Thank You For Supporting US: Our 6 Months Update - including Q&A (2021-11-21) #

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0:00:12 and sisters and friends and welcome to
0:00:15 tonight's special live stream because
0:00:17 we're going to be talking about
0:00:19 us sapience institute
0:00:21 and many of the members and personnel of
0:00:23 sapiens institute are going to join me
0:00:25 very shortly
0:00:27 and
0:00:28 what i want to do now is really talk
0:00:30 about
0:00:31 our story so far this story so far
0:00:34 because the main objective of today's
0:00:37 seminar or rather live stream i'm saying
0:00:40 seminar because i had a seminar just a
0:00:42 few hours ago with doctor suffolk
0:00:44 chowdhury alhamdulillah that went really
0:00:46 well
0:00:47 so the main point of today's live stream
0:00:49 is to talk about our six months update
0:00:52 and to say thank you to say
0:00:55 to say may
0:00:56 allah every single one of you for
0:01:00 supporting us and for trusting us
0:01:03 and for
0:01:04 facilitating this noble work
0:01:08 so
0:01:09 as part of the management team it's our
0:01:10 responsibility to be
0:01:12 authentic with you to have integrity to
0:01:15 be transparent and to keep you updated
0:01:17 and we felt a six months update was very
0:01:20 important
0:01:22 and
0:01:23 i want to tell you what we've done so
0:01:25 far but before i do that i also want to
0:01:28 talk about and to remind you about what
0:01:31 sapience institute is all about
0:01:34 so brothers and sisters what we're going
0:01:36 to be covering today
0:01:37 is
0:01:38 before we get everyone on board and to
0:01:40 start discussing with the team and
0:01:42 answering questions
0:01:44 what i want to cover is why sapiens
0:01:46 institute just to remind you why we are
0:01:48 here what is the why behind the this
0:01:51 organization
0:01:53 also i want to talk to you about the
0:01:54 need
0:01:55 that was the basis for the motivation of
0:01:57 the mandate for why we we decided to
0:02:01 create sapience institute i want to
0:02:03 briefly remind you about our vision our
0:02:06 strategic focus and to quickly go
0:02:08 through what we did last operational
0:02:10 year and
0:02:11 what we promised
0:02:14 this year that we're going to achieve
0:02:15 because our operational year brothers
0:02:17 and sisters
0:02:18 is from may
0:02:20 to april the following year so
0:02:23 the six months update is really updating
0:02:25 you on may 2021 to the end of october
0:02:30 2021
0:02:32 and also what i want to cover is not
0:02:35 only what we promised you because in
0:02:37 ramadan we promised you that we're going
0:02:38 to achieve certain projects certain
0:02:40 deliverables
0:02:41 but i always want i also want to talk
0:02:43 about our progress so far i want to talk
0:02:46 about the progress that we have achieved
0:02:49 so far
0:02:51 and talk to you a little bit about our
0:02:54 processes and procedures for you to be
0:02:55 updated on our operations so
0:02:59 without further ado let's talk about
0:03:01 the
0:03:02 the really important question for us
0:03:04 which is why sapience and what is our
0:03:06 vision and strategy
0:03:08 well
0:03:09 brothers and sisters just to remind you
0:03:10 that we have to realize that the kind of
0:03:13 environment that we live in at the
0:03:14 moment is that we have intellectual
0:03:17 challenges and obstacles okay
0:03:19 and these intellectual challenges and
0:03:21 obstacles for many reasons one of them
0:03:23 including social media do not only exist
0:03:26 in the kind of ivory towers of academic
0:03:29 institutions so kind of ideas and
0:03:31 concepts and philosophies that challenge
0:03:34 our iman that challenge our faith that
0:03:36 challenge the deen of islam and also
0:03:39 these type of philosophies and ideas
0:03:41 that prevent the dao from flourishing
0:03:43 they put obstacles to the dour they're
0:03:45 being they're being filtered down to
0:03:47 almost every level of society
0:03:50 so
0:03:51 from a kind of strategic perspective we
0:03:53 need to adopt a strategy to provide a
0:03:55 robust response at an academic level but
0:03:58 also at a popular level and even the
0:04:02 levels in between
0:04:03 and sapience institute has adopted a
0:04:06 vision and a strategy to solve this
0:04:09 contemporary problem
0:04:11 now this is also motivated by the book
0:04:13 of allah subhana wa there are many
0:04:15 verses that motivate this for example
0:04:19 one key verse is in chapter 25 verse 52
0:04:22 allah says and strive against them
0:04:25 with it meaning with the quran
0:04:28 a great striving jihad and kabira this
0:04:31 is one of the great struggles the great
0:04:33 striving to strive with them
0:04:37 the people that we're striving against
0:04:40 with regards to
0:04:41 dawah with regards to sharing and
0:04:43 defending islam
0:04:45 strive with them with it be the arabic
0:04:48 is be with it meaning the quran and
0:04:51 allah describes this as jihad
0:04:54 a great striving
0:04:56 now one of the
0:04:58 well-known scholars of islam the 14th
0:05:00 century theologian and and
0:05:03 and scholar ibn
0:05:05 he said this means that the great
0:05:07 striving the great struggle is using the
0:05:10 arguments of the quran he is using the
0:05:12 concepts and the ideas of the quran to
0:05:16 actually to use that to defend islam and
0:05:18 to educate others on islam as well so
0:05:21 that's one verse many verses that are
0:05:23 part of the motivation for
0:05:26 why we are here sapiens institute
0:05:28 so
0:05:30 following on from this before we talk
0:05:32 about the vision and the strategy it's
0:05:34 important to talk about the need because
0:05:36 we have to realize that alhamdulillah
0:05:38 there are many good institutes out there
0:05:40 across the world individuals and
0:05:44 organizations that are doing the work of
0:05:46 allah they're doing great work and as a
0:05:49 result there's lots of good research
0:05:51 there's in intellectual academic
0:05:53 resources available for everybody right
0:05:55 however there is a gap
0:05:57 and part of the kind of sapience
0:05:59 approach
0:06:00 is not to
0:06:02 reinvent the will if something good is
0:06:04 happening you make good for it if it
0:06:06 requires replication you you replicate
0:06:09 it if it doesn't require replication you
0:06:12 support it
0:06:13 directly and indirectly
0:06:15 if there is something that is unhealthy
0:06:18 in the dawa then we want to make it
0:06:19 healthy okay and we do that
0:06:22 in various ways
0:06:24 and also if there is a gap in the dial
0:06:26 we want to fill the gap
0:06:28 so it's very important that we don't
0:06:30 just do things for the sake of it that
0:06:31 we're strategic we do things sand with
0:06:34 excellence that we want to worship allah
0:06:36 subhanahu wa ta'ala sincerely and we
0:06:38 want to do things by asking ourselves
0:06:40 the question
0:06:41 what does allah want from me
0:06:44 in my particular particular context what
0:06:46 does allah want from us
0:06:48 as an organization does allah want
0:06:51 something to be replicated just for the
0:06:52 sake of it even though it doesn't
0:06:54 require replication no
0:06:56 does allah want you to make the dour
0:06:59 and intellectual and academic sharing
0:07:01 and educating of islam to be more
0:07:03 healthy if it's unhealthy yes so we
0:07:06 should strive to improve others improve
0:07:08 other organizations and use different
0:07:10 ways to achieve that and obviously the
0:07:13 means that you use are going to be
0:07:14 conducive to the positive objective
0:07:17 does allah want you to
0:07:19 fill the gap in the dao if there are
0:07:21 things that are missing does allah want
0:07:23 you to fill the gap in the tower of
0:07:24 course so it's not just about doing the
0:07:27 same thing all the time or just
0:07:28 reinventing the will we have to be
0:07:30 strategic and we have to understand that
0:07:32 we're doing this for the sake of allah
0:07:35 so we should ask the question what does
0:07:37 allah want from me what does allah want
0:07:39 from us
0:07:40 and if we apply this kind of
0:07:43 what we call a health check analysis
0:07:45 approach to the dower then if we are
0:07:48 sincere then we're going to do the right
0:07:50 thing which usually means support those
0:07:52 are doing the great work and if it needs
0:07:54 replicating replicate replicate it if it
0:07:56 doesn't then make dua supplicate
0:07:59 supplicate for its success and support
0:08:01 them directly and indirectly
0:08:03 the other way is if there's something
0:08:05 unhealthy try and make it healthy and if
0:08:07 there is a gap in the tower then fill
0:08:09 that gap and this is why from the
0:08:12 context of what i just want to tell you
0:08:14 right now is that we want to fill a much
0:08:16 needed gap and and focus on it with some
0:08:19 intensity the the right focus and
0:08:21 intensity it needs so what is this gap
0:08:24 in the dao well we believe from our
0:08:26 analysis that empowering educating and
0:08:30 mentoring leaders and influentials to
0:08:32 share islam
0:08:33 intellectually and academically is one
0:08:36 of the gaps of the dawah people are
0:08:38 doing great work there's a lot of
0:08:39 empowerment and resources happening but
0:08:42 is there an intense focus on this area
0:08:45 not not so much and that's how we want
0:08:47 to fill the gap by basically
0:08:49 facilitating the empowerment the
0:08:51 education and the mentoring of leaders
0:08:55 and influentials to share islam
0:08:57 intellectually and academically
0:09:00 so from this perspective we need more
0:09:02 academic and intellectual activists to
0:09:03 bolster islam against the broader
0:09:06 non-muslim
0:09:09 the broader kind of ideological and
0:09:10 philosophical challenges we need more
0:09:12 academic and intellectual individuals
0:09:14 who can counsel people who are having
0:09:17 doubts in their faith who have left
0:09:18 their faith and engage with them in a
0:09:20 way that is contemporary and
0:09:22 full of rahma compassionate
0:09:25 so what this really means from a
0:09:26 practical perspective is that
0:09:28 sapience institute its job is to help
0:09:31 create individuals to defend share and
0:09:34 educate others on islam
0:09:37 and to inspire others to do so the same
0:09:41 remember academic resources are not
0:09:42 enough
0:09:43 you need the human being as a vehicle to
0:09:47 engage with others to produce more
0:09:49 academic resources but also what's more
0:09:52 significant is to share and defend islam
0:09:55 and to
0:09:57 empower others to be able to do so as
0:09:59 well insha allah
0:10:02 so our vision is very simple it's we
0:10:05 want to see a world that receives the
0:10:08 message of islam and where people can
0:10:11 academically and intellectually share
0:10:14 and defend the faith this is what we're
0:10:16 going to see this is the world we want
0:10:18 to see we want to see a world that
0:10:20 receives the message of islam and where
0:10:22 people can academically and
0:10:24 intellectually defend and share the
0:10:26 faith educate others on islam
0:10:30 so that's a grand vision so what is our
0:10:33 focus because when you develop a
0:10:34 strategic focus it's very important to
0:10:36 pick certain actions
0:10:39 or
0:10:40 areas an area of work that can be
0:10:43 directly linked to your vision and that
0:10:45 you believe is a necessary
0:10:48 and necessary factor in achieving your
0:10:51 vision
0:10:52 for example if you want to see a world
0:10:53 where people can hear the message of
0:10:55 islam and yet you are
0:10:58 i don't know you are
0:11:01 building coffee shops right that's not
0:11:04 going to achieve your vision right it's
0:11:06 a
0:11:08 your action your strategic focus has
0:11:10 nothing to do with your vision so we
0:11:12 have to be careful and understand that
0:11:14 it's not just about doing things for the
0:11:15 sake of it if we're very focused and
0:11:17 we're clear about this vision and we
0:11:19 believe in it and we believe it's what
0:11:21 allah wants from us and we believe this
0:11:23 is tied to the quran and the sunnah and
0:11:25 we believe it's filling a gap then we
0:11:27 should be sincere and create
0:11:29 areas or create action work or create a
0:11:32 strategic focus of actions that would
0:11:35 directly and necessarily lead to that so
0:11:38 our strategic focus is as following it
0:11:40 is to provide a compelling
0:11:42 convincing convincing case for islam so
0:11:45 we take intellectual leadership as well
0:11:47 as sapience institute that we that we
0:11:50 provide a compelling and convincing case
0:11:52 for islam but at the same time and this
0:11:54 is more significant for us
0:11:56 to empower educate and mentor others to
0:11:59 share and defend the faith academically
0:12:02 and intellectually
0:12:04 and we try and achieve this by
0:12:06 developing training courses we have a
0:12:08 lighthouse mentoring program
0:12:10 we're
0:12:11 developing and publishing books and so
0:12:14 on and so forth so last operational year
0:12:18 in
0:12:19 around 11 or 12 months we basically
0:12:22 achieved the following we trained and
0:12:24 empowered people to share some
0:12:25 academically uh 6 000 people
0:12:29 we so we trained and empowered 6 000
0:12:31 people to share islam academically we
0:12:34 developed and delivered
0:12:36 over 33
0:12:38 academic webinars we delivered in-depth
0:12:40 online courses and seminars
0:12:43 we
0:12:43 developed advanced training
0:12:46 rather we delivered advanced training to
0:12:48 the blue mosque team in istanbul
0:12:50 who have access to millions of visitors
0:12:53 around four million visit visitors a
0:12:55 year we published three books
0:12:58 we researched and published 13 essays
0:13:01 and articles we launched our free
0:13:04 lighthouse mentoring service we
0:13:06 privately mentored ex-muslims activists
0:13:08 and people with doubts we produced
0:13:11 30 sapient thoughts videos and we
0:13:13 published various work
0:13:15 uh of our various pieces of our writings
0:13:18 in turkish and spanish
0:13:21 so that's what we did
0:13:23 last operational year which was may 2020
0:13:25 to april 2021.
0:13:28 so if you remember during ramadan many
0:13:30 of you would have realized that
0:13:32 we actually not only were fundraising
0:13:34 but we were very clear about what we
0:13:36 wanted to achieve and we promised
0:13:39 the following and it was a lot of work
0:13:41 that we promised right so we and
0:13:43 promised this year may 2021 to april
0:13:47 2022
0:13:48 we promised that we would empower and
0:13:50 train over 10 000 muslims
0:13:53 complete a free book addressing all of
0:13:56 the main doubts against islam that can
0:13:58 be found often online
0:14:00 publish a website responding to leading
0:14:02 anti-islamic websites
0:14:04 expand our lighthouse mentoring service
0:14:06 professionally film 10 course 10 free
0:14:09 courses with slides and notes on our new
0:14:11 learning platform
0:14:13 published two new books on islamic
0:14:15 thought and proofs of islam
0:14:17 published
0:14:18 well researched essays and articles
0:14:20 produced over 60 new videos addressing
0:14:23 doubts
0:14:24 and commenting on feel philosophical
0:14:26 issues and providing a strong case for
0:14:28 islam
0:14:29 engage in full academic discussions and
0:14:32 debates
0:14:33 ensuring our advanced direct our
0:14:34 training course is available in other
0:14:36 languages translate two arabic books
0:14:39 written by leading intellectuals on the
0:14:41 proofs of islam
0:14:43 ensure translations of our work in other
0:14:45 languages and start a new podcast yes
0:14:48 this is exactly what we said
0:14:51 we want to achieve this operational year
0:14:54 so my job now is to tell you what the
0:14:56 progress is so far and what's coming and
0:14:59 what we have planned and even the extra
0:15:02 stuff that we have achieved
0:15:07 so
0:15:09 the first thing
0:15:11 well this is not it's not in any kind of
0:15:12 priority but the first thing i'm going
0:15:14 to talk about is that we promised to
0:15:16 expand our lighthouse mentoring service
0:15:18 and hamdulillah we did that straight
0:15:20 away
0:15:21 we now have expanded our lighthouse
0:15:23 mentoring service which is a free
0:15:25 service to have to having over 20 hours
0:15:29 per week
0:15:30 and we also have new mentors
0:15:34 so
0:15:34 we have over 20 hours per week where we
0:15:37 have one to one free one-to-one sessions
0:15:40 private confidences confidential
0:15:42 sessions with ex-muslims non-muslims
0:15:46 leaders and duat
0:15:48 so there are two main areas that we deal
0:15:50 with one is doubts and questions and the
0:15:52 other one is about mentoring and
0:15:54 developing others to be able to have an
0:15:56 impact in the tower and it's been a
0:15:59 phenomenal experience for example i do
0:16:01 around three hours a week
0:16:03 and you know we speak to phd students we
0:16:05 speak to earl and that and scholars they
0:16:07 ask us for help how to get involved in
0:16:10 the dao how to improve the tower any you
0:16:13 know sharing of expertise and experience
0:16:15 and so on and so forth and it is such a
0:16:19 a rewarding and fruitful exercise
0:16:22 wallahi it's so amazing that you could
0:16:24 spend one hour with someone and
0:16:26 obviously we don't just limit it limit
0:16:28 it to one hour there are subsequent
0:16:30 calls or mentoring sessions after if
0:16:33 required but it's so empowering to spend
0:16:35 some time with people and so rewarding
0:16:38 because you see that it changes people
0:16:40 and it has a positive impact on the iman
0:16:42 on their faith but also on how they can
0:16:44 get involved in the dawah in you know in
0:16:48 in a way that is impactful you know
0:16:50 sometimes we
0:16:52 assess our success based on likes and
0:16:54 how many views that we
0:16:56 we we have received or we have achieved
0:16:59 and how many subscribers that we have
0:17:00 but this is what i call sometimes the
0:17:02 vanity metrics
0:17:04 we need to not count the numbers not
0:17:07 count the metrics not not display the
0:17:09 metrics but try and display the impact
0:17:12 because that's what we really want
0:17:13 and lighthouse service although it's not
0:17:15 like
0:17:16 millions of people but we're spending
0:17:19 quality time with individuals that can
0:17:20 have an impact that can in the future
0:17:24 have a further impact to thousands if
0:17:26 not millions of people if you accumulate
0:17:28 all the numbers together and this is
0:17:30 true impact we're developing and
0:17:32 empowering people with this one-to-one
0:17:34 service but at the same time we're we're
0:17:36 helping ex-muslims come back to the dean
0:17:39 we're speaking to students to
0:17:40 non-muslims to leaders who do art so
0:17:43 specifically when we speak to ex-muslims
0:17:46 you know we speak to people that have
0:17:47 left islam because of intellectual
0:17:49 spiritual or emotive doubts when we
0:17:51 speak to students we're speaking to the
0:17:53 students at university or at college
0:17:55 level and who are trying to reconcile an
0:17:58 islamic identity with the with the vici
0:18:01 vicissitudes of college life
0:18:04 and non-muslims when non-muslims engage
0:18:06 with us you know these non-muslims
0:18:08 usually are thinking about embracing
0:18:09 islam but have been succumbed by doubts
0:18:12 or really need that kind of extra time
0:18:15 or that one-to-one in order to really
0:18:17 unpack things further for them to
0:18:19 basically uh
0:18:21 come closer to allah
0:18:24 we also mentor leaders we have community
0:18:27 leaders imams and activists that we
0:18:30 engage with and we mentor them from the
0:18:32 point of view of teach them how they
0:18:34 could address their own doubts and the
0:18:36 doubts of others but also how we can
0:18:38 help them have an impact in the tower we
0:18:41 also have the one-to-one mentoring with
0:18:42 duat you know preachers activists and
0:18:45 dua to engage in the work of sharing
0:18:48 islam to you know do that kind of health
0:18:50 check to help them improve to share some
0:18:53 experiences and advice and to mentor
0:18:55 mentor them on their journey
0:19:00 the other thing i want to give you an
0:19:02 update on our progress is on we said
0:19:03 we're going to deliver this year two new
0:19:05 books on islamic thoughts and proofs of
0:19:08 islam in actual fact we're completing
0:19:11 three books these are not the
0:19:14 final titles but one of the books are
0:19:16 going to be published inshallah in
0:19:18 january 2022 sorry i've got the date
0:19:21 wrong it's 2022 january is the burhan
0:19:24 argument which is really the kind of ibn
0:19:27 sinha ibn tamir contingency argument for
0:19:30 the existence of god
0:19:31 and from an islamic theistic perspective
0:19:34 and addressing all of the kind of
0:19:35 contentions we're going to be publishing
0:19:38 the failed hypothesis in april 2022
0:19:41 which deals with darwinism islam and
0:19:44 science we're going to be publishing the
0:19:46 divine perfection book in december 2021
0:19:48 that's next month which is going to have
0:19:50 a tsunami effect
0:19:52 on the daoa especially in the kind of
0:19:56 christian academic community because
0:19:58 we're dealing with
0:20:00 you know some unanswered questions
0:20:03 in the english language concerning
0:20:05 divine perfection
0:20:06 god's love and forgiveness and it's a
0:20:09 phenomenal book and when dr uthman comes
0:20:12 on live
0:20:13 tonight he's going to be explaining a
0:20:15 little bit about that so alhamdulillah
0:20:17 we're going to inshallah over achieve
0:20:18 from this perspective
0:20:20 we also said we're going to film
0:20:22 profession film 10 courses to put on our
0:20:24 learning platform
0:20:26 and we're going to have notes detailed
0:20:28 notes for many of them and slides and
0:20:31 we're going to have
0:20:32 examinations as well multiple
0:20:35 multiple choice questions and what we
0:20:37 have filmed so far is no doubt which is
0:20:40 an in-depth course uh teaching you 10
0:20:42 effective strategies on how to do your
0:20:44 doubts and the doubts of others we've
0:20:46 also filmed awakening the truth within
0:20:48 which is basically our advanced our
0:20:50 training course we also have filmed the
0:20:53 rules of engagement which is you know uh
0:20:55 how to understand logical fallacies how
0:20:58 to develop critical thinking
0:20:59 understanding how to have munavara
0:21:02 discussion debates from an islamic
0:21:03 ethical and intellectual perspective we
0:21:06 filmed divine perfection which again is
0:21:08 about you know
0:21:11 the the concept of god and islam and
0:21:13 christianity concerning maximum
0:21:14 forgiveness and love
0:21:16 and some of the main academic
0:21:18 contentions that come from the christian
0:21:20 academic community
0:21:22 and we also have filmed awakening the
0:21:24 truth within our advanced training
0:21:26 course in spanish
0:21:27 and what we are filming before ramadan
0:21:29 is the divine reality which is a an
0:21:31 in-depth course addressing atheism and
0:21:33 philosophical naturalism we have a
0:21:36 course on islam in liberalism we have a
0:21:38 course on islam and nihilism we have two
0:21:40 courses on christology meaning
0:21:42 christianity and the islamic perspective
0:21:45 we have a course on the quran and
0:21:47 science you know a deconstruction of
0:21:49 philosophical assessment of
0:21:52 me the scientific scientific miracles
0:21:54 claim narrative and producing a more
0:21:56 robust narrative which we call the
0:21:58 multiplicity of readings approach we're
0:22:01 also going to have a course on darwinism
0:22:02 in islam and we're going to be filming
0:22:04 awakening the truth within in arabic so
0:22:07 again here we are going to over achieve
0:22:09 insha allah all of these things will be
0:22:11 ready by april 2022 but we're going to
0:22:14 be launching the learning platform next
0:22:17 month and we're going to have three
0:22:19 courses ready next month in the no doubt
0:22:22 course the awakening of truth within
0:22:24 course and the rules of engagement
0:22:25 course
0:22:26 and all the other courses would be ready
0:22:27 by ramadan in sha allah so we've been
0:22:30 working really really hard behind the
0:22:31 scenes alhamdulillah
0:22:33 and our operations and management
0:22:37 personnel bilal
0:22:39 in turkey he's been working extremely
0:22:41 hard facilitating most of this work may
0:22:44 allah bless him and his family
0:22:46 the other thing we said we're going to
0:22:48 achieve was completing a book on doubts
0:22:50 and the book is going to be basically
0:22:52 based on our no doubt course and that's
0:22:54 part one of the book so we're going to
0:22:56 be in written format telling you the 10
0:22:59 effective strategies in detail with
0:23:01 robust references and robust arguments
0:23:04 and and so on and so forth 10 effective
0:23:06 strategies on how to do with your and
0:23:09 other people's doubts i think this is
0:23:10 going to be a massive game changer and
0:23:12 part two of the book
0:23:14 uh is going to be addressing and
0:23:15 answering the key doubts that you face
0:23:18 online and offline and this can be
0:23:19 published in april 2022 in sha allah
0:23:23 we also said we're going to have two
0:23:24 translations of arabic books by arabic
0:23:27 by arab intellectuals one book is almost
0:23:30 finished and this is the book by
0:23:33 dr sami al amari which is like the
0:23:35 proofs of prophethood the translation is
0:23:37 going to be complete this month and
0:23:39 we're publishing it next month uh in
0:23:42 december 2021 insha'allah and the other
0:23:44 book that we're going to finish
0:23:46 translating and publishing and we're
0:23:48 going to do this by april 2022
0:23:50 and this is one of sheikh or jadi's
0:23:52 books and we're yet to be decided which
0:23:55 book we're gonna the management team are
0:23:57 gonna sit together and decide which book
0:23:58 we're gonna translate but that will be
0:24:00 ready before ramadan as well in sha
0:24:02 allah now there are some projects that
0:24:05 we mentioned the things that we promised
0:24:07 that we mentioned are some of those
0:24:08 things are dependent on other projects
0:24:10 so we said we're going to empower and
0:24:12 train over 10 000 muslims we've already
0:24:14 trained hundreds and of muslims based on
0:24:18 our on-site courses this year
0:24:20 however we aim to train and develop over
0:24:22 10 000 uh muslims by april 2022 based on
0:24:27 the delivery of our learning platform
0:24:28 alone so our learning platform is going
0:24:30 to have insha allah over 10 000 people
0:24:33 registering and going through the
0:24:34 courses in sha allah we're developing a
0:24:37 very careful marketing campaign to
0:24:39 ensure that happens
0:24:40 we're also going to publish a website
0:24:42 responding to leading anti-islamic
0:24:44 websites but that's also dependent on
0:24:46 the no doubt book that we're producing
0:24:48 that's going to be ready by april so in
0:24:50 parallel we're going to be working on
0:24:51 that website as well
0:24:53 and the other
0:24:54 project or deliverable that's dependent
0:24:56 on other projects is ensuring our
0:24:58 advanced our training course is
0:25:00 available in other languages if you
0:25:02 remember we already have one
0:25:04 we already have the advanced our
0:25:05 training course in spanish but we're
0:25:08 going to have the dao training course in
0:25:10 arabic as well and that's going to be
0:25:11 ready on our learning platform by april
0:25:13 2022 in sha allah
0:25:16 the other thing that we promised to
0:25:17 deliver was publish world research
0:25:19 writing if you go to our website
0:25:20 sapience institute institute.org forward
0:25:23 slash read we've published
0:25:25 wrestling with free will reflections of
0:25:27 divine and human freedom by muhammad
0:25:29 hijab
0:25:30 does the quran say the earth is flat
0:25:32 islamic scholarship and the multiplicity
0:25:34 of readings approach
0:25:35 and we have
0:25:37 many other in-depth essays that are
0:25:38 being right written and that they're
0:25:40 going to be produced in the next couple
0:25:41 of weeks and months for example nihilism
0:25:44 as a poison part two islam is the
0:25:46 antidote the hard problem in god's
0:25:49 existence part one can physicalism and
0:25:51 neuroscience solve the mystery of
0:25:53 consciousness
0:25:54 is the quran scientific an assessment of
0:25:57 the scientific miracles claim and much
0:25:59 much more
0:26:01 we also said we're going to produce 60
0:26:03 plus videos
0:26:04 so far we've produced 14 sapient
0:26:07 thoughts videos that are available for
0:26:08 you to watch there's another seven
0:26:10 that's coming out very soon we have
0:26:13 produced seven online academic seminars
0:26:16 seven londoner poem commentary videos so
0:26:20 that's around 28 videos so far plus the
0:26:22 seven that are just about to be
0:26:24 published that's going to be 35 and
0:26:26 inshallah we are we are on target to
0:26:29 produce another 35 before ramadan so
0:26:32 we're well on target with regards to
0:26:34 this as well insha allah the remaining
0:26:37 projects that we should quickly discuss
0:26:38 we said we're going to engage in four
0:26:40 academic discussions and debates we're
0:26:42 in the process of planning these
0:26:43 discussions debates in december 2021 so
0:26:46 we're going to have a planning meeting
0:26:47 in december so we could actually plan
0:26:50 these debates uh in
0:26:52 2022 inshallah and hopefully all four
0:26:56 debates will be done before ramadan i
0:26:58 know there's one happening in sha allah
0:27:00 in texas with fahad slim
0:27:02 but we're going to give you more
0:27:03 information on that very soon
0:27:05 we also said that we're going to ensure
0:27:07 translations of our work in other
0:27:08 languages and if you go on our website
0:27:11 you can see that we have two tabs one
0:27:14 turkish tab and an ink and a spanish tab
0:27:16 sorry uh it says english here by
0:27:18 supposed to say spanish and we have
0:27:20 translations and these translations are
0:27:23 also ongoing as well we said we're going
0:27:25 to start a new podcast and i'm happy to
0:27:27 announce that we're going to start a new
0:27:28 podcast in february
0:27:32 2022. and there's much more because not
0:27:35 only are we on in we're achieving what
0:27:38 we said we're going to achieve what we
0:27:39 said in ramadan that what we're going to
0:27:41 achieve this operational year but we
0:27:43 also
0:27:44 um
0:27:47 we also have doing much much more for
0:27:48 example we have the londinia poem in
0:27:50 commentary we have this
0:27:52 elmi poem on contemporary arcader and an
0:27:56 in-depth commentary book coming out very
0:27:59 soon in sha allah and you've been
0:28:00 watching some of these videos about
0:28:02 muhammad hijab and lots of people have
0:28:04 been enjoying them very positive
0:28:06 feedback i was reading something today
0:28:07 that you know they were they were
0:28:09 delighted with regards to the londoner
0:28:12 program and the commentary is going to
0:28:14 be an expansion of these videos in depth
0:28:17 with references
0:28:19 we also do lectures at universities and
0:28:21 on-site courses for example factors name
0:28:24 in america because we have sapience
0:28:26 america now we are a 501c which is a
0:28:29 registered charity in america and we've
0:28:31 launched the no doubt no doubt on-site
0:28:34 course and far has been going from state
0:28:36 to state actually delivering this course
0:28:38 and you can find more information at no
0:28:41 doubt course dot com and it's not only
0:28:43 in the usa but all around the world so
0:28:45 if you want this course face to face in
0:28:46 your country then then just ask for it
0:28:49 we also have sapience institute arabic
0:28:51 youtube channel and we also have a
0:28:54 really brilliant course coming up which
0:28:57 insha allah dr suffolk chowdhury is
0:28:58 going to be working on and i had a
0:29:00 seminar with him just a few hours ago on
0:29:02 on our channel and it's basically
0:29:04 bridging the gap between the uh
0:29:07 and theological philosophy in a dow
0:29:10 context training so we're going to be
0:29:14 bridging the gap providing a training
0:29:16 course an advanced training course to
0:29:18 ulema from different backgrounds from
0:29:21 medina from the
0:29:22 from al-azhar and it's going to be
0:29:26 we're going to basically link the kind
0:29:28 of islamic intellectual tradition they
0:29:30 learn at their seminaries at their
0:29:32 institutions
0:29:33 and get them to contemporaries to make
0:29:35 sense of it in contemporary theo
0:29:38 philosophical discourse in the context
0:29:40 of dawa and this is something that is
0:29:42 absolutely phenomenal and it's a
0:29:44 strategic game changer because all of
0:29:47 these
0:29:48 and these thinkers and these and these
0:29:50 students of knowledge
0:29:52 they can basically now attend a course
0:29:54 like this to be able to really get all
0:29:57 of the wealth of knowledge that they
0:29:58 have from the from the institutions and
0:30:00 the and the years and
0:30:02 even some of them decades of learning
0:30:04 and now they're able to understand the
0:30:07 contemporary language apply that elm in
0:30:10 a contemporary discourse from a theo
0:30:12 philosophical perspective in the context
0:30:14 of dawah so this is going to be a huge
0:30:16 game changer in sha allah
0:30:19 from a point of view of compliance and
0:30:20 best practice we have a robust code of
0:30:22 conduct that you can find online we have
0:30:24 a conflicts of interest policy and risk
0:30:27 management policy and procedure
0:30:28 anti-extremism guidance safeguarding
0:30:31 policy multi-level finance and
0:30:33 procurement approval processes based on
0:30:35 our intranet system and more so we are
0:30:38 aligning ourselves with best practice
0:30:40 processes and procedures in order to be
0:30:42 transparent and to be ethical as best as
0:30:46 possible you have any questions please
0:30:48 let us know so now it's time to speak to
0:30:51 the team uh brothers and sisters i'm
0:30:54 gonna just bring them on alhamdulillah
0:30:57 we have subhanallah the great giants of
0:31:00 our team here we're gonna to bring on
0:31:02 board now
0:31:04 yourself
0:31:12 us
0:31:31 alhamdulillah
0:31:32 god bless him we have sheikh muhammad
0:31:35 masha'allah
0:31:38 and what who's coming on board shortly
0:31:40 is going to be sabor and muhammad
0:31:42 hijab's coming on board in the next i
0:31:44 think 15 minutes alhamdulillah
0:31:48 so
0:31:48 um apologies for the long presentation
0:31:51 but i wanted to give everyone exactly
0:31:53 what we've been doing and what we're
0:31:54 achieving because we promised them a
0:31:56 whole set of things that we're going to
0:31:57 deliver and insha allah in progress to
0:31:59 delivering all of it and more
0:32:01 alhamdulillah and it's all because of
0:32:02 your great work
0:32:04 my dear beloved brothers
0:32:06 so
0:32:06 um
0:32:07 what we'll do we're going to take some
0:32:09 questions because we said we're going to
0:32:10 take questions
0:32:11 on
0:32:12 uh theo philosophical issues
0:32:14 uh suburban mohammed hijab is going to
0:32:16 jump on board on this live stream in the
0:32:18 next 10 or 15 minutes
0:32:19 and they're going to talk about their
0:32:20 work as well but let's just really have
0:32:23 a summary with regards to
0:32:26 um everyone's different pieces of work
0:32:28 so let's start with the dr osman latif
0:32:30 with regards to the amazing book that
0:32:33 you're writing at the moment which is at
0:32:36 the moment called divine perfection but
0:32:37 we're going to change the title so give
0:32:40 us an update where i think we'll
0:32:42 obviously have planned to publish this
0:32:43 next month so talk talk to everybody
0:32:46 what's going on with the book
0:32:51 you're new
0:33:00 thank you so much for your introduction
0:33:02 to our work over the last six months and
0:33:04 assam come to all of our great team
0:33:06 muhammad bless all of you
0:33:08 uh alhamdulillah we begin by thanking
0:33:10 and praising allah subhanahu wa there is
0:33:11 a big nema from him alone subhanallah
0:33:14 all successes from him alone subhanallah
0:33:16 we say we say
0:33:19 um
0:33:22 everything and all of us are
0:33:24 recipients of that divine grace and
0:33:26 blessings and bounty and mercy from him
0:33:28 alone
0:33:30 um alhamdulillah i think it's it's
0:33:32 coming on very well alhamdulillah so you
0:33:34 know if you recall i began we began this
0:33:36 project
0:33:37 last year and initially it was following
0:33:40 on from the kind of things that were
0:33:42 being said by what have been said for a
0:33:44 long time
0:33:45 by dr professor william craig up in
0:33:48 america
0:33:49 and these were points of detractions you
0:33:52 know against islam he's making comments
0:33:54 in his debates in his
0:33:56 in his books in his podcast
0:33:59 uh and it began by responding to these
0:34:01 in a very academic fashion looking
0:34:03 closely the kind of arguments he's
0:34:05 making uh but the the thesis of the book
0:34:08 was predicated quite strongly on the
0:34:10 idea of divine perfection or maximal
0:34:12 affection of the divine of allah of god
0:34:14 subhanallah
0:34:16 but alhamdulillah since that time it's
0:34:18 kind of progressed much more than that
0:34:20 it's become a book that's uh that's
0:34:22 really taking on board
0:34:25 a lot of these attractions from people
0:34:28 you know far back from
0:34:30 the beginning of christian history
0:34:31 really over the last two millennia uh
0:34:34 people like joan of damascus thomas
0:34:35 aquinas uh and then people
0:34:38 before like hundreds of years ago like
0:34:39 samuel zwiemer
0:34:41 in contemporary time james langford
0:34:43 william craig
0:34:44 um you know and others as well and so
0:34:47 what i explore and look very closely in
0:34:49 the book is i look at the kind of
0:34:51 uh well one one part of it is to look at
0:34:53 the quranic verses and arguments that
0:34:56 these christian apologists and
0:34:58 missionaries use
0:34:59 and and how they misinterpret them or
0:35:01 how they misquote them
0:35:03 and how in fact the quran is the biggest
0:35:05 proof
0:35:06 oftentimes in fact it's the same verses
0:35:08 that they're misapplying that serve as
0:35:10 the biggest proof against the arguments
0:35:12 that are actually making if those if
0:35:14 those verses are understood correctly
0:35:16 uh you know and interpreted in in the
0:35:18 right in the right light
0:35:20 um and so therefore that's kind of one
0:35:22 area of of what the book is
0:35:25 but the the fundamental in fact of the
0:35:27 book is is is about what i call the
0:35:31 adamic conundrum
0:35:33 and and what this presents is a kind of
0:35:35 a new paradigm
0:35:36 through which we can look at christian
0:35:39 muslim engagement
0:35:40 uh it's it's kind of it's taking the
0:35:42 discussion away from
0:35:44 what people
0:35:45 oftentimes assume to be the beginning
0:35:48 points of our discussions and so that
0:35:50 might be things about the the divinity
0:35:54 of jesus christ from the christian
0:35:55 narrative or um you know about the the
0:35:59 sonship of jesus christ uh all of these
0:36:01 things i argue in the book are quite
0:36:04 secondary
0:36:05 there is a beginning point that we
0:36:07 should be engaging with them as muslims
0:36:10 and this is something that is
0:36:11 fundamentally explained in the quran
0:36:14 and it's it's one of i i believe the one
0:36:16 of the biggest proofs and points
0:36:19 against
0:36:20 you know that the most fundamental
0:36:23 christian premises for their theology
0:36:27 and so i look very closely at things
0:36:29 like christian atonement theories
0:36:31 and how they develop and how they
0:36:33 how they build up this salvific figure
0:36:36 of jesus christ and why so and the
0:36:39 question there is about the why so
0:36:40 element so it's not so much about the
0:36:42 what about the why
0:36:44 and i think if we understand the why
0:36:46 everything makes a lot of sense
0:36:48 and and then when you see the way the
0:36:50 quran is working with with the
0:36:52 christians it's just subhanallah it's so
0:36:54 profound
0:36:55 uh and i think that that's kind of um
0:36:58 that i think inshallah will be something
0:37:00 interesting inshallah for us so the book
0:37:02 alhamdulillah isn't their completion
0:37:04 uh you know it's this kind there are
0:37:05 some kind of
0:37:06 a few other things i'm working on very
0:37:08 closely now uh and i think inshallah
0:37:11 when it's done inshallah it will be a
0:37:13 good thing and shall a good for muslims
0:37:16 and understanding and of course remember
0:37:17 that we do all things with love it is
0:37:19 not about
0:37:21 you know anything antagonistic it is
0:37:23 about full is love i mean that's our
0:37:25 premise it's about being motivated by
0:37:27 love thinking about the divine love of
0:37:29 allah subhanahu wa to allah and having
0:37:31 that kind of very positive fruitful
0:37:33 engagement you know with others because
0:37:35 of course we want good for all people
0:37:36 for ourselves and for other people you
0:37:38 know the prophet says that none of you
0:37:39 truly believe until you love for other
0:37:41 people what you love for yourself and
0:37:42 the best thing we love for ourselves is
0:37:43 guidance and of course we love that love
0:37:45 that for all people and so make twins i
0:37:48 think inshallah once the book is done it
0:37:50 will be a good thing inshallah allah
0:37:51 bless you
0:37:53 i'm really looking forward to it because
0:37:55 it's really taking
0:37:57 the kind of academic christian arguments
0:38:00 attacking the conception of god in the
0:38:02 islamic tradition that he is not
0:38:04 maximally loving going through things
0:38:06 like a trinity
0:38:07 and many other aspects and you're taking
0:38:09 it from
0:38:10 their origins from their their salaf if
0:38:14 you like their pious predecessors
0:38:15 they're big scholars and you're going
0:38:17 through history to the contemporary
0:38:19 period to the modern scholars today
0:38:22 and you're actually addressing those
0:38:23 arguments from very deep quranic
0:38:25 perspective and in a very unique
0:38:27 perspective as one i think one that
0:38:29 would show that allah subhanahu wa is
0:38:32 maximally loving maximally forgiving and
0:38:34 that the kind of different
0:38:36 concepts and ideas that emanate from
0:38:38 biblical christianity as as it's known
0:38:40 today is not coherent and not in line
0:38:43 with the maximum
0:38:44 perfect so may i bless you look we're
0:38:46 here for that man bless you
0:38:48 let's speak to sheikh mohammed idris in
0:38:51 the house
0:38:52 he's got his hat on he's got his
0:38:54 earphones on he's got the books behind
0:38:57 him
0:38:58 alhamdulillah he is our in-house chef
0:39:00 may allah bless him and preserve him and
0:39:02 his family he's been very busy
0:39:05 and yeah talk to us what happened talk
0:39:08 to us about the course in spanish and
0:39:11 talk to us about the recent course that
0:39:12 you did in madrid
0:39:23 so happy to be with all of you and
0:39:26 and i hope that everyone who's listening
0:39:28 to us is in the best state of human
0:39:30 health
0:39:31 and
0:39:32 alhamdulillah has been
0:39:35 uh regarding the course that you
0:39:36 mentioned that we just had in madrid
0:39:38 alhamdulillah was
0:39:40 a success alhamdulillah
0:39:42 and there were a lot of youngsters who
0:39:44 came said the first time we hearing
0:39:47 these kind of things and
0:39:51 for me
0:39:52 and
0:39:53 was also um opened my eyes in a way that
0:39:59 how important is to engage not just
0:40:02 through
0:40:03 like a
0:40:05 webcam or through internet but also to
0:40:08 engage with people personally because
0:40:10 that hasn't you know our
0:40:13 our
0:40:14 when that when he's in
0:40:16 like in direct contact with others it
0:40:18 has an other impact that we
0:40:21 we cannot reach through just a webcam
0:40:23 but alhamdulillah
0:40:25 when one of the youngsters before the
0:40:26 course
0:40:28 came to me
0:40:29 and said i have a doubt
0:40:32 regarding the existence of allah a
0:40:34 person who was muslim and was having a
0:40:38 very hard time
0:40:40 and when the course ended
0:40:42 the um it was a was a girl she asked me
0:40:46 so many questions i said let's let's
0:40:48 wait until the end of the course
0:40:50 and let's see if we can answer those
0:40:52 questions if not then we'll see it again
0:40:54 insha'allah so at the end of the course
0:40:56 she said that she didn't have any all
0:40:58 the
0:40:59 other questions that all were solved and
0:41:01 she
0:41:02 she was so happy about it no and this is
0:41:05 just one person but obviously if all the
0:41:07 course was just for that person which
0:41:10 was her iman was in doubt and now that
0:41:13 i'm doing that she didn't have any
0:41:14 doubts left
0:41:16 so that would be enough uh of value
0:41:18 alhamdulillah that's the words
0:41:20 attendees and
0:41:22 and alhamdulillah
0:41:23 through that people starts
0:41:25 speaking about the course first time
0:41:28 there's something
0:41:29 like this so specific about you know
0:41:31 like that were the importance of that
0:41:33 one how to give dawah and to give that
0:41:35 responsibility uh you know like uh and
0:41:38 to understand
0:41:40 uh human beings um as who they are with
0:41:43 their with experiences with their
0:41:46 emotions and not just like a
0:41:48 throwing
0:41:49 uh
0:41:50 dialogue that just had just
0:41:52 memorized and tried to
0:41:56 interact with people with that
0:41:58 but it's much more than that and also to
0:42:00 have those skills and to
0:42:03 to
0:42:04 because in spain obviously we we're just
0:42:07 starting with this
0:42:08 with these things and many people don't
0:42:11 don't even know that actually we have so
0:42:13 robust like uh
0:42:16 proofs for our iman for our belief
0:42:19 when they know that it's like they feel
0:42:21 like uh they it's like they they say to
0:42:24 me that they're like they're born again
0:42:26 subhanallah they have a new
0:42:28 opportunity and insha'allah in few weeks
0:42:31 we will be doing in barcelona
0:42:36 is also a success in sha allah over
0:42:38 there the community is even much
0:42:40 bigger and alhamdulillah also as you
0:42:43 said before translating many of the
0:42:46 articles of works that we're doing we
0:42:48 have that that course alhamdulillah also
0:42:51 available online
0:42:53 in the learning platform
0:42:55 and slowly slowly getting these things
0:42:57 done
0:42:59 and as i said before this is the first
0:43:00 time actually we we dealing with these
0:43:02 issues in in spanish directly at
0:43:04 hamdurillah
0:43:05 here chef so
0:43:07 uh
0:43:07 so you recently delivered our the sa
0:43:10 pence institute advanced our training
0:43:12 course in madrid in a couple of weeks
0:43:14 it's going to be in brazil in not brazil
0:43:16 in barcelona
0:43:17 uh and we need to have a meeting about
0:43:19 that so i'll call you tomorrow inshallah
0:43:21 um
0:43:22 and
0:43:23 it sounds like you got amazing feedback
0:43:25 from people
0:43:26 um so that's i'm really delighted about
0:43:28 that and also your translations have
0:43:30 been you know
0:43:32 in actual fact brothers and sisters
0:43:34 there are a couple of translations we
0:43:35 haven't published yet just because of
0:43:37 time uh so he's he's he's too fast for
0:43:40 us so there's about two pieces that we
0:43:42 haven't put up yet inshallah i'm gonna
0:43:44 aim to try and put them up next week
0:43:46 insha'allah but the the most effective
0:43:49 thing as well is the one-to-one training
0:43:52 with masses of people face to face
0:43:55 you're definitely delivering that
0:43:57 training in spain in madrid in barcelona
0:43:59 you've done the advanced dial training
0:44:00 course in spanish for our learning
0:44:02 platform that's going to be launched
0:44:04 very soon insha'allah so all of this is
0:44:06 great work in developing and empowering
0:44:08 others to be able to share and defend
0:44:10 islam academics and intellectually one
0:44:12 thing that you think you missed out
0:44:13 which you're also going to be doing this
0:44:15 the no doubt course 10 effective
0:44:17 strategies on how to deal with
0:44:20 your doubts and the doubts of other
0:44:21 people alhamdulillah
0:44:23 so yeah
0:44:24 for that so
0:44:26 let's have a little quick update before
0:44:28 we get questions from people and we get
0:44:30 the other brothers on board let's speak
0:44:31 to bilal
0:44:33 onya
0:44:34 our
0:44:40 give us an update on
0:44:42 uh
0:44:43 nearly
0:44:46 too many pieces of work that have been
0:44:47 going on from risk management to
0:44:49 operations to management to implementing
0:44:52 learning platform bismillah bro tell us
0:44:54 what's been going on
0:45:00 so yeah as you said there's been many
0:45:02 things going on with operations and
0:45:04 management yeah i'll start with the
0:45:05 learning platform
0:45:07 uh you've summarized well but uh i'll
0:45:10 have some things to add inshallah
0:45:13 we started filming the courses around
0:45:16 june june 15 i guess fat uh you know
0:45:20 he came all the way from us to istanbul
0:45:22 and we filmed for like
0:45:23 15 days i guess
0:45:25 with fahad and yourself
0:45:28 and the other courses we filmed
0:45:31 in istanbul and other places in in uk
0:45:34 uh
0:45:35 and you know the filming is like a not
0:45:37 very easy uh you get into a studio
0:45:41 spend hours four hours five hours
0:45:43 dressed motif in the uk oh and he filmed
0:45:47 two times one one of the courses so he
0:45:49 knows how it is
0:45:53 so it's a struggle and al hamdulillah
0:45:55 we've been able to film six courses in
0:45:58 now
0:45:58 and those are as you we've said before
0:46:01 no doubt cause uh the awakening the
0:46:03 truth within
0:46:05 uh the spanish dawah course shaykh
0:46:07 mohammed rishi from that one being human
0:46:10 from the doctors
0:46:12 and divine perfection from christmas as
0:46:14 well and the art of debating in
0:46:16 disputation from doctor suffolk
0:46:18 choudhury it are the six courses we've
0:46:20 been uh
0:46:21 able to film and there are i guess seven
0:46:24 to go
0:46:26 so
0:46:27 let me talk to you about the learning
0:46:29 platform a bit yeah it's a website
0:46:31 obviously and
0:46:32 it has a membership
0:46:34 you you log in and you become a member
0:46:36 and
0:46:37 you have your own profile
0:46:39 you can uh follow lectures from your
0:46:42 profile you see the percentage uh how
0:46:44 many lectures you've watched
0:46:47 uh you know you can see the minutes of
0:46:48 the lectures you know if you if you
0:46:50 don't want to spend so much time on a
0:46:52 learning platform you can see like three
0:46:53 minute lectures you can just go and
0:46:56 watch and get out and if you want a
0:46:58 longer one you can go and watch a longer
0:47:00 one you don't have to follow the
0:47:01 curriculum
0:47:02 uh you need to you know if you want to
0:47:06 watch specific lecture you can
0:47:09 look at the curriculum page and click on
0:47:11 a lecture and just watch it
0:47:14 but if you do follow the curriculum
0:47:15 that's good for you and you can have
0:47:17 quizzes and exams
0:47:19 we are preparing them
0:47:20 they are mostly
0:47:22 mult choices but we might have like fill
0:47:24 in the blanks or other other
0:47:27 question types as well
0:47:30 um
0:47:31 and the courses will have their own
0:47:33 notes and the slides that you can
0:47:35 download and follow
0:47:37 with the lecture
0:47:38 so we're gonna pro we're gonna be
0:47:40 providing those as well
0:47:42 um
0:47:44 so you know this is like the basic
0:47:46 structure of the course you go into the
0:47:48 course you start the course you follow
0:47:51 the curriculum
0:47:52 it ends and you will have a
0:47:55 nice cps institute certificate with your
0:47:58 name written on it you can keep later on
0:48:01 uh but this is the main thing
0:48:04 maybe
0:48:05 let's say this is the basic version the
0:48:06 learning platform after the launch but
0:48:09 later on we're gonna shall i make it
0:48:11 more interactive for example you will
0:48:12 have you already have your own profile
0:48:15 and the
0:48:16 instructors have their own profile as
0:48:18 well
0:48:19 so you're going to be able to interact
0:48:21 with them
0:48:22 in the live lectures
0:48:24 and
0:48:25 you know you'll have your questions and
0:48:27 you can ask them
0:48:28 now on youtube live streams
0:48:30 we have q a sessions
0:48:32 but it's usually off the point sometimes
0:48:36 uh people come in and ask the question
0:48:38 the you know the the topic changes et
0:48:40 cetera on the lecture
0:48:42 it's uh based on the lecture so you can
0:48:45 have
0:48:45 a better interaction with the teacher on
0:48:48 learning platform
0:48:50 uh and inshallah we're gonna have a demo
0:48:52 of that with uh hamza uh soonish allah
0:48:55 with some of the with one of the
0:48:57 lectures from the no doubt course uh
0:49:00 when we are launching the uh
0:49:02 platform inshallah
0:49:04 uh
0:49:05 yeah that's basically it about the
0:49:07 learning platform
0:49:10 what does
0:49:11 the management
0:49:17 so um
0:49:18 just to add to everyone i think maybe
0:49:20 they didn't get it which is the learning
0:49:22 platform is totally free all of our work
0:49:24 is actually free
0:49:26 um and
0:49:27 when you register as a member you'll be
0:49:29 able to access all the course content
0:49:32 and if you want to be studious you go
0:49:34 through the whole thing finish all the
0:49:35 examinations to get your certificate or
0:49:37 you can if you want to go into
0:49:39 individual lectures as well but as bilal
0:49:40 said we advise you go through the whole
0:49:42 thing so you can get your certification
0:49:44 and you can actually basically
0:49:47 acquire all the necessary knowledge and
0:49:48 concepts in order for to progress
0:49:50 yourself with regards to sharing islam
0:49:52 academically and intellectually so yeah
0:49:55 i mean the other things are bilal all
0:49:57 the risk assessments the risk management
0:50:01 policy that you've implemented
0:50:03 because part of our best practice is
0:50:05 that we have to risk assess every single
0:50:06 person and every single person that does
0:50:08 work for us and that is connected to us
0:50:10 in some way so you have working very
0:50:13 very hard doing the detailed risk
0:50:15 assessments obviously we can't give full
0:50:17 details because some of those things are
0:50:18 private and confidential um but yeah so
0:50:22 bilal has been working on risk
0:50:23 assessments he's been working on
0:50:26 relationship building as well even from
0:50:28 a turkish perspective
0:50:30 and many other projects that we're
0:50:31 dealing with as well because there's
0:50:32 some things in the presentation that
0:50:34 haven't mentioned
0:50:35 like the publishing of our books the
0:50:37 reformatting and typesetting
0:50:40 relationship building stakeholder
0:50:42 management all of these things and
0:50:44 alhamdulillah bilal has been quite
0:50:45 central to that um
0:50:47 so yeah if there's anything else you
0:50:48 want to add to that is no problem you're
0:50:50 more than welcome
0:50:52 yeah i know thank you uh just you know
0:50:54 you don't know it yet but our first
0:50:56 guest for the podcast is being confirmed
0:50:59 oh brilliant
0:51:00 oh the conversation the conversation
0:51:02 that we had previously
0:51:06 yeah
0:51:06 yeah with that oh brilliant
0:51:09 with that person inshaallah we're gonna
0:51:11 be filming
0:51:12 when uh sabu comes
0:51:15 that's epic ma well done bro that is
0:51:18 that's gonna be epic we need to spice it
0:51:20 up a bit as well we need to get them you
0:51:22 know
0:51:23 having good intellectual dialogue
0:51:25 absolutely i mean they'll do it
0:51:27 automatically it's like their character
0:51:29 is
0:51:30 for that
0:51:33 yeah see i forgot to mention that as
0:51:35 well bilal is is working on the podcast
0:51:37 as well so
0:51:38 bless him and his family
0:51:40 and yeah so it's after her so next we
0:51:43 have as a summary is our lighthouse
0:51:46 mentoring
0:51:47 manager and also our instructor and
0:51:51 writer
0:51:52 and
0:51:53 and and everything else in between our
0:51:56 beloved brother
0:51:57 yusuf ponders talk to us bro talk to us
0:51:59 first about lighthouse mentoring and
0:52:01 talk to us
0:52:02 about um
0:52:05 your forthcoming writing as well and
0:52:07 other bits and pieces bismillah yes
0:52:12 uh so yeah the lighthouse project it's
0:52:14 been running for
0:52:16 most of the year now when did we start
0:52:18 it was it about march april
0:52:20 it's around about there
0:52:22 and uh
0:52:23 yeah it's been going really really well
0:52:25 um so we've got about seven
0:52:27 mentors um currently working on it
0:52:31 and yeah yeah
0:52:33 hamza gave a brief description of what
0:52:35 we've been doing but we've been talking
0:52:36 to everyone um the majority of the
0:52:37 people that are using the service at the
0:52:38 moment are people who are already
0:52:40 muslims um who are currently suffering
0:52:42 from doubts or questions about certain
0:52:45 things um
0:52:47 varying from pretty much all the sort of
0:52:49 questions you could think popping up
0:52:51 and
0:52:53 other than that we've been dealing with
0:52:54 people who've been interested in islam
0:52:56 and with ex-muslims
0:52:59 in the past couple of weeks i've spoke
0:53:00 to someone
0:53:02 who left islam and came back
0:53:04 and we were going over a few
0:53:06 more things that we're trying to get
0:53:07 their head around and alhamdulillah it
0:53:09 seems like their their faith is setting
0:53:11 settling a lot and we've been getting a
0:53:13 lot of good feedback as well um
0:53:15 even at the the end of the the sessions
0:53:18 themselves people generally tend to be
0:53:19 very thankful thankful
0:53:21 um for the opportunity to be able to
0:53:23 just sit down and have a conversation
0:53:24 with people one-to-one
0:53:26 um because it's often the case that they
0:53:28 don't really have anyone to talk to
0:53:30 and the opportunity to
0:53:32 speak to a duet um and you know in a
0:53:35 private setting one to one rather than
0:53:37 on live streams or in chats or by email
0:53:40 and things like that the you know the
0:53:42 opportunity to have face-to-face
0:53:43 conversation with cameras on
0:53:45 or just audio only
0:53:47 um
0:53:48 people really are sort of warming to
0:53:50 this idea and it
0:53:51 it's the only if it's kind of at the
0:53:52 moment in the release so
0:53:54 hamdulillah
0:53:56 should be something that we hope to
0:53:58 increase as well so we're looking at uh
0:54:00 expanding the service inshallah we're
0:54:02 currently
0:54:04 trying to arrange some sort of system
0:54:06 updates as well to help the expansion a
0:54:08 little bit so i'm looking at trying to
0:54:11 get some sort of software developers or
0:54:12 web developers
0:54:14 to help with the process um
0:54:16 attendance
0:54:17 can be a bit of a problem sometimes so
0:54:19 we're trying to think of ways to try to
0:54:21 increase that
0:54:22 and if any of you that are watching now
0:54:24 have used the service uh if you have any
0:54:26 feedback or maybe you're someone who's
0:54:28 booked and hasn't attended a meeting um
0:54:31 you could let us know uh via the email
0:54:33 lighthouse
0:54:35 sapiensinstitute.org or if you have if
0:54:37 you've used the service and you want to
0:54:38 give any feedback at all uh be that
0:54:40 positive or negative you can do so via
0:54:42 that email too
0:54:43 um
0:54:44 other than that uh
0:54:46 with regards to my upcoming essay um so
0:54:49 this is gonna be islam as an antidote to
0:54:52 that it's taking a lot longer than i
0:54:53 wanted it to
0:54:54 um
0:54:55 but yeah we're we're making progress i
0:54:57 think i'm about 9 000
0:54:59 oh the target was always a lot smaller
0:55:01 and then it always ends up tripling
0:55:03 uh i don't know if dr uthman had that
0:55:04 same issue with his book maybe
0:55:07 but i think it's just the the way of the
0:55:08 world so yeah that's currently in the
0:55:10 process of being completed
0:55:11 um and inshallah that should be a nice
0:55:14 little addition to the part one
0:55:16 and hopefully that will be done soon and
0:55:18 then we're looking at recording um
0:55:21 with brother jake as well
0:55:23 we're in discussions about where that's
0:55:25 going to be exactly but we're
0:55:27 going to be filming the the nihilism
0:55:29 course
0:55:31 and getting that completed and then
0:55:32 jake's going to be doing some
0:55:33 christiology courses
0:55:35 yes as well
0:55:36 two quarters from jake there'll be one
0:55:38 in-depth course from yourself and islam
0:55:40 and nihilism
0:55:41 uh your essay was phenomenal your second
0:55:43 part essay is going to be phenomenal
0:55:44 with you inshallah i remember
0:55:46 we met about a month ago isn't it in the
0:55:48 office yeah
0:55:50 yeah i'm still trying to um
0:55:52 translate your notes
0:55:56 you you're right you're right like a
0:55:57 doctor bro yeah i'm sorry man i'm sorry
0:55:59 doctor's handwriting
0:56:02 yes so you know
0:56:04 mashallah with his you know usual humble
0:56:07 self
0:56:08 uh you know lighthouse mentoring service
0:56:10 is a phenomenal project
0:56:12 you know we have one-to-ones with people
0:56:14 with doubts and we also have one-to-ones
0:56:15 with mashayek and scholars we had for
0:56:18 example a scholar who's being involved
0:56:20 in rsc he's becoming a teacher he wants
0:56:23 to have a positive impact concerning the
0:56:24 curriculum and how to apply in a way
0:56:26 that is balanced for all communities
0:56:28 including the muslims and that's going
0:56:30 to have a massive effect from a kind of
0:56:32 british
0:56:33 educational point of view for muslims
0:56:36 and non-muslims and there was another in
0:56:38 terms of how he wanted to get involved
0:56:41 in academic type of dawah and so on and
0:56:43 so forth so we actually help mentor
0:56:46 people to have a great impact as well
0:56:47 it's not just about the the doubts uh
0:56:50 themselves but even when it's done
0:56:53 yeah when it's just people just having
0:56:55 uh
0:56:56 doubts you know i think what's very
0:56:58 important is when they get clarified
0:57:00 they get empowered and they they they
0:57:02 they actually want to share islam and
0:57:04 they want to basically share the beauty
0:57:06 of islam and in some cases you know
0:57:09 people move on forward to do some
0:57:11 amazing things and i think we're going
0:57:12 to be seeing the results of that so i
0:57:14 just want to say jazakallah for to yusuf
0:57:17 because managing that whole process is
0:57:19 very difficult um and merlot grant him
0:57:22 you know ease and success
0:57:24 i just wanted to add to that as well it
0:57:26 turns out to be quite a bit of life
0:57:28 coaching too like people um
0:57:31 you're speaking to them and one minute
0:57:32 you're talking answering particular
0:57:34 questions about certain talents and then
0:57:36 the next minute you're sort of helping
0:57:37 them to battle plan life
0:57:39 how to organize themselves and a lot of
0:57:42 this is um
0:57:43 i think the issue people
0:57:45 um
0:57:46 have bad methodology and they're just
0:57:48 trying to figure out ways of organizing
0:57:51 themselves more than anything and then
0:57:53 when they have that opportunity to
0:57:54 really sort of like
0:57:55 map things out
0:57:57 and
0:57:58 you know with a little bit of external
0:58:00 help
0:58:01 um that organization helps to give them
0:58:03 a lot of um
0:58:05 you know a sturdy foundation to sort of
0:58:07 propel themselves forward from but at
0:58:09 the moment i've been speaking like um
0:58:10 yesterday i had a really really good
0:58:12 conversation with a brother who's
0:58:13 looking to do his masters in
0:58:16 uh the philosophy of science and
0:58:18 we ended up writing out a whole essay
0:58:20 plan for his dissertation
0:58:23 and we were going through it and taking
0:58:25 talking about the different steps and
0:58:26 the conversation ended up going on for
0:58:28 about an hour and a half in the end
0:58:29 um that was really good and yeah so
0:58:32 we're talking to academics and people
0:58:33 planning to go into university and
0:58:35 helping them with that process
0:58:37 even just talking to them there's been
0:58:39 some authors that have been getting in
0:58:40 touch with us
0:58:41 and you know they're just rattling a few
0:58:42 ideas about what they're writing in
0:58:44 their books and they've sent us draft
0:58:47 versions to go over and things like that
0:58:49 um so the services is turning out quite
0:58:51 broad so it's helping people with doubts
0:58:53 it's you know
0:58:54 talking to people who are interested in
0:58:55 islam um non-muslims ex-muslims etc
0:58:58 empowering dua to help you know giving
0:59:00 them strategies on how to approach
0:59:02 people um i did my first ever
0:59:06 seminar i told you
0:59:07 under the what's up someone invited me
0:59:09 to go to mmu
0:59:11 and i went there and it was super
0:59:13 awkward because i've never done anything
0:59:14 off um
0:59:16 camera it's a lot different like on a
0:59:18 live stream like this because you've not
0:59:20 got the eyeballs
0:59:22 in the audience staring at you
0:59:24 yeah so
0:59:25 that went a lot better than i thought it
0:59:27 was going to
0:59:28 um
0:59:29 so that was pretty interesting but the
0:59:31 same thing is sort of empowering people
0:59:32 giving people strategies and talking
0:59:34 about you know like ideas in terms of
0:59:36 how to where to get started
0:59:38 say um there's a lot of people that they
0:59:40 want to get started in daoa but
0:59:42 there's nothing going on in their area
0:59:44 so
0:59:45 helping people to sort of map the area
0:59:47 to go out to
0:59:48 you know ring up the local mosques and
0:59:50 see if they have any services going or
0:59:52 if they got any tables they can attend
0:59:54 um and if they haven't to go to these um
0:59:57 you know the friday cutoffs and just to
0:59:59 ask the imam if they can stand on the
1:00:00 front and you know just sort of make an
1:00:02 announcement i'm looking to do diaries
1:00:03 or anyone in here that wants to get
1:00:05 involved with us and just giving them
1:00:07 little ideas like that how to start with
1:00:09 nothing and then how to build with that
1:00:11 and you know based on what's available
1:00:13 with like no funds well no nothing
1:00:16 just using your own initiative
1:00:18 um
1:00:19 and yeah i hope that it's going really
1:00:20 well i'm i've got a lot of hopes for the
1:00:22 service to expand a lot in the future
1:00:24 inshallah
1:00:25 for her bro
1:00:26 god you
1:00:27 and um
1:00:30 i'm looking forward to the filming
1:00:37 it's
1:00:38 it's it's it's the
1:00:41 it's the powerhouse it's our lions
1:00:44 allah but the thing is who's the lion
1:00:46 and who's the lioness that's the
1:00:47 question they've got the names they've
1:00:49 got the lion mains
1:00:51 but so basically brothers um
1:00:54 first and foremost uh uh
1:00:57 we went through like about half an hour
1:00:58 presentation on the updates on what
1:01:00 we'll be doing at sapiens because if you
1:01:02 remember in ramadan
1:01:04 we promised a whole list of the liberals
1:01:06 that we're going to achieve and i gave
1:01:07 them an update on that and in actual
1:01:09 fact in many cases we're going to
1:01:10 overachieve insha allah so we said we're
1:01:12 going to do two books but we're actually
1:01:13 doing three and so on and so forth so
1:01:16 the initial presentation is there for
1:01:18 them
1:01:19 three books which ones did you say
1:01:21 uh so the books that we said that we
1:01:23 were going to do was just simply just
1:01:25 put the presentation was the
1:01:26 burhan which is your one uh the third
1:01:29 hypothesis
1:01:31 uh the divine perfection of doctors
1:01:34 and there are other books anyway that
1:01:35 we're doing for example we're
1:01:36 translating the books from uh uj's book
1:01:39 and amari's book we're also doing
1:01:41 uh a book on no doubt on doubts on how
1:01:44 to attend effective strategies on how to
1:01:46 do a thousand dollars
1:01:49 i even mentioned that at the end because
1:01:51 i said we've got extra stuff that we
1:01:53 didn't say we were going to do so we've
1:01:54 got the londoneer the enemy poem and the
1:01:57 commentary that's coming i mentioned
1:01:58 that again as well because i said
1:02:00 there's more so alhamdulillah as you
1:02:02 said in ramadan bro that the output is
1:02:04 going to be terrifying
1:02:06 and going through the presentation was
1:02:08 kind of terrifying yeah so alhamdulillah
1:02:10 we're so far so good we're achieving the
1:02:12 results from the videos from this that
1:02:14 the other but i have mentioned to them
1:02:16 that we're going to have a management
1:02:17 team meeting in december to discuss the
1:02:19 four debates that we have to have just
1:02:21 before ramadan but the thing is you know
1:02:24 hijab is asking all these people to
1:02:25 debate him but a lot of them are just
1:02:27 hiding away like
1:02:29 they're being gutless they're being
1:02:30 cowards so what can you do we'll have to
1:02:32 debate ourselves
1:02:35 maybe there should be a big debate
1:02:36 between me and me and hijab or something
1:02:38 i don't know maybe we should debate it
1:02:41 i don't want to ruin my career before
1:02:43 it's fine
1:02:46 they'll
1:02:50 [Laughter]
1:02:58 so what we and what we've done we went
1:02:59 for that presentation then we got dr
1:03:01 smith to update on his book and his work
1:03:03 uh sheikh mohammed idris
1:03:05 the learning platform and the management
1:03:07 work and operations work and also yusuf
1:03:09 on lighthouse mentoring so now it's
1:03:11 youtube just give us a little bit of
1:03:13 update so we can start with then we'll
1:03:16 go with hijab then after we'll we'll let
1:03:17 sabal take over and we'll do a q a a
1:03:19 sapience q a
1:03:21 uh in terms of sabor
1:03:23 he should be coming uh over
1:03:26 the continent somehow and he's going to
1:03:28 be delivering his course on darwinism
1:03:31 islam and science
1:03:33 and he's actually doing the field
1:03:35 hypothesis as well
1:03:37 and yeah i'm going to let him talk about
1:03:39 that and then hijab could talk about his
1:03:40 londoner the commentary um his uh his
1:03:45 handbook and many other things and after
1:03:47 we will open up to q a so bismillah
1:03:50 yeah
1:03:51 i was actually listening to you guys
1:03:52 earlier so it's very good and quite
1:03:54 daunting update in terms of what we're
1:03:56 planning on doing which is good you aim
1:03:58 for the moon and you hopefully reach
1:04:00 slaugh
1:04:04 right oh no no offense to anybody who
1:04:06 lives in the slough sloughs
1:04:08 you know in case of an armageddon so um
1:04:11 basically
1:04:12 uh when it comes to the failed
1:04:13 hypothesis book uh as you guys know it's
1:04:16 going to include naturalism darwinism
1:04:18 scientism atheism and all these sort of
1:04:21 topics so at the moment um
1:04:24 most of the chapters are done it's about
1:04:27 updating uh some of the chapters in
1:04:29 terms of some new stuff that's been
1:04:30 actually coming out over the last year
1:04:32 um so on my youtube channel you'll see
1:04:34 some interviews with dr paul nelson
1:04:37 uh i also have uh an upcoming
1:04:39 interesting interview next month with
1:04:41 another prominent intelligent design
1:04:43 proponent
1:04:44 and previously i've had
1:04:47 william demski and also
1:04:51 jonathan wells so some of the
1:04:52 contemporary stuff is going to be
1:04:54 incorporated in the failed hypothesis
1:04:55 book as well
1:04:57 um and as you guys know uh this is a
1:04:59 very big topic darwinism and are
1:05:02 basically address
1:05:03 to it so that's on the failed hypothesis
1:05:05 side of things also i'm developing a
1:05:07 course in terms of evolution darwinism
1:05:10 and naturalism which inshallah will be
1:05:13 delivered in turkey recorded in turkey
1:05:16 early next year
1:05:18 londoner is also something which of
1:05:21 obviously everyone's been following i
1:05:22 also have a section coming up in london
1:05:24 here in a couple of weeks time but so
1:05:25 far mashallah has been manning the ship
1:05:28 on his own uh so far
1:05:30 it is looking pretty good how's it been
1:05:32 going so far with londoner actually
1:05:34 hijab can you can you can you tell us
1:05:36 the full details of londonia in terms of
1:05:38 the poem what chef
1:05:40 who authorized it
1:05:42 uh and you know give people really
1:05:44 people haven't uh been going following
1:05:46 yet and they want to follow give that
1:05:48 kind of elmi background and let them
1:05:50 know exactly the history of it and where
1:05:52 we are so far inshallah
1:05:54 so
1:05:55 basically what we wanted was we wanted
1:05:57 to have a poem because in the islamic
1:05:59 tradition especially in
1:06:01 like medailles in
1:06:02 halakha
1:06:09 of knowledge and knowledge circles
1:06:10 across the world
1:06:12 you have a tradition of getting a meton
1:06:15 or some kind of a poem
1:06:17 and then doing a shot or an explanation
1:06:19 of that poem now this is uh
1:06:21 how the islamic sciences were part of
1:06:24 the way in which islamic sciences were
1:06:26 preserved
1:06:27 for example
1:06:29 in
1:06:30 nahu you have a leisure media
1:06:33 you know in grammar you have ajuramir
1:06:34 you have uh qatar nida you have like you
1:06:37 know alfie numeric
1:06:39 these are poems small and large which
1:06:42 aim to preserve
1:06:44 grammar in a way which is accessible to
1:06:46 students
1:06:47 and likewise in tajweed you have like
1:06:51 file you have in
1:06:52 images or jazzaria
1:06:54 you know which people uh memorize
1:06:58 you know and they memorize it
1:07:00 and they also um
1:07:03 kind of explain it
1:07:05 and uh and the same thing with uh other
1:07:07 things like
1:07:08 and uh
1:07:09 all these things so what we wanted
1:07:12 was that we wanted to create something
1:07:15 which
1:07:16 in theory would be
1:07:18 because we are talking about the faith
1:07:19 and creed of muslims but in conjunction
1:07:22 with the modern ideological trends
1:07:25 especially after the renaissance and the
1:07:28 enlightenment period but which also
1:07:30 includes aspects of comparative religion
1:07:32 and it's that will do the same or
1:07:34 proving god's existence
1:07:38 proving the prophet muhammad
1:07:41 as well as
1:07:42 something to keep people away from
1:07:46 or
1:07:46 the extremities of islamic positioning
1:07:50 this is basically
1:07:52 something
1:07:53 for
1:07:54 people to to have
1:07:56 solidity in their islamic faith
1:08:00 and to know how to argue for it
1:08:03 kind of apologetically if you like
1:08:05 to non-muslims and or muslims who are
1:08:08 influenced by those ideologies
1:08:10 so it's uh it covers around
1:08:13 i think over 25
1:08:16 different ideologies
1:08:18 and all religions
1:08:19 including
1:08:21 but not limited to
1:08:22 the major world religions like uh all of
1:08:26 them you know christianity judaism
1:08:28 sikhism hinduism
1:08:30 and it covers also um
1:08:32 all of the major ideologies that have an
1:08:34 impact including the echo tradition
1:08:38 and so basically what we've done is that
1:08:41 we spoke to one sheikh who's very good
1:08:43 at
1:08:45 poetry
1:08:48 and he's one of the senior shafi
1:08:51 scholars whose
1:08:52 has a place
1:08:54 in the norway institute and also known
1:08:56 to some of the greatest scholars in the
1:08:58 world today
1:08:59 he that he we had conversations and
1:09:02 discussions which took some time to be
1:09:04 fair which then he took and crafted into
1:09:07 a poem
1:09:08 which which is
1:09:10 to be honest i'll tell you the truth i
1:09:11 tried to do the poem myself in the
1:09:13 beginning okay
1:09:14 i tried to write up my my own arabic and
1:09:18 stuff and i sent it to him and he said
1:09:20 that is is not in is not in line with
1:09:23 the conventions
1:09:24 so it has to be with one of the bihar
1:09:28 one of the
1:09:29 it has to be like you know the it has to
1:09:31 be one letter that's
1:09:35 it was a bit of a headache and i i was
1:09:37 not skilled enough in arabic poetry to
1:09:39 be able to do it myself so in a sense
1:09:42 we he done it and uh
1:09:45 obviously we had discussions
1:09:48 and so what he's this poem now
1:09:51 has been complete he sent it now to many
1:09:53 different mashed and across the world
1:09:56 and
1:09:57 like
1:10:00 and it's been given
1:10:03 uh it's been given the go ahead by big
1:10:05 mashayikhan across the world
1:10:08 like
1:10:11 who's the head of the rabbit
1:10:12 like many mashaykh in saudi arabia and
1:10:16 like many mashed in egypt and mauritania
1:10:18 and from what we understand actually
1:10:20 it's going to be
1:10:22 hopefully when the shah comes out it's
1:10:24 actually going to be taught in the
1:10:25 deserts of mauritania
1:10:27 so imagine that sapiens is going to
1:10:29 reach the deserts of mauritania
1:10:31 is going to reach the different distant
1:10:33 areas of the muslim world because these
1:10:35 ideas are going to filter down to the
1:10:38 muslim world
1:10:39 and we believe this is as
1:10:41 sapient special knowledge production
1:10:44 which
1:10:45 we are in a very opportune
1:10:48 uh placement to be able to deliver
1:10:51 and so this is it puts east and west
1:10:53 together
1:10:54 and uh it aims
1:10:57 to
1:10:58 um equip muslim people across the world
1:11:01 not just in the west across the whole
1:11:03 wide world
1:11:04 okay
1:11:05 with these arguments
1:11:07 and um
1:11:09 these are arguments which are
1:11:11 you know in line with the major schools
1:11:13 of credo
1:11:15 and they are not uh they're not
1:11:17 controversial in that uh
1:11:19 from that perspective
1:11:21 and uh we aim to
1:11:24 finish the it in arabic as well so this
1:11:27 the as you may know one may not know
1:11:30 the londoner basically is filmed in a
1:11:32 way where it's interactive so okay we we
1:11:35 do
1:11:36 i do like say for example 45 minutes or
1:11:38 an hour and then after that the the the
1:11:40 participants
1:11:42 in the session they will actually have
1:11:44 like another hour and a half of
1:11:45 discussing these things behind the
1:11:47 scenes
1:11:48 so we've got we've got actual
1:11:49 participants that are taking part of the
1:11:51 london area and they are inshallah our
1:11:54 new like them we hope that in two three
1:11:56 years time
1:11:58 they will be sapiens duat they will be
1:12:01 our guys that they you will see them
1:12:02 you'll know who they are
1:12:04 because they're they're getting very
1:12:05 intimate training so as we're producing
1:12:08 people
1:12:09 you know
1:12:10 and at the same time so as we're going
1:12:12 through it
1:12:13 we're also transcribing all of the
1:12:15 or the explanations in both english and
1:12:18 in arabic now once that's been
1:12:20 transcribed is sent to the mashayek
1:12:23 a center
1:12:25 and if they are happy with it then we
1:12:27 probably clean it up and we publish it
1:12:29 and that's going to be one of the books
1:12:30 so a lot of work is being done just with
1:12:33 the londoner
1:12:35 in order to do it in english and arabic
1:12:36 simultaneously in order to get it all
1:12:39 checked out in order to get the approval
1:12:41 of the alamat in order for it to
1:12:44 to reach
1:12:46 those areas that we've talked about
1:12:47 across the world
1:12:48 in order for uh
1:12:51 people to understand the arguments
1:12:53 like there's so many things that we
1:12:55 found like
1:12:56 i was
1:12:57 the most recent video that i put up was
1:12:58 deontological ethics
1:13:00 very difficult to translate this into
1:13:02 arabic i couldn't even find translation
1:13:04 there was no trans actually there was no
1:13:05 translation of the ontological ethics
1:13:07 into
1:13:07 arabic dynamo so we have
1:13:10 what i think is interesting about this
1:13:12 is it does actually constitute a type of
1:13:14 knowledge
1:13:15 new knowledge production
1:13:17 and we are
1:13:19 hopefully
1:13:20 the objective is to pioneer that
1:13:22 and in the next five ten years
1:13:25 the the anime and the mashaya and the
1:13:27 talib
1:13:28 that are in the muslim world
1:13:30 studying in these areas in india
1:13:33 mauritania and egypt and whatever it may
1:13:35 be
1:13:36 they will have that in part their manage
1:13:38 so they'll be studying
1:13:40 whatever but they also study this
1:13:44 at the end comparative religion
1:13:46 or this ideology or you know different
1:13:49 ideologies that will be
1:13:52 hopefully we aim to put as part of
1:13:54 syllabus because it's as a kind of
1:13:58 and the prophet muhammed told us
1:14:06 he said your head with the mushriks
1:14:08 with yourself with your wealth and with
1:14:10 your tongues
1:14:12 and we aim to make this as the third
1:14:14 category so that's non-dune in terms of
1:14:16 my other updates
1:14:17 as many of you know um
1:14:19 i've done that that book which
1:14:21 constituted my dissertation
1:14:23 with the han book which is going to come
1:14:25 out soon inshallah there's also another
1:14:28 thing which i've written but needs to be
1:14:31 revamped and checked and
1:14:32 which is about the bible quran science
1:14:35 basically
1:14:36 and how the quranic approach to
1:14:41 the naturalistic phenomena
1:14:43 and the the biblical approach so that's
1:14:45 something that i've been working on for
1:14:46 some time
1:14:47 and it has been difficult because i've
1:14:49 had to get a lot of help from professors
1:14:51 and specialists in the bible
1:14:54 in order to um publish it
1:14:57 and um
1:14:58 so these are these are the publications
1:15:00 that are coming out as you know that one
1:15:02 has just come out
1:15:03 on the free will question
1:15:05 um
1:15:07 and apart from that we're starting to
1:15:09 now do lectures abroad travel go here go
1:15:12 there you're going to see a lot more of
1:15:13 that
1:15:14 as well inshallah
1:15:17 inshallah it's a pioneering project and
1:15:20 i think it's going to be something that
1:15:22 really puts sapience on the map not only
1:15:23 locally but around the world as well and
1:15:26 really looking forward to uh
1:15:28 you know
1:15:30 seeing the end product of of the poem
1:15:32 and the explanation and even trying to
1:15:34 get involved and reviewing it and
1:15:36 everyone came coming together to ensure
1:15:37 that it's fit for purpose and reference
1:15:39 and so on and so forth but from what i'm
1:15:41 seeing i'm seeing londoner everywhere i
1:15:43 saw a comment today i saw a comment now
1:15:46 many comments now some allah subhanahu
1:15:48 wa bless you bro it's an amazing project
1:15:50 right the
1:15:54 it's because
1:15:56 we're based in london
1:15:57 [Laughter]
1:16:00 and these are the kinds of questions
1:16:02 that we have like the london muslim
1:16:04 person would have and it follows the
1:16:06 tradition a lot of um
1:16:08 scholars like for example even tamiya
1:16:10 would have like a ted mouriah or he
1:16:12 would have a hama
1:16:14 or he'd have it in
1:16:16 all of these are named after towns and
1:16:17 places where he went yeah
1:16:21 you know um
1:16:22 [Music]
1:16:23 all of these are different places in it
1:16:25 so why not just follow that tradition
1:16:27 called this
1:16:28 the londoner
1:16:32 so brothers and sisters what we've done
1:16:34 so far in the past just over an hour we
1:16:37 went through a presentation on the
1:16:38 sapience updates and went through some
1:16:41 of uh uh we went through our vision our
1:16:43 strategy we went through the why and the
1:16:46 need for sapience and our strategic
1:16:48 focus we also went through all the
1:16:50 promises that we made to in ramadan
1:16:52 what we want to achieve this operational
1:16:54 year which is from may 2021
1:16:57 to april 2022 and i gave you a progress
1:17:00 on that and alhamdulillah we're going to
1:17:02 be aiming to achieve everything insha
1:17:04 allah and more alhamdulillah
1:17:08 it's it's going to be a tough next five
1:17:10 to six months but inshallah i think we
1:17:12 can make it and the progress so far has
1:17:13 been very positive alhamdulillah
1:17:16 and we had updates from everybody who
1:17:18 had updates from dr small latif
1:17:19 concerning his book and his work uh
1:17:21 bilal tonya
1:17:22 we had chef mohammadi dressy yusuf
1:17:25 ponders with lighthouse mentoring he's
1:17:27 the lighthouse mentoring manager and his
1:17:29 essays and his courses that is going to
1:17:30 be delivered the courses that he's going
1:17:32 to deliver but an update from uh suburbs
1:17:35 to get back to me on a specific date
1:17:38 for january inshallah so please hurry
1:17:42 for you to come in and get that filming
1:17:44 done and uh hijab just basically gave
1:17:46 his
1:17:47 update concerning um londonia and other
1:17:50 work alhamdulillah
1:17:53 so what we're gonna do now which is like
1:17:54 the kind of final part of the day which
1:17:57 maybe even the longest part of the of
1:17:59 the life to be honest is actually take
1:18:01 some questions and answers
1:18:03 um myself i'm gonna be probably leaving
1:18:05 in the next 15 minutes or so because
1:18:07 it's almost two in the morning for me
1:18:09 and bilal as well it's going to be two
1:18:11 in the morning for him but i know he's a
1:18:12 bit of a nocturnal and nocturnal animal
1:18:15 as they say he's he he likes the night
1:18:18 uh but you know we'll have to give our
1:18:20 permission to leave soon
1:18:22 um but yeah so uh i let uh yusuf and
1:18:25 sabal take over with regards to managing
1:18:27 the questions
1:18:29 and let's hear from the people they
1:18:30 could ask questions on anything
1:18:32 concerning theological philosophy
1:18:34 concerning sapience concerning the
1:18:35 management concerning our compliance
1:18:37 concerning anything they want so
1:18:39 bismillah
1:18:45 yeah we've got a good first question
1:18:46 here um
1:18:48 so we've got someone who wants to be a
1:18:49 muslim
1:18:50 um by the sounds of it maybe they
1:18:53 are interested in it they come from a
1:18:54 non-muslim background if you could
1:18:56 make that clear as well that might be
1:18:57 interesting to hear about but um they're
1:18:58 saying they have doubts about god
1:19:00 uh god's existence because of evolution
1:19:04 uh so what to do with that uh brother
1:19:07 you're
1:19:08 obviously a go-to guy for this that's i
1:19:10 don't know if you want to begin with
1:19:11 that one yeah maybe
1:19:13 what i'd recommend them to do firstly
1:19:15 thank you for uh messaging us in terms
1:19:18 of this uh question
1:19:20 the first thing to realize is don't
1:19:21 listen to the popular noise the sort of
1:19:24 narrative that you get out there that
1:19:25 evolution is some sort of kryptonite
1:19:27 against theology is the kryptonite
1:19:29 against the design argument
1:19:31 this is really primitive stuff
1:19:33 um when we look at what academics are
1:19:35 actually saying and i'm not here talking
1:19:37 about academics who are christian or
1:19:39 inclined towards theology
1:19:41 i'm talking about even atheist academics
1:19:44 uh evolution does not undermine god's
1:19:46 existence i actually had a very
1:19:48 interesting discussion at the university
1:19:50 of birmingham with professor jeremy
1:19:52 pritchard in which we went over this in
1:19:55 some detail and this is something that
1:19:57 we both agreed about that evolution does
1:19:59 not undermine god's existence and that
1:20:01 is obviously for
1:20:03 not just the reason of the philosophy of
1:20:04 science but even if someone did not
1:20:06 refer to the philosophy of science but
1:20:08 actually just accepted science to
1:20:11 be the
1:20:12 you know something that leads to truth
1:20:14 it would still not undermine god's
1:20:16 existence and there's various uh reasons
1:20:18 for that that you'll find in this online
1:20:20 discussion uh just recently um i was
1:20:23 reading the book by
1:20:25 alistair mcgrath on darwinism and the
1:20:27 divine
1:20:31 okay be rated
1:20:32 um i don't i don't know what what that
1:20:35 was um
1:20:37 so uh darwinism and the divine um so
1:20:39 alistair mcgrath he basically wrote this
1:20:41 book and uh the book covers
1:20:45 the new atheist narrative
1:20:47 against god using evolution and he goes
1:20:51 on to show why that narrative is
1:20:53 actually nonsense you have people like
1:20:54 professor michael roos who actually is
1:20:58 himself a darwinist and an atheist
1:21:00 yet he actually agrees that darwin
1:21:03 darwinism does not undermine god's
1:21:05 existence that darwinism has nothing
1:21:08 essentially uh against um you know god
1:21:11 from that perspective now there's some
1:21:13 nuances um uh in terms of the creation
1:21:16 of uh adam peace be upon him and also to
1:21:19 do with a certain uh you know um how
1:21:22 much can be accepted within our theology
1:21:23 but those are irrelevant to god's
1:21:25 existence i think that that's the main
1:21:26 thing but if you could um get their
1:21:29 email address and they could put in the
1:21:30 private chat i can send them some
1:21:32 resources as well inshallah
1:21:34 yeah yeah so if you like you could just
1:21:36 send us an email um
1:21:38 to lighthouse sapienceinstitutes.org
1:21:42 and i can forward that to brother civil
1:21:44 um also if you want to have like a
1:21:45 one-to-one conversation i recommend
1:21:48 going and using the lighthouse service
1:21:49 so you could go to the website safely
1:21:51 institute.org
1:21:52 and then at the top there's a section
1:21:54 for request i think and there's
1:21:56 mentoring and then you just book a
1:21:58 session through the mentoring you can
1:21:59 have a one-to-one with one of us
1:22:01 um alternatively just go to
1:22:02 sapiences.org forward slash lighthouse
1:22:05 and then go through the process of
1:22:06 filling that in
1:22:07 and you can have a proper chat with us
1:22:08 but um i generally
1:22:11 have um like a nice easy way of dealing
1:22:13 with this as well i just say that
1:22:15 um so there's a number of things you've
1:22:17 got to understand first of all
1:22:19 oh yeah marshall is a good book
1:22:22 yeah so this is the book and i highly
1:22:24 recommend it i mean you won't even have
1:22:27 to go maybe 10 through the book before
1:22:29 you realize that their narrative
1:22:30 completely falls apart you know this
1:22:32 whole dichotomy of god versus evolution
1:22:34 right sorry
1:22:36 yeah so i was just going to say it's
1:22:37 like there's a bit of nuance that's
1:22:38 often missed out it's like for example
1:22:40 we believe we all came from adam
1:22:41 alaisalam
1:22:42 and obviously there's some very
1:22:44 obvious um distinctions between people
1:22:46 from you know people from africa to
1:22:49 scandinavia to you know the eastern
1:22:52 europe to south america and if we all
1:22:55 come from adam and we all look as
1:22:57 different as we do there must have been
1:22:58 some type of evolution that occurred
1:23:01 what we do not say is that adam
1:23:03 alaysalam was some sort of lesser human
1:23:05 or an animal or anything like that he
1:23:07 was um made fully formed
1:23:10 and when you look at the world in its
1:23:12 complexity and if if you can at least
1:23:15 concede to the fact that there is a god
1:23:17 for example and god could create
1:23:19 everything that you see around you then
1:23:21 is it that far-fetched to say that he
1:23:23 could also create a miraculous being
1:23:25 like adam alaihissalam um and that
1:23:28 obviously we would then confront him and
1:23:30 he could place him wherever he wanted in
1:23:31 that timeline that has nothing to say
1:23:33 about whatever occurs with anything else
1:23:35 um in on earth and how they develop and
1:23:39 x y and z because uh i think the quran
1:23:42 and the sun is is pretty silent on
1:23:44 everything other than the creation of
1:23:46 adam alaysalam um maybe with the
1:23:48 exception of a few other things but yes
1:23:50 it's it's not an issue if god does exist
1:23:52 and god is powerful enough and wise
1:23:54 enough and knowledgeable enough to be
1:23:55 able to create everything
1:23:57 then what's so farfetched about him also
1:23:59 creating adam alaysalam separately
1:24:01 uniquely um and so it's not an issue at
1:24:04 all um and i think it's something that
1:24:06 you could
1:24:07 really simply just put to one side um
1:24:10 without having to worry about it but
1:24:11 yeah so do get in touch with us if you
1:24:13 want to have like a further conversation
1:24:15 privately
1:24:16 you know what's very interesting is i
1:24:18 had a a seminar which was live on
1:24:21 sapience about a few hours ago
1:24:24 and it was with dr
1:24:25 chowdhury he's developed an argument
1:24:27 from called the argument from prior
1:24:29 cognitive input and he's based on the
1:24:32 quran
1:24:33 uh i think muhammad hijab would like
1:24:35 this actually it's based on the quran
1:24:38 al-baqarah verse 30 verses 30 to 33 when
1:24:42 allah says that you know he taught the
1:24:44 names of things to adam alaihissalam
1:24:46 and dr suffolk childhood
1:24:49 developed an argument called the
1:24:50 argument from prior cognitive input
1:24:52 because in order for human thought to
1:24:54 have thinking to have
1:24:57 uh thought to happen which is the
1:24:58 ability to make judgments on things you
1:25:00 need four necessary conditions one of
1:25:02 them is an external reality a a
1:25:05 senses that function a distinguishing
1:25:08 mind and you need prior cognitive input
1:25:10 and he makes a very powerful argument
1:25:12 concerning prior cognitive import he
1:25:14 says the possible explanations uh
1:25:17 naturalistic explanations fail such as
1:25:19 did it did that input come from a human
1:25:22 he talks about the infinite regress it
1:25:23 must be outside of that regress he talks
1:25:25 about
1:25:26 a non-human animal he talks about
1:25:28 inanimate object he talks about natural
1:25:29 selection and so on and talks about
1:25:31 chance and he concludes it must come
1:25:33 from a being that has a will that is
1:25:35 transcendent that is knowing omniscient
1:25:37 and so on and so forth
1:25:39 what we did i read his paper and i put
1:25:41 into a presentation former and i got him
1:25:43 to assess what i said and add more to it
1:25:45 and it was a phenomenal phenomenal um
1:25:48 exercise this is not directly related to
1:25:50 the question but the reason i'm
1:25:51 mentioning is because it's a new
1:25:52 powerful quranic based argument that's
1:25:55 quite robust
1:25:56 um and if people are interested uh the
1:25:59 usually when live streams go out there
1:26:02 they're ready on youtube in a couple of
1:26:03 hours so check on our on our youtube
1:26:06 page in the next couple of hours check
1:26:08 it tomorrow and you see me and dr
1:26:10 sufford chowdhury discussing this
1:26:12 argument and it's a very very powerful
1:26:14 argument and there's more that can be
1:26:16 expanded with it as well
1:26:17 um the reason i mentioned this because
1:26:19 you met you mentioned adam alaihissalam
1:26:21 and we mentioned
1:26:22 evolution and what's very interesting
1:26:24 one of the gaps of natural selection and
1:26:26 evolution according to this argument is
1:26:28 the kind of uh the original explanation
1:26:32 darwinian or naturalistic or
1:26:34 explanation that explains the the
1:26:37 necessity for the prior cognitive input
1:26:41 that is necessary for human beings to
1:26:43 have uh thinking in other words to be
1:26:46 able to form judgments about reality
1:26:48 it's quite powerful based on the quran
1:26:51 um and that paper should be coming out
1:26:53 very
1:26:54 relatively soon i think next year at
1:26:56 some point but anyway i thought i'd
1:26:57 mention that so check that seminar out i
1:26:59 think you really like it and that's
1:27:00 that's what we're going to do with
1:27:01 sapience
1:27:02 people who have got new great arguments
1:27:04 we bring them on our channel
1:27:06 you know i spent the morning going
1:27:08 through the paper put on a presentation
1:27:10 he came onto the seminar we discussed it
1:27:12 there were some questions
1:27:14 um and
1:27:16 and yeah so i think you'll enjoy that so
1:27:17 i just thought i wanted to just push
1:27:18 that because uh i think that's a worthy
1:27:20 seminar alhamdulillah which was just um
1:27:23 like it was live just a few hours ago
1:27:25 but yeah
1:27:27 this is a very good question from emma
1:27:29 that you produ you guys produce a lot of
1:27:31 content for a newbie where do you begin
1:27:33 uh who wants to take a crack at that
1:27:37 yeah so basically from a learning
1:27:38 platform perspective
1:27:40 uh we're going to be launching the
1:27:41 learning platform in december and
1:27:42 there's going to be three main courses
1:27:43 on that course number one is uh no doubt
1:27:46 ten effective strategies on how to do
1:27:48 with your doubts and the doubts of
1:27:49 others number two and destroying any
1:27:51 order but number two is awakening the
1:27:53 truth within the advanced our training
1:27:55 course and number three is the rules of
1:27:57 engagement you know the kind of ethics
1:27:59 and the in the the way to do munadara
1:28:03 according to the quran and the sunnah
1:28:05 logical fallacies critical thinking and
1:28:07 that was done by dr suffolk chaudhary so
1:28:09 what i would advise you to do is
1:28:12 from a dour perspective go to awakening
1:28:14 the truth within because it does build
1:28:16 you it talks about the need for thou the
1:28:17 necessity for the fick of dawah the
1:28:20 ethics of dao the characteristics of the
1:28:22 art
1:28:23 it goes for the metaphysical backdrop
1:28:25 concerning the fitra how to awaken the
1:28:27 fitrah rational arguments critical
1:28:29 thinking experience wildlife worthy of
1:28:32 worship different ways to uncloud the
1:28:34 fitra to direct the fitra so to allow
1:28:37 the fetal to direct itself towards the
1:28:39 truth
1:28:40 so that would be a good stop from a
1:28:41 dollar perspective however though there
1:28:44 is something that we're going to be
1:28:45 putting in place which is something that
1:28:46 even mohamed hijab mentioned last year i
1:28:48 believe
1:28:49 and he was even working on which was
1:28:51 what are the essential elements that you
1:28:53 required order for you to start getting
1:28:55 involved in this type of work and this
1:28:57 is not only based
1:28:59 from experience but also based on the
1:29:00 need to actually be adequately uh in
1:29:04 tune with islamic tradition so some
1:29:06 things include like you know a good
1:29:08 understanding of the basic of the five
1:29:10 pillars of islam the six pillars of iman
1:29:14 basic
1:29:15 and so on and so forth
1:29:17 we're going to have
1:29:18 hopefully in december further management
1:29:20 meeting discussions on
1:29:22 how we're going to be developing that if
1:29:23 we may outsource it or not or the need
1:29:25 to outsource it and what kind of things
1:29:27 we're going to be teaching them because
1:29:28 we appreciate there's a broad school of
1:29:31 you know the madahip and even credo
1:29:33 positions and so on and so forth so
1:29:35 there'll be some things that will have
1:29:36 to basically uh be sensitive and aware
1:29:39 of um but notwithstanding that's going
1:29:41 to be something that we're important
1:29:43 that we're going to be putting in place
1:29:44 hopefully insha'allah but specifically
1:29:47 for
1:29:47 duat and
1:29:49 there is a course that i've
1:29:51 asked the doctor suffolk charge to start
1:29:52 working on and also to lea i forgot i
1:29:55 think
1:29:56 previously i told him to liaison
1:29:58 if i didn't do yeah i actually should
1:30:00 remind him um is a course for the loom
1:30:03 graduates and also the graduates from
1:30:05 al-assad university and from medina and
1:30:08 elsewhere on how to it's very similar to
1:30:11 londoner but a little bit different
1:30:14 it's it's not like it's not like an
1:30:15 enemy poem and going for a commentary
1:30:18 it's literally a face-to-face course
1:30:20 that's based on notes and multiple
1:30:21 choice questions and examinations
1:30:23 on how do they basically take all of
1:30:25 that in knowledge that they have that
1:30:27 they already have
1:30:28 and apply in a contemporary sense based
1:30:30 on the theophilosophical context
1:30:33 and that's something that he's working
1:30:34 on he's going to be we're going to be
1:30:35 doing sure obviously and sharing with
1:30:37 the rest of the brothers as well
1:30:39 and that's going to be something because
1:30:40 a lot of
1:30:42 there is a sense that a lot of the
1:30:44 students of knowledge and the meshiach
1:30:46 they're like what do i do now i've spent
1:30:48 seven years in the ulum i've spent 10
1:30:50 years studying
1:30:52 you know how can i use this
1:30:54 this this book on arcader that i read or
1:30:56 this specialization that i have that's
1:30:58 based on maybe medieval or cake language
1:31:01 or
1:31:02 conceptualization how do i apply it in
1:31:04 the real world so it's more of the
1:31:07 bridging the gap
1:31:08 um and that's going to be something very
1:31:10 powerful and something that is much
1:31:11 needed because we have for example we
1:31:13 had our lung graduate you know speak to
1:31:16 us he was getting involved in rsc he
1:31:18 wanted to know how to address some of
1:31:19 these issues
1:31:21 and the way we try to empower them in
1:31:22 the lighthouse mentoring is we get them
1:31:24 to realize that they already have the
1:31:25 answers
1:31:26 it's not about us giving answers because
1:31:28 who are we it's about creating that in
1:31:30 the the environment of empowerment so
1:31:32 say look you have the answer but this is
1:31:34 how you could tweak a few things this
1:31:36 how you can understand a particular
1:31:37 context to apply it in the most
1:31:43 we we're going to appropriate something
1:31:44 as well but instead of being a newbie as
1:31:46 you're saying imag absolutely one thing
1:31:49 i would say is go when the platform
1:31:51 comes out in december go to the
1:31:53 awakening of the truth within but
1:31:54 there's also going to be something
1:31:55 coming out in sha allah if not we're not
1:31:58 if
1:31:59 if not doing it ourselves will direct
1:32:01 you to appropriate resources but i think
1:32:03 we should be we should do some of it
1:32:05 ourselves for sure and that's a
1:32:06 discussion we're gonna uh iron out
1:32:09 hopefully in december and take things
1:32:11 forward in charlotte
1:32:12 for her
1:32:19 neurons
1:32:24 in islamic
1:32:27 books there used to be something or
1:32:28 there was something called
1:32:31 which basically is the idea of an
1:32:33 intersex
1:32:36 person
1:32:38 so yeah it's not something we need to
1:32:40 argue against this acknowledged michelle
1:32:41 yeah
1:32:54 else you want to add to that hijab
1:32:58 is that the whole question right yeah so
1:33:00 the first part of the question was is
1:33:02 there something called intersex
1:33:04 so we said yes
1:33:06 it's called the
1:33:07 mushkil there's different kinds of
1:33:09 and uh
1:33:10 in books they call it
1:33:13 so it's like intersex that has
1:33:16 and there's all kinds of classifications
1:33:18 you know of of this uh honsa
1:33:22 and uh what is the argument against it
1:33:26 we don't need to argue against it why it
1:33:28 exists is there such a thing as
1:33:31 so
1:33:32 we don't disagree that human beings can
1:33:34 be born like that
1:33:38 bro you know i actually had a
1:33:39 conversation with my dad about this
1:33:41 and my dad was shocked
1:33:43 he was like it i think it changed his
1:33:45 paradigm on islam he was like what he
1:33:48 was like
1:33:49 this is so he said something like this
1:33:51 is great this is freedom
1:33:55 he said something like that so yeah i
1:33:57 was having a discussion because i was
1:33:58 trying to show to him that you know
1:34:00 we're talking about hierarchy we're
1:34:01 talking about all these modern issues um
1:34:04 as you do with greek parents right and
1:34:06 my sister was there and then this whole
1:34:08 thing on uh this category of
1:34:11 of of sexuality if you like or
1:34:14 disposition him up and i said yeah we
1:34:16 have a whole jurisprudence on this and
1:34:17 he's like whoa really it really was like
1:34:20 whoa it really like you know
1:34:22 so it's something very powerful to even
1:34:24 talk about you know the the the breadth
1:34:27 and depth of
1:34:28 the the thick
1:34:30 yeah but uh to be honest a lot of this
1:34:33 needs to be up like the first books need
1:34:35 to be updated on these issues it's one
1:34:37 of the things that
1:34:38 because the stuff that they define as a
1:34:40 hunter mushkil and and uh
1:34:43 like um
1:34:46 some some classifications that foca have
1:34:48 written down
1:34:49 some of them are very problematic
1:34:51 because they don't fall into the
1:34:53 the paradigm that modern day intersex
1:34:55 people would identify with
1:34:57 yeah and so
1:34:58 fatwas that come about as a result of it
1:35:01 uh are therefore not applicable to
1:35:03 intersex people
1:35:04 so
1:35:05 we need people to understand this
1:35:06 properly
1:35:07 like mushdahids to actually because this
1:35:10 is in a sense these are nawazil because
1:35:13 all
1:35:14 new matters that now we know more about
1:35:16 intersex people because of the
1:35:17 proliferation
1:35:18 or the um the increase in population
1:35:20 sizes and there's been way more intersex
1:35:23 people than ever else in
1:35:24 human history
1:35:25 so now that there needs to be a fukuha
1:35:29 actually need to go back and and
1:35:30 reassess some of the tower because some
1:35:32 of them are not applicable
1:35:34 that's a good point because classical
1:35:35 books
1:35:37 when when the reality changes it's not
1:35:39 necessary that you're changing quran
1:35:40 sunnah but you're basically reapplying
1:35:42 the quran on an unprecedented phenomenon
1:35:45 or an updated phenomenon
1:35:47 but in terms of the point i was trying
1:35:48 to make was from the from the 50 the
1:35:51 usury principle perspective when you
1:35:53 show the depth and that applicability of
1:35:56 islam just like what you just said which
1:35:57 is very powerful
1:35:58 that when situations change
1:36:01 uh the
1:36:03 dynamism of islamic law is so profound
1:36:06 and it's like well it can address things
1:36:08 like bitcoin it could address the man on
1:36:11 the moon it can address uh you know all
1:36:13 of these unprecedented future phenomena
1:36:16 uh because it has the ability to do that
1:36:18 has that kind of
1:36:19 flexibility if you like and if and it
1:36:21 has that legal framework that you can
1:36:23 actually answer questions today
1:36:25 yesterday and tomorrow
1:36:28 um and that sometimes could be very
1:36:29 powerful because i remember one person
1:36:31 he became muslim because of islamic
1:36:32 economics you know islamic macroeconomic
1:36:35 theory is phenomenal and he was like how
1:36:36 can a desert arab come up with this he
1:36:38 was shocked and he became muslim he
1:36:40 became muslim because of uh
1:36:42 islamic economics
1:36:46 all right so any other questions joseph
1:36:49 uh yeah there's loads
1:36:53 anyone anyway so yeah we are doing a
1:36:55 course on christiology with jake
1:36:58 um we've done some i've done a course
1:37:00 already and there's some material on the
1:37:02 website that i've produced and inshallah
1:37:04 there's going to be more as well uh so
1:37:05 the answer to that question is yes
1:37:07 um
1:37:08 and then there is another one
1:37:11 uh earlier today there was a live about
1:37:13 irrationality of atheism on safety
1:37:15 inshallah
1:37:16 so i'm guessing it you did that on
1:37:18 stream yeah didn't you
1:37:19 yes it's going to be yeah so yeah for
1:37:22 some reason streamia uh has a bit of a
1:37:24 lag sometimes and although the
1:37:26 livestream's already gone it doesn't
1:37:27 show up on the
1:37:29 videos section of the youtube channel
1:37:31 for maybe a day or so sometimes
1:37:33 uh so if you're just patient inshallah
1:37:35 it should uh
1:37:36 pop up
1:37:37 uh why not add an arabic tab on the
1:37:39 website since you're already translating
1:37:41 in arabic
1:37:43 but the hamza is probably directly um we
1:37:45 haven't actually started the arabic
1:37:47 translations yet but we've done we're
1:37:49 doing the arabic translation of the
1:37:50 awaking the truth within course the
1:37:52 advanced our training course
1:37:54 so sheikh abdullah mccarthy is actually
1:37:57 going to translate that course and
1:37:58 deliver that course and he's going to be
1:37:59 doing some snap thoughts videos in
1:38:01 arabic too
1:38:02 but in terms of direct translations we
1:38:04 haven't started that yet at the moment
1:38:06 we have spanish and turkish
1:38:08 bilal is also by the way our turkish
1:38:10 translator alhamdulillah
1:38:13 and we will be having arabic in the
1:38:15 future too
1:38:16 but that's going to grow probably next
1:38:18 year after ramadan because a lot of
1:38:19 these things you just have to realize it
1:38:21 requires time and when people give their
1:38:23 time
1:38:24 you need to fund that time so for
1:38:26 example with the translators that are
1:38:28 translating from the arabic to the
1:38:29 english you know that requires six
1:38:32 months of work to translate a book
1:38:33 that's nearly 200 000 words
1:38:36 uh and you have to check the references
1:38:38 and make sure it's accurate and you have
1:38:39 to have the background knowledge so this
1:38:41 is a lot of work so a lot of this would
1:38:42 actually require funding
1:38:44 um and especially if you wanted to get
1:38:46 it done properly and for it to be
1:38:48 checked and triple checked and ensured
1:38:49 that it's robust
1:38:51 so
1:38:51 the trans the translations of essays and
1:38:54 writings will come in the future
1:38:58 arabic content we have the arabic
1:39:01 sapience institute youtube channel and
1:39:03 we're going to have the arabic course on
1:39:06 the learning platform as well inshallah
1:39:10 what sources do you guys suggest when it
1:39:11 comes to learning arabic fosha
1:39:13 as nominally can be in a tv program a
1:39:16 good one
1:39:19 anyway i'm not aware of i'm aware of
1:39:21 normally khan's banana tv program i know
1:39:24 one brother or maybe a few brothers
1:39:26 or muslims that attended that even from
1:39:28 the uk
1:39:30 from what i've understood
1:39:32 they
1:39:33 uh
1:39:34 they had a very beneficial and positive
1:39:36 experience i haven't experienced it
1:39:38 myself
1:39:39 um so i wouldn't be able to
1:39:41 you know make with make much much of a
1:39:44 judgment
1:39:45 um
1:39:46 but in terms of learning arabic first
1:39:48 half which is classical arabic quranic
1:39:50 arabic there are a lot of online
1:39:52 programs available now alba do alva lag
1:39:55 academy do a good program
1:39:57 um
1:39:58 and you have various other programs that
1:40:00 you could engage with so you know
1:40:02 usually it depends on what their style
1:40:03 is some people focus a lot on grammar
1:40:05 first other people focus on vocabulary
1:40:08 the reason i'm mentioning this a lot is
1:40:09 because muhammad hijab sent me a voice
1:40:11 not telling me off
1:40:12 telling me that i have to step up my
1:40:14 game and stuff and and move forward with
1:40:17 arabic
1:40:18 so this is the reason i i'm i'm giving
1:40:21 myself the authority to talk about this
1:40:23 at the moment because hijab kicked me
1:40:24 right up the backside
1:40:26 alhamdulillah and that's one of the good
1:40:28 things with the brothers you know we
1:40:29 have that type of relationship we care
1:40:31 about the dawah uh and we have the
1:40:33 relationship where we're committed to
1:40:35 each other's well-being
1:40:36 um
1:40:37 and and that's very important and that's
1:40:39 and that's why i say to people
1:40:41 culture is far more important than
1:40:43 strategy sometimes you have the right
1:40:44 culture and a team
1:40:45 then you know
1:40:47 you know you're gonna achieve things so
1:40:49 and the culture is very important
1:40:51 so and the reason he said that because
1:40:52 of my further studies now that i'm
1:40:55 engaging in uh postgraduate work
1:40:57 concerning the quran and science and
1:40:59 he's like what's going on mate you need
1:41:00 to step up your game
1:41:02 it's alhamdulillah so that's why anyway
1:41:03 notwithstanding we have our beloved
1:41:05 brother fahetaslim i think he's on a
1:41:07 break he's actually delivering
1:41:09 the no doubt course in sacramento i
1:41:12 believe correct looking
1:41:13 masha allah so talk to us what you've
1:41:16 been doing you've been going all around
1:41:17 america bro you've been like flying
1:41:18 around buzzing around we need to get
1:41:20 your private jet bro
1:41:23 all right so so the breaks actually come
1:41:25 to an end people are already coming in
1:41:27 so just real quick um just wanted to
1:41:29 give my salam salaam alaikum
1:41:33 everyone that's part of the project
1:41:35 everyone who's watching uh we are in the
1:41:37 middle of a course like i said
1:41:38 everyone's coming back from master salah
1:41:40 um it's been a phenomenal course the
1:41:42 trip here has been phenomenal as well um
1:41:44 i think you know just from the
1:41:47 i don't know if you can see the people
1:41:48 kind of trickling back in
1:41:51 um but i think we had about a hundred
1:41:52 registrants for this particular uh no
1:41:54 doubt session and it's been like that uh
1:41:57 we went to delaware we did two sessions
1:41:59 in houston we have another one coming up
1:42:00 in chicago
1:42:02 one in maryland one in tennessee
1:42:04 and so it's going all over and i think
1:42:06 it's benefiting a lot of people in
1:42:08 charlotte so this is the um
1:42:10 some of the uh the fruits of
1:42:13 what people have been contributing
1:42:14 towards and some of the work that we've
1:42:16 been putting in in charlotte so i just
1:42:17 wanted to chime in i've actually got to
1:42:19 go now inshaallah but may i love you
1:42:22 success bro
1:42:23 i mean
1:42:25 welcome
1:42:26 yes
1:42:28 has been basically going up and down
1:42:29 america delivering the no doubt course
1:42:31 10 effective strategies on how to do
1:42:32 with your doubts and the doubts of
1:42:33 others
1:42:34 and as uh you know i mentioned this
1:42:36 earlier you should know that we have a
1:42:39 501c it's a registered charity in
1:42:41 america it's as we have sapience uh in
1:42:45 america now alhamdulillah
1:42:47 has been going up and down the country
1:42:49 and he's been liaising and doing a lot
1:42:51 of stakeholder relationship management
1:42:52 we don't want to reinvent the will if
1:42:54 you
1:42:55 remember what i said in the beginning of
1:42:56 today's presentation when i presented
1:42:58 the the the slides i spoke about health
1:43:01 check analysis if something is healthy
1:43:03 make dua for it support it directly
1:43:05 indirectly if it needs replication
1:43:06 replica if it doesn't then support it
1:43:09 indirectly and directly
1:43:11 also if something is unhealthy then make
1:43:13 it healthy use the correct means
1:43:14 possible to make the dou healthy and if
1:43:16 there is gaps in the dial then fill the
1:43:18 gap and that's why sapiens institute
1:43:20 wants to fill the gap with a specific
1:43:22 strategic focus which is basically to
1:43:24 educate and empower
1:43:26 um others on how to share and defend
1:43:29 some academic intellectually there isn't
1:43:30 an intense focus on this issue at the
1:43:32 moment and so we want to lead in that
1:43:34 and that's what we're doing the learning
1:43:35 platform the londoner the courses and we
1:43:38 also want to show how it's done as well
1:43:40 by us ourselves as duart as you know
1:43:43 academics as an institute to show how to
1:43:46 academically intellectually share islam
1:43:48 at the same time that's our strategic
1:43:50 focus and that is a gap that we want to
1:43:52 fill in the kind of english speaking and
1:43:54 other languages as well uh dower so
1:43:57 far has been working very hard and he's
1:43:59 actually writing the first half of the
1:44:00 book on doubts which is going to be
1:44:03 right in written format you know 10
1:44:05 effective strategies on how to deal with
1:44:07 your doubts and the doubts of others
1:44:09 alhamdulillah so may allah bless him
1:44:13 so any other questions guys
1:44:19 sorry mike muted uh there's some people
1:44:21 waiting in the back i could start
1:44:22 bringing them up if you like there was a
1:44:24 quick question about the bosnian book
1:44:26 it's been translated eighty percent
1:44:27 someone's translated it brother may
1:44:29 allah bless you and reward you immensely
1:44:30 for all of it but let me tell you this
1:44:32 story right sometimes because of what's
1:44:34 up in communication and miscommunication
1:44:37 i gave the authority for two different
1:44:39 uh brothers to translate in the bosnian
1:44:41 language
1:44:42 and i didn't i didn't realize and then
1:44:45 they both finished
1:44:46 and then it was it was a bit of a as you
1:44:49 could tell though it wasn't the easiest
1:44:50 way of trying to solve that problem now
1:44:53 it's already been done so
1:44:55 uh i'm assuming they're publishing it
1:44:57 very soon and one of them is from
1:45:00 montenegro i believe but they have the
1:45:01 same language and the other brothers are
1:45:03 based in bosnia i believe as well so
1:45:05 they have already translated the book my
1:45:07 beloved brother so if you've already
1:45:09 done 80 of it may allah bless you my
1:45:11 suggestion is this
1:45:13 is to complete the translation since you
1:45:15 only have 20 left
1:45:17 and share it with the brothers that have
1:45:18 translated the book already because they
1:45:20 would learn from your translation so you
1:45:22 get the reward because you you had the
1:45:24 right intention but also you empower
1:45:26 them in some way because they may learn
1:45:28 something from your translation and you
1:45:29 may have translated in a way that is far
1:45:31 better and they could use it as a
1:45:33 reference point um
1:45:35 or what you can do
1:45:37 but i would first suggest reaching out
1:45:39 to them first and asking for not
1:45:41 permission but asking for
1:45:43 to have consultation with them is
1:45:45 finishing it and make it to a free pdf
1:45:47 for people to download
1:45:49 uh but that's up to you brother and um
1:45:51 well i make it easy
1:45:53 and uh may allah make everything you do
1:45:55 a success and make your way very hard
1:45:57 skills i mean i mean i mean so we'll
1:46:00 bring the the first guest on r1
1:46:05 you need to own your microphone
1:46:08 after hey brothers
1:46:11 um
1:46:12 yeah so i have actually uh three
1:46:14 questions
1:46:17 um the first one is about free will i've
1:46:19 read uh mohammed hijab essay on sapience
1:46:22 institute
1:46:24 i just wanted to ask him actually um if
1:46:27 like the last answer to this topic would
1:46:29 be
1:46:30 just that we don't have any answer
1:46:33 to this specific question like
1:46:35 because i see a lot of brothers who give
1:46:37 example of the teacher and the students
1:46:39 and to be honest i see that it backfires
1:46:42 a lot so
1:46:43 it's like a really bad example to give
1:46:48 yeah so brother thank you for your
1:46:49 question we actually covered this
1:46:51 in the last couple of weeks
1:46:53 in quite some detail
1:46:55 even if you go to our live stream last
1:46:57 week and the week before
1:46:58 um so you can go onto my channel and
1:47:01 then if you go to the time stamps there
1:47:02 you'll find um
1:47:04 exactly you know a whole discussion on
1:47:07 this as well
1:47:09 all right sounds cool uh my second
1:47:11 question is about the dependency
1:47:13 argument and uh because there was an
1:47:15 atheist on thought adventure podcast
1:47:18 and he said basically like
1:47:20 like
1:47:21 what if the the contingent uh existence
1:47:24 is just co-dependent in itself and
1:47:26 doesn't really need like a necessary
1:47:27 being outside of the the universe
1:47:29 basically
1:47:31 and like you might say well if the
1:47:33 universe is composed by like from parts
1:47:36 then
1:47:37 it is like this possibility that there
1:47:39 are other universes
1:47:41 um
1:47:42 but the answer to that would be like why
1:47:44 do you assume that there are other
1:47:46 universes like
1:47:48 i'm not sure if that makes sense like
1:47:50 from the deterministic
1:47:52 like uh
1:47:53 world view
1:47:56 so what's the ques
1:47:58 yeah i don't really understand the
1:47:59 question what's this
1:48:01 are they saying that a
1:48:03 contingent thing made up of contingent
1:48:05 parts can still be necessary
1:48:07 that's what i took from what he said
1:48:10 yeah i mean
1:48:11 like why do we assume that there are
1:48:12 other possible words
1:48:15 if
1:48:16 if like the universe itself can be like
1:48:18 the parts of the universe itself can be
1:48:20 just codependents like
1:48:21 without uh
1:48:23 without the necessity of having like
1:48:25 this necessary being no because the
1:48:27 co-dependence itself we would argue
1:48:29 would be irrational so if it's simply
1:48:31 that you have contingent parts and
1:48:33 there's some sort of circular dependency
1:48:36 if that's what you're making a reference
1:48:37 to so a depends on b depends on c
1:48:39 depends on a
1:48:42 yeah basically yeah yeah so that would
1:48:44 be like the
1:48:45 you know the grandfather paradox it'd be
1:48:47 like saying that you have
1:48:49 a person
1:48:50 and
1:48:51 their existence is dependent
1:48:54 on
1:48:55 their grandson
1:48:57 existing
1:48:59 and so you have this issue it's like so
1:49:01 that you need the existence of a thing
1:49:04 before its existence in order for it to
1:49:07 exist
1:49:08 yeah
1:49:09 and notice that it's based on the
1:49:11 contingency principle right the it's
1:49:13 called the principle of dependency
1:49:16 and listen to this very carefully and
1:49:18 this always solves this problem it's a
1:49:20 one-liner
1:49:22 dependent parts
1:49:24 always make up dependent holes i repeat
1:49:27 contingent parts always make up
1:49:29 contingent holes
1:49:31 this is a key principle it's a
1:49:33 philosophical principle if someone
1:49:35 denies this
1:49:36 then they have a hell of a lot of of
1:49:39 philosophical work to do to try and
1:49:41 prove that principle wrong
1:49:43 dependent parts always make up dependent
1:49:46 holes whether it's a circle whether you
1:49:49 think it's codependent it's irrelevant
1:49:50 based on this principle
1:49:52 yes the way yusuf answered it is correct
1:49:54 of course but there's another way of
1:49:56 looking as well just focus on this
1:49:58 principle dependent parts
1:50:00 always make up dependent holes
1:50:03 and if for someone to reject that
1:50:04 principle
1:50:06 they would have to
1:50:07 the onus of proof is on them
1:50:09 yeah the only thing they could really
1:50:10 say to that as well would be the um
1:50:13 the fallacy of composition
1:50:15 so they would try to say that oh you're
1:50:18 you've committed the fallacy of
1:50:19 composition you're trying to infer
1:50:22 from the part to the whole now the the
1:50:24 question is is well
1:50:26 what makes something a fallacy of
1:50:28 composition and and generally it's
1:50:30 relative qualities so if you say
1:50:32 you know i'm making a wall out of small
1:50:35 bricks
1:50:36 so therefore the wall is small
1:50:38 the the the quality of being small is
1:50:40 itself
1:50:42 um relative so what might be a small
1:50:46 elephant might be a very large cat or a
1:50:49 very large mouse
1:50:50 and so because it the the quality is
1:50:53 relative then you can't make an
1:50:54 inference
1:50:55 from the part to the whole but when it
1:50:57 comes to things like dependence
1:50:59 dependence isn't a relative quality
1:51:02 so it's perfectly fine to make a an
1:51:05 inference from the part to the whole
1:51:06 with this particular quality because
1:51:08 it's it's not
1:51:09 relative in any form um and then
1:51:13 and with that as well
1:51:14 like the the bigger question if they
1:51:16 want to try to posit this as a
1:51:17 possibility is how having a collection
1:51:20 of contingent things gives rise to a
1:51:23 necessary existence
1:51:25 this is
1:51:26 like they can't just posit that it just
1:51:28 seems so bizarre to even suggest such a
1:51:31 thing if you have one laptop it requires
1:51:34 an explanation it's it's dependent on
1:51:36 things outside of itself 366 for its
1:51:39 existence you can have 100 you can have
1:51:41 a million you could have
1:51:43 an endless amount of them an infinite
1:51:45 amount all of them still require an
1:51:46 explanation outside of themselves beyond
1:51:49 the set of dependent things themselves
1:51:52 to explain their existence and just
1:51:54 saying that they're somehow independent
1:51:58 or interdependent
1:52:00 like it's not enough to bat away
1:52:03 um the need for some sort of explanation
1:52:06 outside of this set
1:52:08 um and it doesn't make any sense how
1:52:09 these things could be interdependent at
1:52:11 all really um
1:52:13 and you know when it comes to fallacies
1:52:15 you have to realize just because someone
1:52:16 says something is a fallacy don't don't
1:52:19 buy it
1:52:20 because you have to most fallacies are
1:52:22 applied you have to apply them
1:52:25 because in many contexts they're not
1:52:26 fallacious so there's a context that ad
1:52:28 hominem is fallacious
1:52:30 for example cussing the person and not
1:52:32 the argument right is fallacious because
1:52:35 you've got to do with his argument but
1:52:36 there are some scenarios where if the
1:52:38 person is a bad person an ad hominem is
1:52:41 a very good argument right
1:52:43 in in many cases and you could think of
1:52:45 many scenarios yeah so when this whole
1:52:48 thing when people start to say that you
1:52:50 have an error in reasoning because of
1:52:52 some hidden false assumptions or because
1:52:55 of
1:52:56 your your your first inference or the
1:53:00 the the
1:53:01 you haven't made a valid conclusion
1:53:04 be careful don't just say oh my god how
1:53:05 am i going to deal with this
1:53:07 apply it to the scenario and usually
1:53:09 you'll find out that actually it doesn't
1:53:11 make sense so in the case of
1:53:13 as yusuf rightly said uh the principle
1:53:16 dependency doesn't fall into the kind of
1:53:19 error of reasoning which is called the
1:53:21 fallacy of composition
1:53:23 uh because of exactly what you said and
1:53:25 i remember i think we did a webinar on
1:53:27 this and we we gave an example of
1:53:30 a brick wall so a brick wall is made of
1:53:33 the individual parts which are hard
1:53:35 therefore the wall is hard
1:53:38 now
1:53:39 that's not a fallacy the fallacy would
1:53:41 be if you're saying the persian rug is
1:53:44 made of individual threads and the
1:53:46 individual threads are light in weight
1:53:49 therefore the whole rug is light in
1:53:53 weight that would be fallacious because
1:53:54 some persian rug is extremely heavy
1:53:56 right especially the expensive ones
1:53:59 so that would be the fallacy at play
1:54:01 here so i just wanted to raise that
1:54:03 because sometimes in the tower someone
1:54:05 would throw these terms and even if you
1:54:08 don't know them don't worry just say
1:54:10 what do you mean give me an example
1:54:13 explain that to me and once they start
1:54:15 doing that say fine apply in this case
1:54:18 then you realize if this fallacy can be
1:54:21 applied or not in actual fight we're
1:54:23 going to deliver a webinar a seminar
1:54:25 hopefully when the learning platform
1:54:27 comes up it's going to be an
1:54:28 introduction to critical thinking
1:54:30 um
1:54:31 i'm
1:54:32 i'm going to
1:54:33 share the slides with yusuf because he's
1:54:35 got some really juicy material i saw in
1:54:37 on his laptop when he came
1:54:39 to the office that day so i'm going to
1:54:41 send him the slides i've done on
1:54:42 critical thinking and i'll get him to
1:54:44 expand it and maybe we'll do a double
1:54:47 double
1:54:47 would you want me to
1:54:55 whoever needs to leave just just slowly
1:54:57 drop uh you're a mute doctor
1:54:59 i think i think the guys that uh like
1:55:01 for bilal is like 25 past two in the
1:55:03 morning
1:55:06 i can't tell if he's frozen or if he's
1:55:07 just really tired
1:55:10 alhamdulillah i love the shoes
1:55:18 so
1:55:19 um
1:55:20 yeah yeah
1:55:21 so basically i think the i think the the
1:55:23 issue was the with the the example that
1:55:25 was given so the example was basically
1:55:28 uh the the choice between taking like a
1:55:30 hot chocolate and tea for example like
1:55:33 uh
1:55:34 iced tea or something like that and then
1:55:37 was this if i take hot chocolate it's
1:55:39 because it's hot and and i'm cold so i
1:55:41 need something hot
1:55:43 so
1:55:44 but the eighth year was like well you
1:55:46 can take the hot chocolate just because
1:55:48 you choose to you don't really have
1:55:50 you don't really need a reason why you
1:55:52 take
1:55:53 it could be just because you've chosen
1:55:55 to and that's it you don't really need
1:55:56 like a
1:55:57 uh an explanation to it so i think that
1:56:00 was his argument but i but what you said
1:56:02 totally makes sense i guess what's it
1:56:03 the
1:56:04 recent conversation with alex exactly
1:56:06 yeah you're going to be doing like a
1:56:08 review to it i think yeah sure you've
1:56:10 just messaged me now i'm so looking
1:56:11 forward to it
1:56:15 we're going to see if we can get the
1:56:16 other brothers on as well to do the
1:56:17 review um but at the moment
1:56:19 at minimum it's going to be me and um
1:56:21 sharif and we'll have a little
1:56:23 go over that conversation and and delve
1:56:25 into it in a lot more detail inshallah
1:56:27 but the the conversation itself went
1:56:28 really well i think
1:56:30 at some point he conceded to the the
1:56:32 existence of
1:56:34 some sort of necessary
1:56:35 which i don't think he's done in a
1:56:36 previous stream before so there was a
1:56:38 lot of progress it was made in that
1:56:39 conversation
1:56:40 yeah i think i think it was like one of
1:56:42 the live streams that i've watched like
1:56:44 for the four hours it was just so
1:56:46 yeah it was a big one at all yeah it was
1:56:49 amazing yeah i have one last question
1:56:51 and before that i just want to say to
1:56:52 muhammad i've read your article about
1:56:54 the the free will
1:56:56 the the essay and the la the last
1:56:58 paragraph was just
1:57:00 really touching when you said
1:57:02 like why people take this this father as
1:57:04 something that is limiting them and they
1:57:06 have issue with it when it's actually i
1:57:08 feel that it's protecting me so that was
1:57:10 like uh
1:57:12 yeah but
1:57:13 before that i just wanted to add
1:57:14 something i was muted before i um
1:57:17 couldn't say anything but i want to add
1:57:19 something on the fallacy of composition
1:57:21 that was mentioned before
1:57:23 which uh
1:57:26 i think
1:57:27 there's two ways i like to argue for
1:57:29 this
1:57:30 this uh you can argue for this
1:57:31 cosmologically and by that i mean with
1:57:33 reference to empirically understood
1:57:35 things
1:57:36 and or you could argue for this
1:57:37 ontologically
1:57:39 and the philosophy of religion
1:57:41 what i mean by ontology is that which
1:57:43 can be conceived of in the mind so like
1:57:45 abstractly i prioritize things like
1:57:47 mathematics etc
1:57:49 now if we go with the first one say for
1:57:51 example we say that
1:57:53 um
1:57:54 cosmologically
1:57:55 so the part to hold distinction
1:57:58 obviously
1:57:59 in order for someone to claim that
1:58:01 something is a fallacy of composition
1:58:03 someone has to have a perfect knowledge
1:58:04 of the whole for example in the example
1:58:07 of uh
1:58:08 the elephant is big but his parts are
1:58:10 small you know the elephant is big
1:58:13 and you know that this parts are small
1:58:16 the the problem with applying this to
1:58:18 the universe is that we don't know we
1:58:20 don't have a
1:58:21 we don't have a full knowledge of the
1:58:22 whole of the universe especially in
1:58:24 relation to what's outside of it
1:58:26 so that's that's the first issue the
1:58:28 second issue is this
1:58:30 is that we don't need to know because
1:58:32 what we are saying is
1:58:34 the argument from composition because we
1:58:37 are making an argument from composition
1:58:39 and the argument goes as follows
1:58:41 that anything that is made up of parts
1:58:43 is generated
1:58:45 anything that is made out of parts is
1:58:46 generated the universe is made out of
1:58:48 parts therefore the universe is
1:58:49 generated
1:58:50 anything that is made out of parts is
1:58:52 generated a multiverse
1:58:54 say an infinite multiverse is made out
1:58:56 of parts therefore
1:58:57 an infinite multiverse is generated and
1:59:00 you could put instead of the word
1:59:01 generate dependent and that's fine as
1:59:03 well
1:59:04 how do we defend that we say that look
1:59:07 if the part isn't there the whole isn't
1:59:08 there
1:59:09 and so
1:59:10 in in many ways
1:59:12 if you don't have
1:59:14 uh if you don't have universes you can't
1:59:16 have a multiverse
1:59:17 so in all because the construct of a
1:59:19 multiverse it wholly depends on
1:59:22 its constituent parts in order for it to
1:59:24 be meaningful
1:59:26 if it didn't have its constituent parts
1:59:29 then it wouldn't be meaning it wouldn't
1:59:30 be a meaningful construct
1:59:32 so it can be conceived therefore that it
1:59:34 can be re some things can be removed
1:59:36 from it and some things can be put onto
1:59:39 it
1:59:40 so that's the way i would argue for it
1:59:42 cosmologically ontologically i would say
1:59:46 that anything that could be conceived of
1:59:47 in another way
1:59:49 um is contingent that the universe can
1:59:52 be conceived of in another way therefore
1:59:53 the universe is contingent and putting
1:59:56 it in the context of a multiverse or an
1:59:57 infinite multiverse anything that can be
1:59:59 conceived of in another way is
2:00:01 contingent
2:00:03 a multiverse an infinite multiverse can
2:00:05 be conceived of in another way therefore
2:00:07 an infinite
2:00:08 multiverse is contingent
2:00:10 what do i mean by can be conceived of in
2:00:12 another way
2:00:13 i mean to say that no absurdity would
2:00:15 occur
2:00:16 uh if you remove or if you change
2:00:20 things which are in that universe slash
2:00:22 multiverse
2:00:23 and the quran indicates to this reality
2:00:25 when allah mentions
2:00:31 we have created you before that and you
2:00:32 earn anything
2:00:34 meaning
2:00:35 anything which is so we no absurdity
2:00:38 occurred when we didn't exist in the
2:00:41 form that we exist
2:00:43 and so
2:00:44 someone could argue well actually we
2:00:46 always existed in some energy form
2:00:49 but we're i'm not talking about some
2:00:50 energy form i'm talking because energy
2:00:52 cannot be created or destroyed
2:00:54 i'll say that in the form that i exist i
2:00:56 didn't exist 30 years ago as simple as
2:00:58 level 31 32 33 whatever 100 years ago
2:01:01 none of us in this stream exist
2:01:03 and so
2:01:05 the point is is that if you can imagine
2:01:07 taking something out of existence and
2:01:10 that no absurdity would occur then this
2:01:12 indicates the contingency of that
2:01:14 existence
2:01:15 obviously if something has a beginning
2:01:18 then that indicates contingency as well
2:01:20 because if something didn't
2:01:22 emerged
2:01:24 so
2:01:25 something which is necessary cannot be
2:01:27 necessary at some points but not be
2:01:29 necessary at other points because
2:01:31 necessity indicates internally although
2:01:34 eternality does not always indicate
2:01:36 necessity so two plus equals four is a
2:01:38 necessary fact
2:01:40 okay and that would mean to say that you
2:01:43 would assume that two plus two equals
2:01:45 four
2:01:46 is true past present and future
2:01:49 and so it's necessarily true and it's
2:01:50 eternally true
2:01:52 and so
2:01:54 if we apply these things to the universe
2:01:55 in the multiverse
2:01:57 it's just it cannot argue
2:01:59 you cannot argue that these things are
2:02:00 necessary and independent in those in
2:02:03 those in those ways
2:02:05 and uh and the fallacy of composition
2:02:07 therefore is not
2:02:09 a sufficient
2:02:10 uh response because even if we agree it
2:02:14 can be fallacious if understood
2:02:15 cosmologically
2:02:17 it you cannot argue against the
2:02:18 ontological reality
2:02:20 and you can even make this argument
2:02:22 mathematically you could say
2:02:23 that any set more than one
2:02:26 any set more than one
2:02:28 is contingent on its members in order to
2:02:30 is contingent on its members
2:02:33 an infinite set
2:02:35 is a set more than one therefore an
2:02:36 infinite set is contingent on its
2:02:37 members
2:02:38 so the multiverse idea
2:02:41 can can even be seen uh to be
2:02:43 mathematically incoherent
2:02:45 if if you want to say that something
2:02:47 which is uh
2:02:49 contingent can be something which is uh
2:02:52 necessary
2:02:54 something which is made out of parts and
2:02:55 or members because numbers are the
2:02:57 mathematical equivalent to parts in in
2:02:59 set theory format
2:03:00 so we can't say that
2:03:03 therefore
2:03:05 because
2:03:06 the the compositional value the the
2:03:08 fallacy of composition is really only
2:03:10 applicable to cosmological realities
2:03:12 but once we we transfer the situation to
2:03:14 ontology
2:03:16 then you have a double problem because
2:03:18 we've argued this point now
2:03:20 not just
2:03:22 uh
2:03:24 not just um
2:03:25 cosmologically but we can argue this
2:03:27 point on a priori grants
2:03:31 the only the only one thing one can do
2:03:33 is try to say
2:03:35 that actually uh
2:03:38 the universe can be considered cannot be
2:03:40 conceived of in another way
2:03:42 that it cannot be rearranged in another
2:03:44 way
2:03:45 that uh and what do we mean by that
2:03:48 of course it can be conceived of in
2:03:49 another way
2:03:50 if because
2:03:52 no logical absurdity absurdity would
2:03:54 occur if things were taken out of or put
2:03:57 into the universe which are also
2:03:59 contingent
2:04:00 so if things can be taken out of and put
2:04:02 into a universe which is
2:04:04 and no logical absurdity would occur
2:04:06 that would indicate that it's not
2:04:08 necessary that's the job is done
2:04:11 and the fact that the universe is one
2:04:13 way or not another
2:04:15 now if someone says as some do that what
2:04:17 about the laws of nature why can they
2:04:19 not be necessary
2:04:21 i say
2:04:22 that even if you say that the laws of
2:04:24 nature are necessary which is something
2:04:25 i don't agree with but let's just say
2:04:27 for the sake of argument
2:04:29 i don't see that as threatening
2:04:30 to
2:04:31 the postulation that there's a necessary
2:04:33 existence
2:04:34 because the category of fact
2:04:37 is different to the category of
2:04:38 existence
2:04:40 where in the latter there's only one
2:04:42 such existence and the former there can
2:04:44 be many such facts
2:04:45 and we don't we don't see an issue
2:04:47 because all these necessary facts
2:04:50 ultimately depend on and unnecessary
2:04:53 existence
2:04:54 that is because the category of
2:04:55 existence
2:04:57 it
2:04:57 is more foundational in the category of
2:04:59 facts because facts first have to exist
2:05:02 before they can be
2:05:03 so in the category of existence in fact
2:05:05 the most foundational category
2:05:07 of all transcendental categories that
2:05:10 can be envisaged
2:05:12 and so for that reason
2:05:14 if we can establish that there's only
2:05:15 one necessary existence
2:05:18 then
2:05:19 having necessary facts
2:05:20 doesn't do anything to
2:05:22 undermine that theory of thesis
2:05:25 or threaten it
2:05:27 so
2:05:28 um i don't think i don't see or think of
2:05:30 any other kind of interrogations that
2:05:32 can be made to the
2:05:34 contingency argument except for those
2:05:36 that i've mentioned
2:05:38 and it's simple without the parts the
2:05:40 whole cannot be
2:05:42 i mean the reason why i wouldn't put an
2:05:44 articulation that you know anything that
2:05:46 to be fair uh
2:05:48 um
2:05:49 also joshua rasmussen has exactly the
2:05:51 same articulation in his book uh how
2:05:54 reason
2:05:55 leads to god he said dependent parts
2:05:57 lead to dependent holes he said exactly
2:05:59 the same thing
2:06:00 but i know that these uh many of these
2:06:03 uh
2:06:04 unfaithful and belligerent atheists
2:06:06 would
2:06:07 jump on this as
2:06:09 this articulation as a um a way to try
2:06:12 and say fallacy of composition
2:06:14 so instead i would prefer myself i would
2:06:16 prefer to say something like
2:06:19 i was
2:06:20 say something like
2:06:22 that
2:06:22 anything that is made out of parts and
2:06:24 by that would mean something can be
2:06:25 detached or attached to something
2:06:27 because there's more than one
2:06:27 meteorological definition of the word
2:06:29 part
2:06:30 but let's say something which can be
2:06:31 attached attached to something
2:06:35 the removal of those parts
2:06:37 indicates the dependency of the thing
2:06:40 the removal or addition of those
2:06:42 parts indicate
2:06:44 a dependency of that thing and
2:06:46 dependency on what dependency on those
2:06:48 parts themselves because if those parts
2:06:49 are removed completely then the thing
2:06:51 ceases to exist and if it and if the
2:06:53 thing can cease to exist then they think
2:06:55 cannot be necessary so if it's
2:06:57 conceivable that
2:06:58 can't we can't we just say to them that
2:07:01 even if they try and
2:07:03 apply the fallacy of composition on the
2:07:06 dependency principle we could say to
2:07:08 them well it can't be applied because
2:07:10 the fallacy is not it's not a fallacy
2:07:12 that applies to every scenario you have
2:07:14 to give a specific example so you know
2:07:16 the distinction that yusuf made
2:07:20 between what do you say yusuf you call
2:07:21 it relational
2:07:25 you're mute
2:07:29 relative qualities so like when we're
2:07:31 talking about for example
2:07:33 um
2:07:35 the whether or not something is big or
2:07:37 small
2:07:39 that notion of bigness depends on what
2:07:41 you're talking about so a big
2:07:43 cat might be a small elephant
2:07:45 even though they're the same size what
2:07:47 about like colors
2:07:49 like if they say
2:07:51 red bricks red wool
2:07:54 for example yeah let's see
2:07:57 disparity is that what what do we why
2:08:00 the firing about relative what's
2:08:02 relative is only size
2:08:04 yeah so relative would just be like if
2:08:06 you change the the context of the thing
2:08:10 that the output could be different
2:08:13 um
2:08:14 so like for example if you're talking
2:08:16 about
2:08:17 color here color is also dependent on
2:08:20 things like lighting and things like
2:08:21 that so the individual bit brick might
2:08:24 be red
2:08:26 but then like when you
2:08:28 blow it up
2:08:29 to a huge scale the lighting might not
2:08:31 be the exact same obviously you're going
2:08:33 to be talking about
2:08:34 different uh distances and things like
2:08:36 that um
2:08:38 so it's it's not necessarily the case
2:08:41 i don't know because i think with the
2:08:42 quantum especially with quantum examples
2:08:45 they will be able to bring i'm not a
2:08:47 specialist on a quantum physics but they
2:08:50 may be able to bring non-relative uh
2:08:54 comparators
2:08:55 that undermine that general principle
2:08:58 that's uh i don't know it i don't know
2:09:00 it yet but
2:09:01 unless we think about all the
2:09:05 in the quantum reality there they could
2:09:07 even have interpretations that even the
2:09:08 laws of logic break down as well then
2:09:10 we're stuck
2:09:12 yeah so i don't know if i would use that
2:09:14 i would personally use what i said
2:09:16 because the thing is if as thou
2:09:22 s if it's conceivable that the part can
2:09:25 be removed then it can it's conceivable
2:09:27 that the hole can be removed hijab i was
2:09:30 very interested in your abstract objects
2:09:32 necessary facts issue so you're right in
2:09:35 philosophy
2:09:36 if something is necessary existing it
2:09:38 has to be eternal but it doesn't follow
2:09:40 that just because something is eternal
2:09:42 it's necessarily existing
2:09:44 but from the point of the islamic arcade
2:09:47 and this is something i actually haven't
2:09:48 gone into so i'm just literally just
2:09:50 trying to pick your brain here
2:09:52 the concept of
2:09:54 abstract objects
2:09:55 in metaphysics the concept of like
2:09:58 numbers num one plus one
2:10:00 is equal to two in every possible
2:10:02 universe
2:10:04 and that's like an eternal fact if you
2:10:06 like
2:10:07 how does not how does that not undermine
2:10:10 the islamic position of the only eternal
2:10:12 entity the only eternal thing if you
2:10:15 like
2:10:16 is allah subhanahu wa ta'ala
2:10:18 so
2:10:19 first of all that's not given
2:10:21 so different scholars have different
2:10:22 understandings of that
2:10:24 so what i can tell you was was more in
2:10:26 line with a conceptualist framework
2:10:29 so he would say something like two plus
2:10:30 two equals four
2:10:32 uh as being a truth is only the case in
2:10:34 someone's mind
2:10:38 it was like a psychologicalism or
2:10:40 something it was like
2:10:41 it's conceptualism
2:10:44 he would say that
2:10:45 it's it's
2:10:47 that's exactly what he actually said
2:10:49 this
2:10:50 is for example numbers and logic the
2:10:52 laws of logic all those abstract things
2:10:54 his idea was it's
2:10:58 in the mind and it's not in the uh outer
2:11:00 world
2:11:02 interestingly had a very gruffle seems
2:11:04 to believe that he was a nominalist
2:11:07 but it's a difficult position to hold
2:11:09 nevertheless
2:11:10 you could you could even interpret
2:11:12 al-ghazali as being somewhat of a
2:11:13 nominalist so in a sense two plus two
2:11:15 equals four doesn't even exist
2:11:17 and so you know many many of the islamic
2:11:20 thinkers scholars and uh alama
2:11:29 they would say that
2:11:30 two plus two equals four
2:11:32 is not it's not a thing it's something
2:11:35 you can only think about but it doesn't
2:11:37 exist and therefore to compare it as an
2:11:39 it's
2:11:40 as a shape as a thing that you could
2:11:42 compare with allah
2:11:44 is nonsensical in the first place
2:11:45 because it's not in
2:11:48 it's not out there in the real world
2:11:50 so two plus two equals four according to
2:11:52 ebentamia
2:11:53 and could be argued as well according to
2:11:55 gazali doesn't exist it simply doesn't
2:11:58 exist it just exists in the mind
2:12:00 at most
2:12:02 so they will say because it doesn't
2:12:03 exist in the real world in that sense uh
2:12:06 it's not a competitor to allah in his uh
2:12:10 in in his eternality
2:12:12 uh are there any scholars who ground
2:12:14 these uh
2:12:16 these facts
2:12:18 in the divine so there is some still
2:12:21 some type of dependency
2:12:23 and is there a discussion on
2:12:25 if you reject
2:12:27 uh like abstract objects or necessary
2:12:30 facts
2:12:32 then wouldn't that lead therefore that
2:12:34 key
2:12:34 logical facts
2:12:36 and logical principles actually
2:12:40 could be wrong they're just in the mind
2:12:41 and if they could be wrong
2:12:43 then
2:12:44 um it could be the case metaphysically
2:12:48 that something can exist and not exist
2:12:49 at the same time
2:12:50 because the law of contradiction is is
2:12:52 is a logical fact and if it's a logical
2:12:54 fact and you're just saying it's based
2:12:56 on your mind
2:12:58 then
2:12:59 and it's not in every possible world you
2:13:00 feel like it's not like you know a
2:13:01 necessary fact and that would lead to
2:13:03 other problems no
2:13:05 could do and that's a good argument
2:13:07 against ibn tamiya
2:13:08 uh
2:13:09 certainly and uh you know and uh
2:13:13 because i've been speaking to dr stuff
2:13:15 on this and he basically wants to make
2:13:17 the islamic intellectual apologetics
2:13:20 as metaphysically free as possible
2:13:23 because the minute you get into those
2:13:24 areas
2:13:26 because he argues i don't know if this
2:13:28 is true or not that most of the
2:13:30 would always look into the empirical
2:13:31 world in order to articulate they
2:13:33 weren't in paris as per say obviously
2:13:35 they had we had our own metaphysics but
2:13:37 um they would basically always look at
2:13:39 the empirical stuff as the quran
2:13:41 prostitutes have you not seen looking or
2:13:42 looking to the interconnecting
2:13:44 principles of nature then
2:13:46 try and be as metaphysically free as
2:13:48 possible because this is an area which
2:13:50 is very interesting and i think it needs
2:13:51 an answer
2:13:53 because
2:13:54 it could undermine the whole argument
2:13:56 itself
2:13:58 yeah but remember like you know
2:14:00 i feel like there's two sides of this
2:14:01 that's like can i ever be a platonist
2:14:04 and say that these things exist like
2:14:06 what this was a land of form somewhere
2:14:07 else and were the forms where two plus
2:14:09 two equals four exists in some form
2:14:12 you know and or you can take a anomalous
2:14:15 position where you're not saying it
2:14:17 doesn't exist you're just saying that
2:14:19 it doesn't exist as a universal category
2:14:21 or an abstract thing outside in the real
2:14:23 world
2:14:25 and it would tell me i was closer to the
2:14:27 numberless side he was probably a
2:14:28 conceptualist
2:14:30 that's probably what he was uh al
2:14:32 ghazali could be argued to be somewhere
2:14:34 near there as well even
2:14:36 like he was
2:14:37 close to that as well in many ways
2:14:39 um
2:14:40 and so it really depends on who you're
2:14:42 looking at and razi though he was making
2:14:43 arguments against him tamiya on this
2:14:45 point
2:14:47 and this is not a point of like oh
2:14:48 hadakira these are just
2:14:50 thinkers philosophizing yeah yeah that's
2:14:53 why i was asking because uh it's
2:14:54 something that i haven't gone into
2:14:56 uh yeah by the way
2:14:59 it's just his position
2:15:02 did you go gym today because the angle
2:15:04 here
2:15:05 it looks like you're chasing you
2:15:08 oh is it just the angle of the camera
2:15:12 because it's about to hit me in the face
2:15:14 [Laughter]
2:15:16 is muhammad chest possible in every
2:15:19 possible universe
2:15:23 i've gained too much weight man i've got
2:15:26 i don't know what the hell i'm doing i i
2:15:28 just
2:15:28 well you obviously don't have a problem
2:15:30 showing it bro
2:15:34 no i'm moving on to like 125 kilos
2:15:39 i don't know man
2:15:41 i've been i started fasting as well a
2:15:43 little bit
2:15:45 no i'm like more like 120 kilos on 121
2:15:51 i rescued myself before i get to like
2:15:53 125. hi bibi we need you healthy we need
2:15:55 you healthy bro
2:15:57 i know but you know
2:15:59 okay so uh there's many many other
2:16:00 people listen guys it's almost 3 a.m for
2:16:03 me um and i have like a
2:16:06 eight-hour
2:16:07 question
2:16:08 do you see that what i said about the
2:16:10 about the parts and holes does that make
2:16:11 sense to you yeah i think i liked it
2:16:13 because what you're trying to do you i
2:16:14 know because you're you're a strategic
2:16:16 thinker so what you're trying to do is
2:16:18 bypass
2:16:20 any counter argument from
2:16:22 any any domain of knowledge whether it's
2:16:24 the quantum or whatever the case may be
2:16:26 i still think
2:16:28 yusuf and my perspective can work
2:16:30 uh but you just have to do more work
2:16:32 that's it but your one is like you know
2:16:34 what i want to bypass all of that
2:16:36 let me summarize the position and made
2:16:38 in cosmological terms in one sentence
2:16:40 and tell me what
2:16:42 yeah
2:16:43 if it can be imagined that the thing can
2:16:45 be taken apart to a point of
2:16:46 non-existence and the thing cannot be
2:16:48 necessary
2:16:50 for example
2:16:51 these beads right here yeah
2:16:54 these beads right here
2:16:56 now there's 33 beads on this thing
2:16:59 okay
2:17:00 now if someone says this thing is uh
2:17:03 necessary
2:17:04 i'll say but can it be imagined it's
2:17:06 made out of 33 beads if i take one bead
2:17:08 up second bead third bead like keep
2:17:10 taking them out
2:17:12 and by part i mean something which can
2:17:14 be attached or detached
2:17:16 if it can be imagined that the thing can
2:17:18 be the parts can be taken out to a point
2:17:20 of non-existence
2:17:22 then it's impossible for me to call
2:17:24 this
2:17:25 thing necessary
2:17:27 because it can if it's necessary there's
2:17:29 no point in time where it cannot exist
2:17:31 yeah so applying that
2:17:33 um
2:17:34 to the the universe for example yeah we
2:17:37 can see that its parts do come out of
2:17:40 existence and come back into existence
2:17:41 et cetera and so if that is the case if
2:17:44 you can remove a power off it then the
2:17:45 hole can't be necessary that's that's
2:17:47 what i'm saying yeah right exactly
2:17:49 if we say to a multiverse if we have
2:17:51 like let's say
2:17:52 a hundred billion multiverses but if it
2:17:55 can be imagined that you can take one
2:17:56 out then the second third fourth
2:17:59 up until whatever then that the
2:18:01 multiverse is not it cannot be necessary
2:18:04 yeah even if it was an infinite amount
2:18:05 if you take out bit by bit by a bit and
2:18:07 it can be imagined that the removal of
2:18:09 parts
2:18:11 the the systematic removal of parts can
2:18:13 terminate in its non-existence
2:18:16 if that's conceivable then that thing
2:18:19 cannot be necessary by definition
2:18:21 because it depends on those parts i
2:18:23 totally agree it's nice but i think
2:18:24 you're you're you're logically mirroring
2:18:27 exactly the dependency principle
2:18:29 yeah but i'm doing the
2:18:30 other way around
2:18:32 yeah but it's the same thing so for
2:18:34 example uh
2:18:35 yeah if if
2:18:37 if all the parts were necessary inverted
2:18:40 commas you wouldn't be able to remove
2:18:42 them because they couldn't be otherwise
2:18:44 it's impossible for them not to not to
2:18:45 exist right
2:18:48 so
2:18:49 the dependency principle is dependent
2:18:52 parts make up dependent holes
2:18:54 because the the logical mirror of that
2:18:56 is
2:18:57 that
2:18:58 uh
2:19:00 yeah i think i've confused myself but
2:19:01 basically what it sounds like is that
2:19:03 you're just mirroring
2:19:04 the dependency principle does that make
2:19:06 sense but in the other way around
2:19:10 i totally understand what you're saying
2:19:12 the only thing is i
2:19:13 yeah like you said i just don't want
2:19:15 them to come back and say well you're
2:19:16 doing the fallacy of composition like
2:19:18 what i think the dependency principle
2:19:20 was designed to bypass the fallacy the
2:19:23 the fallacy as well
2:19:25 that's that was the point because for
2:19:27 them to do that they have to basically
2:19:30 um you know
2:19:31 deny something that is self-evidently
2:19:34 true and there will be a lot of owners
2:19:35 of them by the way i totally agree with
2:19:37 what you're saying i just i'm just
2:19:39 thinking of it like i'm thinking of
2:19:40 myself in the debate and oh yeah and i
2:19:42 agree and this is
2:19:44 talking like a coffee shop now
2:19:45 absolutely no i i totally agree um okay
2:19:49 that's brilliant did you mention this
2:19:50 you mentioned this in the burhanya
2:19:52 in your book forthcoming yeah i
2:19:54 mentioned what i just said to you guys
2:19:56 now in the book
2:19:58 okay brilliant that's very good that's
2:20:00 really
2:20:01 and did you talk about the
2:20:03 uh
2:20:04 the the
2:20:05 eternal logical facts or abstract
2:20:08 objects
2:20:09 yeah yeah i mentioned that ah that's
2:20:11 brilliant that's brilliant
2:20:13 that's brilliant
2:20:15 um
2:20:16 when i'm when we're going to read it
2:20:17 review it and get it ready
2:20:19 i sent it to you
2:20:21 [Laughter]
2:20:28 already i mean in the final form in the
2:20:31 final form
2:20:33 your final form
2:20:37 no final say there didn't work
2:20:40 you're going to get feedback on it right
2:20:42 yeah
2:20:43 yeah yeah so obviously you're going to
2:20:44 incorporate some of the feedback so then
2:20:46 we'll read it then inshallah properly
2:20:48 handle that's really good any chance of
2:20:50 you putting it into the little group
2:20:51 chat i had like a little sneak preview
2:20:54 of that inshallah
2:20:55 yeah we've got the sapiens group
2:20:56 absolutely we do we do a wider review no
2:20:59 problem
2:21:00 um
2:21:02 okay so listen guys i'm gonna go it's
2:21:04 like
2:21:05 nine minutes to three in the morning for
2:21:07 me
2:21:08 okay
2:21:10 every single one of you
2:21:12 you're more than welcome to take your
2:21:14 questions
2:21:15 um oh wait wait wait wait wait we have
2:21:18 we got yasa al hanifi here chef we have
2:21:21 to bring him on board i'm gonna bring
2:21:22 him on
2:21:24 can i just make a comment about the well
2:21:28 there's a chef coming but you have to be
2:21:29 patient yeah okay
2:21:31 you had two or three questions so mute
2:21:33 yourself just for ten minutes may not
2:21:34 bless you
2:21:35 i was just gonna say
2:21:37 um because we've got quite a lot of
2:21:38 people on in the back you've already
2:21:40 asked two questions would you mind if if
2:21:41 you'd like to ask more maybe you try to
2:21:44 book a lighthouse session insha'allah
2:21:45 and
2:21:46 you can have like a one-to-one with
2:21:47 someone uh just to sort of make it a bit
2:21:49 even and allow other people
2:21:51 would you rather yeah
2:22:02 not to bring the personal stuff out in
2:22:04 the open but i know you've been calling
2:22:06 me consistently i do apologize
2:22:09 uh i have been kind of traveling and
2:22:11 there's been other bits and pieces going
2:22:13 on
2:22:13 my intention i think i even had it in my
2:22:16 notes to call you did i
2:22:18 and so please forgive me chef i'm
2:22:35 i i i usually sleep at 10 o'clock so
2:22:38 uh my voice is a bit croaky but when i
2:22:40 when i heard your holasa and your
2:22:42 synopsis of the work that's been doing i
2:22:44 said i have to join and i have to say
2:22:46 jazakumullah to all you brothers
2:22:48 and i will
2:23:04 what you're doing just a quick question
2:23:06 uh if if i may
2:23:08 i've been uh
2:23:10 i've been thinking about this recently
2:23:12 you know the uh
2:23:14 theological argument namely the argument
2:23:16 from design
2:23:19 so
2:23:20 so what i've learned from my teachers
2:23:21 and from my limited reading
2:23:24 usually this argument uh of of of design
2:23:27 is
2:23:28 mainly used
2:23:30 in the cipher of erada for example
2:23:33 so when it comes to the
2:23:35 subhanahu ta'ala's qualitative
2:23:37 attributes
2:23:38 they usually use this argument very
2:23:40 briefly when it comes to radha so allah
2:23:42 subhanahu wa ta'ala having a will
2:23:45 and he's him being a murid they use the
2:23:47 argument that look here he's a
2:23:49 particularize he's
2:23:50 done the seas of the look in this way
2:23:53 and there are many other ways where the
2:23:54 creation could have been created however
2:23:56 i'm seeing this argument now being used
2:23:59 as the main argument for allah's
2:24:01 existence
2:24:03 so so
2:24:05 i mean
2:24:06 can somebody explain to me you know why
2:24:08 why an argument which in the classical
2:24:10 theology was only used
2:24:13 or maybe uh as a secondary argument in
2:24:16 in in a sifa of allah
2:24:18 now being used as as a main argument for
2:24:21 the existence of allah
2:24:22 this is the question is it is the
2:24:24 question clear is the question
2:24:26 i think so if i would
2:24:28 yeah
2:24:31 and
2:24:32 my my postulation is and i will also
2:24:33 want you to correct me if i if my ideas
2:24:36 about this is wrong
2:24:37 i spoke to one of my teachers
2:24:39 so he said this and he wasn't sure he
2:24:41 was a conjecture he was this is it i
2:24:42 think is this
2:24:44 that the new uh
2:24:45 there's a group of uh who are
2:24:49 proponents of
2:24:50 jadit
2:24:52 uh
2:24:52 the new dialectical theology and some
2:24:55 people say the person behind is
2:24:56 shibuyama and he's got booked
2:24:59 and they were influenced by empiricism
2:25:02 namely john locke
2:25:05 and uh khan for example
2:25:07 uh so so so these guys were influenced
2:25:10 by them
2:25:11 and because they believe in uh you're
2:25:13 clean to be in only an empirical data
2:25:15 and they sort of they they reject your
2:25:18 team for rationalism
2:25:19 therefore they use the design argument
2:25:22 because in the design argument you know
2:25:24 this and criticism
2:25:25 and it's not entirely abstract like the
2:25:28 uh burhani totalbeak and you have the
2:25:30 uh you know both of the salsa in the
2:25:33 classical cosmological argument in in
2:25:35 kalam so because of this they've shifted
2:25:37 towards the
2:25:38 design argument
2:25:40 this this is this is what i heard from
2:25:41 one of my teachers and i didn't say
2:25:42 anything because i don't know myself but
2:25:43 you guys because i've heard this
2:25:45 argument from one of you brothers too
2:25:47 and uh and some of the academics they
2:25:49 they're putting forward this design
2:25:50 argument as though this is the main
2:25:52 argument or one of the main arguments
2:25:54 for allah's existence
2:25:57 right let me just there's a few things
2:25:59 you said i want to do one by one because
2:26:01 i might forget
2:26:03 the first issue of a taxis or
2:26:05 specification or particularization being
2:26:07 used as a main argument
2:26:10 in terms of the western academy and the
2:26:11 philosophy of religion it's not like
2:26:13 taxis is almost
2:26:15 completely absent in the discussion
2:26:17 especially used apologetically to try
2:26:19 and prove god's existence
2:26:21 what's used instead is
2:26:23 kind of types of teleological or
2:26:25 fine-tuning arguments which are
2:26:27 different
2:26:28 because as you mentioned this
2:26:29 was meant by
2:26:31 the ashara and other people who used
2:26:33 them uh in this argument as a means to
2:26:35 try and prove allah subhanahu wa
2:26:37 ta'ala's um
2:26:40 as as
2:26:41 his
2:26:42 will
2:26:44 so this is classically how bakulan uses
2:26:46 it and
2:26:52 so it's not it's
2:26:53 not something which is
2:26:55 it's something which is uh
2:26:57 something i mean supplementary rather
2:26:59 than
2:27:01 lee and that we've got
2:27:03 and in terms of the fine-tuning
2:27:04 arguments or teleological arguments
2:27:06 usually the way like there's a few
2:27:09 scholars out there that
2:27:10 make the argument
2:27:13 to be honest
2:27:14 what i don't like and i think the whole
2:27:16 sapiens and this is we i mean hamza
2:27:18 sauces has done some really good work on
2:27:20 this and i believe rightfully so ahmed
2:27:23 as well
2:27:24 is to show the courage ability
2:27:27 and
2:27:28 of science and you know the under
2:27:30 determination
2:27:31 the theory ladenness and all these kind
2:27:33 of things as a result of all of that if
2:27:36 one
2:27:37 if we're if we're saying all of these
2:27:38 things especially in the context of
2:27:40 darwinian evolution
2:27:42 then
2:27:43 in baba ola we say the same thing with
2:27:44 physics
2:27:45 because physics is more volatile than
2:27:47 biology even more you could argue yeah
2:27:49 and it's arguable but it's even more
2:27:51 volatile than it's way more volatile so
2:27:53 to use
2:27:54 as because in the academy now what they
2:27:56 do with the fine-tuning argument
2:27:58 is they they'll basically get the
2:27:59 constants so you have like for example
2:28:02 the electromagnetic constant yeah or you
2:28:04 have the gravitational constant yeah
2:28:07 um and and they'll say that these these
2:28:09 constants are finally tuned the problem
2:28:12 with using the constants is that what if
2:28:14 someone revises those what if someone
2:28:16 says there is no such thing as the
2:28:18 electromagnetic constant what if someone
2:28:20 if
2:28:21 someone develops a theory
2:28:24 that a theory of everything which which
2:28:27 bridges between
2:28:28 quantum mechanics and macro physics
2:28:31 which
2:28:32 renders what is referred to as the
2:28:33 electromagnetic constant
2:28:36 or the gravitational constant as
2:28:39 meaningless
2:28:41 meaningless things or things which don't
2:28:43 have any value
2:28:45 in this case
2:28:46 i i'm not going to say all of the
2:28:48 fine-tuning argument becomes undermined
2:28:50 because it wouldn't be because that's
2:28:51 not the whole it's not the entirety of
2:28:53 the fine-tuning argument especially not
2:28:55 how
2:28:55 a lot of people make it but much of it
2:28:57 will be on the mind
2:28:59 and why should we put them in a position
2:29:01 the
2:29:02 the hassam or the motorcycle
2:29:04 whoever they're the skeptic why should
2:29:06 we put them in a position where they can
2:29:09 use uh
2:29:10 scientific data which is changing
2:29:12 against us in any argument
2:29:14 uh so we go back to the quran the quran
2:29:16 when it makes this argument
2:29:18 you know allah
2:29:35 that he is the one who perfected
2:29:36 everything
2:29:37 it is
2:29:39 the quran is indicating the uniformity
2:29:41 and the stability and the regularity of
2:29:43 nature that's why
2:29:45 there's no gaps meaning allah has made
2:29:49 the creation stable uniform and
2:29:51 predictable
2:29:52 this bottle
2:29:53 or
2:29:55 this uh
2:29:57 i don't know this this watch is not
2:29:58 blowing up right now
2:30:00 you see this watch that i'm wearing it's
2:30:01 not blowing up in my face right now it's
2:30:03 not blowing up
2:30:04 now the fact that the watch is not
2:30:06 blowing up now
2:30:08 and that it won't blow up in the next
2:30:09 five minutes or two minutes or one
2:30:11 minute
2:30:12 and that would then blow up in the last
2:30:13 minute
2:30:14 that's a presupposition of science
2:30:16 that's why because stability regularity
2:30:20 and predictability is something you need
2:30:22 in order to do science rather than
2:30:24 something you discover from it this is
2:30:26 the argument made by john holden by the
2:30:27 way uh h a l d and e
2:30:30 and he was in a back and forth with one
2:30:32 of
2:30:33 the
2:30:34 atheists in one of the books i read
2:30:36 and so
2:30:37 regularity stability and uniformity
2:30:40 okay are things which you need in order
2:30:41 to do science it's not something you
2:30:43 discover through science and so if you
2:30:45 make the argument using terms like this
2:30:48 it's way more foolproof than mentioning
2:30:51 the electromagnetic constant or the
2:30:53 gravitational constant which at best
2:30:55 should be used as supplementary pieces
2:30:57 of information
2:30:59 and that was maybe should not be used at
2:31:01 all because once again we don't know if
2:31:02 this things are going to change because
2:31:04 science really is volatile like it
2:31:06 really if you look at the history of it
2:31:08 well like the more you look at it the
2:31:09 more you realize this
2:31:10 it's not it sounds a really powerful
2:31:12 argument and christopher hitchens he
2:31:14 said it's the most powerful argument and
2:31:16 so therefore some theists are so eager
2:31:18 to use it because
2:31:20 he hitchens uh gave it the stamp of his
2:31:22 approval but hitchens is a slob he
2:31:24 doesn't have anything to do
2:31:35 if anyone wants to use an argument it
2:31:37 has to be conceptualized properly
2:31:39 and it has to be done in a way that
2:31:42 is is not your main argument it should
2:31:44 be supportive at best but i think i like
2:31:46 what you said about one of the
2:31:48 assumptions in the philosophy of science
2:31:51 the assumptions of science is that the
2:31:53 uniformity of nature
2:31:55 meaning
2:31:58 that nature's uniform they need this
2:32:00 assumption in order for to have any any
2:32:03 positive knowledge in science
2:32:06 for example when you have a
2:32:07 well-confirmed theory that is successful
2:32:09 has predictive power and so on and so
2:32:11 forth has a lot of confirmations and
2:32:13 proof of confirmations
2:32:14 they say that a well-confirmed theory
2:32:18 is can be applied to all of the
2:32:20 phenomena that he addresses
2:32:22 but theories by virtue of the limited
2:32:25 observations that they have the
2:32:26 limitative confirmations that they have
2:32:28 they cannot address all of the phenomena
2:32:30 right for example take the design
2:32:31 mechanism that when a mechanism deals
2:32:33 with evolution evolution means
2:32:35 biological change and the darwinian
2:32:37 mechanism is supposed to explain
2:32:39 biological change
2:32:40 now base and say and they say that the
2:32:43 dominant mechanism is well confirmed has
2:32:45 empirical confirmations and it has and
2:32:47 it has predictive power so they conclude
2:32:50 based on the assumption that nature is
2:32:51 uniform therefore the darwinian
2:32:54 mechanism is an explanation for all of
2:32:56 biological change but they haven't
2:32:58 observed autopilot to change biological
2:33:00 change they haven't even observed 90 of
2:33:02 the oceans for example or species that
2:33:05 used to exist or not exist anymore
2:33:07 if you they didn't have this assumption
2:33:09 that nature is uniform you can never
2:33:12 have positive knowledge in science you
2:33:15 can never say the darwinian mechanism
2:33:17 explains biological change in totality
2:33:20 all you could say is it only explains
2:33:22 that which we have observed directly
2:33:24 nothing else and we can't make a a a
2:33:27 further inference
2:33:30 you can use that you could say to them
2:33:32 that your assumption in science oh
2:33:34 atheist oh darwinian your assumption
2:33:37 which is that nature is uniform
2:33:39 where does this uniform uniformity come
2:33:41 from the very exactly yeah
2:33:44 yeah yeah do not can i add to that
2:33:48 so so i just wanted to echo what you
2:33:50 said i agree i i think i wrote i wrote
2:33:53 about this in my book as well and i did
2:33:55 make the context that this is a
2:33:58 supplementary argument
2:34:00 um and
2:34:01 the way i try to do it was is things
2:34:04 that are very unlikely gonna change like
2:34:06 there are some things like you know when
2:34:07 we talk about science we have to be
2:34:09 careful
2:34:10 yes there's the problem of induction
2:34:11 there's theory ladies there's under
2:34:13 determination and so on and so forth
2:34:16 we need to be very careful because it
2:34:17 can have some contradictions with our
2:34:19 own epistemological paradigm as well
2:34:21 you know are we are we going to say that
2:34:24 germ theory is going to change in the
2:34:25 future this is almost highly unlikely
2:34:29 it's like
2:34:30 it to be honest you could you need to be
2:34:32 consistent because if we say like oh
2:34:34 theory
2:34:35 we're not going to accept germ theory
2:34:37 because of the philosophy of science but
2:34:40 it's so well confirmed to reject it
2:34:42 could be epistemologically equivalent of
2:34:44 rejecting sahih hadith
2:34:46 honestly yeah so we have to be a bit
2:34:49 careful
2:34:50 um so
2:34:51 although generally speaking yes well
2:34:53 confirm theories
2:34:55 uh you know can still change this is
2:34:57 part of the philosophy of science for
2:34:58 sure absolutely
2:35:01 but there are some areas and it's very
2:35:02 few it's not everything there are some
2:35:04 areas we have to be careful about we
2:35:06 can't say everything
2:35:09 is going to be taken from a skeptical
2:35:11 perspective or were instrumentalists
2:35:12 about everything some things i'm not
2:35:15 saying we have to be realist but some
2:35:16 things we have to say you know what
2:35:18 uh we can't necessarily reject because
2:35:20 you may even have theological
2:35:22 implications based on our own
2:35:23 epistemology right like knowing who's
2:35:24 going to reject germ theory
2:35:26 um
2:35:27 you know so so yeah
2:35:29 yeah so i was going to say if
2:35:32 on that point
2:35:33 you know the way that craig for example
2:35:36 and
2:35:36 there's i think there's nothing collins
2:35:38 he's probably the one that's most loud
2:35:40 in the academy doing this uh
2:35:42 this fine-tuning stuff but craig because
2:35:44 he's popular online he makes the
2:35:46 argument that you know the the universe
2:35:48 is fine-tuned for human life or for any
2:35:50 life
2:35:51 that can either be through design it
2:35:53 could be from necessity it could be
2:35:54 through chance it can't be through
2:35:56 necessity it can't be through necessity
2:35:58 and it can't be through uh chance
2:36:00 therefore must be through design that's
2:36:02 that's classically how the thing is the
2:36:04 argument is made i don't think there's
2:36:06 there's two uh things i would do to
2:36:09 change this argument number one
2:36:12 yeah the the universe is fine tuned for
2:36:14 life true agreed
2:36:16 now how he comes to establish that i
2:36:18 change it instead of saying
2:36:20 it's through the electromagnetic
2:36:22 and you know all these things that you
2:36:24 know the constants all these constants
2:36:26 gravitational constants instead of using
2:36:28 that i will say in so much as it's
2:36:30 uniform regular and stable so it's
2:36:32 uniformity regularity and stability
2:36:35 is
2:36:36 as such that it allows life to exist
2:36:38 number one instead of saying because
2:36:40 what's the point of mentioning all these
2:36:42 constants which can change the second
2:36:44 thing which she says for example it can
2:36:46 either be through it can either be
2:36:48 through necessity or it can either be
2:36:50 through necessity or it can be through
2:36:53 design or chance
2:36:56 the i would say that necessity is not a
2:36:58 threat
2:37:00 to it being from design
2:37:02 and in fact when i spoke to alistair
2:37:03 mcgrath funnily enough you talk about
2:37:04 less mcgraw today i told him this i had
2:37:07 a conversation with him i said
2:37:08 why does it have it seems like a false
2:37:10 trichotomy
2:37:11 because when when craig says
2:37:14 uh it can either be through design
2:37:16 or it can be through a necessity or
2:37:19 design it's it indicates that design and
2:37:21 necessity are two separate things
2:37:24 but it's possible that it can be through
2:37:25 necessity and design at the same time
2:37:27 especially if you consider that the
2:37:29 designer is determining it to be that
2:37:31 like that
2:37:32 so it's necessarily like that if the
2:37:35 determiner even if you consider that the
2:37:37 determiner is an uninterrupted line of
2:37:39 causal events or an antecedent line of
2:37:42 causal chain chain of events
2:37:44 it's it's not a contradiction to have a
2:37:46 necessity
2:37:48 and um
2:37:49 what do you call it
2:37:51 necessity and um
2:37:53 and design so i i feel like that first
2:37:55 of all that's a false trichotomy i would
2:37:57 say it can be
2:37:59 through and chance is something which
2:38:01 doesn't exist actually i would say it's
2:38:03 for for that person to prove what
2:38:05 chances in the first place it's not
2:38:07 something important or microscope
2:38:09 so therefore i i think that you know i
2:38:11 think it's a form of
2:38:13 a hidden cover to give them the three
2:38:15 options
2:38:16 because what do you mean from chance
2:38:17 what this chance i say is impossible
2:38:19 that can come from chance and i say it's
2:38:21 impossible that it can come from uh
2:38:25 my claim is that it's impossible to come
2:38:26 from anything other than
2:38:30 what we've described which is the
2:38:31 necessary existence and that would be
2:38:32 the first i make
2:38:34 you know the whole chance thing um
2:38:38 and this is like for people who are
2:38:39 listening you could use this as a kind
2:38:41 of approach and method for the dower
2:38:44 when they throw the chance
2:38:46 kind of hypothesis or explanation for
2:38:48 these realities
2:38:49 stand back for one moment and accept it
2:38:52 in abstract accept it abstractly and
2:38:54 think okay
2:38:57 what
2:38:58 what is similar so the question we're
2:39:00 asking says about god's existence or
2:39:02 about contingency or whatever you want
2:39:04 to call it
2:39:05 what is similar to this question that
2:39:07 they do not use chance as an explanation
2:39:11 so when you realize there are similar
2:39:13 questions or areas of knowledge they
2:39:15 don't use chance they actually seek a
2:39:17 rational explanation
2:39:19 and yet for this one that's slightly
2:39:21 similar
2:39:22 they use chance this exposes some
2:39:25 uh
2:39:26 preconceived notions about reality
2:39:29 it exposes uh a psychological
2:39:32 perspective on the question or exposes
2:39:34 hidden presuppositions why am i saying
2:39:37 this because it's the art of in
2:39:40 dialogue or discussing with someone when
2:39:42 someone throws an explanation for one
2:39:45 moment look at that explanation and say
2:39:48 they say it's chance they say fine have
2:39:52 they used a similar explanation in this
2:39:54 case chance
2:39:56 to apply to questions that are similar
2:39:58 that we're discussing now if they
2:40:00 haven't then there's a massive
2:40:02 inconsistency can i
2:40:04 ask questions
2:40:09 made a really good point about chance on
2:40:10 the previous seminar we had about
2:40:12 earlier today
2:40:14 and he said something about chance he
2:40:16 said this
2:40:17 and this is quite interesting
2:40:18 the major problem with this possibility
2:40:21 is that it is not remotely clear how
2:40:24 chance can do anything
2:40:26 chance is not metaphysically a thing an
2:40:29 entity it has no being and is not a
2:40:31 cognizing potency or power it is the
2:40:34 term that is inadvertently endowed with
2:40:36 the creative power and efficacy and
2:40:38 efficacy in fact for a chance to be a
2:40:40 candidate of inputting
2:40:42 d and d for him meant prior cognitive
2:40:45 input would be to grant an all per se
2:40:47 pervasive power reserved only for
2:40:50 something that we would describe as
2:40:51 living to do this however is to commit
2:40:54 the fallacy of reification which
2:40:56 consists of attributing concrete
2:40:58 characteristics to something
2:41:00 non-concrete or abstract by arguing that
2:41:03 chance did x created y and selected zed
2:41:07 obscures something deeper taking place
2:41:09 and that is making chance a cause when
2:41:12 it is mere mathematical possibilities in
2:41:14 abstract
2:41:15 in effect to attribute charts as causing
2:41:18 for originating d
2:41:20 is tantamount to saying nothing
2:41:23 originated d
2:41:25 you know that's all that's very powerful
2:41:27 you know why i was thinking very helpful
2:41:28 i was thinking
2:41:30 i was thinking along the same lines you
2:41:32 know
2:41:33 uh you know
2:41:34 is that why it's powerful
2:41:37 but because we were having this
2:41:38 conversation a long time with sabor
2:41:39 actually like i don't know if he
2:41:40 remembers
2:41:42 but we were talking about you know
2:41:43 because evolutionarily they they do the
2:41:45 same kind of thing they talk about pro
2:41:47 uh predictability and stuff and and
2:41:49 possibility
2:41:50 and and
2:41:52 my question is what are they saying the
2:41:53 null hypothesis has and the answer is
2:41:56 zero like they're making a zero in it
2:41:58 so this zero
2:42:00 which is basically like okay let's
2:42:02 assume
2:42:03 that when i say zero i mean
2:42:05 everything is happening haphazardly this
2:42:07 is the idea so let's assume that
2:42:09 everything is happening without reason
2:42:11 that assumption needs to be justified in
2:42:12 and of itself
2:42:14 because why are you saying the null
2:42:15 hypothesis on zero why are you why are
2:42:17 you making it zero
2:42:19 you have no right to make that the case
2:42:21 you that's that is a
2:42:23 postulation that requires justification
2:42:26 and they've just they've thrown it in
2:42:28 there so when we say that oh it's chance
2:42:30 what do you mean by that you're saying
2:42:31 that let's set the null hypothesis on
2:42:33 zero like if we're talking about because
2:42:35 in mathematics they've got total
2:42:37 probability and they've got like base
2:42:39 theory and stuff like that all right
2:42:40 with total probability what we're
2:42:41 talking about i would talk about
2:42:44 statistical probably
2:42:45 or for example if i say to you that
2:42:47 twenty percent of or fifty percent of
2:42:49 the public is likely to smoke cigarettes
2:42:52 what am i saying that 50 percent of the
2:42:53 public does smoke cigarettes in other
2:42:55 words i look at the demographics and see
2:42:57 how many people smoke cigarettes
2:42:58 therefore there's 50 percent of the
2:43:00 population is likely to smoke cigarettes
2:43:02 is based on the fact of the matter
2:43:05 rather than what happen of a prediction
2:43:08 so it's it would be arguing in a circle
2:43:10 almost if you try to use a factor of a
2:43:12 matter to prove a fact of amount
2:43:15 so in other words
2:43:16 uh if you want to use total probability
2:43:18 or statistical probability
2:43:20 and to er and say
2:43:22 that uh
2:43:24 well you know
2:43:25 there's such a thing now as zero as
2:43:28 being
2:43:28 as zero
2:43:30 as legitimately you put in as the null
2:43:32 hypothesis
2:43:33 that to me would suggest
2:43:35 as the doctor said chowdhury uh
2:43:39 he mentioned is now is is to give almost
2:43:42 agency to this haphazardness
2:43:45 which makes no sense to me at all so the
2:43:47 idea of chance being an option
2:43:49 i resist that i i feel like that's it
2:43:52 should be resisted because it's not
2:43:53 justified
2:43:54 chance is their substitute of god that's
2:43:56 their god basically when they say
2:43:58 all i'm hearing is that now you've just
2:44:00 replaced the name of god with this word
2:44:02 chance
2:44:03 but you have nothing you have nothing
2:44:05 substantive to offer but you're
2:44:07 basically saying that there is no i'm
2:44:10 looking for an explanation but there is
2:44:12 no explanation that's what they're
2:44:13 basically saying
2:44:14 why is this
2:44:16 in the first place so what we're talking
2:44:18 about you talk about the universe why is
2:44:19 there a universe and there's like why is
2:44:21 there a universe in the first place you
2:44:23 can't say it came from chance
2:44:25 so that cha cha chance is not a good
2:44:27 explanation for explaining the it's not
2:44:29 even an it's not even a possible
2:44:31 explanation
2:44:32 for learning right
2:44:34 or nothing but yet we're using the same
2:44:36 chance to try and explain why the
2:44:37 universe is one
2:44:39 is the way it is that it allows life to
2:44:41 but with a design argument just going a
2:44:43 little bit of a tangent
2:44:44 they were the ones who are proponents of
2:44:47 the design argument they would say
2:44:49 that that they're using an epistemic
2:44:51 probability
2:44:52 that a systemic probability that is far
2:44:55 more likely that there was a designer
2:44:57 and they would say this is not an
2:44:59 empirical argument they would actually
2:45:00 say it's a metaphysical thesis by the
2:45:02 way
2:45:02 so uh sheffield just to
2:45:05 talk about your point there are some
2:45:07 conceptions of the design argument that
2:45:10 are yes empirically driven but it's
2:45:12 actually a metaphysical argument they
2:45:15 say
2:45:17 they say design is a metaphysical thesis
2:45:21 just you just on that point
2:45:23 is a metaphysical but isn't there design
2:45:27 design the main reason why they make the
2:45:29 inference unto god so basically that's
2:45:32 one of the
2:45:33 one of the objection on on them
2:45:36 yeah
2:45:37 but yeah
2:45:38 anyways
2:45:39 i'm going to take a jazz
2:45:51 in a few words if you can give
2:45:53 this student who's got love giver and a
2:45:56 lot of
2:45:57 few words in the see that i'm going
2:46:00 no no
2:46:01 no
2:46:03 no
2:46:05 it's for all of the muslims in hadith so
2:46:08 you can't reject now you have to give me
2:46:09 a seer then i'm off insha'allah
2:46:12 yes
2:46:18 i think i think it was uh one of my
2:46:20 beloved
2:46:21 scholars
2:46:22 his name was sheikh hassan
2:46:24 he once said about reminding
2:46:27 reminding each other about our sins
2:46:30 um and i think that's extremely
2:46:32 important
2:46:33 because you know
2:46:35 i think it was hassan al-basri one of
2:46:36 the famous scholars of islam he was
2:46:38 asked about humility
2:46:40 and he said humility is to walk outside
2:46:42 your house and to believe that every
2:46:44 muslim is better than you
2:46:45 until you go back
2:46:48 which is quite interesting he mentioned
2:46:50 house because you may assume that you
2:46:52 you're not going to think that your wife
2:46:54 is better than you
2:46:56 because you only think when you walk out
2:46:57 the side of the house but when you come
2:46:59 back in you're still better
2:47:01 i'm going to tell you just just just
2:47:03 suggest that final point you know what
2:47:04 about my teachers he said the class
2:47:07 obviously this is not written in hadith
2:47:08 or quran but
2:47:09 just
2:47:10 his personal experience he says if on a
2:47:12 daily basis if you look at those people
2:47:14 who you look down on
2:47:16 and you say to yourself that these guys
2:47:18 are better than me
2:47:19 inshallah allah will save you from any
2:47:22 mental health issues anxiety and you
2:47:25 know depression and you'll have a good
2:47:26 mind
2:47:29 inshallah it works i've tried it
2:47:31 you know
2:47:32 it did work for me even though it didn't
2:47:34 last long because
2:47:35 i was thinking about this today or
2:47:37 yesterday actually something very
2:47:38 similar and i was just thinking about
2:47:40 something i was like look
2:47:42 uh you need to sometimes you have to
2:47:44 seek and find ways
2:47:46 to
2:47:48 realistically and rationally justify
2:47:50 that other muslims are better than you
2:47:52 not in a way to bring yourself down
2:47:55 but in a way just to
2:47:56 focus on yourself
2:47:58 and then once you do that you be a
2:48:00 shining example for others but in a
2:48:02 natural way in a non-egotistical way so
2:48:05 sometimes you know when i think you know
2:48:06 uh you know sometimes shaytaan whis
2:48:08 whispers to you then you go develop
2:48:10 strategies and you're like well this guy
2:48:12 knows more hadith than you who knows
2:48:14 more quran than you so by virtue of that
2:48:16 you're nothing so you need to find
2:48:18 strategies or you need to think about oh
2:48:20 you know i've i've made i've done a lot
2:48:22 of sins but you have to do it in a way
2:48:24 that doesn't deliberate you because
2:48:26 there is the other extreme where you
2:48:27 start basically thinking that you're not
2:48:30 worthy of anything and then you start
2:48:31 despairing of the mercy of allah which
2:48:33 is a terrible thing to do
2:48:41 there's that
2:48:42 allah
2:49:17 [Music]
2:49:22 is
2:49:35 foreign
2:49:40 you know you know on the other hand
2:49:41 though can i say something as well
2:49:42 because i've been thinking about this
2:49:44 yeah
2:49:44 a lot of people are jealous people
2:49:47 and uh
2:49:49 jealousy is a dangerous game especially
2:49:50 if you play with me all right
2:49:53 a lot of people are jealous of people
2:49:55 here
2:49:56 and um
2:49:59 those people i feel like they need to
2:50:00 because i was thinking about like on a
2:50:02 spiritual and also psycho spiritual
2:50:04 perspective yeah i'm not like testing a
2:50:06 guy i'm not really that good like that
2:50:09 but
2:50:11 um
2:50:12 i was gonna say is that you have to look
2:50:14 at your temperament this is a very
2:50:15 important thing
2:50:16 some people have a temperament
2:50:18 to jealousy they're a jealous type
2:50:20 you're so you're looking at everyone
2:50:21 thinking subhanallah he's got this he's
2:50:23 got that he's got this he's better than
2:50:25 me in these ways or she's better than me
2:50:27 i wish i had what they have i wish i had
2:50:29 that and they keep burning themselves by
2:50:31 doing that right
2:50:32 those people actually need to do the
2:50:34 opposite of what we've just discussed
2:50:37 they need to see what allah has given
2:50:38 them
2:50:40 because if they don't do that they'll
2:50:41 become more and more jealous and they'll
2:50:42 eat up on that it'll eat them up
2:50:45 so in many ways you need to you kind of
2:50:47 need to assess your own
2:50:49 psychological temperament and there are
2:50:51 ways now like for example there's an
2:50:52 enneagram test which i found quite
2:50:54 useful it's called truity
2:50:56 it's quite good you know
2:50:58 you can see what kind of like your
2:50:59 strengths and your weaknesses are and
2:51:00 you need to see where you are on the
2:51:01 spectrum if you are someone who's
2:51:04 extroverted
2:51:06 who's um all of these things you need to
2:51:08 employ a lot more of the advice that
2:51:10 of of like looking at other people
2:51:12 seeing how they're better than you etc
2:51:15 and humbling yourself but if you're a
2:51:17 person who's let's say on the other side
2:51:19 of the psychological spectrum where
2:51:21 you're always looking at comparing
2:51:23 yourself with other people and you're
2:51:25 always thinking oh look
2:51:26 i wish i had that i wish i had kids i
2:51:28 wish i was married to that person i wish
2:51:30 i wish i wish i wish why does he get to
2:51:32 have it why does she get to have it then
2:51:34 actually the opposite and you need to do
2:51:36 the opposite
2:51:38 of
2:51:39 that's where that comes in so that you
2:51:41 come in with actually let me let me
2:51:42 count my blessings i've got this he
2:51:45 might have this but i have this he might
2:51:46 have this but i have this she might have
2:51:48 this but i have this so when you start
2:51:50 realizing that
2:51:51 because what it is is if you keep saying
2:51:52 well he's better than he or she's
2:51:53 bioketa
2:51:54 that's important for people like me who
2:51:57 are extroverted and
2:51:58 they need to humble themselves but some
2:52:00 people are so timid and placid
2:52:03 and so uh self flagrating you know in
2:52:05 their lives and personal and
2:52:07 psychological lives that they need
2:52:09 literally the opposite and so there is a
2:52:11 middle ground somewhere where someone is
2:52:14 recognizing the abilities and the
2:52:15 strengths of others
2:52:17 and making uh being grateful for their
2:52:20 own what allah has given them
2:52:21 but at the same time not putting
2:52:23 themselves down to a very low level
2:52:25 but that middle ground is different for
2:52:27 each person
2:52:29 so for me someone like me because the
2:52:31 the the temperament i'm i try and be as
2:52:33 self-aware as possible and realize that
2:52:34 my temperament is more on the
2:52:35 extroverted side
2:52:37 i need to do more of what we would refer
2:52:39 to as
2:52:41 or lowering my ego lowering myself
2:52:43 thinking this person's so much better in
2:52:44 these ways whatever but other people who
2:52:47 have a different kind of temperament
2:52:49 where they're
2:52:50 where they're always doing that and
2:52:51 they're super jealous that they cannot
2:52:53 live a life and then because super
2:52:55 general generally used to deny
2:52:58 at least
2:52:59 because it's exactly what shaytaan
2:53:01 it says
2:53:08 you know he created me and then like it
2:53:10 can blow up it can
2:53:12 why is it that why why why and then you
2:53:14 start rejecting the color of allah or
2:53:16 why is it that i can't have kids but my
2:53:18 friends can why is it that you know
2:53:20 she's married and i'm not why is it that
2:53:22 i'm married and he's she's my he's
2:53:23 married and i'm not why is it that he's
2:53:25 got money and and i don't you know and
2:53:28 whatever it is yeah
2:53:31 so so
2:53:32 you need to see what
2:53:35 i was going to say
2:53:36 a lot
2:53:46 i believe everyone's kind of
2:53:49 a prescription
2:53:51 like they would see the person's
2:53:53 psychological disposition and give them
2:53:55 what they need so it's not always
2:53:57 one rule for all for sure absolutely
2:54:00 um and we even see this in the hadith
2:54:02 literature and we see this in basically
2:54:05 the way that you know like even
2:54:07 al-ghazali the way he dealt with
2:54:09 and dealt with philosophy and you know
2:54:12 for some people he said you can't give
2:54:13 people
2:54:15 it's gonna be poison for them right
2:54:17 something like that you give them if
2:54:18 he's psychologically oriented given most
2:54:20 psychological existential perspectives
2:54:22 so yeah you're right even from a tesco
2:54:24 tournaus perspective
2:54:25 uh it's uh it's it's horses for courses
2:54:29 like you have to be very specific
2:54:30 because you have to know who that person
2:54:32 is what the variable are variable
2:54:34 variables are and give them the right uh
2:54:37 medicine and it's even with leadership
2:54:38 when you're dealing with individuals
2:54:40 that you have to deal with them in a way
2:54:42 that's more conducive to their
2:54:44 development and growth
2:54:46 and that i think makes leadership
2:54:48 extremely hard and draining
2:54:50 but if you're sensitive to them you you
2:54:52 have to you just have to do it uh
2:54:54 you know
2:54:56 what i mean
2:54:58 well yeah so maybe
2:55:00 has something to say on this i would
2:55:01 like him to say something on this
2:55:03 actually
2:55:04 um
2:55:05 but i just wanted to come back
2:55:06 guys
2:55:10 but thank you so much for everyone yeah
2:55:12 i'll be late to everyone
2:55:22 i just wanted to add some can you hear
2:55:24 me
2:55:25 yeah
2:55:26 so there is a psychological part of it
2:55:29 which
2:55:32 hijab mentioned
2:55:34 and
2:55:35 about
2:55:36 pondering about
2:55:38 the bounties that allah has blessed you
2:55:40 with but is also there is the spiritual
2:55:44 part of it that
2:55:45 when you are aware that you feel like
2:55:48 jealousy and you actually want to
2:55:50 have the cure from allah and is that if
2:55:53 you are just
2:55:55 from someone
2:55:56 is actually to make dua for them to
2:55:58 swallow increases with uh them
2:56:01 in the nyama so
2:56:03 making that step which at the beginning
2:56:05 will not come out from your heart but
2:56:08 because of you doing that step and
2:56:10 actually
2:56:11 showing really that you want to be cured
2:56:13 from that allah slowly slowly cures your
2:56:16 heart from it
2:56:21 yes
2:56:22 that's actually true and that that works
2:56:24 by the way
2:56:25 it works even if you don't feel it in
2:56:28 the beginning
2:56:29 and even if you're going to sajdah and
2:56:30 you like say oh allah make this person
2:56:33 better let me make them the best day in
2:56:35 the world or you know you just
2:56:38 you just
2:56:39 the more you do it the more it would
2:56:40 happen and it and these things work uh
2:56:43 you know when it comes to these
2:56:44 spiritual things don't try to
2:56:46 rationalize them because you don't know
2:56:47 the causes and effects it's not it's not
2:56:49 a mechanical thing this is you know
2:56:51 based on the hedai or
2:56:55 his guidance right
2:56:56 and his revelation and you know the
2:56:59 teachings of our pious spiritual masters
2:57:01 so we have to
2:57:03 look and it's been tried and tested for
2:57:04 over a thousand years right
2:57:06 so um and when you do it and it's
2:57:09 experiential you only understand it
2:57:11 works when you do it
2:57:13 so if you feel a bit of maybe unhealthy
2:57:16 blameworthy competition or a bit of
2:57:19 jealousy
2:57:21 go in sajdah and make dua for them that
2:57:24 they become better than you they become
2:57:25 successful and all of these things and
2:57:28 i'm telling you over time you will free
2:57:30 yourself from these spiritual elements
2:57:34 listen
2:57:45 for two hours because i got a seven and
2:57:47 a half hour drive tomorrow well i'll
2:57:49 make it easy for you to wake up for your
2:57:50 hard work guys please take
2:57:53 if you're still around through it's the
2:57:54 if you two are still here still around
2:57:56 take some more questions
2:57:57 uh and then i'm i'm
2:57:59 ready an hour ago
2:58:16 do you want to give your last words
2:58:17 first and then i'll follow up after you
2:58:18 and we'll close up in charlotte yes uh
2:58:21 like for those who are talking about
2:58:24 about dawah and and want to learn
2:58:27 uh those skills to track and do not
2:58:30 forget that it is not just about
2:58:32 knowledge it's about having the
2:58:34 qualities that i need to have
2:58:37 and
2:58:38 many times we focus so much on
2:58:40 on
2:58:41 which was
2:58:43 we should
2:58:45 convey
2:58:46 to a person to change their heart but
2:58:48 actually sometimes
2:58:49 our actions talk even louder so don't do
2:58:52 not forget the spiritual side of it and
2:58:55 insha allah
2:58:57 with
2:58:58 if you keep up working on your
2:58:59 spirituality uh with very little water
2:59:02 inshallah you will have a lot of effect
2:59:04 on people insha'allah
2:59:06 inshallah yeah definitely and it's a lot
2:59:09 of the time you've got to talk make it
2:59:10 analogous like when you're doing dawah
2:59:12 and you're calling people
2:59:14 um you've got to remember that you're
2:59:16 effectively you're inviting them into
2:59:18 your house
2:59:19 and you know just in the same way if you
2:59:21 were stood outside your doorstep
2:59:22 screaming and shouting at people and
2:59:24 telling them they're stupid and this and
2:59:26 the other
2:59:27 and then invite them in for a brew
2:59:28 they're not very likely to say yes
2:59:30 and um you know we need to think of it
2:59:32 in this way when we're calling people to
2:59:33 islam we need to do so with
2:59:35 good adult good etiquettes and you know
2:59:37 you've got to be reflective
2:59:39 upon yourself and
2:59:41 um not just absorbed in your experiences
2:59:44 with other people but allow yourself to
2:59:46 sort of
2:59:47 uh keep an eye on yourself so to speak
2:59:50 while you're engaging in that so it's
2:59:51 definitely important and um just to plug
2:59:53 lighthouse project one more time um
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2:59:59 brother muhammad hijab was making
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