Sapience Live: May to Aug 2022 Update and Q&A (2022-09-05) ​

0:00:12 and sisters and friends and welcome to
0:00:14 the sapience institute
0:00:16 live
0:00:17 where we're going to be updating you on
0:00:19 what we've been doing for the past four
0:00:21 months and hopefully answering your
0:00:23 questions on islamic fall and answering
0:00:25 your questions about the content that we
0:00:27 produce concerning the philosophy of
0:00:29 science theory of philosophical issues
0:00:31 responding to the detractors and
0:00:33 contentions
0:00:35 our books you know i want you to ask
0:00:36 questions about dr uthmanity's book the
0:00:38 divine perfection his forthcoming book
0:00:40 that we're going to be talking about
0:00:42 our forthcoming courses talk about the
0:00:44 current courses it is open-ended
0:00:47 brothers and sisters
0:00:49 so you are now in the house as we say
0:00:53 and you could
0:00:54 just ask any questions but before we do
0:00:56 that i just want to give salaam to our
0:00:57 beloved
0:00:59 our beautiful in and out brother
0:01:02 uthman the thief
0:01:06 is good
0:01:15 i know you've been working very hard you
0:01:17 messaged me the other day saying
0:01:19 you're gonna get
0:01:20 a full full-blown draft book this month
0:01:28 we're going to be talking about that but
0:01:29 i just want everyone to know or give
0:01:33 everyone an update in terms of what
0:01:34 we've been doing for the past four
0:01:35 months
0:01:36 so the way i'm going to do this yes it's
0:01:39 a bit cheeky i'm going to share my
0:01:40 instagram page right so what i'm going
0:01:42 to do
0:01:43 is just quickly share the page
0:01:45 the chrome tab there we go
0:01:48 and i'm just going to update you guys on
0:01:51 what we've been doing
0:01:53 so very quickly
0:01:55 first and foremost we want to say
0:01:58 allah bless you reward your grant you
0:01:59 and your family is the best in this life
0:02:02 and the best in the life to come
0:02:04 concerning your support any type of your
0:02:07 support your dwaras your financial
0:02:09 support
0:02:10 your critical feedback your
0:02:12 psychological support your intellectual
0:02:14 support your social media support any
0:02:16 type of support that you have even if
0:02:17 it's through intention and not action
0:02:19 may allah grant you the best in this
0:02:21 life and in the life to come so just a
0:02:23 really quick update in terms of what
0:02:25 we've been doing from may to august
0:02:27 the reason we say may to august because
0:02:30 it's september now and and may because
0:02:33 our operational year starts in the month
0:02:34 of may so the first thing i want to tell
0:02:37 you guys is that we have some amazing
0:02:40 courses that we're planning so
0:02:42 we've been working on and planning 10
0:02:44 new in-depth courses
0:02:46 and they're going to be filming this
0:02:47 operation here inshallah they're going
0:02:49 to be made freely available on our
0:02:50 learning platform if you go to
0:02:52 learn.sapienceinstitute.org
0:02:55 you could register for for free and we
0:02:56 have around 10 10 or 11 in-depth courses
0:02:59 currently on there anyway we have
0:03:01 courses by myself shafatus
0:03:04 rasheed and others
0:03:06 and phenomenal courses concerning
0:03:08 christology theo philosophical issues
0:03:11 concerning the divine perfection which
0:03:14 is dr manatee's book
0:03:16 we have iman hussain's course on the
0:03:18 divine reality which is based on my book
0:03:20 and
0:03:21 so much more and you have presentation
0:03:23 slides and multiple choice questions and
0:03:25 this october inshallah we're going to
0:03:26 film three courses on the inimitability
0:03:29 of the quran the ages of the quran from
0:03:31 a linguistic literary perspective
0:03:33 and we have a in-depth course on the
0:03:36 fitra on the innate disposition and we
0:03:38 have an amazing course
0:03:41 by an academic on the islamic response
0:03:44 of the postmodern and liberal discourse
0:03:46 on gender and sexuality
0:03:50 now we have new books on impact for
0:03:51 translations we have at least two new
0:03:53 books that are being written one of them
0:03:55 by doctor osman the chief we don't have
0:03:56 a title yet but the book by the way
0:03:58 we're going to explore the book in a few
0:04:00 moments with doctors manatees but the
0:04:02 book focuses on the essential
0:04:03 characteristics behaviors and psychology
0:04:06 that need to be internalized by those
0:04:08 who share and defend islam and the book
0:04:10 takes a deep dive into the quran the
0:04:12 prophetic way and by the way this book
0:04:14 is not just for you it's for us it's for
0:04:16 me because i need this more than anybody
0:04:18 else alhamdulillah
0:04:20 we also have planned three new
0:04:21 translations of arabic scholarly work
0:04:24 carefully selected to make an impact for
0:04:26 example by the end of january next year
0:04:29 2023 our partner wordsmiths will have
0:04:32 completed the translation of ibm
0:04:34 tamiya's book on the the
0:04:36 as
0:04:37 the explanation of
0:04:41 which is a very unique book it's not
0:04:44 translated in the english language and
0:04:45 it's going to make a field philosophical
0:04:47 impact in the contemporary discourse in
0:04:49 sha allah and the introduction an
0:04:52 introduction is going to be written by
0:04:53 muhammad
0:04:55 because he's doing a phd on this issue
0:04:57 research our personnel are continuing
0:04:59 research on a formal level phds we're
0:05:01 doing phds that are relevant on the
0:05:03 contingency argument on the nature
0:05:05 religion and science and we're also
0:05:07 doing extracurricular in-depth research
0:05:09 on prophetic history and apologetics in
0:05:11 general and this influence and this
0:05:13 research influences our work and it's
0:05:16 going to be part of forming new books
0:05:19 brand new books after this operational
0:05:21 year
0:05:22 new video series and new videos we have
0:05:24 produced and published new videos on our
0:05:26 youtube channel and a new series is
0:05:28 starting this month insha'allah by
0:05:29 muhammad hijab this in in this september
0:05:33 and the videos we produce aim to address
0:05:35 destructive doubts and empower you to
0:05:37 intellectually share and defend islam
0:05:40 on-site education and discussions
0:05:44 our instructors our speakers have been
0:05:46 traveling
0:05:47 all around delivering workshops
0:05:50 engaging in discussions
0:05:53 and delivering seminars and so on and so
0:05:55 forth and for example we have we had and
0:05:59 we have to sneam he's been traveling the
0:06:01 u.s delivering various workshops
0:06:03 lectures and seminars on islamic foreign
0:06:05 he also delivered an advanced training
0:06:07 course to madrasa students on how to
0:06:09 mentor other people and on contemporary
0:06:12 issues and we also have and we can't
0:06:14 announce who when and what but we have a
0:06:17 really big inshallah a big big
0:06:20 discussion taking place in london
0:06:22 in september it's going to be huge but
0:06:24 we can't publicize it
0:06:27 and we can't see much at the moment but
0:06:28 it's massive inshallah so make dua for
0:06:30 that
0:06:31 in-depth online seminars we've been
0:06:33 producing in-depth online seminars you
0:06:34 can find on youtube and you can find on
0:06:37 our website and you can download the
0:06:39 presentation slides for example i
0:06:41 delivered a seminar on loving the loving
0:06:42 why allah is worthy of our adoration we
0:06:45 went through ali ghazali's five causes
0:06:47 for love we went through seven reasons
0:06:48 why our lives were utmost love we talked
0:06:51 about the relationship between knowledge
0:06:52 and love we talked about how to attain
0:06:54 allah's special love and we took this
0:06:56 and much more and we tried to show you
0:06:58 how to explain this in a double context
0:07:01 how do you get a non-muslim
0:07:03 and intellectually using this amazing
0:07:05 topic of love and
0:07:07 get them to connect with allah subhanahu
0:07:08 wata and to uncloud the innate
0:07:10 disposition that fits to awaken the
0:07:12 truth within
0:07:13 obviously we have our amazing project
0:07:15 lighthouse mentoring project managed by
0:07:17 our beloved yusuf ponders
0:07:19 and we have expanded lighthouse
0:07:21 mentoring which mentors do art imams
0:07:23 parents and activists and also we do
0:07:26 with people who have left islam new
0:07:27 muslims and people have questions and
0:07:30 this project has been expanded we have
0:07:32 new mentors alhamdulillah and we've
0:07:35 expanded it into the spanish language
0:07:37 and we have the podcast sapient voices
0:07:41 we have recorded new episodes and
0:07:44 published and we i'm recording one this
0:07:47 thursday with abdullah al and lucy and
0:07:50 i've recorded one with sheffield
0:07:52 and others and they're all coming out
0:07:54 slowly but surely
0:07:56 inshallah sapient retreats yes we
0:07:59 organized in august of retreat an
0:08:01 immersive knowledge retreat in istanbul
0:08:03 and people came from all around the
0:08:04 world from uk from south africa from los
0:08:07 angeles and the focus of the retreat was
0:08:10 to empower muslims to understand the
0:08:11 islamic and western tradition and to
0:08:13 address destructive doubts for example i
0:08:15 delivered our landmark course no doubt
0:08:18 to the participants and we're planning
0:08:19 another retreat it's a leadership
0:08:21 retreat in istanbul in the istanbul area
0:08:23 this october the end of october in sha
0:08:25 allah and it's going to be very very
0:08:27 cheap it's going to be immersive and
0:08:29 it's going to be for people who want to
0:08:30 make an impact in the tower and the way
0:08:32 we're going to try and do that is we're
0:08:33 going to give people a vision and a
0:08:34 strategy it's going to be a vision
0:08:36 strategy exercise it's going to be
0:08:38 spiritual it's going to be tajiw prayer
0:08:39 it's going to be quran it's going to be
0:08:41 workshops activities watch this space in
0:08:43 sha allah
0:08:45 collaboration is supporting the dao
0:08:46 sector and this is something close to my
0:08:48 heart yesterday i had two meetings for
0:08:50 example
0:08:51 with board members of a very large dao
0:08:54 organization
0:08:55 and we're there to help we're there to
0:08:57 help behind the scenes and we do this a
0:08:58 lot we help behind the scenes we try and
0:09:00 upgrade the dao optimize people's dollar
0:09:03 we give our service and we're going to
0:09:04 continue to collaborate with other
0:09:06 organizations and influentials to
0:09:07 achieve
0:09:08 the dollar goals and this includes for
0:09:11 example a forthcoming extensive course
0:09:13 on islamic thought in dawa addressing
0:09:15 destructive doubts and so much more to
0:09:17 imams and specialists and we have great
0:09:20 connections with like academy where with
0:09:23 a new organization called nurabi with
0:09:25 seville and so on and so forth and we're
0:09:27 there to offer them our services for
0:09:29 example dr manateef is going to deliver
0:09:32 a course for seville concerning doubts
0:09:34 which is part of our
0:09:36 curriculum and our personnel generally
0:09:39 speaking we give dao we support
0:09:40 activists influencers and organizations
0:09:43 and we meant to others as well for
0:09:45 example i was on the three three muslims
0:09:47 podcast i gave a presentation on the
0:09:49 scientific era's narrative in the quran
0:09:51 i showed how the quran is multi-layered
0:09:53 timeless and there is no error and went
0:09:56 into the classical tradition we used we
0:09:58 we
0:09:59 we conveyed things that hasn't really
0:10:01 been conveyed in the english language
0:10:02 before alhamdulillah so brothers and
0:10:04 sisters this is a nutshell what we've
0:10:07 been doing
0:10:08 and i want you guys to
0:10:11 just now ask questions and what i'm
0:10:13 going to do first and foremost is remove
0:10:15 this
0:10:16 bring our beloved
0:10:18 fat to steam in the house
0:10:23 his house was uh electrocuted by a
0:10:25 thunderbolt
0:10:28 it didn't come down or anything so it's
0:10:29 all right okay
0:10:31 just went out so it's not nothing to
0:10:33 this thing
0:10:35 yeah so brothers this is that's the kind
0:10:38 of summary what we've done in the past
0:10:40 uh four months and we've been preparing
0:10:42 and researching and so on and so forth
0:10:44 and now it's we're running forward
0:10:46 insha'allah we want to get all of these
0:10:48 things done to
0:10:50 make an impact in the dollar so before i
0:10:52 open you guys out
0:10:54 but not you guys are open out to further
0:10:56 questions and answers let's first and
0:10:58 foremost say hello to sheffield then
0:11:00 we'll talk to first and foremost uh
0:11:03 secondly to talk to us my latest about
0:11:05 the forthcoming book but anyway shaq
0:11:07 fired how's it going talk to us about
0:11:08 sapience us sure bismillah
0:11:17 we've been uh
0:11:18 doing a lot man i've been just uh doing
0:11:20 a lot of traveling and that's you know
0:11:23 uh it's it's come out with many many
0:11:25 good fruits um you know i got a we
0:11:28 traveled up to chicago which was very
0:11:30 beneficial alhamdulillah we visited um
0:11:33 over there went through some intensive
0:11:35 training with uh some of the mothers
0:11:37 students
0:11:39 and it really did show that there's a
0:11:42 big need for the work that sapiens is
0:11:44 doing
0:11:45 and we got you know and i was you know
0:11:47 experienced that firsthand some of the
0:11:49 mothers students they're talking seventh
0:11:50 year
0:11:51 having studied islam for seven years
0:11:53 these are her fathers of quran they've
0:11:54 gone to hadith and philip and all the
0:11:56 things that you can imagine
0:11:58 and they reach their seventh year and
0:11:59 now like okay wait a minute there's a
0:12:01 certain gap here
0:12:02 like we need to know how to deal with
0:12:03 some of these issues
0:12:05 and yet we don't have the practical on
0:12:07 hand like on ground training to do that
0:12:09 so
0:12:10 we were able to talk to them and spend
0:12:12 you know good you know i think a full
0:12:13 day and a half
0:12:14 i spend with them
0:12:16 taking them to some of our our main
0:12:18 content
0:12:19 so that was very beneficial then we had
0:12:21 an open community event which was the
0:12:23 divine reality
0:12:24 which we took them through alhamdulillah
0:12:26 that was very well received
0:12:28 and then the no doubt course has been
0:12:30 going around
0:12:31 the entire country man alhamdulillah and
0:12:33 that's been going community community
0:12:35 and again that's been very well received
0:12:37 as well um so
0:12:39 in a nutshell that's what's been going
0:12:40 on uh in addition to the development of
0:12:44 the two new courses that uh child will
0:12:46 be recording in october one will be on
0:12:48 the fifth ra
0:12:49 and
0:12:50 i'm very very excited about that course
0:12:52 uh i've been doing a lot of really
0:12:54 interesting research in that area
0:12:56 and i think it's it's gonna be it's
0:12:58 gonna be a lot of a lot of good
0:13:00 information to people to get people to
0:13:02 the point where they can be very very
0:13:04 um empowered about their iman
0:13:07 and not only empowered about their iman
0:13:09 but in power to the point where they can
0:13:10 actually share islam
0:13:12 in a way that is very holistic and
0:13:14 that's something that i think is very
0:13:16 needed in the dao right now is to have a
0:13:18 holistic approach and this course
0:13:21 inshallah
0:13:22 inshallah will give us um some of those
0:13:25 foundations that we need to to take that
0:13:27 holistic approach as we're dealing with
0:13:28 human beings that's one and then the
0:13:30 second course as i'm sure you probably
0:13:31 mentioned before i got on was our course
0:13:33 on the quran which i'm also very excited
0:13:36 about because i don't think there's
0:13:38 um at least in the taoist space i don't
0:13:40 see a lot of um
0:13:42 quranic dawa going on right and maybe
0:13:45 that's my own uh my own perception of it
0:13:48 but i think this will fill a big gap in
0:13:50 in the dao and it will provide a great
0:13:53 great resource and great tool for for
0:13:55 duat um
0:13:56 and people that are you know going
0:13:58 through islam and maybe having doubts
0:14:00 and having to deal with you know their
0:14:01 own kids and things like that um the
0:14:04 other area that's that's also that's
0:14:06 opened up in the us specifically
0:14:09 is we've been
0:14:10 you know a lot of islamic schools have
0:14:12 reached out to us because they're
0:14:14 starting to see that there are certain
0:14:15 foundational
0:14:17 matters that we have to speak about
0:14:19 that let's say
0:14:20 you know without hopefully being thrown
0:14:22 under the bus for this that traditional
0:14:24 aki the text won't really cover right um
0:14:27 i was talking with one of the lighthouse
0:14:28 sessions today and i told the brothers
0:14:30 said like i really like studying
0:14:32 classical akita texts
0:14:34 and i said you know they're really good
0:14:36 but we really need to start thinking
0:14:38 about dealing with the akita matters of
0:14:40 our day and age
0:14:42 right one of the
0:14:43 issues is that when you see anaki the
0:14:45 text we have to realize that it's it's
0:14:46 it's it's written based on the issues of
0:14:48 that time period but we're now in a new
0:14:50 time period so our the text if we're
0:14:53 going to call it that or how we teach it
0:14:56 we have to stay with the times and have
0:14:58 a yeah and just to be just to be just to
0:15:00 clarify what i think you mean as well
0:15:03 just for our theologically sensitive
0:15:05 audiences
0:15:07 what shepherd is trying to say i believe
0:15:09 is that
0:15:10 we take
0:15:12 the classical texts and we apply them in
0:15:15 a contemporary fashion meaning we take
0:15:17 the underlying basis the essence of the
0:15:20 quran and the sunnah the methodology
0:15:23 what they were talking about and were
0:15:25 applying in our period just like some of
0:15:27 the akita textbooks were applied for a
0:15:29 particular period maybe there was some
0:15:30 friction with other sex in islam that's
0:15:33 what you'd have for example an apide
0:15:35 line for example if you reject wiping
0:15:38 over the socks you know stuff like that
0:15:40 right because there was a friction and
0:15:41 narrative going on at that time so we're
0:15:44 not saying that we're not classically
0:15:45 grounded of course we are we're just
0:15:47 standing on the shoulders of giants and
0:15:48 we're taking the methodology
0:15:50 not just their statements their
0:15:52 methodology was probably more important
0:15:53 and applying it in a contemporary
0:15:56 fashion so for example if i had we had a
0:15:57 meeting yesterday and you were talking
0:15:58 about that you delivered something on
0:16:00 lgtbq plus and all of these post-modern
0:16:04 neoliberal narratives yeah and you were
0:16:06 supposed to deliver it in about 70
0:16:08 minutes but you delivered it in three
0:16:09 hours
0:16:10 but i think 145 minutes and i delivered
0:16:12 it
0:16:14 so what was really amazing is when you
0:16:16 said to me that
0:16:17 um there was about 300 people in the
0:16:20 masjid
0:16:21 yeah they're expecting they were
0:16:22 expecting i think 40 people
0:16:25 and i think someone said they were about
0:16:27 300 you know so tell me what happened
0:16:29 after so i know but tell the audiences
0:16:33 what happened after in terms of the need
0:16:35 and how we need to respond in a
0:16:37 compassionate way but yet in a
0:16:38 theologically assertive and powerful way
0:16:41 right to show that we have the correct
0:16:44 world view as muslims right yeah no i
0:16:46 mean so the response was was very good
0:16:48 even considering that i went way over
0:16:50 time
0:16:51 um you know even till
0:16:54 i would say this morning at fajr
0:16:55 basically because it's it's
0:16:57 it's the masjid that i did it as my own
0:16:58 local masjid so
0:17:00 even this morning someone said look have
0:17:01 you recorded the session and when are
0:17:03 you gonna when are you gonna post it
0:17:05 because i really benefited i think one
0:17:07 of the brothers said um
0:17:09 he says uh you know i i learned a lot
0:17:11 and i didn't know much and then he
0:17:13 stopped and said i probably didn't know
0:17:14 about 90 about what you said you know
0:17:17 that was new knowledge to me in other
0:17:18 words and it's because it's touching on
0:17:20 an issue that we are at least in the
0:17:22 west are dealing with firsthand so a lot
0:17:25 of these people that are coming are
0:17:26 doctors uh for instance one of them said
0:17:28 look i i have patients that come in
0:17:30 and they've already gone through let's
0:17:32 say transgender uh surgery right they've
0:17:34 already gone through reconstructive
0:17:35 surgery and now i have to you know
0:17:38 prescribe something to them and so on
0:17:39 and so forth so we're dealing with this
0:17:41 in the workplace in the schools in
0:17:43 colleges
0:17:44 and it just kind of shows that there's
0:17:46 an immense amount of
0:17:48 interest and an immense amount of
0:17:51 um eagerness to find out how does the
0:17:53 islamic paradigm deal with these issues
0:17:56 how are we as muslims supposed to
0:17:58 function and move forward in a way that
0:18:00 is that is true to our tradition
0:18:03 and at the same time it's something
0:18:05 that's proactive right because a lot of
0:18:06 times that the reaction it's always been
0:18:08 a reactive approach all right so we have
0:18:10 to we have to take almost like a
0:18:11 defensive position
0:18:13 and i think it's getting to the point
0:18:14 where
0:18:15 people are starting to see okay well
0:18:16 hold on a second we need to we need to
0:18:17 have our own narrative
0:18:19 as leaders in a moral space
0:18:22 and this is very important you know
0:18:23 that's very that's a very profound way
0:18:25 of playing and what's very exciting we
0:18:27 have
0:18:29 a an academic delivering a course on
0:18:31 these type of issues for a learning
0:18:32 platform in october but not only that
0:18:33 you're going to be taking that material
0:18:35 yeah and you're going to be making it
0:18:37 digestible to various audiences all
0:18:39 around north america and hopefully even
0:18:42 in europe inshallah there's a lot of
0:18:43 exciting things happen exactly here bro
0:18:45 so let me quickly speak to dr usman
0:18:47 latif right you've been busy busy busy
0:18:50 you are our
0:18:51 prolific writer officially henceforth
0:18:54 i am i am i am having some suspicions
0:18:58 that you're not human you must be an
0:19:00 octopus with eight arms and doing many
0:19:02 things right and then and octopuses by
0:19:04 the way are very intelligent you know
0:19:06 that they're very very smart you know
0:19:08 there's this
0:19:09 uh video on youtube about octopuses
0:19:11 anyway
0:19:12 how are you doing it how on earth do you
0:19:14 do it how do you write like 30 000 words
0:19:16 in a very short relatively short period
0:19:18 of time and what are you writing about
0:19:20 now and why do you think it's important
0:19:22 and what are you excited about
0:19:24 smelly great seeing you guys and um
0:19:27 and you know i i once ate octopuses you
0:19:30 know
0:19:31 i was uh yeah i was on the city harbor
0:19:33 with the sheikh
0:19:35 sheikh uh
0:19:40 and uh we were taken by a millionaire
0:19:44 yacht owner an arab lebanese
0:19:46 and uh and on that day we stopped by the
0:19:48 uh by the harbor
0:19:50 and they ordered us like lots of
0:19:52 different types of fish
0:19:54 and we all had in fact octopuses that
0:19:56 they
0:19:57 many small
0:19:59 octopus al hamdulillah so it was nice uh
0:20:01 no i'm not enough
0:20:04 you no i ask allah for baraka in all
0:20:08 things and it's really
0:20:09 it's really humbling it's really a gift
0:20:11 from allah subhanahu wa ta'ala
0:20:13 everything we do is not from ourselves
0:20:14 it's not because of any work that we
0:20:16 have everything is from the karam and
0:20:18 the father of
0:20:31 would have been purified allah purifies
0:20:32 whom he wills and we ask allah for some
0:20:34 of that and so we begin with a point of
0:20:36 of course of humility uh it's very
0:20:38 humbling in fact what i'm
0:20:40 writing about because it's something uh
0:20:42 that's um
0:20:43 it's it's very quran focused and quran
0:20:46 centric and and i look at the the sifat
0:20:49 the characteristics of the e to allah
0:20:53 and and how to obtain those qualities
0:20:56 that we're searching for
0:20:58 and what what light the quran
0:21:00 shows like
0:21:01 and
0:21:02 alhamdulillah it's uh it's right now i'm
0:21:04 writing about the very important case of
0:21:07 of the the who traveled from afar in
0:21:09 surya sin and there are some things that
0:21:11 i never thought about before in fact
0:21:14 looking closely at the ayat and the
0:21:15 words used and how they're used and the
0:21:18 the kind of the
0:21:19 dramatic uh overplay what's happening
0:21:22 here and interrogative sentencing and
0:21:24 rhetorical questioning and declarative
0:21:26 sentencing and how it's making a
0:21:28 difference in fact to those people
0:21:30 and so alhamdulillah it's been
0:21:33 a good journey for me i mean all i do is
0:21:34 i just write a bit every day that's what
0:21:36 i do it's right every day and it kind of
0:21:38 just it builds up you know to to a
0:21:40 larger amount but it's nothing special
0:21:41 it's just the fact that i like writing
0:21:44 uh and so it's been uh it's been it's
0:21:46 been good so far it's coming towards
0:21:48 this end now
0:21:49 um in a few more things to write but i'm
0:21:51 looking closely at the quranic narrative
0:21:54 of dawa uh the kind of the uh the
0:21:57 qualities of the
0:21:58 in light of uh his his sense of internal
0:22:02 piety or taqwa righteousness and the
0:22:04 bearing it has in fact on dawa
0:22:06 understanding landscaping and how we
0:22:08 navigate through space in dawa
0:22:10 and what difference this makes in fact
0:22:12 for us in our kind of social cultural
0:22:15 context and and how it kind of uh how it
0:22:17 plays out in the quran and so and in
0:22:19 syria as well in the prophetic sunnah
0:22:22 and then other other qualities like the
0:22:24 importance of empathy i think this is
0:22:26 something i've written about of course
0:22:27 in two previously published books
0:22:29 i was on uh ilm film yesterday in fact
0:22:33 and uh and the brother began by saying
0:22:35 you know i've read your books uh and why
0:22:38 why do you incorporate such an empathic
0:22:40 outline in your in your in your book his
0:22:43 first question including divine
0:22:45 perfection
0:22:46 uh and uh and i said because that's
0:22:48 something i believe is prophetic it's
0:22:50 prophetic that we will look upon our
0:22:53 interlocutors our audiences as humans
0:22:56 and not as machines or robots and we
0:22:58 have to engage with them in a way that
0:22:59 is uh you know that that it has that
0:23:03 capacity and light of
0:23:05 looking at people or having that kind of
0:23:07 lens that we can see people uh you know
0:23:09 with the fullness of their humanity
0:23:12 otherwise we are bound by biases and
0:23:14 stereotypes and we can't we can't in
0:23:17 fact uh we can't disseminate the pure
0:23:19 message to in in a way like that i think
0:23:21 if it's pure then it should be
0:23:22 disseminated in a purer way it's it's
0:23:24 it's logical as well because if you
0:23:25 don't have empathy you don't have the
0:23:27 context you don't have the context you
0:23:28 don't have the truth
0:23:29 it's that
0:23:30 sure and the process
0:23:32 would as you said before in other words
0:23:34 that he would individualize the person
0:23:37 in giving
0:23:38 who is the person where they're coming
0:23:39 from and in what context so from my
0:23:41 understanding this book is going to give
0:23:43 the person who wants to share islam
0:23:45 academic and intellectually the kind of
0:23:47 conceptual to logical tools
0:23:50 to use to change their way of being
0:23:52 their internal way of being and the
0:23:55 external way of being in when they
0:23:56 relate to other people and they'll be
0:23:58 able to understand how they should be in
0:24:00 different contexts correct yeah yeah so
0:24:03 there's two things there's two things
0:24:04 one of course is the fact that the tawa
0:24:07 is within islam and you as a da'i is you
0:24:11 being a muslim
0:24:12 so the thing that we speak of in fact is
0:24:14 in relation to being a muslim that's the
0:24:16 first thing and that will in fact
0:24:18 emanates from that that paradigm of
0:24:20 islam itself and so but but i kind of
0:24:22 positioned dawah as
0:24:24 a special kind of undertaking uh
0:24:27 selected by allah subhanahu wa ta'ala
0:24:29 therefore perhaps more of a necessity to
0:24:32 inculcate and incorporate those kind of
0:24:34 fine elements of faith and integrity and
0:24:37 courage and piety and wisdom and
0:24:39 knowledge and so on and so forth
0:24:42 and perseverance and humility and
0:24:44 humbleness and so on and so forth and so
0:24:46 it's um yeah it's it's been good it's
0:24:48 been good it's been good writing handily
0:24:50 alhamdulillah okay so if i had we have a
0:24:52 question here i am gonna
0:24:54 share the link with the audience so they
0:24:55 could come on and actually speak to us
0:24:57 but this was a very important question
0:24:59 i'll give it to you
0:25:00 by sultana
0:25:02 from facebook
0:25:03 and also brother hamza my brother is in
0:25:05 his 50s and doesn't pray he feels he has
0:25:08 sinned too much and there is no point in
0:25:10 asking allah for anything he also has
0:25:12 some doubts about islam what can i
0:25:14 advise him subhanallah take it from here
0:25:18 so can i actually forward that to dr
0:25:20 uthman because he is talking about sin
0:25:22 and he's actually our in-house expert
0:25:24 considering he is
0:25:26 affection
0:25:27 so maybe you could take the first part
0:25:28 i'll take the second part how about that
0:25:30 i love listening yeah i think this is
0:25:32 this is a good question and it kind of
0:25:35 we have a section on our no doubts
0:25:37 course that deals in fact with this
0:25:38 because one of the traumatic experiences
0:25:40 of people is they could feel so
0:25:42 encumbered and overwhelmed by sin that
0:25:44 it could kind of prevent them from
0:25:46 moving moving on in fact and it's
0:25:47 something that even the earlier scholars
0:25:49 speak about
0:25:50 imam shafi'i uh he's he would say things
0:25:53 like to although then be my sin looks so
0:25:55 big in my eyes oh allah but when i
0:25:57 compare my sin to your forgiveness your
0:25:59 forgiveness is bigger than my sin and
0:26:00 remember that shaytan is iblis
0:26:03 he inculcates hopelessness in people and
0:26:06 makes them feel so
0:26:08 incapacitated either through sinfulness
0:26:11 or in a state where they've committed a
0:26:13 sin and
0:26:15 and now they've become used to that
0:26:16 state of sin
0:26:17 and and rather than seeking a way out uh
0:26:20 you know from that sin through toba and
0:26:22 to of righteousness they they become
0:26:25 kind of a customized uh you know to that
0:26:27 to that life of sin and so we have
0:26:30 therefore two things here
0:26:32 allah in the quran says
0:26:34 allah and says
0:26:38 allah wouldn't change a people's
0:26:39 condition until they change what's
0:26:41 within themselves that means every
0:26:44 every good that you're seeking
0:26:46 necessitates some change in yourself and
0:26:49 it could be for example when you think
0:26:50 about toba like a person seeking
0:26:53 repentance it isn't just a person saying
0:26:55 a stuff for allah for example there has
0:26:57 to be an affiliate master that you leave
0:26:59 the sin that you're committing
0:27:02 and that you make a promise that you
0:27:03 wouldn't return to that sin since set
0:27:05 with sincerity and that you have nadam
0:27:08 you have a sense of remorse uh about the
0:27:10 sin that you committed and if it's a sin
0:27:12 against somebody else and you would make
0:27:13 amends with that person
0:27:14 so we should never feel as if i've
0:27:16 sinned too much and because of that sin
0:27:19 uh i can't do anything in fact our
0:27:21 christian friends in fact have this
0:27:23 mistaken narrative from the bible
0:27:25 because they say that you know adam's
0:27:27 sin from genesis was so catastrophic it
0:27:30 led to uh you know three types of
0:27:32 damnation a physical a spiritual and
0:27:34 eternal damnation and the human
0:27:36 condition is now completely soiled uh
0:27:39 that there's no way that we could seek
0:27:41 forgiveness from god directly because it
0:27:44 has to be a savior god was sent in the
0:27:45 person of jesus but in the quran it's so
0:27:47 beautiful because
0:27:49 and of course i discussed this in my
0:27:50 book divine perfection the adamic
0:27:52 conundrum that you know when adam for
0:27:54 example sins and
0:27:56 it wasn't just that he sinned and he's
0:27:59 kind of alienated from god but in fact
0:28:02 that he he sins but allah says allah
0:28:04 inspires words of forgiveness for i mean
0:28:06 allah aids in a system allah is forever
0:28:09 always ever close
0:28:13 to one of my seven asks you concerning
0:28:14 me that i am ever close ever there
0:28:17 and also allah says say oh my servants
0:28:18 who have wronged their souls do not
0:28:19 despair of the mercy of allah do not
0:28:21 describe the mercy of allah allah
0:28:23 forgives all sins and allah forgiving
0:28:25 and merciful so we should never be in a
0:28:26 state of despair because there's nothing
0:28:28 that we have done in fact that's that
0:28:30 that bad uh even if a person makes
0:28:33 with allah but then turns from from that
0:28:36 and towards the oneness of allah and
0:28:37 taheed and repents allah forgives that
0:28:39 person's sins and not just that allah
0:28:41 forgives his sins but then turns his bad
0:28:44 deeds into good deeds so the the the the
0:28:47 forgiveness of allah is immense
0:28:55 if you uh sin
0:29:01 if you sin against me if you call upon
0:29:03 me and have hope in me i will feel but i
0:29:05 will i won't mind what you've done i
0:29:07 wasn't about if your sins reach the sky
0:29:08 from the ground and you ask my
0:29:10 forgiveness ascribe no partners to me i
0:29:12 will come to you with forgiveness so
0:29:13 allah's forgiving is is immense it's
0:29:16 only us you know we we limit
0:29:18 things but allah's forgiving forgiveness
0:29:20 is maximally perfect and uh and we
0:29:23 should never feel as if whatever i've
0:29:25 done is so bad allah isn't big enough to
0:29:28 forgive that sin allah is big enough to
0:29:30 forgive it but it requires from us a
0:29:32 sincerity a desire to leave that sin
0:29:35 a feeling of remorsefulness about the
0:29:37 sin
0:29:38 and then of course the part is uh is uh
0:29:41 is one of light and goodness uh after
0:29:44 that so uh that's something and i think
0:29:47 just just from a practical and
0:29:49 psychological point of view
0:29:51 anything that you've done in your life
0:29:54 anything and times it by
0:29:57 a million
0:29:58 anything you've done
0:30:01 will be forgiven if you repent allah
0:30:03 subhanahu wa'ta'ala
0:30:05 full stop
0:30:06 and the minute that you in a sense of
0:30:08 despair
0:30:10 know that this is not from allah he
0:30:11 always wants you back this is from
0:30:13 shaitaan
0:30:14 because the spraying of the mercy of
0:30:16 allah subhanallah it could be
0:30:18 a worsen than the sin that you committed
0:30:21 because you're diminishing the
0:30:22 perfection of allah it's it's it's it's
0:30:25 an aspect of his talk his oneness so
0:30:28 every time you have that thought i can
0:30:30 never be forgiven i've got all of these
0:30:31 things this is not from allah allah
0:30:34 wants you back allah always wants you
0:30:36 back even if you repented and you did
0:30:38 the sin again and then you repented and
0:30:40 you did this and again and you repented
0:30:42 and you did listen again and you
0:30:43 repented and did this and again it's a
0:30:45 constant struggle my brother
0:30:46 remember this allah always wants you
0:30:48 back no matter what you've done i repeat
0:30:51 allah always wants you back no matter
0:30:52 what you've done
0:30:54 that's what you have to have to
0:30:55 internalize
0:30:56 as uh the famous poet said this is not a
0:30:59 caravan of despair okay
0:31:01 so can i say one thing yeah one thing so
0:31:03 one thing of course is that the prophet
0:31:05 says that all of us in fact are sinners
0:31:07 it could have been adam
0:31:09 all of the sons of adam in fact sin and
0:31:11 make mistakes
0:31:14 but the best of those who make these
0:31:15 mistakes and sins are those who repent
0:31:17 back to allah so so you're not unique
0:31:19 therefore in sinning because all of us
0:31:21 in fact are in the state of we sin all
0:31:23 the time and allah says you haven't adam
0:31:25 a son of adam
0:31:27 you sin against me by night and by day
0:31:30 and i forgive all of your sins ask for
0:31:32 forgiveness and i will forgive you and
0:31:34 remember this and this is what i
0:31:35 discussed in fact in my book the case
0:31:36 beautiful case of the of the three
0:31:38 people uh uh from uh surah toba the
0:31:41 people who stayed behind in taboo and
0:31:43 the verse is so profound lest the
0:31:46 christians say that you're focusing on
0:31:48 adam and it's a unique case this is this
0:31:50 is a case in point because allah says
0:31:52 that the three who stayed behind
0:31:57 until the earth became constricted for
0:31:59 them even though the earth is spacious
0:32:01 it's that feeling of constriction that
0:32:02 you have in yourself
0:32:05 and then their selves became constricted
0:32:07 for them and allah says
0:32:10 they realize
0:32:13 there's no refuge from allah except
0:32:15 going back to allah from
0:32:18 him
0:32:19 and then allah turned to them so that
0:32:21 they turned to him
0:32:24 allah turned to them
0:32:26 so that they turn to him now where are
0:32:29 you going to find that so whenever a
0:32:30 person asks for forgiveness it isn't you
0:32:32 asking forgiveness first it's allah has
0:32:34 already turned to you
0:32:36 to to help you to ask for forgiveness
0:32:38 that just shows the divine maximum mercy
0:32:40 and forgiveness of allah subhanahu wa
0:32:41 you know allah
0:32:44 in terms of doubts you could take time
0:32:46 to go to lighthouse that's for sure
0:32:48 yeah so one option
0:32:50 so one option is definitely um you know
0:32:52 we have the lighthouse service yeah you
0:32:54 know have them come on and book a
0:32:56 one-hour session you know have a
0:32:58 conversation with someone about the
0:32:59 doubts he's going through
0:33:01 um
0:33:02 of course in addition to that we have
0:33:03 the the course on our learning platform
0:33:06 uh related to um you know doubts or we
0:33:08 go into you know details not just
0:33:11 covering each and every individual doubt
0:33:13 but we go to fundamentals we start
0:33:15 talking about world views and paradigms
0:33:17 and things like that
0:33:18 uh more foundational things we start
0:33:20 talking about the very nature of doubts
0:33:22 you know what's a shubha you know what
0:33:24 do we mean by shubahat and so on and so
0:33:26 forth so the course is also another
0:33:28 reference
0:33:29 um
0:33:30 so yeah so i'm there you know we have a
0:33:32 lot of good robust
0:33:34 uh you know reference points in terms of
0:33:37 where he can go to to to speak to
0:33:39 someone about his doubts or study about
0:33:41 his doubts so you know i mean that's a
0:33:44 really good reference point you know one
0:33:45 thing they can go to the learning
0:33:47 platform learn.sapience institute.org
0:33:50 they could go through the the no doubt
0:33:52 course it's free they just have to give
0:33:54 their name and email so yes
0:33:56 it's learn.sapience institute.org yeah
0:33:59 and keep in mind like if
0:34:01 if you do reside in the us you know i
0:34:03 mean we are
0:34:04 we try to bring this course uh on site
0:34:07 as well
0:34:08 and that's another option that you know
0:34:10 depending if you are in the us or i'm
0:34:12 assuming in the uk and things like that
0:34:14 that you know it might be that might be
0:34:16 something that you could you could get
0:34:17 you could take on site in which case you
0:34:19 know sometimes i know learning platforms
0:34:22 maybe some of us are a bit exhausted
0:34:24 with the online platform yeah with
0:34:26 certain things and so it's kind of
0:34:28 important to have that human interaction
0:34:30 uh because
0:34:31 like we were mentioning earlier these
0:34:32 are you know we're looking at the human
0:34:35 being we want to look at the human being
0:34:36 holistically right so while there may be
0:34:38 some doubts about islam
0:34:40 but the way the question was structured
0:34:42 earlier is that the person in a sense it
0:34:44 may not even about may not even be about
0:34:46 doubts per se but it's about more of
0:34:49 like okay well i've done so much wrong
0:34:51 then how could allah forgive me so it's
0:34:53 not really about doubts but it's about
0:34:55 does the person know who allah is right
0:34:57 and like uh dr uzman
0:34:59 so beautifully shared you know it's
0:35:01 sometimes it's just a matter of kind of
0:35:03 connecting back with allah and uh you
0:35:05 know those things sometimes happen um on
0:35:08 site
0:35:09 in a way where you're interacting with a
0:35:11 person directly so lots of options that
0:35:13 are out there
0:35:14 uh the site again if you're looking
0:35:16 interested in the in the learning
0:35:18 platform learn.sapiensinstoo.org
0:35:20 the course is there uh we have the book
0:35:22 you can download
0:35:24 from the site as well uh to go ahead and
0:35:27 take care of some of those doubts
0:35:28 inshallah so yes so the book written by
0:35:31 chef fahad is available on our website
0:35:33 if you go to sapience institute.org
0:35:35 forward slash
0:35:37 books you'll be able to download it for
0:35:38 free and it goes through the 10
0:35:40 effective strategies on how to do your
0:35:42 doubts and other people's doubts as well
0:35:44 alhamdulillah
0:35:45 okay so let's have someone live to speak
0:35:49 to us i cannot pronounce his name so i
0:35:52 am assuming it's a sir i call him mr
0:35:54 cricket
0:35:56 hello mr cricket
0:35:58 hello
0:36:04 i have a question i yesterday read the
0:36:06 hadith at a
0:36:08 profit item high it was 90 feet
0:36:11 it was pretty confusing i just want to
0:36:13 know what does
0:36:14 this mean
0:36:17 okay here we give that one to heart if
0:36:19 he knows the answer
0:36:21 um i'm going to attempt to know the
0:36:23 answer but uh
0:36:25 i'm gonna attempt to know the answer but
0:36:27 let me just attempt to answer the
0:36:28 question uh as best as i can
0:36:30 so one of the things is regarding the
0:36:33 hadith itself um that
0:36:36 there's actually a few interpretations
0:36:37 of the hadith specifically right uh what
0:36:40 does it what does 90 feet mean what does
0:36:42 it signify
0:36:43 along where there are also some
0:36:45 criticisms about the chain as well
0:36:47 so what i'll do is i'll give you a book
0:36:49 reference that has just come out and i
0:36:51 believe it's by uh
0:36:56 recently wrote an entire piece on this
0:36:58 which will get into a lot more details
0:37:00 about the hadith itself so he's a lot
0:37:02 more
0:37:03 qualified in that in that area of hadith
0:37:05 studies and things like that and it goes
0:37:07 through all of the various
0:37:10 uh explanations of that hadith because
0:37:12 just like we may find the hadees to be a
0:37:14 bit problematic
0:37:16 you find in our history there are lots
0:37:17 of hadith that that even scholars of the
0:37:19 past found like okay this doesn't really
0:37:21 fit well in our in our understanding of
0:37:23 the world and things like that and it's
0:37:25 not something to be too afraid of um
0:37:28 so i'll refer you to the book uh and if
0:37:31 you know hamza or uh doctor's mom want
0:37:33 to add to that they're free to do that
0:37:34 inshallah so
0:37:36 what's the book called
0:37:38 oh it's i think it's uh on adam or
0:37:40 something like that or adam and ninety
0:37:41 feet uh
0:37:43 in fact i'll
0:37:45 bring it up here
0:37:46 um
0:37:47 so
0:37:49 yeah bring it up and then we'll share it
0:37:51 on the comments inshallah okay bro it's
0:37:53 like here i don't have to pronounce your
0:37:55 first name so do apologize uh please
0:37:57 read that book and uh we could take it
0:37:59 from there i think we also i think we
0:38:00 have a video
0:38:02 on our sapient thoughts series i'm not
0:38:04 sure we may have i think we have
0:38:06 um but i think uh
0:38:09 the book that fahad is suggesting is a
0:38:11 robust book i remember we had a very
0:38:12 brief discussion on it a few years ago
0:38:15 or a month ago so alhamdulillah give it
0:38:18 a read and that would be quite
0:38:20 satisfactory inshallah it's not going to
0:38:21 come back to us again
0:38:23 but
0:38:24 we are producing written replies to most
0:38:28 of these questions
0:38:30 so you know for example
0:38:32 the scientific errors narrative when
0:38:34 they say that the quran has errors you
0:38:36 know for example when allah says in
0:38:37 chapter 86
0:38:39 verses 5 to 7 that you know
0:38:42 the accusation is that the sperm comes
0:38:44 from between the backbone and the ribs
0:38:47 and we address things like this we we
0:38:49 show how multi-layered the quran is and
0:38:52 we show the different views and and the
0:38:54 three main views that we're aware of do
0:38:56 not go against science in any shape or
0:38:58 form it's just a misunderstanding
0:39:00 of of the detractor they don't know the
0:39:02 language they don't know
0:39:04 maybe the science itself they don't know
0:39:07 uh grammatical linguistic principles in
0:39:09 the quran so we're unpacking a lot of
0:39:12 this stuff and it's forthcoming and the
0:39:14 first one that's coming out
0:39:16 in this period is going to be on this
0:39:18 issue that i've just mentioned and we're
0:39:20 going to go through mountains and all of
0:39:22 that stuff just to show that the
0:39:23 accusations are forced and it's going to
0:39:25 be predicated on the idea of
0:39:27 understanding what has a higher
0:39:29 epistemic source the quran has a higher
0:39:31 epistemic source a truth value
0:39:34 than than the scientific enterprise
0:39:36 um and yeah so you know it's really
0:39:39 really
0:39:40 good
0:39:41 that brothers in the dao are now
0:39:42 starting to adopt this narrative you
0:39:45 know there are really good brothers who
0:39:47 would basically you know they don't
0:39:49 follow the science and quran 1.0 that is
0:39:52 a you know
0:39:54 an incoherent narrative they've upgraded
0:39:56 it to a 3.0 and they're starting to know
0:39:58 that there's different levels of
0:39:59 interpretation and so it bypasses some
0:40:02 of the contentions that
0:40:04 detractors used to have against the book
0:40:05 of allah but maybe we could address this
0:40:07 on on this live in another life another
0:40:09 time but i don't want to mention that
0:40:10 because
0:40:11 this stuff is coming out alhamdulillah
0:40:13 so you got the name of the book bro yes
0:40:14 so the name of the book is uh the height
0:40:16 of prophet adam at the crossroads of
0:40:18 science and scripture
0:40:19 and it's by muntastra mufti montana
0:40:24 and you can i think you get on amazon if
0:40:26 that's what you're looking for inshallah
0:40:27 and i think
0:40:28 uh probably a few places in the uk
0:40:31 sell it directly i'm not mistaken
0:40:33 but he
0:40:34 he spent a lot of time researching this
0:40:37 particular hadith and its various
0:40:38 narrators and stuff like that his forte
0:40:40 is hadith that he's interestingly enough
0:40:42 um and similarly what you're mentioning
0:40:45 about you know he doesn't take a
0:40:47 a kind of myopic approach to adopting a
0:40:50 narrative of science to say okay well it
0:40:52 has to fit science you know and that's
0:40:54 what i really liked about his
0:40:55 presentation on the topic as well so if
0:40:56 you search online
0:40:58 i think he he has a couple of videos uh
0:41:00 where he did interviews with people as
0:41:02 he was in the midst of his research so
0:41:04 it's it's it's it's it's quite robust
0:41:06 and it's um something i definitely
0:41:08 recommend inshallah so
0:41:10 okay brilliant so
0:41:11 who's next the link is here you guys
0:41:13 anyone could come on and have a
0:41:14 discussion ask a question about our work
0:41:17 um ask a question about islamic thought
0:41:20 if we can answer we will if we can't
0:41:22 we'll pass you to someone who could
0:41:23 probably answer it much better uh the
0:41:26 link is there streamguard.com.com
0:41:28 forward slash
0:41:32 9bg3vp9qf5 i mean the link is right
0:41:33 there for you guys to see um so let's
0:41:36 see if there's any other questions
0:41:38 brothers and sisters
0:41:41 um
0:41:42 we'll wait for people to try and come on
0:41:43 board so dr uthman so your your book is
0:41:46 not only going to be a book it's also
0:41:48 going to be a course
0:41:50 so how excited are you about that and
0:41:53 what you and how do you think the course
0:41:54 is going to be different from the book
0:41:58 yeah so when i finished by the way
0:41:59 shakespeare is wonderful seeing you i
0:42:01 didn't give salam to you probably
0:42:02 mashallah it's great seeing you
0:42:04 it's been a while
0:42:06 uh yes so it's uh it's uh yeah so when i
0:42:09 finish the course i'm gonna be doing the
0:42:11 slides insha'allah for the course and so
0:42:13 i'm sorry when i finish the book uh
0:42:15 doing slides for the course i'm praying
0:42:17 that inshallah
0:42:18 i mean the good thing about the book
0:42:19 that's in fact unique i think and
0:42:21 original is the fact that it has this
0:42:22 kind of
0:42:24 pedagogical outlook uh which is to
0:42:28 ensure that that we can learn a lot from
0:42:30 the examples provided
0:42:32 and that there is a kind of a training
0:42:34 behind the theory of the verses and and
0:42:38 the themes that i discuss i mean in fact
0:42:40 that is the most important thing that we
0:42:42 can know how to incorporate those
0:42:44 equalities for us as as dua in the way
0:42:47 of allah subhanahu wa ta'ala how can it
0:42:49 affect and change our framework and our
0:42:51 way of being a way of living as muslims
0:42:54 and so the course therefore will be uh
0:42:56 going through the the content very
0:42:58 carefully
0:43:00 and then providing those tips you know
0:43:01 for for our students inshallah
0:43:04 good beautiful
0:43:05 and i think what i'm excited about is
0:43:07 the different type of scenarios where
0:43:10 you're gonna we're going to try and show
0:43:12 them
0:43:12 if this context happens how do you apply
0:43:15 what you've learned from the
0:43:17 concept and that's that's going to be
0:43:19 very interesting so yeah
0:43:22 today you know people misapply concepts
0:43:24 like muslim and masada that benefits
0:43:27 muhammad they think well this is
0:43:29 and i can do it but they forget that the
0:43:31 implications could end up making it
0:43:34 be blameworthy and worse or even haram
0:43:37 because they're not an islamic ethical
0:43:39 paradigm so yeah that's very very good
0:43:41 and the fun in fact the quran in its uh
0:43:43 broad outlook taps into these different
0:43:44 kinds of scenarios for us
0:43:46 uh you know there are times where
0:43:49 uh you know where we can have effective
0:43:51 engagement with people uh even those who
0:43:54 are antagonistic and other times where
0:43:56 we're just encouraged to just to hold
0:43:58 back a little bit uh not to necessarily
0:44:00 engage with everybody in fact because it
0:44:03 could be that at one point engagement or
0:44:05 it could be the fact that you know
0:44:07 knowledge and wisdom is is quite key
0:44:09 here because wherever i am in my journey
0:44:11 of dawa i might i might not be at that
0:44:14 point in time the best to engage with a
0:44:16 particular person on a particular topic
0:44:18 and i think there has to be some kind of
0:44:20 a
0:44:20 an understanding of our epistemic
0:44:22 limitations as human beings as muslims
0:44:24 that were all kind of growing in
0:44:25 knowledge uh i was writing just the
0:44:27 other day about the famous incident of
0:44:29 uh
0:44:30 uh of the aftermath of ohad when abu
0:44:33 sufyan began calling out
0:44:35 the prophet he says
0:44:37 muhammadan is muhammad with you and he's
0:44:38 kind of gloating in this and the prophet
0:44:40 said lord to jiba don't answer him
0:44:42 meaning the narrative is yours own it
0:44:45 and then he says afikum you know is abu
0:44:47 bakr with you and he said
0:44:49 don't answer him
0:44:50 and then he says
0:44:52 um
0:44:54 he said that to you but don't answer him
0:44:56 and then he said abu sufyan said
0:44:59 is great and the prophet said ajibu
0:45:01 answer him
0:45:03 allah is concerned answer him then he
0:45:06 says uh they said what should we say
0:45:07 rasulullah said say allah allah
0:45:10 allah is higher than that and more
0:45:12 glorious than that and the abu sufyan
0:45:14 says
0:45:18 and the prophet said
0:45:20 answer him and they said so what should
0:45:21 we say he says
0:45:25 the person was telling them when to when
0:45:27 to answer when not to answer you don't
0:45:28 have to speak every single instance but
0:45:30 you should know with wisdom
0:45:32 when to speak and one will not to speak
0:45:34 and this is a nice speech that's an
0:45:35 interesting point and you know as allah
0:45:37 makes a distinction between uh wise
0:45:39 judgment and
0:45:41 and
0:45:42 what's very interesting as well is what
0:45:43 ibm said about the whole concept of
0:45:45 wisdom i think it's saying or acting in
0:45:48 the right way at the right time and i
0:45:50 think in the right context that means
0:45:52 you have to be aware of the context and
0:45:54 of the time and of the right way of
0:45:56 doing things yeah
0:45:57 sometimes
0:45:58 you know uh unfortunately we we don't
0:46:01 have that milan make it uh easy for us
0:46:03 okay so we're getting lots of people on
0:46:04 the
0:46:06 the the backstage so let's get sister
0:46:10 uh maryam i think she's disappeared now
0:46:13 yep she's gone all right so let's get
0:46:19 spot for choice we get the first one
0:46:21 hamza khan sonic hamza khan
0:46:27 but before i ask my question i just want
0:46:28 to quickly say
0:46:30 uh
0:46:32 uh you changed my life i just want to
0:46:34 put that out there but um so my question
0:46:36 is uh
0:46:37 about islamic literature or just
0:46:40 i i guess i'm
0:46:41 about fictional literature so
0:46:43 uh especially in entertainment in in the
0:46:46 west
0:46:47 how do you think we should move forward
0:46:48 as muslims in creating a space for
0:46:51 muslim literature muslim movies muslim
0:46:53 entertainment and how would you guys uh
0:46:57 see you to put that forward and get uh i
0:46:58 guess our views out there
0:47:01 okay first and foremost you know may not
0:47:03 bless you bro i know what you mean but
0:47:05 ultimately allah changes everybody it's
0:47:08 i'm just an empty tool that allah used
0:47:10 to manifest his his his
0:47:13 power and his will with regards to
0:47:15 fiction it's a very good topic i i'm
0:47:17 this is not my field but i know whose
0:47:19 food it is because i know someone who's
0:47:20 involved heavily in in fiction
0:47:23 it is flat to steve himself he is a i
0:47:26 think a comic fan and he does his own
0:47:28 narratives and narrations for children
0:47:30 i've listened to some of them they sound
0:47:32 great so you talk about
0:47:34 sure uh no i was about to say it it may
0:47:37 not be in the scope of sapience itself
0:47:39 specifically
0:47:41 but
0:47:41 but it's definitely a really good
0:47:43 question and
0:47:44 uh definitely a space that i think we
0:47:46 need to be involved in uh just because
0:47:48 especially when you look at
0:47:50 um you know i was going to say like
0:47:52 younger kind of muslims that are growing
0:47:54 up in this society is that if you don't
0:47:55 have an alternative
0:47:57 um you know they're all they're they're
0:47:59 superheroes are going to be people that
0:48:00 uh you know may not reflect the best
0:48:03 the best character and the best uh you
0:48:04 know the best outlook on life
0:48:06 not to mention that
0:48:07 in every field of entertainment there's
0:48:10 a certain narrative that's being pushed
0:48:12 a world view that's being pushed
0:48:14 and so if we understand that we have a
0:48:16 world view that's based upon truth and
0:48:18 meaning
0:48:19 then there should be pushed even when we
0:48:21 are you know when we're producing
0:48:23 literature that you know even like
0:48:24 fictional stuff so
0:48:25 um
0:48:27 you know i have a series that i do on
0:48:28 the sita which has to do with the time
0:48:30 travel that goes back in time
0:48:32 but the i think one of the things that's
0:48:34 attractive to people that that that have
0:48:36 gone through that sita is that
0:48:38 throughout the entire sea i'm pushing
0:48:40 and i'm kind of highlighting
0:48:42 the islamic world view right
0:48:44 so yes there's elements in there where
0:48:46 we speak about certain elements within
0:48:48 you know fip and you know how to do
0:48:50 certain things but what's more important
0:48:52 than that is that
0:48:53 the impact that it is having on younger
0:48:56 minds by way of paradigm by way of like
0:48:59 this is my world view and it is based on
0:49:01 truth and meaning
0:49:02 in exclusion to everything else meaning
0:49:04 everything else is gonna have weaknesses
0:49:06 and i think that sort of empowerment is
0:49:08 really important in in some of the uh
0:49:10 some of the literature that we have out
0:49:12 there and there's good stuff that's
0:49:13 coming out you know i mean
0:49:14 um i know there's uh other comics i
0:49:17 think they have some stuff coming out
0:49:19 um you know we've recorded some things
0:49:21 in the space and there's a lot of stuff
0:49:23 that to look forward to but yeah i mean
0:49:25 i i do think that if some if muslims are
0:49:28 going to engage with entertainment in
0:49:30 general uh
0:49:32 especially as we are
0:49:34 seeing how that entertainment is
0:49:37 pushing a narrative we're gonna have to
0:49:39 be very very careful and start seriously
0:49:41 thinking about alternative their
0:49:43 alternative um entertainment and you
0:49:46 know in various speeches tell them about
0:49:48 your i forgot what your thing is called
0:49:49 where can they go to listen to your
0:49:50 stuff for children it's quite effective
0:49:52 what's it called uh the quantum
0:49:53 chronicles that's a one
0:49:56 that's the one chronicles.com you can go
0:49:58 there and uh
0:49:59 check that out and uh
0:50:01 we've got a number of different uh you
0:50:03 know we've got the cedaw we've got
0:50:04 stories of the sahaba
0:50:06 salahuddin
0:50:09 and they're all um this little audio
0:50:11 isn't it's not written books yeah yeah i
0:50:13 mean my
0:50:14 my initial uh reason for bringing it
0:50:17 together is that i was trying to get my
0:50:18 kids interested in the sita and i think
0:50:20 i'd put on a ceta series in the car
0:50:22 which is way too academic every five
0:50:24 seconds they'd be asking me hey baba
0:50:27 what does quintessential mean hey baba
0:50:30 what is epistemic hey bob and i'm like
0:50:32 look oh my gosh this is like ridiculous
0:50:34 right so
0:50:35 so i basically put it together in simple
0:50:37 language but that kind of
0:50:39 augments that simple language with a an
0:50:42 exciting time traveling story of a young
0:50:44 person who deals with modern issues but
0:50:47 he's able to witness the sita and so to
0:50:50 be able to deal those issues directly as
0:50:51 he's witnessing the sita so
0:50:53 you know it's uh it's a little
0:50:55 contribution in in the broader uh you
0:50:57 know uh real broader area of uh muslim
0:51:00 entertainment if we want to call it that
0:51:02 so alhamdulillah there's a lot of good
0:51:04 stuff out there but yeah i mean it's
0:51:06 it's it's it's an area that but i do
0:51:08 think we need more because the power of
0:51:10 narrative and stories is unbelievable
0:51:13 and we're not just little children yeah
0:51:15 and we know this from the quran yeah not
0:51:17 only are their stories but the stories
0:51:19 are true and they're laid with meaning
0:51:21 for example yusuf there's like a
0:51:23 thousand lessons and there's more
0:51:25 lessons than ayat than verses right so
0:51:28 if we're able to articulate narratives
0:51:30 and stories in a way that's quite
0:51:31 profound because don't forget a lot of
0:51:33 continental philosophy was based on
0:51:34 stories right yes of course
0:51:36 existentialists they wrote stories but
0:51:38 it was laid with meaning very profound
0:51:40 and i think that's what we like a lot
0:51:42 because a lot of us we like to go into
0:51:44 medicine engineering the hard sciences
0:51:46 but not many of us go into things like
0:51:48 literature or the humanities and we lose
0:51:51 that ability to express and to really
0:51:54 you know provide
0:51:56 profound
0:51:57 layers in in in a way that makes an
0:52:00 impact through literature and it's it's
0:52:02 not easy it's very hard to write trust
0:52:03 me i think hemingway once said
0:52:05 yeah writing is easy you just go to your
0:52:07 typewriter and you bleed
0:52:10 so
0:52:11 okay so we've got lots of people
0:52:13 here
0:52:15 good question
0:52:16 beautiful question
0:52:30 i'm doing all right uh i i kind of
0:52:32 briefly went through uh the beginning of
0:52:35 the stream i just recently saw you guys
0:52:36 were live uh and i saw something about
0:52:38 you guys have some courses that you're
0:52:40 going to be doing on the fitrah and i
0:52:42 kind of wanted to talk to you guys a
0:52:43 little bit about that uh is this going
0:52:45 to be
0:52:46 um so uh brother hamza uh
0:52:49 i've i've read the divine reality i have
0:52:51 the book amazing book masha allah is
0:52:54 this gonna going to be more of a
0:52:55 philosophical based idea of of going
0:52:58 through the fithra well this is not my
0:53:01 question
0:53:03 it's going to go straight into the
0:53:04 islamic tradition i think sheikh fahad
0:53:06 is a team at heart but he speaks
0:53:09 sure go ahead brother yeah no so i mean
0:53:11 bismillah um no it's it's i don't think
0:53:14 we're so one of the things we have to
0:53:15 understand about the actual fitra um how
0:53:18 it is structured in above itself so one
0:53:20 of the arguments that for instance
0:53:21 imitamia gives is that you know
0:53:24 understanding the fitra actually
0:53:26 helps you deal with other kind of more
0:53:29 uh
0:53:31 more complicated philosophical arguments
0:53:33 you know and and from a certain
0:53:35 perspective he says you know most people
0:53:36 don't deal with that type of
0:53:38 uh technical philosophy right or as
0:53:41 hamzo is giving us the dichotomy between
0:53:43 continental and analytical philosophy he
0:53:45 does he may be in a sense saying that
0:53:47 the analytical stuff i mean that's maybe
0:53:48 very specialized um so what the course
0:53:51 is going to do it's going to it's going
0:53:52 to do a deep dive into our understanding
0:53:54 of the fitrah and various areas that it
0:53:57 touches and how that understanding is
0:53:59 very important so for example
0:54:01 one area that it touches is
0:54:03 understanding normativity
0:54:05 okay so in other words when we say that
0:54:07 it is a you know that it is we define as
0:54:10 the original normative disposition
0:54:12 normativity in in our general culture
0:54:15 uh at least in the u.s is understood as
0:54:17 something negative so if you say you're
0:54:18 cis normative or you're heteronormative
0:54:21 he's like oh how dare your normative but
0:54:23 then you need some sort of sense of
0:54:24 normativity to actually say that okay
0:54:26 well this is not normative and why does
0:54:29 why is the fitrah powerful in that area
0:54:31 to empower a person to say yes i
0:54:34 understand normativity and that
0:54:35 normality comes from allah in
0:54:37 in a base state and then there's other
0:54:39 sections i'll be covering inshallah
0:54:40 related to like beauty how the how the
0:54:42 fitra you know how we how we understand
0:54:44 beauty and internalize it and things
0:54:45 like that
0:54:46 um and then i inshallah i'll be touching
0:54:49 on
0:54:50 other elements of let's say um human
0:54:52 nature in general what are some of the
0:54:54 assumptions people make related to human
0:54:56 nature and that has ramifications on uh
0:54:59 you know understanding politics society
0:55:02 you know there's certain assumptions
0:55:03 that liberalism makes on human nature
0:55:05 all right so we want to say hold on a
0:55:07 second we don't make those assumptions
0:55:09 our assumptions about human nature are
0:55:10 linked deeply with the fitra so
0:55:13 a lot of good stuff inshallah marshall
0:55:15 yeah yeah joseph lahyer brother thank
0:55:16 you yeah because i've been thinking is
0:55:19 like i've been giving down myself a lot
0:55:21 of people have been bringing up this
0:55:22 idea of fitra you know and i'm very very
0:55:26 philosophical based
0:55:27 um and and i've been trying to you know
0:55:30 when i have discussions with non-muslims
0:55:32 i try and bring up this idea of okay
0:55:35 let's let's look at your epistemological
0:55:36 standards let's see where you stand
0:55:38 epistemologically so we have the same
0:55:40 type of framework to be able to dive
0:55:42 into something like the contingency
0:55:44 argument like you were talking about
0:55:45 analytical philosophy things like that
0:55:47 that's what i really try and base my dow
0:55:49 well not my job of more my polemics
0:55:51 around i guess you could say
0:55:53 so and i'm i want to try and come up
0:55:55 with
0:55:56 some type of understanding on how we can
0:55:58 tie the fithra
0:56:00 into our innate like epistemological
0:56:03 standards that human beings have are our
0:56:05 axiomatic presuppositions that human
0:56:07 human beings make and try and tie that
0:56:09 into a you know what it would what you
0:56:12 know how you could tie that into like a
0:56:13 clear fitra
0:56:15 right yeah so so one section and this is
0:56:18 actually
0:56:19 this won't necessarily be a new section
0:56:20 in the course but one thing that we've
0:56:21 spoken about in the past in i think
0:56:23 pretty much all of our courses is that
0:56:25 even when we go down the line of let's
0:56:27 say argumentation
0:56:29 argumentation what we show is that it is
0:56:32 one of the one of the tools that we can
0:56:35 use in unclouding the fitra right
0:56:37 because when we understand the fitra we
0:56:38 understand that you know to get the
0:56:40 fitra to its you know state of
0:56:42 homeostasis right to its to its normal
0:56:45 state
0:56:46 you know unclouded
0:56:48 one of the ways to do that is by way of
0:56:49 rational arguments but there are a whole
0:56:51 range of other tools that we can use to
0:56:54 do that right so you know amongst them
0:56:55 are the certain elements of spirituality
0:56:58 the quran is extremely powerful in this
0:57:00 area and when i say the quran i don't
0:57:03 mean just the rational arguments of the
0:57:05 quran but here we're talking about the
0:57:08 levels of beauty the idea or ideas
0:57:10 related to how does even the sound of
0:57:13 the quran affect the person right
0:57:15 because many times people will hear you
0:57:17 know we'll see stories about someone you
0:57:19 know heard the first two ayaat and surah
0:57:22 and they and they were inclined towards
0:57:23 islam and people write that off like
0:57:25 well that's not rational but no the even
0:57:28 sound has a certain profound emotive um
0:57:30 effect on the human upon the human
0:57:32 fitrah right
0:57:34 um so one of the things we say is that
0:57:36 while we understand that there is a role
0:57:38 to play related to rational arguments
0:57:42 but we have to understand that that's
0:57:43 not the end that's just a means to
0:57:45 uncloud the fifa right and so what this
0:57:47 course inshallah will do
0:57:49 i hope
0:57:50 is to kind of give you additional tools
0:57:54 the ones that you're already using right
0:57:55 so yes you have let's say the
0:57:56 contingency argument but to be really
0:57:59 honest that's not for everyone you know
0:58:02 in fact i've done the contingency
0:58:03 argument i realized like this person
0:58:06 lost me in the middle of the argument
0:58:07 right like they're like they're and what
0:58:09 they really needed was just for me to
0:58:11 say you know going off of you know some
0:58:13 of the work that dr thought would be
0:58:14 doing is you know what how have you been
0:58:17 man how was your day
0:58:18 like i just want to know i just want you
0:58:20 know at the end of the day i care about
0:58:21 your well-being right again
0:58:24 how do you navigate that understanding
0:58:26 that the goal is to
0:58:28 bring this person's fitrah to a to the
0:58:30 state of where it's supposed to be and
0:58:31 i'm clouded right
0:58:34 and there's a really interesting dynamic
0:58:36 interplay between
0:58:38 rational arguments and the fitra right
0:58:40 the akal and the fitra which i'll be
0:58:41 expounding upon there's a section in
0:58:43 there about the human being right what
0:58:46 is what are who are we as human beings
0:58:48 right because that's i think we don't
0:58:50 necessarily spend much time in that but
0:58:53 once we understand that that we are you
0:58:55 know we we are not only material matter
0:58:58 but we also have a soul and there's a
0:59:00 dynamic interplay in that and that has
0:59:02 impacts on things like gender like are
0:59:04 we you know in typically in the in the
0:59:06 day that we're in the day and age we're
0:59:07 in
0:59:08 you'll find an argument to say okay so
0:59:10 biology 100 determines our gender they
0:59:13 make a dichotomy to gender and sex and
0:59:14 so on and so forth but we understand
0:59:16 that yes there's a there's there is the
0:59:18 gender of the human being that's tied to
0:59:21 their biology but that's also part of
0:59:23 their essence and that's why in our in
0:59:25 our acts of worship they're both
0:59:26 physical and spiritual we have salah
0:59:28 that's physical
0:59:29 but it has an impact on the soul and so
0:59:32 so there's a lot so as you can see i'm
0:59:33 really excited about this topic so i
0:59:34 should stop now anyway inshallah i can't
0:59:36 wait for it uh
0:59:38 what you have to realize as well we have
0:59:39 to be very careful especially when we're
0:59:40 using like abstract theo philosophical
0:59:42 philosophical arguments because when you
0:59:44 go deeper and deeper deeper into the
0:59:46 philosophy
0:59:47 i would say i would say
0:59:49 that there are elements in these type of
0:59:52 arguments where
0:59:54 sometimes you just won't find an answer
0:59:55 there's so much philosophical especially
0:59:57 going on like for example when you're
0:59:59 going to the contingency argument
1:00:01 there's this whole
1:00:02 kind of
1:00:04 rebuttal concerning well what about the
1:00:06 law of contradiction isn't the law of
1:00:08 contradiction
1:00:09 eternal and necessary if it's not then
1:00:12 you know does that affect the argument
1:00:14 if it is then you've got something
1:00:15 that's co-eternal with god how is and
1:00:17 that's comfort maybe in the islamic
1:00:19 tradition where is governed if something
1:00:20 is co-eternal right so there's all these
1:00:23 things and then you get into this realm
1:00:24 of um para para consistent logic which
1:00:28 not many people hear about i don't want
1:00:29 to mention this to confuse people just
1:00:30 mentioning it we have to be careful and
1:00:32 that's why these things are a means to
1:00:34 awaken what is
1:00:36 already self-evidently known or if you
1:00:39 take the other approach to the fitra
1:00:40 fitrah
1:00:42 that it unclouds the fitter to allow the
1:00:44 fitter to direct the human being towards
1:00:45 the truth so we have to be very careful
1:00:48 because when we look at you know over a
1:00:50 thousand years of history how people
1:00:52 became muslim people didn't really
1:00:53 become muslim because of the
1:00:54 conditioning argument alone it was used
1:00:56 more than as an apologetic
1:00:58 um
1:00:59 you know and a form of intellectual
1:01:01 armory rather than using as to connect
1:01:03 people to a lot of panel
1:01:05 yes you can use it so just to you know
1:01:08 square the circle here if you like
1:01:10 and there's no pun because of the thing
1:01:12 i talked about logic by the way yeah so
1:01:14 you know
1:01:15 but see if you take the fitrah
1:01:17 as the innate original normative
1:01:19 disposition and the fitra gets clouded
1:01:20 based on hadith and sahih muslim you
1:01:22 could use that metaphor if you like
1:01:24 and
1:01:25 there are different ways to uncloud the
1:01:27 fitzray it could be rational arguments
1:01:28 but it could also be just direct quran
1:01:30 it could be just reading the sera it
1:01:32 could be appreciating islamic ethics it
1:01:34 could be engaging with a muslim
1:01:35 positively it could be just looking at
1:01:37 someone praise allah it could be praying
1:01:39 your salah yourself
1:01:40 and it could be a combination of these
1:01:42 things right so we don't know
1:01:44 uh you know how
1:01:47 we don't know what combination of things
1:01:49 are required to awaken somas fitra
1:01:51 unless we stand in the possibility that
1:01:53 the human being is not just a robot that
1:01:55 we give an abstract intellectual
1:01:56 argument but rather he is the fitness
1:01:58 clouded and i have to listen out for his
1:02:01 context to find out maybe maybe this is
1:02:03 not going to work for this person and
1:02:05 we've had this before like i had a an
1:02:07 atheist pakistani guy came up to me and
1:02:09 said oh hamza your argument for god's
1:02:11 existence doesn't make sense because
1:02:12 causality doesn't make sense out of the
1:02:13 universe so hopefully i was a little bit
1:02:15 sensitive to his context and i'm not
1:02:17 going to debate him on causality because
1:02:18 in western metaphysics they don't even
1:02:20 have they have ichthy they don't even
1:02:21 have a consensus generally speaking on
1:02:23 the nature of the link right
1:02:26 so i try to explain that kind of stuff
1:02:28 to him and he said well i don't know
1:02:29 what causality means i said well isn't
1:02:30 it very interesting that using a key
1:02:32 word in a sentence to deny allah but you
1:02:34 don't know what that key word means
1:02:36 what's going on and for me that was an
1:02:37 indication that was a psycho spiritual
1:02:39 thing going on and after nice
1:02:40 conversation he basically said i came
1:02:42 from a secular family i didn't know how
1:02:44 to connect to allah
1:02:47 this is a quick summary we've mentioned
1:02:49 this in our courses shaka has mentioned
1:02:50 it in the no doubt personal learning
1:02:51 platform and obviously he's going to
1:02:52 unpack it even further in the course but
1:02:54 i just want to just let you give you
1:02:56 that kind of advice that human beings
1:02:58 are not just
1:03:00 abstract ai machines that you type in a
1:03:02 philosophical algorithm you expect
1:03:04 certain results there needs to be a
1:03:06 sense of psychology and a sense of
1:03:08 understanding where they are where they
1:03:09 come from and it's an intellectual
1:03:10 spiritual empathy and the whole paradigm
1:03:13 awakens you to that because you realize
1:03:14 now you know what this philosophical
1:03:17 hispling is not moving with him because
1:03:18 what about ego now being right and stuff
1:03:20 like that
1:03:22 with the human so that's the power of
1:03:25 the course and by the way this is in my
1:03:27 view not just based on the athari creed
1:03:31 even you have
1:03:33 masters in the ashrae tradition like ali
1:03:35 ghazali that spoke about the fitra and
1:03:37 spoke about when and when not to even
1:03:39 one of his latest books before he died
1:03:41 when and when not to to use abstract
1:03:44 philosophical arguments in actual fact
1:03:45 he would even say some arguments would
1:03:47 be poison for people if it's medicine
1:03:50 for some people but it could be
1:03:51 poisonous and harmful for others so you
1:03:53 know as we know al-ghazali was like a
1:03:54 psychologist he he sought the context
1:03:57 and not unfortunately sometimes in the
1:03:59 online space that mindset from our
1:04:01 tradition is missing and the fitra
1:04:03 paradigm i think can solve it inshallah
1:04:05 bro
1:04:07 not charlie yeah jazak lahayer barak
1:04:09 thank you very much
1:04:12 yeah thank you so much for uh for for
1:04:14 having me on guys i definitely cannot
1:04:16 wait for uh for this course to come out
1:04:18 brother i'll be watching it intently um
1:04:20 i i've been definitely learning a lot uh
1:04:23 obviously i'm very close to brother jake
1:04:24 the muslim metaphysician i've been
1:04:26 watching
1:04:27 uh his his courses on um on testing the
1:04:30 trinity and uh uh i think it's a
1:04:34 creed over
1:04:36 i can't remember what the title of it is
1:04:38 uh but i've been i've been watching that
1:04:40 uh brother jake and some of the other
1:04:42 brothers from thought adventure podcasts
1:04:43 were directly uh they were directly
1:04:45 related to me debating with them as an
1:04:48 atheist for over a year and a half that
1:04:49 brought me you know to islam
1:04:54 been learning a lot you guys have a lot
1:04:56 of really really good courses um uh and
1:04:58 and i i i always try and put out there
1:05:00 like hey if anybody's wanting to learn
1:05:02 more about uh you know nihilism or
1:05:05 anything like that please go ahead and
1:05:06 check out sapience institute
1:05:08 uh yeah i mean
1:05:10 it's free to enroll yeah i mean you just
1:05:11 enroll you take the you take the courses
1:05:14 and and you're good brother yusuf
1:05:15 ponders right there with the nihilism
1:05:17 you've got chris christological
1:05:19 controversy he's talking about the
1:05:20 incarnation with brother jake like
1:05:21 there's tons of different courses on
1:05:23 here that uh that i find great benefit
1:05:25 in so insha'allah you know i i always
1:05:27 try and push this out uh on on my
1:05:29 streams to uh to to my followers that
1:05:31 when i don't want to learn more you guys
1:05:33 have a lot of really good courses
1:05:34 mashallah yeah that's the one you're
1:05:36 talking about christopher creed's christ
1:05:38 over creeds that's what it is yeah yeah
1:05:40 you go to
1:05:41 learn.sapiences.org you have all of
1:05:43 these in-depth courses for free let's
1:05:44 register you can download the
1:05:45 presentation slides take the multiple
1:05:47 choice questions and get your
1:05:49 certificate at the end brother
1:05:51 we've got lots of people it's packed
1:05:52 here so may allah bless you bro may not
1:05:54 keep you firm grant your service
1:05:56 anything you need let us know may allah
1:05:57 bless you and preserve you and grant you
1:05:58 the best in both worlds
1:06:00 inshallah
1:06:05 okay
1:06:06 so well lots of people here so we have
1:06:09 so let me just remove
1:06:11 the
1:06:12 stop the screen share there we go
1:06:14 and let's now have yes sister mario just
1:06:24 sister
1:06:30 medium can't hear you yeah try and i'll
1:06:33 meet your mic if you can't i'll have to
1:06:35 remove you and you have to come back on
1:06:36 again unfortunately
1:06:38 give you a couple of seconds to unmute
1:06:40 yourself
1:06:42 nope
1:06:44 no problem okay so we have
1:06:48 we have
1:06:49 dr
1:06:50 ishvak khan in the house
1:06:55 uh
1:06:58 i'm very very excited and very very
1:07:00 happy
1:07:01 listening to dr dawkins this from
1:07:04 andreas basically
1:07:06 i'm from a medical background
1:07:09 basically my story begins from
1:07:11 all right i belong to a very religious i
1:07:14 belonged a very religious family then i
1:07:16 moved
1:07:18 a community which was you know basically
1:07:21 there have we had this mixture of
1:07:23 cultures religions like they were
1:07:26 in my first year of during mbbs when i
1:07:29 started my training
1:07:31 basically people start having this
1:07:33 emotional kind of islam in me basically
1:07:36 people when you when you are exposed to
1:07:39 this philosophy kind of a thing then
1:07:41 people start asking questions why to
1:07:43 believe in god why to believe in islam
1:07:45 and why to believe in
1:07:47 prophecy so
1:07:49 i had this kind of i cannot
1:07:51 exactly say that these were existential
1:07:53 crisis but these were valued questions
1:07:56 for me so i don't have anybody who could
1:07:59 basically answer these questions for me
1:08:01 but alhamdulillah
1:08:03 allah had plans for me
1:08:05 and i met this guy named namely hamza
1:08:08 andreas zorgius on youtube
1:08:10 along the i'm very happy i'm very proud
1:08:12 to be a muslim but
1:08:14 at the same time having this journey is
1:08:16 a very long journey and a very deep
1:08:19 journey and
1:08:20 uh i'm
1:08:21 you're very close to me and you are more
1:08:23 close to my family believe me because
1:08:26 you gave the confidence uh
1:08:29 you gave that knowledge and you gave
1:08:31 that exact precise answers what i needed
1:08:34 at that stage of life
1:08:36 so so my question uh to
1:08:40 to my ustad
1:08:41 the if i were to basically arrange the
1:08:44 list of teachers on the top throughout
1:08:47 my life will be hamza may allah bless
1:08:49 him my question will be uh to hamza
1:08:52 tomayustad is
1:08:54 is it is
1:08:55 is it very important or
1:08:57 should we expose common people to
1:09:00 philosophy or rationality or this kind
1:09:03 of stuff that we basically discuss this
1:09:06 secularism realism anteriorism nihilism
1:09:10 then you have agnosticism atheism all
1:09:12 these isms and schisms is it uh will it
1:09:16 give us any benefit if we expose common
1:09:19 people like me or somebody else to this
1:09:22 kind of stuff
1:09:24 plus
1:09:25 what is the ultimate uh you know destiny
1:09:28 or ultimate fate of
1:09:30 just following rationality is it
1:09:33 important to have spirituality with it
1:09:36 or is it important to have
1:09:38 some concept of divinity that goes
1:09:41 basically beyond special temporal
1:09:43 boundary so these are my question is
1:09:46 rest of whatever questions i had like
1:09:49 concept of free destination concept of
1:09:52 god and free will and all all have been
1:09:54 uh disgusted
1:09:56 thoroughly and filtered down by us
1:10:00 andreas
1:10:06 a 10 minute conversation with my wife
1:10:08 will change all of your opinions
1:10:10 immediately
1:10:11 so
1:10:12 uh alhamdulillah all praise be to allah
1:10:14 who has
1:10:15 given veils
1:10:16 and provided veils that veils our sins
1:10:19 and our shortcomings and i pray that
1:10:21 allah avails my shortcomings and sins on
1:10:23 the day of judgement
1:10:24 because it will be a thorough
1:10:25 embarrassment so i i do empathize you
1:10:28 know i'm you know sheikh fahed is an
1:10:30 inspiration to me talk to us
1:10:33 inspiration and you know i like to
1:10:35 hopefully have the same love that you're
1:10:37 showing as well and may allah bless you
1:10:38 so what you've done is an inspiration
1:10:40 not because of what you've said because
1:10:42 it's not very accurate but in terms of
1:10:44 the way you expressed it with the love
1:10:45 and that's beautiful and he reminds what
1:10:47 my dad said recently one of we had a
1:10:48 very profound conversation before he
1:10:49 went to greece she'd be coming back soon
1:10:51 inshallah
1:10:52 and he and i was on the phone to her
1:10:54 brother and he was like you know i love
1:10:55 the way you guys speak to each other
1:10:56 like brothers right
1:10:58 it really caught him you know and
1:11:00 sometimes we underestimate this very
1:11:02 special feature that islam has given us
1:11:04 that we have this amazing ability to
1:11:05 connect with people
1:11:07 that we don't really know that well
1:11:09 and that we can show a hell of a lot of
1:11:11 love as if they're they're more close to
1:11:13 us than their own blood brother and that
1:11:15 caught my dad you know he couldn't it
1:11:17 was just a really quick conversation i
1:11:19 don't even know that guy really well by
1:11:20 the way yeah imagine if you heard me
1:11:22 speaking to vad i mean yeah i mean
1:11:30 someone calls me if i had second wife
1:11:32 anyway i'm going to give you much
1:11:32 information but yeah so the point is yes
1:11:36 so i'm going to answer part of it and
1:11:37 i'll give the rest to shahada
1:11:40 by the way talking about brotherhood i
1:11:42 just know i've noticed and just noticed
1:11:44 some conversations that are
1:11:46 misrepresenting people
1:11:48 on the comment box and we need to be
1:11:50 very respectful right and you know some
1:11:53 people have totally misunderstood
1:11:54 people's positions what people are
1:11:56 saying there are people who are senior
1:11:58 in the dialogue
1:12:00 and i want everyone to respect each
1:12:01 other please on the comments if people
1:12:04 have different positions they may
1:12:05 disagree with each other it's not a big
1:12:06 deal um you know this is the dow we're
1:12:08 all trying our best
1:12:10 um and if anyone wants to come on and
1:12:12 have a conversation we're more than
1:12:14 welcome
1:12:15 um you know you know there's a there's a
1:12:17 really beautiful brother brother nadir
1:12:19 and you know i think people are giving a
1:12:20 hard time and you guys having some
1:12:22 friction just be nice to each other
1:12:24 be nice to each other uh support each
1:12:26 other improve each other love each other
1:12:28 come together to
1:12:30 to
1:12:31 to optimize each other right and this is
1:12:34 the way of muslims you know none of this
1:12:36 talking behind people's back you know
1:12:38 name-dropping this time yeah this is not
1:12:40 nice way of behaving
1:12:42 uh and this is not the way that muslims
1:12:44 should behave okay it's very
1:12:46 disheartening to say
1:12:47 you know things that are not nice that
1:12:49 you wouldn't say to someone that you
1:12:50 love speak to people as if you love them
1:12:52 pretend to love them and then it would
1:12:54 change you and then you would change
1:12:55 them okay guys
1:12:57 um anyway give salams to everyone on the
1:12:59 on on the chats so
1:13:02 basically uh with regards to um the
1:13:05 philosophy no way would i teach
1:13:07 philosophy to the general masses i
1:13:09 wouldn't even teach it to my children
1:13:12 because of a few reasons because that's
1:13:14 not the pedagogy of islam that's not the
1:13:16 quranic pedagogy the quran doesn't teach
1:13:19 you this the quran teaches you a form of
1:13:20 sound reasoning yeah
1:13:23 now
1:13:24 and i would focus on that i would focus
1:13:26 on ways to preserve the fitra and to
1:13:29 uncloud the fitra
1:13:31 and this is very important because as
1:13:33 you would see in our courses in the
1:13:34 forthcoming course by shakha
1:13:37 had you know the idea that there are two
1:13:39 main opinions of the fitra one opinion
1:13:41 is that there is some kind of primary
1:13:43 knowledge that allah exists whether you
1:13:45 worship it gets clouded
1:13:46 that's a nice metaphor the other opinion
1:13:48 is that there is no knowledge but it's
1:13:49 like a vehicle that directs you towards
1:13:51 the truth but the windscreen gets
1:13:53 clouded our job is to uncloud the
1:13:54 windscreen to allow the fitter to direct
1:13:57 itself towards the truth
1:13:58 so what you should focus on is focusing
1:14:01 on what preserves the fitra keeps it
1:14:03 clean if you like the windscreen clean
1:14:05 or what unclouds the fitrah and in many
1:14:08 cases it's not abstract in-depth
1:14:10 philosophy it could be but that's not
1:14:12 the default position here
1:14:14 it's it's a form of sound reasoning and
1:14:16 and you would ask me how do i acquire
1:14:17 that sound reasoning due to the word of
1:14:19 the quran and read the book of allah and
1:14:22 read the way the prophet saws relate to
1:14:24 different peoples at different times in
1:14:25 different contexts that's one quick
1:14:27 answer the second answer is
1:14:29 if people decide to go into philosophy
1:14:31 and academia and i mentioned this a lot
1:14:33 five things have to be in place
1:14:35 without a shadow of a doubt and i'm
1:14:38 saying this because i entered into
1:14:40 academia i did a post-graduate
1:14:42 certificate in philosophy i did a
1:14:43 master's in philosophy i did a master's
1:14:45 in research and now i'm doing a phd
1:14:47 hopefully i'm not missing one of these
1:14:48 things just to blow my trumpet i'm
1:14:49 saying it so i'm giving you a context i
1:14:51 know where i'm coming from
1:14:52 there's five things that have to be in
1:14:54 place number one you have to have a
1:14:56 sound understanding of the islamic creed
1:14:58 a foundational understanding yeah you
1:15:00 have to know who is allah you have to
1:15:03 understand allah's names and attributes
1:15:05 you have to understand these important
1:15:07 credo matters how do i relate to allah
1:15:09 and so on and so forth secondly you have
1:15:12 to pray five times a day without a doubt
1:15:15 you have to do your dick and your your
1:15:17 off guard in the morning and the evening
1:15:18 your remembrance of allah in the morning
1:15:19 of the evening basically you have to
1:15:20 protect your heart
1:15:22 you have to do things that protect the
1:15:24 spiritual heart because the kalb
1:15:26 the
1:15:27 wavers and the and the
1:15:28 intellect according to the majority of
1:15:30 the scholars is a function of the cult
1:15:33 so no matter how much information
1:15:35 philosophy you have if it's in the pub
1:15:37 that is wavering and it's diseased with
1:15:39 kibber with arrogance or hasad and so on
1:15:41 and so forth then it's not going on
1:15:43 anywhere you have to protect the heart
1:15:44 okay
1:15:45 because the aqua is a function of it so
1:15:48 anything that comes in could be filtered
1:15:50 if the heart is sound and clean then
1:15:53 it's okay but if it's got diseases then
1:15:55 how the aqua is gonna function is gonna
1:15:58 be disturbed okay
1:16:00 so you have to protect your heart pray
1:16:01 five times a day and so on and so forth
1:16:02 third point you have to have good people
1:16:04 around you good friends and peers you
1:16:06 are the product of at least five people
1:16:07 around you the closest people around you
1:16:09 you are a product of them no matter you
1:16:10 might think you're a leader and someone
1:16:12 special get over yourself let's get over
1:16:14 ourselves we are the product of the
1:16:16 people around us the prophet saw some
1:16:17 said that you're going to be upon the
1:16:19 religion of your of your friends you're
1:16:21 going to be with those that you love we
1:16:22 know all the hadith the blacksmith the
1:16:24 perfume seller if you hang around with
1:16:26 both of them you're going to smell of
1:16:28 the environment so and this is online
1:16:30 with social psychology and you know
1:16:32 research in in social influence now the
1:16:35 the fourth point you have to have a
1:16:38 direct contact with mainstream early
1:16:40 math scholars
1:16:41 don't think that you know it all you
1:16:42 don't i don't we have cognitive
1:16:44 limitations we stand on the shuttles of
1:16:46 giants our scholars know the answers
1:16:48 from the quran sunnah they may not know
1:16:50 the philosophy or these new areas but
1:16:52 they know how to apply it to that and
1:16:54 engage with that you may think oh i know
1:16:56 the answer but your answer may sound
1:16:58 right
1:16:59 but it could be
1:17:00 right so you gotta be very careful be
1:17:02 happy connection with mainstream
1:17:03 scholars the fifth point which is
1:17:06 could be the most important have the
1:17:08 right intention don't do it just because
1:17:11 your friends are doing it or you wanna
1:17:13 one day go to a french cafe with a
1:17:15 moustache and smoke a cigarette and sip
1:17:17 a a glass of coffee and just look at i
1:17:19 don't know god knows some
1:17:21 some parisian architecture no you don't
1:17:25 you don't want to be like that this is
1:17:27 not a game it's not showing off this is
1:17:29 real hard stuff i'm telling you and
1:17:30 that's why
1:17:31 my position is aslan meaning
1:17:34 foundationally
1:17:35 studying philosophy
1:17:38 is
1:17:39 most likely haram
1:17:40 that's my position
1:17:43 if you don't have these things in place
1:17:44 and even in that context you have to be
1:17:46 very very careful and you have to have
1:17:48 the right intention okay
1:17:50 so hopefully that's answered the
1:17:52 question somewhat don't get me wrong we
1:17:54 have a great tradition by the way i'm
1:17:56 echoing this is what al al-ghazadi said
1:17:58 right the one who wrote to hafez and the
1:18:00 incoherence of the philosophers and so
1:18:01 on and so forth he would say the same
1:18:04 thing about what you call element he
1:18:06 said you don't give this feel
1:18:08 philosophical abstract stuff to people
1:18:10 who who who who if you see the
1:18:13 psychological state it's not for them
1:18:15 you could it could be that that
1:18:16 so-called medicine could be poisoned for
1:18:18 them so you have to understand the
1:18:19 psychological context and generally
1:18:21 speaking the masses don't need the stuff
1:18:23 they just need sound reasoning that is
1:18:26 uh portrayed in the quran and the son of
1:18:28 the prophet saw
1:18:30 and this is extremely important to
1:18:31 understand
1:18:33 so
1:18:34 um and this is also important because
1:18:36 look you know as philosophers were
1:18:37 trained to play around with premises and
1:18:39 it could change your conclusion and
1:18:40 that's alexander mentions
1:18:43 by the way i'm not sure which of the
1:18:44 ghazalis if it was the egyptian modern
1:18:46 one or is the the 11th century
1:18:47 al-ghazali i'm not sure you have to
1:18:48 double check
1:18:49 but one of the ali ghazali's mentioned
1:18:51 something very profound says don't make
1:18:53 your iman contingent dependent on a
1:18:56 carefully uh
1:18:58 structured argument that's a deductive
1:19:00 argument with premises obviously they
1:19:02 didn't use these words but i'm just
1:19:03 giving you the picture because someone
1:19:05 could play around with your premises if
1:19:06 someone's smart and there's people
1:19:08 smarter than you they could play with
1:19:09 your premises what are you going to do
1:19:11 reject your conclusion
1:19:13 so he concludes that you know iman is
1:19:16 actually internalizing the quran sunnah
1:19:18 practicing the deen when the person says
1:19:20 something and he said it's gonna happen
1:19:21 it's gonna have this impact and you
1:19:23 internalize it sincerely and you follow
1:19:25 it and it's had the impact then you're
1:19:26 tasting it tasting iman is different
1:19:29 than talking about iman like for example
1:19:31 if someone gave me a mango and i
1:19:33 actually tasted the mango
1:19:35 and i said this mango is beautiful
1:19:37 beautiful it's so sweet like the
1:19:39 pakistani mangoes are the best mangoes
1:19:40 on the planet right when i have that
1:19:42 mango it's amazing if the whole world
1:19:44 came to me and said hamza you're wrong
1:19:47 that mango is bitter
1:19:49 and i know they've never tasted the
1:19:50 mango why would should i believe them
1:19:52 i'm the one who tasted it likewise with
1:19:55 iman when you taste it
1:19:57 and you know the whole world or a lot of
1:19:59 the world are saying to your eyes
1:20:00 rubbish
1:20:01 then you know it's not going to have an
1:20:03 impact in you right in actual fact them
1:20:05 saying it's rubbish isn't only going to
1:20:07 increase your iman just like what it did
1:20:09 with the sahabah right
1:20:10 so may allah make us people of fitra so
1:20:13 far you take the other questions
1:20:16 what
1:20:17 [Laughter]
1:20:30 central point in the quran yeah go for
1:20:32 it
1:20:33 yeah sorry
1:20:35 yeah go ahead
1:20:37 yeah my question was
1:20:39 what is the ultimate fate if somebody
1:20:42 just follows crude philosophy suppose if
1:20:45 i'm a muslim i don't have any
1:20:53 the knowledge that our scholars have
1:20:55 given us suppose i don't have that and
1:20:57 at the first time i come in exposure
1:21:00 with these
1:21:01 basically these natural listers or the
1:21:03 philosophy they put in so what would be
1:21:06 my ultimate fate or
1:21:09 even if a person outside the faith like
1:21:11 suppose he doesn't belong to islam what
1:21:14 would where will he actually end up what
1:21:17 would he actually end up being as a
1:21:20 person whether he will be a believer or
1:21:23 he will be an agnostic or he will be an
1:21:25 atheist what is generally or commonly
1:21:28 they they basically end point of
1:21:30 studying philosophy
1:21:32 this was my question
1:21:34 i see okay so i think i mean hamza kind
1:21:37 of covered the the first initial part of
1:21:40 that i mean i'll kind of add to that and
1:21:41 just say
1:21:42 you know the thing is um
1:21:45 you know you have to be able to like
1:21:47 like hamza said you have to be able to
1:21:48 taste iman and things like that right
1:21:50 if a person is just fully
1:21:53 just only operational and then
1:21:56 operational cognitively meaning they're
1:21:57 saying okay well everything has to make
1:21:59 sense to me and i'm basically going to
1:22:00 operate like that first of all that's
1:22:02 not really going to get anyone anywhere
1:22:03 right i mean the the the fact that you
1:22:06 have people and i'm just kind of echoing
1:22:08 what hamza said here the fact that
1:22:10 you're going to have people smarter than
1:22:11 you and they disagree on those
1:22:12 fine-tooth philosophical issues i mean
1:22:15 that's not going to give you any sort of
1:22:16 certainty anyway right because you're
1:22:17 going to think okay there's people
1:22:19 smarter than me and they can't agree
1:22:21 well how how am i supposed to like how
1:22:22 am i supposed to move forward in this
1:22:24 right and so that's why
1:22:26 when we understand
1:22:27 um that a fetheric approach or a fitra
1:22:31 based approach
1:22:33 is something that in fact is number one
1:22:34 more sound to start off with anyway
1:22:37 right and number two that it's it's it's
1:22:40 the
1:22:41 i mean i i i may be kind of getting
1:22:43 myself into a corner here but it may be
1:22:45 one of the only ways to get to absolute
1:22:47 certainty right
1:22:48 only because
1:22:50 that if you are in the realm of just
1:22:52 rationality then it's almost as if
1:22:55 you're saying i'm going to jettison
1:22:56 anything outside of it but you're just
1:22:58 going to get lost with one argument
1:23:00 after another after another and there's
1:23:01 a saying that they have in urdu they say
1:23:07 in other words the the the the
1:23:10 the intellect will cut the intellect
1:23:12 like iron can cut iron right basically
1:23:15 it's like you can go on this infinite
1:23:16 loop of just kind of one argument after
1:23:18 another after another
1:23:20 now as far as what is the the fate of
1:23:23 someone that's just using their
1:23:24 rationality
1:23:26 i mean i i don't know if i understand
1:23:28 the question fully right because
1:23:31 obviously we
1:23:32 certain conclusions we have to reach by
1:23:34 way of rationality we can't just say
1:23:36 we're going to do away with rationality
1:23:37 altogether
1:23:38 so
1:23:40 when you say only rationality i'm not
1:23:42 really sure what what that means
1:23:44 in a sense you rationality can't
1:23:46 function
1:23:47 unless you unless you have something
1:23:49 outside of it anyway like you need
1:23:51 axioms for instance in order for
1:23:52 rationality to function you need
1:23:54 something you know you need like the
1:23:55 super rational the fit that in order for
1:23:57 the function so
1:23:58 so that being the case um
1:24:00 you know if you're saying that i'm only
1:24:02 going to work with rationality one of
1:24:04 the things this could lead to is what we
1:24:06 call radical skepticism
1:24:07 and radical skepticism
1:24:10 if you're only in the realm of
1:24:11 rationality um it doesn't lead you
1:24:14 anywhere except gopher anyways right in
1:24:16 other words you're you're skeptical
1:24:18 about everything
1:24:19 so
1:24:20 and a really good article on this by the
1:24:22 way is by dr uh
1:24:24 nazir han on the yakin website
1:24:27 ukraine institute and he talks about a
1:24:29 radical skepticism and how that you know
1:24:32 that if that's the realm that a person's
1:24:35 in using their rationality only which
1:24:38 only isn't you know getting you to
1:24:40 doubting one thing after another after
1:24:42 another
1:24:43 that can be very very problematic right
1:24:45 i remember uh he was mentioning
1:24:47 something i don't know if this is in the
1:24:48 article or something he said he said i
1:24:50 saw a debate between a theist and an
1:24:52 atheist once
1:24:53 and uh the theist asked the atheist he
1:24:55 said look what kind of proof do you need
1:24:58 that god exists you know like if you saw
1:25:00 god
1:25:01 would you be convinced and so the
1:25:03 atheist said well yeah yeah then i'd be
1:25:05 convinced and he said wait wait
1:25:07 no then i don't think my eyes are
1:25:08 deceiving me right so he said it
1:25:11 reminded me there's an eye in the quran
1:25:12 where allah says that if the sky opened
1:25:15 up and they saw a book come out of the
1:25:16 sky and they saw it with their eyes they
1:25:19 would say no this is nothing but magic
1:25:20 our eyes are deceiving us
1:25:22 right
1:25:23 so
1:25:24 um so
1:25:25 when you're talking about like pure
1:25:27 rationality again i'm not sure exactly
1:25:30 what you're referring to
1:25:31 but pure rationality you know if you're
1:25:34 gonna jettison any concept of
1:25:36 anything outside of rationality axioms
1:25:39 first principles and things like that
1:25:40 then really the only refuge you have
1:25:43 is skepticism and it doesn't really
1:25:45 offer much of a refuge anyway it just it
1:25:47 doesn't take you anywhere so and radical
1:25:49 steps at the end yeah and i think it's
1:25:52 important to understand what do you mean
1:25:53 by rationality because there is a
1:25:55 distinction between what a modern
1:25:57 understanding of rational arguments and
1:25:59 the quranic understanding of the sound
1:26:01 occurred because what i think what's
1:26:02 interesting about the quran
1:26:04 when
1:26:05 allah mentions verses concerning natural
1:26:07 phenomena generally speaking you're
1:26:09 going to find what you call an epistemic
1:26:11 goal a conclusion that allah wants you
1:26:13 to give
1:26:14 so allah subhanahu wa ta'ala when he
1:26:16 talks about
1:26:18 whether it's
1:26:20 the sexual fluid whether it's the orbits
1:26:22 whether it's the mountains the birds the
1:26:24 animal communities the sun the moon
1:26:27 the alapa the formation of the human
1:26:29 being when allah mentions these things
1:26:31 allah gives us what you call an
1:26:34 epistemic goal a conclusion
1:26:36 he wants us to have
1:26:38 so for example surah minoon chapter 23
1:26:41 verse 14 allah mentions
1:26:43 all the other things and then allah
1:26:44 talks about that he is the greater of
1:26:46 creator he's the perfect creator and he
1:26:48 talks about that you know resurrection
1:26:49 essentially is a fact right
1:26:51 these are the epistemic goals allah is
1:26:53 telling you when you reflect on these
1:26:55 things this is exactly what you should
1:26:57 conclude
1:26:58 this is the prima facie reading the
1:27:00 apparent reading of the quran it is of a
1:27:03 disgraceful adap it is an epistemic vice
1:27:08 to read these ayats and then conclude
1:27:10 something totally against or or or
1:27:13 ignoring the goals allah is giving us
1:27:16 the lord of the heavens and the earth
1:27:18 has sent down this book to us and he's
1:27:20 giving us a book
1:27:22 and telling us to refer on natural
1:27:24 phenomena and allah is giving us the
1:27:26 conclusions and yet we ignore those
1:27:28 conclusions don't get me wrong there
1:27:29 could be secondary conclusions in
1:27:31 tertiary the book of allah is very
1:27:32 multi-layered
1:27:34 now why am i mentioning this
1:27:36 i'm mentioning this because many of
1:27:37 these conclusions are in certain
1:27:38 categories you know what categories they
1:27:40 are it's about who we are how we should
1:27:43 relate to allah and who allah is
1:27:45 for example we must be humble we must be
1:27:47 grateful to allah we must be in awe of
1:27:49 him we must affirm his perfection we
1:27:51 must believe he is one we must reject
1:27:53 the association of partners with allah
1:27:55 subhanahu wa ta'ala affirm his tawheed
1:27:57 that he is maximally perfect he he's
1:27:59 uniquely one
1:28:00 this is what allah is giving us i
1:28:02 challenge anyone on this planet to read
1:28:04 the quran and look at verses concerning
1:28:06 natural phenomena and you will find
1:28:08 these epistemic goals
1:28:10 whether it's about who allah is who we
1:28:12 should how we should relate to allah and
1:28:14 who we are as human beings right
1:28:16 all of this is essential in developing
1:28:19 the truth acquiring the truth because
1:28:21 all of it is central to the idea of
1:28:23 worshiping allah and acknowledging him
1:28:26 and affirming that he is the only deity
1:28:28 worthy of worship
1:28:30 and how does allah tell us
1:28:33 to form these conclusions so allah is
1:28:34 telling us what to look at what to
1:28:36 reflect on he's giving us the
1:28:37 conclusions and he's also telling us
1:28:40 what mental cognitive psychological
1:28:42 spiritual state we must be in and what
1:28:43 does allah say five major things the sa
1:28:46 ileem those who ask questions
1:28:51 those who reflect yat bruna those who
1:28:54 ponder
1:28:56 those who use their intellect al-bab
1:28:59 those who have deep insights people of
1:29:01 insight so allah is telling you who you
1:29:03 must become and all of these things in
1:29:05 our classical tradition have a
1:29:06 particular definition
1:29:08 and it's not the same as having abstract
1:29:11 rational arguments because a lot of
1:29:13 things are also connected to our
1:29:14 spiritual heart arrogance and so on and
1:29:16 so forth and this is very very important
1:29:19 for us to understand because
1:29:21 i'm using this as an example to you and
1:29:23 for you to understand
1:29:25 that when you are people who ask
1:29:27 questions you have a sound intellect you
1:29:30 ponder you reflect your people of
1:29:32 insight and you reflect on these verses
1:29:35 then you would affirm talheed you would
1:29:37 affirm the truth of islam so there is a
1:29:40 connection between someone who asks
1:29:41 questions thinking pondering using your
1:29:43 brain being a person of insight
1:29:46 and affirming the truth of islam
1:29:49 and but those things have a particular
1:29:51 definition and not they're not you know
1:29:53 it's not a mirror to what we understand
1:29:56 in a contemporary sense that you have to
1:29:58 you know know the ins and outs of
1:30:00 logical arguments and deductive
1:30:02 arguments and logical inferences and
1:30:04 stuff like that so hopefully that helps
1:30:06 and this is close to my heart because
1:30:07 it's very important it's very important
1:30:08 because you know
1:30:10 you know if i i know this is like off
1:30:12 topic but if i gave you a book right
1:30:14 pick any book say i'm reading a book say
1:30:16 it's on
1:30:18 i don't know
1:30:19 the muscle fascia
1:30:21 says on muscle fascia let's take the
1:30:23 book anatomy demystified by dr dale
1:30:25 layman and we read the first paragraph
1:30:27 when he's talking about muscle fascia
1:30:30 and we know that book is written in a
1:30:32 straightforward sense to give us some
1:30:33 informative content and we know that he
1:30:35 intends what he's giving us is true it's
1:30:38 a reflection of reality and
1:30:40 what he's talking about uh he's doing it
1:30:42 in a way for us to acknowledge those
1:30:44 basic truths about muscle fascia imagine
1:30:47 we approached that paragraph
1:30:49 by just pretending it was a book of
1:30:51 poetry
1:30:52 and imagine we we we approached that
1:30:55 paragraph by assuming he was wrong
1:30:58 and
1:30:59 his intent was malicious
1:31:01 that he didn't want to tell us anything
1:31:02 about the truth of muscle fascia and
1:31:04 imagine we basically went against his
1:31:07 epistemic goal because his epistemic
1:31:09 goal is to teach us something about
1:31:10 muscle fasia but we think somehow if we
1:31:12 do linguistic gymnastics we're going to
1:31:14 learn something about um cosmology right
1:31:18 imagine we did that would that be wrong
1:31:20 would that be bad
1:31:22 would that be bad
1:31:24 bloody hell would be bad what about the
1:31:26 book of allah what about the book of
1:31:28 allah that has come down to guide us and
1:31:31 many of us we approach the book of allah
1:31:33 and we do exactly that we we just ignore
1:31:37 what allah wants us to conclude we
1:31:39 ignore the way we should approach the
1:31:40 book of allah and because we're infected
1:31:43 with an inferiority complex that's why
1:31:45 because we think we should do an ic
1:31:47 jesus we should read into the book of
1:31:49 allah not allow the quran to give to us
1:31:52 we think we should give to the quran
1:31:56 protect us from this and i believe if
1:31:58 you have this approach primarily allah
1:32:01 would open things for you in your life
1:32:03 your spiritual intellectual life wallahi
1:32:05 allah would open things in your
1:32:07 spiritual and your intellectual life and
1:32:09 yes if you want to do the secondary
1:32:11 stuff go ahead no problem no problem
1:32:16 anyway
1:32:18 let's move on sorry bro
1:32:21 i do apologize
1:32:23 you know i was giving this thing for
1:32:24 alpha lag academy
1:32:26 the other day and i went on a crazy run
1:32:29 on this issue because it was so close to
1:32:31 home
1:32:32 it was really funny it was really funny
1:32:36 guys look okay so i'm just wondering why
1:32:38 you're reading about muscle facial man
1:32:40 i'm like what he has a book on muscle
1:32:41 like why
1:32:43 so um okay let's now talk to
1:32:47 um hopefully we should go for this
1:32:50 just half an hour more and and we should
1:32:52 close it in sha allah let's take someone
1:32:55 who we haven't spoken to let's speak to
1:32:58 yusuf islam yusuf
1:33:03 you might you might be muted yusuf
1:33:08 unmute thyself
1:33:15 hello
1:33:16 there we go
1:33:20 uh i left my question in the comments
1:33:25 okay i didn't see it i do apologize
1:33:28 no it's fine um because i can use the
1:33:30 microphone right now in the situation
1:33:32 but i'll like watch the video uh when
1:33:36 [Music]
1:33:50 [Music]
1:33:52 yes
1:33:53 all right so my question is about
1:33:56 the futuristic view of the field that
1:34:00 you are working on the field of
1:34:03 islam in terms of philosophy of science
1:34:05 in terms of its relation to atheism etc
1:34:09 the islamization of knowledge um i i
1:34:12 have interest in that field but i don't
1:34:15 know in the future how will uh this
1:34:18 progress and what kind of projects do we
1:34:20 need in that field because uh like as
1:34:22 much as i see there are lots of projects
1:34:24 going on lots of theoretical projects so
1:34:27 i don't know in the future
1:34:28 how how do we need to approach this kind
1:34:30 of field so i'm kind of like planning
1:34:33 my uh
1:34:34 my let's say i don't know their thing
1:34:37 um at the same time i'm a medical
1:34:40 student
1:34:41 i'm still in my second year and i don't
1:34:44 know if
1:34:45 if
1:34:46 it is possible to mix the two to mix the
1:34:49 two uh
1:34:50 to the two carriers no they're not
1:34:52 carriers but to mix the two fields
1:34:53 together and working or should i just
1:34:56 focus on my medical studies and um and
1:35:00 this can
1:35:01 this can be uh useful to them or
1:35:03 something um thank you so much
1:35:05 no problem sister okay so i'll answer
1:35:08 one part check five to answer the other
1:35:10 so as a general rule when we're trying
1:35:12 to islamify knowledge it's very
1:35:13 important
1:35:15 that
1:35:16 we do it in the right way because
1:35:17 usually what happens especially in the
1:35:18 academic sphere like the secular academy
1:35:21 if you like is that an islamification of
1:35:23 knowledge is that we adopt
1:35:26 the secular paradigm irrespective of its
1:35:28 truth value or or if we've analyzed it
1:35:30 or not just because it's become the
1:35:33 dominant kind of worldview or
1:35:35 perspective or it's a dominant academic
1:35:37 force and we're social human beings and
1:35:39 we get affected by that right by peer
1:35:41 pressure and so on and so forth and what
1:35:43 we do we adopt false epistemological and
1:35:45 metaphysical assumptions
1:35:47 and we don't realize that
1:35:49 and we adopt for example an unhealthy
1:35:52 skepticism which exists in the kind of
1:35:54 secular paradigm and we may addre adopt
1:35:57 a certain metaphysic a first principle a
1:36:00 lens in order to understand ourselves in
1:36:02 the world like for example philosophical
1:36:03 naturalism
1:36:05 and we will use that to try to islamify
1:36:07 some things and just put some islamic
1:36:08 terminology and just trying to do some
1:36:10 kind of crazy link to the quran on the
1:36:12 sunnah that's a very terrible state of
1:36:14 affairs
1:36:15 and and even the the prioritization
1:36:19 of what i call an epistemic hierarchy
1:36:20 i've just made that up now right because
1:36:22 you know for example when it comes take
1:36:24 the preservation of the quran
1:36:26 generally speaking in western uh history
1:36:30 you will see that the philosophy is if
1:36:32 you see it then it's better right
1:36:35 but when it came to preservation of the
1:36:36 quran the physical copy of the quran was
1:36:38 a secondary kind of epistemic source the
1:36:40 primary source was the oral tradition
1:36:42 the mutawata and that has its own
1:36:44 philosophy its own thinking but we've
1:36:47 ignored that and we've adopted the wrong
1:36:49 epistemic hierarchy and we're starting
1:36:52 to find manuscripts under some mosques
1:36:54 somewhere just to try and justify our
1:36:55 position
1:36:56 and we've misunderstood our own
1:36:58 epistemology so what's very important
1:37:01 if we're going to try and islamify
1:37:03 knowledge and this is a bigger topic for
1:37:05 us to discuss another time of course but
1:37:07 the main principles we should we should
1:37:09 adopt is first and foremost do i know my
1:37:12 islam
1:37:13 that's very important and do i know what
1:37:16 islamic epistemology is the sources of
1:37:18 knowledge and how we get to know things
1:37:20 and do understand islamic metaphysics
1:37:22 and what i mean by that is what are the
1:37:23 kind of first principles what's the
1:37:25 fitnah what are these essential first
1:37:28 principles that are part of my deen that
1:37:30 form the lenses that allow me to truly
1:37:33 understand myself my world and my in the
1:37:35 relation with it yeah my relation with
1:37:37 the world if we don't get that right
1:37:39 then when we try to simplify knowledge
1:37:41 what we do we just adopt what we think
1:37:42 may be true in the secular paradigm and
1:37:45 we sprinkle on it some kind of uh
1:37:47 arabisms
1:37:49 i know this sounds very crude but you
1:37:51 see this a lot and you see people jump
1:37:53 into these false paradigms these false
1:37:55 epistemic assumptions like for example
1:37:57 this whole thing on human rights
1:37:59 right
1:38:00 human rights and you don't get me wrong
1:38:02 of course we believe in human rights
1:38:05 is part of our ethical tradition the
1:38:07 rights of of the servers the rights of
1:38:09 the individuals but we have a particular
1:38:12 epistemology and a particular source of
1:38:15 knowledge that allows us to dictate well
1:38:18 who has the right to give us these
1:38:19 rights what are these rights and who
1:38:22 prioritizes his rights what criteria do
1:38:24 you have
1:38:25 to basically prioritize them if there
1:38:27 was any friction between a set of rights
1:38:30 but what what we do now because we don't
1:38:33 understand our own epistemology in our
1:38:35 own frame of reference i.e revelation we
1:38:38 look at the
1:38:39 dominant world and we just adopt what
1:38:41 they give us irrespective where it came
1:38:43 from irrespective of if it has an
1:38:45 individualist bias irrespective it has a
1:38:48 liberal bias right even the liberal
1:38:50 saying the human rights project is a
1:38:52 liberal project it has liberal
1:38:54 philosophical presuppositions right and
1:38:56 there are many rights that are supposed
1:38:58 to be that are not there or the many
1:38:59 rights that should be prioritized over
1:39:01 other rights that are not why because
1:39:03 they don't have hidayah they don't have
1:39:04 guidance but we what do we do ah human
1:39:06 rights yeah it's brilliant this is what
1:39:08 they give us and just go down the
1:39:10 epistemological and philosophical lizard
1:39:12 hall yeah
1:39:13 so we have to be very careful rihanni
1:39:15 and it's in and unfortunately even
1:39:17 brothers that we we we adore and we
1:39:19 respect maybe sometimes you know people
1:39:21 in the public sphere they get affected
1:39:23 by
1:39:24 by these philosophical lizard holes and
1:39:26 we have to pull them out
1:39:29 yeah no i was i'll piggyback off of that
1:39:31 it was just it was you reminded me of
1:39:32 something we were speaking about the
1:39:33 other night
1:39:35 on uh that extended talk that i gave
1:39:38 um we were actually speaking about
1:39:41 uh something that i had termed
1:39:43 operational logic right so there's a
1:39:45 section on feminism that i was covering
1:39:47 and i was talking about first wave
1:39:49 feminism and i said that look you know
1:39:51 there are certain things that you'll
1:39:52 look at and say okay well that's good
1:39:54 like women should be educated that's a
1:39:56 good thing and you know in certain
1:39:58 scenarios like women should have
1:39:59 particular
1:40:00 political participation that's good
1:40:03 but just because two things
1:40:05 you know uh you have kind of
1:40:08 two things that are happening and they
1:40:09 both look the same it doesn't mean you
1:40:11 understand the operational logic behind
1:40:13 both of those things so yeah islam
1:40:14 believes in women's education
1:40:16 first way feminism believes in women's
1:40:18 education right political participation
1:40:20 in islam you know women came and gave
1:40:22 bailout to the prophet sallam right and
1:40:25 there's an idea of political
1:40:26 participation within first wave feminism
1:40:28 okay now up to this point you're saying
1:40:29 okay so you can have islamic feminism or
1:40:32 feminism in islam or one of the same
1:40:33 thing but there's a different
1:40:35 operational logic that's going on here
1:40:37 right there's something that's in the
1:40:38 background that's completely different
1:40:40 and that's why it moves first wave to
1:40:42 second wave this is where they start
1:40:44 having attacks on motherhood and things
1:40:45 like that because a person did not
1:40:47 understand the operational logic behind
1:40:49 these things similarly with liberalism
1:40:52 itself right we were talking about
1:40:53 classical liberalism the idea that they
1:40:56 viewed nature uh you know the idea they
1:40:58 viewed the idea that human is born in
1:41:00 the state of freedom
1:41:01 and if that's the case then nature
1:41:03 should be mastered and this is your
1:41:05 classical liberalism which we call
1:41:06 conservativism today right that and
1:41:09 that's why you have concepts of free
1:41:10 market you know this
1:41:11 nature can be uh nature can be can be
1:41:14 can be can be taken over can be mastered
1:41:15 okay
1:41:16 now by way of their technology they go
1:41:18 out they have scientific discoveries all
1:41:20 right so now a person looks at it says
1:41:21 well muslims have scientific discoveries
1:41:24 and this this idea of liberalism
1:41:26 specifically classical liberalism has
1:41:28 mastery of nature and so they had
1:41:29 scientific progress
1:41:30 but our operational logic and their
1:41:33 operational logic is two different
1:41:34 things they're mastering
1:41:37 the natural world to extend freedom as
1:41:40 far as possible
1:41:42 we are studying nature right from these
1:41:44 if you talk about islamic scientists
1:41:46 why we're looking at okay these are the
1:41:48 ayat that allah mentioned in the quran
1:41:50 we want to know more about it how do we
1:41:51 get closer to allah and these things are
1:41:53 reflected in many areas i talked about
1:41:55 architecture for instance when you look
1:41:57 at architecture in the world today
1:41:59 you're going to find that you walk into
1:42:01 buildings and things the the most
1:42:03 important part of a building is
1:42:04 productivity
1:42:05 drab you know angular buildings that are
1:42:08 there to give you the highest level of
1:42:09 productivity you look at islamic
1:42:11 architecture
1:42:12 you're trying to connect people to the
1:42:14 divine in a certain sense you go to you
1:42:15 know alhambra and things like that
1:42:17 all of that is evidence to the
1:42:19 difference in operational logic so you
1:42:21 could have science here and science here
1:42:23 but when a muslim does science and and
1:42:25 let's say someone under this liberal
1:42:27 paradigm the science the operational
1:42:29 logic is different
1:42:30 if you don't recognize that and you're
1:42:32 trying to islamicize science then it was
1:42:35 like mentioning you just paint you know
1:42:37 you're taking a paintbrush and painting
1:42:39 islam over it and this happens in
1:42:41 science it happens in psychology it
1:42:43 happens especially in economics and
1:42:45 finance how many times do we just take
1:42:48 something that's extant oh this is a
1:42:50 great thing and just paint islamic
1:42:52 finance on it like boom there you go we
1:42:54 painted islam and at the core we haven't
1:42:56 really
1:42:57 we haven't been really honest and taken
1:42:59 a step back and said you know what
1:43:01 what's the operational logic here is
1:43:03 this part of my world view or is this
1:43:06 something that i've just taken adopted
1:43:08 and just said and put put the word islam
1:43:10 in front of it and and you know and i
1:43:12 always i say that to people all the time
1:43:14 why do you take something and just stick
1:43:17 the word islam in front of it does it
1:43:18 make you feel better at night islamic
1:43:20 feminism islamic socialism islamic
1:43:22 democracy islamic economy dude leave
1:43:24 islam alone islam is complete it is a
1:43:26 world view
1:43:28 it's going to be like islamic is a
1:43:30 islamic christianity
1:43:31 yeah islamic it's like what
1:43:35 so anyways that was my rant so i figured
1:43:38 you had a random one too but no that's
1:43:40 that's perfect bro
1:43:41 yeah so at the end of the day you know
1:43:43 when we talk about you know islamization
1:43:45 of science i i'm just going to reiterate
1:43:48 what hamza is saying we have to be
1:43:49 really careful and we have to understand
1:43:51 our worldview and and take a
1:43:53 paradigmatic look at what we are trying
1:43:56 to islamize right and does it even need
1:43:59 islamization or can we now take it as is
1:44:02 and and do something with it as is
1:44:05 without sacrificing our own
1:44:07 understanding of the world in our own
1:44:08 world view very very important i think
1:44:11 the second question yeah go ahead sorry
1:44:12 well
1:44:13 it reminds me of when i think we had
1:44:15 discussions ages ago when we did
1:44:16 webinars on islamic economics and
1:44:20 one of us mentioned it was like uh
1:44:22 capitalism with the taspie
1:44:26 captain
1:44:27 and that's why it's very important to
1:44:29 understand what is
1:44:30 the main objectives of the quran and the
1:44:32 sunnah and what do they actually say on
1:44:33 these matters devoid now the question is
1:44:36 can you
1:44:37 can you understand these things devoid
1:44:39 of
1:44:40 your current context i mean you can to a
1:44:42 degree of course but the view of islam
1:44:44 is it can be applied truly to your
1:44:47 context but the first thing is first
1:44:48 find out what the quran and the
1:44:50 prophetic
1:44:51 way is that's very important you know
1:44:53 yeah that's why we stress like you know
1:44:56 on our section on world views you know
1:44:58 i've
1:44:59 since we've we since we recorded the
1:45:01 sessions on
1:45:02 uh on our learning platform i actually
1:45:04 added a section to that in that islam is
1:45:06 not a religion we have this conceptual
1:45:08 domain of the concept of religion that
1:45:10 we've put islam into it
1:45:12 and then we've given it borders which we
1:45:14 haven't given it but by way of our
1:45:16 language when we say religion
1:45:17 immediately you put it in a box it has a
1:45:19 certain conceptual domain it has
1:45:20 conceptual borders and now once you
1:45:22 start speaking outside of those borders
1:45:24 everyone is losing their minds because
1:45:26 like wait a minute how are we supposed
1:45:27 to no
1:45:29 a better way of understanding islam is a
1:45:31 worldview
1:45:33 that where you can juxtapose truth and
1:45:34 meaning versus
1:45:36 non-truth and non-meaning
1:45:38 and that is way more comprehensive and
1:45:40 gives you a better understanding of
1:45:41 viewing things like liberalism and
1:45:43 feminism and the lgbtq and all that
1:45:44 stuff because now you understand islam
1:45:47 to be
1:45:47 way broader in terms of its conceptual
1:45:50 you know vastness
1:45:52 as opposed to you know putting it in a
1:45:54 box and then trying to apply it and then
1:45:56 painting islam over whatever concept you
1:45:58 want to take that comes from a liberal
1:46:00 paradigm anyway anyway
1:46:03 okay so let's
1:46:05 have friendly muslim salaam alaikum
1:46:07 friendly muslim
1:46:10 well looking salon brother sorry i was
1:46:12 uh so intrigued with the conversation
1:46:15 and so deep the brother khalil took my
1:46:17 first question um you know when he
1:46:19 mentioned uh uh people keep mentioning
1:46:21 the fitra to him i happen to be one of
1:46:23 those people um
1:46:25 then you moved on to the other other
1:46:27 brother and again went through you know
1:46:29 the attributes and our understanding um
1:46:32 so it's been magnificent just soaking in
1:46:35 all this information while sitting at
1:46:37 backstage i feel like a vip backstage
1:46:40 watching you um the love brothers and um
1:46:44 no no no no absolutely the brother yusef
1:46:46 who was there he he wrote in the private
1:46:49 chat um a question um
1:46:52 hey i didn't i haven't even seen the
1:46:54 private chat i do apologize so i mean if
1:46:56 you don't mind i can ask the question on
1:46:58 his behalf because the brother seems to
1:46:59 have put a lot and if you want to read
1:47:00 it i i'm not sure or i can read it on
1:47:02 his behalf and i can give the questions
1:47:04 so he can get it answered if you want
1:47:06 he said he said uh he he gave a question
1:47:09 and he'll look at the video so i'm
1:47:11 assuming he wants this question to be
1:47:13 public i guess
1:47:14 yeah that's what he said yeah to to read
1:47:17 it out and uh
1:47:18 to be answered because he couldn't speak
1:47:20 because
1:47:21 of his situation unfortunately
1:47:24 yeah okay well you could ask the
1:47:26 question okay so uh islam i can't speak
1:47:29 right now so i'll type my question here
1:47:32 and the brotherhood i read in a book
1:47:34 called a little history of the
1:47:36 philosophy
1:47:37 uh in chapter 13 about bruce spinoza he
1:47:41 didn't believe in a personal god and
1:47:43 believed everything was god because if
1:47:45 god is infinite there can't be anything
1:47:47 that isn't him or doesn't include him
1:47:50 because if god is outside our world how
1:47:53 is he infinite and without limitations i
1:47:56 can't put my finger on why this is wrong
1:47:59 so i appreciate the help
1:48:01 so that was the brother's question if uh
1:48:04 helps my mind is doing infinite
1:48:07 cartwheels
1:48:10 um
1:48:11 i don't know comedy how to answer the
1:48:13 question but i do know that well
1:48:15 the thing is what does he mean by
1:48:17 infinite because you have in mathematics
1:48:19 infinites are you saying that number
1:48:20 itself encompasses everything in the
1:48:22 world no that doesn't make sense what
1:48:24 kind of infinite are you talking about a
1:48:25 quantitative infinite a qualitative
1:48:27 infinite an infinite that can be made
1:48:29 out of discrete physical parts are you
1:48:31 talking about a qualitative infinite i
1:48:33 mean what type of infant is he talking
1:48:35 about
1:48:36 um so i don't know if spinoza's argument
1:48:38 actually
1:48:39 with respect to spinoza is even
1:48:41 logically coherent just because
1:48:42 something isn't infinite it doesn't mean
1:48:44 that everything is part of it now
1:48:47 because that would assume a certain
1:48:49 understanding of what you even mean by
1:48:50 parts and things containing parts this
1:48:52 is myriology right so i would argue that
1:48:54 this is
1:48:55 i just think it's the spinoza was just
1:48:59 you know just
1:49:00 just thinking aloud to be honest i don't
1:49:03 think it's a strong argument because it
1:49:04 how does it follow something being
1:49:06 infinite it means that everything
1:49:09 it compe encompasses everything number
1:49:11 one number two what type of infinite are
1:49:13 you talking about right is it a
1:49:15 qualitative one is a mathematical one
1:49:17 are you saying mathematical infinite
1:49:19 encompass everything
1:49:21 i you know because you know take pi for
1:49:23 example it's a relation isn't it it's a
1:49:26 it's a ratio rather so it's a relation
1:49:28 between two things uh two numbers i
1:49:31 believe or two
1:49:32 my math is not great but the point is
1:49:34 are you saying
1:49:35 pi uh which is like an infinite uh
1:49:38 regression whatever whatever numbers
1:49:40 yeah uh are you saying you know a circle
1:49:42 encompasses everything in the universe
1:49:44 no there's the circle is distinct from
1:49:47 me
1:49:48 and what do you mean by part so there's
1:49:50 so much presuppositions in what he's
1:49:52 saying by the way i'm just thinking
1:49:54 aloud here i haven't really thought
1:49:55 about it properly but just from the
1:49:56 onset there's so many assumptions and
1:49:58 presuppositions behind his statement
1:50:00 that he has a lot of questions to answer
1:50:02 and and i don't think they're even
1:50:03 answerable and i don't think his
1:50:05 position is even sound because you have
1:50:07 to have a particular take on what parts
1:50:09 are and what and and how and how
1:50:11 infinites are encompassed by parts
1:50:14 uh he has to make a particular
1:50:16 distinction between different types of
1:50:17 infinites he would have to admit that
1:50:19 some infinites don't encompass
1:50:21 everything um like uh ratios and stuff
1:50:24 like that i mean there's so much going
1:50:26 on there and with all due respect you
1:50:28 know
1:50:28 spinoza is dead man
1:50:30 allah is alive and he's never living
1:50:32 [Laughter]
1:50:38 it reminds me of that meme when you know
1:50:40 nietzsche said god is dead he didn't
1:50:42 mean god is dead in reality he meant it
1:50:44 like god in people's hearts but it's
1:50:46 like 1900's god is dead and then when he
1:50:47 died it says then god says nietzsche is
1:50:50 dead anyway yes five what would you say
1:50:53 on this one
1:50:54 no no i'll i'll yeah i'll i'll leave
1:50:57 that one alone yeah yeah but anyway so
1:50:59 hopefully that's enough hopefully that's
1:51:00 enough my love blister brother
1:51:02 um okay
1:51:03 anything else bro it's good to hear from
1:51:05 you every time we're alive or usually
1:51:06 you're always here you're always uh
1:51:09 giving us positivity every time i hear
1:51:11 your voice
1:51:12 it sounds like you're smiling it sounds
1:51:13 like you're joyous it sounds like you've
1:51:15 been blessed with happiness
1:51:17 may allah
1:51:19 [Music]
1:51:22 well i want to give you some updates and
1:51:24 some fruits of our conversation because
1:51:26 yes
1:51:31 speaking of pakistan and india you know
1:51:32 they've done very well i remember seeing
1:51:34 you on a stream out there uh where you
1:51:36 handled people yes
1:51:38 yes
1:51:39 uh
1:51:40 you went on his stream and you were uh
1:51:42 taking on the questions there a couple
1:51:45 of months ago i think it was eight
1:51:47 my god that was so funny that was that
1:51:49 was
1:51:50 it's a different it's different kettle
1:51:52 of fish right it was really easy
1:51:54 absolutely but you did the housekeeping
1:51:56 i remember you kept people in line and
1:51:58 said look you're coming into the house
1:52:00 here i'm a guest you know
1:52:02 be respectful and you controlled it and
1:52:04 you answered uh it was like a tennis
1:52:07 match
1:52:08 um you know and and you answered
1:52:10 everybody on the law and you know i
1:52:12 think they're really sort of taken on
1:52:14 board and i can see the conversations uh
1:52:17 about sapience um about really going to
1:52:20 the core of things um and i think it's
1:52:22 been of great benefit there um you know
1:52:24 they they had their what they called the
1:52:26 apostasy squad um and now they've
1:52:28 changed that uh to the oman squad um
1:52:31 iman union sorry um alhamdulillah and
1:52:34 they have turned the curve there you
1:52:36 know and it is about cultivating good
1:52:38 conversation um you know and that is
1:52:40 from the efforts of
1:52:41 a focus on the prophetic way uh reason
1:52:44 rationale
1:52:46 the divine reality bringing people back
1:52:48 into the fold um and and really having
1:52:52 open calls uh which they weren't doing
1:52:54 as many but they they've increased that
1:52:56 number a hundred percent uh and there's
1:52:59 a lot of good work going on
1:53:01 on that side of the continent
1:53:02 um
1:53:03 you know and uh and you've definitely
1:53:06 been a part of that brothers um
1:53:08 myself it's changed me and how i'm uh
1:53:11 dealing with people also you know
1:53:13 talking about the prophetic way um is
1:53:15 something i i'm keen for our brothers
1:53:17 and sisters to remember when they're
1:53:19 engaging in conversation and dialogue um
1:53:23 and that is something that we've got to
1:53:25 keep a focus on um you know and taking
1:53:27 care of people
1:53:29 with their fittra you know i i i great
1:53:32 contingency arguments
1:53:34 are we taking care of individuals you
1:53:36 know i've just been endorsed
1:53:38 and it's something that's coming out uh
1:53:40 it's piloting at the moment in the first
1:53:43 week or two
1:53:44 but i'm having conversations with people
1:53:47 um just about their connection
1:53:50 with god
1:53:51 where it was where it started where it
1:53:53 didn't we're not arguing about a trinity
1:53:56 we're not arguing about things we're
1:53:57 just arguing about your connection and
1:53:59 where it went um and
1:54:02 where is it and activating those
1:54:03 conversations you know and that is
1:54:06 opening the door for people to learn
1:54:08 more about islam
1:54:09 you know and also engage with me in the
1:54:11 quran
1:54:13 you know and share in a different way
1:54:15 so it is about cultivating good healthy
1:54:18 fruitful discussions human to human
1:54:21 contact um and and you have been a part
1:54:24 of that uh and are part of my journey
1:54:26 brother sergio clare um sapience has
1:54:29 been a great part of this
1:54:31 um
1:54:38 i'm fine i just wanted to give you the
1:54:39 fruits uh and save my salams and
1:54:42 obviously i'll answer the brother's
1:54:43 question and everybody else took my
1:54:45 other questions so uh she's exactly here
1:54:47 brothers keep up the good work and we're
1:54:49 a hundred percent behind all of the
1:54:51 brothers and the team of sapiens
1:54:57 i actually actually really like
1:54:59 people like that that are on the online
1:55:00 space
1:55:02 it's very refreshing yeah 100 percent
1:55:04 bless him and increase him and he picked
1:55:06 a great name for himself friendly muslim
1:55:07 well yeah i like that
1:55:10 he's definitely not looking to you know
1:55:12 to
1:55:13 you know to hopefully inshallah not
1:55:15 looking to elevate the ego or anything
1:55:16 like that it's just let's have a
1:55:18 friendly conversation you know so it's
1:55:19 really yeah
1:55:22 okay so we have abdul rahman in the
1:55:25 household
1:55:43 thank you very much um all i can say is
1:55:46 that it's quite uh
1:55:48 i don't know what to say i'll just leave
1:55:49 it to that all i can say is i'll
1:55:50 summarize it in jazakum that's all i can
1:55:52 say
1:55:53 uh loveless you would lie i had a
1:55:56 question to be honest that's
1:55:58 quite
1:55:58 um recurrent like i i would basically
1:56:03 uh it would come to my mind i would
1:56:05 solve it effectively uh and i would have
1:56:08 the answer in my head and then
1:56:10 time would pass and i would go back to
1:56:12 that like you know it's sort of like a
1:56:14 nagging question even though i would
1:56:16 find the answer the the word the words
1:56:19 to the answer yeah
1:56:21 it still comes back to my mind and comes
1:56:23 back to my heart and have problems
1:56:24 settling my heart yeah the question is
1:56:26 about the concept of
1:56:29 you have
1:56:30 muslims and you have non-muslims people
1:56:32 who are
1:56:33 born into islam and those who are
1:56:36 born outside of islam
1:56:38 and it's a matter of like
1:56:41 my superficial
1:56:44 view of things would see it as
1:56:47 oh
1:56:48 like the person who's born into islam is
1:56:50 more likely to stay muslim
1:56:52 than a person who's outside of islam as
1:56:56 a possibility of converting into a snap
1:56:58 like you know
1:57:00 and this would is what would basically
1:57:03 this is the recurring question what
1:57:05 aggravates the question more and more is
1:57:07 like you know all around me like i would
1:57:09 be a bit involved in dao and i would try
1:57:11 to give dao but the com like it doesn't
1:57:13 like
1:57:15 of course we're not responsible for
1:57:17 results but it's a matter of
1:57:19 uh one would wish that a person response
1:57:20 but it usually doesn't work out but it
1:57:23 is in the hands of allah so it's a
1:57:24 matter i guess i would summarize as yeah
1:57:26 that is the question that i always feel
1:57:28 that a muslim has more of a chance to
1:57:30 stay muslim than a non-muslim has a
1:57:32 chance of uh
1:57:35 converting into islam and i the answers
1:57:37 that i would naturally come to is that
1:57:39 at the end of the day man at the end of
1:57:40 the day
1:57:41 to put trust in a lost paratha he um
1:57:44 really to trust in allah and to trust
1:57:46 that he would not wrong anyone and the
1:57:47 beautiful ayah that i have in my heart
1:57:52 and it can be understood as
1:57:54 well does not burden any soul that which
1:57:55 you can't bear in the sense that no one
1:57:57 is put into a test that they can't pass
1:57:59 like you know so this is what i always
1:58:01 rest myself with and maybe it's a matter
1:58:04 of like if you understand what i mean
1:58:05 adil versus fabal that um
1:58:08 like people who are born muslim this is
1:58:10 a special gift that they are given
1:58:13 rather than
1:58:14 um
1:58:15 rather than uh sorry sorry i wonder if i
1:58:18 missed that yeah people who are born in
1:58:19 the sun is a fodder upon them is like a
1:58:21 gift upon them that but no one has been
1:58:23 done unjustice like you know if they're
1:58:25 not born into sin but these are these
1:58:26 are the ways i try to answer myself but
1:58:28 still there's a sense nagging in my mind
1:58:30 nagging my heart and the questions which
1:58:31 somehow keeps on popping back up to my
1:58:33 mind so i wonder what is your
1:58:36 um point of view in addressing this
1:58:38 question if you uh have and i would
1:58:41 really deeply appreciate any help and
1:58:43 love holy work god bless you and i'd
1:58:45 really appreciate that a lot
1:58:51 let's do this interesting question
1:58:54 so i'm hoping i understood the question
1:58:55 right that basically muslims who are
1:58:57 born muslims have a
1:58:59 have more of a chance of sticking to
1:59:01 their islam i guess dying upon islam
1:59:03 then
1:59:04 you know people that would not be born
1:59:06 in a muslim household and therefore
1:59:07 coming to islam i think that's what was
1:59:08 the crux of the question yeah is it is
1:59:10 it unfair that allah yes so that's the
1:59:13 the
1:59:13 create human beings and muslim families
1:59:15 and those human beings and non-muslim
1:59:17 families and they're
1:59:19 less likely to become muslim so it's
1:59:21 it's trying to solve that potential
1:59:24 issue right right i mean
1:59:26 one thing that i that i always try to
1:59:28 try to mention to people is that we have
1:59:30 to understand uh
1:59:32 when we start to engage with these
1:59:33 questions about who allah is right if
1:59:37 we've understood that allah is maximally
1:59:39 perfect in his justice right and his
1:59:41 maximum for his mercy and so on and so
1:59:44 forth then we have to understand that
1:59:46 you know um where we may perceive some
1:59:49 sort of difference in you know justice
1:59:52 you have to understand that at the end
1:59:53 of the day there's no one who's more
1:59:54 just than allah
1:59:56 right um and so
1:59:59 yes there's that kind of nagging idea
2:00:01 maybe it might be in someone's mind that
2:00:02 hey you know i was just lucky and he
2:00:04 mentioned kind of comparing the father
2:00:06 versus the other right like confirming
2:00:08 like the favor versus the the justice
2:00:11 but at the end of the day allah is
2:00:12 maximally perfect as justice
2:00:14 and he's more just than me he's more
2:00:16 just than hamza he's more just than
2:00:18 anyone
2:00:19 and so taking that into consideration we
2:00:22 understand that at the end of the day no
2:00:23 one will be wronged now the problem is
2:00:27 is that while
2:00:28 you know we understand that as some sort
2:00:30 of abstract knowledge we haven't really
2:00:33 internalized it in terms of who allah is
2:00:35 right and that goes you know that goes
2:00:38 with going back to
2:00:39 you know that
2:00:40 allah
2:00:42 at the end of the day he will never
2:00:44 wrong anyone
2:00:46 and that is something that we have to
2:00:47 understand 100 fully
2:00:49 whatever sort of difference we may
2:00:51 perceive we have to basically accuse
2:00:53 ourselves
2:00:54 before we accuse allah right we are
2:00:56 limited and allah is you know not you
2:00:59 know is not limited in any sphere
2:01:02 whatsoever and that includes our
2:01:03 knowledge as well you know earlier on
2:01:05 someone mentioned
2:01:06 uh we were talking about uh forgiveness
2:01:09 of allah you know a lot of these
2:01:10 questions always get chalked up to our
2:01:13 understanding of allah visa be our
2:01:15 understanding of ourselves right like
2:01:17 when someone was like that allah would
2:01:18 not forgive me right or like one of our
2:01:21 first questions and some you know i'll
2:01:23 tell people sometimes i say you know
2:01:25 you know we
2:01:26 are imperfect and that's why we will
2:01:29 necessarily sin
2:01:31 you don't have perfect knowledge if you
2:01:32 knew exactly the second you were going
2:01:34 to sin what the result would be you
2:01:36 wouldn't do it but you don't have
2:01:38 perfect knowledge so you were created in
2:01:40 a state of imperfection
2:01:42 you are bound to sin and one of allah's
2:01:44 attributes is that he is forgiving and
2:01:46 so that's manifest
2:01:48 your imperfection actually manifests
2:01:50 allah's perfection
2:01:52 right so when you understand who allah
2:01:56 is we accuse ourselves before we we're
2:01:59 going to accuse allah right in any
2:02:01 scenario and that's usually what i find
2:02:03 is the crux of the issue is that we
2:02:04 haven't really internalized
2:02:06 you know who allah is and the perfection
2:02:08 of his justice you know when you look at
2:02:10 uh what is it the surat zuma when the
2:02:12 people are going into that going into
2:02:14 the hell fire i think even kathie
2:02:16 mentions that they will be entering the
2:02:18 hell fire right because
2:02:20 the ayah at the end of zuma says when
2:02:22 they're entering jannah they'll say
2:02:23 alhamdulillah
2:02:24 i think it's indicative says and the
2:02:26 people entering the hellfire will be
2:02:28 saying
2:02:30 he said why because on that day
2:02:32 they will see allah's perfect justice
2:02:34 being manifest right that no one is
2:02:38 wronged you know
2:02:40 and so and you you think like okay well
2:02:42 the people entering hellfire why would
2:02:43 they but because they're seeing the
2:02:45 perfection of their lord at the end of
2:02:46 the day
2:02:48 yes it reminds me of the statement of
2:02:50 sauria
2:02:54 who basically said that if i had to
2:02:56 choose between allah and my mother to
2:02:57 judgment the day of judgment i would
2:02:58 choose allah
2:03:01 and
2:03:02 you're right allah
2:03:03 no one is going to be going to avoid or
2:03:06 escape allah's perfect justice and mercy
2:03:09 that's it that's there's nothing else to
2:03:11 worry about because what we're looking
2:03:14 at is the pixel
2:03:16 allah has the picture
2:03:18 so allah would judge that person in
2:03:20 their context whatever their context is
2:03:23 you know i got a i got a question the
2:03:25 other day well very similar to this and
2:03:27 they're like well you know this person
2:03:30 they're absolutely certain about
2:03:31 christianity so why would allah punish
2:03:33 them i said hold on a second
2:03:35 how do you know they're certain about
2:03:36 christianity like christianity like what
2:03:38 is that what does a certain mean like
2:03:40 did you actually enter into their heart
2:03:42 open it up and become them and then say
2:03:44 oh yes they have certainty or you're
2:03:46 just going by what they're saying on
2:03:47 their tongue how do you know that and
2:03:49 the only one that knows that is allah
2:03:51 like allah that you know inner
2:03:53 subjective experience we always talk
2:03:54 about yeah we have that first person
2:03:56 inner subject experience the only one
2:03:58 that knows that maybe besides you is not
2:04:00 maybe the only one that knows that
2:04:01 beside you is allah right the only one
2:04:04 that can just
2:04:05 give a just verdict on something right
2:04:08 is the one who has the knowledge to do
2:04:10 that because when you judge something
2:04:11 and you don't have enough knowledge you
2:04:13 are pre-judging that's why you know the
2:04:15 word prejudice to pre-judge you don't
2:04:17 have all the facts and you make a
2:04:18 judgment who has all the facts allah has
2:04:21 all the facts you will never find
2:04:23 prejudice right from allah because he's
2:04:26 the one that
2:04:27 knows everything down to the human
2:04:28 feelings right everything down to the
2:04:31 things that you don't see right when you
2:04:33 see like i remember i would be i'd be
2:04:35 i'd be working in certain places and you
2:04:37 know one of the etiquettes we're
2:04:38 supposed to have is to give people
2:04:39 excuses and i mentioned this many times
2:04:41 i said you know you would find like you
2:04:43 know you know you know judy she comes in
2:04:45 late for work and everyone's like well
2:04:47 she's always late and i'm like well you
2:04:48 know she's a single mother you know and
2:04:50 they'll say like oh you know judy does
2:04:52 this you know she's always she's this
2:04:53 i'm like well you know she maybe she had
2:04:54 a late la they kept on saying like why
2:04:56 do you keep giving excuses you know
2:04:57 what's your problem and i said like you
2:05:00 don't know
2:05:01 all the internal workings of a person
2:05:03 like what they're suffering what they're
2:05:05 going through what are the challenges
2:05:06 they had
2:05:07 and you're making these sweeping
2:05:08 judgments about them
2:05:10 subhanallah and we don't we don't know
2:05:13 at the end of the day and you really
2:05:14 have to just
2:05:15 park it and say
2:05:17 allahu alam right allah is the one that
2:05:19 has that has the knowledge even about
2:05:21 himself and not just that bro even even
2:05:24 if we had all the knowledge we still
2:05:26 wouldn't be able to make a better
2:05:28 decision allah right because we have all
2:05:31 of these other biases and the other
2:05:33 thing that's very important looking from
2:05:34 a chronic perspective remember kophor is
2:05:36 for those who reject
2:05:38 right they have to reject something and
2:05:40 this echoes the opinion of allah even
2:05:42 even it echoes a hadith of the prophet
2:05:46 about the four non-muslims categories of
2:05:49 non-muslims that actually go to paradise
2:05:51 if you're not wherever this is
2:05:54 and
2:05:55 they get tests and basically one of the
2:05:57 categories is the one who's too old to
2:05:59 hear the message the one in between
2:06:00 messengers and so on and so forth
2:06:02 and they would get tested on the day of
2:06:03 judgment so the point is
2:06:06 we have a the pixel allah has the
2:06:08 picture and allah is always going to
2:06:11 make the most perfect decision because
2:06:13 he has perfect names and attributes
2:06:16 so uh yeah you're right chef look we'll
2:06:18 we'll end it here give us your wrap up
2:06:21 um
2:06:22 give us a wrap up my friend
2:06:26 after you wrap up i'll wrap up with a
2:06:27 bit of maybe asking people to support us
2:06:30 and showing them our learning platform
2:06:33 stuff like that and by the way all the
2:06:35 brothers and sisters on on the
2:06:36 on the i forgot what it's called the
2:06:39 backstage
2:06:40 we're going to start lives regularly now
2:06:42 inshaallah so please look out for those
2:06:44 and i do apologize that we didn't have
2:06:46 time to answer all of your questions may
2:06:47 not bless every single one of you and uh
2:06:50 yeah
2:06:51 give us your final thoughts no i'll just
2:06:52 say that uh may allah bless everyone
2:06:55 that came on and uh everyone that's here
2:06:58 in the in the that's watching the live
2:07:00 um you know a lot of the times when we
2:07:03 think about the work that sapiens is
2:07:04 doing or that you know that
2:07:06 the individual that's put in a certain
2:07:08 spotlight or whatever it might be
2:07:10 we we have to realize that all of that
2:07:12 comes from allah
2:07:14 right we are just
2:07:16 you know we're just uh what are we going
2:07:18 to call it you know we're we're just
2:07:20 people that allah chose to put in a very
2:07:22 specific
2:07:23 scenario and
2:07:24 and you know who knows you know where
2:07:26 what our state is going to be at the end
2:07:27 of the day right so i know that
2:07:30 people get excited and they want to you
2:07:33 know say a lot and and just you know and
2:07:35 that's good and you know i remember one
2:07:36 time i was speaking with um
2:07:39 jaffa and i was telling him like what do
2:07:40 you do when someone praises you
2:07:42 and he says you know at a certain point
2:07:44 he goes you may
2:07:45 you may feel guilty about feeling good
2:07:48 he goes but don't
2:07:50 necessarily do that and i was like i
2:07:51 know that surprised me because i was
2:07:52 like what do you mean i mean does that
2:07:53 doesn't mean i have an ego and he said
2:07:56 he goes no he said there's a hadith
2:07:57 where the prophet
2:07:58 said
2:08:00 like this is a a a a a
2:08:03 like a a good news for the movement
2:08:05 right
2:08:06 at the same time we also want to make
2:08:08 sure that you know that we're humble and
2:08:10 we understand these are all favors from
2:08:12 allah right so
2:08:14 with that being said
2:08:15 the best way that you can actually
2:08:18 you know
2:08:19 if you want to contribute is to make dua
2:08:22 for us
2:08:22 right i mean this is the thing that our
2:08:24 success our failure it's all in the
2:08:26 hands of allah right when we are putting
2:08:28 our best foot forward we have our own
2:08:31 you know sins we have our own
2:08:33 shortcomings we have you know our own
2:08:35 challenges um and we and we need your
2:08:38 dua right we need you to you know know
2:08:40 that you're supporting us and in the
2:08:42 last third of the night when you're
2:08:43 getting up and you're thinking you're
2:08:44 thinking about you know you're thinking
2:08:46 about us you're thinking about sapience
2:08:47 institute and just making dua for us you
2:08:49 know um
2:08:50 that's something that that i think is is
2:08:52 very very important and that uh
2:08:54 that that's the biggest support one of
2:08:56 the biggest
2:08:57 that is the biggest support we can get
2:08:59 you know
2:09:00 um other than that
2:09:01 you know just keep watching out for
2:09:03 these live streams uh you know charlotte
2:09:05 we're gonna have a lot more activity um
2:09:09 that we're gonna be doing online and on
2:09:11 on on site uh so watch out for that as
2:09:13 well um and um
2:09:15 yeah that's pretty much it man that's uh
2:09:17 okay just two things bro one thing is i
2:09:19 remember when i went off the video there
2:09:21 was an image an avatar of james
2:09:23 bergman's uh podcast no people i don't
2:09:27 people would shaytan to whisper to them
2:09:28 that i'm basically like you know a
2:09:30 hidden agnostic skeptic basically i
2:09:33 we gave him access to this the stream
2:09:35 because he needed something to show a
2:09:38 video when i was doing a stream with him
2:09:40 the podcast on
2:09:42 reviewing the
2:09:44 lawrence crowds debate so i thought i'd
2:09:45 mention it because it's very important
2:09:47 uh to remove any shubha or any kind of
2:09:49 potential because well i even saw it
2:09:51 like oh if i i forgot that we gave
2:09:53 access to him and i told him to change
2:09:54 the branding anyway that's one number
2:09:56 two but can you do a favor you want to
2:09:57 take a picture of us for to promote this
2:10:00 stream tomorrow just give me a smile
2:10:02 after three yeah
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2:10:05 two three
2:10:07 perfect
2:10:09 okay good so exactly here brothers and
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2:12:22 [Music]
2:12:24 you have the final say give your salah
2:12:26 all right
2:12:27 i'll bless all of you and bless your
2:12:28 families and keep your hearts firm upon
2:12:31 allah's deen subhanallah
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