very you0:22:58 know0:22:59 sperm that we see in diagrams i'm sure0:23:01 you've seen0:23:02 in pictures and so on in films or0:23:03 whatever it may be so the quran doesn't0:23:06 mention0:23:06 that nor does it mention uh the egg it0:23:09 doesn't mention the egg in this0:23:11 because no one would understand this i0:23:12 mean think about the quran is trying to0:23:14 reach out to a 7th century 8th century0:23:15 9th century audience not just a 21st0:23:17 century audience0:23:18 imagine if telling the end user here0:23:21 that0:23:22 inside of the sperm that comes out or0:23:24 you emit as a man0:23:27 there is actually animals in there all0:23:29 the people would be like0:23:30 what was this talking about i mean think0:23:32 about that the quran uses phraseology0:23:34 which is appropriate for all peoples in0:23:36 all times0:23:37 it uses perfect under phraseology which0:23:39 we0:23:40 as for example 21st century um end users0:23:43 of0:23:43 the quranic discourse can understand0:23:48 you know with with for example the0:23:49 biological and embryological0:23:50 understanding of today0:23:52 but also that it couldn't alienate the0:23:54 7th or 8th century or 9th century0:23:56 to 10th century people up until the age0:23:58 when the microscope was developed0:24:00 this is uh foolishness at its core0:24:02 really this assumption0:24:04 so yes it doesn't doesn't mention the0:24:05 sperm in that sense it doesn't mention0:24:07 the over in that sense0:24:08 but the indications to be quite honest0:24:11 with you0:24:12 are all there that show that the0:24:14 authorship of quran0:24:15 of the quran or the author of the quran0:24:18 was0:24:19 acutely aware0:24:22 like for example0:24:30 it says0:24:34 we have created the human being from a0:24:36 mixture0:24:38 of fluids and we have made him seeing0:24:41 and hearing0:24:42 now what is this mixture almost0:24:44 everybody agrees it's talking0:24:46 about the the male and female0:24:50 fluids combining now what fluids are0:24:52 we're talking about the entirety of it0:24:54 because we know it only requires one0:24:55 cell from each0:24:56 and this is also indicated in the hadith0:24:58 of the prophet0:25:04 born child is not from the entirety of0:25:06 the fluid so subhanallah even this so0:25:08 you have this0:25:09 you have this mixture between the male0:25:12 and female fluids0:25:14 which we know uh it happens0:25:17 in fertilization but it's only a part of0:25:20 this0:25:21 entirety of thing which creates the0:25:23 fertilization what's fascinating is that0:25:25 the sperm0:25:26 and the ovum and the egg are all0:25:29 contained within a fluid0:25:31 uh and this is uh beautifully elaborated0:25:34 with the one who says i'll call him i've0:25:36 been given the0:25:38 brief and decisive speech used the0:25:39 prophet muhammed who said0:25:41 that it's not from the entirety of this0:25:43 liquid but it's actually0:25:45 from a part of it so this it seems to me0:25:48 that is the author of the quran and0:25:52 the the the sunnah as well0:25:55 was aware was aware of these0:25:58 the mind you say related to the these0:26:01 things0:26:02 and i think this is really a shot in the0:26:04 foot for those0:26:05 detractors because the more we look at0:26:07 your evidences with the more we realize0:26:09 the beauty and the precision of the0:26:12 quranic0:26:12 discourse0:26:20 today in sha allah we're going to be0:26:21 speaking about a very0:26:23 fruitless and frivolous and capricious0:26:26 claim0:26:27 a weak claim a ridiculous contention0:26:31 of the highest order really a claim that0:26:34 says that0:26:35 the quran says in chapter number 510:26:39 verse number 49 that everything was0:26:42 created in pairs0:26:52 [Music]0:26:56 and we know of such a thing as a sexual0:26:59 reproduction0:27:00 and therefore this is false so0:27:03 i don't know whether to stop roll my0:27:05 eyes0:27:06 or even try and dignify this uh thing0:27:09 with the0:27:09 with the response but maybe i should for0:27:12 the0:27:13 for the satisfaction of those who are a0:27:15 little bit curious0:27:17 really and truly we've said this more0:27:18 than once the word kul0:27:21 does not necessarily mean every single0:27:23 thing0:27:24 with the exclusion of nothing in the0:27:26 genus this is something which we know0:27:29 from0:27:29 the usage of the word kul which is also0:27:31 used in the quran0:27:33 while spanish mentions0:27:36 46 verse number 250:27:46 says0:27:48 that it destroys there's a wind that0:27:50 destroys everything0:27:52 with the command of its lord so0:27:56 they came to be not seen except for0:27:59 their indwellings0:28:00 and of course this does not mean that0:28:03 this wind0:28:04 that allah is talking about0:28:07 is a wind that destroyed everything0:28:09 including animals and the0:28:12 earth and the cosmos even though0:28:15 there's the exception there illa0:28:17 masakinuhum0:28:19 except for their indwellings it doesn't0:28:20 mean everything was destroyed except for0:28:21 the indwelling so the0:28:23 kul here is not intended by any means0:28:28 or any stretch of the imagination0:28:31 to mean every single thing0:28:34 on the face of the earth let alone the0:28:36 entire0:28:37 existence or entire universe this is0:28:41 impossible0:28:42 to extrapolate from this verse and that0:28:44 is why many of the scholars have0:28:46 actually0:28:47 written books and criticism about this0:28:49 word kul0:28:50 because many people that employ0:28:52 literalistic understandings0:28:54 of the arabic language do not understand0:28:58 these kinds of usages so sulti0:29:00 wrote a book0:29:04 or the word kul and what it implies or0:29:07 what its0:29:09 evidences or shows now is it talking0:29:12 about animals0:29:14 it doesn't say animals in this verse0:29:18 but it doesn't mean just animals because0:29:20 if you look at some of the0:29:21 exegesis of the past even of0:29:25 uh great uh scholars like hassan basri0:29:28 and others0:29:28 and even if you look at what he says0:29:31 they don't restrict this0:29:32 to just meaning male and female for0:29:35 example they say0:29:36 azoge is anything and it's opposite so0:29:39 for example if you have0:29:40 night then the opposite will be the day0:29:42 if you have heaven the opposite will be0:29:44 the0:29:44 earth for example you know from our0:29:46 perspective before someone jumps and0:29:48 says no this is0:29:49 just calm down we're talking about the0:29:51 anthropocentric perspective otherwise0:29:53 it's all meaningless we're nothing0:29:55 in the universe anyway so here again0:29:58 this is a flatly weak and false0:30:02 contention pouring into the quran what0:30:04 they wish0:30:05 was in there and is not in there so0:30:08 simply to answer this question0:30:10 the word cool doesn't mean every single0:30:11 thing and it's not restricted0:30:14 to male and female distinctions0:30:17 it could be anything and it's opposite0:30:19 quite frankly0:30:20 and this is facilitated in the language0:30:22 and understood by the classical0:30:24 executives of the time0:30:25 and i hope this answers the question0:30:26 wassalamualaikum warahmatullahi0:30:28 wabarakatuh0:30:34 today inshallah we're going to be0:30:35 tackling and dealing with a0:30:37 contention a misconception a misnomer0:30:40 really0:30:41 uh that some of the anti-islamic0:30:43 apologists use in order to further their0:30:44 case0:30:45 and this is a very common one that's0:30:46 been circulating maybe the internet for0:30:48 some time and0:30:50 really it's a contention that says that0:30:52 the quran gets it wrong when it says0:30:53 that the bones form before0:30:55 flesh when in suratul0:30:58 the chapter 22 in chapter 230:31:01 respectively of the quran0:31:02 they detail the stages of embryological0:31:04 development or embryonic development0:31:06 when these two surahs do so the mistake0:31:09 they say in the0:31:10 the chronology is that the bones are0:31:13 mentioned before0:31:14 the flesh0:31:19 [Music]0:31:42 [Music]0:31:48 and they say this is something which is0:31:49 problematic now0:31:52 first of all let's take a look at what0:31:53 the the latest cutting edge0:31:55 uh you know kind of research you're0:31:56 saying on this i'm going to read this0:31:57 from directly because this is not my0:31:59 area of specialism so i'm going to be0:32:01 doing this diana or using this book0:32:04 which is the fundamentals of human0:32:06 embryology by john allen and0:32:07 beverly cramer to inform the discussion0:32:10 today let's start off with what they say0:32:12 about the development of lim lim0:32:15 musculature it says for many years and0:32:18 it's very interesting because0:32:20 science as we always say is a transient0:32:22 and dynamic and developing0:32:23 thing and so when maybe 20 or 30 years0:32:26 ago they were using these kinds of0:32:28 interrogations against the quran the0:32:30 fact that0:32:31 science has developed okay actually0:32:34 shows us0:32:35 that we have to be a bit careful making0:32:37 judgments about the quran using science0:32:39 either positively or negatively because0:32:41 listen to what they say0:32:43 she says or he says because we don't0:32:45 know who's writing it here0:32:47 for many years it was believed that limb0:32:49 muscles differentiated in situ0:32:51 from uh lim mesenchy mesenchyme0:32:54 it is now known that myogenic cells0:32:57 invade the limb buds from the somites at0:33:00 the roots of the butt however it seems0:33:02 that tendons and other connective0:33:03 tissue elements of the muscles are0:33:06 formed in situ0:33:08 from the limb bud uh mesenchyme now the0:33:10 mesenchyme is not yet0:33:12 actualized or it's not really developed0:33:14 into one of the0:33:15 three main types of cell which would0:33:17 either form a skin bone or muscle0:33:19 but this the point of importance here is0:33:22 is this particular thing and this is0:33:24 very important here0:33:25 soon after the cartilaginous models of0:33:27 the bones have been established the0:33:29 myogenic cells0:33:30 which have now become myoblasts0:33:32 aggregate to form0:33:35 muscle masses on the ventral and dorsal0:33:37 aspects of the limbs0:33:38 these muscle masses in the relevant0:33:40 compartments0:33:41 form the flexors and extenders of the0:33:43 joints rotator muscles are also formed0:33:46 so that flexes and pronators0:33:49 are related and extend extensors and0:33:52 uh supinators are related now basically0:33:55 in0:33:56 lay language which people like me are0:33:58 more need of than i'm i'm pretty sure0:33:59 are informed and educated audiences0:34:02 what we're talking about when they say0:34:03 myoblast sorry myogenic cells so the0:34:06 myogenic cells would eventually become0:34:08 muscle tissue okay so what is being said0:34:10 here is that you've got these0:34:11 cartilaginous models right0:34:13 and the cartilaginous models would0:34:14 eventually become ossified through a0:34:16 process of0:34:17 osteogenesis or ossification which0:34:19 actually continues until puberty and0:34:21 this0:34:22 basically forms the bone it becomes0:34:26 ossified so these cartilaginous0:34:30 zones basically you have these myogenic0:34:31 cells coming now0:34:33 forming over the cartilaginous zones now0:34:35 what are the cartilaginous0:34:37 zones or models they basically form what0:34:40 would then0:34:41 become muscles after the process of0:34:42 sorry bones after the process of0:34:44 ossification0:34:45 now the question is can cartilage in the0:34:47 arabic language0:34:48 be used to describe bone or0:34:51 our bone a type of sorry is cartilage a0:34:55 type of bone in the arabic language0:34:56 because if it is then the whole issue0:34:58 from a scientific perspective0:35:00 has become becomes an honesty straight0:35:01 away and the answer is yes0:35:03 the answer is the word roof in the0:35:06 arabic language which means cartilage0:35:08 the word roof in the arabic language0:35:10 which means cartilage according to0:35:11 pharus abadi in his book0:35:12 in his dictionary and of course which is0:35:15 one of the0:35:16 premiere gold standard you know0:35:18 reference points as a from a dictionary0:35:20 perspective0:35:21 on the arabic language and when they0:35:23 describe0:35:24 roof it says you know album legend or0:35:27 something like this or basically0:35:29 it's his bone which is very smooth in0:35:32 other words cartilage0:35:33 is a type of bone in the arabic language0:35:36 so could it be the case could it be the0:35:39 case0:35:39 that this verse is talking about this0:35:42 process0:35:43 of the myogenic cells migrating uh to0:35:46 the cartilaginous models0:35:47 yes it could very well be and if it is0:35:49 the entire contention is completely0:35:52 uh solved but of course does it mean0:35:55 does it have to say fakasona0:36:02 or chronology or sequentialism the0:36:05 answer is not really0:36:06 it could be conceived that the fair hair0:36:08 is not necessarily chronological0:36:11 and we can bring evidences all over the0:36:14 quran and sunnah0:36:15 to evidence's case but suffice it for me0:36:18 to say0:36:18 that that is not necessary at this0:36:20 juncture since the whole issue has0:36:21 become0:36:22 a non-issue according to the current0:36:25 scientific information that we have0:36:26 but no definitely it could be that0:36:30 the fair is not the could be and also0:36:32 you have to remember one other thing0:36:33 that it says it doesn't say0:36:38 it says we have clothed the thumb with0:36:42 meat or with flesh it doesn't say that0:36:44 we have0:36:45 yes created the flesh in other words0:36:49 it may be the case it may be the case0:36:52 that the meat also the flesh whatever0:36:56 you want to call it0:36:57 that it was already there but it was0:36:58 rearranged because el0:37:00 kiso is different from hulk so clothing0:37:03 something is different from it0:37:04 being created especially from0:37:05 non-emergent properties0:37:07 in other words coming from non-emergence0:37:09 there's a difference between those two0:37:10 things0:37:10 and in fact has something very0:37:12 interesting in his tafsir who is an0:37:14 early0:37:15 he talks about the stage which is0:37:16 referred to in surah as0:37:19 he talks about when it's formed and from0:37:21 the mudra which is0:37:23 another really really interesting0:37:24 description because mudra0:37:27 is literally means something which is0:37:28 chewed a chewed-like flesh0:37:30 or chewed-like thing and this is what0:37:32 the dictionaries all the dictionaries0:37:34 will say to the arabic dictionaries so0:37:36 mudra really0:37:38 mudra really could be very well0:37:40 corresponding with0:37:42 what is referred to today in the0:37:43 embryology as someone so massage0:37:45 somatogenesis the soul mites being0:37:47 formed on the0:37:48 uh india on the embryo and the fact that0:37:53 could be talking about the cells0:37:56 migrating in different ways and0:37:57 operating or operationalizing and0:37:59 functioning in different ways0:38:00 this is very possible but it's suffice0:38:04 it for me to say once again0:38:05 that if we accept the premise0:38:09 that the cartilaginous models or zones0:38:12 which0:38:12 have not been fully ossified and will0:38:14 not be fully ossified by the way0:38:16 because this is the assumption of the uh0:38:18 the attack0:38:19 are sufficient to be renamed as adam in0:38:22 the quran0:38:22 then according to the latest science0:38:24 that we have this becomes a non-issue0:38:26 straight away and hopefully that answers0:38:28 the question of salaam alaikum0:38:32 today insha'allah we're going to be0:38:33 talking about one of the most spurious0:38:35 and species claims that i've actually0:38:37 ever seen against islam0:38:39 that it beggars belief that people are0:38:41 actually using this as an argument0:38:42 against islam0:38:43 it's such a blow to the credibility of0:38:45 those individuals0:38:46 that they are making arguments so0:38:48 desperate and so pathetic as this0:38:50 what is the argument that we're talking0:38:51 about so this is one of the arguments0:38:53 they say that the quran says that0:38:54 there's0:38:55 feminist as wedge that there are eight0:38:58 types of as wedge or0:38:59 pears and with that it's talking about0:39:01 the anaheim0:39:02 and that there are four types of is0:39:05 loosely translated as cattle0:39:07 and the quran says0:39:11 that from the from the sheep there are0:39:13 two pairs and from the mass the goats0:39:15 there are two pairs0:39:16 and from the bakari's name from the cows0:39:18 there are two pairs0:39:19 and from the ibulith name and from the0:39:21 camels there are two pairs and they say0:39:22 look0:39:23 this is from what i've understood from0:39:24 their contention because it's so0:39:26 pathetic that it actually beggars once0:39:27 again believe0:39:29 if you take for example the collins0:39:30 dictionary definition of the word cattle0:39:32 what i've seen is that it says for0:39:34 example boved mammals0:39:36 of the tribe of uh bovines especially0:39:38 those of genus0:39:39 boss and then you go to bovin bovid0:39:42 and potentially this is what they're0:39:44 referring to here that can relate to0:39:46 a family of hollow-horned mammals0:39:48 including sheeps goats cattle antelopes0:39:50 and buffalo0:39:51 so my understanding of their contention0:39:54 is that they're saying that the word an0:39:56 am0:39:56 is or cattle loosely defined or0:39:59 translated is limited in the chronic0:40:03 paradigm where it should be more0:40:05 expansive now the question is this why0:40:07 should we accept0:40:08 this definition if this is the0:40:10 definition you want us to accept0:40:11 this is clearly a case of the fallacy of0:40:13 equivocation0:40:16 you're you're forcing one language0:40:19 into another language paradigm this is0:40:21 ridiculous behavior0:40:22 and in fact it actually assures me that0:40:25 you people0:40:26 anti-islamic apologists have no0:40:28 understanding at all of the arabic0:40:30 language0:40:30 and that you're relying heavily if not0:40:33 entirely0:40:34 on translations because if you just0:40:36 looked at tafsir tabari of chapter0:40:38 number 160:40:39 verse number five and he mentions what0:40:41 the word means he mentions that it means0:40:43 those four things the word anam itself0:40:45 means those four things the sheep0:40:48 and goats and cows and0:40:52 camels you could do better than this0:40:54 this is embarrassing0:40:55 wassalamualaikum0:41:03 today insha'allah we're going to be0:41:04 talking about a verse which is0:41:06 littered all over these kind of0:41:08 anti-islamic websites0:41:10 this is in chapter 86 verse number 70:41:13 he says0:41:21 human being see where he has been uh0:41:25 from what he has been created he has0:41:27 been created from a secreted or0:41:29 gushing fluid that comes from0:41:32 all that he comes from and we'll talk0:41:34 about the differences in translation0:41:38 between the backbone and the ribs and0:41:40 obviously here sulbut0:41:42 is translated in more than one way and0:41:44 we'll come to this0:41:45 the contention is that this is actually0:41:47 unscientific because we know that0:41:49 spermiogenesis0:41:50 uh happens in the testicles and0:41:54 it doesn't happen between the backbones0:41:56 in the ribs for example0:41:58 and the assumption obviously is that0:41:59 what is being referred to0:42:01 in the verse when it says is sperm0:42:05 and therefore this verse is out of line0:42:08 with observable reality0:42:10 and it's a proof against islam this is0:42:12 the this is the contention0:42:14 so let's deal with one thing at a time0:42:16 first and foremost does the word0:42:18 what does the words actually mean0:42:22 so there are three opinions which are0:42:24 represented0:42:26 in the classical literature and the0:42:28 dictionaries0:42:29 either we're talking about the backbone0:42:30 and the ribs of the man0:42:33 all we're talking about the backbones of0:42:35 the ribs and the0:42:37 backbones of the man and the ribs of the0:42:39 woman0:42:40 all we're talking about the backbone and0:42:42 the ribs of the woman0:42:44 and we're not talking about the secreted0:42:47 liquid or the secreted fluids0:42:49 but instead we're talking about the0:42:51 insane0:42:52 the human being himself because that0:42:54 verse says falaend in san0:42:57 let the human being see from which or0:43:00 from that which has been created0:43:04 has been created from a gushing of0:43:06 secreted fluid0:43:10 which comes from between the backbone0:43:12 and the ribs0:43:13 now could it mean that the human being0:43:18 insane let the human being see which0:43:22 where he is being created from0:43:24 holy coming0:43:42 so the the opinion that says the0:43:45 classical apologetical approach or0:43:47 apologetics approach0:43:49 for those who take the view that is0:43:50 talking about mumbai nissan water the0:43:52 backbone and the ribs of the man0:43:54 is to say well actually this is saying0:43:56 man defect0:43:57 it's saying secreted fluid it's talking0:43:59 about gushing fluid0:44:01 and we know that yes spermiogenesis0:44:04 happens in the testes but it goes up the0:44:06 epididymis0:44:07 and actually there is something called0:44:10 seminal vesicle and0:44:11 it collects seminal fluids from there0:44:13 and it comes back down the urethra and0:44:15 then when ejaculation happens0:44:18 what then takes place is obviously the0:44:20 emission0:44:21 happens and so the the seminal fluids0:44:24 right the seminal fluids are collected0:44:26 from either the seminal vesicles and all0:44:29 the prostate that's0:44:30 opinion one so they say that0:44:34 is anything above the coccyx and what's0:44:36 parallel to it because0:44:38 the coccyx or algebra then up in the0:44:40 arabic language is where the0:44:42 backbone ends venus would be the0:44:46 between the the backbone and the ribs so0:44:49 that the backbone0:44:50 ends at the algebra venab or the coccyx0:44:53 so every part of the intersection there0:44:55 and that means to say from a human0:44:57 reproductive perspective that anything0:44:59 which is above the penis0:45:01 because the penis is parallel to from an0:45:04 anatomical perspective to the coccyx0:45:07 and we know that the seminal vesicles0:45:10 and0:45:10 uh we know that also the prostate is0:45:13 above the penis0:45:15 and so they say this is uh in fact0:45:16 maurice bukwa0:45:18 in his famously said this is a0:45:19 scientific miracle of the quran but0:45:21 we're not going down that route0:45:22 we're just saying this is one apologetic0:45:24 approach of answering the question0:45:27 and it may be satisfactory to some it0:45:29 may not be satisfactory to others0:45:30 and the language actually is0:45:33 facilitative of that0:45:35 now the second uh approach where we say0:45:37 that it's talking about the backbone of0:45:38 the man0:45:39 and the ribs of the woman they say this0:45:40 is talk about oogenesis0:45:42 because uh genesis happens in the0:45:44 ovaries of the woman0:45:46 and uh this is where the eggs are0:45:50 basically being formed0:45:52 and so that happens above the once again0:45:53 the vagina which is parallel to the0:45:55 coccyx0:45:56 and so the same kind of argument is made0:45:59 and they say so this is talking about0:46:00 the fluids0:46:01 because there's a fluid that carries0:46:04 either the egg or the sperm0:46:05 for both man and woman and so they say0:46:09 this is not talking about because the0:46:10 arabic word not far is not used here no0:46:12 not for cat cat is categorized0:46:16 as a minute quantity of liquid0:46:20 but the the phraseology used here is0:46:21 matt and defect a gushing secretive0:46:23 fluid0:46:24 so that someone would notice the0:46:26 differentiation0:46:27 between the two kinds of uh words that0:46:30 are used that's the first thing that0:46:31 that is said so yes this is one approach0:46:34 the other approach but one other0:46:35 approach which has not been highlighted0:46:37 as much which also has classical0:46:39 precedent0:46:40 and is mentioned uh by ibm0:46:43 in his tafsir and also by in his as one0:46:47 of the0:46:47 one of two main opinions that he0:46:48 mentions in this verse0:46:50 is that this is not talking about the0:46:53 secreted fluid at all let's talking0:46:54 about0:47:12 what is understood in the language here0:47:14 and the subtext0:47:16 is0:47:19 the human being is comes from being0:47:21 soluble and0:47:23 this is talking about pregnancy and0:47:24 birth and this would be completely0:47:26 uncontroversial because obviously the0:47:27 baby0:47:28 is in the intersection between the0:47:29 backbone and the ribs of the woman0:47:32 and so these are three very legitimate0:47:34 ways to to answer the question0:47:36 and three very acceptable things no one0:47:39 can really especially with the third0:47:40 opinion now0:47:41 i see no way i see0:47:45 no way anyone can say this against0:47:47 observable reality0:47:49 and therefore to try and use this verse0:47:51 to indicate that0:47:53 only sperm which by the way the the word0:47:56 sperm is not mentioned in the0:47:58 scientific senses in the quran the0:48:00 menowi which the arabs0:48:01 have now invented and put into0:48:03 biological textbooks is is created0:48:05 between the backbones and0:48:06 the ribs this is ignorance and it's not0:48:09 a comprehensive understanding of the0:48:10 quranic discourse0:48:17 today inshaallah we're going to be0:48:18 refuting debunking computing0:48:21 and rejecting a claim that is made by0:48:24 the anti-muslim0:48:26 or anti-islamic apologists which is0:48:28 actually quite a weak0:48:30 weaker than spiders web type of claim0:48:33 which is uh they say that the sky0:48:36 or the heaven or the universe is0:48:38 presented0:48:39 in the islamic cosmology in the quran in0:48:41 particular as a solid object0:48:44 and they to in order to kind of0:48:46 strengthen their case0:48:48 refer to two different verses of the0:48:50 quran one that is mentioned in chapter0:48:52 number 22 verse number 650:48:54 where allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says0:48:56 that he holds a she holds the heavens0:49:01 and the earth0:49:02 sorry and0:49:05 that he holds the heaven that it falls0:49:07 on the earth and they say look at this0:49:10 in order for that to be the case that0:49:12 the you know the heaven has to be0:49:14 a solid object and therefore the0:49:15 presentation of the quran is that the0:49:18 heaven0:49:18 is a solid object and the other verse0:49:20 that they mentioned is in chapter number0:49:21 two0:49:22 chapter number 35 verse number 41 where0:49:25 allah says0:49:26 uh that he yumsik is0:49:31 that he holds the heavens and the earth0:49:33 that they would fall out of their place0:49:34 or they will come out of their place or0:49:35 that they will be moved out of their0:49:36 place0:49:38 and from from the word zele zero means0:49:40 like zoel something to be moved out of0:49:41 his place or to move0:49:43 move away in general so these are the0:49:45 two0:49:46 verses that they do is to shared with or0:49:48 they try and evidence0:49:49 to suggest that the quran's picture the0:49:51 cosmological picture0:49:53 is one which is uh that the heaven or0:49:55 the universe is a solid object0:49:58 now this is uh false for two reasons and0:50:00 the second of which i think really is an0:50:01 undercutter by the way0:50:02 um so i don't want to hear this again i0:50:04 mean only an embarrassed person after0:50:07 hearing the second of my sec of two or0:50:09 three points i'm gonna make0:50:10 would dare to challenge this point it's0:50:12 just so embarrassing and to be honest0:50:14 the first point is this sometimes allah0:50:17 subhanahu wa ta'ala0:50:19 when he refers to something as a whole0:50:22 he can refer to a part0:50:23 meaning the whole and this is part of0:50:25 the kind of phraseological0:50:27 myriological um terminological0:50:30 usages of the quran so myriology is the0:50:32 parts of whole and0:50:34 po holes and parts allah for example in0:50:37 the quran says0:50:38 he mentions chapter 710:50:46 that the people of noah that they put0:50:48 their asa0:50:50 their name that they put their fingers0:50:51 in their is0:50:53 now really did they put their entire0:50:54 look at the size of the finger you put0:50:56 the entire kiss impossible really to put0:50:58 the entire finger in the ear0:50:59 so what is intended here is that banan0:51:02 the the enamel0:51:04 the enamel the the finger tip and you0:51:06 put it in the air0:51:07 but here you see the fingertip which are0:51:09 referred to in arabic is enamel0:51:11 are not this is he didn't say that he0:51:14 said they put their ass0:51:16 even though the enamel the fingertip is0:51:18 that which is there likewise now with0:51:19 this0:51:20 when allah says it doesn't necessarily0:51:24 have to mean0:51:25 everything in the uh heaven it could0:51:28 mean0:51:29 he says in his tafsir that is referring0:51:32 to certain things like meteor0:51:34 is referring to snow which comes from0:51:36 above and below it's referring to0:51:37 rain it's referring to this referring to0:51:39 that all of these things that are0:51:41 above us0:51:44 from our anthropological0:51:46 phenomenological perspective0:51:47 fall on us yes what's the problem and0:51:50 this is a linguistically acceptable for0:51:52 the reasons aforementioned0:51:53 understanding of the verse but let's0:51:55 move a little bit further0:51:57 if really and this is the undercutter0:51:59 here wait for it wait for it0:52:01 if really the quran's picture of the0:52:04 heaven the sama0:52:06 is that of a solid object my question to0:52:08 you is this0:52:10 how could the prophet muhammad do is0:52:12 through a solid object0:52:13 see how embarrassing that must i mean as0:52:15 i say this to you now0:52:16 how embarrassed you feel as the0:52:18 anti-islamic apologist0:52:20 very embarrassing isn't it and the quran0:52:22 even says0:52:23 it's mentioned in chapter number six you0:52:25 know verse 1250:52:27 he even says he's talking about0:52:42 as if he is ascending in the heaven how0:52:46 is this kendama conceivable if the sort0:52:48 of the heaven0:52:49 is a solid object i rest my case ladies0:52:51 and gentlemen well0:52:52 i was there i rest my case yanny sorry0:52:54 to say this should never be heard again0:52:56 now it's so embarrassing0:52:58 they are saying that the quran says that0:52:59 the heaven is a solid object0:53:01 when one of the most uh central things0:53:04 in the prophet seerah0:53:06 biography is that he done israel0:53:10 and he done israel he went up the heaven0:53:14 how can you go up to heaven when it's a0:53:15 solid object come on please0:53:17 really really these people do not employ0:53:20 critical reasoning when they're dealing0:53:22 with the quran now0:53:24 another ishq that's somewhat a0:53:25 problematized thing that someone can say0:53:27 is that how come now0:53:28 if we take on face value and we're not0:53:30 saying it's a part of the heaven that0:53:31 falls0:53:32 can we still understand it to mean that0:53:35 the heaven is some kind of the fabric of0:53:36 space0:53:37 is going to implode upon itself was0:53:39 going to create a black hole or0:53:40 something like that0:53:41 and that it would appear to us as if it0:53:42 was falling if that is the case0:53:44 god knows best the k fear or the howness0:53:47 of how such0:53:49 um how such a thing would take place and0:53:51 how it would look from our perspective0:53:53 if it was in this for example initial0:53:55 phases or0:53:56 if it was in this end phases is0:53:58 something we cannot speculate on0:54:00 but we should remember that allah when0:54:02 he's speaking to the human being0:54:03 he is speaking to him in his own0:54:06 anthropo0:54:07 and anthropocentric phenomenological0:54:10 perspective0:54:11 and that means from his his perspectival0:54:13 is from his0:54:14 perspective and i i rest my case0:54:17 i don't think there's anything more to0:54:18 be said about this was0:54:24 insha'allah we're going to be talking0:54:25 about a hadith which0:54:27 is uh all over the anti-islamic0:54:31 apologetics type websites and it's in0:54:33 their publications and their videos0:54:35 online0:54:35 which is a hadith which says that the0:54:37 prophet muhammad0:54:39 said0:54:47 that whoever wakes up and consumes seven0:54:50 dates of ajwa kind0:54:52 that poison will not afflict him and0:54:54 sehar which is magic0:54:55 will not afflict him and they say this0:54:57 is an unscientific type of hadith0:54:59 because they say how could it be the0:55:01 case when the chemical0:55:03 agents or properties within the within0:55:04 the dates there's nothing within them0:55:07 that would indicate to us from a0:55:08 scientific perspective0:55:10 that they could be um immunizing to0:55:13 things0:55:13 uh as as chemically destructive0:55:16 as uh poison so why how can you0:55:19 understand this hadith0:55:20 and this doesn't this highly fly in the0:55:21 face of 21st century scientific0:55:23 discovery0:55:24 now first in order to answer this0:55:26 question let's take a look at what some0:55:27 of the0:55:28 commentators of this hadith of four0:55:30 times have mentioned so for example0:55:33 who is a scholar of the 4th century dai0:55:35 3880:55:36 ah he says actually it's not because of0:55:39 a specific property within the dates0:55:42 he says this there's nothing within the0:55:44 date that actually has that0:55:47 immunizing capacity it says0:55:51 it's not because of a specific0:55:53 characteristic or attribute today0:55:55 where innama is because of the da'wah of0:55:57 the prophet muhammad or the0:55:59 the blessings of the tao of the prophet0:56:01 muhammad0:56:02 and many of the scholars have uh have0:56:05 looked at this hadith in this kind of0:56:07 way0:56:07 ibn karim said no it's for a special0:56:09 time in a special place and it's not0:56:11 applicable to us0:56:13 can only be seen to be applicable to us0:56:16 if it goes through the experimental0:56:17 method0:56:18 and succeeds in the sense that we can0:56:20 actually prove0:56:21 that the dates are in fact0:56:25 in line immunizing to poison and this0:56:28 shows us that the0:56:29 the the commentators of hadith had a0:56:31 very sober approach0:56:33 to science and hadith and science and0:56:36 quran0:56:37 they understood that sometimes these are0:56:39 two separate areas0:56:41 of uh jurisdiction if you like and0:56:43 sometimes they have an overlap0:56:45 now before we continue with this hadith0:56:48 the0:56:49 opinion of which says it's not a0:56:51 specific property0:56:53 in the date seems to be well represented0:56:55 if we look at other hadith because0:56:56 there's another hadith which the prophet0:56:58 muhammad he told us0:57:00 in the what you call the evening0:57:02 supplications of0:57:04 which we should all be making by the way0:57:08 beautiful supplications we should be0:57:09 making in the morning and the evening0:57:11 that will cause protection for us and so0:57:13 on one of these words of protection0:57:16 is uh it is0:57:22 that i seek refuge with the perfect0:57:24 words of god0:57:25 from the evil from which he created and0:57:28 the prophet muhammad he said about this0:57:31 he said whoever says this0:57:34 he said that whoever says this nothing0:57:36 will afflict him0:57:38 or no harm will afflict him now wait a0:57:39 minute if0:57:41 the day hadith was intended to be an0:57:44 immunization a physical or chemical0:57:47 immunization then how comes we find0:57:50 similar or even more generic even more0:57:53 generic types of terminology0:57:55 used in other hadith if you think about0:57:57 this this cannot mean0:58:00 it's a physical thing because this is a0:58:02 supplication0:58:03 which doesn't necessitate any0:58:04 consumption of anything physical0:58:06 at all so this hadith of the dates0:58:10 from that perspective it follows that it0:58:13 wouldn't be because of the0:58:14 properties of the date but it's because0:58:17 of0:58:18 the alibaba that all the worship of0:58:20 doing0:58:21 eating seven dates so it's a worship0:58:22 just like drinking zamzam water as a0:58:24 is a worship just like doing aldo is a0:58:26 worship just like making dua is a0:58:28 worship0:58:29 and yes we believe if you do that0:58:30 particular worship0:58:32 allah will protect you yes from0:58:36 poison and yes from yes he will0:58:39 unless there is a man and the moana or0:58:42 the preventers0:58:43 can be many like for example to give you0:58:46 an example0:58:48 there is a hadith which says that if you0:58:50 make dua0:58:51 if you supplicate to god but then your0:58:53 actions0:58:54 your income and your consumption0:58:58 is all haram it's all impermissible0:59:01 then how can it be that your0:59:04 supplication will be0:59:05 accepted even though the quran says0:59:13 that if my slave asks me about me then0:59:15 say i am near0:59:17 then i am there i answer the call0:59:20 of the caller when he calls so allah is0:59:23 telling us he's going to answer0:59:25 but in other parts of the sunnah in the0:59:27 quran he indicates to us0:59:29 that actually there are moana to dua0:59:31 which are for example if you have haram0:59:33 income if you have haram if you commit0:59:35 sins and so on and so forth0:59:37 thus the same kind of principle can be0:59:38 understood with this hadith of the dates0:59:41 which is that in general yes you eat the0:59:43 seven dates0:59:44 and yes you will be protected and0:59:47 immunized from these things0:59:48 by allah's will so long as there's no0:59:50 manner so long as there's no preventer0:59:52 in much the same way0:59:53 as you ask allah for whatever you like0:59:55 so long as it's halal0:59:57 and it's not doing haram and allah will1:00:00 answer you so long as there's no manna1:00:02 there's no preventer and that's1:00:04 impossible to disprove1:00:05 from a scientific perspective and i hope1:00:07 that answers the question wasallam1:00:09 alaikum1:00:10 was allah1:00:15 today insha'allah we're going to be1:00:16 talking about one of the most species1:00:18 claims that has come out of this science1:00:20 narrative science era narrative1:00:22 which is this claim that there's a1:00:23 hadith of the prophet which supposedly1:00:25 says that the earth is on the back of a1:00:27 whale and the1:00:28 whalers on the back of her is balancing1:00:30 on some kind of a rock or something to1:00:32 this effect1:00:33 and this hadith is fabricated i mean i1:00:36 don't want to waste too much time with1:00:37 this video and just to be honest with1:00:38 you1:00:38 this hadith is absolutely weak weak and1:00:42 it's sanad1:00:42 it's chained and weak in its content1:00:45 it's1:00:46 uh what it's saying if you look at the1:00:48 senate let's start with that the chain1:00:50 of narration we'll know that1:00:52 uh it has in abdullah bin waheb it has1:00:54 in the abdullah1:01:00 and all of those individuals all of them1:01:01 without exception are weak narrators1:01:04 and in fact even the cathedral mentions1:01:05 in his video at the beginning and the1:01:07 end1:01:08 that this is a fabrication that is taken1:01:10 from the israelites from the1:01:12 uh kind of tales of the uh1:01:15 judo christian uh tradition or those1:01:17 individuals from that tradition1:01:19 so this is something which is absolutely1:01:20 fabricated it's1:01:22 weak in in chain is weak in narration1:01:26 it's weak in content1:01:27 because no doubt this is some kind of a1:01:28 mythological hadith but why can't you1:01:30 find something like this in the quran1:01:32 this is1:01:32 really interesting i mean it's so easy1:01:34 for everybody i think1:01:36 that that accesses this kind of hadith1:01:39 to know that this is absolutely1:01:41 unscientific and whatever you want to1:01:43 say about this uh1:01:45 you can't really it's indefensible1:01:46 really this the meton the content of1:01:48 this hadith1:01:49 and why can't we find something like1:01:51 that so glaringly obviously1:01:53 against the observable reality in the1:01:56 quran and the authentic sunnah1:01:57 why do people have to resort to getting1:01:59 something which is fabricated in order1:02:01 to make a case against islam1:02:04 do you think and this is another issue1:02:05 when you look at one of the compendious1:02:07 uh exegetical works of tabari and other1:02:10 individuals1:02:11 where they actually intentionally pour1:02:13 all the material in there including the1:02:14 weak and fabricated material1:02:16 so that the scholar who is trained and1:02:18 able to distinguish between the weak1:02:20 and the fabricated narrations on the one1:02:22 hand the matruk the moldova1:02:25 and so on these kinds of varying levels1:02:28 of inauthenticity1:02:29 and they also put in there the authentic1:02:32 hadith do you think that as an1:02:34 unqualified1:02:35 personnel that you are the detractor of1:02:36 islam coming into some tafsir just1:02:38 because it's narrated from that tafsir1:02:40 that has somehow become authentic no1:02:43 this is not how it works and this is why1:02:45 the1:02:45 when the untrained hand reaches into the1:02:48 scholarly works of the muslims this is1:02:50 the kind of blunders that they make but1:02:52 in fact what they show1:02:53 is that they have to resort desperately1:02:55 resort1:02:56 to to these kind of fabricated1:02:58 narrations that nobody1:03:00 accepts is absolutely embarrassing1:03:02 narration1:03:03 but why can't you find something so1:03:05 glaringly1:03:06 against the observable reality as this1:03:08 there's nothing that you'll find in the1:03:10 quran and once again the authentic1:03:11 sunnah1:03:12 that is like that but nice try no1:03:23 we're going to be talking about a1:03:24 contention a misconception a misnomer1:03:26 something which you'll find in some of1:03:27 the anti-islamic websites or1:03:30 in anti-muslim or anti-islamic1:03:32 apologetics1:03:33 the claim that look your religion they1:03:35 say is a religion which says that you1:03:37 have to go1:03:38 and drink the urine of camels1:03:41 and the milk and urine of camels what1:03:43 kind of medieval practice is this1:03:45 we have come a long way in by way of1:03:48 pharmacology1:03:49 and medicine and look your religion1:03:50 wants to bring us back1:03:52 your religion wants to bring us back to1:03:55 the1:03:55 dark ages this is1:03:59 what they claim but is this a true claim1:04:01 and what are they basing this claim on1:04:03 they're basing this claim1:04:04 on a hadith where some individuals came1:04:07 to the prophet muhammad1:04:09 having some kind of a disease and1:04:12 complaining of severe pain1:04:13 and torment from that disease and they1:04:15 came to him and he advised them1:04:17 to go and drink the camel the urine of1:04:19 the camel and drink the milk of the1:04:20 camel1:04:21 now one might argue that this is1:04:22 completely you know unscientific1:04:25 and this why would he do such a thing1:04:27 why would the prophet muhammad1:04:28 do such a thing is there any kind of1:04:30 scientific backing for this at all1:04:32 well first and foremost we need to1:04:33 understand that this hadith is not ham1:04:35 it's haas it's not general but specific1:04:39 it was specific to those people in that1:04:41 time in that place1:04:42 i mean if the prophet muhammad in this1:04:46 time in the 21st century1:04:47 i'm pretty certain that he would have1:04:49 referred those individuals to the1:04:50 hospitals1:04:51 or to the pharmacies but you have to1:04:53 remember that this was1:04:55 situation specific so those individuals1:04:57 that came there1:04:58 the question is what might they have had1:05:01 what kind of conditions might they have1:05:03 had no we can speculate we can say that1:05:04 they might have had edema or some kind1:05:06 of fluid buildup in the stomach and in1:05:07 the liver1:05:08 we can we can make those things because1:05:10 camel urine1:05:11 is rich in potassium potassium um and1:05:14 it's also rich in1:05:15 albumin and quite frankly urine is1:05:18 something which we find in some1:05:19 medication1:05:20 i mean pre-marine is a medication1:05:24 which takes in which takes in as part of1:05:26 its uh1:05:28 one of the components of this medication1:05:29 is the urine of mare1:05:31 pregnant actually pregnant male urine so1:05:34 this is not a foreign concept of1:05:36 using urine for medications even today1:05:39 in the 21st century1:05:41 but it's not to say that we as muslims1:05:43 when we're not suffering from anything1:05:44 and we have all of the facilitation by1:05:47 way of medical advancement in 21st1:05:49 century1:05:50 should be going and drinking camel urine1:05:52 and going to drink1:05:53 the urine uh sorry the milk of the camel1:05:56 as a way to try and1:05:58 alleviate our illnesses and the evidence1:06:00 of this is so1:06:01 so clear in the quran1:06:05 go and ask the people of specialism if1:06:06 you don't know the quran says1:06:08 thereby giving authority to doctors the1:06:11 prophet muhammad1:06:12 tells us to go to those reputable1:06:15 doctors1:06:16 and he even says those1:06:20 whoever tries to be a doctor and is not1:06:24 someone1:06:24 who is known in medicine1:06:28 or as a practitioner of medicine and1:06:29 he's and he harms somebody or kill1:06:31 someone1:06:32 then he will be punished for so doing so1:06:35 there is clear1:06:36 direction redirection from the islamic1:06:38 uh paradigm1:06:39 of move of of going to those specialists1:06:42 those medical specialists for our needs1:06:44 so no this is not a a general uh1:06:48 kind of directive from the prophet or1:06:50 prescription of the prophet1:06:52 in fact even the medieval scholars like1:06:54 him jose make this very clear in their1:06:56 tracts1:06:56 and their kutub and their books about1:06:59 the prophetic medicine and so on and so1:07:00 that this is1:07:01 a specific kind of remedy for a specific1:07:04 kind of people in a specific kind of1:07:06 context1:07:07 and yes we can try and speculate as to1:07:10 what these individuals may have had and1:07:12 what that prescription that so-called1:07:14 if you want to pull it there's a1:07:15 prescription would have had uh1:07:17 in by way of relieving effect to those1:07:19 individuals so1:07:21 really there's no there's no way you can1:07:23 go1:07:24 in this criticism because what can you1:07:25 say that potassium and albumin1:07:28 and or calcium whatever it is in the1:07:30 cocktail of prescriptions that i promise1:07:31 asylum told those individuals would have1:07:33 had no1:07:34 relieving effect for absolutely any1:07:36 disease that can1:07:37 uh come in you can't make that claim1:07:38 unfortunately you'd have to be making1:07:40 that claim1:07:41 you'd have to say for you to have a kind1:07:43 of valid scientific argument here if you1:07:45 want to call it that1:07:46 you'd have to say that this cocktail of1:07:48 prescriptions that the prophet gave to1:07:49 those individuals1:07:50 would have been useless in any disease1:07:53 that those individuals would have had1:07:55 and that's an impossible claim because1:07:56 we know that there are nutrients1:07:57 they're nutrient rich those things that1:07:59 cocktail of uh1:08:00 things that we've just talked about the1:08:02 camel urine and the milk has potassium1:08:04 albumin and other things1:08:05 so unless you want to be brave enough to1:08:08 make a claim like that which can be1:08:09 easily refuted1:08:10 and has been really if you think about1:08:12 what i've just said then i would say1:08:13 stop being immature if urine is part of1:08:17 the drugs that we take consume in the1:08:18 21st century this is not a way of1:08:20 disproving the prophethood of prophet1:08:21 muhammad1:08:22 really what this is is a cheap way of1:08:24 trying to mock the religion of islam1:08:26 and the prophet of islam but the joke is1:08:28 on you1:08:29 oh detractor because the the the truth1:08:31 of the matter the reality of the1:08:32 situation1:08:33 is that the prophet and islam gives us1:08:35 clear directives1:08:37 to go to those who are specialists in1:08:39 the field including of course1:08:40 medical professionals1:08:47 today inshallah we're going to be1:08:48 discussing the issue of geocentrism1:08:51 in the quran or the supposed geocentrism1:08:54 that the detractors had1:08:55 supposedly found in the quran all over1:08:57 the verses in the quran1:08:59 that is so glaringly obvious for us that1:09:02 we have not been able to detect it1:09:04 but let's take a look at this claim and1:09:05 see how honest it is1:09:07 whether it's actually isageuitical or1:09:09 exegetical in nature1:09:10 what is the claim the claim is that in1:09:13 the quran in those verses where1:09:15 the orbits of the sun and the moon are1:09:17 mentioned1:09:18 that this indicates to us at least1:09:21 uh it implies to us maybe in implicit1:09:23 reference1:09:24 or inference that the sun is going1:09:27 around the earth this is their claim1:09:29 so what kind of verses do they use1:09:31 before i get to what kind of verses1:09:33 they use we should point to the fact1:09:36 that we've done1:09:36 an entire video on the hadith of1:09:39 prostration of abu dhabi1:09:41 and this can be found in the description1:09:43 box below1:09:44 and you should be looking at inshallah1:09:46 also if you have your time uh all the1:09:47 other videos we've done in this series1:09:49 because potentially we have other1:09:51 answers because a lot of these videos1:09:52 are actually intertwined in terms of the1:09:54 themes and content of these videos so1:09:56 let's move on and talk about1:09:58 where in fact they're talking about this1:10:00 uh1:10:01 these um geocentric references in the1:10:03 quran1:10:04 so they'll they'll mention for example1:10:06 chapter number 39 verse number 5.1:10:15 he rolls the day into the night and he1:10:17 rolls the night into the day1:10:18 and he has made the sun move subservient1:10:20 for you and each of them are running in1:10:22 an obey1:10:23 so does this mean to say from this verse1:10:26 or other verses but let's go with this1:10:28 verse first that the sun is going around1:10:31 the earth no there is no such indication1:10:32 at all the only way1:10:35 in this verse and we'll see in other1:10:36 verses that they quote that you can come1:10:38 to the conclusion that is saying1:10:40 that the sun is going around the earth1:10:42 is if you impose you1:10:44 superimpose that understanding you have1:10:47 already had a preconceived understanding1:10:48 of geocentrism in the quran1:10:50 and now you are trying to force that1:10:52 interpretation onto the quran you will1:10:54 not find quite frankly1:10:55 you will not find quite frankly any1:10:58 verse in the quran1:10:59 which simply states the sun goes around1:11:01 the earth and how easy1:11:02 would it have been for such a verse to1:11:04 be there look at surah1:11:06 shams surah champs chapter number 91 of1:11:08 the quran1:11:09 where shems1:11:25 as the moon follows the sun now does1:11:27 this mean it's following in a1:11:29 in a geocentric orbit no it doesn't have1:11:30 to mean that because in1:11:32 islamic cosmology we know that the the1:11:35 day follows the night1:11:36 and the night follows the day and that's1:11:37 the anthropocentric1:11:39 phenomenological perspective we see that1:11:41 the night1:11:42 these are sequences that we see from our1:11:45 perspective1:11:46 but actually quite frankly the sun the1:11:48 moon does actually follow the sun1:11:50 i mean a lot of these individuals have1:11:52 not even touched have not even1:11:54 touched the basics of cosmology1:11:58 uh i mean i don't know it's very1:12:00 surprising that they're making all these1:12:01 scientific claims and they don't realize1:12:02 that the sun is not just stationary it's1:12:05 revolving around its own axis and it's1:12:07 running1:12:08 through the fabric of space taking with1:12:10 it all of those1:12:11 planets that are around it and of course1:12:13 all the moons that exist within the1:12:14 solar system as well so1:12:16 in in reality the the moon is actually1:12:18 following the sun1:12:19 and also from our perspective the moon1:12:21 is following the sun look at the beauty1:12:24 and the brevity and the conciseness1:12:27 of the quranic expression such that an1:12:29 individual doesn't have to1:12:31 do a hermeneutical acrobatics or1:12:33 habitual gymnastics in order to come to1:12:34 a conclusion like this1:12:36 so we're not trying to force things into1:12:38 the book they also mentioned chapter1:12:39 number 21 verse number 331:12:42 where it says that yes behind the sun1:12:45 and the moon it says that all of it is1:12:46 in a phallic1:12:47 yes but that's true the sun does have a1:12:51 phallic1:12:51 the moon does have a phallic how is that1:12:54 wrong from a heliocentric perspective1:12:56 once again the argument is so lacking1:12:59 quite frankly so lacking is actually1:13:01 i was contemplating whether or not to1:13:03 dignify this with a response1:13:06 i really was because it's so weak1:13:10 now what is the strongest part of their1:13:11 argument let me discuss it with you1:13:13 the strongest part of their argument1:13:15 which is not strong at all but let's1:13:17 just go with it1:13:18 it's those parts of the argument where1:13:20 they mention for example1:13:21 the kisla or the story of ibrahim1:13:23 alaihissalam and his interaction with1:13:25 which is in chapter number two verse1:13:26 number 2581:13:28 where where allah narrates that ibrahim1:13:37 the sun from the east so bring it from1:13:39 the west and so this nimrod this king1:13:41 that he was having a conversation with1:13:43 the interlocutor1:13:44 was not able to do so and then he was1:13:46 dumbfounded and bedazzled1:13:49 and he realized you know he was1:13:50 dumbstruck if you want to call it that1:13:51 whatever it may be1:13:54 the one who just believed let's say look1:13:56 it's saying here from the east and from1:13:57 the west and therefore1:13:59 the assumption is a stationary earth and1:14:01 that the sun is going around the earth1:14:03 really because let's look at chapter1:14:05 number 18 verse number 17.1:14:08 while allah says1:14:18 that you see that when those individuals1:14:21 are in the cave you see the sun1:14:24 when it has rise it goes to the left of1:14:27 them1:14:28 and when it sets it goes to the right of1:14:30 them1:14:35 when it's uh setting it's going at the1:14:37 left so it's the right one1:14:39 when it's rising and the left one is1:14:41 setting now what is right and left1:14:43 take about this for a second right and1:14:45 left will be1:14:46 absolutely useless references unless1:14:48 there is a point of reference1:14:50 what do you mean by that even on a1:14:52 stationary earth1:14:53 model or a stationary stationary flat1:14:56 earth or stationary round earth whatever1:14:58 you want to say1:14:59 the the the right and left have no1:15:02 meaning1:15:03 unless we're talking about a specific1:15:06 reference point1:15:07 and if the quran is talking about the1:15:10 right and left of them1:15:11 yes then this is perspectival1:15:15 there's no doubt about that then it has1:15:17 to be through the perspective1:15:18 of those individuals there and what in1:15:20 what perspective is it it's the1:15:22 anthropocentric phenomenological1:15:23 perspective1:15:24 it has to be like that otherwise it1:15:25 wouldn't make sense it would be1:15:26 meaningless statements1:15:27 from the left and the right because1:15:31 yeah i mean if you don't understand this1:15:33 this shows illiteracy1:15:35 intellectual illiteracy intellectual1:15:39 uh foolishness1:15:42 clear clearly is from the1:15:44 anthropocentric perspective from the1:15:46 human perspective as a reference point1:15:48 so if you look at all of those verses in1:15:50 the quran something quite interesting1:15:51 for your information1:15:53 now if you look at chapter number 361:15:55 verse number 40. and that's actually1:15:57 funny enough1:15:58 funny enough and interestingly enough1:15:59 that's something they also mentioned1:16:01 chapter number 36 number 40 uh1:16:06 before and even the literalists are1:16:09 literally scholars like1:16:10 you want to call him a militarist or1:16:11 whatever you want to call him1:16:14 uh he looked at this verse and he says1:16:16 it starts from1:16:17 i think it was verse number 24 or1:16:19 something like this when allah says1:16:23 that a a sign for them is the1:16:27 the dead earth so he moves from the1:16:29 earth and then he goes to the sun1:16:32 where shams1:16:41 he makes the claim that and1:16:43 linguistically this is possible linguist1:16:45 is absolutely possible1:16:46 it's conjunctive so it could absolutely1:16:49 be the case1:16:51 that the the earth the sun and the moon1:16:52 all of them are in orbit1:16:54 and that is linguistically possible1:16:55 we're not going to say just men1:16:57 like absolutely this is the case but1:16:59 it's a possibility1:17:00 and from all of those perspectives and1:17:02 more we show that the quran is a1:17:04 timeless book1:17:04 with multi-layered facilitation meaning1:17:07 that if someone from the 7th century1:17:09 were to look at it1:17:10 and approach it with their naturalistic1:17:13 understanding and outlook1:17:14 they would not be confused and one when1:17:17 someone from our1:17:18 from from our century 21st century looks1:17:20 at it we would not be confused and we1:17:22 don't even find it quite frankly against1:17:24 the cosmology of1:17:25 uh of today or the popular cosmologies1:17:27 of today so from all of those1:17:28 perspectives and more1:17:30 it would seem that they are clutching at1:17:31 straws trying their best1:17:33 really trying their best to force an eye1:17:36 to jesus of the quran1:17:38 with their superimpositions and their1:17:40 contriving1:17:41 the pretextual contriving1:17:45 into the verses of the quran and i would1:17:47 say that this is a fool's attempt1:17:48 and it has been disproven and debunked1:17:51 and it should be1:17:52 left in the dustbin of history and i1:17:55 hope this answers the question1:18:04 we're going to be talking about another1:18:05 claim that is made by the proponents of1:18:07 scientific miracles1:18:09 and we're not saying by the way that all1:18:10 of their claims are false we're saying1:18:12 that1:18:12 the method itself has limitations and1:18:14 we've discussed this the limitations1:18:16 of the methods in the in the video about1:18:19 big bang and there will be a discussion1:18:21 another video about the multilayered1:18:23 approach1:18:24 which is we believe a more sophisticated1:18:26 approach to dealing with naturalistic1:18:27 verses in the quran1:18:29 but in terms of this now the uh the1:18:32 claim that is usually made1:18:33 when trying to prove islam is scientific1:18:36 is a claim1:18:37 in chapter number 79 verse number1:18:43 and they said or they they translate1:18:44 this to mean and the earth we have made1:18:47 it into an ostrich eric egg1:18:49 now this is a false translation with all1:18:51 due respect to all of those who are1:18:53 making this or saying this1:18:54 it's a false translation which is why to1:18:56 my knowledge i don't think anybody has1:18:58 ever translated that into the english1:18:59 language1:19:00 in this way and not only this but we1:19:03 would see that1:19:04 all of the exegetes are full time in the1:19:06 medieval period1:19:07 practically all of them or none of them1:19:09 had said anything like this1:19:11 so this is probably one of the worst1:19:13 examples with all due respect once again1:19:15 of uh distortion and superimposition and1:19:17 contriving1:19:18 meanings into the verse which are not1:19:20 actually there in any way shape or form1:19:22 form so what does this verse actually1:19:24 mean it means that allah subhanahu wa1:19:26 ta'ala has smoothed over the earth1:19:29 in other words he hasn't made it1:19:31 craterous in such a way as the moon is1:19:33 for example we can move around the earth1:19:34 and there are flat surfaces all over the1:19:37 earth now1:19:38 why do these individuals or what1:19:40 potential tenuous link1:19:42 could individuals make between an1:19:44 ostrich egg1:19:45 and this verse well an ostrich egg is1:19:48 referred1:19:48 not even the ostrich by the way sorry1:19:51 the place where in which and this is the1:19:53 uh degree of uh tenuousness uh1:19:57 in this in this attempt here the place1:19:59 where in which1:20:00 the ostrich lays this egg is called a1:20:03 mud1:20:04 this is called that not not the ostrich1:20:07 egg the bella1:20:08 itself of the nana not the ostrich egg1:20:11 itself1:20:12 but the place in which the ostrich puts1:20:15 this egg1:20:15 is called the mud now this isn't the1:20:17 noun but this verb1:20:19 in the sorry this verse in the in this1:20:22 in the area1:20:22 is not mentioning a noun so how can you1:20:24 translate it as a noun1:20:25 because the verse is a verb1:20:29 to it is1:20:35 is feminine in the arabic language1:20:39 so allah has smoothed over and he's kind1:20:42 of removed the creators or has made it1:20:43 not remove the creators it hasn't made1:20:45 it craterus in such the same way as1:20:46 maybe the moon is1:20:48 or has put so many mountains that would1:20:50 find difficulty to move around1:20:52 in the environment this is what is1:20:54 practically all the mufassiron have said1:20:56 from a tabari1:21:00 i haven't seen anybody quite frankly who1:21:02 has understood this meaning1:21:04 to mean that it's a place where the1:21:06 where the air oh sorry the1:21:07 the earth is made into an egg now this1:21:09 doesn't mean that the earth is1:21:10 projected in the quran as uh being flat1:21:13 as we've said before there's there is1:21:15 precedent1:21:16 using verses from the quran using verses1:21:19 from the quran1:21:20 that indicate the rotinity of the1:21:21 rotundity sorry all the roundness of the1:21:23 earth and1:21:24 we have actually an entire video which1:21:26 you can see in the description box which1:21:28 elaborates upon them1:21:29 but briefly i'll just mention that this1:21:31 is chapter number 39 verse number five1:21:33 you call it in the heart we call in1:21:37 he rose the night into the day and he1:21:39 rose the day into the night so1:21:41 here comes from the arabic word quran1:21:43 which means bol uh and1:21:45 this is what even hasan uh in his book1:21:48 he mentions he mentions that this and by1:21:50 the way he was like fourth century or1:21:52 fifth century1:21:53 so he is a medieval scholar that came1:21:55 before1:21:56 you know the scientific revolutions and1:21:58 he said he used this verse1:21:59 he used this verse in surah zumar1:22:02 chapter number 39 verse number 51:22:04 to indicate that the earth is round and1:22:06 this is not just him1:22:07 we talked about ibn tamiya mentioning1:22:09 tabais like even moneta1:22:11 who say that the earth is round and in1:22:13 fact he says it's ishmael it's a1:22:15 consensus1:22:15 not only this but even josie who we1:22:17 mentioned in the previous video about1:22:19 the big bang1:22:20 ibn jose also mentions of the authority1:22:23 of the earth1:22:24 many scholars does and he's1:22:27 many other people do and they they they1:22:30 can do this1:22:30 like i've just mentioned with him hasan1:22:32 by looking at verses of the quran which1:22:34 linguistically indicate the rotundity of1:22:36 the earth now having said this1:22:39 okay we've said that there's this1:22:40 difference of opinion and we're not1:22:41 saying that no one in islamic history1:22:43 has ever said that the earth is flat1:22:44 and there have been individuals that1:22:45 have tried to use the quran to indicate1:22:47 the flatness of the earth1:22:48 that might be true as well but we always1:22:51 say1:22:52 that is definitely not the only1:22:53 interpretation and islam is quite unique1:22:56 quite frankly in that1:22:58 it has exegetes who use verses from it1:23:02 to indicate the alternative of the earth1:23:04 whereas you'll find1:23:05 uh in in other scriptures like for1:23:07 example the old testament1:23:08 uh and the new testament the patristic1:23:11 scholarship all the way up to probably1:23:12 uh augustine that have done exit jesus1:23:15 of the bible on these matters1:23:17 none of them uh probably up until the1:23:19 time of augustine1:23:20 believed that the earth was round anyway1:23:22 and those who did1:23:24 never use verses from the bible1:23:25 including that tenuous verse in1:23:27 uh the book of isaiah chapter number 401:23:30 where it says the circle of the earth1:23:31 no one understood the circle of the1:23:32 earth as meaning the ball of the earth1:23:34 and therefore no one used the bible1:23:37 in uh in in patricia's scholarship as we1:23:39 see as we can see1:23:40 by looking at all of the exegesis uh in1:23:43 the first 300 years of christianity1:23:45 using the bible or even the the midrash1:23:48 the uh the the the jewish texts which1:23:51 are1:23:52 which were written quite astonishingly1:23:54 and interestingly enough1:23:55 sometimes after the patristic uh texts1:23:57 were executed1:24:00 they don't use the biblical verses to1:24:02 indicate the rotundity of the earth or1:24:03 the spherical nature of the earth1:24:04 if they do believe it it might be due to1:24:06 the fact they they had greek influence1:24:09 and this tenuous verse the circle of the1:24:11 earth does not1:24:12 and has not meant for the uh uh1:24:15 the authors of uh midrash meaning the1:24:18 uh the the the extra jesus of the old1:24:20 testament to mean1:24:21 rotunda and there's no scholar that has1:24:24 ever used in the first 300 years of1:24:26 christianity or even in the midrash1:24:28 any verse to indicate that the earth is1:24:31 round in the bible well there have been1:24:33 uh scholars who have used verses from1:24:35 the quran1:24:36 very early scholars to indicate that the1:24:38 earth is round1:24:40 now why am i saying this because i'm1:24:42 offering a solution1:24:43 but what i don't what we can't endorse1:24:46 with all due respect1:24:47 is superimpositions onto the sex i1:24:49 actually believe a retraction is1:24:50 necessary here1:24:51 because there is no precedent for this1:24:54 there's no precedent for anyone saying1:24:55 that this verse means and we have made1:24:57 the earth ostrich1:24:58 egged no one has said that or would you1:25:00 respect and therefore1:25:01 we have to be humble and we have to be1:25:03 sincere and we have to make a retraction1:25:05 here1:25:06 because this is the quran we're talking1:25:08 about and allah says1:25:12 he mentions many things and of the worst1:25:15 things that you can do and he says1:25:16 at the end of the verse1:25:19 that you say about allah which you don't1:25:20 know and so this is not what allah has1:25:23 intended because it's not1:25:25 facilitated by the language and there1:25:27 should be a healthy retraction1:25:28 by those proponents of the scientific1:25:30 miracle narrative1:25:31 who have said this um who have said this1:25:34 ostrich1:25:35 there should be a retraction because we1:25:36 can't be demanding from all of those1:25:38 scientific era people1:25:39 okay the anti-muslims anti-islam1:25:42 apologists all these retractions and not1:25:45 be introspective and self-reflective in1:25:47 our own communities1:25:48 and we have to try and get yani sanctify1:25:52 the words of allah subhana wa tala as1:25:54 much as we can and these are the dangers1:25:56 of the scientific miracles narrative1:25:58 where you almost forcibly superimpose1:26:00 meanings1:26:01 of science into the into the text where1:26:03 there's no requirement to do so because1:26:05 there's actually1:26:06 healthy alternatives with great1:26:07 precedent and which are facilitated by1:26:09 the language1:26:09 in the very quran that we believe in so1:26:12 uh1:26:13 this uh one of the weakness uh1:26:15 weaknesses of the scientific miracles1:26:16 narrative but as i've said in the1:26:17 beginning of this video1:26:19 that we will be talking about the1:26:21 multi-layered approach and how it solves1:26:22 these problems and more1:26:24 and it's much more sophisticated and it1:26:26 doesn't fall into the pitfalls1:26:28 of the scientific miracles narrative1:26:29 that we've seen for the last uh maybe 201:26:31 years1:26:31 and i hope that answers the question of1:26:32 salaam alaikum1:26:38 today inshallah we're going to be1:26:39 talking about the big bang and whether1:26:41 or not the quran1:26:42 talks about the big bang or actively1:26:44 teaches the big bang1:26:46 and of course this is a ubiquitous kind1:26:48 of claim that you find1:26:49 with those who espouse the scientific1:26:51 miracles narrative1:26:52 both in the western world in the1:26:54 english-speaking world and of course the1:26:56 middle east as well i'm sure in other1:26:57 parts of the world1:26:59 that i don't have access to1:27:00 unfortunately because my language skills1:27:02 are limited1:27:03 but let's say let's answer this question1:27:06 the question of whether the quran or not1:27:08 actively speaks about the big bang1:27:10 before we do this though i think it's1:27:11 very important to1:27:13 note that here at sapiens institute we1:27:16 think that the most sophisticated1:27:18 way of dealing with the quran in in so1:27:21 much as1:27:21 it talks about the naturalistic1:27:23 phenomena of the world is to apply1:27:25 a multi-layered approach and this1:27:27 approach really says that the quran1:27:29 speaks in a simple and concise yet1:27:31 powerful and rich1:27:32 way which communicates with different uh1:27:35 audiences from1:27:36 the 7th century all the way through to1:27:38 the 21st century1:27:40 and it also says that when we're looking1:27:42 at verses1:27:44 when we're looking at verses we need to1:27:45 allow ambiguities to remain as1:27:48 ambiguities in other words1:27:50 picking one uh of many different1:27:52 interpretations and claiming that this1:27:54 is a scientific miracle is a limitation1:27:56 now obviously this method requires or1:27:58 the multi-layered method requires a1:28:00 video in its own right it deserves1:28:02 more attention and of course we're going1:28:03 to we're going to do that but1:28:05 for the purposes of today we're not1:28:07 going to be going into much depth1:28:10 uh however there's one more thing i1:28:11 think is important to put forward in1:28:13 terms of conceptual analysis1:28:15 which is david schatz his conception or1:28:18 compartmentalization of concordism into1:28:21 two different types now what is1:28:22 concordism1:28:23 concordism loosely defined is1:28:26 the propensity of a scripture whether1:28:29 it's the bible or the quran whatever1:28:31 to be in agreement with science or to1:28:33 actually actively teach science now1:28:35 david chats divides it into two1:28:36 different things1:28:37 he refers to as bold concordism and1:28:39 modest concordism1:28:40 so bold concordism is really the1:28:43 postulation that the scripture is1:28:45 actively speaking about1:28:46 said scientific phenomena and modest1:28:49 concordance is that the scripture1:28:50 may not speak about it in such explicit1:28:53 terms1:28:53 but indeed is not against it in such1:28:56 explicit terms or1:28:58 whatever said phenomena is i think the1:29:00 modest concordance position is much1:29:02 more tenable from a hermeneutical and1:29:05 executive perspective1:29:06 now let's move on to this uh this big1:29:08 bang example and1:29:10 and look at the verses so obviously this1:29:12 is chapter number 21 verse number 301:29:14 where allah says you know that the unit1:29:17 the heavens and the earth1:29:20 they were both one piece so we separated1:29:22 them this is a loose translation and1:29:24 it's a very legitimate translation1:29:26 because if you look at1:29:27 the exegetes like tabari and even kefir1:29:29 and1:29:30 all of these major kind of exegetes of1:29:32 the past1:29:33 and obviously also the arabic language1:29:37 literally just means for something to be1:29:40 together1:29:41 and for them to be separated however1:29:43 when you look at what these exegetes say1:29:45 they do actually1:29:47 um expound on different types of meaning1:29:50 so for example1:29:51 yes it does say that the heavens and the1:29:53 earth were together and then we1:29:54 cleared them asunder or have way1:29:55 separated them or whatever way you want1:29:57 to translate it1:29:58 but they also say that this could mean1:30:01 that this is when1:30:02 the the same or the skies started to1:30:06 rain and when the uh grounds started to1:30:08 produce vegetation1:30:10 this is another exegesis that is of the1:30:12 same verse and many of the salaf and1:30:14 many of those1:30:14 medieval commentators took this as the1:30:17 as the primary meaning in fact and that1:30:19 is why1:30:20 the next verse talks about we have made1:30:22 for more to every living thing that says1:30:23 it makes more sense in that sense1:30:25 but we will leave both of those1:30:27 interpretations as valid interpretations1:30:30 now those interpretations and more have1:30:33 been said about this1:30:34 verse so to choose one of them are we1:30:36 justified in choosing one of them1:30:38 because the1:30:38 dominant scientific theory of the day1:30:42 is espouses or is closer to that one of1:30:45 them1:30:46 i think we should be more reserved and1:30:48 conservative with this because quite1:30:49 frankly1:30:50 of all the different kinds of sciences1:30:52 that are out there you could argue1:30:53 making1:30:54 a strong argument that physics and1:30:56 especially astronomy is the most1:30:58 volatile in terms of change i mean1:31:00 paradigm shifts1:31:01 we know not only the newtonian to1:31:03 einsteinian shift but1:31:04 all kinds of theories have been1:31:06 elaborated upon in the last 100 years in1:31:08 science and astronomy i mean string1:31:10 theory oscillating universe1:31:12 eternal universes i mean you could see1:31:14 from the from the writings of some of1:31:16 the1:31:16 most prominent scientists that we have1:31:17 like roger penrose for example1:31:19 and in 10 or 20 years he changes his1:31:21 mind on very foundational issues when it1:31:23 comes to cosmology1:31:24 therefore to pin you know a verse in the1:31:27 quran on the1:31:29 changing and courageable and1:31:33 moving if you like scientific discourse1:31:36 i think is quite dangerous because1:31:37 what if in 50 years in 70 years or 1001:31:40 years1:31:41 the dominant cosmology is different and1:31:44 that is a very plausible scientific1:31:46 possibility1:31:47 it's extremely plausible for the1:31:49 dominant1:31:50 cosmology to have shifted and for this1:31:52 reason this for me defines another1:31:54 limitation of saying that the quran1:31:56 talks about the big bang theory1:31:58 which is that okay if you're saying this1:32:00 today let's see if you remain consistent1:32:02 maybe if your grandchildren remain1:32:04 consistent that have the same1:32:06 methodology where all of these western1:32:09 scientists1:32:10 are now changing their mind and it1:32:12 becomes an oscillating theory1:32:13 and then maybe you go to another1:32:15 interpretation but this movement1:32:17 uh of science and also the fact that1:32:19 there are different interpretations1:32:22 kind of says to me that we shouldn't be1:32:24 cherry-picking verses and trying to make1:32:26 them match1:32:27 you know the interpretations match with1:32:28 modern-day scientific phenomena1:32:30 because if we do that we're actually1:32:32 outlining a1:32:33 failed hermeneutic and we are actually1:32:36 justifying for those1:32:38 individuals who are attacking islam the1:32:40 detractors of islam1:32:41 who use one of many interpretations1:32:44 which might be unscientific and1:32:45 legitimate through the language1:32:47 that this is a legitimate recourse so if1:32:50 we're saying that we will1:32:51 we'll take one of many different1:32:52 interpretations and now we're going to1:32:53 elaborate upon that1:32:55 then that what that does it opens the1:32:56 can of worms because now1:32:58 the uh the detractor or anti-muslim1:33:00 apologist is1:33:01 well justified in saying that according1:33:03 to the quran1:33:04 the heaven oh sorry the earth was1:33:06 created before the heaven for example1:33:07 and this is the opinion of this person1:33:09 and that1:33:09 that person well we'll come back and say1:33:12 well hold on the opinion of the other1:33:13 person and that person1:33:14 is opposite to that well they'll say1:33:16 well hold on you have justified to1:33:18 yourself1:33:19 taking an ambiguous verse and and saying1:33:22 that it means this1:33:23 when there are these other alternate1:33:24 linguistic alternatives and exegetical1:33:26 alternatives so why are we not within1:33:28 our rights1:33:29 to choose unscientific interpretations1:33:32 and say this is what it means1:33:34 well in fact this whole idea of using1:33:37 ambiguous verses which have more than1:33:39 one interpretation1:33:40 and running with it is exactly the1:33:42 opposite exactly the opposite of what1:33:44 allah tells us to do in the quran1:33:52 it says that this book has verses which1:33:55 are foundational and others which are1:33:57 ambiguous1:34:01 for those people who have swerving in1:34:03 their hearts or some kind of deviance in1:34:05 their hearts they'll choose1:34:07 yes those interpretations that they1:34:11 which are ambiguous and they don't know1:34:13 what the the verse goes on to say they1:34:15 don't know what these interpret no one1:34:16 knows1:34:17 what these the interpretation actually1:34:19 definitely definitively means except for1:34:21 allah1:34:21 and some say what also those who are1:34:24 very1:34:24 grounded in knowledge and some say no1:34:27 not even those because the sentence1:34:28 starts and that's another discussion1:34:30 but the idea is that choosing one of1:34:32 many different interpretations and1:34:34 insisting1:34:35 that this is what the quran says is not1:34:37 the the sophisticated hermeneutical1:34:39 method1:34:40 and in fact it can go into what1:34:44 you may say about allah which you don't1:34:46 know it may go into that1:34:47 or it could go into what the prophet1:34:49 says1:34:52 whoever lies about me intentionally then1:34:54 let him prepare his sea in the hell fire1:34:56 where you know that there are other1:34:57 interpretations but you're intentionally1:34:59 choosing one1:35:00 so you can fit it with a particular1:35:01 narrative and so this is problematic so1:35:04 from all of those perspectives and that1:35:07 you have1:35:08 changing science that it's a1:35:10 cherry-picking approach1:35:11 that you know it's limited and you know1:35:14 you could even say one of the possible1:35:15 assumptions i'm not saying it's a1:35:16 definitive or something1:35:17 is that if it is talking about the big1:35:19 bang if let's say that chapter 21 verse1:35:22 number 301:35:22 is talking about the big bang if it is1:35:25 talking about the big bang1:35:26 does that mean to say that those people1:35:28 in the 7th century who had no knowledge1:35:29 of astronomy1:35:30 would have had this verse or the meaning1:35:33 of this veil to them1:35:34 like they wouldn't understand the1:35:36 implications of the big bang and so this1:35:38 verse would1:35:38 be meaningless or very very close to1:35:41 being meaningless to them1:35:42 so that would be a yani uh this this1:35:45 could be something which is also1:35:46 damaging1:35:47 the truth of the matter is this verse1:35:49 does indicate to us that there was some1:35:51 kind of separation but we don't know1:35:53 what exactly cosmologically it's talking1:35:56 about1:35:56 and similarly1:36:00 you know that the heaven we have in1:36:02 chapter 51 of the quran the heaven we1:36:03 have created it with power1:36:05 and we we are steadily expanding it now1:36:07 yes there are some people1:36:09 even tabbers that i've looked at the1:36:11 tafasir in the exegetes that say that1:36:13 uh musyawn doesn't mean expanding there1:36:16 are some tabernacles who say that1:36:18 like for example abdul rahman bin zayd1:36:20 even islam and i've read this in uh1:36:26 and so this is definitely represented in1:36:28 the literature i'm not taking that away1:36:30 from1:36:30 uh from from that however there's a few1:36:32 issues it says1:36:36 for example and we know and we've talked1:36:38 about this in other episodes that1:36:39 means all that is all that is above and1:36:42 so this does not necessitate that it's1:36:44 just a worldly1:36:45 dunya that we associate with the1:36:47 universe so this might be talking about1:36:49 something which is completely above and1:36:51 beyond our understanding because we1:36:52 haven't even1:36:53 accessed the other six heavens for1:36:55 example and it could be talking1:36:56 something above the sixth heavens1:36:58 because sama1:36:59 could involve the corsi and technically1:37:01 so why are we getting ourselves okay1:37:03 it's talking about the expanding1:37:04 universe for sure1:37:05 we don't know allahu allah if it's1:37:06 talking about the expanding universe for1:37:08 sure because1:37:09 quite frankly the majority of exegete1:37:11 says1:37:15 means we are able to do so like we are1:37:18 able to do so1:37:18 allah we created the heaven with power1:37:20 and we were able to do so1:37:22 and there's no contradiction between the1:37:23 two meanings and yes it could mean both1:37:25 but to insist it's talking about the1:37:27 expanding universe in redshift1:37:28 i think it's a bit uh is a bit much and1:37:31 if you do1:37:32 insist is definitely talking about this1:37:33 and this is how we should understand the1:37:34 verse then once again the cherry picking1:37:36 approach1:37:37 and the inconsistencies of it you'd have1:37:39 to afford1:37:40 for the hasam for the interlocutor which1:37:42 in this case will be the anti-muslim1:37:44 apologist who's going to use1:37:46 unscientific interpretations in much the1:37:47 same way1:37:48 as you're using scientific ones so what1:37:50 needs to be done here is we need to1:37:52 remain consistent and we will we need to1:37:55 understand the limits1:37:56 of of using this kind of evidence1:37:59 and quite frankly in the last 20 or 301:38:01 years we've seen the strengths and uh1:38:03 weaknesses of this the advantages and1:38:05 disadvantages the advantages if you1:38:07 from a dower perspective quite frankly1:38:08 if you try and bring people into islam1:38:10 because of this1:38:10 those people that you bring into islam1:38:12 because of this will be most affected by1:38:14 the anti-islamic apologists1:38:16 when they provide for them for for them1:38:19 equal or similar types of argumentation1:38:21 using equal or similar1:38:23 uh methods and so it1:38:26 could and we have seen and we have the1:38:27 evidence that it could increase apostasy1:38:29 for1:38:30 those particular individuals who have1:38:31 been convinced of islam because of that1:38:33 reason so one has to1:38:34 exercise extreme caution here and they1:38:37 have to be1:38:37 consistent and they have and they have1:38:39 to do justice to the quran1:38:41 and leave that which is ambiguous as1:38:42 ambiguous and speak with1:38:45 um speak with with a sophisticated1:38:48 tongue1:38:48 not when when it's an ambiguous verse1:38:51 because no one knows really1:38:52 what this verse exactly is talking about1:38:54 and i hope that answers the question1:38:56 but finally i will say as muslims can we1:38:59 believe in the big bang and can we1:39:00 believe in the expanding universe1:39:02 and redshift in the beginning of the1:39:03 universe absolutely i don't see any1:39:04 problem with that and in other videos1:39:06 you see that we're talking about for1:39:07 example the the days meaning something1:39:09 which is longer1:39:11 an epoch or generational time period so1:39:13 it doesn't need to mean1:39:14 a 24-hour period so from those1:39:16 perspectives i see no harm1:39:18 in believing the big bang theory so long1:39:19 as you believe that allah is the one who1:39:21 created or1:39:22 who initiated it yeah i don't see any1:39:25 issue1:39:26 with believing it so long as allah is1:39:27 the orchestrator of it and he is this is1:39:29 part of his hulk1:39:30 but you should uh from a scientific1:39:32 perspective be a little bit more1:39:34 less eager and a bit more use the word1:39:37 agnostic really because we don't know1:39:39 for sure1:39:40 how far this big bang theory is uh1:39:43 is true because quite frankly it's1:39:45 underdetermined from a1:39:47 philosophy of science perspective1:39:48 there's like maybe 16 or 171:39:51 differing models with very similar1:39:53 epistemic weight1:39:54 and so this under determination should1:39:56 allow us to realize1:39:58 that from an islamic perspective and1:40:00 it's not1:40:01 qatari and therefore we should not1:40:04 which means it's speculative and it's1:40:06 not something which is certain1:40:08 and so we shouldn't need to feel the1:40:11 need to really1:40:12 uh overcompensate here with this issue1:40:14 and i hope that answers the question1:40:15 salaam alaikum warahmatullahi1:40:23 today in sha allah we're going to be1:40:24 tackling a contention that some of these1:40:26 anti-islamic apologists have tried to1:40:28 put forth1:40:29 one that stipulates or that asserts we1:40:32 could say1:40:33 that the quranic presentation of1:40:35 cosmology is one that says that the sun1:40:37 it sets into a murky water spring1:40:40 and why do they say that because of a1:40:42 verse in surah chapter1:40:43 18 of the quran with one of the1:40:46 protagonists one of the1:40:47 characters of the quran he goes uh to a1:40:50 certain destination and1:40:51 he says that he sees the sun1:40:55 he sees he saw the sun setting in a1:40:58 muddy spring1:40:59 and they say this shows because uh it's1:41:02 very clear in the quran they would argue1:41:03 that this shows that the sun according1:41:04 to the quranic cosmology1:41:06 yes uh sitting in a spring of1:41:09 murky water now let's let's look at what1:41:11 the mufassirun the1:41:13 exegetes of the quran are four times1:41:15 have said look at bayley look1:41:19 even though he didn't do like a you know1:41:21 a tafsir of the quran but he mentions1:41:22 this1:41:23 by mentioning that all of the spheres of1:41:24 the the the phallic are1:41:27 or or spherical and according actually1:41:30 mentions in his tafsir1:41:31 that this yani because obviously he was1:41:34 preaching1:41:34 or he was his homiletic type of exegesis1:41:37 was also being preached1:41:38 to a non-arab audience and a lot of1:41:40 individuals they didn't understand1:41:41 that the word wager that could actually1:41:43 mean is perspectivalist from the1:41:45 perspective of the individual1:41:46 he said this obviously not talking about1:41:48 the sun which is many many times bigger1:41:50 than the earth in which we live in1:41:52 sinking into the yani the uh the spring1:41:55 of uh1:41:56 of murky water in that literalistic1:41:58 sense and what is the evidence of this1:42:00 from the arabic language the evidence of1:42:01 this is the word1:42:04 which is what the word the operative1:42:05 word that is used in this verse1:42:07 it means one of the key meanings of it1:42:09 according to allah1:42:10 who wrote obviously one of the most1:42:12 authoritative1:42:14 dictionaries for referencing the arabic1:42:16 language uh1:42:17 al fatima for the quran he says in it1:42:19 that this1:42:20 attack could mean anything from the five1:42:23 senses so it's perspectival and1:42:25 something from the five senses that is1:42:26 experience from the1:42:27 person experiencing them so this wajada1:42:30 is clearly in the arabic language1:42:32 perspectival1:42:33 and it's the anthropocentric1:42:34 phenomenological perspective and so from1:42:36 this perspective it seems to me that1:42:38 this is1:42:38 really flogging at that horse or trying1:42:40 to put into the quran what they wish1:42:42 really was clear in the quran and that1:42:44 they hoped was already in there now you1:42:46 imagine1:42:47 sometime after today maybe 100 years1:42:49 from now or 200 years from now1:42:51 some atheists that live on if the world1:42:53 continues1:42:54 that period of time as they say look at1:42:57 these fools that lived in the 21st1:42:58 century they used to say that the sun1:43:00 sets but we know from modern science1:43:01 that the sun doesn't say we would say1:43:03 that these people are foolish they don't1:43:04 understand how language works1:43:06 because sunset in the english language1:43:07 because it's not something foreign1:43:09 sunset is is obviously from our1:43:10 perspective it's a linguistic1:43:12 kind of not idiom but it's something1:43:15 which is1:43:17 common speech and it's not intended in1:43:19 that literalistic way1:43:21 so we would be saying that to them1:43:24 obviously why can't you apply the same1:43:26 kind of common sense with the quranic1:43:27 discourse1:43:28 it's because you're begging you're1:43:30 you're desperate1:43:31 to find some kind of thing an entrance1:43:33 point for your narratives and this is1:43:35 weak1:43:35 another thing that i would add or that1:43:38 they say1:43:39 is that what there's another hadith1:43:40 which corroborates our understanding1:43:42 which is the hadith when the prophet was1:43:43 asked supposedly asked1:43:45 where does the sunset and he says that1:43:47 it goes into a spring of muddy water now1:43:49 this1:43:50 loves of the hadith this particular1:43:52 phraseology of the hadith1:43:53 was um was narrated by one individual1:43:56 called1:43:57 al-haqim na taba who is seen as a1:43:59 modalis which means that he's weak1:44:01 basically this individual does something1:44:03 which means that he doesn't tell us1:44:04 where he gets his information from1:44:07 he doesn't tell us who his teacher is1:44:09 and so this1:44:10 is a form of disqualification from the1:44:12 hadith science perspective1:44:13 and so this particular phraseology is1:44:16 not to be understood as1:44:17 strong the and that's why it's not1:44:19 mentioned buhari muslim in fact1:44:20 the hadith which is mentioned bukhari is1:44:22 the one that we talked about in the1:44:23 other1:44:23 in the other video which of course you1:44:24 can watch in conjunction with this one1:44:26 if you want more information1:44:27 the hadith of prostration now if one1:44:29 argues that even though this is the case1:44:31 we can do1:44:32 the hadith or some kind of strengthening1:44:34 of this hadith1:44:35 and there are some scholars that say1:44:36 this hadith is strong and so on and so1:44:38 forth1:44:38 well we can say that if you want to play1:44:40 with weak hadiths and weak narrations we1:44:42 can also bring1:44:43 forward1:44:46 which is actually weak but can be argued1:44:49 to be strong in the same or similar1:44:51 senses that this one1:44:52 where it says1:44:55 that the sun runs and it has no place of1:44:58 setting1:44:58 there's actually something which is1:45:00 attributed to both of the abbas1:45:01 and ibrahimos now one can argue if we do1:45:03 take this on board wouldn't this run1:45:05 counter to what the quran says1:45:08 that it runs to a place of uh appointed1:45:11 for it well actually1:45:12 the jammer could be made or1:45:14 contradiction can be made between a1:45:15 harmonization could be made between the1:45:17 two1:45:17 in so much as we can say that one is1:45:19 talking about time1:45:21 or the day of judgment in the case of1:45:22 the the which is well known and the1:45:24 other one is talking about place1:45:25 and of course we can make those1:45:26 arguments but i won't make those1:45:27 arguments because we have to stick with1:45:28 the integrity1:45:29 of the islamic tradition of1:45:30 authenticating that which is authentic1:45:32 and leaving inauthentic that which is1:45:34 inauthentic it does not have1:45:36 the um the apparatus for being something1:45:38 which is an authentic hadith that should1:45:39 be taken as1:45:40 a gospel if you like or in this case1:45:43 quran1:45:44 for the muslim so i would say that if1:45:47 you want to play with weak hadith we1:45:48 could all play with weak hadith and weak1:45:49 generations1:45:51 and in fact the one that i have is much1:45:53 clearer in1:45:54 by way of trying to prove the1:45:55 heliocentric model than the one that1:45:56 they have1:45:57 by way of trying to prove that the sun1:45:58 actually literally1:46:00 sets in the spring of muddy water and1:46:02 this of course runs counter to the1:46:04 islamic understanding or the quranic1:46:05 reading1:46:06 where it says that the sun is in its own1:46:07 orbit in chapter number 21 verse number1:46:09 33 in chapter number 36 verse number 401:46:12 in chapter in many different chapters1:46:13 number 35 verse number 39 verse number1:46:15 five but a different place of the quran1:46:16 so in summary therefore this is a1:46:18 weakened feeble1:46:19 contention a species claim which i hope1:46:22 now has been1:46:23 uh completely and utterly refuted and1:46:26 hopefully that answers the question1:46:33 today inshallah we're going to be1:46:34 talking about a contention1:46:36 which is put forward by some of those1:46:38 detractors namely one1:46:40 that talks about the noah's ark1:46:42 narrative now obviously we know this1:46:43 narrative is1:46:44 also in the bible but this specific1:46:46 narrative or this specific1:46:48 contention i should say is leveled1:46:50 directly at the quran1:46:51 in particular level that chapter 111:46:54 verse 40 of the quran where allah1:46:56 subhanahu wa says1:46:57 that bring on it mean kulin's o jainith1:47:00 name from1:47:01 every pair or every kind a pair from1:47:04 every kind1:47:05 a pair male and female so they say it's1:47:08 virtually impossible to fit1:47:10 all the species of the earth all the1:47:13 species1:47:14 male and female on this ship what kind1:47:17 of ship1:47:18 would this be anyway it's virtually1:47:19 impossible to put all these animals when1:47:21 we say1:47:22 pear i mean they're saying from every1:47:23 it's not even saying animals yeah it's1:47:25 the same we call1:47:25 in so jaina's name from every1:47:29 kind or i mean cullen anything that can1:47:32 have a pair really1:47:33 so jane its name now do we understand1:47:37 this1:47:38 literalistically so the answer to this1:47:41 question is this1:47:43 the operative words here min kulin1:47:46 zojay anything or kul the word kullu in1:47:49 the arabic language1:47:50 which literally means every in one of1:47:53 the translations of this term1:47:55 is what is the source of confusion1:47:58 because1:47:59 some people read this and have a very1:48:02 literalistic interaction with this word1:48:06 this word does not only mean this word1:48:09 kul1:48:09 in the arabic language does not only1:48:12 mean1:48:13 every single thing it can also mean1:48:16 many things and what is the evidence of1:48:19 this1:48:19 the evidence of this can be found in the1:48:21 quran itself1:48:23 where in chapter 46 and surat al-aqf of1:48:26 the quran1:48:27 in verse number 25 allah says to1:48:34 that it destroys everything with the1:48:36 command1:48:37 of your lord it's talking about a wind1:48:39 for us1:48:43 so they could not be seen except for1:48:46 their places1:48:47 of inhabitational residence1:48:50 so in other words it's not talking about1:48:52 everything because this verse is being1:48:53 very clear1:48:54 that this wind destroyed many types of1:48:57 things1:48:58 it destroys1:49:02 everything the same words here1:49:05 the word kul is there meaning every1:49:07 right1:49:09 it destroys everything so1:49:12 nothing of their them was seen except1:49:15 for their homes1:49:20 we can't see anything except for their1:49:22 places of residency1:49:23 their homes so clearly this is not1:49:25 talking about everything this wind1:49:26 didn't destroy the universe1:49:28 the cosmos and this and that and almost1:49:31 every osuli1:49:33 uh this is a branch of islamic sciences1:49:36 called us1:49:37 which is the principles of jurisprudence1:49:40 they use this in their tracks1:49:42 and their treatises the word cool and1:49:43 it's called it's actually a category of1:49:45 thing called1:49:46 elam1:49:46 [Music]1:49:50 that it's something which is general and1:49:54 what is intended from it is a specific1:49:56 thing1:49:57 so it's a kind of usage of the language1:50:00 which was understood by the scholars of1:50:02 islam1:50:02 one of the scholars of islam sulti who1:50:04 died 9 111:50:06 after hijri he in fact wrote a book1:50:09 about1:50:10 this word kul kulum alaihi1:50:13 this is the name of the book and in it1:50:15 he shows that1:50:16 there are usages of the word kul which1:50:19 is1:50:19 literalistically translated as every1:50:22 which cannot mean every single1:50:25 such that nothing is excluded from that1:50:27 particular1:50:28 genus or circumstance whatever is we're1:50:30 talking about universal whatever it is1:50:31 we're talking about1:50:32 and so with this i should say one more1:50:35 thing1:50:36 that as i started this discussion a lot1:50:39 of people are taking the genesis1:50:40 narrative and putting on to the quran1:50:42 there are some very many differences for1:50:44 example1:50:46 a literal reading not a literalistic one1:50:47 by literal reading of genesis1:50:49 may take someone who's an evangelical or1:50:52 who takes a literal understanding of the1:50:53 bible1:50:54 like answers in genesis and those1:50:56 individuals to the conclusion1:50:58 that the whole world was consumed by1:51:01 flood1:51:01 and that all individuals had to be put1:51:04 on the ship1:51:05 or and animals and everything had to be1:51:07 put on the ship1:51:08 that is a a an interpretation1:51:11 for the bible we are under no obligation1:51:14 to believe that it was a worldwide flood1:51:16 and we are under an obligation to1:51:17 believe that all the1:51:19 entire worlds animals and species have1:51:21 to be put on the ship for the reasons1:51:22 aforementioned1:51:24 my hope with that the contention is1:51:26 cleared1:51:27 and with that i end this episode1:51:30 wassalamualaikum warahmatullahi1:51:36 today we're going to be responding to a1:51:38 contention which1:51:40 some people anti-islamic apologists have1:51:42 used1:51:43 and even since on some of their websites1:51:46 about a hadith1:51:48 which talks about the black seed and if1:51:50 you wanted to translate it1:51:51 literalistically would read1:51:53 that it's a cure for every disease1:51:57 but is this the case how could it be the1:51:59 case i mean is it a cure for cancer for1:52:02 aids1:52:02 for all of those things do we not need1:52:05 hospitals anymore1:52:07 cancer research needs to shut down1:52:09 because now we have the black seed no1:52:11 the hadith does not mean uh all of the1:52:14 diseases1:52:16 barring none this is of course a1:52:18 literalistic1:52:19 reading of the hadith which has no1:52:22 bearing1:52:23 on the actual meaning of the hadith and1:52:25 this is not even how the medieval1:52:29 scholars the the1:52:32 uh commentators of this hadith have1:52:34 understood it1:52:35 even from as far back as even1:52:39 and others and the other individuals1:52:41 like him1:52:42 jose and others who spoke about1:52:46 the black seed and this hadith in1:52:49 particular all of which you1:52:50 i've read anyway specified that it's not1:52:53 talking about1:52:54 all the diseases but it's talking about1:52:57 many1:52:58 different kinds of uh diseases and1:53:01 this is something which we know from the1:53:03 usage of the word1:53:04 kul which is in this hadith which is1:53:07 also used in the quran1:53:08 while spanish1:53:12 chapter 46 verse number 251:53:16 says1:53:24 that it destroys there's a wind that1:53:26 destroys everything1:53:28 uh with the command of its lord so1:53:31 they came to be uh not seen except for1:53:35 their indwellings1:53:36 and of course this does not mean that1:53:39 this wind that allah1:53:42 is talking about is a wind that1:53:44 destroyed everything including1:53:46 animals and the earth and the cosmos1:53:49 even though there's the exception there1:53:52 illa except for their indwellings it1:53:55 doesn't mean everything was destroyed1:53:57 except for the indwelling so the1:53:59 kul here is not intended by any means1:54:03 or any stretch of the imagination1:54:06 to mean every single thing1:54:10 on the face of the earth let alone the1:54:12 entire1:54:13 existence or entire universe this is1:54:16 impossible1:54:17 to extrapolate from this verse and that1:54:19 is why many of the scholars have1:54:21 actually1:54:22 written books and criticism about this1:54:25 word kul1:54:26 because many people that employ1:54:28 literalistic1:54:29 understandings of the arabic language1:54:33 do not understand these kinds of usages1:54:35 so sulti wrote a book1:54:40 or the word kul and what it implies or1:54:43 what its1:54:45 evidences or shows so this1:54:48 should be very clear now that the uh the1:54:51 black seed is not1:54:53 actually a cure for every single1:54:56 disease except death it's not a cure for1:55:00 every single disease because the prophet1:55:02 muhammad1:55:04 us that allah has not sent down any1:55:07 disease1:55:11 except that he sent down with it1:55:16 except that he sent down with it you1:55:18 know a1:55:19 cure in other words for every specific1:55:22 disease1:55:23 there is a level1:55:26 he allah has prescribed for it1:55:31 a cure a specific cure and thus1:55:34 uh if if this was not the case and black1:55:38 seed could solve all of our problems1:55:40 then such a hadith would indeed indeed1:55:43 be a futile one1:55:45 and would not make any sense so that is1:55:47 why we have to look at1:55:48 the entire corpus of hadith before1:55:51 we rush to conclusions in summary1:55:54 therefore1:55:55 those individuals who try and use this1:55:57 hadith and others to try and mock1:55:59 islam and muslims are but surely1:56:02 lost in their own ignorance and indeed1:56:05 have1:56:05 a very superficial understanding1:56:08 newspaper understanding1:56:10 cursory understanding of1:56:13 the hadith tradition and i hope that is1:56:16 intellectually1:56:17 as satisfying as is for you as it has1:56:20 been for me1:56:26 was1:56:29 today in sha allah what we're going to1:56:30 be doing is dealing with a very1:56:32 prominent hadith that you'll find in1:56:34 many of the1:56:35 anti-islamic apologetics and1:56:38 anti-islamic1:56:39 websites of those individuals who are1:56:41 trying1:56:42 to attack the deen the religion of islam1:56:45 so this is a famous hadith really a1:56:48 cosmological hadith1:56:49 which is mentioned by abu dharr1:56:51 al-khafari and the contention1:56:52 is that this hadith fully supports1:56:55 without a shadow1:56:56 of a doubt a geocentric model1:57:00 and in fact some add to this and say it1:57:03 shows that the quranic picture that the1:57:05 islamic cosmology1:57:07 generally is that of not only a flat1:57:09 earth which they've1:57:10 said and spoken about and we have a1:57:12 separate video on1:57:13 but one which is flat and stationary and1:57:16 where in which1:57:18 the uh the sun is going around in in a1:57:21 geocentric way1:57:22 and thus it's confirming the uh 7th1:57:25 century1:57:26 you know understanding of cosmology and1:57:29 this is1:57:30 an evidence that it's false so as i've1:57:32 mentioned1:57:33 the discussion of flat earth versus1:57:35 round earth is in a separate video1:57:37 which you can find on this series so if1:57:39 you want to1:57:40 see me talk about that you can pause the1:57:42 video now watch that video and come back1:57:45 now in regards to this particular video1:57:48 let's read the hadith in question and1:57:50 move on1:57:51 to what the specific contentions are so1:57:54 the hadith1:57:55 is narrated by abu dhabi may allah be1:57:58 pleased with him1:57:59 and he said that the prophet sallallahu1:58:00 alaihi wasallam said1:58:03 do you know where the sun set1:58:06 do you know where it goes i said1:58:11 allah and his messenger know best he1:58:13 said it goes and prostrates beneath1:58:15 the throne then it asks for permission1:58:18 to rise1:58:19 and permission is given to it soon it1:58:22 will prostrate1:58:23 and it will ask for for permission to1:58:25 rise but permission1:58:26 will not be given to it it will be said1:58:30 to it go back to where you came from1:58:33 so arise from its place of setting1:58:36 and that is what allah may allah be1:58:38 glorified may he be glorified1:58:40 refers to in the verse and the son runs1:58:43 on its fixed course for a term appointed1:58:47 and that is a decree of the mighty the1:58:49 all-knowing he's mentioning1:58:51 uh the prophet muhammad mentioning an1:58:52 ayah suratiya in chapter 36 verse number1:58:55 381:58:58 that the son runs on an on a fixed1:59:02 term decreed so let's talk about what1:59:06 the contentions are the contentions1:59:07 really you could say1:59:09 are three in number three main1:59:11 contentions1:59:12 the first one relates to this1:59:13 prostration of the sun what do we1:59:15 understand1:59:16 from this uh hadith when we talk about1:59:18 the prostration of the sun1:59:20 is it to be suggested that this is an1:59:22 anthropomorphic or a personified picture1:59:24 of the celestial1:59:25 sphere that is the sun and isn't this1:59:28 more in line with mythology1:59:30 and ancient legend than it is with the1:59:32 scientific contemporaneous reality that1:59:34 we know1:59:35 from examination and from uh1:59:39 advances in science that's number one1:59:41 the second thing is about1:59:42 that the the going how could the sun be1:59:45 going1:59:46 uh underneath the throne and this shows1:59:49 they say1:59:50 the fact that the sun is going somewhere1:59:52 in sunset1:59:53 that it's confirming they say the1:59:56 geocentric picture1:59:58 thirdly they say the time of sunset so2:00:01 why is it that the time of sunset is in2:00:03 any way significant2:00:04 knowing that sunset is at different2:00:06 times at different points of the round2:00:07 earth2:00:09 i know there may be some flat earthers2:00:11 listening to this2:00:12 and as i've said there's a video for you2:00:14 guys or for other people2:00:16 uh about the flowers that's these are2:00:18 the three main contentions2:00:20 so let's deal with them one by one and2:00:23 in terms of verses of the quran we'll be2:00:25 discussing2:00:27 those verses of the quran which people2:00:29 try to use to refer to geocentrism2:00:32 in an entirely different video so the2:00:34 first issue that people have2:00:35 is in relation to prostration they say2:00:38 what is this prostration2:00:40 the quran says in chapter 172:00:48 that everything in the heavens and the2:00:50 earth2:00:52 you know glorifies allah and nothing2:00:56 in the heavens and the earth does2:00:57 anything but glorify2:00:59 allah but you do not understand the way2:01:02 in which2:01:02 that takes place so this verse shows2:01:06 that the celestial bodies the inanimate2:01:09 objects all of those things2:01:11 in the world whether living or not has a2:01:14 means2:01:15 of glorifying allah and this is actually2:01:18 in the realm2:01:19 of the metaphysical so science does not2:01:22 tap2:01:22 into this and it has nothing to do with2:01:25 science2:01:25 in fact the quran explicitly says well i2:01:28 can2:01:28 let us be ham in other words2:01:32 the sun and the moon and or the universe2:01:36 it has a way of glorifying allah2:01:38 subhanahu wa ta'ala2:01:40 which is distinctly different distinctly2:01:43 different from the way in which we do so2:01:45 so to try and impose and2:01:47 anthropomorphize or personify2:01:49 understanding on the celestial spheres2:01:52 or the animal objects2:01:54 is nothing but going against the quran2:01:57 and a misunderstanding of the entirety2:01:59 of the quran2:01:59 so the prostration is not a prostration2:02:02 like2:02:03 you know where you put your head on the2:02:04 floor or the fact that prostration2:02:06 requires2:02:07 stationary action from the human actor2:02:10 in fact2:02:11 with different uh species different2:02:14 animals different inanimate objects2:02:16 different spheres2:02:17 the the prostration does not in any way2:02:19 need to be correlated2:02:21 with such human prostration it's not2:02:23 like the sun is growing2:02:24 arms and a forehead and is throwing2:02:26 itself on the floor2:02:28 this is not the understanding in fact2:02:29 the quran refutes this understanding2:02:31 very categorically2:02:33 so this very literary it's not even2:02:36 literal it's a literalistic reading2:02:38 of the quran the hadith is is is the2:02:41 first point2:02:42 is the first point of confusion for2:02:44 those individuals who try2:02:46 and ask about the prostration so clearly2:02:48 here the prostration is referring to2:02:50 something which is2:02:51 metaphysical and untappable by the2:02:53 scientific method2:02:54 and one can say that you know the2:02:56 prostration not just the prostration2:02:59 but the submission of the sun2:03:02 the islam and the sujood of the sun2:03:05 is expected since allah subhanahu wa2:03:08 ta'ala2:03:08 talks about that the heavens and the2:03:11 earth will obey2:03:12 allah2:03:15 willingly or unwillingly in other words2:03:17 they're obeying the laws of allah2:03:19 subhanahu wa'ta'ala2:03:20 now some individuals will say so why2:03:23 does the hadith say that the prophet2:03:25 muhammad is saying that the sun is going2:03:28 somewhere or to an appointed destination2:03:32 in the first place2:03:33 now i want you guys to to understand in2:03:36 the arabic language there's two things2:03:37 something called2:03:38 zaman and that basically2:03:42 when you're referring to destinations2:03:44 there are two types of destination2:03:46 time-bound ones and place-bound2:03:49 ones as we'll come to know with this2:03:52 particular hadith and the area in which2:03:55 links2:03:56 with this particular which the prophet2:03:58 saw mentioned itself2:04:00 the son we know from tafsir2:04:03 is going towards the day of judgment2:04:07 and this is the tafseer of chapter 362:04:09 number 38 where it says2:04:13 that the sun is running to a destination2:04:17 what destination is it is a time-bound2:04:19 destination or is it a place-bound2:04:20 destination2:04:21 so the exegetes of islam the medieval2:04:23 exegetes are talking about the end of2:04:26 day so this is2:04:27 eschatological in nature it's not2:04:29 talking about a particular place where2:04:31 in which this is going2:04:33 uh whether this those who espouse the2:04:35 scientific miracles narrative2:04:37 it's the solar apex and those who want2:04:39 to talk about the2:04:40 uh you know the the scientific errors2:04:43 narrative2:04:43 are going to say is beneath the earth2:04:45 both of which are not indicated2:04:47 by the primary text and what's the2:04:48 evidence of this the evidence of this is2:04:51 the exact phraseology the exact2:04:53 terminology2:04:54 of the of the hab of going is mentioned2:04:57 in the quran where is it mentioned it's2:04:59 mentioned in chapter 372:05:01 and verse number 99 well well where the2:05:03 allah2:05:04 narrates2:05:10 i am going to allah and he will guide me2:05:14 the same2:05:15 exact phraseology there in2:05:19 i am going now what does this mean does2:05:22 that mean that2:05:23 somehow abraham is doing an israel2:05:26 maharaja you know of his own no it2:05:28 doesn't mean that it means2:05:30 as qatar says that this is in many ways2:05:32 a figurative2:05:34 kind of going or if you don't want to2:05:36 say it's a figurative kind of going2:05:38 uh or something which is metaphoric then2:05:40 you could say he is going with his2:05:42 as pattada says who's part of the self2:05:44 of the predecessors2:05:46 he says this means that ibrahim is going2:05:49 with his hammer2:05:50 with his knee with his kalb with his2:05:52 knee meaning with his intentions with2:05:53 his khal meaning with his heart meaning2:05:55 this the hab or this going it's not2:05:58 talking about2:05:59 a place bound going now bear that in2:06:02 mind because there's another hadith2:06:04 which is2:06:04 extremely important maybe ironically but2:06:07 definitely interestingly2:06:08 narrated also by abu dhabi i'll tell you2:06:11 why this is important2:06:13 he says that the prophet muhammad said2:06:15 the seven heavens and the seventh2:06:17 earth in comparison to the corsi is2:06:19 nothing but2:06:20 a ring thrown in the desert and2:06:22 certainly the hugeness of the hajj over2:06:24 the course is like the desert over that2:06:26 ring allah2:06:30 the magnitude of the hulk of the2:06:33 creation of allah subhanahu wa ta'ala2:06:35 look at that that the entire seven2:06:38 heavens2:06:39 is like a ring thrown in the desert2:06:41 compared to the kursi now the course2:06:43 is roughly translated as the footstool2:06:45 of allah subhanahu wa ta'ala but it's2:06:46 something which is not2:06:48 it cannot be imagined and then that2:06:50 compared to the arsh which is the throne2:06:52 and also the sealing of creation is is2:06:55 is insignificant as well2:06:57 now why am i mentioning this because the2:07:00 question is2:07:01 is there something that the sun does or2:07:04 could there be on the2:07:05 islamic cosmology something that the sun2:07:08 does or somewhere2:07:10 where the insignificant sun which is2:07:13 placed2:07:14 in the dunya in the worldly heaven how2:07:17 do we know it's in the worldly heaven2:07:18 because allah says2:07:23 anywhere with the celestial objects in2:07:24 chapter 67 verse number four2:07:27 that is dunya so one of the seven2:07:30 heavens2:07:31 and then you have the kursi which is2:07:33 like a ring compared to that2:07:35 the movement of the sun in in this2:07:37 context of the grand2:07:38 scheme the cosmological grand scheme of2:07:42 things2:07:43 is completely insignificant2:07:46 does it mean to say that and this is2:07:48 another question does it mean to say2:07:50 that if it's going under the arsh2:07:52 is the assumption the false assumption2:07:55 that2:07:56 it wasn't underdarsh in the first place2:07:58 or the throne2:07:59 it must have been underdarsh because2:08:01 according to this hadith i've just2:08:02 mentioned2:08:03 and other things in the quran as well2:08:10 that the throne is the ceiling of2:08:13 creation so there's nothing that can be2:08:16 contained within the creation that would2:08:18 not be in any way under the arch in the2:08:20 first2:08:21 place from the quranic cosmological2:08:23 perspective2:08:24 thus the sun was always underneath us2:08:29 in as much the same way as ibrahim was2:08:31 always on the earth2:08:33 when he said innit2:08:37 and so it's not insignificant to say2:08:39 that i'm going somewhere or that someone2:08:41 is going somewhere2:08:42 or to some time when in fact they are2:08:46 staying2:08:46 in the same course that they are on a2:08:49 physical2:08:50 trajectory level so this question of2:08:54 going somewhere that the heb the going2:08:58 of the sun is one that has been confused2:09:01 by the compounded ignorance of those who2:09:04 fail to look2:09:05 at the entire corpus of the quran and2:09:07 sunnah2:09:08 especially in the phraseological usage2:09:11 of the key terms2:09:12 that we have just mentioned also to add2:09:15 it's very important we said we started2:09:16 this segment off by talking about2:09:18 that there are two kinds of zeman and2:09:20 mccann or place and time2:09:22 okay in the arabic language and both of2:09:24 them have for all intents and purposes2:09:26 exactly the same2:09:27 grammatical and usually the same2:09:29 phraseological and2:09:31 semantical structures now here2:09:34 we said that the the hab2:09:37 of the sun or the going of the sun is2:09:40 not in reference to2:09:42 the actual going the physical going but2:09:46 in fact it's about it's a time2:09:47 bound2:09:51 not from a can restriction and what is2:09:53 the evidence of this from the sunnah2:09:55 the evidence of this from the sunnah is2:09:57 that the prophet muhammad2:10:01 he ended the hadith with the vikra or2:10:05 the2:10:05 mentioning of washington2:10:09 and the sun runs to an er a determined2:10:14 uh a determined to a a2:10:18 a place slash time determined it can be2:10:20 either and we said here2:10:22 that almost all the exegetes agree that2:10:25 it's an eschatological referencing2:10:27 meaning2:10:28 it's talking about the end times and the2:10:30 day2:10:31 of judgment so this shows that when he2:10:34 was referring to abu dhabi about2:10:36 the hell of the sun it was for2:10:39 eschatological reasons2:10:40 rather than cosmological reasons2:10:44 and now this is where probably the2:10:47 biggest issue that people have with this2:10:49 hadith lies2:10:51 which is in the understanding that is it2:10:55 why did the prophet muhammad mention2:10:57 this at sunset time2:10:58 and they say this is probably the2:11:00 biggest indication of geocentricity2:11:02 or geocentrism and the answer to this is2:11:05 actually ironically2:11:06 that this is probably if you want to use2:11:08 anything if you want to mention2:11:11 cosmology in this uh this this sense2:11:14 would would uh validate the heliocentric2:11:17 model how is that possible2:11:19 it could validate the heliocentric one i2:11:20 was saying this is hadith is2:11:22 heliocentric but that's not my claim2:11:24 just to be clear just as i would say2:11:26 it's not right to say it's talking about2:11:28 geocentrism2:11:29 but why is that you see the prophet2:11:32 sallallahu alaihi sallam he mentioned2:11:33 this hadith at the time of sunset2:11:36 now if the assumption is since he2:11:39 mentioned it in the time of sunset2:11:41 that has to do with the movement of the2:11:42 sun because the sujud2:11:46 he says that the sun set and then it2:11:48 asks for permission2:11:49 to rise again from allah goes to the2:11:51 throne and asked permission to rise2:11:52 again2:11:54 now if you think about it there is a2:11:55 verse in the quran2:11:57 which is very powerful and telling it is2:12:00 in chapter 22 verse number 182:12:02 what allah says2:12:11 and then the verse continues do you not2:12:13 see2:12:14 that to allah prostrate all things2:12:18 in the heavens and in on the earth2:12:22 and the shams the sun and the moon2:12:25 wait a minute wait a minute why is it2:12:27 significant2:12:28 because if there is an inextricable link2:12:31 that is to be made between the sujud2:12:34 the prostrate the prostrating to2:12:38 under the sun so the prostrating of the2:12:41 sun2:12:43 and the sunset2:12:47 if there's an inextricable link the2:12:49 quran says2:12:51 yes and it's mentioned in2:12:54 which means it's a continuous present2:12:56 tense wait a minute2:12:58 what does this mean it means to say that2:12:59 the sun2:13:01 is always prostrating to allah subhanahu2:13:04 wa ta'ala it's not doing it2:13:06 in the past it's not sajid allah and2:13:08 it's not doing it in the future or it's2:13:10 going to do it in the future say yes2:13:12 yes because these would be the things2:13:15 you'd have to put proof2:13:17 in the prefix of the word is saying yes2:13:20 which means it's happening continuously2:13:23 in the present2:13:26 wait a minute if this means what it says2:13:30 that it would say it would suggest2:13:33 that so long as the sun is prostrating2:13:36 it's also setting and obviously2:13:40 if we now want to introduce the flat2:13:43 earth stationary earth cosmology2:13:46 which those detractors of islam2:13:49 are insisting on their websites and on2:13:52 their2:13:53 anti-islamic apologetics that2:13:56 the quran depicts a flat earth2:14:00 stationary earth cosmology with the2:14:02 sun going around it wait a minute but on2:14:05 such cosmology2:14:06 the sun would not be setting at all2:14:10 times2:14:11 wait a minute wait a minute yes because2:14:14 if it was a flat earth stationary earth2:14:16 cosmology2:14:17 the sun would go underneath the earth2:14:20 and there would be2:14:21 time periods where in which it's not2:14:23 setting on anybody at all2:14:26 there would be no such thing as a2:14:28 constant rube2:14:30 or a constant sunset2:14:34 so this in fact ironically2:14:37 it actually takes away from the2:14:38 cosmology that they are trying to build2:14:41 in their scientific era narrative and in2:14:44 fact2:14:45 on the heliocentric model this is2:14:47 definitely the case2:14:49 where in which the earth rotates around2:14:52 its own axis2:14:54 it's always setting it's always setting2:14:57 on someone2:14:58 the sun is always setting on someone why2:15:01 because the earth is continually2:15:02 spinning around its own axis2:15:05 thus if sujood or prostration is2:15:08 connected with rob2:15:10 or setting of the sun2:15:14 then it must always have resetting2:15:17 it must always be setting and this would2:15:19 in fact negate2:15:21 the flat earth stationary flat2:15:23 stationary earth geocentric cosmology2:15:25 which these anti-muslims are trying to2:15:28 project2:15:29 now they could say well this is a2:15:30 contradiction between the hadith and the2:15:32 quran2:15:33 and if this was the case the muhaddithin2:15:35 would have rejected it and it would be2:15:36 seen as i loved the hadith2:15:37 the hidden defect of the hadith just2:15:39 like hadith torba for example was2:15:41 rejected on similar grounds as2:15:42 muslim so if it was a contradiction it2:15:45 would have been rejected because of meta2:15:47 criticism2:15:48 or the criticism of the content on the2:15:50 hadith but the2:15:51 aramaic did not see it as that so it's2:15:54 not something it's2:15:56 as we have just done now uh we have2:15:58 reconciled it with the2:15:59 quran we have reconciled it with a2:16:01 heliocentric model so i don't think2:16:03 there's an issue here2:16:04 and so with all of this having said2:16:07 being said2:16:08 we can conclude quite safely that2:16:12 this hadith is not talking about the sun2:16:16 going under the throne and it wasn't2:16:19 under the throne before that2:16:21 or it's not talking about the sun going2:16:22 under the earth because if it was if2:16:25 it's a flat stationary earth it would2:16:26 not be setting and we know from the2:16:28 quran it is2:16:29 the sun is constantly prostrating and if2:16:31 it's constantly prostrating it2:16:32 must mean it's constantly setting and2:16:34 therefore2:16:36 the boomerang the intellectual boomerang2:16:39 has hit them once again2:16:41 it's always ironic that when those2:16:43 individuals they try and attack islam2:16:46 the very evidences they use are usually2:16:48 used against them2:16:58 inshallah today what we're going to be2:16:59 talking about is something which relates2:17:01 to the subject2:17:02 of quran and embryology and a2:17:05 particular contention which people have2:17:08 which is that2:17:09 the quran allegedly says according to2:17:11 these detractors2:17:12 that i've seen their material on2:17:14 anti-islamic websites2:17:15 that the quran that the human being is2:17:18 made up from2:17:19 a congealed clots of blood and we know2:17:22 from embryological2:17:24 study that that is not the case and they2:17:26 say2:17:27 the word which is the operative word2:17:31 the important word it doesn't mean to2:17:34 cling2:17:35 or to be attached to something which is2:17:38 what many muslims of today2:17:40 say which they say is a superimposition2:17:43 of modern scientific jargon2:17:46 into the vocabulary of the quran2:17:49 so let's deal with these two contentions2:17:52 one by one2:17:53 the first thing i'm going to be dealing2:17:54 with in charlotte is the second thing2:17:55 i've just mentioned2:17:56 which is the fact that this2:17:59 cannot mean something which clings or2:18:02 something which is attached to something2:18:04 else2:18:05 and that in the vast commentarial2:18:08 tradition2:18:09 and the vast exegetical tradition for a2:18:11 thousand four hundred years2:18:13 this meaning was unknown to medieval2:18:16 scholars2:18:17 and this meaning was not used in this2:18:19 way2:18:20 to indicate attachment or connection the2:18:23 truth of the matter is that is false2:18:25 that in fact medieval scholars from the2:18:28 very early days2:18:30 of islam were mentioning in their2:18:33 treatises2:18:34 in their dictionaries and in their2:18:36 exegetical2:18:37 and commentarial works that in fact2:18:40 alaka2:18:41 does mean to be attached to or connected2:18:44 to so i'll give you one or two examples2:18:47 ibn josi2:18:48 he says this and he was a sixth century2:18:51 scholar2:18:53 al-azfahani who has a dictionary2:18:57 talking about the mufradat of the quran2:19:00 or the singular2:19:01 words of the quran he also mentions2:19:04 that one of the meanings of the word is2:19:07 something to be attached2:19:08 to to its companion2:19:12 so something to be attached to something2:19:13 else to be connected to it2:19:15 so this is a species and uninformed2:19:19 claim quite2:19:19 frankly i'm quite surprised i'll be2:19:21 honest that2:19:22 these individuals who are making these2:19:24 claims didn't do themselves the academic2:19:26 justice2:19:27 of looking at these medieval books or2:19:30 they were foolish enough to2:19:32 to think that we were not going to do2:19:34 that2:19:35 indeed these meanings are there they are2:19:38 codified2:19:39 they are written and they exist2:19:42 now the second contention is they say2:19:44 well we okay let's give it to you2:19:46 it could mean to be attached to or2:19:48 connected2:19:49 to something which will go in line with2:19:52 modern embryonic2:19:53 understanding of the embryo being2:19:55 attached to the uterine wall2:19:58 and obviously through umbilical cord and2:20:01 other things2:20:03 you know taking from the nutrients of2:20:06 the host in this case the mother2:20:09 they say finally is in connection with2:20:11 this but this other2:20:12 thing or meaning2:20:15 completely unscientific which is the2:20:18 meaning of2:20:19 a congealed blood because they say it's2:20:22 not blood at all2:20:23 uh it's not blood the composition the2:20:25 chemical composition2:20:27 of the fetus is not a bloody one2:20:30 it's not one that is composed primarily2:20:33 of blood and you see this is where their2:20:36 argument2:20:37 is going to fall flat on its2:20:41 face because this again is2:20:44 a weakness of the understanding of the2:20:46 arabic language2:20:48 and in fact a weakness of the2:20:49 understanding of the sunnah of the2:20:50 prophet muhammad2:20:52 because the prophet muhammed himself2:20:54 said he said in the hadith2:20:57 that two things have become allowed for2:20:59 us2:21:00 or two things which may it or2:21:04 dead and two things and he referred to2:21:07 the word2:21:08 daman two blunts the word them in arabic2:21:11 means blood2:21:12 he says two dem two dems have become2:21:15 uh allowed for us2:21:19 and the two dems in particular is2:21:22 the liver el cabit and the spleen2:21:26 now we know that the kevin the liver2:21:30 is not something which is composed2:21:33 primarily chemically from blood2:21:36 but why is it the case that the prophet2:21:38 muhammad2:21:41 although some of the the festivals of2:21:43 the hadith of the hadith they say this2:21:44 hadith2:21:45 which goes back to the sahabi if that is2:21:48 the case which i don't believe it is2:21:49 from reading the hadith tradition and i2:21:51 believe it's going back to the prophet2:21:53 but even if it is makuf it's still what2:21:56 you call it2:21:57 it's still something to be uh you can2:22:00 use it as a way in which the language2:22:02 was used2:22:03 either way it doesn't matter the blood2:22:06 was being in reference in this hadith2:22:09 it was being in reference to something2:22:11 which is not chemically composed of2:22:13 blood2:22:14 but it looks ready reddish so therefore2:22:18 we can conclude that something which is2:22:21 not2:22:22 blood in chemical composition can yet be2:22:25 referred to as blood2:22:27 if it has the aesthetic appearance of2:22:29 that2:22:30 and we know that the embryo has the2:22:33 aesthetic appearance2:22:34 of something which is congealed and2:22:37 bloody2:22:38 even though the chemical composition may2:22:40 not be so2:22:48 someone may say that the word alakar2:22:51 shouldn't be treated the same way the2:22:52 word dem because dem means blood2:22:54 and it was being used to refer to2:22:56 something which isn't chemically blood2:22:58 but it itself is chemically blood but2:23:01 this would not be applicable to the word2:23:02 alaka we would say no this is not the2:23:04 case2:23:04 because the hadith itself talks about2:23:06 two dead things and two blood things2:23:08 and the two dead things in questions2:23:09 were not actually dead so this shows2:23:12 that the word can be used in the arabic2:23:15 language to reference2:23:16 aesthetics so in other words something2:23:18 might not be the thing2:23:20 but you're using it to indicate the2:23:22 aesthetic similarity of the thing2:23:25 thus this is a species claim and a2:23:28 foolish one2:23:29 the real question is why use the word2:23:32 when the arabs had another word for the2:23:35 word fetus2:23:36 which actually the quran uses which is2:23:38 the word janine2:23:39 which means fetus why did the quran2:23:43 specify the word this is something2:23:47 because subhanallah is true2:23:52 it's true that the fact that the2:23:55 embryo clings onto is attached to the2:23:58 uterine wall so it has this meaning2:24:00 which the word janine does not have and2:24:02 in fact the quran could have said2:24:05 a congealed clot of blood but the quran2:24:09 did not use this phraseology2:24:11 and indeed it used a phraseology which2:24:13 is more specific2:24:14 and more in line with our understanding2:24:16 of embryology2:24:17 and though this fits in with the2:24:19 multi-layered approach2:24:21 that we believe in here in sapiens2:24:23 institute which is the idea that the2:24:25 quran speaks to people2:24:27 in a timeless way people of all times2:24:30 and all places including us in the 21st2:24:33 century2:24:34 and that is the reason why allah used2:24:37 this very specific word2:24:39 wasallam alaykum2:24:46 today we're going to be talking2:24:47 inshaallah about this issue2:24:49 of the earth being created or supposedly2:24:53 created before2:24:53 the heaven as per the quran this is the2:24:56 claim that2:24:57 many of these detractors make and it's2:24:59 littered all over their2:25:01 websites so what is the claim the claim2:25:03 is2:25:04 that the quran says that the earth was2:25:06 created before the heaven2:25:07 and this is wholly unscientific2:25:10 something which is primitive and2:25:11 something which is more indicative of a2:25:13 7th century type of2:25:16 authorship rather than the create2:25:18 creator of the heavens and the earth2:25:20 so what are the verses that are being2:25:22 referenced with this kind of shubha2:25:23 there are two main verses actually two2:25:25 only verses in the quran2:25:27 that they use to to make this2:25:30 this claim the first is in chapter two2:25:32 verse twenty nine so it'll be allah says2:25:42 that he is the one who created um all2:25:45 that is in the earth and then he turned2:25:47 to the heaven2:25:47 and made them as seven heavens and in2:25:50 chapter number2:25:51 41 verse number 122:26:00 that he is the one who ordained them as2:26:03 seven heavens in two days2:26:05 and he gave to each of those heavens its2:26:08 affair2:26:09 or their command so they say look it's2:26:11 clear here2:26:12 that in the first verse that we've2:26:14 mentioned the the creation of the earth2:26:16 is mentioned and then after that2:26:17 the creation of the heaven is mentioned2:26:19 and therefore2:26:20 that shows a clear chronology and that2:26:23 is not2:26:23 a foolish interpretation of the quran2:26:26 because aslan as the default position2:26:28 the word thumma2:26:29 which is critical here is usually used2:26:33 as the arabic grammarians say lit or for2:26:37 subsequent um chronology so if something2:26:40 is saying2:26:41 i did this from this they're saying that2:26:44 they did this2:26:45 and then they did this afterwards and2:26:46 then they did after they did this2:26:48 afterwards2:26:49 but the reality of the situation is that2:26:51 you find in the quran itself2:26:53 examples where thomas is used2:26:55 conjunctively2:26:56 and not as or not used chronologically2:26:59 so for example if you look at chapter2:27:00 number 6 verse2:27:08 and then we gave moses the book2:27:10 completed2:27:15 and from the one who perfected all2:27:18 things and2:27:19 as a detail for everything so even a2:27:22 table he mentions in his tafsir does not2:27:24 mean2:27:24 uh conjunct it does not mean sorry a2:27:27 chronologically subsequent it means here2:27:29 conjunctive so it works like well in2:27:32 other words it doesn't mean2:27:33 something is happening after something2:27:34 else thus we know now as a principle of2:27:38 language that thuma can actually mean2:27:39 something conjunctive2:27:41 and doesn't always have to mean2:27:43 something which is successive2:27:45 in the chronological way but then what2:27:47 do we make of those two verses that2:27:48 we began this uh video with well2:27:52 the the mufasirin of the exeges of islam2:27:55 are in disagreement so for example2:27:58 you'll find qatada2:27:59 one of the early commentators of the2:28:02 quran one of the most2:28:03 foremost commentators of the quran in2:28:05 fact part of the salaf is a tabba2:28:07 himself he believed that the heaven was2:28:10 created before the earth2:28:12 and thus he doesn't believe the word2:28:14 thunder indicates2:28:16 a transition or a subsequent uh movement2:28:19 of chronology likewise many commentators2:28:22 medieval commentators believe the same2:28:24 thing2:28:24 even hayan being one of them2:28:28 being another and obviously these2:28:29 individuals all lived in the medieval2:28:32 period2:28:32 where you'll find that al qaeda oh sorry2:28:36 takes pater's view and he says this is2:28:37 the correct view in sha allah meaning2:28:39 he believes that there was um2:28:42 a a there was no con there was no um2:28:45 chronology indicated in these verses2:28:47 and that's why um actually many people2:28:50 like fakhruddin al-razi2:28:51 and his his does not believe also that2:28:54 that is talking about2:28:55 something in something else so here you2:28:57 have two valid ways of looking at these2:28:59 verses2:29:00 one of them is scientific and the other2:29:02 one is unscientific2:29:04 now for all intents and purposes if2:29:06 we're looking at this2:29:07 just purely exegetically both of those2:29:10 are fine interpretations2:29:12 and both of them both of those2:29:13 interpretations are supported by the2:29:16 language2:29:17 one can have an unscientific2:29:19 understanding and believe that the2:29:20 heaven2:29:21 the earth was created before the heaven2:29:24 and one can have2:29:25 the idea that the earth was create the2:29:28 heaven was created before2:29:29 the earth both of those things are2:29:31 supported in fact2:29:33 when qatar was making his argument he2:29:35 says in chapter 79 verse 302:29:38 that allah he uh delek after that he2:29:42 smoothed over the earth he used this as2:29:44 a kind of evidence to suggest that the2:29:46 the heaven was already there and if we2:29:48 really analyze2:29:49 these two verses that we talked about2:29:51 one in bakara and one in surah2:29:52 al-fusilat2:29:54 it doesn't actually say allah created2:29:57 the heavens after he created the earth2:29:59 and this is critical here2:30:00 it's extremely important he says2:30:05 so he proportioned them as seven heavens2:30:08 and a lot of people don't realize that2:30:09 assamet or the heaven2:30:11 is ishmael is actually more2:30:14 comprehensive2:30:16 than the seven heavens why is that2:30:17 because as-sama includes2:30:19 everything that is above which could2:30:21 include the seven heavens and2:30:23 all those things which are above the2:30:24 seven heaven and in islamic2:30:26 cosmology we have the kursi and arsh2:30:29 which are above the seven heavens but2:30:30 are included in the sama2:30:32 so thus the sama because in2:30:35 the arabic language it means everything2:30:36 that is above includes the seven heavens2:30:39 and includes more than the seven heavens2:30:42 thus if the sama was already created and2:30:44 allah2:30:45 proportioned them as seven heavens it2:30:48 doesn't mean he created them2:30:49 after the event of creating the earth it2:30:52 just means that the2:30:53 the finalization process when it came to2:30:55 proportion had taken place2:30:57 after the earth had already been created2:30:59 but that's something completely2:31:00 metaphysical to us2:31:01 because according to the islamic2:31:03 discourse we live in dunya the first of2:31:05 those seven heavens2:31:06 because the quran says you know we2:31:08 created in sort of2:31:10 we made the we we put basically uh2:31:14 firmaments or2:31:15 luminaries in the uh in the in the first2:31:18 heaven2:31:25 we have created this dunya the first of2:31:29 those heavens2:31:29 with masa which are luminaries and we2:31:32 have made in pelting things for the2:31:34 shelting2:31:34 thus one can legitimately2:31:38 exegetically have an unscientific2:31:40 approach2:31:41 and one can have a completely scientific2:31:43 approach if you wanted to put it this2:31:44 way because2:31:45 it's not just big bang cosmology it's2:31:46 almost all the theories out there2:31:48 would suggest the universe or the fabric2:31:50 of space was created before the earth2:31:52 so one can have that interpretation and2:31:54 one can have the other interpretation2:31:56 it's unscientific but it's2:31:57 unfair it's really unfair to say that2:32:00 the only interpretation2:32:02 which exists of these verses is an2:32:04 unscientific one in fact2:32:06 that is a historical claim above all2:32:08 things2:32:09 because we know that there are people2:32:10 from the south all the way through the2:32:12 medieval times2:32:13 believed that the the heaven was created2:32:16 first the universe was2:32:17 called the universe you can call it the2:32:19 universe the heaven was created before2:32:21 the2:32:21 earth and in fact they use they use2:32:25 the quran itself as an indication of2:32:28 that2:32:28 so these are two valid interpretations2:32:30 one side point2:32:31 some people use a hadith which is2:32:34 mentioned in sahih muslim2:32:35 and in the hadith it says that the earth2:32:37 was created on sunday2:32:39 and then this thing was created on2:32:41 monday2:32:43 and then this thing was created on uh2:32:45 wednesday which sounds like a genesis2:32:47 kind of narrative2:32:48 although this hadith isn't muslim2:32:51 almost all the scholars2:32:54 himself says this hadith is which means2:32:57 it has2:32:58 hidden defects and this hadith is weak2:33:00 it's rejected and there are some hadiths2:33:02 a few of them is muslim and a few of2:33:04 them is2:33:05 which have been spoken about in those2:33:06 terms so that hadith now can't be used2:33:10 as2:33:10 an additional kind of evidence for those2:33:12 individuals who want to2:33:14 push the scientific error narrative2:33:17 because quite frankly it's a weak hadith2:33:19 according to2:33:20 the major scholars of islam in summary2:33:22 in summary we can say2:33:23 there are interpretations of2:33:26 naturalistic verses which are2:33:27 unscientific2:33:28 and this is probably one of the best2:33:31 cases to look at that however2:33:32 one can't just say that and stop there2:33:35 is2:33:36 also or there are also those scholars2:33:39 and exegetes who interpreted the same2:33:41 evidence2:33:42 in a scientific way or in ways which2:33:44 correlate with 21st century science2:33:46 thus the exergy should be left to their2:33:49 own devices2:33:50 and from an islamic perspective this is2:33:52 not a kufri thing2:33:53 someone cannot be a disbeliever for2:33:55 believing either of those things the two2:33:56 valid interpretations2:33:58 but this is a species claim if the claim2:34:01 is2:34:02 the correct interpretation is one was2:34:05 created before the other2:34:06 because we know the language is meaning2:34:09 it's inclusive enough to include both2:34:11 possibilities2:34:12 wasallam alaikum warahmatullahi2:34:19 so let's take a look at what they say2:34:21 they look at chapter 67 verse 52:34:29 where it says that we have thereby2:34:31 adorned2:34:32 the sama dhonia the worldly heaven with2:34:35 luminaries and we have made them pelting2:34:37 things for the devils2:34:38 and they say this means or how could2:34:40 this be the case they question they say2:34:42 how could it be2:34:43 that you have these luminaries in the2:34:46 sky2:34:46 that are pelting devils this is very2:34:49 unscientific they say2:34:51 and moreover they would go and say that2:34:53 it's probably the case2:34:54 that muhammad sallallahu alaihi he2:34:56 confused between the meteors2:34:58 which are very small in size and2:35:00 composition and2:35:02 stars because when they may have seen2:35:04 shooting stars2:35:05 they just they thought that that were2:35:07 that they were actual stars and2:35:08 therefore2:35:09 they argue this is showing you the2:35:12 unscientific nature2:35:13 of the authorship of the quran this is2:35:15 these are really the two arguments that2:35:17 are being made2:35:18 and let's be honest the first argument2:35:20 is a foolish argument2:35:21 because science is predicated on2:35:25 methodological naturalism so what2:35:27 they're doing is a category mistake2:35:29 fallacy2:35:29 they're using something which is2:35:31 predicated on2:35:33 methodological naturalism to detect to2:35:35 attempt to detect2:35:37 that which is clearly in the realms of2:35:39 the metaphysical2:35:40 which is in this case the devil the2:35:42 devil the jinn the angels the2:35:44 heaven hell all of those things are seen2:35:46 as2:35:47 metaphysical things things which are not2:35:49 meant to be detected or tappable by the2:35:52 scientific enterprise by the five2:35:54 senses and thus the first part of their2:35:57 argument is actually uh shame on them2:36:00 really for2:36:00 for having this limited knowledge on2:36:02 this on this kind of thing and2:36:04 entering an arena of polemics with this2:36:06 limited knowledge2:36:07 and embarrassing themselves and2:36:09 everybody else but even2:36:11 more embarrassing is the fact that they2:36:13 are making this2:36:14 supplementary argument now that well the2:36:16 prophet muhammad2:36:18 must have been confusing between the2:36:21 meteors2:36:22 and uh the the the the celestial uh2:36:25 spheres2:36:26 um the uh the the moon the sun2:36:30 the stars all those things all of them2:36:32 are in one category for the prophet2:36:33 and therefore he couldn't distinguish2:36:35 between a small rock-sized meteor2:36:37 and you know a huge2:36:42 star and obviously this is a foolish2:36:44 understanding2:36:45 actually it's a foolish understanding of2:36:46 the verse itself because chapter 652:36:48 verse 5 according to him kathir2:36:51 he says in kathie who's a medieval2:36:53 scholar and exergy of the quran one of2:36:55 the most prolific2:36:56 actually he says it's not the misbah2:36:59 itself it's not the star itself2:37:01 and yes he believes it is2:37:06 is not synonymous with the word stars2:37:08 because2:37:09 means luminaries things which illuminate2:37:11 in the sky which could be anything2:37:13 anything which illuminates from the2:37:15 anthropocentric perspective2:37:16 anything from our humanly perspective2:37:19 which illuminates in the sky could be a2:37:20 misbah because misbaha literally is a2:37:22 lamp2:37:22 but even cathedral takes the view it is2:37:24 the nejuma is the stars and he says2:37:26 he says actually this not the star2:37:28 itself which is pelting the devil2:37:30 he says it's not the star itself but the2:37:33 soul of flame which comes from this2:37:35 from the star and you'll say well this2:37:36 is a long shot how could he say that and2:37:38 why would he say that2:37:39 well actually he was doing tafsir quran2:37:41 quran2:37:42 because he was executing the quran with2:37:45 the quran because we look at chapter 382:37:46 verse number 102:37:48 it says2:37:52 it says except for the one which follows2:37:54 it in course and therefore2:37:57 it follows it shihab which is really a2:38:00 flame2:38:01 uh so here this flame shihabun2:38:05 uh is correlated with what is mentioned2:38:07 in chapter 38 of the quran2:38:11 what allah says2:38:16 we have therefore adorned the heavens2:38:19 with the zena with the adornment of2:38:21 al-qaeda2:38:22 kawakib means once again it could mean2:38:25 stars2:38:25 so here if you correlate the two verses2:38:28 it would suggest to2:38:29 uh to us that actually it's not the star2:38:31 itself but it's the shihab of the star2:38:34 and you say okay well i'm not convinced2:38:36 yet maybe that is the case but i'm not2:38:37 convinced okay if you're not convinced2:38:38 no problem because there's another2:38:39 hadith2:38:40 this one's in bukhari where the prophet2:38:42 himself he said2:38:44 he says it could be the case when he was2:38:46 talking to his companion2:38:48 that that devil is being pelted by2:38:50 shihab2:38:51 once again shahab means a solar flame so2:38:54 even if you look at the sunnah the2:38:55 hadith2:38:56 literature once again we realize that2:38:58 it's not2:38:59 the uh the star itself which is pelting2:39:02 the devil2:39:02 but in fact it is the solar flame which2:39:05 is being emitted from the star2:39:06 which is pelting the devil and once2:39:08 again you'll never be able to see this2:39:10 on a metaphysical perspective but once2:39:12 again it shows the shallow research2:39:14 and the superficial reading cursory2:39:17 reading newspaper reading2:39:19 of those individuals to the islamic2:39:21 literature so this is an education for2:39:23 them and insha'allah will be benefit2:39:25 for everybody else2:39:33 today we're going to be talking about2:39:34 the the matter of six days2:39:36 and what do we mean what does the quran2:39:38 mean when it says six2:39:40 days the universe was created all the2:39:42 heavens and the earth were created in2:39:43 six days2:39:44 does this mean six 24-hour days and if2:39:47 so how is it possible2:39:48 how can it be conceivable that the2:39:51 universe which we know has been around2:39:53 for 13.9 billion years or at least2:39:56 that's what science tells us2:39:57 can in any way have been created2:40:00 in six days well to answer this question2:40:03 really what we have to look at is what2:40:05 the quran actually2:40:06 says and what the quran what the arabic2:40:08 words actually mean2:40:10 to summarize this point really the word2:40:13 yom2:40:14 which the plural of is ayam means any2:40:17 time period2:40:18 and what is the evidence of that the2:40:19 evidence of that is the fact that2:40:21 individuals like alisohani had written2:40:23 in their mahajim2:40:24 their dictionaries long time ago that2:40:28 the word yom is any period of time2:40:32 and that is why the quran has this usage2:40:34 of the term2:40:35 in referencing different periods of time2:40:38 so you'll find2:40:39 in for example surah sajdah chapter 322:40:42 of the quran2:40:43 in verse number 10. allah subhanahu wa2:40:45 talah says2:40:53 that he that god controls the affair2:40:56 from2:40:56 the heavens to the earth and then it2:40:59 ascends back2:41:00 uh to him in a day effiomin2:41:08 that was a thousand years from how you2:41:10 count or from your reckoning2:41:12 so clearly here the word yom is used in2:41:14 reference to a thousand years2:41:16 and likewise in chapter seventy verse2:41:18 five in surah marriage2:41:20 it talks about the day of judgment it2:41:21 says2:41:26 in a day which its length is 502:41:29 000 years so how could it be that you2:41:31 have one day that's 1 000 years2:41:33 and another day which is 50 000 years2:41:35 well even at best2:41:37 uh the cousin of the prophet muhammed2:41:39 and the most2:41:40 qualified person after the prophet to2:41:43 ever deal with exegesis2:41:45 he actually replies to this question by2:41:47 saying these are two different days2:41:49 and this is mentioned in sahih bukhari2:41:50 the most authentic book after the quran2:41:53 he says2:41:57 these are two completely different days2:42:00 and so therefore you know a day in2:42:03 summary could be2:42:04 any period of time when allah talks2:42:07 about the creations of the heavens and2:42:08 the earth in six2:42:10 days it could mean six2:42:13 24-hour days that's a possible meaning2:42:15 but that's not the only meaning2:42:16 it could mean any period of six days2:42:19 so really or six periods of time2:42:23 therefore this contention that well the2:42:25 universe is 13.9 billion years2:42:28 and how could the quran say in six days2:42:30 is a2:42:31 fundamentally flawed uh question to2:42:33 begin with because2:42:34 the sixth period of time could mean any2:42:37 period of time well i think really2:42:38 what's happening here is2:42:40 that there has been a conflation there2:42:42 has been a superimposition2:42:44 of the genesis narrative as per2:42:47 um evangelical kind of fundamentalists2:42:49 if you want to call it that2:42:50 or literalist readings of of genesis2:42:53 chapter one chapter two chapter five as2:42:55 well2:42:56 looking at all those um you know lineage2:42:58 models that are mentioned in genesis2:43:00 chapter five in particular2:43:01 adding them all up and then coming to um2:43:04 you know conclusion that is six thousand2:43:05 years2:43:06 and we don't have the equivalent of2:43:08 genesis chapter 5 in the quran2:43:10 we don't have the equivalent of genesis2:43:12 chapter 5 in the hadith2:43:14 so this is not our really our contention2:43:18 because quite frankly it's not something2:43:20 we have to deal with2:43:21 so in some in some you know2:43:24 the day could mean any period of time2:43:26 and so it's not in conflict with2:43:29 the fact that the universe could have2:43:30 been 14 billion years2:43:32 or it could be more than that it could2:43:33 be less than that and really we don't2:43:35 know how long the universe2:43:36 has been around for obviously big bang2:43:39 cosmology would2:43:40 would bring us to the conclusion that's2:43:41 been 13.9 billion years but2:43:43 science is far from incorrigible and far2:43:46 from producing of eternal truths2:43:49 so we remain if you like happy to accept2:43:52 whatever science says and there's no2:43:54 conflict2:43:55 at all between believing in a model of2:43:57 the universe that is 13.9 billion years2:44:00 and believing the quran that's fine but2:44:03 we don't need to be dogmatic2:44:04 on what it is that the quran says uh2:44:08 what it means by six periods nor do we2:44:10 need to be dogmatic at all2:44:11 about the universe being 13.9 billion2:44:14 years2:44:14 and i hope that answers the question2:44:16 wassalamualaikum2:44:20 today i'm going to be speaking about2:44:21 something which is actually littered all2:44:23 over the kind of2:44:24 anti-islamic websites a species argument2:44:26 really2:44:27 an argument saying that the you know the2:44:30 quran and hadith or islam2:44:32 in this primary text indicates that the2:44:34 earth is flat2:44:35 let's take a look at the quran and the2:44:38 commentaries of the early people because2:44:39 i think that's a very important place to2:44:41 start2:44:41 so if you look at the entirety of the2:44:43 quran from fatiha until nest you'll find2:44:46 that really the earth is being referred2:44:48 to in different ways2:44:49 you know in surat al-baqarah for example2:44:51 the very first2:44:53 chapter after surah al-fattah had the2:44:54 second chapter in the quran2:44:56 allah says2:45:04 you know he is the one who has made for2:45:06 you the earth2:45:07 as a spread if you like and he sent down2:45:10 from the sky2:45:12 water and if you look at the 88th2:45:14 chapter of the quran2:45:15 allah subhanahu wa he asks some2:45:18 cool questions and one of them one of2:45:21 those rhetorical questions is2:45:22 have you not seen the earth and how it's2:45:25 sort how allah has made it smoothed it2:45:29 over2:45:30 for this reason some people actually in2:45:32 the early times as well as2:45:34 those individuals who are indicating2:45:36 that this is the only interpretation2:45:37 islam2:45:37 are saying that well look the quran is2:45:40 indicating that the earth is flat2:45:41 they'll even look at2:45:43 chapter number um chapter number 78 of2:45:46 the quran2:45:46 where in the beginning of the surah2:45:48 allah says2:45:53 have we not made the earth as a bed2:45:56 and this is another argument so our bed2:45:58 is flat and therefore the earth is2:45:59 indicated as flat2:46:01 this is not the case uh because as early2:46:05 commentators have indicated2:46:06 people like ibn hasem who is a you know2:46:10 4th century 5th century scholar someone2:46:12 who was not influenced and could not2:46:15 have been actually influenced by2:46:17 modern scientific discussions he says in2:46:20 his book al-fisal2:46:22 he mentions that the quran indicates2:46:25 that the earth is round and his argument2:46:27 is in chapter 39 verse 52:46:29 allah says2:46:41 god says he rolls the day into the night2:46:44 and he rolls the night into the day2:46:46 and he has made subservient for you then2:46:48 the the2:46:49 champs the sun and the moon the camera2:46:52 and2:46:52 every single one of those are running in2:46:54 an orbit2:46:57 to a time appointed to a place appointed2:47:01 so in other words chapter 39 verse 5 he2:47:03 says2:47:04 that taking place2:47:08 could not have been or could not be a2:47:10 taqueria that takes place2:47:11 on a flat surface he says that the2:47:13 taquer comes from the arab word quran2:47:15 which2:47:15 which indicates that by necessity this2:47:18 would mean2:47:19 that the night is rolling into or onto a2:47:22 spherical kind of surface and2:47:26 likewise the day and therefore the earth2:47:28 is round according to the quran so how2:47:29 does he explain and other scholars2:47:31 explain2:47:31 those other verses which we started this2:47:33 this discussion with2:47:34 which indicate that the earth is uh you2:47:38 know it's been it's been stretched out2:47:40 mood that or it's been uh you know2:47:42 spread out and so on and so forth2:47:44 he says well if you look on a you know2:47:47 for example2:47:48 if you look at a plane of the earth the2:47:50 earth word in2:47:51 in the first place actually means the2:47:52 ground below so2:47:54 as we're looking at the ground below2:47:55 we're seeing that it's been smoothed2:47:58 over2:47:58 in opposition to for example you know2:48:00 the creators of the moon2:48:02 so if you look at the moon and look at2:48:04 the kind of the2:48:05 the the the ground on the moon the2:48:08 craters on the moon is very bumpy2:48:10 whereas the earth uh the you know2:48:13 the surface of the earth is very smooth2:48:16 and that's how they're able to harmonize2:48:17 between the two2:48:18 kinds of verses likewise ibn tamiya and2:48:21 his kitab2:48:22 al-arsh which is part of majma to tower2:48:25 a literalist in his own right or2:48:27 apparentist wherever2:48:28 you want to put it someone who looks at2:48:30 the quran and doesn't even believe in2:48:32 metaphor in the quran this is one of the2:48:33 only2:48:34 people in the history of islam who's2:48:35 actually said we don't i don't even2:48:36 believe in2:48:37 such a thing as a metaphor in the quran2:48:39 he says that the earth2:48:40 is round and he he in fact even quotes2:48:43 an ichman2:48:44 he he quotes a consensus among the2:48:47 scholars on this on this point2:48:49 now this view he says in the mia goes2:48:52 all the way back to the early generation2:48:54 to a person who has a chain of narration2:48:57 called ibn muneda2:48:58 so ibn munada is someone who comes in2:49:00 the fourth century or the third century2:49:02 and who says that the earth is round2:49:05 and he is one of the students of ahmed2:49:08 ibrahim another person who2:49:11 he will he wasn't going to metaphorize2:49:13 verses of the quran especially those2:49:15 cosmological ones which could be2:49:16 referring to certain2:49:17 phenomena therefore i think in some if2:49:20 we were to be fair to the tradition2:49:23 i think the most that can be said in2:49:25 terms of making an argument against the2:49:27 quran is that the quran can be2:49:29 interpreted2:49:29 as saying the earth is flat but you2:49:31 can't say that that is the only valid2:49:33 interpretation2:49:34 that's an impossible thing to say in2:49:36 fact it's historical because2:49:38 it's something which has been disproven2:49:40 by the very fact2:49:41 that the most apparentist and literalist2:49:43 scholars of the early times2:49:45 people like ibn hasem who was avari he2:49:48 was someone who is a literalist2:49:50 he you know it does not believe in ks2:49:52 analogy or2:49:53 someone like him in tamiya who does not2:49:54 believe in majes2:49:56 or metaphorization of the quran people2:49:59 like that2:49:59 and ahmed ibrahim and his ashab people2:50:02 like even monada they said the earth was2:50:04 round2:50:04 and they based their view on2:50:08 their base their view on the quran and2:50:09 the verses of it so2:50:11 this species argument that's leveled2:50:14 the quran or islam is exactly that it's2:50:18 it's really a weak argument with very2:50:21 little2:50:22 explanatory or refutational power when2:50:25 it comes to the2:50:26 historical exegetical works of the2:50:29 muslim scholars2:50:30 and so for this reason we say this2:50:33 is a null and void refutation which i2:50:36 can't even believe quite frankly i can't2:50:38 even2:50:38 fathom how this has made the top2:50:42 10 of the most if you like2:50:46 popular interrogations against islam2:50:49 in these weak websites against islam i2:50:53 can't believe it that people actually2:50:54 take these arguments2:50:56 as carrying any kind of weight and they2:50:58 continually use these arguments despite2:51:00 the fact2:51:01 that the evidences have been shown time2:51:03 and time2:51:04 again but these people are not ready and2:51:08 listen2:51:08 uh ready and willing to listen to this2:51:09 evidence so we just have to2:51:11 put it out there feminist2:51:15 the quran says whoever wants to can2:51:17 believe and whoever wants to2:51:19 can disbelieve wassalamualaikum2:51:24 well i hope all of those videos that you2:51:27 have just watched or indeed if you have2:51:29 just even watched some of those videos2:51:32 were able to challenge your thought2:51:36 process2:51:37 or satiate your curiosity we would like2:51:40 your feedback2:51:41 if you are someone who was suffering2:51:43 from some kind of doubt2:51:45 whether or not this series has helped2:51:48 you so we will link2:51:50 a poll where you can tell us2:51:53 whether how satisfied and convinced you2:51:55 have been2:51:56 with the answers you have been given2:51:58 this will give us a chance an2:52:00 opportunity2:52:01 to be able to introspect and to2:52:03 self-reflect2:52:04 and to improve our service positive2:52:07 reinforcement is as good as negative2:52:08 reinforcement and vice versa2:52:10 so tell us what you think needs to be2:52:12 changed2:52:14 by emailing us on the email below2:52:18 or indeed as i've mentioned by telling2:52:20 us2:52:21 by polling how convincing you have2:52:23 thought these2:52:24 answers to be the conclusion of all of2:52:27 this2:52:28 is the approach of trying to use2:52:32 science to attack islam has really2:52:35 failed being a failed approach not least2:52:38 because2:52:40 science it assumes scientism the idea2:52:43 that science is2:52:44 omniscient if you like as one of its2:52:47 presuppositions2:52:49 scientism is something which is almost2:52:51 rejected fully2:52:53 by the philosophical community except2:52:56 in evangelical corners of new atheist2:53:00 propaganda and so2:53:03 the interlocutor who believes in this2:53:06 must really come forward and explain2:53:07 himself2:53:08 or herself as to why they believe in2:53:10 scientism is true in the first place or2:53:12 how can it be2:53:13 demonstrably proven to be true2:53:16 the truth of the matter is as we have2:53:18 been showing throughout this series2:53:21 the quran has an inbuilt flexibility and2:53:25 facilitation2:53:27 which allows people from the 7th century2:53:29 all the way through to the 21st century2:53:31 and beyond2:53:32 to be able to make sense of the book2:53:35 according to the cosmologies2:53:37 and modern day scientific theories of2:53:40 the day2:53:42 in other words i don't have to as a2:53:44 muslim2:53:45 sacrifice my understanding of science in2:53:49 order to be a practicing muslim2:53:51 i don't have to have some kind of2:53:54 cognitive dissonance2:53:55 in seeing an observable reality in one2:53:57 way and approaching the text in another2:54:00 i don't have to resort to huge2:54:02 conspiracy theories2:54:04 relating to this to the age of the2:54:05 universe and the existence or lack2:54:08 thereof2:54:08 of dinosaurs or the coexistence of2:54:11 dinosaurs as human beings2:54:12 or any of the kind of propaganda that2:54:14 we're seeing with new age2:54:16 uh literalists from the christian from2:54:20 our christian co-religionists we don't2:54:21 need to do any of that2:54:23 we can and this is unique within the2:54:26 islamic tradition2:54:27 maintain an absolute2:54:31 for the most part literal understanding2:54:33 where the language is2:54:35 clearly literal of the naturalistic2:54:38 verses2:54:39 and not be out of line with that which2:54:42 we generally know to be observed reality2:54:45 uh today in the 21st century i think2:54:48 this is something2:54:49 which can easily be argued to be unique2:54:51 to the islamic tradition2:54:53 and something which once again allows2:54:56 a rational person to be able to make2:55:00 life decisions about religion which2:55:03 doesn't compromise2:55:05 a rationality for spirituality or vice2:55:08 versa2:55:09 this removes cognitive dissonance from2:55:11 the equation and allows someone to2:55:13 become2:55:14 fully actualized spiritually and2:55:16 rationally2:55:17 and this is why uh you could argue2:55:21 one of the clear reasons this2:55:22 multi-layered approach of the quran of2:55:24 facilitation2:55:26 why a proof you could say2:55:29 of the quranic authorship from a divine2:55:32 all knowing or wise god2:55:37 was allah2:55:46 you